The 28 hour long tribunal against RR and CP and RR-bashing! I better speak up!

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Dear J_R members,

 

Now that this tribunal against RR is some hours old, starting with I

believe message 26731 posted at 10 AM on 8 april 2006, followed by

many others, I think now it would make sense to respond and state my

side of the story! It is 2 PM on sunday. So, about 28 hours of RR-

bashing has been allowed to take place already :-)

 

 

Quite recently some 5 out of 4812 members have spoken against what

they perceive as objectionable and one-sided behaviour on my part).

In addition to name-calling and personal derogatory remarks about

pills and diseases etc, by name, allegations have been made by these

people include: criticism, sarcasm, ego, belligerence, etc.

Additionally there were aspersions made about my ability or

contribution to astrology etc. One individuals could only go back a

couple of years in gauging my worth and ability and decided to voice

the sentence! Three of these four individuals consider themselves

victims and two were bystanders who did not even sign their emails.

Please do the math!

 

Few points:

I do not recall ever having criticised or attacked any of the

astrological reasoning given in readings. That would be in bad form

because it could create doubts in the mind of the nativity and I must

assume and believe that they are paying sincere attention to the

readings. I cannot say the same for everyone else!

 

When an off the cuff remark, generally written in the tone of

certainty as if it is astrological gospel or well tested tenet is

made by a member, when interested I have chosen to ask about

illustrations or examples. This is not a sin or crime and is expected

in a public forum. There are a lot of unsubstantiated claims that are

made in jyotish and these must be questioned and challenged. This is

not criticism and clarity must be sought by all who are serious about

jyotish.

 

Unprovoked, I have never made fun of anyone's writing style or

content or disabilities, expressed or obviously perceived. I am not

insensitive to people's feelings and miseries, regardless of

perceived opinions of a few.

 

Yes I can be sarcastic, but not out of malice. It is interesting that

an individual due to his bias may see light jest in someone they do

not like as blowtorch sarcasm while in another individual considered

a 'sympatico' as mere 'jest'. One of the plaintifs in this tribunal

against RR have quoted the home message of this list indicating that

Tanvir said, "No sarcasm". I am attaching the copy and paste from the

home page. Probably my aging sight is responsible for not finding it

there. Maybe some of the younger, more keen sighted brothers and

sisters would show me where it is said in the welcome message!

 

Now for the ego thing. People say that I come across strongly, they

are confused if I am the owner of this group etc. When did I ever say

anything to that effect? Is it my fault that people misunderstand,

misrepresent and overreact? Why is what I say hurting them so much,

which buttons am I pressing so hard, without my even trying or

intending to? I think I have a mature ego, despite all these direct

allegations, mostly overblown and name-calling that has gone

unnoticed and so on by the moderators, these individuals are now

asking the moderators to punish me. In hindi there is a saying, "Ulta

chor kotwal ko dante". How interesting! Yet, dispassionate observers

will notice that I did not hurl insults back but calmly addressed

issues that I thought were important misconceptions on their part. Is

that a sign of arrogance, or a bloated ego? Have I ever rattled on my

achievements or accomplishments or which committees I belong to or

the rest of my CV? Would I not have if I had a weak but bloated ego

as accused by some. Compare that with the utterances and behaviours

of some others!

 

I am passionate about jyotish, regardless of what someone may think

about me based on half-hearted searching of what I have written in

this forum in the last couple of years. I am not going to even bother

giving a list of my contributions because that serves no purpose.

Those who care will find out or have found out, hopefully a few of

the silent ones that are in the MAJORITY represented by 4812 minus

five, described at the outset of this post!

 

I do not live in India, but I am faintly aware of there being a very

active political scene in the field of jyotish there. Jyotishis

fighting against jyotishis. Some are based on different approaches,

different schools, different flags and different beacons and

teachers. Other sociological factors and factions are also playing a

role in these politics. There is discrimination everywhere, but

generally aimed at people from a different religion or different

country and race etc. Probably only in India one would find

discrimination against one's own kind, in terms of race and culture!

Despite government's and people's attempts, I hope classism and

casteism and other isms have really gone down and not playing some

role in the jyotish politics. Only people living in India can tell

for sure!

 

One or two individuals, recently have decided to teach me a lesson

and have tried to use their barbs against me. Unfortunately, very

quickly they began picking on wrong things, blowing up and

overreacting and revealing their true nature despite their outwardly

claimed saintly, poised and spiritually strong natures. Interesting

maya to observe for all students of human behaviour.

 

All that is fine, but by this message I hope I am able to show how

people can misperceive and see things where there is no reason to

blow things up. How individual perceptions play tricks! This is with

something that is right in front of you. How much more of these

personal subjective biases can play a role when one is interpreting

something like jyotish that is symbolic is alarming! Just a caveat to

be watchful about as we go through our jyotish journeys and tend to

take things said by people as gospel without critically examining and

questioning and challenging their brazen and at times false or

misunderstood reasoning (or lack thereof!). Hopefully my last post on

this matter!

 

RR

 

 

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