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Surya,

 

the picture may be inbetween what you feel on atheist turned beliver, rarely

atheists change may be an ignorant, or dormant devotee waiting for a direction

or the light to enlighten him was not there around.

 

About Idol worship, temple worships

 

Idols serve 2 roles one is to create a centeral point to focus, concenterate

upon 2 is identity.

 

focus is important when so many thoughts keep rattling your mind or crossing

your mind you need a reminder onthe one form in tront of you, once you are

colse to it then other thoughts dissappear, only when your mind is free you

get fresh thoughts, inputs.

just like you can fill in as much water in a container as the space in it, if

it has some salt water, or dirty water can you fill rest of it with drinking

water no you empty it clean and fill FRESH WATER.

 

like wise identifying god in an idol has some ayurvedha role too you identify

some parts, chakras in the prayers and thus re-energise those parts in your own

system that needs attention, maintainance often to be in a good receptive state

to almighty's inputs.

these are not forcing you, these are facilators.

 

(the prana prathistha is one such tool as it is combined energy of the people

around looking after its welfare along with divine energy needs to be charged

with kumbabishekams once in a while, if you can maintain the idols at home in

such fasthion it can also work same way, for generations it has to pass on

without a break. there are families doing it at home even now).

 

 

and after a stage the physical pointers or idols are not requirted you have

the mental idol then that too disappears you are with the major idol or within

the main idol floating all over it, like how the infant will be feeling its

parents, enjoy total bliss.

 

I am from a atheist, rationalist lineage.

 

so this is very little I can say

surya <dattapr2000 wrote: The atheist says that God does not

exist. For him God is nothing i.e., vacant space. This is the first stage. When

he sees miracles he becomes the believer in God. He accepts God as some power

or energy. The power or energy is also formless, like vacant space. So the

concept of God is near to his previous concept and thus the atheist (Scientist)

accepts the formless (Nirakara) God very easily.

The third stage is God with form (Sakara). In this stage statues in the human

form are introduced. The training is given to do the sixteen upacharas

(services) to these statues in human form. This

training indicates that they have to worship the God in human form in this

way. The sixteen upacharas are actually related to the human

form only. For eg: the first upachara `Aavahanam' means invitation

corresponds to the human being only and not to inert statue. The statue in the

temple is better than the statue in your house.

 

Why? Because in the temple the `Pranaprathista' i.e., initiation of

life is done to the statue. This again indicates that you have to

worship the statue with life. The concept is the inert statue plus

life is equal to human being. Therefore in the temple the statue

indicates that you have to worship the statue with life i.e., the

human form of God only. Like this you are slowly trained to worship

the human form of the God by the sixteen upacharas. In this training

when your egoism and jealousy is completely destroyed now the human

form of the God is introduced. Unless your egoism and jealousy are

completely destroyed you cannot accept the human form directly. So

the worship of the inert statue in the human form introduces the

concept of human form, then the initiation of life (Prana pratishta)

introduces the concept of living human form. Thus this is a gradual

transformation of you by reducing your egoism and jealousy. When

your egoism and jealousy are completely removed, the final human

form of God is introduced. Only a particular man like Lord Krishna

is God. This is Advaita philosophy, which is extended to every man

due to the same jealousy and egoism. If every man is God, nobody

requires salvation.

 

Like this when you are travelling from vacant space to formless

energy or power then you are accepting the human form but without

life which is a statue in your house. In the same stage you are

accepting the statue plus life in the temple, which means only a

living human form. Finally you are catching the God in the present

living human form. Whatever I preached here is having the best

practical proof. Hanuman, the greatest of the human beings in this

world worshipped Rama only who was a living human being in his time.

He did not go down i.e.; he never meditated upon the formless God or

the statues. In Valmiki Ramayana such things are not mentioned. He

never worshipped even previous human incarnations like `Vamana'. He

worshipped only the human incarnation present in his generation.

 

Similarly Radha never worshipped `Rama' but worshipped only Krishna

who was the human incarnation of her generation. As per Bhagavatham

Radha also never worshipped the statues or the formless God. Hanuman

became Brahma and Radha became the queen of the 15th World `Goloka'.

Nobody in this world will attain a better position than these two.

So your spiritual journey must end in recognizing the human

incarnation of God present in your generation. God is impartial and

so He comes down in human form in every generation. If you say Lord

Krishna is only the latest incarnation, then that generation was

blessed and God became partial. Therefore God is coming in human

form in every human generation. People are not recognizing Him

because after the incarnation of Krishna the egoism and jealousy are

growing continuously in all the human beings. The man did not

recognize the God coming in human form after Krishna. After Krishna

and before `Kalki' is `Kaliyuga'. Due to the influence of the `Kali'

people are full of egoism and jealousy and so they cannot recognize

the human form of God in `Kaliyuga'.

 

God comes in different human forms in the same time in various

levels for the sake of devotees in various levels. He comes as a

schoolteacher for the school students, as a lecturer for the college

students and as a Professor for the post graduate students. Since

the school students and college students are large in number he

comes down as a number of schoolteachers and college lecturers. Such

incarnations are called as `Amsavataras', which mean the

incarnations of a small portion of His power. The incarnation of His

radiation is called `Kalavatara' which is the formless God like

light worshipped by some believers. The light travels as waves and

the Siva Linga in the temple represents this formless God. Since the

Post graduation students are less in number only one professor comes

down and He is the `Pari poorna tamavathara' i.e., the most complete

incarnation, which reveals the final true knowledge. He is

called `Satguru' or the original Datta in the human form.

 

Datta exists in two forms. 1) The three headed form. 2) One headed

form. The three headed form indicates `Para brahma' (God) who

creates, rules and destroys the Universe by His three faces. The

other single headed form is the external human form in which the

three-headed form exists as the internal form, which is not seen.

This is the essence of the `Eka Mukha Datta' (One headed from)

and `Trimukha Datta' (The three headed form). Therefore the

Schoolteacher shows miracles and converts the atheist into theist.

The college lecturer trains the theists in the worship of the

statues having human form to remove ego and jealousy in the man and

make him a devotee. The last university professor gives the final

true knowledge that God comes down in human form only and that He

(the professor) Himself is God.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

"crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Please take this rightly (as opposed to wrongly! Duh!!)

> We should not mix metaphors. They cause problems!

> Simply stated: Temples are not Gods!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Sir,

Temples are intended to with a view to congregate and worship.A place intended

for religious pursuit with an installed through pranapratishta and energise for

people to find solace and seek fulfilment of wishes through enhanced self effort

and confidence.temples and Gods are inseperable.

may be worth to cite my accidental experience at Tara Mandir built at the top of

a hil nearly at 8000ft and existing almost in clouds.the temple is as old as 400

years with

a priest doing sevas.The bliss one gets in such places is to be experienced to

be believed.

Temples serve for causes and give solace

krishnan

 

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote:

Surya,

 

the picture may be inbetween what you feel on atheist turned beliver, rarely

atheists change may be an ignorant, or dormant devotee waiting for a direction

or the light to enlighten him was not there around.

 

About Idol worship, temple worships

 

Idols serve 2 roles one is to create a centeral point to focus, concenterate

upon 2 is identity.

 

focus is important when so many thoughts keep rattling your mind or crossing

your mind you need a reminder onthe one form in tront of you, once you are

colse to it then other thoughts dissappear, only when your mind is free you

get fresh thoughts, inputs.

just like you can fill in as much water in a container as the space in it, if

it has some salt water, or dirty water can you fill rest of it with drinking

water no you empty it clean and fill FRESH WATER.

 

like wise identifying god in an idol has some ayurvedha role too you identify

some parts, chakras in the prayers and thus re-energise those parts in your own

system that needs attention, maintainance often to be in a good receptive state

to almighty's inputs.

these are not forcing you, these are facilators.

 

(the prana prathistha is one such tool as it is combined energy of the people

around looking after its welfare along with divine energy needs to be charged

with kumbabishekams once in a while, if you can maintain the idols at home in

such fasthion it can also work same way, for generations it has to pass on

without a break. there are families doing it at home even now).

 

 

and after a stage the physical pointers or idols are not requirted you have

the mental idol then that too disappears you are with the major idol or within

the main idol floating all over it, like how the infant will be feeling its

parents, enjoy total bliss.

 

I am from a atheist, rationalist lineage.

 

so this is very little I can say

surya <dattapr2000 wrote: The atheist says that God does not

exist. For him God is nothing i.e., vacant space. This is the first stage. When

he sees miracles he becomes the believer in God. He accepts God as some power

or energy. The power or energy is also formless, like vacant space. So the

concept of God is near to his previous concept and thus the atheist (Scientist)

accepts the formless (Nirakara) God very easily.

The third stage is God with form (Sakara). In this stage statues in the human

form are introduced. The training is given to do the sixteen upacharas

(services) to these statues in human form. This

training indicates that they have to worship the God in human form in this

way. The sixteen upacharas are actually related to the human

form only. For eg: the first upachara `Aavahanam' means invitation

corresponds to the human being only and not to inert statue. The statue in the

temple is better than the statue in your house.

 

Why? Because in the temple the `Pranaprathista' i.e., initiation of

life is done to the statue. This again indicates that you have to

worship the statue with life. The concept is the inert statue plus

life is equal to human being. Therefore in the temple the statue

indicates that you have to worship the statue with life i.e., the

human form of God only. Like this you are slowly trained to worship

the human form of the God by the sixteen upacharas. In this training

when your egoism and jealousy is completely destroyed now the human

form of the God is introduced. Unless your egoism and jealousy are

completely destroyed you cannot accept the human form directly. So

the worship of the inert statue in the human form introduces the

concept of human form, then the initiation of life (Prana pratishta)

introduces the concept of living human form. Thus this is a gradual

transformation of you by reducing your egoism and jealousy. When

your egoism and jealousy are completely removed, the final human

form of God is introduced. Only a particular man like Lord Krishna

is God. This is Advaita philosophy, which is extended to every man

due to the same jealousy and egoism. If every man is God, nobody

requires salvation.

 

Like this when you are travelling from vacant space to formless

energy or power then you are accepting the human form but without

life which is a statue in your house. In the same stage you are

accepting the statue plus life in the temple, which means only a

living human form. Finally you are catching the God in the present

living human form. Whatever I preached here is having the best

practical proof. Hanuman, the greatest of the human beings in this

world worshipped Rama only who was a living human being in his time.

He did not go down i.e.; he never meditated upon the formless God or

the statues. In Valmiki Ramayana such things are not mentioned. He

never worshipped even previous human incarnations like `Vamana'. He

worshipped only the human incarnation present in his generation.

 

Similarly Radha never worshipped `Rama' but worshipped only Krishna

who was the human incarnation of her generation. As per Bhagavatham

Radha also never worshipped the statues or the formless God. Hanuman

became Brahma and Radha became the queen of the 15th World `Goloka'.

Nobody in this world will attain a better position than these two.

So your spiritual journey must end in recognizing the human

incarnation of God present in your generation. God is impartial and

so He comes down in human form in every generation. If you say Lord

Krishna is only the latest incarnation, then that generation was

blessed and God became partial. Therefore God is coming in human

form in every human generation. People are not recognizing Him

because after the incarnation of Krishna the egoism and jealousy are

growing continuously in all the human beings. The man did not

recognize the God coming in human form after Krishna. After Krishna

and before `Kalki' is `Kaliyuga'. Due to the influence of the `Kali'

people are full of egoism and jealousy and so they cannot recognize

the human form of God in `Kaliyuga'.

 

God comes in different human forms in the same time in various

levels for the sake of devotees in various levels. He comes as a

schoolteacher for the school students, as a lecturer for the college

students and as a Professor for the post graduate students. Since

the school students and college students are large in number he

comes down as a number of schoolteachers and college lecturers. Such

incarnations are called as `Amsavataras', which mean the

incarnations of a small portion of His power. The incarnation of His

radiation is called `Kalavatara' which is the formless God like

light worshipped by some believers. The light travels as waves and

the Siva Linga in the temple represents this formless God. Since the

Post graduation students are less in number only one professor comes

down and He is the `Pari poorna tamavathara' i.e., the most complete

incarnation, which reveals the final true knowledge. He is

called `Satguru' or the original Datta in the human form.

 

Datta exists in two forms. 1) The three headed form. 2) One headed

form. The three headed form indicates `Para brahma' (God) who

creates, rules and destroys the Universe by His three faces. The

other single headed form is the external human form in which the

three-headed form exists as the internal form, which is not seen.

This is the essence of the `Eka Mukha Datta' (One headed from)

and `Trimukha Datta' (The three headed form). Therefore the

Schoolteacher shows miracles and converts the atheist into theist.

The college lecturer trains the theists in the worship of the

statues having human form to remove ego and jealousy in the man and

make him a devotee. The last university professor gives the final

true knowledge that God comes down in human form only and that He

(the professor) Himself is God.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

"crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Please take this rightly (as opposed to wrongly! Duh!!)

> We should not mix metaphors. They cause problems!

> Simply stated: Temples are not Gods!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE

OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Can you show me that these hell and heaven are not there. You also

cannot prove that hell & heaven are not there. So atleast an equal

probability is there i.e., 50-50 chance.

 

Ex: A blind fellow is walking on road. Two people approach him. One

says, there is a manhole in front of you. Other fellow says, first

fellow is fooling you. There is no manhole and so can proceed. Now

what the blind fellow should do?

 

If he is wise, he will take a small diversion and then walk away

happily. By taking diversion definitely, he has put extra effort,

energy and time. But it is not at all a loss, why because if by

chance manhole is there, he will fall in that and consequence will

be more difficult to imagine.

 

Now an atheist with rigidity will follow the second fellow's advice.

 

An atheist with little bit of wisdom follow the first fellow. How?

If you take an atheist, sofar he has spent some part of his life as

an atheist. Now atleast for some part of time he can experiment

thinking that Lord is there and observe and compare the differences

in his own life before and after. Instead of doing this in his own

life for sometime, he unnecessarily spends lot of time in gossiping

nonsense stating that Lord is not there. He believes in people who

support him only. This is the rigidity. Our wise blind man in our

above example has taken diversion instead of going straight and

saved himself. Likewise these atheists should experiment theism in

their life for sometime and then come to conclusion.

 

It is highly ridiculous to see these so called atheists not even

thinking in this direction but they claim as wisest. This small idea

did not occur to their wisest minds. They are not even allowing

their mind to think momentarily also that Lord exists, this shows

their extent of rigidity. That is the reason why they could not

experience an iota of His grace sofar in their lives knowingly.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote:

> I am from a atheist, rationalist lineage.

> so this is very little I can say

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Krishnan ji,

 

Where is this Tara Mandir and how does one get there? From your

description, it sounds enchanting and worth visiting. Thanks

 

RR

 

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Sir,

> Temples are intended to with a view to congregate and worship.A

place intended for religious pursuit with an installed through

pranapratishta and energise for people to find solace and seek

fulfilment of wishes through enhanced self effort and

confidence.temples and Gods are inseperable.

> may be worth to cite my accidental experience at Tara Mandir built

at the top of a hil nearly at 8000ft and existing almost in

clouds.the temple is as old as 400 years with

> a priest doing sevas.The bliss one gets in such places is to be

experienced to be believed.

> Temples serve for causes and give solace

> krishnan

>

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote:

> Surya,

>

> the picture may be inbetween what you feel on atheist turned

beliver, rarely atheists change may be an ignorant, or dormant

devotee waiting for a direction or the light to enlighten him was

not there around.

>

> About Idol worship, temple worships

>

> Idols serve 2 roles one is to create a centeral point to focus,

concenterate upon 2 is identity.

>

> focus is important when so many thoughts keep rattling your mind

or crossing your mind you need a reminder onthe one form in tront of

you, once you are colse to it then other thoughts dissappear, only

when your mind is free you get fresh thoughts, inputs.

> just like you can fill in as much water in a container as the

space in it, if it has some salt water, or dirty water can you fill

rest of it with drinking water no you empty it clean and fill FRESH

WATER.

>

> like wise identifying god in an idol has some ayurvedha role too

you identify some parts, chakras in the prayers and thus re-energise

those parts in your own system that needs attention, maintainance

often to be in a good receptive state to almighty's inputs.

> these are not forcing you, these are facilators.

>

> (the prana prathistha is one such tool as it is combined energy

of the people around looking after its welfare along with divine

energy needs to be charged with kumbabishekams once in a while, if

you can maintain the idols at home in such fasthion it can also work

same way, for generations it has to pass on without a break. there

are families doing it at home even now).

>

>

> and after a stage the physical pointers or idols are not

requirted you have the mental idol then that too disappears you are

with the major idol or within the main idol floating all over it,

like how the infant will be feeling its parents, enjoy total bliss.

>

> I am from a atheist, rationalist lineage.

>

> so this is very little I can say

> surya <dattapr2000 wrote: The atheist says that God does

not exist. For him God is nothing i.e., vacant space. This is the

first stage. When he sees miracles he becomes the believer in God.

He accepts God as some power or energy. The power or energy is also

formless, like vacant space. So the concept of God is near to his

previous concept and thus the atheist (Scientist) accepts the

formless (Nirakara) God very easily.

> The third stage is God with form (Sakara). In this stage statues

in the human form are introduced. The training is given to do the

sixteen upacharas (services) to these statues in human form. This

> training indicates that they have to worship the God in human

form in this way. The sixteen upacharas are actually related to the

human

> form only. For eg: the first upachara `Aavahanam' means

invitation corresponds to the human being only and not to inert

statue. The statue in the temple is better than the statue in your

house.

>

> Why? Because in the temple the `Pranaprathista' i.e., initiation

of

> life is done to the statue. This again indicates that you have to

> worship the statue with life. The concept is the inert statue

plus

> life is equal to human being. Therefore in the temple the statue

> indicates that you have to worship the statue with life i.e., the

> human form of God only. Like this you are slowly trained to

worship

> the human form of the God by the sixteen upacharas. In this

training

> when your egoism and jealousy is completely destroyed now the

human

> form of the God is introduced. Unless your egoism and jealousy

are

> completely destroyed you cannot accept the human form directly.

So

> the worship of the inert statue in the human form introduces the

> concept of human form, then the initiation of life (Prana

pratishta)

> introduces the concept of living human form. Thus this is a

gradual

> transformation of you by reducing your egoism and jealousy. When

> your egoism and jealousy are completely removed, the final human

> form of God is introduced. Only a particular man like Lord

Krishna

> is God. This is Advaita philosophy, which is extended to every

man

> due to the same jealousy and egoism. If every man is God, nobody

> requires salvation.

>

> Like this when you are travelling from vacant space to formless

> energy or power then you are accepting the human form but without

> life which is a statue in your house. In the same stage you are

> accepting the statue plus life in the temple, which means only a

> living human form. Finally you are catching the God in the

present

> living human form. Whatever I preached here is having the best

> practical proof. Hanuman, the greatest of the human beings in

this

> world worshipped Rama only who was a living human being in his

time.

> He did not go down i.e.; he never meditated upon the formless God

or

> the statues. In Valmiki Ramayana such things are not mentioned.

He

> never worshipped even previous human incarnations like `Vamana'.

He

> worshipped only the human incarnation present in his generation.

>

> Similarly Radha never worshipped `Rama' but worshipped only

Krishna

> who was the human incarnation of her generation. As per

Bhagavatham

> Radha also never worshipped the statues or the formless God.

Hanuman

> became Brahma and Radha became the queen of the 15th World

`Goloka'.

> Nobody in this world will attain a better position than these

two.

> So your spiritual journey must end in recognizing the human

> incarnation of God present in your generation. God is impartial

and

> so He comes down in human form in every generation. If you say

Lord

> Krishna is only the latest incarnation, then that generation was

> blessed and God became partial. Therefore God is coming in human

> form in every human generation. People are not recognizing Him

> because after the incarnation of Krishna the egoism and jealousy

are

> growing continuously in all the human beings. The man did not

> recognize the God coming in human form after Krishna. After

Krishna

> and before `Kalki' is `Kaliyuga'. Due to the influence of the

`Kali'

> people are full of egoism and jealousy and so they cannot

recognize

> the human form of God in `Kaliyuga'.

>

> God comes in different human forms in the same time in various

> levels for the sake of devotees in various levels. He comes as a

> schoolteacher for the school students, as a lecturer for the

college

> students and as a Professor for the post graduate students. Since

> the school students and college students are large in number he

> comes down as a number of schoolteachers and college lecturers.

Such

> incarnations are called as `Amsavataras', which mean the

> incarnations of a small portion of His power. The incarnation of

His

> radiation is called `Kalavatara' which is the formless God like

> light worshipped by some believers. The light travels as waves

and

> the Siva Linga in the temple represents this formless God. Since

the

> Post graduation students are less in number only one professor

comes

> down and He is the `Pari poorna tamavathara' i.e., the most

complete

> incarnation, which reveals the final true knowledge. He is

> called `Satguru' or the original Datta in the human form.

>

> Datta exists in two forms. 1) The three headed form. 2) One

headed

> form. The three headed form indicates `Para brahma' (God) who

> creates, rules and destroys the Universe by His three faces. The

> other single headed form is the external human form in which the

> three-headed form exists as the internal form, which is not seen.

> This is the essence of the `Eka Mukha Datta' (One headed from)

> and `Trimukha Datta' (The three headed form). Therefore the

> Schoolteacher shows miracles and converts the atheist into

theist.

> The college lecturer trains the theists in the worship of the

> statues having human form to remove ego and jealousy in the man

and

> make him a devotee. The last university professor gives the final

> true knowledge that God comes down in human form only and that He

> (the professor) Himself is God.

>

> at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> surya

> www.universal-spirituality.org

>

> "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Please take this rightly (as opposed to wrongly! Duh!!)

> > We should not mix metaphors. They cause problems!

> > Simply stated: Temples are not Gods!

>

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Visit your group "" on the web.

>

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[Om Namo Narayanaya}

Sri Krishnanji,

Thanks for the information. Where is Tara Mandir? One question sir,

why is that in some places of worship, the energy, the vibration or

what ever you choose to call it , more pronounced? So much so you

find the connection - direct- One to one? so pronounced you fee like

out-pouring your feelings in direct communication. I have also found

that this has nothing to do with the name or fame associated with

the place and more with infrequent visitations. It might be my

perception alone but this observation I have felt many a time.

Nalini

{Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya}

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99

wrote:

>

> Sir,

> Temples are intended to with a view to congregate and worship.A

place intended for religious pursuit with an installed through

pranapratishta and energise for people to find solace and seek

fulfilment of wishes through enhanced self effort and

confidence.temples and Gods are inseperable.

> may be worth to cite my accidental experience at Tara Mandir built

at the top of a hil nearly at 8000ft and existing almost in

clouds.the temple is as old as 400 years with

> a priest doing sevas.The bliss one gets in such places is to be

experienced to be believed.

> Temples serve for causes and give solace

> krishnan

>

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote:

> Surya,

>

> the picture may be inbetween what you feel on atheist turned

beliver, rarely atheists change may be an ignorant, or dormant

devotee waiting for a direction or the light to enlighten him was

not there around.

>

> About Idol worship, temple worships

>

> Idols serve 2 roles one is to create a centeral point to focus,

concenterate upon 2 is identity.

>

> focus is important when so many thoughts keep rattling your mind

or crossing your mind you need a reminder onthe one form in tront

of you, once you are colse to it then other thoughts dissappear,

only when your mind is free you get fresh thoughts, inputs.

> just like you can fill in as much water in a container as the

space in it, if it has some salt water, or dirty water can you fill

rest of it with drinking water no you empty it clean and fill FRESH

WATER.

>

> like wise identifying god in an idol has some ayurvedha role too

you identify some parts, chakras in the prayers and thus re-

energise those parts in your own system that needs attention,

maintainance often to be in a good receptive state to almighty's

inputs.

> these are not forcing you, these are facilators.

>

> (the prana prathistha is one such tool as it is combined energy

of the people around looking after its welfare along with divine

energy needs to be charged with kumbabishekams once in a while, if

you can maintain the idols at home in such fasthion it can also

work same way, for generations it has to pass on without a break.

there are families doing it at home even now).

>

>

> and after a stage the physical pointers or idols are not

requirted you have the mental idol then that too disappears you are

with the major idol or within the main idol floating all over it,

like how the infant will be feeling its parents, enjoy total bliss.

>

> I am from a atheist, rationalist lineage.

>

> so this is very little I can say

> surya <dattapr2000 wrote: The atheist says that God does

not exist. For him God is nothing i.e., vacant space. This is the

first stage. When he sees miracles he becomes the believer in God.

He accepts God as some power or energy. The power or energy is also

formless, like vacant space. So the concept of God is near to his

previous concept and thus the atheist (Scientist) accepts the

formless (Nirakara) God very easily.

> The third stage is God with form (Sakara). In this stage statues

in the human form are introduced. The training is given to do the

sixteen upacharas (services) to these statues in human form. This

> training indicates that they have to worship the God in human

form in this way. The sixteen upacharas are actually related to the

human

> form only. For eg: the first upachara `Aavahanam' means

invitation corresponds to the human being only and not to inert

statue. The statue in the temple is better than the statue in your

house.

>

> Why? Because in the temple the `Pranaprathista' i.e., initiation

of

> life is done to the statue. This again indicates that you have

to

> worship the statue with life. The concept is the inert statue

plus

> life is equal to human being. Therefore in the temple the statue

> indicates that you have to worship the statue with life i.e.,

the

> human form of God only. Like this you are slowly trained to

worship

> the human form of the God by the sixteen upacharas. In this

training

> when your egoism and jealousy is completely destroyed now the

human

> form of the God is introduced. Unless your egoism and jealousy

are

> completely destroyed you cannot accept the human form directly.

So

> the worship of the inert statue in the human form introduces the

> concept of human form, then the initiation of life (Prana

pratishta)

> introduces the concept of living human form. Thus this is a

gradual

> transformation of you by reducing your egoism and jealousy. When

> your egoism and jealousy are completely removed, the final human

> form of God is introduced. Only a particular man like Lord

Krishna

> is God. This is Advaita philosophy, which is extended to every

man

> due to the same jealousy and egoism. If every man is God, nobody

> requires salvation.

>

> Like this when you are travelling from vacant space to formless

> energy or power then you are accepting the human form but

without

> life which is a statue in your house. In the same stage you are

> accepting the statue plus life in the temple, which means only a

> living human form. Finally you are catching the God in the

present

> living human form. Whatever I preached here is having the best

> practical proof. Hanuman, the greatest of the human beings in

this

> world worshipped Rama only who was a living human being in his

time.

> He did not go down i.e.; he never meditated upon the formless

God or

> the statues. In Valmiki Ramayana such things are not mentioned.

He

> never worshipped even previous human incarnations like `Vamana'.

He

> worshipped only the human incarnation present in his generation.

>

> Similarly Radha never worshipped `Rama' but worshipped only

Krishna

> who was the human incarnation of her generation. As per

Bhagavatham

> Radha also never worshipped the statues or the formless God.

Hanuman

> became Brahma and Radha became the queen of the 15th World

`Goloka'.

> Nobody in this world will attain a better position than these

two.

> So your spiritual journey must end in recognizing the human

> incarnation of God present in your generation. God is impartial

and

> so He comes down in human form in every generation. If you say

Lord

> Krishna is only the latest incarnation, then that generation was

> blessed and God became partial. Therefore God is coming in human

> form in every human generation. People are not recognizing Him

> because after the incarnation of Krishna the egoism and jealousy

are

> growing continuously in all the human beings. The man did not

> recognize the God coming in human form after Krishna. After

Krishna

> and before `Kalki' is `Kaliyuga'. Due to the influence of the

`Kali'

> people are full of egoism and jealousy and so they cannot

recognize

> the human form of God in `Kaliyuga'.

>

> God comes in different human forms in the same time in various

> levels for the sake of devotees in various levels. He comes as a

> schoolteacher for the school students, as a lecturer for the

college

> students and as a Professor for the post graduate students.

Since

> the school students and college students are large in number he

> comes down as a number of schoolteachers and college lecturers.

Such

> incarnations are called as `Amsavataras', which mean the

> incarnations of a small portion of His power. The incarnation of

His

> radiation is called `Kalavatara' which is the formless God like

> light worshipped by some believers. The light travels as waves

and

> the Siva Linga in the temple represents this formless God. Since

the

> Post graduation students are less in number only one professor

comes

> down and He is the `Pari poorna tamavathara' i.e., the most

complete

> incarnation, which reveals the final true knowledge. He is

> called `Satguru' or the original Datta in the human form.

>

> Datta exists in two forms. 1) The three headed form. 2) One

headed

> form. The three headed form indicates `Para brahma' (God) who

> creates, rules and destroys the Universe by His three faces. The

> other single headed form is the external human form in which the

> three-headed form exists as the internal form, which is not

seen.

> This is the essence of the `Eka Mukha Datta' (One headed from)

> and `Trimukha Datta' (The three headed form). Therefore the

> Schoolteacher shows miracles and converts the atheist into

theist.

> The college lecturer trains the theists in the worship of the

> statues having human form to remove ego and jealousy in the man

and

> make him a devotee. The last university professor gives the

final

> true knowledge that God comes down in human form only and that

He

> (the professor) Himself is God.

>

> at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> surya

> www.universal-spirituality.org

>

> "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Please take this rightly (as opposed to wrongly! Duh!!)

> > We should not mix metaphors. They cause problems!

> > Simply stated: Temples are not Gods!

>

>

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Just as a suggestion, for those interested, keeping a journal can

keep a valuable insight. To later correlate with dashas and transits

and significant horas, etc. It is tedious, so most people would be

reluctant in doing. Being the technical and pragmatic craft that

jyotish is, such activities do have their significance and relevance.

 

Such as when one is having such phases and meaningful experiences.

Just to clarify, I am not claiming that one would find meaningful

correlations (between experiences and transits/periods etc) each and

every time, but even that can be eye-opening!

 

RR

 

, "auromirra19"

<nalini2818 wrote:

>

> [Om Namo Narayanaya}

> Sri Krishnanji,

> Thanks for the information. Where is Tara Mandir? One question sir,

> why is that in some places of worship, the energy, the vibration or

> what ever you choose to call it , more pronounced? So much so you

> find the connection - direct- One to one? so pronounced you fee

like

> out-pouring your feelings in direct communication. I have also

found

> that this has nothing to do with the name or fame associated with

> the place and more with infrequent visitations. It might be my

> perception alone but this observation I have felt many a time.

> Nalini

> {Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya}

> , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Sir,

> > Temples are intended to with a view to congregate and worship.A

> place intended for religious pursuit with an installed through

> pranapratishta and energise for people to find solace and seek

> fulfilment of wishes through enhanced self effort and

> confidence.temples and Gods are inseperable.

> > may be worth to cite my accidental experience at Tara Mandir

built

> at the top of a hil nearly at 8000ft and existing almost in

> clouds.the temple is as old as 400 years with

> > a priest doing sevas.The bliss one gets in such places is to be

> experienced to be believed.

> > Temples serve for causes and give solace

> > krishnan

> >

> > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > Surya,

> >

> > the picture may be inbetween what you feel on atheist turned

> beliver, rarely atheists change may be an ignorant, or dormant

> devotee waiting for a direction or the light to enlighten him was

> not there around.

> >

> > About Idol worship, temple worships

> >

> > Idols serve 2 roles one is to create a centeral point to focus,

> concenterate upon 2 is identity.

> >

> > focus is important when so many thoughts keep rattling your

mind

> or crossing your mind you need a reminder onthe one form in tront

> of you, once you are colse to it then other thoughts dissappear,

> only when your mind is free you get fresh thoughts, inputs.

> > just like you can fill in as much water in a container as the

> space in it, if it has some salt water, or dirty water can you

fill

> rest of it with drinking water no you empty it clean and fill

FRESH

> WATER.

> >

> > like wise identifying god in an idol has some ayurvedha role

too

> you identify some parts, chakras in the prayers and thus re-

> energise those parts in your own system that needs attention,

> maintainance often to be in a good receptive state to almighty's

> inputs.

> > these are not forcing you, these are facilators.

> >

> > (the prana prathistha is one such tool as it is combined energy

> of the people around looking after its welfare along with divine

> energy needs to be charged with kumbabishekams once in a while, if

> you can maintain the idols at home in such fasthion it can also

> work same way, for generations it has to pass on without a break.

> there are families doing it at home even now).

> >

> >

> > and after a stage the physical pointers or idols are not

> requirted you have the mental idol then that too disappears you

are

> with the major idol or within the main idol floating all over it,

> like how the infant will be feeling its parents, enjoy total bliss.

> >

> > I am from a atheist, rationalist lineage.

> >

> > so this is very little I can say

> > surya <dattapr2000@> wrote: The atheist says that God does

> not exist. For him God is nothing i.e., vacant space. This is the

> first stage. When he sees miracles he becomes the believer in God.

> He accepts God as some power or energy. The power or energy is

also

> formless, like vacant space. So the concept of God is near to his

> previous concept and thus the atheist (Scientist) accepts the

> formless (Nirakara) God very easily.

> > The third stage is God with form (Sakara). In this stage

statues

> in the human form are introduced. The training is given to do the

> sixteen upacharas (services) to these statues in human form. This

> > training indicates that they have to worship the God in human

> form in this way. The sixteen upacharas are actually related to

the

> human

> > form only. For eg: the first upachara `Aavahanam' means

> invitation corresponds to the human being only and not to inert

> statue. The statue in the temple is better than the statue in your

> house.

> >

> > Why? Because in the temple the `Pranaprathista' i.e.,

initiation

> of

> > life is done to the statue. This again indicates that you have

> to

> > worship the statue with life. The concept is the inert statue

> plus

> > life is equal to human being. Therefore in the temple the

statue

> > indicates that you have to worship the statue with life i.e.,

> the

> > human form of God only. Like this you are slowly trained to

> worship

> > the human form of the God by the sixteen upacharas. In this

> training

> > when your egoism and jealousy is completely destroyed now the

> human

> > form of the God is introduced. Unless your egoism and jealousy

> are

> > completely destroyed you cannot accept the human form directly.

> So

> > the worship of the inert statue in the human form introduces

the

> > concept of human form, then the initiation of life (Prana

> pratishta)

> > introduces the concept of living human form. Thus this is a

> gradual

> > transformation of you by reducing your egoism and jealousy.

When

> > your egoism and jealousy are completely removed, the final

human

> > form of God is introduced. Only a particular man like Lord

> Krishna

> > is God. This is Advaita philosophy, which is extended to every

> man

> > due to the same jealousy and egoism. If every man is God,

nobody

> > requires salvation.

> >

> > Like this when you are travelling from vacant space to formless

> > energy or power then you are accepting the human form but

> without

> > life which is a statue in your house. In the same stage you are

> > accepting the statue plus life in the temple, which means only

a

> > living human form. Finally you are catching the God in the

> present

> > living human form. Whatever I preached here is having the best

> > practical proof. Hanuman, the greatest of the human beings in

> this

> > world worshipped Rama only who was a living human being in his

> time.

> > He did not go down i.e.; he never meditated upon the formless

> God or

> > the statues. In Valmiki Ramayana such things are not mentioned.

> He

> > never worshipped even previous human incarnations like

`Vamana'.

> He

> > worshipped only the human incarnation present in his

generation.

> >

> > Similarly Radha never worshipped `Rama' but worshipped only

> Krishna

> > who was the human incarnation of her generation. As per

> Bhagavatham

> > Radha also never worshipped the statues or the formless God.

> Hanuman

> > became Brahma and Radha became the queen of the 15th World

> `Goloka'.

> > Nobody in this world will attain a better position than these

> two.

> > So your spiritual journey must end in recognizing the human

> > incarnation of God present in your generation. God is impartial

> and

> > so He comes down in human form in every generation. If you say

> Lord

> > Krishna is only the latest incarnation, then that generation

was

> > blessed and God became partial. Therefore God is coming in

human

> > form in every human generation. People are not recognizing Him

> > because after the incarnation of Krishna the egoism and

jealousy

> are

> > growing continuously in all the human beings. The man did not

> > recognize the God coming in human form after Krishna. After

> Krishna

> > and before `Kalki' is `Kaliyuga'. Due to the influence of the

> `Kali'

> > people are full of egoism and jealousy and so they cannot

> recognize

> > the human form of God in `Kaliyuga'.

> >

> > God comes in different human forms in the same time in various

> > levels for the sake of devotees in various levels. He comes as

a

> > schoolteacher for the school students, as a lecturer for the

> college

> > students and as a Professor for the post graduate students.

> Since

> > the school students and college students are large in number he

> > comes down as a number of schoolteachers and college lecturers.

> Such

> > incarnations are called as `Amsavataras', which mean the

> > incarnations of a small portion of His power. The incarnation

of

> His

> > radiation is called `Kalavatara' which is the formless God like

> > light worshipped by some believers. The light travels as waves

> and

> > the Siva Linga in the temple represents this formless God.

Since

> the

> > Post graduation students are less in number only one professor

> comes

> > down and He is the `Pari poorna tamavathara' i.e., the most

> complete

> > incarnation, which reveals the final true knowledge. He is

> > called `Satguru' or the original Datta in the human form.

> >

> > Datta exists in two forms. 1) The three headed form. 2) One

> headed

> > form. The three headed form indicates `Para brahma' (God) who

> > creates, rules and destroys the Universe by His three faces.

The

> > other single headed form is the external human form in which

the

> > three-headed form exists as the internal form, which is not

> seen.

> > This is the essence of the `Eka Mukha Datta' (One headed from)

> > and `Trimukha Datta' (The three headed form). Therefore the

> > Schoolteacher shows miracles and converts the atheist into

> theist.

> > The college lecturer trains the theists in the worship of the

> > statues having human form to remove ego and jealousy in the man

> and

> > make him a devotee. The last university professor gives the

> final

> > true knowledge that God comes down in human form only and that

> He

> > (the professor) Himself is God.

> >

> > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> > surya

> > www.universal-spirituality.org

> >

> > "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Please take this rightly (as opposed to wrongly! Duh!!)

> > > We should not mix metaphors. They cause problems!

> > > Simply stated: Temples are not Gods!

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

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Dear Shri RRji,

Tara Mandir is on the top of himalayan ranges.For my official erranda with

some colleagues we had visited Himachal pradesh.on the way back,we decided to go

on to the top of the hill.people said as it a steep hill,driving would be very

very arduous.we some how made it a point to reach to the top of the hill.There

the it is the sakti mandir .people worship during navaratri days

regularly.otherwise there is a trust which takes care of the activities.The

temple is very serene and has real scenic beauty with mountain ranges.we could

not thought over a bhandara there but they serve fresh and hot food with 2-3

items as that particular day they had anushtan also.some of these things are

difficult to be believed.In my case ,the transit ofsun into dhanshta into 2nd

charan always leads ro strain and invloves risks.when there was a big hail

storm,with land falls took place few hours before we ventured to ride to the top

of hills.it is worth to risk and have darshan and spend time

even though the idol there is not imposing.such experiences are rare and

difficult to be effaced from thoughts.I vowed later to visit the tara mandir if

some of my wishes fulfil with my wife too.

my saturn dasa with venus antar posited 8th risks are there and set backs are

there,worth all happenigs to undergo.my fifth lord from moon in 7th with 8th

lord and lord.of moon sign is in parivartana with seven.dasa of 7th lord and

antar of 5th has many question marks but Almighty has always something to move

forward in life

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Krishnan ji,

 

Where is this Tara Mandir and how does one get there? From your

description, it sounds enchanting and worth visiting. Thanks

 

RR

 

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Sir,

> Temples are intended to with a view to congregate and worship.A

place intended for religious pursuit with an installed through

pranapratishta and energise for people to find solace and seek

fulfilment of wishes through enhanced self effort and

confidence.temples and Gods are inseperable.

> may be worth to cite my accidental experience at Tara Mandir built

at the top of a hil nearly at 8000ft and existing almost in

clouds.the temple is as old as 400 years with

> a priest doing sevas.The bliss one gets in such places is to be

experienced to be believed.

> Temples serve for causes and give solace

> krishnan

>

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote:

> Surya,

>

> the picture may be inbetween what you feel on atheist turned

beliver, rarely atheists change may be an ignorant, or dormant

devotee waiting for a direction or the light to enlighten him was

not there around.

>

> About Idol worship, temple worships

>

> Idols serve 2 roles one is to create a centeral point to focus,

concenterate upon 2 is identity.

>

> focus is important when so many thoughts keep rattling your mind

or crossing your mind you need a reminder onthe one form in tront of

you, once you are colse to it then other thoughts dissappear, only

when your mind is free you get fresh thoughts, inputs.

> just like you can fill in as much water in a container as the

space in it, if it has some salt water, or dirty water can you fill

rest of it with drinking water no you empty it clean and fill FRESH

WATER.

>

> like wise identifying god in an idol has some ayurvedha role too

you identify some parts, chakras in the prayers and thus re-energise

those parts in your own system that needs attention, maintainance

often to be in a good receptive state to almighty's inputs.

> these are not forcing you, these are facilators.

>

> (the prana prathistha is one such tool as it is combined energy

of the people around looking after its welfare along with divine

energy needs to be charged with kumbabishekams once in a while, if

you can maintain the idols at home in such fasthion it can also work

same way, for generations it has to pass on without a break. there

are families doing it at home even now).

>

>

> and after a stage the physical pointers or idols are not

requirted you have the mental idol then that too disappears you are

with the major idol or within the main idol floating all over it,

like how the infant will be feeling its parents, enjoy total bliss.

>

> I am from a atheist, rationalist lineage.

>

> so this is very little I can say

> surya <dattapr2000 wrote: The atheist says that God does

not exist. For him God is nothing i.e., vacant space. This is the

first stage. When he sees miracles he becomes the believer in God.

He accepts God as some power or energy. The power or energy is also

formless, like vacant space. So the concept of God is near to his

previous concept and thus the atheist (Scientist) accepts the

formless (Nirakara) God very easily.

> The third stage is God with form (Sakara). In this stage statues

in the human form are introduced. The training is given to do the

sixteen upacharas (services) to these statues in human form. This

> training indicates that they have to worship the God in human

form in this way. The sixteen upacharas are actually related to the

human

> form only. For eg: the first upachara `Aavahanam' means

invitation corresponds to the human being only and not to inert

statue. The statue in the temple is better than the statue in your

house.

>

> Why? Because in the temple the `Pranaprathista' i.e., initiation

of

> life is done to the statue. This again indicates that you have to

> worship the statue with life. The concept is the inert statue

plus

> life is equal to human being. Therefore in the temple the statue

> indicates that you have to worship the statue with life i.e., the

> human form of God only. Like this you are slowly trained to

worship

> the human form of the God by the sixteen upacharas. In this

training

> when your egoism and jealousy is completely destroyed now the

human

> form of the God is introduced. Unless your egoism and jealousy

are

> completely destroyed you cannot accept the human form directly.

So

> the worship of the inert statue in the human form introduces the

> concept of human form, then the initiation of life (Prana

pratishta)

> introduces the concept of living human form. Thus this is a

gradual

> transformation of you by reducing your egoism and jealousy. When

> your egoism and jealousy are completely removed, the final human

> form of God is introduced. Only a particular man like Lord

Krishna

> is God. This is Advaita philosophy, which is extended to every

man

> due to the same jealousy and egoism. If every man is God, nobody

> requires salvation.

>

> Like this when you are travelling from vacant space to formless

> energy or power then you are accepting the human form but without

> life which is a statue in your house. In the same stage you are

> accepting the statue plus life in the temple, which means only a

> living human form. Finally you are catching the God in the

present

> living human form. Whatever I preached here is having the best

> practical proof. Hanuman, the greatest of the human beings in

this

> world worshipped Rama only who was a living human being in his

time.

> He did not go down i.e.; he never meditated upon the formless God

or

> the statues. In Valmiki Ramayana such things are not mentioned.

He

> never worshipped even previous human incarnations like `Vamana'.

He

> worshipped only the human incarnation present in his generation.

>

> Similarly Radha never worshipped `Rama' but worshipped only

Krishna

> who was the human incarnation of her generation. As per

Bhagavatham

> Radha also never worshipped the statues or the formless God.

Hanuman

> became Brahma and Radha became the queen of the 15th World

`Goloka'.

> Nobody in this world will attain a better position than these

two.

> So your spiritual journey must end in recognizing the human

> incarnation of God present in your generation. God is impartial

and

> so He comes down in human form in every generation. If you say

Lord

> Krishna is only the latest incarnation, then that generation was

> blessed and God became partial. Therefore God is coming in human

> form in every human generation. People are not recognizing Him

> because after the incarnation of Krishna the egoism and jealousy

are

> growing continuously in all the human beings. The man did not

> recognize the God coming in human form after Krishna. After

Krishna

> and before `Kalki' is `Kaliyuga'. Due to the influence of the

`Kali'

> people are full of egoism and jealousy and so they cannot

recognize

> the human form of God in `Kaliyuga'.

>

> God comes in different human forms in the same time in various

> levels for the sake of devotees in various levels. He comes as a

> schoolteacher for the school students, as a lecturer for the

college

> students and as a Professor for the post graduate students. Since

> the school students and college students are large in number he

> comes down as a number of schoolteachers and college lecturers.

Such

> incarnations are called as `Amsavataras', which mean the

> incarnations of a small portion of His power. The incarnation of

His

> radiation is called `Kalavatara' which is the formless God like

> light worshipped by some believers. The light travels as waves

and

> the Siva Linga in the temple represents this formless God. Since

the

> Post graduation students are less in number only one professor

comes

> down and He is the `Pari poorna tamavathara' i.e., the most

complete

> incarnation, which reveals the final true knowledge. He is

> called `Satguru' or the original Datta in the human form.

>

> Datta exists in two forms. 1) The three headed form. 2) One

headed

> form. The three headed form indicates `Para brahma' (God) who

> creates, rules and destroys the Universe by His three faces. The

> other single headed form is the external human form in which the

> three-headed form exists as the internal form, which is not seen.

> This is the essence of the `Eka Mukha Datta' (One headed from)

> and `Trimukha Datta' (The three headed form). Therefore the

> Schoolteacher shows miracles and converts the atheist into

theist.

> The college lecturer trains the theists in the worship of the

> statues having human form to remove ego and jealousy in the man

and

> make him a devotee. The last university professor gives the final

> true knowledge that God comes down in human form only and that He

> (the professor) Himself is God.

>

> at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> surya

> www.universal-spirituality.org

>

> "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Please take this rightly (as opposed to wrongly! Duh!!)

> > We should not mix metaphors. They cause problems!

> > Simply stated: Temples are not Gods!

>

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Dear Krishnan ji,

 

You are truly blessed and it shows through so clearly. And you touch

and bless others through your sharing. May all your wishes come true!

 

RR

 

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Shri RRji,

> Tara Mandir is on the top of himalayan ranges.For my official

erranda with some colleagues we had visited Himachal pradesh.on the

way back,we decided to go on to the top of the hill.people said as it

a steep hill,driving would be very very arduous.we some how made it a

point to reach to the top of the hill.There the it is the sakti

mandir .people worship during navaratri days regularly.otherwise

there is a trust which takes care of the activities.The temple is

very serene and has real scenic beauty with mountain ranges.we could

not thought over a bhandara there but they serve fresh and hot food

with 2-3 items as that particular day they had anushtan also.some of

these things are difficult to be believed.In my case ,the transit

ofsun into dhanshta into 2nd charan always leads ro strain and

invloves risks.when there was a big hail storm,with land falls took

place few hours before we ventured to ride to the top of hills.it is

worth to risk and have darshan and spend time

> even though the idol there is not imposing.such experiences are

rare and difficult to be effaced from thoughts.I vowed later to visit

the tara mandir if some of my wishes fulfil with my wife too.

> my saturn dasa with venus antar posited 8th risks are there and

set backs are there,worth all happenigs to undergo.my fifth lord from

moon in 7th with 8th lord and lord.of moon sign is in parivartana

with seven.dasa of 7th lord and antar of 5th has many question marks

but Almighty has always something to move forward in life

> krishnan

>

> crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote:

> Krishnan ji,

>

> Where is this Tara Mandir and how does one get there? From your

> description, it sounds enchanting and worth visiting. Thanks

>

> RR

>

> , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99@> wrote:

> >

> > Sir,

> > Temples are intended to with a view to congregate and worship.A

> place intended for religious pursuit with an installed through

> pranapratishta and energise for people to find solace and seek

> fulfilment of wishes through enhanced self effort and

> confidence.temples and Gods are inseperable.

> > may be worth to cite my accidental experience at Tara Mandir

built

> at the top of a hil nearly at 8000ft and existing almost in

> clouds.the temple is as old as 400 years with

> > a priest doing sevas.The bliss one gets in such places is to be

> experienced to be believed.

> > Temples serve for causes and give solace

> > krishnan

> >

> > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > Surya,

> >

> > the picture may be inbetween what you feel on atheist turned

> beliver, rarely atheists change may be an ignorant, or dormant

> devotee waiting for a direction or the light to enlighten him was

> not there around.

> >

> > About Idol worship, temple worships

> >

> > Idols serve 2 roles one is to create a centeral point to focus,

> concenterate upon 2 is identity.

> >

> > focus is important when so many thoughts keep rattling your

mind

> or crossing your mind you need a reminder onthe one form in tront

of

> you, once you are colse to it then other thoughts dissappear, only

> when your mind is free you get fresh thoughts, inputs.

> > just like you can fill in as much water in a container as the

> space in it, if it has some salt water, or dirty water can you

fill

> rest of it with drinking water no you empty it clean and fill

FRESH

> WATER.

> >

> > like wise identifying god in an idol has some ayurvedha role

too

> you identify some parts, chakras in the prayers and thus re-

energise

> those parts in your own system that needs attention, maintainance

> often to be in a good receptive state to almighty's inputs.

> > these are not forcing you, these are facilators.

> >

> > (the prana prathistha is one such tool as it is combined energy

> of the people around looking after its welfare along with divine

> energy needs to be charged with kumbabishekams once in a while, if

> you can maintain the idols at home in such fasthion it can also

work

> same way, for generations it has to pass on without a break. there

> are families doing it at home even now).

> >

> >

> > and after a stage the physical pointers or idols are not

> requirted you have the mental idol then that too disappears you

are

> with the major idol or within the main idol floating all over it,

> like how the infant will be feeling its parents, enjoy total bliss.

> >

> > I am from a atheist, rationalist lineage.

> >

> > so this is very little I can say

> > surya <dattapr2000@> wrote: The atheist says that God does

> not exist. For him God is nothing i.e., vacant space. This is the

> first stage. When he sees miracles he becomes the believer in God.

> He accepts God as some power or energy. The power or energy is

also

> formless, like vacant space. So the concept of God is near to his

> previous concept and thus the atheist (Scientist) accepts the

> formless (Nirakara) God very easily.

> > The third stage is God with form (Sakara). In this stage

statues

> in the human form are introduced. The training is given to do the

> sixteen upacharas (services) to these statues in human form. This

> > training indicates that they have to worship the God in human

> form in this way. The sixteen upacharas are actually related to

the

> human

> > form only. For eg: the first upachara `Aavahanam' means

> invitation corresponds to the human being only and not to inert

> statue. The statue in the temple is better than the statue in your

> house.

> >

> > Why? Because in the temple the `Pranaprathista' i.e.,

initiation

> of

> > life is done to the statue. This again indicates that you have

to

> > worship the statue with life. The concept is the inert statue

> plus

> > life is equal to human being. Therefore in the temple the

statue

> > indicates that you have to worship the statue with life i.e.,

the

> > human form of God only. Like this you are slowly trained to

> worship

> > the human form of the God by the sixteen upacharas. In this

> training

> > when your egoism and jealousy is completely destroyed now the

> human

> > form of the God is introduced. Unless your egoism and jealousy

> are

> > completely destroyed you cannot accept the human form directly.

> So

> > the worship of the inert statue in the human form introduces

the

> > concept of human form, then the initiation of life (Prana

> pratishta)

> > introduces the concept of living human form. Thus this is a

> gradual

> > transformation of you by reducing your egoism and jealousy.

When

> > your egoism and jealousy are completely removed, the final

human

> > form of God is introduced. Only a particular man like Lord

> Krishna

> > is God. This is Advaita philosophy, which is extended to every

> man

> > due to the same jealousy and egoism. If every man is God,

nobody

> > requires salvation.

> >

> > Like this when you are travelling from vacant space to formless

> > energy or power then you are accepting the human form but

without

> > life which is a statue in your house. In the same stage you are

> > accepting the statue plus life in the temple, which means only

a

> > living human form. Finally you are catching the God in the

> present

> > living human form. Whatever I preached here is having the best

> > practical proof. Hanuman, the greatest of the human beings in

> this

> > world worshipped Rama only who was a living human being in his

> time.

> > He did not go down i.e.; he never meditated upon the formless

God

> or

> > the statues. In Valmiki Ramayana such things are not mentioned.

> He

> > never worshipped even previous human incarnations like

`Vamana'.

> He

> > worshipped only the human incarnation present in his

generation.

> >

> > Similarly Radha never worshipped `Rama' but worshipped only

> Krishna

> > who was the human incarnation of her generation. As per

> Bhagavatham

> > Radha also never worshipped the statues or the formless God.

> Hanuman

> > became Brahma and Radha became the queen of the 15th World

> `Goloka'.

> > Nobody in this world will attain a better position than these

> two.

> > So your spiritual journey must end in recognizing the human

> > incarnation of God present in your generation. God is impartial

> and

> > so He comes down in human form in every generation. If you say

> Lord

> > Krishna is only the latest incarnation, then that generation

was

> > blessed and God became partial. Therefore God is coming in

human

> > form in every human generation. People are not recognizing Him

> > because after the incarnation of Krishna the egoism and

jealousy

> are

> > growing continuously in all the human beings. The man did not

> > recognize the God coming in human form after Krishna. After

> Krishna

> > and before `Kalki' is `Kaliyuga'. Due to the influence of the

> `Kali'

> > people are full of egoism and jealousy and so they cannot

> recognize

> > the human form of God in `Kaliyuga'.

> >

> > God comes in different human forms in the same time in various

> > levels for the sake of devotees in various levels. He comes as

a

> > schoolteacher for the school students, as a lecturer for the

> college

> > students and as a Professor for the post graduate students.

Since

> > the school students and college students are large in number he

> > comes down as a number of schoolteachers and college lecturers.

> Such

> > incarnations are called as `Amsavataras', which mean the

> > incarnations of a small portion of His power. The incarnation

of

> His

> > radiation is called `Kalavatara' which is the formless God like

> > light worshipped by some believers. The light travels as waves

> and

> > the Siva Linga in the temple represents this formless God.

Since

> the

> > Post graduation students are less in number only one professor

> comes

> > down and He is the `Pari poorna tamavathara' i.e., the most

> complete

> > incarnation, which reveals the final true knowledge. He is

> > called `Satguru' or the original Datta in the human form.

> >

> > Datta exists in two forms. 1) The three headed form. 2) One

> headed

> > form. The three headed form indicates `Para brahma' (God) who

> > creates, rules and destroys the Universe by His three faces.

The

> > other single headed form is the external human form in which

the

> > three-headed form exists as the internal form, which is not

seen.

> > This is the essence of the `Eka Mukha Datta' (One headed from)

> > and `Trimukha Datta' (The three headed form). Therefore the

> > Schoolteacher shows miracles and converts the atheist into

> theist.

> > The college lecturer trains the theists in the worship of the

> > statues having human form to remove ego and jealousy in the man

> and

> > make him a devotee. The last university professor gives the

final

> > true knowledge that God comes down in human form only and that

He

> > (the professor) Himself is God.

> >

> > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> > surya

> > www.universal-spirituality.org

> >

> > "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Please take this rightly (as opposed to wrongly! Duh!!)

> > > We should not mix metaphors. They cause problems!

> > > Simply stated: Temples are not Gods!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

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dear friends

 

like the tara mandir mentioned by krishnan ji there are so many

temples full of mystyrious miracles across the globe. for example

in the same himachal pradesh, there is a steep hill atop which is

bijilee mahadev shivling. this shivling absorbs all the lightenings

that struck the hills and the valley surrounding that region. the

shivling also gets broken in that process and the local poojaris,

keep applying butter (makhan) on it and the shivlinga joins intact.

it is incredible but true. the most famous shrine in himachal is

jwaladevi where a fire comes in water in a cave. emperor Akbar

tried his best to extinguish the fire by all means of force but

failed after which he folded his hands to the jwala devi and gifted

a golden umbrella which is still there.

 

similar is the story of lord amarnath in kashmir which is the most

miraculous shivling anywhere in the world. even during the summers

where the maximum temperature is twenty degrees C and minimum

temperature is five degrees C and no scientific reason for ice to be

formed and stay in ice form, on a rock in a cave an ice shivling is

formed naturally which varies from one feet to fifteen feet. they

are neither stalgmites nor stalactites and have no lime or any other

substance EXCEPT PURE ICE AND WATER. i have been visiting this

shrine for the past 13 years and have seen hundreds of miracles

which are incomprehensible even in mythology. earlier we were

allowed to touch the shivling also. this year due to the ever

increasing rush year after year, the government has decided to allow

two months darshan and tentatively it starts from 11th june 2006

till mid august 2006.

 

with best wishes

arjun

 

 

 

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Shri RRji,

> Tara Mandir is on the top of himalayan ranges.For my official

erranda with some colleagues we had visited Himachal pradesh.on the

way back,we decided to go on to the top of the hill.people said as

it a steep hill,driving would be very very arduous.we some how made

it a point to reach to the top of the hill.There the it is the sakti

mandir .people worship during navaratri days regularly.otherwise

there is a trust which takes care of the activities.The temple is

very serene and has real scenic beauty with mountain ranges.we could

not thought over a bhandara there but they serve fresh and hot food

with 2-3 items as that particular day they had anushtan also.some of

these things are difficult to be believed.In my case ,the transit

ofsun into dhanshta into 2nd charan always leads ro strain and

invloves risks.when there was a big hail storm,with land falls took

place few hours before we ventured to ride to the top of hills.it is

worth to risk and have darshan and spend time

> even though the idol there is not imposing.such experiences are

rare and difficult to be effaced from thoughts.I vowed later to

visit the tara mandir if some of my wishes fulfil with my wife too.

> my saturn dasa with venus antar posited 8th risks are there and

set backs are there,worth all happenigs to undergo.my fifth lord

from moon in 7th with 8th lord and lord.of moon sign is in

parivartana with seven.dasa of 7th lord and antar of 5th has many

question marks but Almighty has always something to move forward in

life

> krishnan

>

> crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote:

> Krishnan ji,

>

> Where is this Tara Mandir and how does one get there? From your

> description, it sounds enchanting and worth visiting. Thanks

>

> RR

>

> , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99@> wrote:

> >

> > Sir,

> > Temples are intended to with a view to congregate and

worship.A

> place intended for religious pursuit with an installed through

> pranapratishta and energise for people to find solace and seek

> fulfilment of wishes through enhanced self effort and

> confidence.temples and Gods are inseperable.

> > may be worth to cite my accidental experience at Tara Mandir

built

> at the top of a hil nearly at 8000ft and existing almost in

> clouds.the temple is as old as 400 years with

> > a priest doing sevas.The bliss one gets in such places is to be

> experienced to be believed.

> > Temples serve for causes and give solace

> > krishnan

> >

> > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > Surya,

> >

> > the picture may be inbetween what you feel on atheist turned

> beliver, rarely atheists change may be an ignorant, or dormant

> devotee waiting for a direction or the light to enlighten him

was

> not there around.

> >

> > About Idol worship, temple worships

> >

> > Idols serve 2 roles one is to create a centeral point to

focus,

> concenterate upon 2 is identity.

> >

> > focus is important when so many thoughts keep rattling your

mind

> or crossing your mind you need a reminder onthe one form in tront

of

> you, once you are colse to it then other thoughts dissappear,

only

> when your mind is free you get fresh thoughts, inputs.

> > just like you can fill in as much water in a container as the

> space in it, if it has some salt water, or dirty water can you

fill

> rest of it with drinking water no you empty it clean and fill

FRESH

> WATER.

> >

> > like wise identifying god in an idol has some ayurvedha role

too

> you identify some parts, chakras in the prayers and thus re-

energise

> those parts in your own system that needs attention, maintainance

> often to be in a good receptive state to almighty's inputs.

> > these are not forcing you, these are facilators.

> >

> > (the prana prathistha is one such tool as it is combined

energy

> of the people around looking after its welfare along with divine

> energy needs to be charged with kumbabishekams once in a while,

if

> you can maintain the idols at home in such fasthion it can also

work

> same way, for generations it has to pass on without a break.

there

> are families doing it at home even now).

> >

> >

> > and after a stage the physical pointers or idols are not

> requirted you have the mental idol then that too disappears you

are

> with the major idol or within the main idol floating all over it,

> like how the infant will be feeling its parents, enjoy total

bliss.

> >

> > I am from a atheist, rationalist lineage.

> >

> > so this is very little I can say

> > surya <dattapr2000@> wrote: The atheist says that God does

> not exist. For him God is nothing i.e., vacant space. This is the

> first stage. When he sees miracles he becomes the believer in

God.

> He accepts God as some power or energy. The power or energy is

also

> formless, like vacant space. So the concept of God is near to his

> previous concept and thus the atheist (Scientist) accepts the

> formless (Nirakara) God very easily.

> > The third stage is God with form (Sakara). In this stage

statues

> in the human form are introduced. The training is given to do the

> sixteen upacharas (services) to these statues in human form. This

> > training indicates that they have to worship the God in human

> form in this way. The sixteen upacharas are actually related to

the

> human

> > form only. For eg: the first upachara `Aavahanam' means

> invitation corresponds to the human being only and not to inert

> statue. The statue in the temple is better than the statue in

your

> house.

> >

> > Why? Because in the temple the `Pranaprathista' i.e.,

initiation

> of

> > life is done to the statue. This again indicates that you have

to

> > worship the statue with life. The concept is the inert statue

> plus

> > life is equal to human being. Therefore in the temple the

statue

> > indicates that you have to worship the statue with life i.e.,

the

> > human form of God only. Like this you are slowly trained to

> worship

> > the human form of the God by the sixteen upacharas. In this

> training

> > when your egoism and jealousy is completely destroyed now the

> human

> > form of the God is introduced. Unless your egoism and jealousy

> are

> > completely destroyed you cannot accept the human form

directly.

> So

> > the worship of the inert statue in the human form introduces

the

> > concept of human form, then the initiation of life (Prana

> pratishta)

> > introduces the concept of living human form. Thus this is a

> gradual

> > transformation of you by reducing your egoism and jealousy.

When

> > your egoism and jealousy are completely removed, the final

human

> > form of God is introduced. Only a particular man like Lord

> Krishna

> > is God. This is Advaita philosophy, which is extended to every

> man

> > due to the same jealousy and egoism. If every man is God,

nobody

> > requires salvation.

> >

> > Like this when you are travelling from vacant space to

formless

> > energy or power then you are accepting the human form but

without

> > life which is a statue in your house. In the same stage you

are

> > accepting the statue plus life in the temple, which means only

a

> > living human form. Finally you are catching the God in the

> present

> > living human form. Whatever I preached here is having the best

> > practical proof. Hanuman, the greatest of the human beings in

> this

> > world worshipped Rama only who was a living human being in his

> time.

> > He did not go down i.e.; he never meditated upon the formless

God

> or

> > the statues. In Valmiki Ramayana such things are not

mentioned.

> He

> > never worshipped even previous human incarnations like

`Vamana'.

> He

> > worshipped only the human incarnation present in his

generation.

> >

> > Similarly Radha never worshipped `Rama' but worshipped only

> Krishna

> > who was the human incarnation of her generation. As per

> Bhagavatham

> > Radha also never worshipped the statues or the formless God.

> Hanuman

> > became Brahma and Radha became the queen of the 15th World

> `Goloka'.

> > Nobody in this world will attain a better position than these

> two.

> > So your spiritual journey must end in recognizing the human

> > incarnation of God present in your generation. God is

impartial

> and

> > so He comes down in human form in every generation. If you say

> Lord

> > Krishna is only the latest incarnation, then that generation

was

> > blessed and God became partial. Therefore God is coming in

human

> > form in every human generation. People are not recognizing Him

> > because after the incarnation of Krishna the egoism and

jealousy

> are

> > growing continuously in all the human beings. The man did not

> > recognize the God coming in human form after Krishna. After

> Krishna

> > and before `Kalki' is `Kaliyuga'. Due to the influence of the

> `Kali'

> > people are full of egoism and jealousy and so they cannot

> recognize

> > the human form of God in `Kaliyuga'.

> >

> > God comes in different human forms in the same time in various

> > levels for the sake of devotees in various levels. He comes as

a

> > schoolteacher for the school students, as a lecturer for the

> college

> > students and as a Professor for the post graduate students.

Since

> > the school students and college students are large in number

he

> > comes down as a number of schoolteachers and college

lecturers.

> Such

> > incarnations are called as `Amsavataras', which mean the

> > incarnations of a small portion of His power. The incarnation

of

> His

> > radiation is called `Kalavatara' which is the formless God

like

> > light worshipped by some believers. The light travels as waves

> and

> > the Siva Linga in the temple represents this formless God.

Since

> the

> > Post graduation students are less in number only one professor

> comes

> > down and He is the `Pari poorna tamavathara' i.e., the most

> complete

> > incarnation, which reveals the final true knowledge. He is

> > called `Satguru' or the original Datta in the human form.

> >

> > Datta exists in two forms. 1) The three headed form. 2) One

> headed

> > form. The three headed form indicates `Para brahma' (God) who

> > creates, rules and destroys the Universe by His three faces.

The

> > other single headed form is the external human form in which

the

> > three-headed form exists as the internal form, which is not

seen.

> > This is the essence of the `Eka Mukha Datta' (One headed from)

> > and `Trimukha Datta' (The three headed form). Therefore the

> > Schoolteacher shows miracles and converts the atheist into

> theist.

> > The college lecturer trains the theists in the worship of the

> > statues having human form to remove ego and jealousy in the

man

> and

> > make him a devotee. The last university professor gives the

final

> > true knowledge that God comes down in human form only and that

He

> > (the professor) Himself is God.

> >

> > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> > surya

> > www.universal-spirituality.org

> >

> > "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Please take this rightly (as opposed to wrongly! Duh!!)

> > > We should not mix metaphors. They cause problems!

> > > Simply stated: Temples are not Gods!

> >

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