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[Guest guest]

Q) Tsunami killed even people praying in a temple. For me there is

no need to pray God. There is no God. Why should I pray?

 

A) People pray God for their selfish benefits and such prayers are

not real worhsip. If one loves God for some need only, it is worst.

Apply your logic to your children also. You love your child without

any need. When you can do this for your momentary blood bond of this

birth, how much needless love you have to pour down on God, who is

related to you by your permanent soul since millions of births!

 

The sea with its wave-hands is always warning the people not to kill

the poor harmless acquatic creatures like fish etc., for the sake of

food. God created lot of vegetable food, which is the best even

according to present science of health. The sea represents the Lord

and finally kills the sinners with his own wave-hands. Goddess earth

kills the sinners through quakes since these sinners kill the

innocent creatures on the earth. Tsunami is the result of combined

anger of father-sea and mother-earth. These innocent creatures have

no advocate and even cannot file a criminal case in our courts. Such

formalities are not necessary for His all-pervading court. One sees

the punishment only and not the sin, which is the cause. One

sympathizes the human beings affected in other countries also since

all human beings are one. But one should broaden his mind and should

feel that all the living beings are one and sympathize every living

being. The natural calamities will then disappear.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

"crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: the Shashwat

> Universe seems to believe in reboots! Minor reboots include

natural calamities, the latest examples being the Tsunamis but the

real and scary *atlantis* of modern times being NEW ORLEANS. One of

the biggest annihilative challenges thrown in the face of humanity

in recent times. Total wipeout! Will it emerge? Will Atlantis

reemerge?

> For those who may know, Mardi gras is a big tradition of New

Orleans > and Texas took upon it this year while New Orleans

recuperates slowly -- just so that the tradition does not die. I

translate that to say: So that human spirit as we know it does not

die.

 

> RR

[Guest guest]

Dear Surya ji.

 

Please take this rightly (as opposed to wrongly! Duh!!)

 

We should not mix metaphors. They cause problems!

 

Simply stated: Temples are not Gods!

 

What we are told by someone about God's decree, by a human in flesh

or writing (when did one last witness directly God write in human

language? On paper or Stone tablets?) it is a license to ask

questions and not just take as gospel.

 

Yeshu Masiha was considered the son of god but much after his death.

And now we hear that the story as universally believed may not be the

whole truth and only truth. I read recently that there was some last

minute replacement involved and as many of us Indians have heard

there is that matter about the 12 years of wilderness and the graves

in Kashmir, etc.

 

I just want to mention and raise doubts. Truth is not always what it

is touted to be or proclaimed hastily here, there, elsewhere. It is

human to put things to rest and to move on. To hastily believe in

something that sounds emotionally right. And many do but they do not

cause permanent damage -- my gut tells me.

 

There seems to be an almost central core system that is not bound by

time, or geography, so none of the space and time thing or perhaps

other dimensions involved.

 

Truth is unidimensional, and beyond all the excuses and explanations

we come up with, it seems. And so it must prevail -- tsunamis,

earthquakes, yugas, pralays, multiple infusions of realities as

channeled wisdom claims and so on ...

 

<continued...>

 

RR

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "surya" <dattapr2000

wrote:

>

> Q) Tsunami killed even people praying in a temple. For me there is

> no need to pray God. There is no God. Why should I pray?

>

> A) People pray God for their selfish benefits and such prayers are

> not real worhsip. If one loves God for some need only, it is worst.

> Apply your logic to your children also. You love your child without

> any need. When you can do this for your momentary blood bond of

this

> birth, how much needless love you have to pour down on God, who is

> related to you by your permanent soul since millions of births!

>

> The sea with its wave-hands is always warning the people not to

kill

> the poor harmless acquatic creatures like fish etc., for the sake

of

> food. God created lot of vegetable food, which is the best even

> according to present science of health. The sea represents the Lord

> and finally kills the sinners with his own wave-hands. Goddess

earth

> kills the sinners through quakes since these sinners kill the

> innocent creatures on the earth. Tsunami is the result of combined

> anger of father-sea and mother-earth. These innocent creatures have

> no advocate and even cannot file a criminal case in our courts.

Such

> formalities are not necessary for His all-pervading court. One sees

> the punishment only and not the sin, which is the cause. One

> sympathizes the human beings affected in other countries also since

> all human beings are one. But one should broaden his mind and

should

> feel that all the living beings are one and sympathize every living

> being. The natural calamities will then disappear.

>

> at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> surya

> www.universal-spirituality.org

>

> "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani@> wrote: the Shashwat

> > Universe seems to believe in reboots! Minor reboots include

> natural calamities, the latest examples being the Tsunamis but the

> real and scary *atlantis* of modern times being NEW ORLEANS. One of

> the biggest annihilative challenges thrown in the face of humanity

> in recent times. Total wipeout! Will it emerge? Will Atlantis

> reemerge?

> > For those who may know, Mardi gras is a big tradition of New

> Orleans > and Texas took upon it this year while New Orleans

> recuperates slowly -- just so that the tradition does not die. I

> translate that to say: So that human spirit as we know it does not

> die.

>

> > RR

>

[Guest guest]

The atheist says that God does not exist. For him God is nothing

i.e., vacant space. This is the first stage. When he sees miracles

he becomes the believer in God. He accepts God as some power or

energy. The power or energy is also formless, like vacant space. So

the concept of God is near to his previous concept and thus the

atheist (Scientist) accepts the formless (Nirakara) God very easily.

The third stage is God with form (Sakara). In this stage statues in

the human form are introduced. The training is given to do the

sixteen upacharas (services) to these statues in human form. This

training indicates that they have to worship the God in human form

in this way. The sixteen upacharas are actually related to the human

form only. For eg: the first upachara `Aavahanam' means invitation

corresponds to the human being only and not to inert statue. The

statue in the temple is better than the statue in your house.

 

Why? Because in the temple the `Pranaprathista' i.e., initiation of

life is done to the statue. This again indicates that you have to

worship the statue with life. The concept is the inert statue plus

life is equal to human being. Therefore in the temple the statue

indicates that you have to worship the statue with life i.e., the

human form of God only. Like this you are slowly trained to worship

the human form of the God by the sixteen upacharas. In this training

when your egoism and jealousy is completely destroyed now the human

form of the God is introduced. Unless your egoism and jealousy are

completely destroyed you cannot accept the human form directly. So

the worship of the inert statue in the human form introduces the

concept of human form, then the initiation of life (Prana pratishta)

introduces the concept of living human form. Thus this is a gradual

transformation of you by reducing your egoism and jealousy. When

your egoism and jealousy are completely removed, the final human

form of God is introduced. Only a particular man like Lord Krishna

is God. This is Advaita philosophy, which is extended to every man

due to the same jealousy and egoism. If every man is God, nobody

requires salvation.

 

Like this when you are travelling from vacant space to formless

energy or power then you are accepting the human form but without

life which is a statue in your house. In the same stage you are

accepting the statue plus life in the temple, which means only a

living human form. Finally you are catching the God in the present

living human form. Whatever I preached here is having the best

practical proof. Hanuman, the greatest of the human beings in this

world worshipped Rama only who was a living human being in his time.

He did not go down i.e.; he never meditated upon the formless God or

the statues. In Valmiki Ramayana such things are not mentioned. He

never worshipped even previous human incarnations like `Vamana'. He

worshipped only the human incarnation present in his generation.

 

Similarly Radha never worshipped `Rama' but worshipped only Krishna

who was the human incarnation of her generation. As per Bhagavatham

Radha also never worshipped the statues or the formless God. Hanuman

became Brahma and Radha became the queen of the 15th World `Goloka'.

Nobody in this world will attain a better position than these two.

So your spiritual journey must end in recognizing the human

incarnation of God present in your generation. God is impartial and

so He comes down in human form in every generation. If you say Lord

Krishna is only the latest incarnation, then that generation was

blessed and God became partial. Therefore God is coming in human

form in every human generation. People are not recognizing Him

because after the incarnation of Krishna the egoism and jealousy are

growing continuously in all the human beings. The man did not

recognize the God coming in human form after Krishna. After Krishna

and before `Kalki' is `Kaliyuga'. Due to the influence of the `Kali'

people are full of egoism and jealousy and so they cannot recognize

the human form of God in `Kaliyuga'.

 

God comes in different human forms in the same time in various

levels for the sake of devotees in various levels. He comes as a

schoolteacher for the school students, as a lecturer for the college

students and as a Professor for the post graduate students. Since

the school students and college students are large in number he

comes down as a number of schoolteachers and college lecturers. Such

incarnations are called as `Amsavataras', which mean the

incarnations of a small portion of His power. The incarnation of His

radiation is called `Kalavatara' which is the formless God like

light worshipped by some believers. The light travels as waves and

the Siva Linga in the temple represents this formless God. Since the

Post graduation students are less in number only one professor comes

down and He is the `Pari poorna tamavathara' i.e., the most complete

incarnation, which reveals the final true knowledge. He is

called `Satguru' or the original Datta in the human form.

 

Datta exists in two forms. 1) The three headed form. 2) One headed

form. The three headed form indicates `Para brahma' (God) who

creates, rules and destroys the Universe by His three faces. The

other single headed form is the external human form in which the

three-headed form exists as the internal form, which is not seen.

This is the essence of the `Eka Mukha Datta' (One headed from)

and `Trimukha Datta' (The three headed form). Therefore the

Schoolteacher shows miracles and converts the atheist into theist.

The college lecturer trains the theists in the worship of the

statues having human form to remove ego and jealousy in the man and

make him a devotee. The last university professor gives the final

true knowledge that God comes down in human form only and that He

(the professor) Himself is God.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

"crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Please take this rightly (as opposed to wrongly! Duh!!)

> We should not mix metaphors. They cause problems!

> Simply stated: Temples are not Gods!