Sacrifice of Wealth is the only Way 15/4

April 15, 2006

Dear Arjun Ji,

it is a paradoxical that the wealthiest, most currupt, criminal get the best

of almighty. so godmen can also be part of such elite club.

if we come to recent saints like Tyagaraja saying Nidhi chaala sukham

raamunisaNIDHI chala sukhama then and now all who sing these songs are rolling

in money, well for a few years more till classical music is alive.

but of the puranas if we look all the rakshasa got the full grace, boons of

the devathas and one of the trinites gave the boons and another had to

nuteralise it when it went out of control.

IT IS THEY WHO NEED GOD, the normal person is realised enough to see god

within himself and around all living forms. the currupt, cruel ones, god has to

go to them and bring them back to normal path cleanse their sins too

else how can we explain the misery Swami Jayanedra saraswathi is undergoing?

he wasa social reformer went out of the way to slums took part in many hygene,

health programs in slums took religion to the poor masses, built hospitals for

th epoor like his predecessors and also bough sick hospitals for the poor to ad

more beds but as the politician salsow wanted to buy it and make money found

someway of harassing him and the ashram

REASON IS THEY HAVE TAKEN TAINTED MONEY ALL THESE YEARS FROM SICK CURRUPT,

CRIMINAL LOT so the karma sticks onthem too.

probably if they did not lend their pictures on the pamplets the CONMEN used

IN their business and instead asking them to undertake projects with the money

than take it from then and then used it was a sin they too shared.

why the currupt, sinful need god simple!

it is like a sick person getting treated the healthier ones need no doctor,

surgery isn't it.

BUT THIS GOD MEN EXPLOITING innocent belivers is an apparent thing not the

real one they [victimes] might have swindled a lot of people in their past

lives and this godman esp the fraudmen amoung them are just collection agents

of it.

Prashant

panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear sister nalini

as you rightly understood these days wealth is playing a major role for

getting the blessings of godmen.

i know few people in delhi who got the most famous yoga expert on TV to visit

their homes and bless them, of course only after a hefty donation.

i know the industrialist who is a reputed defaulter to the tune of hundreds

of crores, in whose house in delhi the wealthiest baba from andhra pradesh

stays.

similar is the case with most of the godmen. even in various ashrams, where

affluent people throng on a periodical basis to serve their gurujis and do

seva, are indeed enjoying paradise comforts

after donating lakhs of rupees.

few people from USA came to few gurus and lost their entire money and came to

me for rescue.

unfortunately such money spinners have spoilt the very sanctity of the guru

we behold in our system. lo, some godmen have even publicly started telling

their lakhs of disciples to stop worshipping other gods and worship his photo

only.

slowly the land of gods is turning into land of godmen. god realisation is

turning into guru realisation.

i have no personal opinion against any particular godmen as each has his or

her own following of lakhs, millions or crores of disciples across the globe.

however, every one who knows me knows that i speak the truth.

true godmen are those like shirdi saibaba, ramakrishna paramahansa, ramana

maharshi, swami vivekananda etc.

with best wishes and regards

arjun

, "auromirra19"

<nalini2818 wrote:

>

> [Om Namo Narayanaya}

> Sri Krishnan ji,

> As you rightly remarked earlier, rather than forsaking wealth

> altogether it is better to renounce attachement or moha for

wealth.

> When we let go the attachment, then it does not matter whether we

> have crores or tens of rupees. Ultimately it is that what counts,

to

> be not elated when rolling in money and not devastated when it is

> lost. When there is no wealth, all thought is centered on

generating

> it., we do need a base to function, the minimum required to lead a

> life. However much we try to vilify the act of earning/generating

> money, it is the basis of life.We do not live in the bygone eras

> where we could go to forests, retreat and focus on the Supreme.

> When deprived of food, the craving for food is foremost, not

> anything else. Only when that hunger is appeased does one think of

> little else. Here I dont mean, fasting taken up voluntarily.

> When a beggar on the cold streets, in rags and hunger, would

rather

> be given the basic necessities.It is human nature. The

enlightenemnt

> or rather the awakening should come from the inside, rather like

the

> light, Arjunji, mentioned.

> I have noticed even in some ashrams and like places, the most

> affluent among them is accorded celebrity status, has a SAY. So

> even in spiritual places wealth does play its part. Mind you I am

> cautious, not all of them are so. Some of which I know, I am

> speaking about.

> Hence it hardly matters where we are, what we are, if we are truly

> in contact with our own Self,we are in the path of the quest for

> reality that Arjunji mentioned. Whether we are wealthy, with a

> string of letters after our name, it matters not a whiff.

> EGO, so misunderstood a word in the dictionary. We can say Ye-go

and

> let it go. Easier said than done. But to accept having an EGO is

far

> better than not because unless we know that we have it how can we

be

> rid of it. Ego is certainly to be directed and manipulated into

> achieving the spiritual prosperity, but care should be taken to be

> rid of it as soon as the goal is reached. For this ego could also

> assume "spirituality' and is a far dangerous enemy than the our

> regular live-in.

> As long as our eyes are on the"ball", our final goal can be

reached.

> Nalini

> {Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya}

> , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> > I have seen the various views emerging from Shri Rishi

ji,Nalini

> ji and RRJi and was trying to decode the vasanas arising out of

long

> and short memories embeded in the mother board.

> > Sacrifice itself is to rub of something present in all of

us.But

> the two prosperities (material and spirtual) are interlinked and

we

> keep clicking the one for other to undergo experiences in

> reality.The tendency to live in present makes us to remain away

from

> the spirtual progress.

> > Spirtual wealth accumulated and being preserved by one and all

> involves not attaching significance to material wealth.material

> wealth has metric system which probably bothers whether in terms

of

> usage and exploitation.This exploitation takes place constantly to

> satify human needs

> > The resultant insecurity along with concerns for future is the

> real botheration which every one of us involved .But then if we

are

> able to take over a minuete and peer through our inner minds it is

> really gratifying to find that the creator of the universe has

> always supported our actions to get the best and remain

> contended.This(probably a Value based) addition should replace for

> material prosperity.probably the whole issue becomes a tug of war

in

> which we are placed and find that tug of war is won by material

> proserity and it entails recognition by way of status and power.we

> forget in the process and belittle the creator of the

universe.Also

> it has consequent gain/supremacy of the inner ego.

> > Ego needs to be directed and manipulated if we have to asses

the

> value of two different prosperities namely material and spirtual

> progress.and identify which one is most important and essentail to

> us out of these two elements.one that ensures a wonderful future

and

> the other that elates only present .There the swing between gain

and

> loss that goes with material prosperity comes through kama bhava

> > we have initially dharama indicating action/duty,artha that

> comes as an effort and moksha to look forward without fear or

> favour.Lets allow importance all the four to play but decide in

our

> way the best one which undoubtedly spirtual progress.

> > Are these not amounting to the vasanas?

> > krishnan

> >

> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > dear bharath ji

> >

> > your posting is the best by far in this thread on listing out

the

> > real reasons as to why India is still poor on "wealth" parameter.

> >

> > however, spiritual wealth is undescribable and unexplainable

which

> > still lasts with infinite holy people safeguarding this holy

> land.

> > needless to retell the fact that crores of indians sacrificed

> their

> > lives to protect the ram mandir and two of the jyotirlingas

> somnath

> > and varanasi. thanks to iron man sardar patel, somnath is back

to

> > its original place even though the most sacred varanashi

shivling

> > continues to be in the makeshift temple instead of the original

> > temple which is now a mosque adjacent.

> >

> > mathematics is something which is strong in the southern parts

of

> > the country and it is no wonder if, on an average, one member of

> > each family is in a great IT job, in India or abroad. thanks to

> > narayana murthy of infosys, ramalinga raju of satyam and premji

of

> > wipro (besides TCS) India has regained its lost glory as the

> world's

> > # 1 country of IT professionals. slowly this niche speciality

of

> > excellence in IT is exapanding to all service sectors (including

> > astrology!) whereby services sector is contributing maximum to

the

> > GDP and also higher employement.

> >

> > As per Goldman Sacchs report, Brazil, Russia, India and China

> would

> > be the four most superpowers for the future.

> >

> > all the countires who looted material wealth from india are now

> > standing in line to lay all their wealth at India's service

> > professionals and the day is not far when all the wealth is

> returned

> > to india directly or indiretly. FIIs from all countries are

> joining

> > in their mad rush to invest in the Indian stock markets and grab

> > their pie of "india success story".

> >

> > unfortunately there are some perverted people who try to paint

> such

> > great motherland bharatmata and our godesses in nude to earn few

> > dollars but such people are in minority and cannot deface the

> > holiness of our great motherland.

> >

> > in praise of "bharat mata" and with best wishes

> > arjun

> > , "Bharat Hindu

Astrology"

> > <hinduastrology@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaskaar Sri Surya

> > >

> > > If Artha is achieved through Dharma, it is in spirit of Yagna.

> > Sacrifice the

> > > fruit of work is a new interpretation of Gita. What Gita says

is

> > simple -

> > > Accept whatever comes. This is called Prassadha Buddhi. As the

> > result of

> > > actions come from the Lord. This means you will not be sad or

> > joyful by any

> > > result. You will accept the result as Prasada from the Lord.

> This

> > is called

> > > the spirit of Yagna, as you burn your karmas and do not

generate

> > new ones.

> > >

> > > To have wealth through dharma, is a pious goal. The wrong

> attitude

> > towards

> > > wealth is a problem. Wealth attained through adharma is a

> problem.

> > One must

> > > give only that much value to wealth that is required. Not

more,

> > not less.

> > >

> > > If you further think, Raja Janaka did not give away his

kingdom

> > Mithila nor

> > > did Sri Krishna gave up his.

> > >

> > > Now,

> > > Your whole question is based on want for wealth. You are

saying

> > that India

> > > is poor because indians haven't sacrificed the fruits of

> actions.

> > Which

> > > essentially means that you want riches for India. Why do you

> want

> > riches for

> > > India, because by your very definition, India should, then,

> > sacrifice these

> > > riches! Amazing contradiction and yet we have to hear this

> > everyday from

> > > psuedo-spiritualists.

> > >

> > > Furthermore, America, Norway, Switzerland, Germany are all

> > considered rich.

> > > I haven't seen them sacrificing any fruit of the action. So

> kindly

> > listen -

> > > India is poor and slowly coming out of it. India is poor as we

> did

> > not rob

> > > any country of their land nor did we go looting other people

in

> > other

> > > countries. India is poor because we did not kill the native

> > inhabitants of

> > > any new land that they discovered and called it their own

(Like

> > Europeans

> > > have done to Australia, South Africa, South America, North

> > America, and so

> > > on and so forth). India is poor because when its people needed

> to

> > unite

> > > against the invaders like Mughals, Mongols, and the British,

> they

> > were

> > > fighting with their own kind. India is poor because people

like

> > the Queen of

> > > England still has the Kohinoor diamond set in her crown when

she

> > very well

> > > knows that it belongs to India. The same is the story of Hope

> > diamond that

> > > was stolen from a Vishnu Temple. India is poor because we let

> > others come

> > > and convert our beliefs, our culture and our way of thinking

and

> > we are

> > > protecting the same through quotas and what not. Well this is

> > about material

> > > wealth.

> > >

> > > Spiritual wealth is guarded by great saints and mahatmas, who

> are

> > living

> > > proof of the words of the Vedas. We will be truly poor in

every

> > sense, if we

> > > loose that wealth.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> > > On 4/14/06, surya <dattapr2000@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Q) Sacrificing the ambition on the fruit of the work is

> > sufficient.

> > > > It is not necessary to sacrifice the fruit of the work as

per

> > Gita.

> > > > Is it not correct?

> > > >

> > > > A) In the very beginning itself (second Adhyaya) Gita says

> that

> > the

> > > > fruit of the work must be sacrificed (Karmajam Buddhi

Yuktahi

> > Phalam

> > > > Tyaktva Maneeshinah). This means that realized scholars

> sacrifice

> > > > the fruit of the work. Gita keeps sacrifice of the fruit of

> the

> > work

> > > > on the top most level (Dhyanath Karma Phala Tyagah).

According

> to

> > > > Veda sacrifice of fruit of work means sacrifice of money only

> > > > (Dhanena Tyagenaike). Karma Phalam means self-earned money

with

> > > > which the man is more attached. Reason for the inability to

do

> > the

> > > > sacrifice of fruit of work (Karma Phala Tyaga) is the selfish

> > > > ambition for the fruit of the work. Therefore if the selfish

> > > > ambition is removed, the fruit of the work can be easily

> > sacrificed.

> > > >

> > > > It is funny to enjoy the fruit of work and say that he has no

> > > > ambition for the fruit of the work. In such case you must

also

> > enjoy

> > > > the fruit of your sin in the hell i.e., cutting of your

> muscles

> > by

> > > > knife etc., without any selfish ambition.

> > > >

> > > > Saktuprastha was tested in the sacrifice of the fruit of the

> > work,

> > > > which alone can prove the lack of selfish ambition for the

> fruit

> > of

> > > > the work. If one says that he has sacrificed the ambition

for

> the

> > > > fruit of the work and yet, enjoys the fruit of work is

trying

> to

> > > > fool the author of Gita. In turn the Lord will fool him in

the

> > hell.

> > > >

> > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> > > > surya

> > > > www.universal-spirituality.org

> > > >

> > > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Surya ji,

> > > > > is this the concluding part?why sacrifice? why not

> > detachment to

> > > > wealth Earn what you can and live with what ever is in your

> > > > possession and lead a most satwic life if at all any

> sacrifice

> > is

> > > > needed it is only the ego that is to be sacrifice through

> worship

> > > > and self realisation and nothing else

> > > > > krishna

> > > >

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April 15, 2006

The incarnation of GOD concentrates more on rich people, than the

poor people. People are criticizing for this. But remember, that all

the human beings are the children of God. Father concentrates on the

child, who is suffering with cancer. Though cancer is incurable,

still the father attempts to do something for the child. He is more

concerned with that child and pays more attention.

A rich man is a serious case and is very dangerous. He has all the

powers, to do sins and disturb the peace of the world. To keep him

in the right path or at least, to control him temporarily, is very

important for the peace of the world. So the incarnation pays more

attention to him, to save the world.

A poor man cannot disturb the peace of the world, because he has no

power of money, he is always involved in earning his livelihood. So

he is not dangerous. Without knowing this, inner truth, people

criticize God man.

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote:

> Dear Arjun Ji

> it is a paradoxical that the wealthiest, most currupt, criminal

get the best of almighty. so godmen can also be part of such elite

club.

> panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:

dear sister nalini

> as you rightly understood these days wealth is playing a major

role for getting the blessings of godmen.

April 15, 2006

Dear Arjun ji and Nalini ji,

God's incarnation is only to give signal and caution the human beings to

assure He is around.Thogh we are amidst mandirs,Godmen and viewing Ramayana and

mahabharata every day,ghar ghar ka kahani remained very sadly different

we do not see eye to eye among our closest and nearest.

The influence of tamsasic is becoming more and satwic elements is dear and

rare.this also reflects on the ways of society.If in our jyotish system portrays

all visionaries are satwic along with Guru we are influnced to lesser planets

only to find way and means of God and Godmen

Some how I feel we are veering around a matter relating to sacrifice to be

simple honest .Honest so as to endorse our gratitude to the great Almighty who

allows us to coexists with wealth as well as poor people.After all if all that

richness is the brightness and the poor constitute the darkness as God and

Godmen find their existence,service and kindness meant only for handful(media

certainly glorified through DTH and cable) then our analysis is no where near to

scriptures.Our classicals tried to teach orderliness and discipline in our

thoughts and actions.

we need to inclucate and adopt lives to find the reality and truth.if truth is

"aham brahma"why not we accept?Instead why do we drift away and in the end

converge to no point of return?is it possible that the thought of sacrifice non

attachement can help us to become austentacious and pious minds

Poor and wealthier status matter for awakening of God and God men.A poor

invoved and concerned 24 hour with his pwn hand to mouth knows he is having God

with in himself.he knows that if he does not work for that day he has to make

other also to suffer be it wife or his children.To keep them happy he has to

belabour.We also know when lord krishna desired to visit his friend Kuchela what

he was offered by his poor but a man of precious nature.Handful of popcorn

To be sublime and serving the cause of God is more desirable than to run to

the God man and render services through them.Rich ofcourse have only concern of

their wealth and their own concern.They know what kind of rightful earnings have

been made by them.No wonder they need assistance and call of Godmen.Not a secret

wealthy lot exploit what ever possible including those serving them.They have

along with wealth insecurity of themselves and their possessions.They also are

proud that their money can bring anything to them.So they do not mind to become

hosts of the Godmen.

For aperson for whom tomorrow is always a day worth living he has lot to worry

about.If he is not to keep his belly empty he has to work.In what ever he

finds,he definetly finds God.He always desires for grace of one and all.His

concern for others and for himself always keeps him near to God.God has to care

for those whose lives happen because of his kindness.He knows that in His

creations that gradings and classes exist not because he desired.it is because

the understanding of the people about God and His creation is ambiguous.

God even might get jolted if he really tries to understand this universe.On

one side lot of jagarans,chanting the name of Almighty with fan and

fare,indulging in hatred and crime,becoming part of unlawful activity,fighting

for injustice and save the criminal and rescuing the person who in no mean terms

committed crimes.wealth exists where God hates to visit.wealth is there where

crime is there.wealth is there to get recognition.wealth is there to find means

for spending in the name of society.Finally wealth is there to insulate for all

bad things.

Linking God and God men with rich sans basic philosophy.it is okay if some

body is able to call God men to his house and arrange for discourses.Such person

needs to be recognised for his pious nature.God men are not interested to make

the lot rich people better.Through them(as the occassion is there) they would

like to communicate and serve for others.Their realisation of God and their

endeavour to propogate for simple principles to realise god has made them near

to people.it does not matter whether their followers are from the same country

or else where.They have abilities to communicate in universal style.Any God man

so far has only conveyed very very basic and simple things which for sure gets

violated.After all this society if we look in closer is meant for

exploitation.This exploitation some times also looks to be part of Dharma if we

have to eulogise rich people and feel God man is also near to rich and in any

cae God is meant is only for rich.All the activities we

find around are finally meant for those 3-5 percent of the population than to

rest of the 95-97 percent whose abilities including making a to and fro trip to

moon on a holiday is fun.God and god man inculacate thoughts in us to lead a

life where you always is God is there with you.In all your sayings and

actions,let God be reflected.This kind of approach makes one and all away from

greed and so less sin.If we are concerned about our thoughts and actions,where

is the need for us to put effort and find the ways to God.Our existence owes to

the supreme and our actions and feelings have to rflect him.If this is how a

uniform thinking persists we are sure to be righteous dirction instead of

indulging in exploitation and at one stage find searching for God?

krishnan

surya <dattapr2000 wrote:

The incarnation of GOD concentrates more on rich people, than the

poor people. People are criticizing for this. But remember, that all

the human beings are the children of God. Father concentrates on the

child, who is suffering with cancer. Though cancer is incurable,

still the father attempts to do something for the child. He is more

concerned with that child and pays more attention.

A rich man is a serious case and is very dangerous. He has all the

powers, to do sins and disturb the peace of the world. To keep him

in the right path or at least, to control him temporarily, is very

important for the peace of the world. So the incarnation pays more

attention to him, to save the world.

A poor man cannot disturb the peace of the world, because he has no

power of money, he is always involved in earning his livelihood. So

he is not dangerous. Without knowing this, inner truth, people

criticize God man.

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote:

> Dear Arjun Ji

> it is a paradoxical that the wealthiest, most currupt, criminal

get the best of almighty. so godmen can also be part of such elite

club.

> panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:

dear sister nalini

> as you rightly understood these days wealth is playing a major

role for getting the blessings of godmen.

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April 15, 2006

Dear Sir,

Music is bhakti.Tyagraja kriti is to remind the simplicity of human beings.The

one singing and the one listening are in different worlds.The meaning as well as

the melody has a different significance.

The same is the case with Bhakta puranadara das and Annamacharya.Sant Tukaram

and Meera bai popularised our Itihasas and other classicals to become part of

every day life.It is almost a different story what we witness to day even after

rewinding Ramanand Sagars productions.

After all God is so near yet dear.hands of rich spread every where.so we find

no God in Brindavan,Benares and need to locate >God Is available in Birla

Mandirs and in punya teerthas only pollution.

yet the craze for God is there and god men is there.Name of God spins money.we

need not search for opportunists as there are every where seva dals to guide

according to our tastes and wishes.

Swamy Jayendra Sarswati,the symbol of today's Hinduism in the steps of Periyar

has landed into problem by becoming close to power and muscle men.We all feel

proud to take the name of Kanchi Kamakoti Peetham and listen to their

preachings.Every time he visited Delhi amidst Ramajanma bhoomi smasya I used to

wonder why this simple saint worry about mandir-masjid issue.I could not also

resist without getting Swamy jee's darshan.Infact in Delhi we are initiated to

Jyotish with His holiness blessing while at the time of beginning and on

completion of course.Swamy ji stays in Delhi in his ahram to which we are very

close.

swamy ji has been worshipped and his pravachan has always been inspiring to

adopt and seek his blessings as many times as possible.But then Destiny has it's

own way.As one of our reverred member mentioned transits and gocharas have lot

to say.if the same planets can make a saint and symbolise for sacrifice,times

too will be there to land any one into shadows.This is what has to worry about.

After all Success of any thing has to make more ardent and sublime.Instead if

mislead and purpose is lost all our labour becomes futile.I mean success of

Dhrama as well as Adharma.if Dharama is meant for angels and Adharma is

wickedness and Rakshas every one can be mislead.May be God has found it is easy

to attract people of Adhrma with his chatura and always won over them in the end

by protecting Dharma.God has always done his duty how ever belated it might

be.Always there are balancing forces irrespective of Yugas

It appears that today the world belongs to rich and so no wonder every thing

is influenced through money