Guest guest Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Correlating Astrology And Theory Of Karma Astrologers say that you are getting troubles due to the movement of the planets. This means that you are getting the trouble not due to your previous sins. Therefore you feel that you are unnecessarily getting troubles, even though you have not done any sin. Astrologers say that a police arrests you because you are going on a road and accidentally the police is also walking on the same road. You are very anxious to get rid of these troubles because these are unnecessary punishments for you. The astrologers exploit your anxiety by suggesting some remedies. The word Graha (planet) means that system which gives the exact result for your exact deed in exact time. The planets are just the computers. They are inert and are not independent. Only Swami can change the decisions. Therefore there is no use of worshipping the planets. One has to receive the fruits of the deeds whether good or bad (Naabhuktam Ksheeyate Karma). There is only one way to escape the fruits of the deeds. The Lord comes down in human form and undergoes the punishments for your sake and saves you. At the same time He will protect the prestige of God of Justice and the theory of Karma. This is the main reason for His human incarnation. He will never cancel the fruits of deeds. He will sacrifice Himself and protects you. When you cannot pay the fine, your father pays it. You must become eligible for such grace of the Lord. The eligibility is achieved by you when you do not aspire to get rid of the fruits of your deeds and prepare to undergo the punishments of all your sins. You should never think that the Lord should sacrifice for your sake. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: Sir, A vital aspect raised by Sri Srinivas ji needs lot to make less ambiguous.just not chart alone but sevearal combinations alone can provide satisfactory explanation for"self efforts(Free will) by fruitful use of current janma and how the chart pointers" srinivasa murthy adavi <smadavi wrote: Dear Sir, Very fine piece of exposition.A further exposition of KARMA SIDDHANTA linking with previous birth vaasanas(Fate) and self efforts(Free will) by fruitful use of current janma and how the chart pointers indicate the same ,will help learners like us very much. kind regards Srinivas Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: Dear Members We have always emphasised the fact that classical works r the main framework of Jyotishya anyday and we need to use its built in desha, kala, paristihhi rule in it to amend, adopt it for the times, country, culture, political, ecconimic sitiations we are analysing. Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Dear Sir, We have no way to say that spirtual approach needs to be interfered with jyotish methods.In fact jyotish also advocates spirtual inclinations.so it is not proper to word"astrologers exploit your anxiety by suggesting some remedies""astrologers exploit your anxiety by suggesting some remedies" Police theory is concerned no body needs to be apprehensive unless guilty particularly if we go by "Graha (planet) means that system which gives the exact result for your exact deed in exact time." we have no reason to deny:The Lord comes down in human form and undergoes the punishments for your sake and saves you. At the same time He will protect the prestige of God of Justice' let's hope the spirtual approach of karma siddhanta only finds room to reform each and every individual instead of mixing various approaches krishnan prakki surya <dattapr2000 wrote: Correlating Astrology And Theory Of Karma Astrologers say that you are getting troubles due to the movement of the planets. This means that you are getting the trouble not due to your previous sins. Therefore you feel that you are unnecessarily getting troubles, even though you have not done any sin. Astrologers say that a police arrests you because you are going on a road and accidentally the police is also walking on the same road. You are very anxious to get rid of these troubles because these are unnecessary punishments for you. The astrologers exploit your anxiety by suggesting some remedies. The word Graha (planet) means that system which gives the exact result for your exact deed in exact time. The planets are just the computers. They are inert and are not independent. Only Swami can change the decisions. Therefore there is no use of worshipping the planets. One has to receive the fruits of the deeds whether good or bad (Naabhuktam Ksheeyate Karma). There is only one way to escape the fruits of the deeds. The Lord comes down in human form and undergoes the punishments for your sake and saves you. At the same time He will protect the prestige of God of Justice and the theory of Karma. This is the main reason for His human incarnation. He will never cancel the fruits of deeds. He will sacrifice Himself and protects you. When you cannot pay the fine, your father pays it. You must become eligible for such grace of the Lord. The eligibility is achieved by you when you do not aspire to get rid of the fruits of your deeds and prepare to undergo the punishments of all your sins. You should never think that the Lord should sacrifice for your sake. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: Sir, A vital aspect raised by Sri Srinivas ji needs lot to make less ambiguous.just not chart alone but sevearal combinations alone can provide satisfactory explanation for"self efforts(Free will) by fruitful use of current janma and how the chart pointers" srinivasa murthy adavi <smadavi wrote: Dear Sir, Very fine piece of exposition.A further exposition of KARMA SIDDHANTA linking with previous birth vaasanas(Fate) and self efforts(Free will) by fruitful use of current janma and how the chart pointers indicate the same ,will help learners like us very much. kind regards Srinivas Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: Dear Members We have always emphasised the fact that classical works r the main framework of Jyotishya anyday and we need to use its built in desha, kala, paristihhi rule in it to amend, adopt it for the times, country, culture, political, ecconimic sitiations we are analysing. Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "" on the web. New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 [Om Namo Narayanaya] Sri Suryaji, Yes, astrologers say( do they?) the troubles, I would rather call them experiences, are caused by planetary movements.But that is exactly in proportion to the karma of the native, for planetary positions in the birth chart of a native are but indicators of the karma. Hence their movements would be in accordance with the karma.There are always two side of looking at things, all astrologers dont exploit the anxiety of the native. The percentage of the dishonest exsist in every profession, including the so called Godmen, if you may call them so. Please also explain why remedies are not known/fructify only when they are meant to be , not before not after. Of course planets are not independent, they are interdependent, intricately interwoven and 'designer stuff'- exclusive labels. You and only you are the owner of that label. The profits and the losses of that label too are yours alone. One has to receive the karmaphala, there are no doubts on that score. It cannot be taken away from you, the suffering if any you have to experience can be alleviated by the Grace of the Supreme, who is the Cosmic controller of this Drama. God is known to incarnate, why does he need to , as he is present in everything . If you choose to see him He Is.As for protecting the prestige of God, how can the Supreme be tainted? The Supreme is beyond all the machinations, aspirations etc. The Supreme is the embodiment of benevolence and is above the Trigunas and cannot bear illwill towards the socalled bad or good will towards the other section. Astrology is not mere advocating remedies for planetary positions, movements, dasas, bhuktis. It is something that is reaching beyond the realms of planets. It is a tool for introspection, evaluation- your experiences which have been given to you, all deserved. You can find answers if you choose to, for the inexplicable, help you reinvent yourself, accept why life has chosen to give you sour lemons and your neighbour sweet mangoes. It is going ahead to make lemonade out of the lemons is what astrology is all about and not grieve for the mangoes. We can call the God within us, for help, for he is within shining as a light should you chose to see. That Light is the beacon which can guide you in the dark abysses of life. It is just a call away, only you should in the dark abyss, remember to. Regards Nalini [OM Namah Shivaya Namah mallikarjunaya] , prakki surya <dattapr2000 wrote: > > Correlating Astrology And Theory Of Karma > Astrologers say that you are getting troubles due to the movement of the planets. This means that you are getting the trouble not due to your previous sins. Therefore you feel that you are unnecessarily getting troubles, even though you have not done any sin. Astrologers say that a police arrests you because you are going on a road and accidentally the police is also walking on the same road. You are very anxious to get rid of these troubles because these are unnecessary punishments for you. The astrologers exploit your anxiety by suggesting some remedies. The word Graha (planet) means that system which gives the exact result for your exact deed in exact time. > > The planets are just the computers. They are inert and are not independent. Only Swami can change the decisions. Therefore there is no use of worshipping the planets. One has to receive the fruits of the deeds whether good or bad (Naabhuktam Ksheeyate Karma). There is only one way to escape the fruits of the deeds. The Lord comes down in human form and undergoes the punishments for your sake and saves you. At the same time He will protect the prestige of God of Justice and the theory of Karma. This is the main reason for His human incarnation. > > He will never cancel the fruits of deeds. He will sacrifice Himself and protects you. When you cannot pay the fine, your father pays it. You must become eligible for such grace of the Lord. The eligibility is achieved by you when you do not aspire to get rid of the fruits of your deeds and prepare to undergo the punishments of all your sins. You should never think that the Lord should sacrifice for your sake. > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > surya > www.universal-spirituality.org > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > Sir, > A vital aspect raised by Sri Srinivas ji needs lot to make less ambiguous.just not chart alone but sevearal combinations alone can provide satisfactory explanation for"self efforts(Free will) by fruitful use of current janma and how the chart pointers" > > srinivasa murthy adavi <smadavi wrote: > Dear Sir, > > Very fine piece of exposition.A further exposition of KARMA SIDDHANTA linking with previous birth vaasanas(Fate) and self efforts (Free will) by fruitful use of current janma and how the chart pointers indicate the same ,will help learners like us very much. > kind regards > Srinivas > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > Dear Members > We have always emphasised the fact that classical works r the main framework of Jyotishya anyday and we need to use its built in desha, kala, paristihhi rule in it to amend, adopt it for the times, country, culture, political, ecconimic sitiations we are analysing. > > > Messenger with Voice. 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Guest guest Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 dear friends many thanks for your inquisitive questions. The Universe indicates the existence of God but neither gives the information of God nor the experience of God. After realising the existence of God, you can experience God through some item of the creation into which God entered. The best item of the Universe is the human being through which you can experience God and also clarify your doubts with God directly. If God exist in every human being, every human being should clarify your doubts. Infact since you are also one of the human beings and since God is in yourself also, you should clarify your own doubts, which means that you should not get any doubt and therefore no human being should have any doubt. Therefore, God enters into a specific human being only like Krishna or Jesus etc., who can alone clarify all your doubts and through whom alone you can experience God. If God exists in space, this means God is existing in this Universe. If God is present in the Universe, the Universe cannot be a separate object of entertainment to God. Veda says that this Universe is created for His entertainment (Ekaki Na …..). If you are present in the cinema and become the cinema by pervading all over the cinema, the cinema is not a separate object for you and therefore cannot give entertainment to you. If you are the spectator of the cinema, you should be separate from the cinema. You are the separate subject and the cinema is separate object. If the subject and object are one and the same, there is no existence of object at all. It means God did not create this universe. If the creation is absent, there is no entertainment to God. This leads to the inability of God to create a separate object for His entertainment. Such inability makes God impotent and then God cannot be omnipotent. Therefore, the separate existence of the Universe in which God is not present, must be accepted to avoid all these contradictions. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org "auromirra19" <nalini2818 wrote:> [Om Namo Narayanaya] > God is known to incarnate, why does he need to , as he is present in everything . If you choose to see him He Is.As for protecting the prestige of God, how can the Supreme be tainted? The Supreme is > beyond all the machinations, aspirations etc. > Regards > Nalini > [OM Namah Shivaya Namah mallikarjunaya] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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