Guest guest Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Friends, Jyotish is science of light. Why ? Trikaal falls under the domain of Rahu and is lord of Tamas. Tamas is unknown Time and space here. My explanation is, "The Jaya (Victory) over Tamas (Darkness)" is Jyoti. And in astrological terms, Jyotish means, Isha (Lord) of that jyoti which gives you victory over Tamas (unknown time and space) meaning Rahu. Hence Astrology falls under the lordship of Rahu. Tatvam-Asi vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: Dear Sir, This thread crux for wiping out past debts always keep surfacing for the reason"as we are caught in the mesh of past and present" If 'paropakaram is parama dharmam'we must find volunteers to do good selflessly.we know sages, seers and mahapurushas be it Lord jesus Christ,Shri Shrdi Saibaba or even Satya Saibaba led the way to establish the fact that wiping out tears from torn faces and show them the way to lead life of righteousness was their concern.In the process what they have gained or lost is beyond our comprehension for the present.one thing is sure to the world that they christened as "messengers of god"..people found solace in their preachings and followers were blind enough to accept the path suggested by them to find merit and adopt the life.Also we are not aware of their karmic results in the process.one thing evident that merits for future guidance is""paropakaraya punyaya papaya parapeedanam". doing good to others is punyam and doing bad to others is papam. this is the reason why god realised souls go in search of the suffering"if this logic is meant for improving one's own account through these means and dedicate for the cause of 'manava sevaye madhava seva'and alleviate the sufferings of the some atleast there is some purpose to fulfil as a mission to do their bit as part of life.ultimately one has to contend'strange are the ways of God'to find swayam sevaks to deliver to the society in larger interest and involve in the struggle for good and bad.It must the same as'Dharma smasthapanaya sambhavami yuge yuge' krishnan panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear krishnan ji we discussed this subject in various threads earlier in this group but it is always good to discuss this important dimension again. in my understanding, the horoscope is like the statement of karmic account as on the date of birth in which all the deeds of his previous births have been factored and an "indication" of future is presented. in share market, the footnote of any IPO says "past performance is not an indicator of future success". generally till 15 years of ago, a native has no physical or mental capacity to change his karmic account. but afterwards as the native gains knowledge, the karmic account can be changed as he wish to. by doing good deeds he can earn more merit or wipe off the sins. similarly by doing wrong deeds he can earn more sins and wipe off the merits. to decipher merit and sin, sage vyasa said simply "paropakaraya punyaya papaya parapeedanam". doing good to others is punyam and doing bad to others is papam. this is the reason why god realised souls go in search of the suffering and heal them like jesus or shirdi saibaba did. even ramakrishna and vivekananda helped crores of people achieve self realisation. all these god realised people are god themselves and there is no difference between god and these realised people. as mark once observed rightly, "your fuure is in your hands". you are not a puppet with the strings in the hands of the nine planets. you have the power to break free and move forward or surrender to the planets with inaction and have no growth at all. for a realised person, planets are meaningless. for an ordinary layman enmeshed in the maya of dependance on few individuals or few objects, planets are gods. for a realised person, god is within and he is god. here comes the role of a guru to help one achieve this realisation. with best wishes and regards arjun , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Shri Arjun ji, > is it not that true that if we can get light and get satisfied with 'all are equated in getting the light of knowledge" > removal of ignorance or darkness is a very very long journey that involves not a single birth/janma.After all effort should be to keep making value additions in evry janma with consciouness and (some)realsiation > regards > krishnan > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > Dear Members > > We have always emphasised the fact that classical works r the main framework of Jyotishya anyday and we need to use its built in desha, kala, paristihhi rule in it to amend, adopt it for the times, country, culture, political, ecconimic sitiations we are analysing. > > THE ORIGINAL QUESTION is not being covered but around it a lot of discussion is going on. > > GURU in lagna a benefic, WILL HE REMOVE 100 AFLICTIONS Y/N > > this is true and no use digging into irrelevent logic, stasts. > > as for a given chart he may remove 100 aflictions there can be many more present. > so why dispute the 100 which 100 is the question > > GARGA is the source of this rule, guru in Lagna removes 100 aflictions, in 10th many more 100's > > BUT PLEASE REMEMBER THE 1ST PREAMBLE SLOKA ONE WRITES IN A JANMA PATRI , very few computer horosope programs print this > > Janani Janma Soukhyanam > Vardhini Kula Sampadaam > Padavim purvapunyaanaam > Likhyetha Janampatrikahnaam > > [there can be typos here] > > meaning the interpretations from a horoscope are compiled form the ommissions, commission of the family, which arise from its status (morals), thus the native and his mothers fate r to be forecasted. > > Bhagavad Geetha also says one is born into a family of a particulkar trait as his previous vasana or sanmskaram thus people with good, ethical, dharmic, humble people are born into such families and people with anger, greed, avarice, hatred, contempt, hunger, illhealth etc into similar recivers of such karmaic balances only > so all cant't have same 100 Doshas to be cleansed by Guru or for that matter nay benefic. so there is bound to be various results for different people born in the same Lagan that is 1/12 cases. depending onther karma balance sheet > a horoscope is the opening balance of Karma in this life. as brough forward from past lives. > > Plus the other amsas, their lagnas also matter don't they? > the other elements of a horoscope, like shadbala,ashtakkavarga and above all the time-dasa for such thing to happen a protection or insurance that Guru's 100 waiver gives. > > so a balanced and intelligent interpretation is called for no outright acceptence or rejection. this problem comes as we are trying to fit in a whole picture from a single point. when it is only part of the whole picture thw whole picture msut be studied. > > I hope there is some light in this effort.. > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear RR ji > > before discussing light on astrological perspective, i briefly touch > what this light is all about. > > our country "bharat" itself is full of light. bhasi diptau ratah > bharata. compare this to meaningless America which denote or > connote nothing except the americans' darkness (ignorance) to > continue their country remaining named after the Italian Amerigo > Vespucci who was WRONGLY credited with discovering that land. > > what you said is true that, in layman's ability what is there in > mind is seen only by eyes. verily sun and moon are attributed to > both eyes or loosely as day and night. a realised person closing > the eyes can see with his mind with his "divya drishti" and all > sages and saints used to have this. > > Old Testament, Genesis says that the entire creation began with a > light. it also says man is god's own image. when we say "lead us > to light from darkness" and we want more light or knowledge > like "tamaso ma yotir gamaya" we mean dispelling our "ignorance or > darkness" with the "light or knoweldge". a realised person sees the > light or god within and an ignorant person remains in dark and does > not see god. > > it is written in upanishads that to know that light (god) and reach > that light, one shall approach a Guru (jupiter) who has realised > god. simply put, to remove our darkness or ignorance we seek light > or knowledge for which we approach the guru or jupiter. > > in this context, the light of jupiter or knowledge helps the native > realise the god. be it the jupiter (guru of devatas) or the planet > jupiter or the human guru, and remove our ignorance of darkness. > > may jupiter's light shine on all. > > with best wishes > arjun > > > > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > The proof that light exists in the astropragmatic (used to be > called > > astro-LOGICAL) framework is simple. It is what can actually be > seen > > because without light one cannot see! Right? What one can see is > > where light is at! > > > > Some have extended that to say: What the mind knows, only that the > > eyes can see! Sarcastic perhaps but to clear my plate, it was not > my > > original! > > > > Think about that, seriously, based on your personal reality -- > > please --rather than hitting the reply button and ...! > > > > Let us begin a new thread and really lay down our understanding > about > > the light that we glibly talk about in the astrological framework > of > > reference. > > > > Other than the SUN the only source of light that we know and can > > defend and moon its biggest reflector. > > > > But let us go beyond that and discuss what this > astrological 'light' > > really is about in day to day astrology. 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