Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 Ashtakvarga: a few questions Ashtakvarga , as we are all aware, is a method of calculating the relative strength/weaknesses of the grahas, particularly of use while evaluating transits and is of help in timing events. However, it is not used commonly. It says that a total of 337 benefic points are distributed by the seven planets and lagna. Of these, Jupiter distributes the maximum 56 points in its own bhinna ashtakvarga chart, Mercury 54, Venus 52, Moon and Lagna 49 points each; the Sun 48 points and Saturn and Mars 39 points each in their own BAV thus giving a total of 337 benefic points. If we look at the other matrix though that is how many benefic points a particular graha distributes to the other grahas BAV , a different picture emerges: The most benefic Jupiter is contributing the least a total of 36 benefic points to all the BAVs, including 8 to its own BAV. Moon, another benefic distributes similarly 36 points; while the most malefic Mars contributes the maximum 49 points. Why ??? Regards rishi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 Rishi, Parashara did say that ashtakavarga is a technique specifically aimed at being useful in kaliyuga. From what I have heard, malefics have more potential for growth in a positive direction in Kaliyuga. Unless that happens, the stage would not be set for Satayuga to step in. RR , rishi shukla <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Ashtakvarga: a few questions > > Ashtakvarga , as we are all aware, is a method of > calculating the relative strength/weaknesses of the > grahas, particularly of use while evaluating transits > and is of help in timing events. However, it is not > used commonly. > It says that a total of 337 benefic points are > distributed by the seven planets and lagna. Of these, > Jupiter distributes the maximum 56 points in its own > bhinna ashtakvarga chart, Mercury 54, Venus 52, Moon > and Lagna 49 points each; the Sun 48 points and Saturn > and Mars 39 points each in their own BAV thus giving a > total of 337 benefic points. > If we look at the other matrix though that is how many > benefic points a particular graha distributes to the > other grahas BAV , a different picture emerges: > The most benefic Jupiter is contributing the least a > total of 36 benefic points to all the BAVs, including > 8 to its own BAV. > Moon, another benefic distributes similarly 36 points; > while the most malefic Mars contributes the maximum > 49 points. > Why ??? > Regards > rishi > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 RRji, I think Parasara was commenting more on the limited abilities of us kalyugin jyotishis and thought that we should be given clear cut solutions in mathematical formats rather than the broad vision of a fluid dynamic harmony between various grahas. So this precise mathematical model which explains the instantaneous dynamics of the symmetry or balance between the grahas at any given point of time. Of course, its focus is primarily on the upachaya houses, suggesting that karmas being done and to be done can make or mar destiny. Yes , malefics do indeed determine the patterns of life more categorically. Maybe Mars is the reflection of kaliyuga Thanks for the response. regards rishi --- crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: > Rishi, > > Parashara did say that ashtakavarga is a technique > specifically aimed > at being useful in kaliyuga. From what I have heard, > malefics have > more potential for growth in a positive direction in > Kaliyuga. Unless > that happens, the stage would not be set for > Satayuga to step in. > > RR > > , rishi > shukla > <rishi_2000in wrote: > > > > Ashtakvarga: a few questions > > > > Ashtakvarga , as we are all aware, is a method of > > calculating the relative strength/weaknesses of > the > > grahas, particularly of use while evaluating > transits > > and is of help in timing events. However, it is > not > > used commonly. > > It says that a total of 337 benefic points are > > distributed by the seven planets and lagna. Of > these, > > Jupiter distributes the maximum 56 points in its > own > > bhinna ashtakvarga chart, Mercury 54, Venus 52, > Moon > > and Lagna 49 points each; the Sun 48 points and > Saturn > > and Mars 39 points each in their own BAV thus > giving a > > total of 337 benefic points. > > If we look at the other matrix though that is how > many > > benefic points a particular graha distributes to > the > > other grahas BAV , a different picture emerges: > > The most benefic Jupiter is contributing the > least a > > total of 36 benefic points to all the BAVs, > including > > 8 to its own BAV. > > Moon, another benefic distributes similarly 36 > points; > > while the most malefic Mars contributes the > maximum > > 49 points. > > Why ??? > > Regards > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 Rishi, With all due respects to Parashara and his opinions about modern jyotishis -- I do not see Ashtakavarga as necessarily a simpler system than much of the rest of jyotish. Quite frankly, nearly nothing in the body of jyotish is something that cannot be understood rather easily by any well-educated modern mind. There are far more difficult subjects very well handled by Kaliyugi individuals so why would jyotish be given such a high place and be called intellectually-demanding? What makes jyotish difficult is the missing information and what used to be the information-hoarding mentality of some ancient silos of information. The same story of human greed, of course! RR , rishi shukla <rishi_2000in wrote: > > RRji, > I think Parasara was commenting more on the limited > abilities of us kalyugin jyotishis and thought that we > should be given clear cut solutions in mathematical > formats rather than the broad vision of a fluid > dynamic harmony between various grahas. > So this precise mathematical model which explains the > instantaneous dynamics of the symmetry or balance > between the grahas at any given point of time. > Of course, its focus is primarily on the upachaya > houses, suggesting that karmas being done and to be > done can make or mar destiny. > Yes , malefics do indeed determine the patterns of > life more categorically. > Maybe Mars is the reflection of kaliyuga > Thanks for the response. > regards > > rishi > --- crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > Rishi, > > > > Parashara did say that ashtakavarga is a technique > > specifically aimed > > at being useful in kaliyuga. From what I have heard, > > malefics have > > more potential for growth in a positive direction in > > Kaliyuga. Unless > > that happens, the stage would not be set for > > Satayuga to step in. > > > > RR > > > > , rishi > > shukla > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > Ashtakvarga: a few questions > > > > > > Ashtakvarga , as we are all aware, is a method of > > > calculating the relative strength/weaknesses of > > the > > > grahas, particularly of use while evaluating > > transits > > > and is of help in timing events. However, it is > > not > > > used commonly. > > > It says that a total of 337 benefic points are > > > distributed by the seven planets and lagna. Of > > these, > > > Jupiter distributes the maximum 56 points in its > > own > > > bhinna ashtakvarga chart, Mercury 54, Venus 52, > > Moon > > > and Lagna 49 points each; the Sun 48 points and > > Saturn > > > and Mars 39 points each in their own BAV thus > > giving a > > > total of 337 benefic points. > > > If we look at the other matrix though that is how > > many > > > benefic points a particular graha distributes to > > the > > > other grahas BAV , a different picture emerges: > > > The most benefic Jupiter is contributing the > > least a > > > total of 36 benefic points to all the BAVs, > > including > > > 8 to its own BAV. > > > Moon, another benefic distributes similarly 36 > > points; > > > while the most malefic Mars contributes the > > maximum > > > 49 points. > > > Why ??? > > > Regards > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 Dear Sir, For seers and sages jyotish is not Ganit.hence their efforts to get formula based never stood to the logic of times. we need to understand houses,natal position of planets and planets as they transit strengthen or weaken the houses.This goes on endless as the development unfolds. As the gochara of planets takes places various plantes with reference to natal positions of planets get energised.Of the scheme of things undoubtedly kendras and including 5 and 9 (trikonas) and rest of the houses get more strength to ensure the native better things in life. In the scheme of ashtaka varga all planets including including three lagnas get more benific points(145 bindus) compared to all other houses.Then if we consider malefics like mars and saturn together39+39=78 and find agianst benifics like jupiter,-56 mercury54,venus52=162.Visionaries undoubtedly strengthen lagna by 97 bindus mars energy planet and saturn as passive palnets have naturally less to influnce the natal chart As we know in the total of 337 points all the seven planets also contribute 48 bindus to lagna.in effect the total strength of sevenplants contributed to eleven house would be 289..Two of the visionaries would be 97.Remaining 9 houses get strength of 182 bindus.After all in the scheme of things dasa too plays a major role for timing of events. Issues are therfore clear.malefic planets by nisargic way have less say to harm the native than all other planets whcih become malefic by position.The native therfore has been assured of prosperity and development to lead the life. The inventors of the system and the founders of jyotish have many things in their mind than what we could easily understand and perceive krishnan rishi shukla <rishi_2000in wrote: RRji, I think Parasara was commenting more on the limited abilities of us kalyugin jyotishis and thought that we should be given clear cut solutions in mathematical formats rather than the broad vision of a fluid dynamic harmony between various grahas. So this precise mathematical model which explains the instantaneous dynamics of the symmetry or balance between the grahas at any given point of time. Of course, its focus is primarily on the upachaya houses, suggesting that karmas being done and to be done can make or mar destiny. Yes , malefics do indeed determine the patterns of life more categorically. Maybe Mars is the reflection of kaliyuga Thanks for the response. regards rishi --- crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: > Rishi, > > Parashara did say that ashtakavarga is a technique > specifically aimed > at being useful in kaliyuga. From what I have heard, > malefics have > more potential for growth in a positive direction in > Kaliyuga. Unless > that happens, the stage would not be set for > Satayuga to step in. > > RR > > , rishi > shukla > <rishi_2000in wrote: > > > > Ashtakvarga: a few questions > > > > Ashtakvarga , as we are all aware, is a method of > > calculating the relative strength/weaknesses of > the > > grahas, particularly of use while evaluating > transits > > and is of help in timing events. However, it is > not > > used commonly. > > It says that a total of 337 benefic points are > > distributed by the seven planets and lagna. Of > these, > > Jupiter distributes the maximum 56 points in its > own > > bhinna ashtakvarga chart, Mercury 54, Venus 52, > Moon > > and Lagna 49 points each; the Sun 48 points and > Saturn > > and Mars 39 points each in their own BAV thus > giving a > > total of 337 benefic points. > > If we look at the other matrix though that is how > many > > benefic points a particular graha distributes to > the > > other grahas BAV , a different picture emerges: > > The most benefic Jupiter is contributing the > least a > > total of 36 benefic points to all the BAVs, > including > > 8 to its own BAV. > > Moon, another benefic distributes similarly 36 > points; > > while the most malefic Mars contributes the > maximum > > 49 points. > > Why ??? > > Regards > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "" on the web. Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Messenger with Voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 Krishnanji, The focus of ashtakvarga is definitely not on the kendra and trikona but on the upachaya houses. This is the first basic departure from the other aspects of jyotisha. In fact, every planet in all each bhinnaashtakvarga contributes a point to eleventh from itself. If you take a 8*8 matrix, the 11th gets 61/64 points; if you take a 7*8 matrix you still end up with 54/56 points. Similarly the 3th, 6th get more points. Infact out of a total of 337 points as many as 153points are taken away by these four houses. Therefore, it is beyond my limited understanding capability and hence the questions.... regards rishi -- In , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Sir, > For seers and sages jyotish is not Ganit.hence their efforts to get formula based never stood to the logic of times. > we need to understand houses,natal position of planets and planets as they transit strengthen or weaken the houses.This goes on endless as the development unfolds. > > As the gochara of planets takes places various plantes with reference to natal positions of planets get energised.Of the scheme of things undoubtedly kendras and including 5 and 9 (trikonas) and rest of the houses get more strength to ensure the native better things in life. > In the scheme of ashtaka varga all planets including including three lagnas get more benific points(145 bindus) compared to all other houses.Then if we consider malefics like mars and saturn together39+39=78 and find agianst benifics like jupiter,-56 mercury54,venus52=162.Visionaries undoubtedly strengthen lagna by 97 bindus > mars energy planet and saturn as passive palnets have naturally less to influnce the natal chart > As we know in the total of 337 points all the seven planets also contribute 48 bindus to lagna.in effect the total strength of sevenplants contributed to eleven house would be 289..Two of the visionaries would be 97.Remaining 9 houses get strength of 182 bindus.After all in the scheme of things dasa too plays a major role for timing of events. > Issues are therfore clear.malefic planets by nisargic way have less say to harm the native than all other planets whcih become malefic by position.The native therfore has been assured of prosperity and development to lead the life. > The inventors of the system and the founders of jyotish have many things in their mind than what we could easily understand and perceive > krishnan > > rishi shukla <rishi_2000in wrote: > RRji, > I think Parasara was commenting more on the limited > abilities of us kalyugin jyotishis and thought that we > should be given clear cut solutions in mathematical > formats rather than the broad vision of a fluid > dynamic harmony between various grahas. > So this precise mathematical model which explains the > instantaneous dynamics of the symmetry or balance > between the grahas at any given point of time. > Of course, its focus is primarily on the upachaya > houses, suggesting that karmas being done and to be > done can make or mar destiny. > Yes , malefics do indeed determine the patterns of > life more categorically. > Maybe Mars is the reflection of kaliyuga > Thanks for the response. > regards > > rishi > --- crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > Rishi, > > > > Parashara did say that ashtakavarga is a technique > > specifically aimed > > at being useful in kaliyuga. From what I have heard, > > malefics have > > more potential for growth in a positive direction in > > Kaliyuga. Unless > > that happens, the stage would not be set for > > Satayuga to step in. > > > > RR > > > > , rishi > > shukla > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > Ashtakvarga: a few questions > > > > > > Ashtakvarga , as we are all aware, is a method of > > > calculating the relative strength/weaknesses of > > the > > > grahas, particularly of use while evaluating > > transits > > > and is of help in timing events. However, it is > > not > > > used commonly. > > > It says that a total of 337 benefic points are > > > distributed by the seven planets and lagna. Of > > these, > > > Jupiter distributes the maximum 56 points in its > > own > > > bhinna ashtakvarga chart, Mercury 54, Venus 52, > > Moon > > > and Lagna 49 points each; the Sun 48 points and > > Saturn > > > and Mars 39 points each in their own BAV thus > > giving a > > > total of 337 benefic points. > > > If we look at the other matrix though that is how > > many > > > benefic points a particular graha distributes to > > the > > > other grahas BAV , a different picture emerges: > > > The most benefic Jupiter is contributing the > > least a > > > total of 36 benefic points to all the BAVs, > > including > > > 8 to its own BAV. > > > Moon, another benefic distributes similarly 36 > > points; > > > while the most malefic Mars contributes the > > maximum > > > 49 points. > > > Why ??? > > > Regards > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Rishi, You are right and if one examines, planets generally give the most points in the 11th (plus other upachayas). If a number of planets are in a given house, the 11th therefrom generally turns out to be the one with the most points. I have uploaded a chapter yesterday where I give slightly more details. If we consider the way the yugas have been described, as I am sure none of us have experienced them all and came back with memories intact ;-) Kaliyuga seems to be the yuga where the maximum potential for growth is there, other yugas happening when growth has already asymptoted. So, to me it makes perfect sense that upachayas, the houses of growth are given prominence in a system tailor-made for Kaliyuga. RR , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Krishnanji, > The focus of ashtakvarga is definitely not on the kendra and trikona > but on the upachaya houses. This is the first basic departure from > the other aspects of jyotisha. > In fact, every planet in all each bhinnaashtakvarga contributes a > point to eleventh from itself. If you take a 8*8 matrix, the 11th > gets 61/64 points; if you take a 7*8 matrix you still end up with > 54/56 points. Similarly the 3th, 6th get more points. Infact out of a > total of 337 points as many as 153points are taken away by these four > houses. > Therefore, it is beyond my limited understanding capability and hence > the questions.... > regards > rishi > > -- In , vattem krishnan > <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > For seers and sages jyotish is not Ganit.hence their efforts to > get formula based never stood to the logic of times. > > we need to understand houses,natal position of planets and > planets as they transit strengthen or weaken the houses.This goes on > endless as the development unfolds. > > > > As the gochara of planets takes places various plantes with > reference to natal positions of planets get energised.Of the scheme > of things undoubtedly kendras and including 5 and 9 (trikonas) and > rest of the houses get more strength to ensure the native better > things in life. > > In the scheme of ashtaka varga all planets including including > three lagnas get more benific points(145 bindus) compared to all > other houses.Then if we consider malefics like mars and saturn > together39+39=78 and find agianst benifics like jupiter,-56 > mercury54,venus52=162.Visionaries undoubtedly strengthen lagna by 97 > bindus > > mars energy planet and saturn as passive palnets have naturally > less to influnce the natal chart > > As we know in the total of 337 points all the seven planets also > contribute 48 bindus to lagna.in effect the total strength of > sevenplants contributed to eleven house would be 289..Two of the > visionaries would be 97.Remaining 9 houses get strength of 182 > bindus.After all in the scheme of things dasa too plays a major role > for timing of events. > > Issues are therfore clear.malefic planets by nisargic way have > less say to harm the native than all other planets whcih become > malefic by position.The native therfore has been assured of > prosperity and development to lead the life. > > The inventors of the system and the founders of jyotish have many > things in their mind than what we could easily understand and perceive > > krishnan > > > > rishi shukla <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > RRji, > > I think Parasara was commenting more on the limited > > abilities of us kalyugin jyotishis and thought that we > > should be given clear cut solutions in mathematical > > formats rather than the broad vision of a fluid > > dynamic harmony between various grahas. > > So this precise mathematical model which explains the > > instantaneous dynamics of the symmetry or balance > > between the grahas at any given point of time. > > Of course, its focus is primarily on the upachaya > > houses, suggesting that karmas being done and to be > > done can make or mar destiny. > > Yes , malefics do indeed determine the patterns of > > life more categorically. > > Maybe Mars is the reflection of kaliyuga > > Thanks for the response. > > regards > > > > rishi > > --- crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > Rishi, > > > > > > Parashara did say that ashtakavarga is a technique > > > specifically aimed > > > at being useful in kaliyuga. From what I have heard, > > > malefics have > > > more potential for growth in a positive direction in > > > Kaliyuga. Unless > > > that happens, the stage would not be set for > > > Satayuga to step in. > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , rishi > > > shukla > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Ashtakvarga: a few questions > > > > > > > > Ashtakvarga , as we are all aware, is a method of > > > > calculating the relative strength/weaknesses of > > > the > > > > grahas, particularly of use while evaluating > > > transits > > > > and is of help in timing events. However, it is > > > not > > > > used commonly. > > > > It says that a total of 337 benefic points are > > > > distributed by the seven planets and lagna. Of > > > these, > > > > Jupiter distributes the maximum 56 points in its > > > own > > > > bhinna ashtakvarga chart, Mercury 54, Venus 52, > > > Moon > > > > and Lagna 49 points each; the Sun 48 points and > > > Saturn > > > > and Mars 39 points each in their own BAV thus > > > giving a > > > > total of 337 benefic points. > > > > If we look at the other matrix though that is how > > > many > > > > benefic points a particular graha distributes to > > > the > > > > other grahas BAV , a different picture emerges: > > > > The most benefic Jupiter is contributing the > > > least a > > > > total of 36 benefic points to all the BAVs, > > > including > > > > 8 to its own BAV. > > > > Moon, another benefic distributes similarly 36 > > > points; > > > > while the most malefic Mars contributes the > > > maximum > > > > 49 points. > > > > Why ??? > > > > Regards > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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