Journalism or Astrology? 9/4

April 9, 2006

Dear Srinivas ji,

It is nice to be patient for sometime later it appears as weakness

RR said he doesn't care what I am astrolgically or otherwise same is true for

others to him as well

When I replied to a mail by some1 asking about love and not putting a logical

question to answer I merely asked her if it was Hinglis- so repost the

question.

SHE COULD HAVE OBJECTED TO MY term Hinglish not RR.

of in jest if he asked Benglis, Tamilsh etc

i replied to it

Pandit arjun supplimented it too, inspite of it

RR added insulting personal remarks say I am am hypocrite and come out

differently....

I HAVE ANSWERED MAILS ASTROLOGICALLY IN PAST 3 month rarely get into this

slanging match RR feels he is the master to indulge in. HAVE YOU SEEN ANY

ASTROLOGICAL ANALYSIS OF HIS IN PAST 3 moths other than ridicule others and

write one-3 line swipes

the rules and restraints are for all and respect is what one earns not gets

due to grey heir alone.

as a senior memeber one must guide youngsters (if he feels he has found

something a miss surely he can post private messages to them than insult,

riducule even querents who come for advice here, and again as language is a

problem due to learning they may ask a few to be sure which is not wrong either

we reply or ignore it if we feel they are over doing it-free service).

I have fond many enthuiastic learners in the group and they can vouch for it

that I have been clarifying their doubts both in mails and chats.

B Lakshmi, Nidhi, RIZWAN FROM Pak etc

we need fresh talent in the subject and subject is supreme not individuals.

and individuals must feel respect and trust are two way traffic is good for

all.

Prashant

srinivasa murthy adavi <smadavi wrote: Respected Honourable

members of the Forum,

Request for showing restraint in the issue involving Respected Sri

RohiniRanjanji.The moot point is since the controversy started involving the

extraneous usage of the forum against the intended founding objectives and the

same has been pointed by me ,though Sri RohiniRanjanji got peeved

initially(it'squite natural) ,it has been observed that he started to take

initiatives towards fruitful contributions viz astro analysis and astroknowlege

topics.The moot point here is if a person is willing to change when certain

personality percieved negative traits are pointed out,then it's duty of the

fellow gentlemen to give time and requisite environment for the

same.Particularly when the person involved is highly knowledgeable and well

versed in the said sastraas ,it's natural sometimes(even people like us) to do

some fallacies in behavioural attitudes/traits.The gentle language bordering on

request used in criticising him by me ,thought at first might have caused

heartburn(quite natural

for a standing of such a personality) being criticised by a person like me

much younger to him in age and knowledge of jyotish.But there's no doubt his

later actions were positive to great degree.

For Prashantkumarji's rare jester of using 'Hinglish' was pointed out by

Sri RRji and the initial mail of RRji was a gentle admonition but certainly not

a severe criticism.But due to some unfortunate circumstances the later mails

have lead to chain reaction of polemics.

If the members feel that the above inferences/expressions(as i was also a

member who criticised SriRRji) are justified ,then my kind request to resume

for continuing the noble objectives of the forum.Kind request to take an

occasional jest/criticism among forum contributors(who're rendering free

service for the benefit of us) in right spirit.Please remember to confine such

'pepups' among the contributors as they're supposed to have certain mental

equanimity whereas most of the querents doesn't have as most of the querents

come for getting relief from their suffering and their mental state when they

approach the forum will be in depressive mood.

Regards

Srinivas

panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:

Dear Sreenadh ji

am taking the liberty of answering your mail, for i have some facts

supported by previous mails in the group.

albeit tanvir ji is the group owner, he has always given 100%

freedom to ALL MEMBERS in expressing thier thoughts. however, in

the last few months, RR ji has started criticising each and every

member directly or indirectly. in some cases when suffering

querents approach the forum seeking answers or remdies, he gave them

sermons without giving any suggestions or warnings. RR ji also

stated at least in ten different mails that according to him, these

groups or suggestions in these groups to querents are useless. the

thread on mr. govind sethia's request of knowing whether he gets a

son after having two daughters is worth reading, as he was

brainwashed by few members on killing female children.

once i requested the group owner objecting against cross posting

from few members. my objection was only that the original poster

who is not present here shall also get a chance to respond. then RR

ji issued a statement that such gaps are net realities which we have

to live with.

RR ji can criticise any member in any mail and all shall keep quiet

including the group owner. but if any other member criticise RR ji, RR ji

quickly says "if you have a problem with me or my messages,

dont read them". because of his ownership approach once i commented that RR

ji is the (un)disputed leader of this group to which RR ji

instead of defending or responding himself on his own he shouted for help,

help, help. he wrote dozen mails saying that i publicly insulted him. since

two or three more members observed that RR ji felt insulted, even though there

was nothing wrong in my obsering him as a disputed/undisputed leader of this

group, i apologised. even after the apology, he shouts for action against me.

is this

the behaviour of a person with decades of learning that too towards

the fraternity.

RR ji always takes dig at other mails but expect no other member to

respond freely and express thier views about him. also RR and two

other members used this group for sending hundreds of mails in

between themselves with one word or one line without any

sambodhana. most of them looked like a private chatroom. but the

group owner had no obection to it.

as for myself, i renounced my family, job and comforts and have been

deeply into meditation and further learning of divine sciences.

myself, krishnan ji and ashutosh ji used to answer most queries

here. there are many great astrologers who also contribute on a

daily basis. however, after several professional astrologers took

my free service for their paid customers and in that process i lost

lot of my energies, i reduced my free reading and instead started

sharing whatever little i know and learn as much as i can.

in the midst of all this, the querents keep visiting and more and

more learnt astrologers like you are joining the group to answer the

queries as well as sharing their knowledge.

god is really great and great are the miracles of god.

my public request to RR ji and the group owner is that if RR ji has

a right to dig at every one, each member shall also have the right

to dig at him. let freedom of criticism be available to all or let

no one criticise one another. i think it is time the group owner

sends a directive to all members to stop criticising or digging at

another and use proper sambodhana while writing mails and give due

respect to other members, if they expect respect from others.

with best wishes and regards

arjun

, "Sreenadh" <sreesog

wrote:

>

> Dear RR ji,

> >'the present point of power' ???!!!!

> That makes me ask my long felt doubt! As I know it,

> is a group formed around March 2003. It had a mail strength of 2

> mails approx per day then, which grown up to 20 mails per day by

the

> end of that year. Now by April 2005 it receives an awesome 45

mails

> per day!! It supports a reader community of 4810 members!!

> You become an imposing presence in this group only after May

2004.

> Another 2 groups (may be your own) that I find your strong present

> are jyotish-vani which started around Sep 2002 but get a mere

below 1

> mail per day average, and the crystal_pages group (started in Sep

> 2002) for which the mail average is a very low 1 mail in 10

days.

> This all leads to the conclusion that the main credit for the

> popularity of this group goes to long standing members like Tanvir

> ji, vattem krishnan ji, Arjun ji, Anil VSNL, deepak_vishnu,

Prashant

> Kumar G B, tatvam asi and many more, yes of course your

contribution

> should also be valued.

> When I joined this group, I felt that this group is owned by you,

> rather than by anybody else, seeing that supervising statements,

that

> exalted feelings etc. But at this juncture I am seeing that

everybody

> including well reputed Arjun ji is requesting Tanvir ji to step in

> and take proper action against you!!

> RR ji, will you clarify one thing - Are you the group owner, or

is

> it Tanvir ji? If it is you, or Tanvir, I have no objections, but

> would just like to know, who it is. Yes, the statement -

> >'the present point of power' ???!!!!

> makes me think that it is you yourself. If it is so, please tell

> these people/crowd that, they shouldn't make these much noise

against

> the group owner, since he is the supreme power, who got all

rights.

> If it is not you, I am really confused...Which side to stand

> with...You know, I would always like to stand with the weak..

> If you are the group owner, you may block me... I don't know…you

> know, it is really difficult to predict in such things... But

if

> you love astrology, for its own cause, then you won't and all of

us

> will continue enjoy the harmonious relationship here.

> Sorry...It is an astrological forum, and I shouldn't write a

mail

> without any astrological content in it, so the 2 cents:

>

> Dear srinivasa murthy ji

> The true nature of a Sign/House/Bhava/Planet is inherent in it.

So

> it is wrong to ask "When that nature will come into effect". For

> example, If a person is peace loving by nature it does not mean

that

> he will NEVER become angry or talk against somebody. If a girl is

> born in Aries sign, by nature he will feel attracted towards a boy

> born of Leo or Scorpio. But it does not say that, they will never

> have a quarrel or that the affection will continue throughout the

> life or the like. It depends on several other factors such as

> environment, deep understanding of each others merits and

interests,

> temporary developments, mutual emotional attachment and help,

> compaction towards humanity, love for knowledge, interests in

similar

> subjects, job for livelihood, aim in life etc etc. yes, a

thousands

> of factors may influence/affect the relation between a male and

> female, or 2 males, or 2 females born in Vasya signs. It is better

to

> understand the deep rooted nature of Sign/House/Bhava/Planet and

> temporary effects they provide based on Yoga,Dasa and Gochara

> separately.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , "crystal pages"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Sreenadh ji,

> >

> > The comment I made about the effort and medium etc., was a

> > view/opinion not a suggested house rule to be imposed in the

> group :-)

> >

> > I love 'here and now', 'the present point of power' as Seth

stated

> > through Jane Roberts ...

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "Sreenadh" <sreesog@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear RR ji,

> > > That was a pretty good mail!! I really appreciate it! The

only

> > point

> > > I find little objectionable is the statement -

> > > > That kind of investment of time and efforts are better

> justified

> > > > in articles and books and not forum messages.

> > > We are nobody to decide that!! Let those who post those long

> well-

> > > organized messages think of that. Others can just enjoy the

> fruits

> > of

> > > that effort. It is upto them.

> > > > I was surprised when you took it a bit personally .....

> > > Phew.........! I never even thought like that! You are

> accusing

> > > me!! Don't worry. I am just feeling happy after reading

this

> > long

> > > and very good mail.

> > > Ok. Till now I never took anything personally and never

intend

> to

> > > do. But still, even after being an astrologer, I can not

comment

> > what

> > > the future holds in such small issues..you know It entirely

> > > depends on the situations and the statements put forward.

You

> > know

> > > the saints ask us to "live in the momentHERE and NOW" )

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , "crystal pages"

> > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > >

> > > > My personal view in this matter is that, yes -- this is

> primarily

> > > an

> > > > astrology forum so astrology should be discussed,

> predominantly.

> > > > Astrology can be served here in the following ways:

> > > > Readings - preferably with explanations but not necessarily

so.

> > The

> > > > problem with explanations arises because those can be

> potentially

> > > > confusing to beginners since people used different

ayanamshas,

> > > > different sets of rules and interpretations, different dasha

> > > systems

> > > > and so on. Moreover, a full astrological delineation needs

many

> > > factors

> > > > to be considered and writing those out fully takes time.

That

> > kind

> > > of

> > > > investment of time and efforts are better justified in

articles

> > and

> > > > books and not forum messages. Giving sketchy mentions of a

few

> > > factors

> > > > or considerations is incomplete and less than useful -- but

> that

> > is

> > > not

> > > > to control what anyone wishes to share.

> > > >

> > > > Astrology can also be served by sharing findings, research,

> > > > illustrations all of which are educational. Tatvamasi ji's

> recent

> > > > sharing, the beautiful elaborations coming from you about

Vasya

> > > factor

> > > > are recent examples of such efforts. Reading such full

messages

> > as

> > > > yours and Tatvamasiji's gives such pleasure that can only

> compare

> > > with

> > > > a beautifully prepared and nourishing meal. Who

needs 'snacks'

> > > after

> > > > such a meal? :-)

> > > >

> > > > However, there would be other discussions too, some

intended,

> > > others

> > > > not. I will give a recent example. When you first posted the

> > > message

> > > > about vasya, I felt that this was interesting and I should

> probe

> > a

> > > bit

> > > > more because the paradox of both neecha and uchcha playing

in

> the

> > > > phenomenon of attraction was interesting, intriguing and

> > > perplexing. I

> > > > was surprised when you took it a bit personally and we

drifted

> > into

> > > the

> > > > discussion about correlations, logical connections and so

on.

> The

> > > > purpose was not to tease the words or their connotations etc

> > > because

> > > > this is not a literary forum and neither of us are literary

> > > experts.

> > > > But you are a genuinely happy and mature person and began

> sharing

> > > the

> > > > information about astrology. I feel my role however tiny in

> this

> > > > process of birth of knowledge was well worth!

> > > >

> > > > Astrology is not a dry technical topic. It has the role of

> being

> > an

> > > > almost universal descriptor of the entire range of human

> > > experience.

> > > > Sometimes we need to examine and analyse the effects before

> > > describing

> > > > them. A lot in astrology is subject to interpretation and to

> some

> > > > extent fuzzy. Things can be explained this way, and

explained

> > > another

> > > > way as well. Hence, it is good to exercise our

discriminatory

> > > abilities

> > > > positively. It would be the ideal day when astrologers would

> > accept

> > > and

> > > > welcome challenges and questions and not automatically go in

> the

> > > > defensive or take those personally. I am sure most of us are

> more

> > > > secure than that. You have been a shining example of that

with

> > your

> > > > postings lately.

> > > >

> > > > As to aspertions and allegations of my talking about topics

> other

> > > than

> > > > astrology -- well, as someone posted -- I am not breaking

any

> > > rules.

> > > > Someone may feel that since this is Jyotish_remedies,

> discussions

> > > > should only be about remedies or whatever. Over the years I

> feel

> > > secure

> > > > in saying that I have written extensively about astrology

> > directly

> > > and

> > > > indirectly all over the place, on paper, in cyberspace and

will

> > > > continue to write if God wants me to. Those who know that

and

> > have

> > > read

> > > > some of what I wrote have generally been appreciative. But,

I

> rub

> > > some

> > > > individuals the wrong way and that is fine too. Like I

> mentioned

> > > > earlier, I am not here for public relations or for elevating

my

> > > > profile. I am fully aware of my imperfections and I can see

> > > > imperfections in others too. So much for this Ego label that

> some

> > > > individuals blame me for. If my image is coming across like

> that,

> > > what

> > > > can I do? I will not go silent just because certain

individuals

> > > wish so.

> > > >

> > > > To the dispassionate bystander/observer, this might seem as

the

> > > > messenger being attacked for bringing a challenging message,

as

> > > well as

> > > > the other couple of adages I referred to earlier.

> > > >

> > > > Though I should state clearly my position in all this. I

have

> > > requested

> > > > individuals from not reading my postings if they are

constantly

> > > > irritated by what I write or how I write. There also seems

to

> be

> > > > developing a mindset that somehow, in this public forum with

so

> > > many

> > > > writers and members, there should be some control over the

> > content

> > > etc.

> > > > How will that ever be possible? Why should it even be done?

> > Public

> > > > expression must remain free and if it creates some dissonant

> > views

> > > and

> > > > some verbal altercations, that is not so bad. It actually is

> good

> > > to

> > > > see some passion in jyotishis and to evoke where it is

> remaining

> > > under

> > > > the wraps for one reason or another. If I have served a role

in

> > > being

> > > > the catalyst, I have served an important role!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , "Sreenadh"

<sreesog@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > After seeing the Hindlish English controversy and many

> > previous

> > > > mails,

> > > > > I feel like asking, is it a forum that share and promote

> > > astrological

> > > > > knowledge or one in which every message gets a (non-

> > astrological)

> > > > > journalistic criticism by the newspaper editor critic.

> > > > > PS: No offence intended. Just making a simple friendly

> comment.

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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April 9, 2006

Dear Sir

Hereunder Sri Rohiniji's few contributions sticking to objectives of

forum,since my mail criticising him on March,8,2006.

25506 Re: Mean position and Mean nodes vs True position and True

nodes for

25509

25514

25545 Re: delay in marriage

[Warning: very different ayanamsha and some of the considerations are being...

25547 Re: Sade Sathi or Mercury Dasa - Which is bad

Gowri ji, I must be looking at the wrong chart because for that date, what you

....

25548 Re: Why are interpretations so different? [because ...]

Perhaps we are all blind men and have different ways of figuring the reality

or...

25677 Re: Husband drinks TOO MUCH

2nd lord moon is weak, malefic (in pakshabala, vimshopaka, in enemy;s sign,

in...

25693 Bhrigu readings. An interesting article for those interested

Shri Adawal's article is very interesting and looks at an aspect of Bhrigu...

26045Re: delay in marriage

Obviously this area in life had gotten rather delayed. After July 2007 this...

a person occasionally may get dejected (or feels like relaxing)and go out of

action,but slowly he comes back to his original self.

regards

srinivas

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: