Guest guest Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 Indians, particularly, are sacrificing words through prayers and feelings through expression of love for the sake of God. When the question of wealth or money comes they sacrifice it for the sake of their families only. This is the reason why India suffers with poverty. Swami Vivekananda wept loudly facing the sky asking; "Why India with such high spiritual knowledge is suffering with poverty?" The foreigners are not so well in prayers and expression of love or meditation compared to Indians but they sacrifice their money for the sake of God with full vigor. Therefore God blesses the foreign countries with wealth and prosperity. Indians sacrifice words and mind only to God. Therefore Indians are blessed with very good pronunciation of language and excellent knowledge, which are connected to the words and mind. Gita says `Ye Yatha Mam Prapadyante' which means that God gives you result in the same way in which you worship Him. If you worship Him with words (prayers) only He will also appreciate you with sweet words. If you love Him with your mind and concentrate with meditation, He will also love you in turn with high concentration of mind. If you sacrifice practically, He will also do everything to you practically. Indians must learn this practical sacrifice from foreigners as they have learnt the science and technology from the West. Even in the olden days, Indians were always doing exercises in theoretical knowledge of God and in composing lot of poems on God. Therefore the same attitude entered even their education of science. They have become theorists even in science. The foreigners were less theoretical and more practical in spiritual things and therefore that attitude entered their scientific education also and the foreigners have become the real practical scientists. Let Indians not be proud that they are the masters in the spiritualism if not in science. Though I am born in India, I deny this. The Indians should follow the foreigners not only in science but also in spiritualism by learning the practical aspect of the materialistic as well as divine knowledge. Today, in the world everybody agrees that the real power is the money only. Money is the fruit of work and Bhagavatgita calls sacrifice of money "Karma Phala Tyaga". In Bhagavatgita it is said "Dhyanat Karma Phala Tyagah" which means that devotion is greater than Knowledge and sacrifice of the fruit of the work (money) is greater than the devotion. Knowledge consists of intelligence and words. Devotion consists of mind and words. Sacrifice consists of heart and love. The proof of the love is the practical service, which is the practical sacrifice of work or money. For the propagation of the divine knowledge and devotion the money is needed to publish the gospel in the form of books. When you sacrifice your money for the divine work your treasure in the heaven is built up. This means that God will help you after your death and you will enter the kingdom of God. You are giving your earnings to your family only and so your real love is on your family only. There is no need of any further argument on this point because it is very clear proof. This is the real fire test for your love. You are sacrificing valueless words and valueless mind in leisure, which is valueless time. This cannot prove the real value of God. You must give real value to God. You are finishing your prayers and meditation on God as soon as the time to go to job is nearing. Similarly when some work for the family is approaching, you are immediately leaving the presence of God. Therefore you are not giving any value to God for all practical purpose. But you are telling lies in your prayers that God is everything for you. The money is the final test and it can be the only test also since all the family is associated with you for money only and the family serves you in your old age for your money only. If the money is sacrificed to God your real color of love can be seen. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2006 Report Share Posted April 14, 2006 Dear Surya ji, is this the concluding part?why sacrifice? why not detachment to wealth Earn what you can and live with what ever is in your possession and lead a most satwic life if at all any sacrifice is needed it is only the ego that is to be sacrifice through worship and self realisation and nothing else krishna surya <dattapr2000 wrote: Indians, particularly, are sacrificing words through prayers and feelings through expression of love for the sake of God. When the question of wealth or money comes they sacrifice it for the sake of their families only. This is the reason why India suffers with poverty. Swami Vivekananda wept loudly facing the sky asking; "Why India with such high spiritual knowledge is suffering with poverty?" The foreigners are not so well in prayers and expression of love or meditation compared to Indians but they sacrifice their money for the sake of God with full vigor. Therefore God blesses the foreign countries with wealth and prosperity. Indians sacrifice words and mind only to God. Therefore Indians are blessed with very good pronunciation of language and excellent knowledge, which are connected to the words and mind. Gita says `Ye Yatha Mam Prapadyante' which means that God gives you result in the same way in which you worship Him. If you worship Him with words (prayers) only He will also appreciate you with sweet words. If you love Him with your mind and concentrate with meditation, He will also love you in turn with high concentration of mind. If you sacrifice practically, He will also do everything to you practically. Indians must learn this practical sacrifice from foreigners as they have learnt the science and technology from the West. Even in the olden days, Indians were always doing exercises in theoretical knowledge of God and in composing lot of poems on God. Therefore the same attitude entered even their education of science. They have become theorists even in science. The foreigners were less theoretical and more practical in spiritual things and therefore that attitude entered their scientific education also and the foreigners have become the real practical scientists. Let Indians not be proud that they are the masters in the spiritualism if not in science. Though I am born in India, I deny this. The Indians should follow the foreigners not only in science but also in spiritualism by learning the practical aspect of the materialistic as well as divine knowledge. Today, in the world everybody agrees that the real power is the money only. Money is the fruit of work and Bhagavatgita calls sacrifice of money "Karma Phala Tyaga". In Bhagavatgita it is said "Dhyanat Karma Phala Tyagah" which means that devotion is greater than Knowledge and sacrifice of the fruit of the work (money) is greater than the devotion. Knowledge consists of intelligence and words. Devotion consists of mind and words. Sacrifice consists of heart and love. The proof of the love is the practical service, which is the practical sacrifice of work or money. For the propagation of the divine knowledge and devotion the money is needed to publish the gospel in the form of books. When you sacrifice your money for the divine work your treasure in the heaven is built up. This means that God will help you after your death and you will enter the kingdom of God. You are giving your earnings to your family only and so your real love is on your family only. There is no need of any further argument on this point because it is very clear proof. This is the real fire test for your love. You are sacrificing valueless words and valueless mind in leisure, which is valueless time. This cannot prove the real value of God. You must give real value to God. You are finishing your prayers and meditation on God as soon as the time to go to job is nearing. Similarly when some work for the family is approaching, you are immediately leaving the presence of God. Therefore you are not giving any value to God for all practical purpose. But you are telling lies in your prayers that God is everything for you. The money is the final test and it can be the only test also since all the family is associated with you for money only and the family serves you in your old age for your money only. If the money is sacrificed to God your real color of love can be seen. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Visit your group "" on the web. Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2006 Report Share Posted April 14, 2006 Q) Sacrificing the ambition on the fruit of the work is sufficient. It is not necessary to sacrifice the fruit of the work as per Gita. Is it not correct? A) In the very beginning itself (second Adhyaya) Gita says that the fruit of the work must be sacrificed (Karmajam Buddhi Yuktahi Phalam Tyaktva Maneeshinah). This means that realized scholars sacrifice the fruit of the work. Gita keeps sacrifice of the fruit of the work on the top most level (Dhyanath Karma Phala Tyagah). According to Veda sacrifice of fruit of work means sacrifice of money only (Dhanena Tyagenaike). Karma Phalam means self-earned money with which the man is more attached. Reason for the inability to do the sacrifice of fruit of work (Karma Phala Tyaga) is the selfish ambition for the fruit of the work. Therefore if the selfish ambition is removed, the fruit of the work can be easily sacrificed. It is funny to enjoy the fruit of work and say that he has no ambition for the fruit of the work. In such case you must also enjoy the fruit of your sin in the hell i.e., cutting of your muscles by knife etc., without any selfish ambition. Saktuprastha was tested in the sacrifice of the fruit of the work, which alone can prove the lack of selfish ambition for the fruit of the work. If one says that he has sacrificed the ambition for the fruit of the work and yet, enjoys the fruit of work is trying to fool the author of Gita. In turn the Lord will fool him in the hell. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Surya ji, > is this the concluding part?why sacrifice? why not detachment to wealth Earn what you can and live with what ever is in your possession and lead a most satwic life if at all any sacrifice is needed it is only the ego that is to be sacrifice through worship and self realisation and nothing else > krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2006 Report Share Posted April 14, 2006 Dear Sri Surya ji, 'Karma Phalam means self-earned money with which the man is more attached." it means anything for which one is entitled and due. Reason in every when we visualise only money we remember and interpret as money.Karma phalam is what Almighty bestows based on his efforts krishnan surya <dattapr2000 wrote: Q) Sacrificing the ambition on the fruit of the work is sufficient. It is not necessary to sacrifice the fruit of the work as per Gita. Is it not correct? A) In the very beginning itself (second Adhyaya) Gita says that the fruit of the work must be sacrificed (Karmajam Buddhi Yuktahi Phalam Tyaktva Maneeshinah). This means that realized scholars sacrifice the fruit of the work. Gita keeps sacrifice of the fruit of the work on the top most level (Dhyanath Karma Phala Tyagah). According to Veda sacrifice of fruit of work means sacrifice of money only (Dhanena Tyagenaike). Karma Phalam means self-earned money with which the man is more attached. Reason for the inability to do the sacrifice of fruit of work (Karma Phala Tyaga) is the selfish ambition for the fruit of the work. Therefore if the selfish ambition is removed, the fruit of the work can be easily sacrificed. It is funny to enjoy the fruit of work and say that he has no ambition for the fruit of the work. In such case you must also enjoy the fruit of your sin in the hell i.e., cutting of your muscles by knife etc., without any selfish ambition. Saktuprastha was tested in the sacrifice of the fruit of the work, which alone can prove the lack of selfish ambition for the fruit of the work. If one says that he has sacrificed the ambition for the fruit of the work and yet, enjoys the fruit of work is trying to fool the author of Gita. In turn the Lord will fool him in the hell. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Surya ji, > is this the concluding part?why sacrifice? why not detachment to wealth Earn what you can and live with what ever is in your possession and lead a most satwic life if at all any sacrifice is needed it is only the ego that is to be sacrifice through worship and self realisation and nothing else > krishna SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "" on the web. Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Messenger with Voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2006 Report Share Posted April 14, 2006 Namaskaar Sri Surya If Artha is achieved through Dharma, it is in spirit of Yagna. Sacrifice the fruit of work is a new interpretation of Gita. What Gita says is simple - Accept whatever comes. This is called Prassadha Buddhi. As the result of actions come from the Lord. This means you will not be sad or joyful by any result. You will accept the result as Prasada from the Lord. This is called the spirit of Yagna, as you burn your karmas and do not generate new ones. To have wealth through dharma, is a pious goal. The wrong attitude towards wealth is a problem. Wealth attained through adharma is a problem. One must give only that much value to wealth that is required. Not more, not less. If you further think, Raja Janaka did not give away his kingdom Mithila nor did Sri Krishna gave up his. Now, Your whole question is based on want for wealth. You are saying that India is poor because indians haven't sacrificed the fruits of actions. Which essentially means that you want riches for India. Why do you want riches for India, because by your very definition, India should, then, sacrifice these riches! Amazing contradiction and yet we have to hear this everyday from psuedo-spiritualists. Furthermore, America, Norway, Switzerland, Germany are all considered rich. I haven't seen them sacrificing any fruit of the action. So kindly listen - India is poor and slowly coming out of it. India is poor as we did not rob any country of their land nor did we go looting other people in other countries. India is poor because we did not kill the native inhabitants of any new land that they discovered and called it their own (Like Europeans have done to Australia, South Africa, South America, North America, and so on and so forth). India is poor because when its people needed to unite against the invaders like Mughals, Mongols, and the British, they were fighting with their own kind. India is poor because people like the Queen of England still has the Kohinoor diamond set in her crown when she very well knows that it belongs to India. The same is the story of Hope diamond that was stolen from a Vishnu Temple. India is poor because we let others come and convert our beliefs, our culture and our way of thinking and we are protecting the same through quotas and what not. Well this is about material wealth. Spiritual wealth is guarded by great saints and mahatmas, who are living proof of the words of the Vedas. We will be truly poor in every sense, if we loose that wealth. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 4/14/06, surya <dattapr2000 wrote: > > Q) Sacrificing the ambition on the fruit of the work is sufficient. > It is not necessary to sacrifice the fruit of the work as per Gita. > Is it not correct? > > A) In the very beginning itself (second Adhyaya) Gita says that the > fruit of the work must be sacrificed (Karmajam Buddhi Yuktahi Phalam > Tyaktva Maneeshinah). This means that realized scholars sacrifice > the fruit of the work. Gita keeps sacrifice of the fruit of the work > on the top most level (Dhyanath Karma Phala Tyagah). According to > Veda sacrifice of fruit of work means sacrifice of money only > (Dhanena Tyagenaike). Karma Phalam means self-earned money with > which the man is more attached. Reason for the inability to do the > sacrifice of fruit of work (Karma Phala Tyaga) is the selfish > ambition for the fruit of the work. Therefore if the selfish > ambition is removed, the fruit of the work can be easily sacrificed. > > It is funny to enjoy the fruit of work and say that he has no > ambition for the fruit of the work. In such case you must also enjoy > the fruit of your sin in the hell i.e., cutting of your muscles by > knife etc., without any selfish ambition. > > Saktuprastha was tested in the sacrifice of the fruit of the work, > which alone can prove the lack of selfish ambition for the fruit of > the work. If one says that he has sacrificed the ambition for the > fruit of the work and yet, enjoys the fruit of work is trying to > fool the author of Gita. In turn the Lord will fool him in the hell. > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > surya > www.universal-spirituality.org > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > > > Dear Surya ji, > > is this the concluding part?why sacrifice? why not detachment to > wealth Earn what you can and live with what ever is in your > possession and lead a most satwic life if at all any sacrifice is > needed it is only the ego that is to be sacrifice through worship > and self realisation and nothing else > > krishna > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > Vedic astrology</gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic+astrology\ &w2=Astrology+chart&w3=Astrology+software&c=3&s=66&.sig=J4qyGil5eV2i9Ap5WrCxGA> Astrology > chart</gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=\ Astrology+chart&w3=Astrology+software&c=3&s=66&.sig=wUNSPkpcCWBNKVC02XZwpA> Astrology > software</gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+software&w1=Vedic+astrolo\ gy&w2=Astrology+chart&w3=Astrology+software&c=3&s=66&.sig=3jj0XZDEwU9j8-CVSM4CLQ\ > > > ------------------------------ > > > > - Visit your group "<>" > on the web. > > - > <-@g\ roups.com?subject=Un> > > - Terms of > Service <>. > > > ------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2006 Report Share Posted April 14, 2006 Right on. Educate them. --- Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology wrote: > Namaskaar Sri Surya > > If Artha is achieved through Dharma, it is in spirit > of Yagna. Sacrifice the > fruit of work is a new interpretation of Gita. What > Gita says is simple - > Accept whatever comes. This is called Prassadha > Buddhi. As the result of > actions come from the Lord. This means you will not > be sad or joyful by any > result. You will accept the result as Prasada from > the Lord. This is called > the spirit of Yagna, as you burn your karmas and do > not generate new ones. > > To have wealth through dharma, is a pious goal. The > wrong attitude towards > wealth is a problem. Wealth attained through adharma > is a problem. One must > give only that much value to wealth that is > required. Not more, not less. > > If you further think, Raja Janaka did not give away > his kingdom Mithila nor > did Sri Krishna gave up his. > > Now, > Your whole question is based on want for wealth. You > are saying that India > is poor because indians haven't sacrificed the > fruits of actions. Which > essentially means that you want riches for India. > Why do you want riches for > India, because by your very definition, India > should, then, sacrifice these > riches! Amazing contradiction and yet we have to > hear this everyday from > psuedo-spiritualists. > > Furthermore, America, Norway, Switzerland, Germany > are all considered rich. > I haven't seen them sacrificing any fruit of the > action. So kindly listen - > India is poor and slowly coming out of it. India is > poor as we did not rob > any country of their land nor did we go looting > other people in other > countries. India is poor because we did not kill the > native inhabitants of > any new land that they discovered and called it > their own (Like Europeans > have done to Australia, South Africa, South America, > North America, and so > on and so forth). India is poor because when its > people needed to unite > against the invaders like Mughals, Mongols, and the > British, they were > fighting with their own kind. India is poor because > people like the Queen of > England still has the Kohinoor diamond set in her > crown when she very well > knows that it belongs to India. The same is the > story of Hope diamond that > was stolen from a Vishnu Temple. India is poor > because we let others come > and convert our beliefs, our culture and our way of > thinking and we are > protecting the same through quotas and what not. > Well this is about material > wealth. > > Spiritual wealth is guarded by great saints and > mahatmas, who are living > proof of the words of the Vedas. We will be truly > poor in every sense, if we > loose that wealth. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > > > > > > On 4/14/06, surya <dattapr2000 wrote: > > > > Q) Sacrificing the ambition on the fruit of the > work is sufficient. > > It is not necessary to sacrifice the fruit of the > work as per Gita. > > Is it not correct? > > > > A) In the very beginning itself (second Adhyaya) > Gita says that the > > fruit of the work must be sacrificed (Karmajam > Buddhi Yuktahi Phalam > > Tyaktva Maneeshinah). This means that realized > scholars sacrifice > > the fruit of the work. Gita keeps sacrifice of the > fruit of the work > > on the top most level (Dhyanath Karma Phala > Tyagah). According to > > Veda sacrifice of fruit of work means sacrifice of > money only > > (Dhanena Tyagenaike). Karma Phalam means > self-earned money with > > which the man is more attached. Reason for the > inability to do the > > sacrifice of fruit of work (Karma Phala Tyaga) is > the selfish > > ambition for the fruit of the work. Therefore if > the selfish > > ambition is removed, the fruit of the work can be > easily sacrificed. > > > > It is funny to enjoy the fruit of work and say > that he has no > > ambition for the fruit of the work. In such case > you must also enjoy > > the fruit of your sin in the hell i.e., cutting of > your muscles by > > knife etc., without any selfish ambition. > > > > Saktuprastha was tested in the sacrifice of the > fruit of the work, > > which alone can prove the lack of selfish ambition > for the fruit of > > the work. If one says that he has sacrificed the > ambition for the > > fruit of the work and yet, enjoys the fruit of > work is trying to > > fool the author of Gita. In turn the Lord will > fool him in the hell. > > > > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > surya > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > > > > > Dear Surya ji, > > > is this the concluding part?why sacrifice? why > not detachment to > > wealth Earn what you can and live with what ever > is in your > > possession and lead a most satwic life if at all > any sacrifice is > > needed it is only the ego that is to be sacrifice > through worship > > and self realisation and nothing else > > > krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > astrology</gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic+astrology\ &w2=Astrology+chart&w3=Astrology+software&c=3&s=66&.sig=J4qyGil5eV2i9Ap5WrCxGA> > Astrology > > > chart</gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=\ Astrology+chart&w3=Astrology+software&c=3&s=66&.sig=wUNSPkpcCWBNKVC02XZwpA> > Astrology > > > software</gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+software&w1=Vedic+astrolo\ gy&w2=Astrology+chart&w3=Astrology+software&c=3&s=66&.sig=3jj0XZDEwU9j8-CVSM4CLQ\ > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > - Visit your group > "<>" > > on the web. > > > > - To from this group, send an > email to: > > > <-@g\ roups.com?subject=Un> > > > > - Your use of is subject to the > Terms of > > Service <>. > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2006 Report Share Posted April 14, 2006 dear bharath ji your posting is the best by far in this thread on listing out the real reasons as to why India is still poor on "wealth" parameter. however, spiritual wealth is undescribable and unexplainable which still lasts with infinite holy people safeguarding this holy land. needless to retell the fact that crores of indians sacrificed their lives to protect the ram mandir and two of the jyotirlingas somnath and varanasi. thanks to iron man sardar patel, somnath is back to its original place even though the most sacred varanashi shivling continues to be in the makeshift temple instead of the original temple which is now a mosque adjacent. mathematics is something which is strong in the southern parts of the country and it is no wonder if, on an average, one member of each family is in a great IT job, in India or abroad. thanks to narayana murthy of infosys, ramalinga raju of satyam and premji of wipro (besides TCS) India has regained its lost glory as the world's # 1 country of IT professionals. slowly this niche speciality of excellence in IT is exapanding to all service sectors (including astrology!) whereby services sector is contributing maximum to the GDP and also higher employement. As per Goldman Sacchs report, Brazil, Russia, India and China would be the four most superpowers for the future. all the countires who looted material wealth from india are now standing in line to lay all their wealth at India's service professionals and the day is not far when all the wealth is returned to india directly or indiretly. FIIs from all countries are joining in their mad rush to invest in the Indian stock markets and grab their pie of "india success story". unfortunately there are some perverted people who try to paint such great motherland bharatmata and our godesses in nude to earn few dollars but such people are in minority and cannot deface the holiness of our great motherland. in praise of "bharat mata" and with best wishes arjun , "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology wrote: > > Namaskaar Sri Surya > > If Artha is achieved through Dharma, it is in spirit of Yagna. Sacrifice the > fruit of work is a new interpretation of Gita. What Gita says is simple - > Accept whatever comes. This is called Prassadha Buddhi. As the result of > actions come from the Lord. This means you will not be sad or joyful by any > result. You will accept the result as Prasada from the Lord. This is called > the spirit of Yagna, as you burn your karmas and do not generate new ones. > > To have wealth through dharma, is a pious goal. The wrong attitude towards > wealth is a problem. Wealth attained through adharma is a problem. One must > give only that much value to wealth that is required. Not more, not less. > > If you further think, Raja Janaka did not give away his kingdom Mithila nor > did Sri Krishna gave up his. > > Now, > Your whole question is based on want for wealth. You are saying that India > is poor because indians haven't sacrificed the fruits of actions. Which > essentially means that you want riches for India. Why do you want riches for > India, because by your very definition, India should, then, sacrifice these > riches! Amazing contradiction and yet we have to hear this everyday from > psuedo-spiritualists. > > Furthermore, America, Norway, Switzerland, Germany are all considered rich. > I haven't seen them sacrificing any fruit of the action. So kindly listen - > India is poor and slowly coming out of it. India is poor as we did not rob > any country of their land nor did we go looting other people in other > countries. India is poor because we did not kill the native inhabitants of > any new land that they discovered and called it their own (Like Europeans > have done to Australia, South Africa, South America, North America, and so > on and so forth). India is poor because when its people needed to unite > against the invaders like Mughals, Mongols, and the British, they were > fighting with their own kind. India is poor because people like the Queen of > England still has the Kohinoor diamond set in her crown when she very well > knows that it belongs to India. The same is the story of Hope diamond that > was stolen from a Vishnu Temple. India is poor because we let others come > and convert our beliefs, our culture and our way of thinking and we are > protecting the same through quotas and what not. Well this is about material > wealth. > > Spiritual wealth is guarded by great saints and mahatmas, who are living > proof of the words of the Vedas. We will be truly poor in every sense, if we > loose that wealth. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > > > > > > On 4/14/06, surya <dattapr2000 wrote: > > > > Q) Sacrificing the ambition on the fruit of the work is sufficient. > > It is not necessary to sacrifice the fruit of the work as per Gita. > > Is it not correct? > > > > A) In the very beginning itself (second Adhyaya) Gita says that the > > fruit of the work must be sacrificed (Karmajam Buddhi Yuktahi Phalam > > Tyaktva Maneeshinah). This means that realized scholars sacrifice > > the fruit of the work. Gita keeps sacrifice of the fruit of the work > > on the top most level (Dhyanath Karma Phala Tyagah). According to > > Veda sacrifice of fruit of work means sacrifice of money only > > (Dhanena Tyagenaike). Karma Phalam means self-earned money with > > which the man is more attached. Reason for the inability to do the > > sacrifice of fruit of work (Karma Phala Tyaga) is the selfish > > ambition for the fruit of the work. Therefore if the selfish > > ambition is removed, the fruit of the work can be easily sacrificed. > > > > It is funny to enjoy the fruit of work and say that he has no > > ambition for the fruit of the work. In such case you must also enjoy > > the fruit of your sin in the hell i.e., cutting of your muscles by > > knife etc., without any selfish ambition. > > > > Saktuprastha was tested in the sacrifice of the fruit of the work, > > which alone can prove the lack of selfish ambition for the fruit of > > the work. If one says that he has sacrificed the ambition for the > > fruit of the work and yet, enjoys the fruit of work is trying to > > fool the author of Gita. In turn the Lord will fool him in the hell. > > > > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > surya > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Surya ji, > > > is this the concluding part?why sacrifice? why not detachment to > > wealth Earn what you can and live with what ever is in your > > possession and lead a most satwic life if at all any sacrifice is > > needed it is only the ego that is to be sacrifice through worship > > and self realisation and nothing else > > > krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic astrology</gads? t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Astrology+chart&w3=Astro logy+software&c=3&s=66&.sig=J4qyGil5eV2i9Ap5WrCxGA> Astrology > > chart</gads? t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Astrology+chart&w3=Astro logy+software&c=3&s=66&.sig=wUNSPkpcCWBNKVC02XZwpA> Astrology > > software</gads? t=ms&k=Astrology+software&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Astrology+chart&w3=As trology+software&c=3&s=66&.sig=3jj0XZDEwU9j8-CVSM4CLQ> > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > - Visit your group "<Jyotish_Remedie s>" > > on the web. > > > > - > > - <- ?subject=Un> > > > > - Terms of > > Service <>. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2006 Report Share Posted April 14, 2006 Lord Krishna preached Bhagavat Gita when Arjuna craved at His feet for the divine knowledge. Expression of love in words and feelings by mind pleases Lord Krishna? If that would have been the case, why did He preach Gita consisting of 18 chapters? Through out Gita, lord stressed on Nishkama Karma Yoga. Nishkama means worshipping Lord without any desire. Karma Yoga as stressed in Gita means Service. Service consists of Karma Phala Tyaga (donating money for Lord's mission) and Karma Sanyasa (physically participating in His mission). Gita says 'Karma Yogena Yoginaam........' His mission is to uplift all the human beings by preaching the divine knowledge. Hence for the divine knowledge propagation He comes down in human form. We have to identify such Lord in human form by His divine knowledge (not by miracles because some demons also have shown miracles but sofar nobody has preached divine knowledge other than Lord in human form) and Serve Him here itself for getting Liberation. We have to identify the true path and travel in that direction even a few steps, instead of running miles and miles away from the goal (goal is pleasing the Lord). Until and unless true meaning of Gita is enquired and practiced in their own life, the author of Gita, Lord Krishna will never be pleased. Even in the worldly affairs also, Will any father please with his son if his son does not follow any of his words? Likewise Lord comes down to preach the divine knowledge and uplift the people like Krishna. If we do not listen to him nor follow His words, then how will he be pleased with us? Lord is father of all the individual souls. 'Aham Bija pradah...' Divine knowledge is for practicing and then only results flow automatically. Ofcourse true knowledge will be very harsh and that is why Lord told that one in lakhs only reaches Him. To be under the illusion that Lord is pleased with me without knowing the true knowledge is 'Cutting the foot to the size of shoe'. So let us know the TRUTH and accept in the first phase. Implementation comes later. Teacher's Job ends after the preaching. It is left to devotee's discretion to follow it or not. Lord is also not bothered whether we follow or not? Money is the fruit of work and its sacrifice for God's work is "Karma phala tyaga" as mentioned in Gita. Again, the middle age Indians twisted this word "Karma phala tyaga" as sacrifice of the fruit of the work like praying God instead of sacrifice of money. The reason was that these Indians were unable to sacrifice money to God due to their strong love on their children. Foreigners ask their children to earn after certain age. Indians store money even for ten generations and still continue to store only. Since prayers, meditation and knowledge are very much diverted to God, India was blessed by God with good language, good mind and good knowledge. Since foreigners are good in sacrifice, God blessed them with good wealth. Even Indian spiritual centres were strongly funded by foreigners only. Swami Vivekananda cried, "Why my India suffers with poverty in spite of so much spiritual knowledge?" Sacrifice of money (Karma phala tyaga) and sacrifice of work (karma Sanyasa) put together constitute the God's service, which is the real Yoga (real proof of love) called "Karma yoga" in Gita. Foreigners are the best in this karma yoga and so they easily succeed in yoga. Throughout Gita, this karma yoga was explained as yoga and wheels or lotus flowers are not at all mentioned. > Now, Your whole question is based on want for wealth. You are >saying that India is poor because indians haven't sacrificed the >fruits of actions. Which essentially means that you want riches for >India. Why do you want riches for India, because by your very >definition, India should, then, sacrifice these riches! Amazing >contradiction and yet we have to hear this everyday from > psuedo-spiritualists. if we really don't want wealth, why every indian wants to go abroad, earn in huge way and even wants to settle there? if you see the ads in papers, those are filled with overseas appointments. for going abroad, anybody is ready to do anything. Why is the craze for going abroad? it is because of the wealth and want of enjoying luxuries. If we also have the richness, nobody would have preferred to go abroad. Then where is your spirituality? all the Indian spiritual cenres are being funded extensively by foreigners only. It's a shame on our part. Indians are not funding their own spiritual centres or not funding their churches there. Swami Rama Thirtha said in USA that Indians preach philosophy and foreigners practice philosophy.that is why foreigners spiritual standards are higher than Indians. atleast let us accept the truth. Let us know our level and come out of illusion that we are masters in spirituality. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology wrote: > If Artha is achieved through Dharma, it is in spirit of Yagna. Sacrifice the fruit of work is a new interpretation of Gita. What Gita says is simple - Accept whatever comes. This is called Prassadha Buddhi. As the result of actions come from the Lord. This means you will not be sad or joyful by any result. You will accept the result as Prasada from the Lord. This is called the spirit of Yagna, as you burn your karmas and do not generate new ones. > > To have wealth through dharma, is a pious goal. The wrong attitude towards wealth is a problem. Wealth attained through adharma is a problem. One must give only that much value to wealth that is required. Not more, not less. > > If you further think, Raja Janaka did not give away his kingdom Mithila nor did Sri Krishna gave up his. > Spiritual wealth is guarded by great saints and mahatmas, who are living proof of the words of the Vedas. We will be truly poor in every sense, if we loose that wealth. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2006 Report Share Posted April 14, 2006 dear surya ji what you observed is true that most of the fundings of all godmen and their seva ashrams in india are funded by foreigners. but the reality is we are not receiving any fresh money from them. the same money which was taken away from india all these centuries is coming back to india in a different way directly or indirectly be it through funding hundreds of godmen, funding thousands of ashrams, funding thousands of NGOs, investment in stocks, setting up manufacturing plants in india (gloabl manufacturing hub) or paying trillions of dollars to Indian IT service companies and IT professionals for their services or simple call centres for all services across the globe. in other words the entire world is reaching out to india for every thing. your observation is correct that most people want only money in their youth and once they reach old age or have saved enough money, they realise that money is not everything. this is a process which is "realised" by many people only through experience and not through sermons. with best wishes arjun , "surya" <dattapr2000 wrote: > > Lord Krishna preached Bhagavat Gita when Arjuna craved at His feet > for the divine knowledge. Expression of love in words and feelings > by mind pleases Lord Krishna? If that would have been the case, why > did He preach Gita consisting of 18 chapters? Through out Gita, lord > stressed on Nishkama Karma Yoga. Nishkama means worshipping Lord > without any desire. Karma Yoga as stressed in Gita means Service. > Service consists of Karma Phala Tyaga (donating money for Lord's > mission) and Karma Sanyasa (physically participating in His > mission). Gita says 'Karma Yogena Yoginaam........' > > His mission is to uplift all the human beings by preaching the > divine knowledge. Hence for the divine knowledge propagation He > comes down in human form. We have to identify such Lord in human > form by His divine knowledge (not by miracles because some demons > also have shown miracles but sofar nobody has preached divine > knowledge other than Lord in human form) and Serve Him here itself > for getting Liberation. > > We have to identify the true path and travel in that direction even > a few steps, instead of running miles and miles away from the goal > (goal is pleasing the Lord). Until and unless true meaning of Gita > is enquired and practiced in their own life, the author of Gita, > Lord Krishna will never be pleased. > > Even in the worldly affairs also, Will any father please with his > son if his son does not follow any of his words? Likewise Lord comes > down to preach the divine knowledge and uplift the people like > Krishna. If we do not listen to him nor follow His words, then how > will he be pleased with us? Lord is father of all the individual > souls. 'Aham Bija pradah...' > > Divine knowledge is for practicing and then only results flow > automatically. Ofcourse true knowledge will be very harsh and that > is why Lord told that one in lakhs only reaches Him. To be under the > illusion that Lord is pleased with me without knowing the true > knowledge is 'Cutting the foot to the size of shoe'. So let us know > the TRUTH and accept in the first phase. Implementation comes later. > > Teacher's Job ends after the preaching. It is left to devotee's > discretion to follow it or not. Lord is also not bothered whether we > follow or not? > > Money is the fruit of work and its sacrifice for God's work > is "Karma phala tyaga" as mentioned in Gita. Again, the middle age > Indians twisted this word "Karma phala tyaga" as sacrifice of the > fruit of the work like praying God instead of sacrifice of money. > The reason was that these Indians were unable to sacrifice money to > God due to their strong love on their children. Foreigners ask their > children to earn after certain age. Indians store money even for ten > generations and still continue to store only. Since prayers, > meditation and knowledge are very much diverted to God, India was > blessed by God with good language, good mind and good knowledge. > Since foreigners are good in sacrifice, God blessed them with good > wealth. > > Even Indian spiritual centres were strongly funded by foreigners > only. Swami Vivekananda cried, "Why my India suffers with poverty in > spite of so much spiritual knowledge?" Sacrifice of money (Karma > phala tyaga) and sacrifice of work (karma Sanyasa) put together > constitute the God's service, which is the real Yoga (real proof of > love) called "Karma yoga" in Gita. Foreigners are the best in this > karma yoga and so they easily succeed in yoga. Throughout Gita, this > karma yoga was explained as yoga and wheels or lotus flowers are not > at all mentioned. > > > Now, Your whole question is based on want for wealth. You are > >saying that India is poor because indians haven't sacrificed the > >fruits of actions. Which essentially means that you want riches for > >India. Why do you want riches for India, because by your very > >definition, India should, then, sacrifice these riches! Amazing > >contradiction and yet we have to hear this everyday from > > psuedo-spiritualists. > > if we really don't want wealth, why every indian wants to go abroad, > earn in huge way and even wants to settle there? if you see the ads > in papers, those are filled with overseas appointments. for going > abroad, anybody is ready to do anything. Why is the craze for going > abroad? it is because of the wealth and want of enjoying luxuries. > If we also have the richness, nobody would have preferred to go > abroad. Then where is your spirituality? all the Indian spiritual > cenres are being funded extensively by foreigners only. It's a shame > on our part. Indians are not funding their own spiritual centres or > not funding their churches there. Swami Rama Thirtha said in USA > that Indians preach philosophy and foreigners practice > philosophy.that is why foreigners spiritual standards are higher > than Indians. atleast let us accept the truth. Let us know our level > and come out of illusion that we are masters in spirituality. > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > surya > www.universal-spirituality.org > > "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > If Artha is achieved through Dharma, it is in spirit of Yagna. > Sacrifice the fruit of work is a new interpretation of Gita. What > Gita says is simple - Accept whatever comes. This is called > Prassadha Buddhi. As the result of actions come from the Lord. This > means you will not be sad or joyful by any result. You will accept > the result as Prasada from the Lord. This is called the spirit of > Yagna, as you burn your karmas and do not generate new ones. > > > > To have wealth through dharma, is a pious goal. The wrong attitude > towards wealth is a problem. Wealth attained through adharma is a > problem. One must give only that much value to wealth that is > required. Not more, not less. > > > > If you further think, Raja Janaka did not give away his kingdom > Mithila nor did Sri Krishna gave up his. > > Spiritual wealth is guarded by great saints and mahatmas, who are > living proof of the words of the Vedas. We will be truly poor in > every sense, if we loose that wealth. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Bharat > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2006 Report Share Posted April 14, 2006 Dear Sir, I have seen the various views emerging from Shri Rishi ji,Nalini ji and RRJi and was trying to decode the vasanas arising out of long and short memories embeded in the mother board. Sacrifice itself is to rub of something present in all of us.But the two prosperities (material and spirtual) are interlinked and we keep clicking the one for other to undergo experiences in reality.The tendency to live in present makes us to remain away from the spirtual progress. Spirtual wealth accumulated and being preserved by one and all involves not attaching significance to material wealth.material wealth has metric system which probably bothers whether in terms of usage and exploitation.This exploitation takes place constantly to satify human needs The resultant insecurity along with concerns for future is the real botheration which every one of us involved .But then if we are able to take over a minuete and peer through our inner minds it is really gratifying to find that the creator of the universe has always supported our actions to get the best and remain contended.This(probably a Value based) addition should replace for material prosperity.probably the whole issue becomes a tug of war in which we are placed and find that tug of war is won by material proserity and it entails recognition by way of status and power.we forget in the process and belittle the creator of the universe.Also it has consequent gain/supremacy of the inner ego. Ego needs to be directed and manipulated if we have to asses the value of two different prosperities namely material and spirtual progress.and identify which one is most important and essentail to us out of these two elements.one that ensures a wonderful future and the other that elates only present .There the swing between gain and loss that goes with material prosperity comes through kama bhava we have initially dharama indicating action/duty,artha that comes as an effort and moksha to look forward without fear or favour.Lets allow importance all the four to play but decide in our way the best one which undoubtedly spirtual progress. Are these not amounting to the vasanas? krishnan panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear bharath ji your posting is the best by far in this thread on listing out the real reasons as to why India is still poor on "wealth" parameter. however, spiritual wealth is undescribable and unexplainable which still lasts with infinite holy people safeguarding this holy land. needless to retell the fact that crores of indians sacrificed their lives to protect the ram mandir and two of the jyotirlingas somnath and varanasi. thanks to iron man sardar patel, somnath is back to its original place even though the most sacred varanashi shivling continues to be in the makeshift temple instead of the original temple which is now a mosque adjacent. mathematics is something which is strong in the southern parts of the country and it is no wonder if, on an average, one member of each family is in a great IT job, in India or abroad. thanks to narayana murthy of infosys, ramalinga raju of satyam and premji of wipro (besides TCS) India has regained its lost glory as the world's # 1 country of IT professionals. slowly this niche speciality of excellence in IT is exapanding to all service sectors (including astrology!) whereby services sector is contributing maximum to the GDP and also higher employement. As per Goldman Sacchs report, Brazil, Russia, India and China would be the four most superpowers for the future. all the countires who looted material wealth from india are now standing in line to lay all their wealth at India's service professionals and the day is not far when all the wealth is returned to india directly or indiretly. FIIs from all countries are joining in their mad rush to invest in the Indian stock markets and grab their pie of "india success story". unfortunately there are some perverted people who try to paint such great motherland bharatmata and our godesses in nude to earn few dollars but such people are in minority and cannot deface the holiness of our great motherland. in praise of "bharat mata" and with best wishes arjun , "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology wrote: > > Namaskaar Sri Surya > > If Artha is achieved through Dharma, it is in spirit of Yagna. Sacrifice the > fruit of work is a new interpretation of Gita. What Gita says is simple - > Accept whatever comes. This is called Prassadha Buddhi. As the result of > actions come from the Lord. This means you will not be sad or joyful by any > result. You will accept the result as Prasada from the Lord. This is called > the spirit of Yagna, as you burn your karmas and do not generate new ones. > > To have wealth through dharma, is a pious goal. The wrong attitude towards > wealth is a problem. Wealth attained through adharma is a problem. One must > give only that much value to wealth that is required. Not more, not less. > > If you further think, Raja Janaka did not give away his kingdom Mithila nor > did Sri Krishna gave up his. > > Now, > Your whole question is based on want for wealth. You are saying that India > is poor because indians haven't sacrificed the fruits of actions. Which > essentially means that you want riches for India. Why do you want riches for > India, because by your very definition, India should, then, sacrifice these > riches! Amazing contradiction and yet we have to hear this everyday from > psuedo-spiritualists. > > Furthermore, America, Norway, Switzerland, Germany are all considered rich. > I haven't seen them sacrificing any fruit of the action. So kindly listen - > India is poor and slowly coming out of it. India is poor as we did not rob > any country of their land nor did we go looting other people in other > countries. India is poor because we did not kill the native inhabitants of > any new land that they discovered and called it their own (Like Europeans > have done to Australia, South Africa, South America, North America, and so > on and so forth). India is poor because when its people needed to unite > against the invaders like Mughals, Mongols, and the British, they were > fighting with their own kind. India is poor because people like the Queen of > England still has the Kohinoor diamond set in her crown when she very well > knows that it belongs to India. The same is the story of Hope diamond that > was stolen from a Vishnu Temple. India is poor because we let others come > and convert our beliefs, our culture and our way of thinking and we are > protecting the same through quotas and what not. Well this is about material > wealth. > > Spiritual wealth is guarded by great saints and mahatmas, who are living > proof of the words of the Vedas. We will be truly poor in every sense, if we > loose that wealth. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > > > > > > On 4/14/06, surya <dattapr2000 wrote: > > > > Q) Sacrificing the ambition on the fruit of the work is sufficient. > > It is not necessary to sacrifice the fruit of the work as per Gita. > > Is it not correct? > > > > A) In the very beginning itself (second Adhyaya) Gita says that the > > fruit of the work must be sacrificed (Karmajam Buddhi Yuktahi Phalam > > Tyaktva Maneeshinah). This means that realized scholars sacrifice > > the fruit of the work. Gita keeps sacrifice of the fruit of the work > > on the top most level (Dhyanath Karma Phala Tyagah). According to > > Veda sacrifice of fruit of work means sacrifice of money only > > (Dhanena Tyagenaike). Karma Phalam means self-earned money with > > which the man is more attached. Reason for the inability to do the > > sacrifice of fruit of work (Karma Phala Tyaga) is the selfish > > ambition for the fruit of the work. Therefore if the selfish > > ambition is removed, the fruit of the work can be easily sacrificed. > > > > It is funny to enjoy the fruit of work and say that he has no > > ambition for the fruit of the work. In such case you must also enjoy > > the fruit of your sin in the hell i.e., cutting of your muscles by > > knife etc., without any selfish ambition. > > > > Saktuprastha was tested in the sacrifice of the fruit of the work, > > which alone can prove the lack of selfish ambition for the fruit of > > the work. If one says that he has sacrificed the ambition for the > > fruit of the work and yet, enjoys the fruit of work is trying to > > fool the author of Gita. In turn the Lord will fool him in the hell. > > > > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > surya > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Surya ji, > > > is this the concluding part?why sacrifice? why not detachment to > > wealth Earn what you can and live with what ever is in your > > possession and lead a most satwic life if at all any sacrifice is > > needed it is only the ego that is to be sacrifice through worship > > and self realisation and nothing else > > > krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic astrology</gads? t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Astrology+chart&w3=Astro logy+software&c=3&s=66&.sig=J4qyGil5eV2i9Ap5WrCxGA> Astrology > > chart</gads? t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Astrology+chart&w3=Astro logy+software&c=3&s=66&.sig=wUNSPkpcCWBNKVC02XZwpA> Astrology > > software</gads? t=ms&k=Astrology+software&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Astrology+chart&w3=As trology+software&c=3&s=66&.sig=3jj0XZDEwU9j8-CVSM4CLQ> > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > - Visit your group "<Jyotish_Remedie s>" > > on the web. > > > > - > > - <- ?subject=Un> > > > > - Terms of > > Service <>. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. 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Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 Sir, Not going in the geo_political situation, nor measuring the variuos cultures and their relative merits, I suggest that human beings all over the world irrespective of their race, culture, value systems are the same besotted by various human afflictions and frailities. The great time cycles have levelled many a civilisations, it is this which is the truth that time is all powerful. The Indian culture is also going through a phase of change. You will also realise, sir, that what the British rule of more than two centuries could not do to the Indian society, the cable TV and the internet has done in the last 15 years. Change is inevitable and we have to pass through this flux. The key point, in my opinion, remains what you said in another post. When a human being is true to himself/herself in terms of thought, word and deed, he does his dharma. A sacrifice which is termed as a sacrifice no longer remains a sacrifice, it becomes an act which seeks its fruit. Vani, vachan and vyavhar...is what remains finally. regards rishi , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear bharath ji > > your posting is the best by far in this thread on listing out the > real reasons as to why India is still poor on "wealth" parameter. > > however, spiritual wealth is undescribable and unexplainable which > still lasts with infinite holy people safeguarding this holy land. > needless to retell the fact that crores of indians sacrificed their > lives to protect the ram mandir and two of the jyotirlingas somnath > and varanasi. thanks to iron man sardar patel, somnath is back to > its original place even though the most sacred varanashi shivling > continues to be in the makeshift temple instead of the original > temple which is now a mosque adjacent. > > mathematics is something which is strong in the southern parts of > the country and it is no wonder if, on an average, one member of > each family is in a great IT job, in India or abroad. thanks to > narayana murthy of infosys, ramalinga raju of satyam and premji of > wipro (besides TCS) India has regained its lost glory as the world's > # 1 country of IT professionals. slowly this niche speciality of > excellence in IT is exapanding to all service sectors (including > astrology!) whereby services sector is contributing maximum to the > GDP and also higher employement. > > As per Goldman Sacchs report, Brazil, Russia, India and China would > be the four most superpowers for the future. > > all the countires who looted material wealth from india are now > standing in line to lay all their wealth at India's service > professionals and the day is not far when all the wealth is returned > to india directly or indiretly. FIIs from all countries are joining > in their mad rush to invest in the Indian stock markets and grab > their pie of "india success story". > > unfortunately there are some perverted people who try to paint such > great motherland bharatmata and our godesses in nude to earn few > dollars but such people are in minority and cannot deface the > holiness of our great motherland. > > in praise of "bharat mata" and with best wishes > arjun > , "Bharat Hindu Astrology" > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > Namaskaar Sri Surya > > > > If Artha is achieved through Dharma, it is in spirit of Yagna. > Sacrifice the > > fruit of work is a new interpretation of Gita. What Gita says is > simple - > > Accept whatever comes. This is called Prassadha Buddhi. As the > result of > > actions come from the Lord. This means you will not be sad or > joyful by any > > result. You will accept the result as Prasada from the Lord. This > is called > > the spirit of Yagna, as you burn your karmas and do not generate > new ones. > > > > To have wealth through dharma, is a pious goal. The wrong attitude > towards > > wealth is a problem. Wealth attained through adharma is a problem. > One must > > give only that much value to wealth that is required. Not more, > not less. > > > > If you further think, Raja Janaka did not give away his kingdom > Mithila nor > > did Sri Krishna gave up his. > > > > Now, > > Your whole question is based on want for wealth. You are saying > that India > > is poor because indians haven't sacrificed the fruits of actions. > Which > > essentially means that you want riches for India. Why do you want > riches for > > India, because by your very definition, India should, then, > sacrifice these > > riches! Amazing contradiction and yet we have to hear this > everyday from > > psuedo-spiritualists. > > > > Furthermore, America, Norway, Switzerland, Germany are all > considered rich. > > I haven't seen them sacrificing any fruit of the action. So kindly > listen - > > India is poor and slowly coming out of it. India is poor as we did > not rob > > any country of their land nor did we go looting other people in > other > > countries. India is poor because we did not kill the native > inhabitants of > > any new land that they discovered and called it their own (Like > Europeans > > have done to Australia, South Africa, South America, North > America, and so > > on and so forth). India is poor because when its people needed to > unite > > against the invaders like Mughals, Mongols, and the British, they > were > > fighting with their own kind. India is poor because people like > the Queen of > > England still has the Kohinoor diamond set in her crown when she > very well > > knows that it belongs to India. The same is the story of Hope > diamond that > > was stolen from a Vishnu Temple. India is poor because we let > others come > > and convert our beliefs, our culture and our way of thinking and > we are > > protecting the same through quotas and what not. Well this is > about material > > wealth. > > > > Spiritual wealth is guarded by great saints and mahatmas, who are > living > > proof of the words of the Vedas. We will be truly poor in every > sense, if we > > loose that wealth. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/14/06, surya <dattapr2000@> wrote: > > > > > > Q) Sacrificing the ambition on the fruit of the work is > sufficient. > > > It is not necessary to sacrifice the fruit of the work as per > Gita. > > > Is it not correct? > > > > > > A) In the very beginning itself (second Adhyaya) Gita says that > the > > > fruit of the work must be sacrificed (Karmajam Buddhi Yuktahi > Phalam > > > Tyaktva Maneeshinah). This means that realized scholars sacrifice > > > the fruit of the work. Gita keeps sacrifice of the fruit of the > work > > > on the top most level (Dhyanath Karma Phala Tyagah). According to > > > Veda sacrifice of fruit of work means sacrifice of money only > > > (Dhanena Tyagenaike). Karma Phalam means self-earned money with > > > which the man is more attached. Reason for the inability to do > the > > > sacrifice of fruit of work (Karma Phala Tyaga) is the selfish > > > ambition for the fruit of the work. Therefore if the selfish > > > ambition is removed, the fruit of the work can be easily > sacrificed. > > > > > > It is funny to enjoy the fruit of work and say that he has no > > > ambition for the fruit of the work. In such case you must also > enjoy > > > the fruit of your sin in the hell i.e., cutting of your muscles > by > > > knife etc., without any selfish ambition. > > > > > > Saktuprastha was tested in the sacrifice of the fruit of the > work, > > > which alone can prove the lack of selfish ambition for the fruit > of > > > the work. If one says that he has sacrificed the ambition for the > > > fruit of the work and yet, enjoys the fruit of work is trying to > > > fool the author of Gita. In turn the Lord will fool him in the > hell. > > > > > > > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > > surya > > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Surya ji, > > > > is this the concluding part?why sacrifice? why not > detachment to > > > wealth Earn what you can and live with what ever is in your > > > possession and lead a most satwic life if at all any sacrifice > is > > > needed it is only the ego that is to be sacrifice through worship > > > and self realisation and nothing else > > > > krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > RELISH THE > > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic astrology</gads? > t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Astrology+chart&w3=Astro > logy+software&c=3&s=66&.sig=J4qyGil5eV2i9Ap5WrCxGA> Astrology > > > chart</gads? > t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Astrology+chart&w3=Astro > logy+software&c=3&s=66&.sig=wUNSPkpcCWBNKVC02XZwpA> Astrology > > > software</gads? > t=ms&k=Astrology+software&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Astrology+chart&w3=As > trology+software&c=3&s=66&.sig=3jj0XZDEwU9j8-CVSM4CLQ> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > - Visit your > group "<Jyotish_Remedie > s>" > > > on the web. > > > > > > - > > > - > <- > ?subject=Un> > > > > > > - Terms of > > > Service <>. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 [Om Namo Narayanaya} Sri Krishnan ji, As you rightly remarked earlier, rather than forsaking wealth altogether it is better to renounce attachement or moha for wealth. When we let go the attachment, then it does not matter whether we have crores or tens of rupees. Ultimately it is that what counts, to be not elated when rolling in money and not devastated when it is lost. When there is no wealth, all thought is centered on generating it., we do need a base to function, the minimum required to lead a life. However much we try to vilify the act of earning/generating money, it is the basis of life.We do not live in the bygone eras where we could go to forests, retreat and focus on the Supreme. When deprived of food, the craving for food is foremost, not anything else. Only when that hunger is appeased does one think of little else. Here I dont mean, fasting taken up voluntarily. When a beggar on the cold streets, in rags and hunger, would rather be given the basic necessities.It is human nature. The enlightenemnt or rather the awakening should come from the inside, rather like the light, Arjunji, mentioned. I have noticed even in some ashrams and like places, the most affluent among them is accorded celebrity status, has a SAY. So even in spiritual places wealth does play its part. Mind you I am cautious, not all of them are so. Some of which I know, I am speaking about. Hence it hardly matters where we are, what we are, if we are truly in contact with our own Self,we are in the path of the quest for reality that Arjunji mentioned. Whether we are wealthy, with a string of letters after our name, it matters not a whiff. EGO, so misunderstood a word in the dictionary. We can say Ye-go and let it go. Easier said than done. But to accept having an EGO is far better than not because unless we know that we have it how can we be rid of it. Ego is certainly to be directed and manipulated into achieving the spiritual prosperity, but care should be taken to be rid of it as soon as the goal is reached. For this ego could also assume "spirituality' and is a far dangerous enemy than the our regular live-in. As long as our eyes are on the"ball", our final goal can be reached. Nalini {Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya} , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Sir, > I have seen the various views emerging from Shri Rishi ji,Nalini ji and RRJi and was trying to decode the vasanas arising out of long and short memories embeded in the mother board. > Sacrifice itself is to rub of something present in all of us.But the two prosperities (material and spirtual) are interlinked and we keep clicking the one for other to undergo experiences in reality.The tendency to live in present makes us to remain away from the spirtual progress. > Spirtual wealth accumulated and being preserved by one and all involves not attaching significance to material wealth.material wealth has metric system which probably bothers whether in terms of usage and exploitation.This exploitation takes place constantly to satify human needs > The resultant insecurity along with concerns for future is the real botheration which every one of us involved .But then if we are able to take over a minuete and peer through our inner minds it is really gratifying to find that the creator of the universe has always supported our actions to get the best and remain contended.This(probably a Value based) addition should replace for material prosperity.probably the whole issue becomes a tug of war in which we are placed and find that tug of war is won by material proserity and it entails recognition by way of status and power.we forget in the process and belittle the creator of the universe.Also it has consequent gain/supremacy of the inner ego. > Ego needs to be directed and manipulated if we have to asses the value of two different prosperities namely material and spirtual progress.and identify which one is most important and essentail to us out of these two elements.one that ensures a wonderful future and the other that elates only present .There the swing between gain and loss that goes with material prosperity comes through kama bhava > we have initially dharama indicating action/duty,artha that comes as an effort and moksha to look forward without fear or favour.Lets allow importance all the four to play but decide in our way the best one which undoubtedly spirtual progress. > Are these not amounting to the vasanas? > krishnan > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: > dear bharath ji > > your posting is the best by far in this thread on listing out the > real reasons as to why India is still poor on "wealth" parameter. > > however, spiritual wealth is undescribable and unexplainable which > still lasts with infinite holy people safeguarding this holy land. > needless to retell the fact that crores of indians sacrificed their > lives to protect the ram mandir and two of the jyotirlingas somnath > and varanasi. thanks to iron man sardar patel, somnath is back to > its original place even though the most sacred varanashi shivling > continues to be in the makeshift temple instead of the original > temple which is now a mosque adjacent. > > mathematics is something which is strong in the southern parts of > the country and it is no wonder if, on an average, one member of > each family is in a great IT job, in India or abroad. thanks to > narayana murthy of infosys, ramalinga raju of satyam and premji of > wipro (besides TCS) India has regained its lost glory as the world's > # 1 country of IT professionals. slowly this niche speciality of > excellence in IT is exapanding to all service sectors (including > astrology!) whereby services sector is contributing maximum to the > GDP and also higher employement. > > As per Goldman Sacchs report, Brazil, Russia, India and China would > be the four most superpowers for the future. > > all the countires who looted material wealth from india are now > standing in line to lay all their wealth at India's service > professionals and the day is not far when all the wealth is returned > to india directly or indiretly. FIIs from all countries are joining > in their mad rush to invest in the Indian stock markets and grab > their pie of "india success story". > > unfortunately there are some perverted people who try to paint such > great motherland bharatmata and our godesses in nude to earn few > dollars but such people are in minority and cannot deface the > holiness of our great motherland. > > in praise of "bharat mata" and with best wishes > arjun > , "Bharat Hindu Astrology" > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > Namaskaar Sri Surya > > > > If Artha is achieved through Dharma, it is in spirit of Yagna. > Sacrifice the > > fruit of work is a new interpretation of Gita. What Gita says is > simple - > > Accept whatever comes. This is called Prassadha Buddhi. As the > result of > > actions come from the Lord. This means you will not be sad or > joyful by any > > result. You will accept the result as Prasada from the Lord. This > is called > > the spirit of Yagna, as you burn your karmas and do not generate > new ones. > > > > To have wealth through dharma, is a pious goal. The wrong attitude > towards > > wealth is a problem. Wealth attained through adharma is a problem. > One must > > give only that much value to wealth that is required. Not more, > not less. > > > > If you further think, Raja Janaka did not give away his kingdom > Mithila nor > > did Sri Krishna gave up his. > > > > Now, > > Your whole question is based on want for wealth. You are saying > that India > > is poor because indians haven't sacrificed the fruits of actions. > Which > > essentially means that you want riches for India. Why do you want > riches for > > India, because by your very definition, India should, then, > sacrifice these > > riches! Amazing contradiction and yet we have to hear this > everyday from > > psuedo-spiritualists. > > > > Furthermore, America, Norway, Switzerland, Germany are all > considered rich. > > I haven't seen them sacrificing any fruit of the action. So kindly > listen - > > India is poor and slowly coming out of it. India is poor as we did > not rob > > any country of their land nor did we go looting other people in > other > > countries. India is poor because we did not kill the native > inhabitants of > > any new land that they discovered and called it their own (Like > Europeans > > have done to Australia, South Africa, South America, North > America, and so > > on and so forth). India is poor because when its people needed to > unite > > against the invaders like Mughals, Mongols, and the British, they > were > > fighting with their own kind. India is poor because people like > the Queen of > > England still has the Kohinoor diamond set in her crown when she > very well > > knows that it belongs to India. The same is the story of Hope > diamond that > > was stolen from a Vishnu Temple. India is poor because we let > others come > > and convert our beliefs, our culture and our way of thinking and > we are > > protecting the same through quotas and what not. Well this is > about material > > wealth. > > > > Spiritual wealth is guarded by great saints and mahatmas, who are > living > > proof of the words of the Vedas. We will be truly poor in every > sense, if we > > loose that wealth. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/14/06, surya <dattapr2000@> wrote: > > > > > > Q) Sacrificing the ambition on the fruit of the work is > sufficient. > > > It is not necessary to sacrifice the fruit of the work as per > Gita. > > > Is it not correct? > > > > > > A) In the very beginning itself (second Adhyaya) Gita says that > the > > > fruit of the work must be sacrificed (Karmajam Buddhi Yuktahi > Phalam > > > Tyaktva Maneeshinah). This means that realized scholars sacrifice > > > the fruit of the work. Gita keeps sacrifice of the fruit of the > work > > > on the top most level (Dhyanath Karma Phala Tyagah). According to > > > Veda sacrifice of fruit of work means sacrifice of money only > > > (Dhanena Tyagenaike). Karma Phalam means self-earned money with > > > which the man is more attached. Reason for the inability to do > the > > > sacrifice of fruit of work (Karma Phala Tyaga) is the selfish > > > ambition for the fruit of the work. Therefore if the selfish > > > ambition is removed, the fruit of the work can be easily > sacrificed. > > > > > > It is funny to enjoy the fruit of work and say that he has no > > > ambition for the fruit of the work. In such case you must also > enjoy > > > the fruit of your sin in the hell i.e., cutting of your muscles > by > > > knife etc., without any selfish ambition. > > > > > > Saktuprastha was tested in the sacrifice of the fruit of the > work, > > > which alone can prove the lack of selfish ambition for the fruit > of > > > the work. If one says that he has sacrificed the ambition for the > > > fruit of the work and yet, enjoys the fruit of work is trying to > > > fool the author of Gita. In turn the Lord will fool him in the > hell. > > > > > > > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > > surya > > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Surya ji, > > > > is this the concluding part?why sacrifice? why not > detachment to > > > wealth Earn what you can and live with what ever is in your > > > possession and lead a most satwic life if at all any sacrifice > is > > > needed it is only the ego that is to be sacrifice through worship > > > and self realisation and nothing else > > > > krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > RELISH THE > > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic astrology</gads? > t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Astrology+chart&w3=Astro > logy+software&c=3&s=66&.sig=J4qyGil5eV2i9Ap5WrCxGA> Astrology > > > chart</gads? > t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Astrology+chart&w3=Astro > logy+software&c=3&s=66&.sig=wUNSPkpcCWBNKVC02XZwpA> Astrology > > > software</gads? > t=ms&k=Astrology+software&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Astrology+chart&w3=As > trology+software&c=3&s=66&.sig=3jj0XZDEwU9j8-CVSM4CLQ> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > - Visit your > group "<Jyotish_Remedie > s>" > > > on the web. > > > > > > - > > > - > <- > ?subject=Un> > > > > > > - Terms of > > > Service <>. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > Love cheap thrills? 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Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 Dear Nalini, A part of your email caught my eye, hence I focus on that (I did read the rest of your posting in case you are wondering!) <<Whether we are wealthy, with a > string of letters after our name,>> Curiously, when I was growing up in India (three quite diverse provinces), in the 50s and 60s and 70s the firmly held belief was that Lakshmi and Saraswati Didis hardly ever stay together in the same household! I think it was a ploy on the part of treasury board to keep the teachers and professors proud but poor!! Suddenly the rules changed! Intellect revolted and began grabbing money and power was next to follow! The trend continues. Spirituality though, has always shied away from both power and money! The examples that we see in modern times where spirituality was associated with money -- power usually accompanied. And the two were also CORRELATED with intellect! Sometimes one wonders if intellect could become a problem and does! Sri Ramkrishna paramahansa was the prototype of the wise savant that was not an intellectual giant. But then MA had to come and confuse us by sending to this simple saint a disciple that was undeniably an intellectual giant! As if to say that simplicity and belief alone is not everything, but the intellect and scepticism (That Narendra guy!) are part of her plan too. Everything in fact around us that we see, regardless of what we love and what we hate. It is like a kitchen with all these ugly tasting and looking stuff but when we look at the final product, we wonder what magic happened! MA has so much fun with her hapless and helpless children who are trying to figure out the playroom and the patterns therein. She brought us into this world -- we owe it to Her to bring a smile to her divine lips through our infantile activity. I do my part, but have you (all) done yours? RR , "auromirra19" <nalini2818 wrote: > > [Om Namo Narayanaya} > Sri Krishnan ji, > As you rightly remarked earlier, rather than forsaking wealth > altogether it is better to renounce attachement or moha for wealth. > When we let go the attachment, then it does not matter whether we > have crores or tens of rupees. Ultimately it is that what counts, to > be not elated when rolling in money and not devastated when it is > lost. When there is no wealth, all thought is centered on generating > it., we do need a base to function, the minimum required to lead a > life. However much we try to vilify the act of earning/generating > money, it is the basis of life.We do not live in the bygone eras > where we could go to forests, retreat and focus on the Supreme. > When deprived of food, the craving for food is foremost, not > anything else. Only when that hunger is appeased does one think of > little else. Here I dont mean, fasting taken up voluntarily. > When a beggar on the cold streets, in rags and hunger, would rather > be given the basic necessities.It is human nature. The enlightenemnt > or rather the awakening should come from the inside, rather like the > light, Arjunji, mentioned. > I have noticed even in some ashrams and like places, the most > affluent among them is accorded celebrity status, has a SAY. So > even in spiritual places wealth does play its part. Mind you I am > cautious, not all of them are so. Some of which I know, I am > speaking about. > Hence it hardly matters where we are, what we are, if we are truly > in contact with our own Self,we are in the path of the quest for > reality that Arjunji mentioned. Whether we are wealthy, with a > string of letters after our name, it matters not a whiff. > EGO, so misunderstood a word in the dictionary. We can say Ye-go and > let it go. Easier said than done. But to accept having an EGO is far > better than not because unless we know that we have it how can we be > rid of it. Ego is certainly to be directed and manipulated into > achieving the spiritual prosperity, but care should be taken to be > rid of it as soon as the goal is reached. For this ego could also > assume "spirituality' and is a far dangerous enemy than the our > regular live-in. > As long as our eyes are on the"ball", our final goal can be reached. > Nalini > {Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya} > , vattem krishnan > <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > I have seen the various views emerging from Shri Rishi ji,Nalini > ji and RRJi and was trying to decode the vasanas arising out of long > and short memories embeded in the mother board. > > Sacrifice itself is to rub of something present in all of us.But > the two prosperities (material and spirtual) are interlinked and we > keep clicking the one for other to undergo experiences in > reality.The tendency to live in present makes us to remain away from > the spirtual progress. > > Spirtual wealth accumulated and being preserved by one and all > involves not attaching significance to material wealth.material > wealth has metric system which probably bothers whether in terms of > usage and exploitation.This exploitation takes place constantly to > satify human needs > > The resultant insecurity along with concerns for future is the > real botheration which every one of us involved .But then if we are > able to take over a minuete and peer through our inner minds it is > really gratifying to find that the creator of the universe has > always supported our actions to get the best and remain > contended.This(probably a Value based) addition should replace for > material prosperity.probably the whole issue becomes a tug of war in > which we are placed and find that tug of war is won by material > proserity and it entails recognition by way of status and power.we > forget in the process and belittle the creator of the universe.Also > it has consequent gain/supremacy of the inner ego. > > Ego needs to be directed and manipulated if we have to asses the > value of two different prosperities namely material and spirtual > progress.and identify which one is most important and essentail to > us out of these two elements.one that ensures a wonderful future and > the other that elates only present .There the swing between gain and > loss that goes with material prosperity comes through kama bhava > > we have initially dharama indicating action/duty,artha that > comes as an effort and moksha to look forward without fear or > favour.Lets allow importance all the four to play but decide in our > way the best one which undoubtedly spirtual progress. > > Are these not amounting to the vasanas? > > krishnan > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > dear bharath ji > > > > your posting is the best by far in this thread on listing out the > > real reasons as to why India is still poor on "wealth" parameter. > > > > however, spiritual wealth is undescribable and unexplainable which > > still lasts with infinite holy people safeguarding this holy > land. > > needless to retell the fact that crores of indians sacrificed > their > > lives to protect the ram mandir and two of the jyotirlingas > somnath > > and varanasi. thanks to iron man sardar patel, somnath is back to > > its original place even though the most sacred varanashi shivling > > continues to be in the makeshift temple instead of the original > > temple which is now a mosque adjacent. > > > > mathematics is something which is strong in the southern parts of > > the country and it is no wonder if, on an average, one member of > > each family is in a great IT job, in India or abroad. thanks to > > narayana murthy of infosys, ramalinga raju of satyam and premji of > > wipro (besides TCS) India has regained its lost glory as the > world's > > # 1 country of IT professionals. slowly this niche speciality of > > excellence in IT is exapanding to all service sectors (including > > astrology!) whereby services sector is contributing maximum to the > > GDP and also higher employement. > > > > As per Goldman Sacchs report, Brazil, Russia, India and China > would > > be the four most superpowers for the future. > > > > all the countires who looted material wealth from india are now > > standing in line to lay all their wealth at India's service > > professionals and the day is not far when all the wealth is > returned > > to india directly or indiretly. FIIs from all countries are > joining > > in their mad rush to invest in the Indian stock markets and grab > > their pie of "india success story". > > > > unfortunately there are some perverted people who try to paint > such > > great motherland bharatmata and our godesses in nude to earn few > > dollars but such people are in minority and cannot deface the > > holiness of our great motherland. > > > > in praise of "bharat mata" and with best wishes > > arjun > > , "Bharat Hindu Astrology" > > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Surya > > > > > > If Artha is achieved through Dharma, it is in spirit of Yagna. > > Sacrifice the > > > fruit of work is a new interpretation of Gita. What Gita says is > > simple - > > > Accept whatever comes. This is called Prassadha Buddhi. As the > > result of > > > actions come from the Lord. This means you will not be sad or > > joyful by any > > > result. You will accept the result as Prasada from the Lord. > This > > is called > > > the spirit of Yagna, as you burn your karmas and do not generate > > new ones. > > > > > > To have wealth through dharma, is a pious goal. The wrong > attitude > > towards > > > wealth is a problem. Wealth attained through adharma is a > problem. > > One must > > > give only that much value to wealth that is required. Not more, > > not less. > > > > > > If you further think, Raja Janaka did not give away his kingdom > > Mithila nor > > > did Sri Krishna gave up his. > > > > > > Now, > > > Your whole question is based on want for wealth. You are saying > > that India > > > is poor because indians haven't sacrificed the fruits of > actions. > > Which > > > essentially means that you want riches for India. Why do you > want > > riches for > > > India, because by your very definition, India should, then, > > sacrifice these > > > riches! Amazing contradiction and yet we have to hear this > > everyday from > > > psuedo-spiritualists. > > > > > > Furthermore, America, Norway, Switzerland, Germany are all > > considered rich. > > > I haven't seen them sacrificing any fruit of the action. So > kindly > > listen - > > > India is poor and slowly coming out of it. India is poor as we > did > > not rob > > > any country of their land nor did we go looting other people in > > other > > > countries. India is poor because we did not kill the native > > inhabitants of > > > any new land that they discovered and called it their own (Like > > Europeans > > > have done to Australia, South Africa, South America, North > > America, and so > > > on and so forth). India is poor because when its people needed > to > > unite > > > against the invaders like Mughals, Mongols, and the British, > they > > were > > > fighting with their own kind. India is poor because people like > > the Queen of > > > England still has the Kohinoor diamond set in her crown when she > > very well > > > knows that it belongs to India. The same is the story of Hope > > diamond that > > > was stolen from a Vishnu Temple. India is poor because we let > > others come > > > and convert our beliefs, our culture and our way of thinking and > > we are > > > protecting the same through quotas and what not. Well this is > > about material > > > wealth. > > > > > > Spiritual wealth is guarded by great saints and mahatmas, who > are > > living > > > proof of the words of the Vedas. We will be truly poor in every > > sense, if we > > > loose that wealth. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/14/06, surya <dattapr2000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Q) Sacrificing the ambition on the fruit of the work is > > sufficient. > > > > It is not necessary to sacrifice the fruit of the work as per > > Gita. > > > > Is it not correct? > > > > > > > > A) In the very beginning itself (second Adhyaya) Gita says > that > > the > > > > fruit of the work must be sacrificed (Karmajam Buddhi Yuktahi > > Phalam > > > > Tyaktva Maneeshinah). This means that realized scholars > sacrifice > > > > the fruit of the work. Gita keeps sacrifice of the fruit of > the > > work > > > > on the top most level (Dhyanath Karma Phala Tyagah). According > to > > > > Veda sacrifice of fruit of work means sacrifice of money only > > > > (Dhanena Tyagenaike). Karma Phalam means self-earned money with > > > > which the man is more attached. Reason for the inability to do > > the > > > > sacrifice of fruit of work (Karma Phala Tyaga) is the selfish > > > > ambition for the fruit of the work. Therefore if the selfish > > > > ambition is removed, the fruit of the work can be easily > > sacrificed. > > > > > > > > It is funny to enjoy the fruit of work and say that he has no > > > > ambition for the fruit of the work. In such case you must also > > enjoy > > > > the fruit of your sin in the hell i.e., cutting of your > muscles > > by > > > > knife etc., without any selfish ambition. > > > > > > > > Saktuprastha was tested in the sacrifice of the fruit of the > > work, > > > > which alone can prove the lack of selfish ambition for the > fruit > > of > > > > the work. If one says that he has sacrificed the ambition for > the > > > > fruit of the work and yet, enjoys the fruit of work is trying > to > > > > fool the author of Gita. In turn the Lord will fool him in the > > hell. > > > > > > > > > > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > > > surya > > > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Surya ji, > > > > > is this the concluding part?why sacrifice? why not > > detachment to > > > > wealth Earn what you can and live with what ever is in your > > > > possession and lead a most satwic life if at all any > sacrifice > > is > > > > needed it is only the ego that is to be sacrifice through > worship > > > > and self realisation and nothing else > > > > > krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > RELISH THE > > > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic astrology</gads? > > > t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Astrology+chart&w3=Astro > > logy+software&c=3&s=66&.sig=J4qyGil5eV2i9Ap5WrCxGA> Astrology > > > > chart</gads? > > > t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Astrology+chart&w3=Astro > > logy+software&c=3&s=66&.sig=wUNSPkpcCWBNKVC02XZwpA> Astrology > > > > software</gads? > > > t=ms&k=Astrology+software&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Astrology+chart&w3=As > > trology+software&c=3&s=66&.sig=3jj0XZDEwU9j8-CVSM4CLQ> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Visit your > > > group "<Jyotish_Remedie > > s>" > > > > on the web. > > > > > > > > - > > > > - > > <- > > ?subject=Un> > > > > > > > > - Terms > of > > > > Service <>. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love cheap thrills? 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Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 {Om Namo Narayanaya} Dear RRji, What to say of MA. That beloved one who so loves all her children. No matter how busy is she in her "LILA" she never loses her sight of the children, a toddler, fumbles and tumbles, pronto she is there. All she asks of us is not to lose sight of her, while we play, play and venture outside. we should as all children do, play for awhile and come running, check up on MA, go back reassured. Nalini {OM Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya} , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Dear Nalini, > > A part of your email caught my eye, hence I focus on that (I did read > the rest of your posting in case you are wondering!) > > <<Whether we are wealthy, with a > > string of letters after our name,>> > > Curiously, when I was growing up in India (three quite diverse > provinces), in the 50s and 60s and 70s the firmly held belief was > that Lakshmi and Saraswati Didis hardly ever stay together in the > same household! I think it was a ploy on the part of treasury board > to keep the teachers and professors proud but poor!! > > Suddenly the rules changed! Intellect revolted and began grabbing > money and power was next to follow! The trend continues. > > Spirituality though, has always shied away from both power and money! > The examples that we see in modern times where spirituality was > associated with money -- power usually accompanied. And the two were > also CORRELATED with intellect! > > Sometimes one wonders if intellect could become a problem and does! > Sri Ramkrishna paramahansa was the prototype of the wise savant that > was not an intellectual giant. But then MA had to come and confuse us > by sending to this simple saint a disciple that was undeniably an > intellectual giant! As if to say that simplicity and belief alone is > not everything, but the intellect and scepticism (That Narendra guy!) > are part of her plan too. Everything in fact around us that we see, > regardless of what we love and what we hate. It is like a kitchen > with all these ugly tasting and looking stuff but when we look at the > final product, we wonder what magic happened! > > MA has so much fun with her hapless and helpless children who are > trying to figure out the playroom and the patterns therein. She > brought us into this world -- we owe it to Her to bring a smile to > her divine lips through our infantile activity. > > I do my part, but have you (all) done yours? > > RR > > > , "auromirra19" > <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > > [Om Namo Narayanaya} > > Sri Krishnan ji, > > As you rightly remarked earlier, rather than forsaking wealth > > altogether it is better to renounce attachement or moha for wealth. > > When we let go the attachment, then it does not matter whether we > > have crores or tens of rupees. Ultimately it is that what counts, > to > > be not elated when rolling in money and not devastated when it is > > lost. When there is no wealth, all thought is centered on > generating > > it., we do need a base to function, the minimum required to lead a > > life. However much we try to vilify the act of earning/generating > > money, it is the basis of life.We do not live in the bygone eras > > where we could go to forests, retreat and focus on the Supreme. > > When deprived of food, the craving for food is foremost, not > > anything else. Only when that hunger is appeased does one think of > > little else. Here I dont mean, fasting taken up voluntarily. > > When a beggar on the cold streets, in rags and hunger, would > rather > > be given the basic necessities.It is human nature. The > enlightenemnt > > or rather the awakening should come from the inside, rather like > the > > light, Arjunji, mentioned. > > I have noticed even in some ashrams and like places, the most > > affluent among them is accorded celebrity status, has a SAY. So > > even in spiritual places wealth does play its part. Mind you I am > > cautious, not all of them are so. Some of which I know, I am > > speaking about. > > Hence it hardly matters where we are, what we are, if we are truly > > in contact with our own Self,we are in the path of the quest for > > reality that Arjunji mentioned. Whether we are wealthy, with a > > string of letters after our name, it matters not a whiff. > > EGO, so misunderstood a word in the dictionary. We can say Ye-go > and > > let it go. Easier said than done. But to accept having an EGO is > far > > better than not because unless we know that we have it how can we > be > > rid of it. Ego is certainly to be directed and manipulated into > > achieving the spiritual prosperity, but care should be taken to be > > rid of it as soon as the goal is reached. For this ego could also > > assume "spirituality' and is a far dangerous enemy than the our > > regular live-in. > > As long as our eyes are on the"ball", our final goal can be reached. > > Nalini > > {Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya} > > , vattem krishnan > > <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > I have seen the various views emerging from Shri Rishi > ji,Nalini > > ji and RRJi and was trying to decode the vasanas arising out of > long > > and short memories embeded in the mother board. > > > Sacrifice itself is to rub of something present in all of > us.But > > the two prosperities (material and spirtual) are interlinked and we > > keep clicking the one for other to undergo experiences in > > reality.The tendency to live in present makes us to remain away > from > > the spirtual progress. > > > Spirtual wealth accumulated and being preserved by one and all > > involves not attaching significance to material wealth.material > > wealth has metric system which probably bothers whether in terms of > > usage and exploitation.This exploitation takes place constantly to > > satify human needs > > > The resultant insecurity along with concerns for future is the > > real botheration which every one of us involved .But then if we are > > able to take over a minuete and peer through our inner minds it is > > really gratifying to find that the creator of the universe has > > always supported our actions to get the best and remain > > contended.This(probably a Value based) addition should replace for > > material prosperity.probably the whole issue becomes a tug of war > in > > which we are placed and find that tug of war is won by material > > proserity and it entails recognition by way of status and power.we > > forget in the process and belittle the creator of the universe.Also > > it has consequent gain/supremacy of the inner ego. > > > Ego needs to be directed and manipulated if we have to asses > the > > value of two different prosperities namely material and spirtual > > progress.and identify which one is most important and essentail to > > us out of these two elements.one that ensures a wonderful future > and > > the other that elates only present .There the swing between gain > and > > loss that goes with material prosperity comes through kama bhava > > > we have initially dharama indicating action/duty,artha that > > comes as an effort and moksha to look forward without fear or > > favour.Lets allow importance all the four to play but decide in our > > way the best one which undoubtedly spirtual progress. > > > Are these not amounting to the vasanas? > > > krishnan > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > dear bharath ji > > > > > > your posting is the best by far in this thread on listing out the > > > real reasons as to why India is still poor on "wealth" parameter. > > > > > > however, spiritual wealth is undescribable and unexplainable > which > > > still lasts with infinite holy people safeguarding this holy > > land. > > > needless to retell the fact that crores of indians sacrificed > > their > > > lives to protect the ram mandir and two of the jyotirlingas > > somnath > > > and varanasi. thanks to iron man sardar patel, somnath is back > to > > > its original place even though the most sacred varanashi shivling > > > continues to be in the makeshift temple instead of the original > > > temple which is now a mosque adjacent. > > > > > > mathematics is something which is strong in the southern parts of > > > the country and it is no wonder if, on an average, one member of > > > each family is in a great IT job, in India or abroad. thanks to > > > narayana murthy of infosys, ramalinga raju of satyam and premji > of > > > wipro (besides TCS) India has regained its lost glory as the > > world's > > > # 1 country of IT professionals. slowly this niche speciality of > > > excellence in IT is exapanding to all service sectors (including > > > astrology!) whereby services sector is contributing maximum to > the > > > GDP and also higher employement. > > > > > > As per Goldman Sacchs report, Brazil, Russia, India and China > > would > > > be the four most superpowers for the future. > > > > > > all the countires who looted material wealth from india are now > > > standing in line to lay all their wealth at India's service > > > professionals and the day is not far when all the wealth is > > returned > > > to india directly or indiretly. FIIs from all countries are > > joining > > > in their mad rush to invest in the Indian stock markets and grab > > > their pie of "india success story". > > > > > > unfortunately there are some perverted people who try to paint > > such > > > great motherland bharatmata and our godesses in nude to earn few > > > dollars but such people are in minority and cannot deface the > > > holiness of our great motherland. > > > > > > in praise of "bharat mata" and with best wishes > > > arjun > > > , "Bharat Hindu Astrology" > > > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Surya > > > > > > > > If Artha is achieved through Dharma, it is in spirit of Yagna. > > > Sacrifice the > > > > fruit of work is a new interpretation of Gita. What Gita says > is > > > simple - > > > > Accept whatever comes. This is called Prassadha Buddhi. As the > > > result of > > > > actions come from the Lord. This means you will not be sad or > > > joyful by any > > > > result. You will accept the result as Prasada from the Lord. > > This > > > is called > > > > the spirit of Yagna, as you burn your karmas and do not > generate > > > new ones. > > > > > > > > To have wealth through dharma, is a pious goal. The wrong > > attitude > > > towards > > > > wealth is a problem. Wealth attained through adharma is a > > problem. > > > One must > > > > give only that much value to wealth that is required. Not more, > > > not less. > > > > > > > > If you further think, Raja Janaka did not give away his kingdom > > > Mithila nor > > > > did Sri Krishna gave up his. > > > > > > > > Now, > > > > Your whole question is based on want for wealth. You are saying > > > that India > > > > is poor because indians haven't sacrificed the fruits of > > actions. > > > Which > > > > essentially means that you want riches for India. Why do you > > want > > > riches for > > > > India, because by your very definition, India should, then, > > > sacrifice these > > > > riches! Amazing contradiction and yet we have to hear this > > > everyday from > > > > psuedo-spiritualists. > > > > > > > > Furthermore, America, Norway, Switzerland, Germany are all > > > considered rich. > > > > I haven't seen them sacrificing any fruit of the action. So > > kindly > > > listen - > > > > India is poor and slowly coming out of it. India is poor as we > > did > > > not rob > > > > any country of their land nor did we go looting other people in > > > other > > > > countries. India is poor because we did not kill the native > > > inhabitants of > > > > any new land that they discovered and called it their own (Like > > > Europeans > > > > have done to Australia, South Africa, South America, North > > > America, and so > > > > on and so forth). India is poor because when its people needed > > to > > > unite > > > > against the invaders like Mughals, Mongols, and the British, > > they > > > were > > > > fighting with their own kind. India is poor because people like > > > the Queen of > > > > England still has the Kohinoor diamond set in her crown when > she > > > very well > > > > knows that it belongs to India. The same is the story of Hope > > > diamond that > > > > was stolen from a Vishnu Temple. India is poor because we let > > > others come > > > > and convert our beliefs, our culture and our way of thinking > and > > > we are > > > > protecting the same through quotas and what not. Well this is > > > about material > > > > wealth. > > > > > > > > Spiritual wealth is guarded by great saints and mahatmas, who > > are > > > living > > > > proof of the words of the Vedas. We will be truly poor in every > > > sense, if we > > > > loose that wealth. > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/14/06, surya <dattapr2000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Q) Sacrificing the ambition on the fruit of the work is > > > sufficient. > > > > > It is not necessary to sacrifice the fruit of the work as per > > > Gita. > > > > > Is it not correct? > > > > > > > > > > A) In the very beginning itself (second Adhyaya) Gita says > > that > > > the > > > > > fruit of the work must be sacrificed (Karmajam Buddhi Yuktahi > > > Phalam > > > > > Tyaktva Maneeshinah). This means that realized scholars > > sacrifice > > > > > the fruit of the work. Gita keeps sacrifice of the fruit of > > the > > > work > > > > > on the top most level (Dhyanath Karma Phala Tyagah). > According > > to > > > > > Veda sacrifice of fruit of work means sacrifice of money only > > > > > (Dhanena Tyagenaike). Karma Phalam means self-earned money > with > > > > > which the man is more attached. Reason for the inability to > do > > > the > > > > > sacrifice of fruit of work (Karma Phala Tyaga) is the selfish > > > > > ambition for the fruit of the work. Therefore if the selfish > > > > > ambition is removed, the fruit of the work can be easily > > > sacrificed. > > > > > > > > > > It is funny to enjoy the fruit of work and say that he has no > > > > > ambition for the fruit of the work. In such case you must > also > > > enjoy > > > > > the fruit of your sin in the hell i.e., cutting of your > > muscles > > > by > > > > > knife etc., without any selfish ambition. > > > > > > > > > > Saktuprastha was tested in the sacrifice of the fruit of the > > > work, > > > > > which alone can prove the lack of selfish ambition for the > > fruit > > > of > > > > > the work. If one says that he has sacrificed the ambition for > > the > > > > > fruit of the work and yet, enjoys the fruit of work is trying > > to > > > > > fool the author of Gita. In turn the Lord will fool him in > the > > > hell. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > > > > surya > > > > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > > > > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Surya ji, > > > > > > is this the concluding part?why sacrifice? why not > > > detachment to > > > > > wealth Earn what you can and live with what ever is in your > > > > > possession and lead a most satwic life if at all any > > sacrifice > > > is > > > > > needed it is only the ego that is to be sacrifice through > > worship > > > > > and self realisation and nothing else > > > > > > krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > > RELISH THE > > > > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic astrology</gads? > > > > > > t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Astrology+chart&w3=Astro > > > logy+software&c=3&s=66&.sig=J4qyGil5eV2i9Ap5WrCxGA> Astrology > > > > > chart</gads? > > > > > > t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Astrology+chart&w3=Astro > > > logy+software&c=3&s=66&.sig=wUNSPkpcCWBNKVC02XZwpA> Astrology > > > > > software</gads? > > > > > > t=ms&k=Astrology+software&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Astrology+chart&w3=As > > > trology+software&c=3&s=66&.sig=3jj0XZDEwU9j8-CVSM4CLQ> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Visit your > > > > > > group "<Jyotish_Remedie > > > s>" > > > > > on the web. > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > - > > > <- > > > ?subject=Un> > > > > > > > > > > - > Terms > > of > > > > > Service <>. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > RELISH > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love cheap thrills? 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Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 friend Whenever Lord comes in human form, initially by His will He will not get revealed to everybody. Hence He first gives chance to common people. But unfortunately these common people will not recognise Him nor give value. When rich people started pouring-in only, this common man also starts realising. By this stage, many people start coming and he will loose the acccessibility. Ofcourse whatever is discussed applies in the case of Satguru only. The work of God in human form is the propagation of His divine gospel. For doing such divine work the family also stands as an obstacle because most of your energy is diverted for the family only. Therefore you do not have any energy to work for the sake of Lord. Hence Holy Jesus wanted His disciples to leave their families for the sake of God. The propagation work needs both money and work. Generally everybody works to maintain his family. In the name of maintenance, several luxuries are introduced, which look like essential needs and thus there is no end for your work to earn money for the sake of your body and your family. Your blindness increases and you will put more and more efforts to work and earn money for the sake of the family bonds. In such a case you can never even see the human form of God. At least you should remove your blindness by the divine knowledge if not the actual bonds. Only people of very high devotion can cut the actual bonds. You are giving money to your family but you are giving words to God by your prayers and you are giving your mind to God through meditation. You are giving love to your family through your work and money, and are calling the sacrifice of words and sacrifice of mind as love to God and you are fooling God. Your real love is only for your family and not for God. Holy Jesus tests your real love for God by these statements. The Christian Pope and priests and the Hindu Acharyas and saints left their families and concentrated completely on the work of God. Only such pious souls can be the representatives of God in this world. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org "auromirra19" <nalini2818 wrote: > I have noticed even in some ashrams and like places, the most > affluent among them is accorded celebrity status, has a SAY. So > even in spiritual places wealth does play its part. Mind you I am > cautious, not all of them are so. Some of which I know, I am > speaking about. > As long as our eyes are on the"ball", our final goal can be reached. > Nalini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 Nalini, Fortunate are those who were almost lost and rescued by HER. Even more fortunate are those that who got repeatedly lost and were rescued again and again by HER. As they say, it is good to have experienced being lost and yet feel loved ... RR , "auromirra19" <nalini2818 wrote: > > {Om Namo Narayanaya} > > Dear RRji, > What to say of MA. That beloved one who so loves all her children. > No matter how busy is she in her "LILA" she never loses her sight of > the children, a toddler, fumbles and tumbles, pronto she is there. > All she asks of us is not to lose sight of her, while we play, play > and venture outside. we should as all children do, play for awhile > and come running, check up on MA, go back reassured. > Nalini > {OM Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya} > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Dear Nalini, > > > > A part of your email caught my eye, hence I focus on that (I did > read > > the rest of your posting in case you are wondering!) > > > > <<Whether we are wealthy, with a > > > string of letters after our name,>> > > > > Curiously, when I was growing up in India (three quite diverse > > provinces), in the 50s and 60s and 70s the firmly held belief was > > that Lakshmi and Saraswati Didis hardly ever stay together in the > > same household! I think it was a ploy on the part of treasury > board > > to keep the teachers and professors proud but poor!! > > > > Suddenly the rules changed! Intellect revolted and began grabbing > > money and power was next to follow! The trend continues. > > > > Spirituality though, has always shied away from both power and > money! > > The examples that we see in modern times where spirituality was > > associated with money -- power usually accompanied. And the two > were > > also CORRELATED with intellect! > > > > Sometimes one wonders if intellect could become a problem and > does! > > Sri Ramkrishna paramahansa was the prototype of the wise savant > that > > was not an intellectual giant. But then MA had to come and confuse > us > > by sending to this simple saint a disciple that was undeniably an > > intellectual giant! As if to say that simplicity and belief alone > is > > not everything, but the intellect and scepticism (That Narendra > guy!) > > are part of her plan too. Everything in fact around us that we > see, > > regardless of what we love and what we hate. It is like a kitchen > > with all these ugly tasting and looking stuff but when we look at > the > > final product, we wonder what magic happened! > > > > MA has so much fun with her hapless and helpless children who are > > trying to figure out the playroom and the patterns therein. She > > brought us into this world -- we owe it to Her to bring a smile to > > her divine lips through our infantile activity. > > > > I do my part, but have you (all) done yours? > > > > RR > > > > > > , "auromirra19" > > <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > > > > [Om Namo Narayanaya} > > > Sri Krishnan ji, > > > As you rightly remarked earlier, rather than forsaking wealth > > > altogether it is better to renounce attachement or moha for > wealth. > > > When we let go the attachment, then it does not matter whether > we > > > have crores or tens of rupees. Ultimately it is that what > counts, > > to > > > be not elated when rolling in money and not devastated when it > is > > > lost. When there is no wealth, all thought is centered on > > generating > > > it., we do need a base to function, the minimum required to lead > a > > > life. However much we try to vilify the act of > earning/generating > > > money, it is the basis of life.We do not live in the bygone eras > > > where we could go to forests, retreat and focus on the Supreme. > > > When deprived of food, the craving for food is foremost, not > > > anything else. Only when that hunger is appeased does one think > of > > > little else. Here I dont mean, fasting taken up voluntarily. > > > When a beggar on the cold streets, in rags and hunger, would > > rather > > > be given the basic necessities.It is human nature. The > > enlightenemnt > > > or rather the awakening should come from the inside, rather like > > the > > > light, Arjunji, mentioned. > > > I have noticed even in some ashrams and like places, the most > > > affluent among them is accorded celebrity status, has a SAY. So > > > even in spiritual places wealth does play its part. Mind you I > am > > > cautious, not all of them are so. Some of which I know, I am > > > speaking about. > > > Hence it hardly matters where we are, what we are, if we are > truly > > > in contact with our own Self,we are in the path of the quest for > > > reality that Arjunji mentioned. Whether we are wealthy, with a > > > string of letters after our name, it matters not a whiff. > > > EGO, so misunderstood a word in the dictionary. We can say Ye- go > > and > > > let it go. Easier said than done. But to accept having an EGO is > > far > > > better than not because unless we know that we have it how can > we > > be > > > rid of it. Ego is certainly to be directed and manipulated into > > > achieving the spiritual prosperity, but care should be taken to > be > > > rid of it as soon as the goal is reached. For this ego could > also > > > assume "spirituality' and is a far dangerous enemy than the our > > > regular live-in. > > > As long as our eyes are on the"ball", our final goal can be > reached. > > > Nalini > > > {Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya} > > > , vattem krishnan > > > <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > I have seen the various views emerging from Shri Rishi > > ji,Nalini > > > ji and RRJi and was trying to decode the vasanas arising out of > > long > > > and short memories embeded in the mother board. > > > > Sacrifice itself is to rub of something present in all of > > us.But > > > the two prosperities (material and spirtual) are interlinked and > we > > > keep clicking the one for other to undergo experiences in > > > reality.The tendency to live in present makes us to remain away > > from > > > the spirtual progress. > > > > Spirtual wealth accumulated and being preserved by one and > all > > > involves not attaching significance to material wealth.material > > > wealth has metric system which probably bothers whether in terms > of > > > usage and exploitation.This exploitation takes place constantly > to > > > satify human needs > > > > The resultant insecurity along with concerns for future is > the > > > real botheration which every one of us involved .But then if we > are > > > able to take over a minuete and peer through our inner minds it > is > > > really gratifying to find that the creator of the universe has > > > always supported our actions to get the best and remain > > > contended.This(probably a Value based) addition should replace > for > > > material prosperity.probably the whole issue becomes a tug of > war > > in > > > which we are placed and find that tug of war is won by material > > > proserity and it entails recognition by way of status and > power.we > > > forget in the process and belittle the creator of the > universe.Also > > > it has consequent gain/supremacy of the inner ego. > > > > Ego needs to be directed and manipulated if we have to asses > > the > > > value of two different prosperities namely material and spirtual > > > progress.and identify which one is most important and essentail > to > > > us out of these two elements.one that ensures a wonderful future > > and > > > the other that elates only present .There the swing between gain > > and > > > loss that goes with material prosperity comes through kama bhava > > > > we have initially dharama indicating action/duty,artha that > > > comes as an effort and moksha to look forward without fear or > > > favour.Lets allow importance all the four to play but decide in > our > > > way the best one which undoubtedly spirtual progress. > > > > Are these not amounting to the vasanas? > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear bharath ji > > > > > > > > your posting is the best by far in this thread on listing out > the > > > > real reasons as to why India is still poor on "wealth" > parameter. > > > > > > > > however, spiritual wealth is undescribable and unexplainable > > which > > > > still lasts with infinite holy people safeguarding this holy > > > land. > > > > needless to retell the fact that crores of indians sacrificed > > > their > > > > lives to protect the ram mandir and two of the jyotirlingas > > > somnath > > > > and varanasi. thanks to iron man sardar patel, somnath is > back > > to > > > > its original place even though the most sacred varanashi > shivling > > > > continues to be in the makeshift temple instead of the > original > > > > temple which is now a mosque adjacent. > > > > > > > > mathematics is something which is strong in the southern parts > of > > > > the country and it is no wonder if, on an average, one member > of > > > > each family is in a great IT job, in India or abroad. thanks > to > > > > narayana murthy of infosys, ramalinga raju of satyam and > premji > > of > > > > wipro (besides TCS) India has regained its lost glory as the > > > world's > > > > # 1 country of IT professionals. slowly this niche speciality > of > > > > excellence in IT is exapanding to all service sectors > (including > > > > astrology!) whereby services sector is contributing maximum to > > the > > > > GDP and also higher employement. > > > > > > > > As per Goldman Sacchs report, Brazil, Russia, India and China > > > would > > > > be the four most superpowers for the future. > > > > > > > > all the countires who looted material wealth from india are > now > > > > standing in line to lay all their wealth at India's service > > > > professionals and the day is not far when all the wealth is > > > returned > > > > to india directly or indiretly. FIIs from all countries are > > > joining > > > > in their mad rush to invest in the Indian stock markets and > grab > > > > their pie of "india success story". > > > > > > > > unfortunately there are some perverted people who try to paint > > > such > > > > great motherland bharatmata and our godesses in nude to earn > few > > > > dollars but such people are in minority and cannot deface the > > > > holiness of our great motherland. > > > > > > > > in praise of "bharat mata" and with best wishes > > > > arjun > > > > , "Bharat Hindu > Astrology" > > > > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Surya > > > > > > > > > > If Artha is achieved through Dharma, it is in spirit of > Yagna. > > > > Sacrifice the > > > > > fruit of work is a new interpretation of Gita. What Gita > says > > is > > > > simple - > > > > > Accept whatever comes. This is called Prassadha Buddhi. As > the > > > > result of > > > > > actions come from the Lord. This means you will not be sad > or > > > > joyful by any > > > > > result. You will accept the result as Prasada from the Lord. > > > This > > > > is called > > > > > the spirit of Yagna, as you burn your karmas and do not > > generate > > > > new ones. > > > > > > > > > > To have wealth through dharma, is a pious goal. The wrong > > > attitude > > > > towards > > > > > wealth is a problem. Wealth attained through adharma is a > > > problem. > > > > One must > > > > > give only that much value to wealth that is required. Not > more, > > > > not less. > > > > > > > > > > If you further think, Raja Janaka did not give away his > kingdom > > > > Mithila nor > > > > > did Sri Krishna gave up his. > > > > > > > > > > Now, > > > > > Your whole question is based on want for wealth. You are > saying > > > > that India > > > > > is poor because indians haven't sacrificed the fruits of > > > actions. > > > > Which > > > > > essentially means that you want riches for India. Why do you > > > want > > > > riches for > > > > > India, because by your very definition, India should, then, > > > > sacrifice these > > > > > riches! Amazing contradiction and yet we have to hear this > > > > everyday from > > > > > psuedo-spiritualists. > > > > > > > > > > Furthermore, America, Norway, Switzerland, Germany are all > > > > considered rich. > > > > > I haven't seen them sacrificing any fruit of the action. So > > > kindly > > > > listen - > > > > > India is poor and slowly coming out of it. India is poor as > we > > > did > > > > not rob > > > > > any country of their land nor did we go looting other people > in > > > > other > > > > > countries. India is poor because we did not kill the native > > > > inhabitants of > > > > > any new land that they discovered and called it their own > (Like > > > > Europeans > > > > > have done to Australia, South Africa, South America, North > > > > America, and so > > > > > on and so forth). India is poor because when its people > needed > > > to > > > > unite > > > > > against the invaders like Mughals, Mongols, and the British, > > > they > > > > were > > > > > fighting with their own kind. India is poor because people > like > > > > the Queen of > > > > > England still has the Kohinoor diamond set in her crown when > > she > > > > very well > > > > > knows that it belongs to India. The same is the story of > Hope > > > > diamond that > > > > > was stolen from a Vishnu Temple. India is poor because we > let > > > > others come > > > > > and convert our beliefs, our culture and our way of thinking > > and > > > > we are > > > > > protecting the same through quotas and what not. Well this > is > > > > about material > > > > > wealth. > > > > > > > > > > Spiritual wealth is guarded by great saints and mahatmas, > who > > > are > > > > living > > > > > proof of the words of the Vedas. We will be truly poor in > every > > > > sense, if we > > > > > loose that wealth. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/14/06, surya <dattapr2000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Q) Sacrificing the ambition on the fruit of the work is > > > > sufficient. > > > > > > It is not necessary to sacrifice the fruit of the work as > per > > > > Gita. > > > > > > Is it not correct? > > > > > > > > > > > > A) In the very beginning itself (second Adhyaya) Gita says > > > that > > > > the > > > > > > fruit of the work must be sacrificed (Karmajam Buddhi > Yuktahi > > > > Phalam > > > > > > Tyaktva Maneeshinah). This means that realized scholars > > > sacrifice > > > > > > the fruit of the work. Gita keeps sacrifice of the fruit > of > > > the > > > > work > > > > > > on the top most level (Dhyanath Karma Phala Tyagah). > > According > > > to > > > > > > Veda sacrifice of fruit of work means sacrifice of money > only > > > > > > (Dhanena Tyagenaike). Karma Phalam means self-earned money > > with > > > > > > which the man is more attached. Reason for the inability > to > > do > > > > the > > > > > > sacrifice of fruit of work (Karma Phala Tyaga) is the > selfish > > > > > > ambition for the fruit of the work. Therefore if the > selfish > > > > > > ambition is removed, the fruit of the work can be easily > > > > sacrificed. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is funny to enjoy the fruit of work and say that he has > no > > > > > > ambition for the fruit of the work. In such case you must > > also > > > > enjoy > > > > > > the fruit of your sin in the hell i.e., cutting of your > > > muscles > > > > by > > > > > > knife etc., without any selfish ambition. > > > > > > > > > > > > Saktuprastha was tested in the sacrifice of the fruit of > the > > > > work, > > > > > > which alone can prove the lack of selfish ambition for the > > > fruit > > > > of > > > > > > the work. If one says that he has sacrificed the ambition > for > > > the > > > > > > fruit of the work and yet, enjoys the fruit of work is > trying > > > to > > > > > > fool the author of Gita. 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Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 dear sister nalini as you rightly understood these days wealth is playing a major role for getting the blessings of godmen. i know few people in delhi who got the most famous yoga expert on TV to visit their homes and bless them, of course only after a hefty donation. i know the industrialist who is a reputed defaulter to the tune of hundreds of crores, in whose house in delhi the wealthiest baba from andhra pradesh stays. similar is the case with most of the godmen. even in various ashrams, where affluent people throng on a periodical basis to serve their gurujis and do seva, are indeed enjoying paradise comforts after donating lakhs of rupees. few people from USA came to few gurus and lost their entire money and came to me for rescue. unfortunately such money spinners have spoilt the very sanctity of the guru we behold in our system. lo, some godmen have even publicly started telling their lakhs of disciples to stop worshipping other gods and worship his photo only. slowly the land of gods is turning into land of godmen. god realisation is turning into guru realisation. i have no personal opinion against any particular godmen as each has his or her own following of lakhs, millions or crores of disciples across the globe. however, every one who knows me knows that i speak the truth. true godmen are those like shirdi saibaba, ramakrishna paramahansa, ramana maharshi, swami vivekananda etc. with best wishes and regards arjun , "auromirra19" <nalini2818 wrote: > > [Om Namo Narayanaya} > Sri Krishnan ji, > As you rightly remarked earlier, rather than forsaking wealth > altogether it is better to renounce attachement or moha for wealth. > When we let go the attachment, then it does not matter whether we > have crores or tens of rupees. Ultimately it is that what counts, to > be not elated when rolling in money and not devastated when it is > lost. When there is no wealth, all thought is centered on generating > it., we do need a base to function, the minimum required to lead a > life. However much we try to vilify the act of earning/generating > money, it is the basis of life.We do not live in the bygone eras > where we could go to forests, retreat and focus on the Supreme. > When deprived of food, the craving for food is foremost, not > anything else. Only when that hunger is appeased does one think of > little else. Here I dont mean, fasting taken up voluntarily. > When a beggar on the cold streets, in rags and hunger, would rather > be given the basic necessities.It is human nature. The enlightenemnt > or rather the awakening should come from the inside, rather like the > light, Arjunji, mentioned. > I have noticed even in some ashrams and like places, the most > affluent among them is accorded celebrity status, has a SAY. So > even in spiritual places wealth does play its part. Mind you I am > cautious, not all of them are so. Some of which I know, I am > speaking about. > Hence it hardly matters where we are, what we are, if we are truly > in contact with our own Self,we are in the path of the quest for > reality that Arjunji mentioned. Whether we are wealthy, with a > string of letters after our name, it matters not a whiff. > EGO, so misunderstood a word in the dictionary. We can say Ye-go and > let it go. Easier said than done. But to accept having an EGO is far > better than not because unless we know that we have it how can we be > rid of it. Ego is certainly to be directed and manipulated into > achieving the spiritual prosperity, but care should be taken to be > rid of it as soon as the goal is reached. For this ego could also > assume "spirituality' and is a far dangerous enemy than the our > regular live-in. > As long as our eyes are on the"ball", our final goal can be reached. > Nalini > {Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya} > , vattem krishnan > <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > I have seen the various views emerging from Shri Rishi ji,Nalini > ji and RRJi and was trying to decode the vasanas arising out of long > and short memories embeded in the mother board. > > Sacrifice itself is to rub of something present in all of us.But > the two prosperities (material and spirtual) are interlinked and we > keep clicking the one for other to undergo experiences in > reality.The tendency to live in present makes us to remain away from > the spirtual progress. > > Spirtual wealth accumulated and being preserved by one and all > involves not attaching significance to material wealth.material > wealth has metric system which probably bothers whether in terms of > usage and exploitation.This exploitation takes place constantly to > satify human needs > > The resultant insecurity along with concerns for future is the > real botheration which every one of us involved .But then if we are > able to take over a minuete and peer through our inner minds it is > really gratifying to find that the creator of the universe has > always supported our actions to get the best and remain > contended.This(probably a Value based) addition should replace for > material prosperity.probably the whole issue becomes a tug of war in > which we are placed and find that tug of war is won by material > proserity and it entails recognition by way of status and power.we > forget in the process and belittle the creator of the universe.Also > it has consequent gain/supremacy of the inner ego. > > Ego needs to be directed and manipulated if we have to asses the > value of two different prosperities namely material and spirtual > progress.and identify which one is most important and essentail to > us out of these two elements.one that ensures a wonderful future and > the other that elates only present .There the swing between gain and > loss that goes with material prosperity comes through kama bhava > > we have initially dharama indicating action/duty,artha that > comes as an effort and moksha to look forward without fear or > favour.Lets allow importance all the four to play but decide in our > way the best one which undoubtedly spirtual progress. > > Are these not amounting to the vasanas? > > krishnan > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > dear bharath ji > > > > your posting is the best by far in this thread on listing out the > > real reasons as to why India is still poor on "wealth" parameter. > > > > however, spiritual wealth is undescribable and unexplainable which > > still lasts with infinite holy people safeguarding this holy > land. > > needless to retell the fact that crores of indians sacrificed > their > > lives to protect the ram mandir and two of the jyotirlingas > somnath > > and varanasi. thanks to iron man sardar patel, somnath is back to > > its original place even though the most sacred varanashi shivling > > continues to be in the makeshift temple instead of the original > > temple which is now a mosque adjacent. > > > > mathematics is something which is strong in the southern parts of > > the country and it is no wonder if, on an average, one member of > > each family is in a great IT job, in India or abroad. thanks to > > narayana murthy of infosys, ramalinga raju of satyam and premji of > > wipro (besides TCS) India has regained its lost glory as the > world's > > # 1 country of IT professionals. slowly this niche speciality of > > excellence in IT is exapanding to all service sectors (including > > astrology!) whereby services sector is contributing maximum to the > > GDP and also higher employement. > > > > As per Goldman Sacchs report, Brazil, Russia, India and China > would > > be the four most superpowers for the future. > > > > all the countires who looted material wealth from india are now > > standing in line to lay all their wealth at India's service > > professionals and the day is not far when all the wealth is > returned > > to india directly or indiretly. FIIs from all countries are > joining > > in their mad rush to invest in the Indian stock markets and grab > > their pie of "india success story". > > > > unfortunately there are some perverted people who try to paint > such > > great motherland bharatmata and our godesses in nude to earn few > > dollars but such people are in minority and cannot deface the > > holiness of our great motherland. > > > > in praise of "bharat mata" and with best wishes > > arjun > > , "Bharat Hindu Astrology" > > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Surya > > > > > > If Artha is achieved through Dharma, it is in spirit of Yagna. > > Sacrifice the > > > fruit of work is a new interpretation of Gita. What Gita says is > > simple - > > > Accept whatever comes. This is called Prassadha Buddhi. As the > > result of > > > actions come from the Lord. This means you will not be sad or > > joyful by any > > > result. You will accept the result as Prasada from the Lord. > This > > is called > > > the spirit of Yagna, as you burn your karmas and do not generate > > new ones. > > > > > > To have wealth through dharma, is a pious goal. The wrong > attitude > > towards > > > wealth is a problem. Wealth attained through adharma is a > problem. > > One must > > > give only that much value to wealth that is required. Not more, > > not less. > > > > > > If you further think, Raja Janaka did not give away his kingdom > > Mithila nor > > > did Sri Krishna gave up his. > > > > > > Now, > > > Your whole question is based on want for wealth. You are saying > > that India > > > is poor because indians haven't sacrificed the fruits of > actions. > > Which > > > essentially means that you want riches for India. Why do you > want > > riches for > > > India, because by your very definition, India should, then, > > sacrifice these > > > riches! Amazing contradiction and yet we have to hear this > > everyday from > > > psuedo-spiritualists. > > > > > > Furthermore, America, Norway, Switzerland, Germany are all > > considered rich. > > > I haven't seen them sacrificing any fruit of the action. So > kindly > > listen - > > > India is poor and slowly coming out of it. India is poor as we > did > > not rob > > > any country of their land nor did we go looting other people in > > other > > > countries. India is poor because we did not kill the native > > inhabitants of > > > any new land that they discovered and called it their own (Like > > Europeans > > > have done to Australia, South Africa, South America, North > > America, and so > > > on and so forth). India is poor because when its people needed > to > > unite > > > against the invaders like Mughals, Mongols, and the British, > they > > were > > > fighting with their own kind. India is poor because people like > > the Queen of > > > England still has the Kohinoor diamond set in her crown when she > > very well > > > knows that it belongs to India. The same is the story of Hope > > diamond that > > > was stolen from a Vishnu Temple. India is poor because we let > > others come > > > and convert our beliefs, our culture and our way of thinking and > > we are > > > protecting the same through quotas and what not. Well this is > > about material > > > wealth. > > > > > > Spiritual wealth is guarded by great saints and mahatmas, who > are > > living > > > proof of the words of the Vedas. We will be truly poor in every > > sense, if we > > > loose that wealth. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/14/06, surya <dattapr2000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Q) Sacrificing the ambition on the fruit of the work is > > sufficient. > > > > It is not necessary to sacrifice the fruit of the work as per > > Gita. > > > > Is it not correct? > > > > > > > > A) In the very beginning itself (second Adhyaya) Gita says > that > > the > > > > fruit of the work must be sacrificed (Karmajam Buddhi Yuktahi > > Phalam > > > > Tyaktva Maneeshinah). This means that realized scholars > sacrifice > > > > the fruit of the work. Gita keeps sacrifice of the fruit of > the > > work > > > > on the top most level (Dhyanath Karma Phala Tyagah). According > to > > > > Veda sacrifice of fruit of work means sacrifice of money only > > > > (Dhanena Tyagenaike). Karma Phalam means self-earned money with > > > > which the man is more attached. Reason for the inability to do > > the > > > > sacrifice of fruit of work (Karma Phala Tyaga) is the selfish > > > > ambition for the fruit of the work. Therefore if the selfish > > > > ambition is removed, the fruit of the work can be easily > > sacrificed. > > > > > > > > It is funny to enjoy the fruit of work and say that he has no > > > > ambition for the fruit of the work. In such case you must also > > enjoy > > > > the fruit of your sin in the hell i.e., cutting of your > muscles > > by > > > > knife etc., without any selfish ambition. > > > > > > > > Saktuprastha was tested in the sacrifice of the fruit of the > > work, > > > > which alone can prove the lack of selfish ambition for the > fruit > > of > > > > the work. If one says that he has sacrificed the ambition for > the > > > > fruit of the work and yet, enjoys the fruit of work is trying > to > > > > fool the author of Gita. In turn the Lord will fool him in the > > hell. > > > > > > > > > > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > > > surya > > > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Surya ji, > > > > > is this the concluding part?why sacrifice? why not > > detachment to > > > > wealth Earn what you can and live with what ever is in your > > > > possession and lead a most satwic life if at all any > sacrifice > > is > > > > needed it is only the ego that is to be sacrifice through > worship > > > > and self realisation and nothing else > > > > > krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > RELISH THE > > > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic astrology</gads? > > > t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Astrology+chart&w3=Astro > > logy+software&c=3&s=66&.sig=J4qyGil5eV2i9Ap5WrCxGA> Astrology > > > > chart</gads? > > > t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Astrology+chart&w3=Astro > > logy+software&c=3&s=66&.sig=wUNSPkpcCWBNKVC02XZwpA> Astrology > > > > software</gads? > > > t=ms&k=Astrology+software&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Astrology+chart&w3=As > > trology+software&c=3&s=66&.sig=3jj0XZDEwU9j8-CVSM4CLQ> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Visit your > > > group "<Jyotish_Remedie > > s>" > > > > on the web. > > > > > > > > - > > > > - > > <- > > ?subject=Un> > > > > > > > > - Terms > of > > > > Service <>. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love cheap thrills? 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Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 Shirdi Sai used to ask Guru Dakshina from everybody to teach this important sacrifice. He criticized a merchant who came for Brahma Jnana but was not giving even Rs.5/- from his pocket. Mr. Patil, a farmer used to donate the entire yearly crop to Baba and took back whatever Baba gave back to him. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > dear sister nalini > > i have no personal opinion against any particular godmen as each has his or her own following of lakhs, millions or crores of disciples across the globe. however, every one who knows me knows that i speak the truth. > > true godmen are those like shirdi saibaba, ramakrishna paramahansa, ramana maharshi, swami vivekananda etc. > > with best wishes and regards > arjun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 dear friend surya ji even while several queries were coming from several highly learnt members simultaneously, you have been answering each and every mail with sound logic based on the scriptures. i personally appreciate your knowledge and your willingness to share the same. however, it takes several years or decades to accept any human incarnation as a god especially in the present times when godmen's ashrams have become NGOs to mop up hundreds and thousands of crores of rupees. with best wishes arjun , "surya" <dattapr2000 wrote: > > Shirdi Sai used to ask Guru Dakshina from everybody to teach this > important sacrifice. He criticized a merchant who came for Brahma > Jnana but was not giving even Rs.5/- from his pocket. > > Mr. Patil, a farmer used to donate the entire yearly crop to Baba > and took back whatever Baba gave back to him. > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > surya > www.universal-spirituality.org > > "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > dear sister nalini > > > > i have no personal opinion against any particular godmen as each > has his or her own following of lakhs, millions or crores of > disciples across the globe. however, every one who knows me knows > that i speak the truth. > > > > true godmen are those like shirdi saibaba, ramakrishna > paramahansa, ramana maharshi, swami vivekananda etc. > > > > with best wishes and regards > > arjun > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 {Om Namo Narayanaya} Suryaji, When Shirdi Sai demanded money from the merchant, it was to test him , his attachment to the five rupee. He used to spend the amount on buying oil for the lamps at the Dwarkamayi. Once he knew that the person voluntarily gave money he never accepted or asked him again. Strange and insrcutable are the ways of Baba. Nalini (Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya} , "surya" <dattapr2000 wrote: > > Shirdi Sai used to ask Guru Dakshina from everybody to teach this > important sacrifice. He criticized a merchant who came for Brahma > Jnana but was not giving even Rs.5/- from his pocket. > > Mr. Patil, a farmer used to donate the entire yearly crop to Baba > and took back whatever Baba gave back to him. > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > surya > www.universal-spirituality.org > > "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > dear sister nalini > > > > i have no personal opinion against any particular godmen as each > has his or her own following of lakhs, millions or crores of > disciples across the globe. however, every one who knows me knows > that i speak the truth. > > > > true godmen are those like shirdi saibaba, ramakrishna > paramahansa, ramana maharshi, swami vivekananda etc. > > > > with best wishes and regards > > arjun > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 In those words, Naliniji, you have encompassed the entire creation. I guess, that is why, they say only a mother can really understand. Thankyou for those wise words Rishi , "auromirra19" <nalini2818 wrote: > > {Om Namo Narayanaya} > > Dear RRji, > What to say of MA. That beloved one who so loves all her children. > No matter how busy is she in her "LILA" she never loses her sight of > the children, a toddler, fumbles and tumbles, pronto she is there. > All she asks of us is not to lose sight of her, while we play, play > and venture outside. we should as all children do, play for awhile > and come running, check up on MA, go back reassured. > Nalini > {OM Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya} > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Dear Nalini, > > > > A part of your email caught my eye, hence I focus on that (I did > read > > the rest of your posting in case you are wondering!) > > > > <<Whether we are wealthy, with a > > > string of letters after our name,>> > > > > Curiously, when I was growing up in India (three quite diverse > > provinces), in the 50s and 60s and 70s the firmly held belief was > > that Lakshmi and Saraswati Didis hardly ever stay together in the > > same household! I think it was a ploy on the part of treasury > board > > to keep the teachers and professors proud but poor!! > > > > Suddenly the rules changed! Intellect revolted and began grabbing > > money and power was next to follow! The trend continues. > > > > Spirituality though, has always shied away from both power and > money! > > The examples that we see in modern times where spirituality was > > associated with money -- power usually accompanied. And the two > were > > also CORRELATED with intellect! > > > > Sometimes one wonders if intellect could become a problem and > does! > > Sri Ramkrishna paramahansa was the prototype of the wise savant > that > > was not an intellectual giant. But then MA had to come and confuse > us > > by sending to this simple saint a disciple that was undeniably an > > intellectual giant! As if to say that simplicity and belief alone > is > > not everything, but the intellect and scepticism (That Narendra > guy!) > > are part of her plan too. Everything in fact around us that we > see, > > regardless of what we love and what we hate. It is like a kitchen > > with all these ugly tasting and looking stuff but when we look at > the > > final product, we wonder what magic happened! > > > > MA has so much fun with her hapless and helpless children who are > > trying to figure out the playroom and the patterns therein. She > > brought us into this world -- we owe it to Her to bring a smile to > > her divine lips through our infantile activity. > > > > I do my part, but have you (all) done yours? > > > > RR > > > > > > , "auromirra19" > > <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > > > > [Om Namo Narayanaya} > > > Sri Krishnan ji, > > > As you rightly remarked earlier, rather than forsaking wealth > > > altogether it is better to renounce attachement or moha for > wealth. > > > When we let go the attachment, then it does not matter whether > we > > > have crores or tens of rupees. Ultimately it is that what > counts, > > to > > > be not elated when rolling in money and not devastated when it > is > > > lost. When there is no wealth, all thought is centered on > > generating > > > it., we do need a base to function, the minimum required to lead > a > > > life. However much we try to vilify the act of > earning/generating > > > money, it is the basis of life.We do not live in the bygone eras > > > where we could go to forests, retreat and focus on the Supreme. > > > When deprived of food, the craving for food is foremost, not > > > anything else. Only when that hunger is appeased does one think > of > > > little else. Here I dont mean, fasting taken up voluntarily. > > > When a beggar on the cold streets, in rags and hunger, would > > rather > > > be given the basic necessities.It is human nature. The > > enlightenemnt > > > or rather the awakening should come from the inside, rather like > > the > > > light, Arjunji, mentioned. > > > I have noticed even in some ashrams and like places, the most > > > affluent among them is accorded celebrity status, has a SAY. So > > > even in spiritual places wealth does play its part. Mind you I > am > > > cautious, not all of them are so. Some of which I know, I am > > > speaking about. > > > Hence it hardly matters where we are, what we are, if we are > truly > > > in contact with our own Self,we are in the path of the quest for > > > reality that Arjunji mentioned. Whether we are wealthy, with a > > > string of letters after our name, it matters not a whiff. > > > EGO, so misunderstood a word in the dictionary. We can say Ye- go > > and > > > let it go. Easier said than done. But to accept having an EGO is > > far > > > better than not because unless we know that we have it how can > we > > be > > > rid of it. Ego is certainly to be directed and manipulated into > > > achieving the spiritual prosperity, but care should be taken to > be > > > rid of it as soon as the goal is reached. For this ego could > also > > > assume "spirituality' and is a far dangerous enemy than the our > > > regular live-in. > > > As long as our eyes are on the"ball", our final goal can be > reached. > > > Nalini > > > {Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya} > > > , vattem krishnan > > > <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > I have seen the various views emerging from Shri Rishi > > ji,Nalini > > > ji and RRJi and was trying to decode the vasanas arising out of > > long > > > and short memories embeded in the mother board. > > > > Sacrifice itself is to rub of something present in all of > > us.But > > > the two prosperities (material and spirtual) are interlinked and > we > > > keep clicking the one for other to undergo experiences in > > > reality.The tendency to live in present makes us to remain away > > from > > > the spirtual progress. > > > > Spirtual wealth accumulated and being preserved by one and > all > > > involves not attaching significance to material wealth.material > > > wealth has metric system which probably bothers whether in terms > of > > > usage and exploitation.This exploitation takes place constantly > to > > > satify human needs > > > > The resultant insecurity along with concerns for future is > the > > > real botheration which every one of us involved .But then if we > are > > > able to take over a minuete and peer through our inner minds it > is > > > really gratifying to find that the creator of the universe has > > > always supported our actions to get the best and remain > > > contended.This(probably a Value based) addition should replace > for > > > material prosperity.probably the whole issue becomes a tug of > war > > in > > > which we are placed and find that tug of war is won by material > > > proserity and it entails recognition by way of status and > power.we > > > forget in the process and belittle the creator of the > universe.Also > > > it has consequent gain/supremacy of the inner ego. > > > > Ego needs to be directed and manipulated if we have to asses > > the > > > value of two different prosperities namely material and spirtual > > > progress.and identify which one is most important and essentail > to > > > us out of these two elements.one that ensures a wonderful future > > and > > > the other that elates only present .There the swing between gain > > and > > > loss that goes with material prosperity comes through kama bhava > > > > we have initially dharama indicating action/duty,artha that > > > comes as an effort and moksha to look forward without fear or > > > favour.Lets allow importance all the four to play but decide in > our > > > way the best one which undoubtedly spirtual progress. > > > > Are these not amounting to the vasanas? > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear bharath ji > > > > > > > > your posting is the best by far in this thread on listing out > the > > > > real reasons as to why India is still poor on "wealth" > parameter. > > > > > > > > however, spiritual wealth is undescribable and unexplainable > > which > > > > still lasts with infinite holy people safeguarding this holy > > > land. > > > > needless to retell the fact that crores of indians sacrificed > > > their > > > > lives to protect the ram mandir and two of the jyotirlingas > > > somnath > > > > and varanasi. thanks to iron man sardar patel, somnath is > back > > to > > > > its original place even though the most sacred varanashi > shivling > > > > continues to be in the makeshift temple instead of the > original > > > > temple which is now a mosque adjacent. > > > > > > > > mathematics is something which is strong in the southern parts > of > > > > the country and it is no wonder if, on an average, one member > of > > > > each family is in a great IT job, in India or abroad. thanks > to > > > > narayana murthy of infosys, ramalinga raju of satyam and > premji > > of > > > > wipro (besides TCS) India has regained its lost glory as the > > > world's > > > > # 1 country of IT professionals. slowly this niche speciality > of > > > > excellence in IT is exapanding to all service sectors > (including > > > > astrology!) whereby services sector is contributing maximum to > > the > > > > GDP and also higher employement. > > > > > > > > As per Goldman Sacchs report, Brazil, Russia, India and China > > > would > > > > be the four most superpowers for the future. > > > > > > > > all the countires who looted material wealth from india are > now > > > > standing in line to lay all their wealth at India's service > > > > professionals and the day is not far when all the wealth is > > > returned > > > > to india directly or indiretly. FIIs from all countries are > > > joining > > > > in their mad rush to invest in the Indian stock markets and > grab > > > > their pie of "india success story". > > > > > > > > unfortunately there are some perverted people who try to paint > > > such > > > > great motherland bharatmata and our godesses in nude to earn > few > > > > dollars but such people are in minority and cannot deface the > > > > holiness of our great motherland. > > > > > > > > in praise of "bharat mata" and with best wishes > > > > arjun > > > > , "Bharat Hindu > Astrology" > > > > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Surya > > > > > > > > > > If Artha is achieved through Dharma, it is in spirit of > Yagna. > > > > Sacrifice the > > > > > fruit of work is a new interpretation of Gita. What Gita > says > > is > > > > simple - > > > > > Accept whatever comes. This is called Prassadha Buddhi. As > the > > > > result of > > > > > actions come from the Lord. This means you will not be sad > or > > > > joyful by any > > > > > result. You will accept the result as Prasada from the Lord. > > > This > > > > is called > > > > > the spirit of Yagna, as you burn your karmas and do not > > generate > > > > new ones. > > > > > > > > > > To have wealth through dharma, is a pious goal. The wrong > > > attitude > > > > towards > > > > > wealth is a problem. Wealth attained through adharma is a > > > problem. > > > > One must > > > > > give only that much value to wealth that is required. Not > more, > > > > not less. > > > > > > > > > > If you further think, Raja Janaka did not give away his > kingdom > > > > Mithila nor > > > > > did Sri Krishna gave up his. > > > > > > > > > > Now, > > > > > Your whole question is based on want for wealth. You are > saying > > > > that India > > > > > is poor because indians haven't sacrificed the fruits of > > > actions. > > > > Which > > > > > essentially means that you want riches for India. Why do you > > > want > > > > riches for > > > > > India, because by your very definition, India should, then, > > > > sacrifice these > > > > > riches! Amazing contradiction and yet we have to hear this > > > > everyday from > > > > > psuedo-spiritualists. > > > > > > > > > > Furthermore, America, Norway, Switzerland, Germany are all > > > > considered rich. > > > > > I haven't seen them sacrificing any fruit of the action. So > > > kindly > > > > listen - > > > > > India is poor and slowly coming out of it. India is poor as > we > > > did > > > > not rob > > > > > any country of their land nor did we go looting other people > in > > > > other > > > > > countries. India is poor because we did not kill the native > > > > inhabitants of > > > > > any new land that they discovered and called it their own > (Like > > > > Europeans > > > > > have done to Australia, South Africa, South America, North > > > > America, and so > > > > > on and so forth). India is poor because when its people > needed > > > to > > > > unite > > > > > against the invaders like Mughals, Mongols, and the British, > > > they > > > > were > > > > > fighting with their own kind. India is poor because people > like > > > > the Queen of > > > > > England still has the Kohinoor diamond set in her crown when > > she > > > > very well > > > > > knows that it belongs to India. The same is the story of > Hope > > > > diamond that > > > > > was stolen from a Vishnu Temple. India is poor because we > let > > > > others come > > > > > and convert our beliefs, our culture and our way of thinking > > and > > > > we are > > > > > protecting the same through quotas and what not. Well this > is > > > > about material > > > > > wealth. > > > > > > > > > > Spiritual wealth is guarded by great saints and mahatmas, > who > > > are > > > > living > > > > > proof of the words of the Vedas. We will be truly poor in > every > > > > sense, if we > > > > > loose that wealth. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/14/06, surya <dattapr2000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Q) Sacrificing the ambition on the fruit of the work is > > > > sufficient. > > > > > > It is not necessary to sacrifice the fruit of the work as > per > > > > Gita. > > > > > > Is it not correct? > > > > > > > > > > > > A) In the very beginning itself (second Adhyaya) Gita says > > > that > > > > the > > > > > > fruit of the work must be sacrificed (Karmajam Buddhi > Yuktahi > > > > Phalam > > > > > > Tyaktva Maneeshinah). This means that realized scholars > > > sacrifice > > > > > > the fruit of the work. Gita keeps sacrifice of the fruit > of > > > the > > > > work > > > > > > on the top most level (Dhyanath Karma Phala Tyagah). > > According > > > to > > > > > > Veda sacrifice of fruit of work means sacrifice of money > only > > > > > > (Dhanena Tyagenaike). Karma Phalam means self-earned money > > with > > > > > > which the man is more attached. Reason for the inability > to > > do > > > > the > > > > > > sacrifice of fruit of work (Karma Phala Tyaga) is the > selfish > > > > > > ambition for the fruit of the work. Therefore if the > selfish > > > > > > ambition is removed, the fruit of the work can be easily > > > > sacrificed. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is funny to enjoy the fruit of work and say that he has > no > > > > > > ambition for the fruit of the work. In such case you must > > also > > > > enjoy > > > > > > the fruit of your sin in the hell i.e., cutting of your > > > muscles > > > > by > > > > > > knife etc., without any selfish ambition. > > > > > > > > > > > > Saktuprastha was tested in the sacrifice of the fruit of > the > > > > work, > > > > > > which alone can prove the lack of selfish ambition for the > > > fruit > > > > of > > > > > > the work. If one says that he has sacrificed the ambition > for > > > the > > > > > > fruit of the work and yet, enjoys the fruit of work is > trying > > > to > > > > > > fool the author of Gita. In turn the Lord will fool him in > > the > > > > hell. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > > > > > surya > > > > > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > > > > > > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Surya ji, > > > > > > > is this the concluding part?why sacrifice? why not > > > > detachment to > > > > > > wealth Earn what you can and live with what ever is in your > > > > > > possession and lead a most satwic life if at all any > > > sacrifice > > > > is > > > > > > needed it is only the ego that is to be sacrifice through > > > worship > > > > > > and self realisation and nothing else > > > > > > > krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY > AND > > > > RELISH THE > > > > > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic astrology</gads? > > > > > > > > > > t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Astrology+chart&w3=Astro > > > > logy+software&c=3&s=66&.sig=J4qyGil5eV2i9Ap5WrCxGA> Astrology > > > > > > chart</gads? > > > > > > > > > > t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Astrology+chart&w3=Astro > > > > logy+software&c=3&s=66&.sig=wUNSPkpcCWBNKVC02XZwpA> Astrology > > > > > > software</gads? > > > > > > > > > > t=ms&k=Astrology+software&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Astrology+chart&w3=As > > > > trology+software&c=3&s=66&.sig=3jj0XZDEwU9j8-CVSM4CLQ> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Visit your > > > > > > > > > > group "<Jyotish_Remedie > > > > s>" > > > > > > on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > - > > > > <- > > > > ?subject=Un> > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > Terms > > > of > > > > > > Service <>. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > RELISH > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms > of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love cheap thrills? 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Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 Q) What is the reason for the very strong obstruction in spreading the true knowledge in this world? A) The true God comes down in human form with true knowledge and His few true devotees accompany him. These few devotees belong to His inner most circles and constitute His family. In Satyaloka (True world), He is surrounded by millions of angels and sages, who will be hearing the true knowledge from His mouth. All of them are His followers and they constantly praise Him. After some time the Lord wants some rest and He comes down to the earth along with His family. On this earth nobody recognizes Him, nobody listens Him and nobody follows Him. It is just like a big officer disgusted with the large crowd in his office goes to some foreign place along with his family, where he is not identified. The Lord emits the true knowledge on the earth and His own family members who are in the human form will only listen and follow Him. What is the use of that drama here? Already they were His followers. The aim of this drama is to inspire the people of this world so that at least one person on the earth can become His follower. Gita says the same (Kaschitmam..). The Lord is not fond of money or fame because He is the husband of the Goddess of wealth. He is not fond of the fame, because He was bored with the fame as millions of sages and angels praise Him. When the Lord comes as preacher, He is called Satguru. The other human beings are called as only Gurus. These Gurus are fond of money and fame. They don't know the true knowledge. Even if they know they will not preach it because not a single person will turn to them. Infact even in the case of Satguru, same is the case but His followers who accompanied Him are turning to Him. Therefore the Guru preaches false knowledge following the psychology of ignorant people. To please the ignorant person, you must preach him strictly following his psychology. Even if you say something in addition, that should not contradict his basic psychology. For Ex: - when you preach a blind person, he will be happy if you say that there is always darkness in this world. He will be happy since he always experiences the darkness. In addition, if you say that there is Sun on the sky, you must say that the Sun is also black. He will be happy to this additional Sun because the Sun is also black. Suppose you say that there is light in the world, he will not agree since it contradicts his experience of darkness. Suppose you establish the existence of light and the existence of illuminating Sun through powerful logic, he will become emotional and violent because your concept not only contradicts his experience, but also could not be defeated by his counter logic. It is a double blow on him. Kauravas did not concede the preaching of Lord Krishna for the same reason. The priests for the same reason opposed the preachings of Jesus. Mohammed fought with several religious leaders for the same reason. The priests who were killing animals in the sacrifice opposed Buddha. Conservative religious leaders oppose even a true scientist. The scientist wants practical proof and logical proof. All the human incarnations never adjusted themselves to the world. They preached the true knowledge only because their aim was the future generations. One generation is nothing compared to millions and millions of generations on this earth. When the Lord comes down as Paripurna Avatara, His devotees existing in Brahmaloka or Satyaloka come down along with Him to assist His mission. The other human incarnations are the human forms into which the power of the Lord enters. Such human incarnations are called Avataras of Kala, Amsa etc. Such incarnations are followed by the devotees existing in the lower worlds below Satyaloka, which are called as Jnana Loka, Tapoloka, Maharloka etc. When the Lord Himself exists in the human body that is called Paripurna Avatara like Lord Krishna. In the case of Purnaavatara also the Lord exists but does not emit the true knowledge like Rama. The human incarnations from the upper worlds come to the earth. In the same manner the human incarnations of Saturn (Kali) also come to the earth from the lower worlds below the earth. These worlds are called as Asura Lokas, which are the abodes of demons. These lower worlds are called as intensive hells. A soul fallen in these hells is condemned and can never return to the earth. There is a hell in the upper worlds also. Such souls, which can be rectified by punishment, will enter that hell in which the Lord is sitting in an energetic body called `Yama'. Veda says that a soul, which harmed itself by turning towards the world, is committing the real suicide. Such soul goes to the lower permanent hells. Thus both the divine and evil forces enter the earth and fight with each other. In this Kaliyuga the strength for divine force is only one-fourth. It is like a question with multiple choice having three wrong answers and one correct answer. Lord can destroy all the evil forces in a fraction of a second. But He allows the opposing force because both the forces are essential for a game. This world gives entertainment to the Lord like a game. Veda says that the purpose of the creation by the Lord is only the playful entertainment. Moreover, if one comes out with such multiple- choice questions, such success is real. Whatever the Lord does, it is always multi-dimensional. Therefore, you should not be discouraged by this severe test. Your devotion and determination in the service have a real test in this Kali age. Sankara emitted the true knowledge irrespective of various opposing scholars. Finally He was killed by the black magic of Kapalikas. He died by the disease called `Bhagandhara', which is flow of blood. Kapalikas tried to cut His head also. But He never feared and established the true knowledge for the future generations. Similarly, Jesus, Bhuddha and Mohammed. Even Swami Dayananda was killed by food poisoning, because he established the true knowledge based on Vedas and Sastras. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org "auromirra19" <nalini2818 wrote: > > {Om Namo Narayanaya} > Suryaji, > When Shirdi Sai demanded money from the merchant, it was to test > him , his attachment to the five rupee. He used to spend the amount > on buying oil for the lamps at the Dwarkamayi. Once he knew that the > person voluntarily gave money he never accepted or asked him again. > Strange and insrcutable are the ways of Baba. > Nalini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 dera sister nalini ji great are the miracles of god. if shirdi saibaba asks few rupees, he is testing his disciple and no probs. if puttaparti saibaba collects donations from foreigners and turn the entire draught affected parched lands of anantpur district into a developed district and provided drinking water facility for all people in the district and set up free super speciality hospital and educational institutions, he is referred as a godman with money intentions. when i was a child i heard a true story that all the archakas at tirupati balaji temple while cleaning the sanctum sanctorum (with eyes folded with a cloth as per their custom) they found a human feet in the place of lord balaji. then the archakas opened their eyes and found puttaparti saibaba standing there only to vanish in few minutes. then they called the prashanti nilayam in puttaparti to find that saibaba is there only in puttaparti. the miracles of any godman are accepted by the followers only after they themselves witness the miracles. Tirumala Tirupati Devasthanam is run by an IAS officer and they need not lie to spread a miracle performed by puttaparti saibaba. i was a follower of puttaparti saibaba for several decades and when he used to sing his bhajan in his own voice "prema mudita manas kaho ram ram ram...." all devotees used to go into a devotional trans with the word "ram" reverberating everywhere. in the name of testing the king "harischandra", he was made a pauper, made to sell his wife and lone son and sell himself as a worker in the burial ground. there we dont find any fault with the gods or sages for subjecting harischandra to all difficulties in the name of testing. we often hear atheists questioning that if god wants to test me by subjecting me to all difficulties, he is not a god and i dont believe him. when i was working in a large MNC, the head of that organisation who is an athiest said that he dont believe in god because he drives an airconditioned Merc while several people are begging on the roads. so god is a biased sadist who subjects millions to suffering and bless paradise comforts to few. so, we have all kinds of people seeing god as a benevelont almighty who blesses the disciple and give boons or a cruel person who knows only testing the disciples with all difficulties. all these thoughts keep coming and going till one reaches the reality and knows the truth. kings, sages, demons and humans got the darshan of the lord and got the boons they wanted ONLY AFTER SACRIFICING THEIR COMFORTS, FAMILIES AND KEPT PRAYING THE GOD FOR YEARS, DECADES AND CENTURIES. may jupiter's light shine on all in knowing the truth. with best wishes arjun , "auromirra19" <nalini2818 wrote: > > {Om Namo Narayanaya} > Suryaji, > When Shirdi Sai demanded money from the merchant, it was to test > him , his attachment to the five rupee. He used to spend the amount > on buying oil for the lamps at the Dwarkamayi. Once he knew that the > person voluntarily gave money he never accepted or asked him again. > Strange and insrcutable are the ways of Baba. > Nalini > (Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya} > , "surya" <dattapr2000@> > wrote: > > > > Shirdi Sai used to ask Guru Dakshina from everybody to teach this > > important sacrifice. He criticized a merchant who came for Brahma > > Jnana but was not giving even Rs.5/- from his pocket. > > > > Mr. Patil, a farmer used to donate the entire yearly crop to Baba > > and took back whatever Baba gave back to him. > > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > surya > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > dear sister nalini > > > > > > i have no personal opinion against any particular godmen as each > > has his or her own following of lakhs, millions or crores of > > disciples across the globe. however, every one who knows me > knows > > that i speak the truth. > > > > > > true godmen are those like shirdi saibaba, ramakrishna > > paramahansa, ramana maharshi, swami vivekananda etc. > > > > > > with best wishes and regards > > > arjun > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 Arjun ji and Nalini ji, From Shirdi to Prasnata Nilayam by means of physical boundaries may be lot.But if we really go by their language(include also body language) a striking similarity is inferrable.Both have shown to their devotees through their miracles that faith heals and cures untold miseries.This faith basically emnates if only we suurrender to one supreme power,the creator of universe,every thing in this universe is in your reach. when i was just 8-10 yrs old my uncle studying in those days in IISC banglore used to get up and recite Om early morning and do satyasai bhajans.I know this diversion has come as he was not able to clear his engg graduation.he is no doubt sincere,honest and wanted to come up life but then some unknown and unanticipated difficulties always tested him causing break in his studies. Infact satya sai,pttaparti sai whom we rever today also has directed his subsequent happenings in his life,my uncle a worthy person of some gratis. such faith is not uncommon.whether these Godmen are attracting foreigners or foreigners are reaching to join in the bandwagon is not issue which we need to discuss in this forum.But the kind of social service they do to society and the benifits have nots get from such pious men is not disputable.when I mean this I mean also Shri Sai as well laughing saint Mata Amritaananda Mayye.These personalities have grace in them,there uniqueness in their understanding about men and matter and very capable to cross all barriers and convey to the common man. Infact I still rmember Satyam,Sivam,Sundaram buildings inaguration in late 60 in the capital of Andhra Pradesh when only Puttaparti Saibaba had.His communication,his understanding and his expalnation to impress the common man about the philosophy and God are striking.No doubt I was stumped even till date. The same is the case with Mata Amritananada Mayee. certainly the pious His Hoilness Sri Sankaracharya in early 70s to 80 true to his sanyasi nature used to visit village for bikshatan and performance of padaprakshalanam etc.These personalities are ceratinly beyond our common undrstanding.when ever we think of Great Tyagarajan,the singing saint and recollect about "yendaro mahanubahvulu andariki "we find great feelings they are spirtual and conveyed lot we cherish them for all times krishan panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dera sister nalini ji great are the miracles of god. if shirdi saibaba asks few rupees, he is testing his disciple and no probs. if puttaparti saibaba collects donations from foreigners and turn the entire draught affected parched lands of anantpur district into a developed district and provided drinking water facility for all people in the district and set up free super speciality hospital and educational institutions, he is referred as a godman with money intentions. when i was a child i heard a true story that all the archakas at tirupati balaji temple while cleaning the sanctum sanctorum (with eyes folded with a cloth as per their custom) they found a human feet in the place of lord balaji. then the archakas opened their eyes and found puttaparti saibaba standing there only to vanish in few minutes. then they called the prashanti nilayam in puttaparti to find that saibaba is there only in puttaparti. the miracles of any godman are accepted by the followers only after they themselves witness the miracles. Tirumala Tirupati Devasthanam is run by an IAS officer and they need not lie to spread a miracle performed by puttaparti saibaba. i was a follower of puttaparti saibaba for several decades and when he used to sing his bhajan in his own voice "prema mudita manas kaho ram ram ram...." all devotees used to go into a devotional trans with the word "ram" reverberating everywhere. in the name of testing the king "harischandra", he was made a pauper, made to sell his wife and lone son and sell himself as a worker in the burial ground. there we dont find any fault with the gods or sages for subjecting harischandra to all difficulties in the name of testing. we often hear atheists questioning that if god wants to test me by subjecting me to all difficulties, he is not a god and i dont believe him. when i was working in a large MNC, the head of that organisation who is an athiest said that he dont believe in god because he drives an airconditioned Merc while several people are begging on the roads. so god is a biased sadist who subjects millions to suffering and bless paradise comforts to few. so, we have all kinds of people seeing god as a benevelont almighty who blesses the disciple and give boons or a cruel person who knows only testing the disciples with all difficulties. all these thoughts keep coming and going till one reaches the reality and knows the truth. kings, sages, demons and humans got the darshan of the lord and got the boons they wanted ONLY AFTER SACRIFICING THEIR COMFORTS, FAMILIES AND KEPT PRAYING THE GOD FOR YEARS, DECADES AND CENTURIES. may jupiter's light shine on all in knowing the truth. with best wishes arjun , "auromirra19" <nalini2818 wrote: > > {Om Namo Narayanaya} > Suryaji, > When Shirdi Sai demanded money from the merchant, it was to test > him , his attachment to the five rupee. He used to spend the amount > on buying oil for the lamps at the Dwarkamayi. Once he knew that the > person voluntarily gave money he never accepted or asked him again. > Strange and insrcutable are the ways of Baba. > Nalini > (Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya} > , "surya" <dattapr2000@> > wrote: > > > > Shirdi Sai used to ask Guru Dakshina from everybody to teach this > > important sacrifice. He criticized a merchant who came for Brahma > > Jnana but was not giving even Rs.5/- from his pocket. > > > > Mr. Patil, a farmer used to donate the entire yearly crop to Baba > > and took back whatever Baba gave back to him. > > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > surya > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > dear sister nalini > > > > > > i have no personal opinion against any particular godmen as each > > has his or her own following of lakhs, millions or crores of > > disciples across the globe. however, every one who knows me > knows > > that i speak the truth. > > > > > > true godmen are those like shirdi saibaba, ramakrishna > > paramahansa, ramana maharshi, swami vivekananda etc. > > > > > > with best wishes and regards > > > arjun > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "" on the web. 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Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 dear krishnan ji in the childhood itself i was a member of satyasaibaba's Bal Vikas and we used to worship him in a community function every thursday and sing various bhajans. however ever since we left our native place and came to delhi for working in MNCs spending more than half day in the office, all these holy bhajans are lost. after counting millions of rupees and losing them, i realised that wealth can never bring happiness to a person and true happiness can come only by coming close to god in any form or any shape or even formless. what surya ji was sharing is correct in many senses. basic requirement of money is not a sin in itself but the attachment to money and greed for having more money is the rootcause of all problems. you being a senior professor and even after spending 12 hours daily in the institute, are taking time out to read various charts and type out the analysis both in the groups and in private mails absolutely freely. this is a kind of service to god by finding god in the suffering querents. even sharing knowledge is a divine service. as swami vivekananda observed manav seva is equal to madhav seva. i personally believe that if we do not worship any godman, no problem but we shall not criticise him either. after sri ravishankar's satsangs and various bhajans beamed on the holy channels like Astha, Samskar, Sadhana and Jaagran, more and more modern families in the metros are also organising family bhajan programs at their houses periodically and are turning to god. there is a growing change in the entire world towards reaching god in their own ways and if every one does this truthfully, we all can convert this kaliyuga into a satyayuga. with best wishes arjun , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Arjun ji and Nalini ji, > From Shirdi to Prasnata Nilayam by means of physical boundaries may be lot.But if we really go by their language(include also body language) a striking similarity is inferrable.Both have shown to their devotees through their miracles that faith heals and cures untold miseries.This faith basically emnates if only we suurrender to one supreme power,the creator of universe,every thing in this universe is in your reach. > when i was just 8-10 yrs old my uncle studying in those days in IISC banglore used to get up and recite Om early morning and do satyasai bhajans.I know this diversion has come as he was not able to clear his engg graduation.he is no doubt sincere,honest and wanted to come up life but then some unknown and unanticipated difficulties always tested him causing break in his studies. > Infact satya sai,pttaparti sai whom we rever today also has directed his subsequent happenings in his life,my uncle a worthy person of some gratis. > such faith is not uncommon.whether these Godmen are attracting foreigners or foreigners are reaching to join in the bandwagon is not issue which we need to discuss in this forum.But the kind of social service they do to society and the benifits have nots get from such pious men is not disputable.when I mean this I mean also Shri Sai as well laughing saint Mata Amritaananda Mayye.These personalities have grace in them,there uniqueness in their understanding about men and matter and very capable to cross all barriers and convey to the common man. > Infact I still rmember Satyam,Sivam,Sundaram buildings inaguration in late 60 in the capital of Andhra Pradesh when only Puttaparti Saibaba had.His communication,his understanding and his expalnation to impress the common man about the philosophy and God are striking.No doubt I was stumped even till date. > The same is the case with Mata Amritananada Mayee. > certainly the pious His Hoilness Sri Sankaracharya in early 70s to 80 true to his sanyasi nature used to visit village for bikshatan and performance of padaprakshalanam etc.These personalities are ceratinly beyond our common undrstanding.when ever we think of Great Tyagarajan,the singing saint and recollect about "yendaro mahanubahvulu andariki "we find great feelings > they are spirtual and conveyed lot > we cherish them for all times > krishan > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: > dera sister nalini ji > > great are the miracles of god. > > if shirdi saibaba asks few rupees, he is testing his disciple and no > probs. > > if puttaparti saibaba collects donations from foreigners and turn > the entire draught affected parched lands of anantpur district into > a developed district and provided drinking water facility for all > people in the district and set up free super speciality hospital and > educational institutions, he is referred as a godman with money > intentions. when i was a child i heard a true story that all the > archakas at tirupati balaji temple while cleaning the sanctum > sanctorum (with eyes folded with a cloth as per their custom) they > found a human feet in the place of lord balaji. then the archakas > opened their eyes and found puttaparti saibaba standing there only > to vanish in few minutes. then they called the prashanti nilayam in > puttaparti to find that saibaba is there only in puttaparti. the > miracles of any godman are accepted by the followers only after they > themselves witness the miracles. Tirumala Tirupati Devasthanam is > run by an IAS officer and they need not lie to spread a miracle > performed by puttaparti saibaba. i was a follower of puttaparti > saibaba for several decades and when he used to sing his bhajan in > his own voice "prema mudita manas kaho ram ram ram...." all devotees > used to go into a devotional trans with the word "ram" reverberating > everywhere. > > in the name of testing the king "harischandra", he was made a > pauper, made to sell his wife and lone son and sell himself as a > worker in the burial ground. there we dont find any fault with the > gods or sages for subjecting harischandra to all difficulties in the > name of testing. we often hear atheists questioning that if god > wants to test me by subjecting me to all difficulties, he is not a > god and i dont believe him. > > when i was working in a large MNC, the head of that organisation who > is an athiest said that he dont believe in god because he drives an > airconditioned Merc while several people are begging on the roads. > so god is a biased sadist who subjects millions to suffering and > bless paradise comforts to few. > > so, we have all kinds of people seeing god as a benevelont almighty > who blesses the disciple and give boons or a cruel person who knows > only testing the disciples with all difficulties. > > all these thoughts keep coming and going till one reaches the > reality and knows the truth. > > kings, sages, demons and humans got the darshan of the lord and got > the boons they wanted ONLY AFTER SACRIFICING THEIR COMFORTS, > FAMILIES AND KEPT PRAYING THE GOD FOR YEARS, DECADES AND CENTURIES. > > may jupiter's light shine on all in knowing the truth. > > with best wishes > arjun > > , "auromirra19" > <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > > {Om Namo Narayanaya} > > Suryaji, > > When Shirdi Sai demanded money from the merchant, it was to test > > him , his attachment to the five rupee. He used to spend the > amount > > on buying oil for the lamps at the Dwarkamayi. Once he knew that > the > > person voluntarily gave money he never accepted or asked him again. > > Strange and insrcutable are the ways of Baba. > > Nalini > > (Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya} > > , "surya" <dattapr2000@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Shirdi Sai used to ask Guru Dakshina from everybody to teach > this > > > important sacrifice. He criticized a merchant who came for > Brahma > > > Jnana but was not giving even Rs.5/- from his pocket. > > > > > > Mr. Patil, a farmer used to donate the entire yearly crop to > Baba > > > and took back whatever Baba gave back to him. > > > > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > > surya > > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear sister nalini > > > > > > > > i have no personal opinion against any particular godmen as > each > > > has his or her own following of lakhs, millions or crores of > > > disciples across the globe. however, every one who knows me > > knows > > > that i speak the truth. > > > > > > > > true godmen are those like shirdi saibaba, ramakrishna > > > paramahansa, ramana maharshi, swami vivekananda etc. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and regards > > > > arjun > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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