about love [clarification on hinglish] AND HYPOCRISY-2

[Guest guest]

RR,

 

AFTER A LONG timw on thinking if I should respond or take it in my stide iI

felt in the interest of the group it must roll on to set the record straight.

 

THERE IS ONE THING I MUST APOLOGISE THE WHOLE DEBATE WOULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED

IF THE JOB THAT ONLY RR DOES was not taken by me. I wated the Qurent to

explain what she wanted not dig at her.

 

why u miss the point and make ONLY NOISE,i said the qurent did not ask anyting

anyone could make sense or read so asked her to put it across again.

in case she can find ways to do it

 

AND ENGLISH in different forms, I did not contest BUT RATHER PUT IT across.

just to add like how French, German, Arabs make it sound different with their

mother tounge playing a role.

not ingoring the various sub dilects like, Welsh, Kent, Scotish English, Least

You feel I've left them...!

 

AND Inglish as you suggest is no problem with me, the point was about the

writer's mail.

 

 

DID i contest Swami vivekananda anywhere for the jibe it was just the sound

here.

 

THIS FACT THAT MOTHER TOUNGE HAS AN IMPACT IS well researched and documented.

not my theory. the varouos bodies that are around to make English, or Language

learning more successful.

 

ABOUT MY SHORT CUTS I HOPE YOU HAVE USED INTERNET FOR SOME YEARS BY NOW!

MOST WEB BROWSERS, REDIFF, , MSN etc have a section called Net Jargom it

is standard and phonitic.

NOT ARROGANT

and for someone whose name was in long threads on HAVING a poll conducted for

` THE MOST ARROGENT PERSON in the group,to call anyone else is strange.

 

AND REMEMBER I HAD NO PART IN IT, IT WAS THE MOST POUPLAR THING it was said

and sure is, by this mail

 

but for today's mail on Vasya i rarely seen you discuss astrology or related

comments just critisize, make fun, draw the drift? what else can u call

HYPOCRACY. it is useful if comments are constructive as today on Vasya. and

some debate thant just to show how arragont you are.

 

I STAKE STRONG OBJECTION TO THE FOLLOWING AND HOPE Mr. TANIVIR STEPS IN AND

SETS THE ORDER

 

calling me having double personality is a baseless allegation and tanvir

shall take note of it fact of RR's calling ME as having one image and doing

another as CHARACTER ASSASINATION or PERSONAL ASSAULT and I ask tanvir to

restore decency in the group, for all members.

 

IT IS needless to RESTATE that I belong to the founding members of ICAS,

india's premier astro institute and having spent two and half decades of

experience in reading charts as well as TEACHING ASTROLOGY

dont think that I am some tom, dick or harry.

 

I had earlier told you I had some vision problems and to save time and help

more no of people have used short cuts which are common knowledge.

 

even in an earlier occassion when I had asked RR to expand on something he

said, he replied as though I had asked him if I were TANVIR (the host here I

guess) but then how does he take the role of TANVIR in taking digs at everyone

in the group, if there is one posting that HAS NOT ATTRACTED RR's acid wash

please stand up, time to celeberate it. the lucky ones

 

I, respect and regard for all fraternity as well as querents alike but

sambodhana and sarcastic warnings elicit no respect.

 

 

 

crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: Prashanta,

 

Tbanks for responding and sharing with us all, your view of language and

english in particular.

 

English is not ONE language any more. With British invasion encompassing pretty

much all of the world as we know it, the language

has left its mark all over the globe pretty much.

 

English varies a lot depending on where you are, where you go!

Accents differ, idioms change, drastically!

 

Let us not, in this global flux make language an issue, particularly a

language that is not really even ours!

 

Whether we spell his name Vivekananda or Bibekanondo (really! and not

Bibekananda if you must know!) means diddly if we do not know what he spake to

us of! If you catch my drift!

 

Same deal for others!!

 

Your supercillious remark about someone else's english when you yourself use

some rather strange syntax and shortcuts is at the very least strangely

arrogant, considering that you try so hard to come

across as someone otherwise!

 

Remember this! I will continue to point out even if it takes me to Roke

someone in the eye and be obnoxious when I see discrepancies between how people

tout to be and what they come across as!

 

You can count on it, whether you like it or not!

 

I have seen all kinds and forms of hypocrisy on the jyotish scene and like it

or not, those who to that SHALL hear from me, one way or another!

 

RR

 

 

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Hi RR,

>

> IT is not derogratory, it is more when people use theor

thoughts in mother tounge (where it can be medium of learning as

well) no fault of theirs but the system under which they r taught.

>

> TRUE THE OTHER FORMS LIKE U SAID DO EXIST

>

> with Hinglish u can find ischool, isteel, ismile, astro-logy, bio-

logy, eco-nomy etc the near phonetic sounds r used here.

> similar

> Bengali bibekananda for vivekananda

> Rabindranath = Ravindranath

> the most pouplar quote I remember is forgot the name bhy r u

standing in the bharanda...? (why and varanda)

> tamil cero, suse, badthma, COBAL, buri, betrol...

> for zero, juice, padma, Gopal, puri, petrol

> u will find telugu speaking using jero, mujic, jig-jag, for zero,

music, zig-zag

>

> so it is more medium of learing that interefere with

thought/expression.

> as this person did not put the question in anyway I cud

understnad, if u did pl let me know.

>

> I saw a similar posting by an girlwho is an MBA, CLAIMED She was

a topper all her life. 3 weeksa go neame begins in S

>

> b4 i forget thanks for the mail long enuf than a mere comment.,

this way u've givenme a chance tos ay nothign is deliberate wanted

to know fromt he questioner what they want, wasn't clear to answer.

>

>

> Prashant

>

>

> crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: Prashant,

>

> I am curious. What is this hinglish you refer to?

>

> I don't wish to jump to the conclusion that that term is a

derogatory

> remark implying that hindi-speaking individuals are not capable

of

> speaking proper english! So please enlighten us what you implied.

>

> Is there a Banglish, Gujringlish, Marathinglish, taminglish,

> teluglish, oriainglish, kannanglish, rajinglish, punjinglish too?

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > i am still wondering if this is english or some hinglish.

please

> rephrase ur mail.

> >

> > no data to work on, and what do u expect any1 here to do with

> this if u want and adive GIVE DATA, ASKA QUESTION?

> >

> > Courtney <courtneyjo_2000@> wrote: i have this guy i

like

> new he has some major issues in his life but we

> > like each other just would like to no the future where its

going??

>

 

 

 

Prashant

 

 

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Dear All,

At the end, reading the mail of RR ji and Prashant ji on Vasya and

Hinglish, I feel like appreciating RR ji for starting this

controversy. Brushing away all the thorny accusations, conveyed

between RR ji and Prashant ji, if somebody looks at those

conversations, I think they also would feel the same. Look at the

good amount of info poured in by Prashanji and RR ji (and yes by me

too) by way of arguments!! Those messages convey a very good amount

of useful info though not directly related to astrology!! If there

was not such a controversy I don't think such info on language and

logic will appear in this forum.

So, yes, at the end, I feel like appreciating the controversy

started by RR ji. I think this view makes sense. Yes, occasionally

we need such arguments!! But just need to brush away or avoid such

thorny accusations and the ego hurdle!!

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> RR,

>

> AFTER A LONG timw on thinking if I should respond or take it in

my stide iI felt in the interest of the group it must roll on to set

the record straight.

>

> THERE IS ONE THING I MUST APOLOGISE THE WHOLE DEBATE WOULD HAVE

BEEN AVOIDED IF THE JOB THAT ONLY RR DOES was not taken by me. I

wated the Qurent to explain what she wanted not dig at her.

>

> why u miss the point and make ONLY NOISE,i said the qurent did

not ask anyting anyone could make sense or read so asked her to put

it across again.

> in case she can find ways to do it

>

> AND ENGLISH in different forms, I did not contest BUT RATHER PUT

IT across. just to add like how French, German, Arabs make it

sound different with their mother tounge playing a role.

> not ingoring the various sub dilects like, Welsh, Kent, Scotish

English, Least You feel I've left them...!

>

> AND Inglish as you suggest is no problem with me, the point was

about the writer's mail.

>

>

> DID i contest Swami vivekananda anywhere for the jibe it was just

the sound here.

>

> THIS FACT THAT MOTHER TOUNGE HAS AN IMPACT IS well researched

and documented. not my theory. the varouos bodies that are around to

make English, or Language learning more successful.

>

> ABOUT MY SHORT CUTS I HOPE YOU HAVE USED INTERNET FOR SOME YEARS

BY NOW!

> MOST WEB BROWSERS, REDIFF, , MSN etc have a section called

Net Jargom it is standard and phonitic.

> NOT ARROGANT

> and for someone whose name was in long threads on HAVING a poll

conducted for ` THE MOST ARROGENT PERSON in the group,to call anyone

else is strange.

>

> AND REMEMBER I HAD NO PART IN IT, IT WAS THE MOST POUPLAR THING

it was said and sure is, by this mail

>

> but for today's mail on Vasya i rarely seen you discuss astrology

or related comments just critisize, make fun, draw the drift? what

else can u call HYPOCRACY. it is useful if comments are constructive

as today on Vasya. and some debate thant just to show how arragont

you are.

>

> I STAKE STRONG OBJECTION TO THE FOLLOWING AND HOPE Mr. TANIVIR

STEPS IN AND SETS THE ORDER

>

> calling me having double personality is a baseless allegation

and tanvir shall take note of it fact of RR's calling ME as

having one image and doing another as CHARACTER ASSASINATION or

PERSONAL ASSAULT and I ask tanvir to restore decency in the group,

for all members.

>

> IT IS needless to RESTATE that I belong to the founding members

of ICAS, india's premier astro institute and having spent two and

half decades of experience in reading charts as well as TEACHING

ASTROLOGY

> dont think that I am some tom, dick or harry.

>

> I had earlier told you I had some vision problems and to save

time and help more no of people have used short cuts which are

common knowledge.

>

> even in an earlier occassion when I had asked RR to expand on

something he said, he replied as though I had asked him if I were

TANVIR (the host here I guess) but then how does he take the role of

TANVIR in taking digs at everyone in the group, if there is one

posting that HAS NOT ATTRACTED RR's acid wash please stand up, time

to celeberate it. the lucky ones

>

> I, respect and regard for all fraternity as well as querents

alike but sambodhana and sarcastic warnings elicit no respect.

>

>

>

> crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: Prashanta,

>

> Tbanks for responding and sharing with us all, your view of

language and english in particular.

>

> English is not ONE language any more. With British invasion

encompassing pretty much all of the world as we know it, the

language

> has left its mark all over the globe pretty much.

>

> English varies a lot depending on where you are, where you go!

> Accents differ, idioms change, drastically!

>

> Let us not, in this global flux make language an issue,

particularly a language that is not really even ours!

>

> Whether we spell his name Vivekananda or Bibekanondo (really! and

not Bibekananda if you must know!) means diddly if we do not know

what he spake to us of! If you catch my drift!

>

> Same deal for others!!

>

> Your supercillious remark about someone else's english when you

yourself use some rather strange syntax and shortcuts is at the very

least strangely arrogant, considering that you try so hard to come

> across as someone otherwise!

>

> Remember this! I will continue to point out even if it takes me

to Roke someone in the eye and be obnoxious when I see discrepancies

between how people tout to be and what they come across as!

>

> You can count on it, whether you like it or not!

>

> I have seen all kinds and forms of hypocrisy on the jyotish scene

and like it or not, those who to that SHALL hear from me,

one way or another!

>

> RR

>

>

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi RR,

> >

> > IT is not derogratory, it is more when people use theor

> thoughts in mother tounge (where it can be medium of learning as

> well) no fault of theirs but the system under which they r

taught.

> >

> > TRUE THE OTHER FORMS LIKE U SAID DO EXIST

> >

> > with Hinglish u can find ischool, isteel, ismile, astro-logy,

bio-

> logy, eco-nomy etc the near phonetic sounds r used here.

> > similar

> > Bengali bibekananda for vivekananda

> > Rabindranath = Ravindranath

> > the most pouplar quote I remember is forgot the name bhy r u

> standing in the bharanda...? (why and varanda)

> > tamil cero, suse, badthma, COBAL, buri, betrol...

> > for zero, juice, padma, Gopal, puri, petrol

> > u will find telugu speaking using jero, mujic, jig-jag, for

zero,

> music, zig-zag

> >

> > so it is more medium of learing that interefere with

> thought/expression.

> > as this person did not put the question in anyway I cud

> understnad, if u did pl let me know.

> >

> > I saw a similar posting by an girlwho is an MBA, CLAIMED She

was

> a topper all her life. 3 weeksa go neame begins in S

> >

> > b4 i forget thanks for the mail long enuf than a mere

comment.,

> this way u've givenme a chance tos ay nothign is deliberate

wanted

> to know fromt he questioner what they want, wasn't clear to

answer.

> >

> >

> > Prashant

> >

> >

> > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> >

> > I am curious. What is this hinglish you refer to?

> >

> > I don't wish to jump to the conclusion that that term is a

> derogatory

> > remark implying that hindi-speaking individuals are not

capable

> of

> > speaking proper english! So please enlighten us what you

implied.

> >

> > Is there a Banglish, Gujringlish, Marathinglish, taminglish,

> > teluglish, oriainglish, kannanglish, rajinglish, punjinglish

too?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> >

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > i am still wondering if this is english or some hinglish.

> please

> > rephrase ur mail.

> > >

> > > no data to work on, and what do u expect any1 here to do

with

> > this if u want and adive GIVE DATA, ASKA QUESTION?

> > >

> > > Courtney <courtneyjo_2000@> wrote: i have this guy i

> like

> > new he has some major issues in his life but we

> > > like each other just would like to no the future where

its

> going??

> >

>

>

>

> Prashant

>

>

> Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using

Messenger with Voice.

>

>

>

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Prashant,

 

Your allegations are baseless. I hardly know you or care to know

about your form or content as a human being or jyotishi or whatever --

so I am not sure why you allege that called you a double personality

or other things :-)

Your vision or the consequences thereof have nothing to do with this

and I have never ever mentioned anything about that.

Since you are directly attacking me by name, which is something I

prefer better than how some people discharge their negative emotions,

frustrations, other negative feelings etc.

 

What I find objectionable about your writing is that you criticise

others for the very things that you yourself are guilty of, namely:

sarcasm

long winding messages

difficult to understand style at times.

 

I am not perfect and I never said so. I write long messages, I can be

sarcastic at times, my syntax and run-on sentences (at least in

jyotish writings), I know irritate some and are appreciated by some.

But I only attack individuals in response and in defense. I am very

aware of the saying: Those who live in glass houses should not throw

a stone at others. But if a stone is heading this way, don't expect

me to hide and play lamb!

 

I know there is a segment of jyotishis that hates my guts because I

don't let them get away with just writing something as if it is some

gospel truth. They make loud noises and voice assumptions

like, "Jyotish is science" and feel threatened and challenged when

someone even non-challengingly requests illustrations or even proof.

No scientist would ever feel threatened or challenged by such

requests. Some jyotishis have this wrong assumption that they are

somehow the bearers of the burden of proof for jyotish. It is too

huge for all of our shoulders even if we were to join those. They

take questions aimed at jyotish personally as if their personal

integrity is on the line and being attacked. Then there are those

that would immediately bring up classics as if they are

incontrovertible proof of anything. Most classics are really

wonderful collections of possibilities and not certainties. Many

astrologers get so happy when they find a few combinations given in

some classics to work out in a chart. That is interesting but not

enough to convince people out there, outside the club of jyotishis

and jyotish afficianodos. Now some individuals may be blase' about

that and do not feel it necessary to convince anybody, but that is

their opinion. Then there are many preconceived notions in jyotish

and a certain elitist mentality in certain groups of individuals. I

feel it necessary to challenge these misconceptions and will continue

with or without your or anyone's blessings.

 

Just so you know, where I am coming from ...

 

RR

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> RR,

>

> AFTER A LONG timw on thinking if I should respond or take it in

my stide iI felt in the interest of the group it must roll on to set

the record straight.

>

> THERE IS ONE THING I MUST APOLOGISE THE WHOLE DEBATE WOULD HAVE

BEEN AVOIDED IF THE JOB THAT ONLY RR DOES was not taken by me. I

wated the Qurent to explain what she wanted not dig at her.

>

> why u miss the point and make ONLY NOISE,i said the qurent did

not ask anyting anyone could make sense or read so asked her to put

it across again.

> in case she can find ways to do it

>

> AND ENGLISH in different forms, I did not contest BUT RATHER PUT

IT across. just to add like how French, German, Arabs make it

sound different with their mother tounge playing a role.

> not ingoring the various sub dilects like, Welsh, Kent, Scotish

English, Least You feel I've left them...!

>

> AND Inglish as you suggest is no problem with me, the point was

about the writer's mail.

>

>

> DID i contest Swami vivekananda anywhere for the jibe it was just

the sound here.

>

> THIS FACT THAT MOTHER TOUNGE HAS AN IMPACT IS well researched

and documented. not my theory. the varouos bodies that are around to

make English, or Language learning more successful.

>

> ABOUT MY SHORT CUTS I HOPE YOU HAVE USED INTERNET FOR SOME YEARS

BY NOW!

> MOST WEB BROWSERS, REDIFF, , MSN etc have a section called

Net Jargom it is standard and phonitic.

> NOT ARROGANT

> and for someone whose name was in long threads on HAVING a poll

conducted for ` THE MOST ARROGENT PERSON in the group,to call anyone

else is strange.

>

> AND REMEMBER I HAD NO PART IN IT, IT WAS THE MOST POUPLAR THING

it was said and sure is, by this mail

>

> but for today's mail on Vasya i rarely seen you discuss astrology

or related comments just critisize, make fun, draw the drift? what

else can u call HYPOCRACY. it is useful if comments are constructive

as today on Vasya. and some debate thant just to show how arragont

you are.

>

> I STAKE STRONG OBJECTION TO THE FOLLOWING AND HOPE Mr. TANIVIR

STEPS IN AND SETS THE ORDER

>

> calling me having double personality is a baseless allegation

and tanvir shall take note of it fact of RR's calling ME as

having one image and doing another as CHARACTER ASSASINATION or

PERSONAL ASSAULT and I ask tanvir to restore decency in the group,

for all members.

>

> IT IS needless to RESTATE that I belong to the founding members

of ICAS, india's premier astro institute and having spent two and

half decades of experience in reading charts as well as TEACHING

ASTROLOGY

> dont think that I am some tom, dick or harry.

>

> I had earlier told you I had some vision problems and to save

time and help more no of people have used short cuts which are

common knowledge.

>

> even in an earlier occassion when I had asked RR to expand on

something he said, he replied as though I had asked him if I were

TANVIR (the host here I guess) but then how does he take the role of

TANVIR in taking digs at everyone in the group, if there is one

posting that HAS NOT ATTRACTED RR's acid wash please stand up, time

to celeberate it. the lucky ones

>

> I, respect and regard for all fraternity as well as querents

alike but sambodhana and sarcastic warnings elicit no respect.

>

>

>

> crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: Prashanta,

>

> Tbanks for responding and sharing with us all, your view of

language and english in particular.

>

> English is not ONE language any more. With British invasion

encompassing pretty much all of the world as we know it, the

language

> has left its mark all over the globe pretty much.

>

> English varies a lot depending on where you are, where you go!

> Accents differ, idioms change, drastically!

>

> Let us not, in this global flux make language an issue,

particularly a language that is not really even ours!

>

> Whether we spell his name Vivekananda or Bibekanondo (really! and

not Bibekananda if you must know!) means diddly if we do not know

what he spake to us of! If you catch my drift!

>

> Same deal for others!!

>

> Your supercillious remark about someone else's english when you

yourself use some rather strange syntax and shortcuts is at the very

least strangely arrogant, considering that you try so hard to come

> across as someone otherwise!

>

> Remember this! I will continue to point out even if it takes me

to Roke someone in the eye and be obnoxious when I see discrepancies

between how people tout to be and what they come across as!

>

> You can count on it, whether you like it or not!

>

> I have seen all kinds and forms of hypocrisy on the jyotish scene

and like it or not, those who to that SHALL hear from me,

one way or another!

>

> RR

>

>

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi RR,

> >

> > IT is not derogratory, it is more when people use theor

> thoughts in mother tounge (where it can be medium of learning as

> well) no fault of theirs but the system under which they r

taught.

> >

> > TRUE THE OTHER FORMS LIKE U SAID DO EXIST

> >

> > with Hinglish u can find ischool, isteel, ismile, astro-logy,

bio-

> logy, eco-nomy etc the near phonetic sounds r used here.

> > similar

> > Bengali bibekananda for vivekananda

> > Rabindranath = Ravindranath

> > the most pouplar quote I remember is forgot the name bhy r u

> standing in the bharanda...? (why and varanda)

> > tamil cero, suse, badthma, COBAL, buri, betrol...

> > for zero, juice, padma, Gopal, puri, petrol

> > u will find telugu speaking using jero, mujic, jig-jag, for

zero,

> music, zig-zag

> >

> > so it is more medium of learing that interefere with

> thought/expression.

> > as this person did not put the question in anyway I cud

> understnad, if u did pl let me know.

> >

> > I saw a similar posting by an girlwho is an MBA, CLAIMED She

was

> a topper all her life. 3 weeksa go neame begins in S

> >

> > b4 i forget thanks for the mail long enuf than a mere

comment.,

> this way u've givenme a chance tos ay nothign is deliberate

wanted

> to know fromt he questioner what they want, wasn't clear to

answer.

> >

> >

> > Prashant

> >

> >

> > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> >

> > I am curious. What is this hinglish you refer to?

> >

> > I don't wish to jump to the conclusion that that term is a

> derogatory

> > remark implying that hindi-speaking individuals are not

capable

> of

> > speaking proper english! So please enlighten us what you

implied.

> >

> > Is there a Banglish, Gujringlish, Marathinglish, taminglish,

> > teluglish, oriainglish, kannanglish, rajinglish, punjinglish

too?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> >

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > i am still wondering if this is english or some hinglish.

> please

> > rephrase ur mail.

> > >

> > > no data to work on, and what do u expect any1 here to do

with

> > this if u want and adive GIVE DATA, ASKA QUESTION?

> > >

> > > Courtney <courtneyjo_2000@> wrote: i have this guy i

> like

> > new he has some major issues in his life but we

> > > like each other just would like to no the future where

its

> going??

> >

>

>

>

> Prashant

>

>

> Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using

Messenger with Voice.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear RR ji,

while reading through your passing comments to all the other mails,

I was thinking that, you will just continue to feel exalted and

nothing worthy is going to come out today. But this mail was

really different one. Thank you for that.

Though I disagree with many of the ideas expressed it was really

good reading stuff. I was really impressed with the last para -

> No scientist would ever feel threatened or challenged by such

> requests. Some jyotishis have this wrong assumption that they are

> somehow the bearers of the burden of proof for jyotish. It is too

> huge for all of our shoulders even if we were to join those. They

> take questions aimed at jyotish personally as if their personal

> integrity is on the line and being attacked. Then there are those

> that would immediately bring up classics as if they are

> incontrovertible proof of anything. Most classics are really

> wonderful collections of possibilities and not certainties. Many

> astrologers get so happy when they find a few combinations given in

> some classics to work out in a chart. That is interesting but not

> enough to convince people out there, outside the club of jyotishis

> and jyotish afficianodos. Now some individuals may be blase' about

> that and do not feel it necessary to convince anybody, but that is

> their opinion.

Good thoughts - Well said.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, "crystal pages"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Prashant,

>

> Your allegations are baseless. I hardly know you or care to know

> about your form or content as a human being or jyotishi or

whatever --

> so I am not sure why you allege that called you a double

personality

> or other things :-)

> Your vision or the consequences thereof have nothing to do with

this

> and I have never ever mentioned anything about that.

> Since you are directly attacking me by name, which is something I

> prefer better than how some people discharge their negative

emotions,

> frustrations, other negative feelings etc.

>

> What I find objectionable about your writing is that you criticise

> others for the very things that you yourself are guilty of, namely:

> sarcasm

> long winding messages

> difficult to understand style at times.

>

> I am not perfect and I never said so. I write long messages, I can

be

> sarcastic at times, my syntax and run-on sentences (at least in

> jyotish writings), I know irritate some and are appreciated by

some.

> But I only attack individuals in response and in defense. I am very

> aware of the saying: Those who live in glass houses should not

throw

> a stone at others. But if a stone is heading this way, don't expect

> me to hide and play lamb!

>

> I know there is a segment of jyotishis that hates my guts because I

> don't let them get away with just writing something as if it is

some

> gospel truth. They make loud noises and voice assumptions

> like, "Jyotish is science" and feel threatened and challenged when

> someone even non-challengingly requests illustrations or even

proof.

> No scientist would ever feel threatened or challenged by such

> requests. Some jyotishis have this wrong assumption that they are

> somehow the bearers of the burden of proof for jyotish. It is too

> huge for all of our shoulders even if we were to join those. They

> take questions aimed at jyotish personally as if their personal

> integrity is on the line and being attacked. Then there are those

> that would immediately bring up classics as if they are

> incontrovertible proof of anything. Most classics are really

> wonderful collections of possibilities and not certainties. Many

> astrologers get so happy when they find a few combinations given in

> some classics to work out in a chart. That is interesting but not

> enough to convince people out there, outside the club of jyotishis

> and jyotish afficianodos. Now some individuals may be blase' about

> that and do not feel it necessary to convince anybody, but that is

> their opinion. Then there are many preconceived notions in jyotish

> and a certain elitist mentality in certain groups of individuals. I

> feel it necessary to challenge these misconceptions and will

continue

> with or without your or anyone's blessings.

>

> Just so you know, where I am coming from ...

>

> RR

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >

> > RR,

> >

> > AFTER A LONG timw on thinking if I should respond or take it in

> my stide iI felt in the interest of the group it must roll on to

set

> the record straight.

> >

> > THERE IS ONE THING I MUST APOLOGISE THE WHOLE DEBATE WOULD HAVE

> BEEN AVOIDED IF THE JOB THAT ONLY RR DOES was not taken by me. I

> wated the Qurent to explain what she wanted not dig at her.

> >

> > why u miss the point and make ONLY NOISE,i said the qurent did

> not ask anyting anyone could make sense or read so asked her to

put

> it across again.

> > in case she can find ways to do it

> >

> > AND ENGLISH in different forms, I did not contest BUT RATHER

PUT

> IT across. just to add like how French, German, Arabs make it

> sound different with their mother tounge playing a role.

> > not ingoring the various sub dilects like, Welsh, Kent, Scotish

> English, Least You feel I've left them...!

> >

> > AND Inglish as you suggest is no problem with me, the point was

> about the writer's mail.

> >

> >

> > DID i contest Swami vivekananda anywhere for the jibe it was

just

> the sound here.

> >

> > THIS FACT THAT MOTHER TOUNGE HAS AN IMPACT IS well researched

> and documented. not my theory. the varouos bodies that are around

to

> make English, or Language learning more successful.

> >

> > ABOUT MY SHORT CUTS I HOPE YOU HAVE USED INTERNET FOR SOME

YEARS

> BY NOW!

> > MOST WEB BROWSERS, REDIFF, , MSN etc have a section

called

> Net Jargom it is standard and phonitic.

> > NOT ARROGANT

> > and for someone whose name was in long threads on HAVING a

poll

> conducted for ` THE MOST ARROGENT PERSON in the group,to call

anyone

> else is strange.

> >

> > AND REMEMBER I HAD NO PART IN IT, IT WAS THE MOST POUPLAR THING

> it was said and sure is, by this mail

> >

> > but for today's mail on Vasya i rarely seen you discuss

astrology

> or related comments just critisize, make fun, draw the drift? what

> else can u call HYPOCRACY. it is useful if comments are

constructive

> as today on Vasya. and some debate thant just to show how arragont

> you are.

> >

> > I STAKE STRONG OBJECTION TO THE FOLLOWING AND HOPE Mr. TANIVIR

> STEPS IN AND SETS THE ORDER

> >

> > calling me having double personality is a baseless allegation

> and tanvir shall take note of it fact of RR's calling ME as

> having one image and doing another as CHARACTER ASSASINATION or

> PERSONAL ASSAULT and I ask tanvir to restore decency in the group,

> for all members.

> >

> > IT IS needless to RESTATE that I belong to the founding members

> of ICAS, india's premier astro institute and having spent two and

> half decades of experience in reading charts as well as TEACHING

> ASTROLOGY

> > dont think that I am some tom, dick or harry.

> >

> > I had earlier told you I had some vision problems and to save

> time and help more no of people have used short cuts which are

> common knowledge.

> >

> > even in an earlier occassion when I had asked RR to expand on

> something he said, he replied as though I had asked him if I were

> TANVIR (the host here I guess) but then how does he take the role

of

> TANVIR in taking digs at everyone in the group, if there is one

> posting that HAS NOT ATTRACTED RR's acid wash please stand up,

time

> to celeberate it. the lucky ones

> >

> > I, respect and regard for all fraternity as well as querents

> alike but sambodhana and sarcastic warnings elicit no respect.

> >

> >

> >

> > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashanta,

> >

> > Tbanks for responding and sharing with us all, your view of

> language and english in particular.

> >

> > English is not ONE language any more. With British invasion

> encompassing pretty much all of the world as we know it, the

> language

> > has left its mark all over the globe pretty much.

> >

> > English varies a lot depending on where you are, where you go!

> > Accents differ, idioms change, drastically!

> >

> > Let us not, in this global flux make language an issue,

> particularly a language that is not really even ours!

> >

> > Whether we spell his name Vivekananda or Bibekanondo (really!

and

> not Bibekananda if you must know!) means diddly if we do not know

> what he spake to us of! If you catch my drift!

> >

> > Same deal for others!!

> >

> > Your supercillious remark about someone else's english when

you

> yourself use some rather strange syntax and shortcuts is at the

very

> least strangely arrogant, considering that you try so hard to come

> > across as someone otherwise!

> >

> > Remember this! I will continue to point out even if it takes me

> to Roke someone in the eye and be obnoxious when I see

discrepancies

> between how people tout to be and what they come across as!

> >

> > You can count on it, whether you like it or not!

> >

> > I have seen all kinds and forms of hypocrisy on the jyotish

scene

> and like it or not, those who to that SHALL hear from

me,

> one way or another!

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi RR,

> > >

> > > IT is not derogratory, it is more when people use theor

> > thoughts in mother tounge (where it can be medium of learning

as

> > well) no fault of theirs but the system under which they r

> taught.

> > >

> > > TRUE THE OTHER FORMS LIKE U SAID DO EXIST

> > >

> > > with Hinglish u can find ischool, isteel, ismile, astro-

logy,

> bio-

> > logy, eco-nomy etc the near phonetic sounds r used here.

> > > similar

> > > Bengali bibekananda for vivekananda

> > > Rabindranath = Ravindranath

> > > the most pouplar quote I remember is forgot the name bhy r

u

> > standing in the bharanda...? (why and varanda)

> > > tamil cero, suse, badthma, COBAL, buri, betrol...

> > > for zero, juice, padma, Gopal, puri, petrol

> > > u will find telugu speaking using jero, mujic, jig-jag, for

> zero,

> > music, zig-zag

> > >

> > > so it is more medium of learing that interefere with

> > thought/expression.

> > > as this person did not put the question in anyway I cud

> > understnad, if u did pl let me know.

> > >

> > > I saw a similar posting by an girlwho is an MBA, CLAIMED

She

> was

> > a topper all her life. 3 weeksa go neame begins in S

> > >

> > > b4 i forget thanks for the mail long enuf than a mere

> comment.,

> > this way u've givenme a chance tos ay nothign is deliberate

> wanted

> > to know fromt he questioner what they want, wasn't clear to

> answer.

> > >

> > >

> > > Prashant

> > >

> > >

> > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > >

> > > I am curious. What is this hinglish you refer to?

> > >

> > > I don't wish to jump to the conclusion that that term is a

> > derogatory

> > > remark implying that hindi-speaking individuals are not

> capable

> > of

> > > speaking proper english! So please enlighten us what you

> implied.

> > >

> > > Is there a Banglish, Gujringlish, Marathinglish,

taminglish,

> > > teluglish, oriainglish, kannanglish, rajinglish,

punjinglish

> too?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > i am still wondering if this is english or some hinglish.

> > please

> > > rephrase ur mail.

> > > >

> > > > no data to work on, and what do u expect any1 here to

do

> with

> > > this if u want and adive GIVE DATA, ASKA QUESTION?

> > > >

> > > > Courtney <courtneyjo_2000@> wrote: i have this guy

i

> > like

> > > new he has some major issues in his life but we

> > > > like each other just would like to no the future where

> its

> > going??

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > Prashant

> >

> >

> > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using

> Messenger with Voice.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

'Exalted'? Is that the antonym of "insulted"? ;-)

 

 

, "Sreenadh" <sreesog

wrote:

>

> Dear RR ji,

> while reading through your passing comments to all the other

mails,

> I was thinking that, you will just continue to feel exalted and

> nothing worthy is going to come out today. But this mail was

> really different one. Thank you for that.

> Though I disagree with many of the ideas expressed it was really

> good reading stuff. I was really impressed with the last para -

> > No scientist would ever feel threatened or challenged by such

> > requests. Some jyotishis have this wrong assumption that they are

> > somehow the bearers of the burden of proof for jyotish. It is too

> > huge for all of our shoulders even if we were to join those. They

> > take questions aimed at jyotish personally as if their personal

> > integrity is on the line and being attacked. Then there are those

> > that would immediately bring up classics as if they are

> > incontrovertible proof of anything. Most classics are really

> > wonderful collections of possibilities and not certainties. Many

> > astrologers get so happy when they find a few combinations given

in

> > some classics to work out in a chart. That is interesting but not

> > enough to convince people out there, outside the club of

jyotishis

> > and jyotish afficianodos. Now some individuals may be blase'

about

> > that and do not feel it necessary to convince anybody, but that

is

> > their opinion.

> Good thoughts - Well said.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , "crystal pages"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Prashant,

> >

> > Your allegations are baseless. I hardly know you or care to know

> > about your form or content as a human being or jyotishi or

> whatever --

> > so I am not sure why you allege that called you a double

> personality

> > or other things :-)

> > Your vision or the consequences thereof have nothing to do with

> this

> > and I have never ever mentioned anything about that.

> > Since you are directly attacking me by name, which is something I

> > prefer better than how some people discharge their negative

> emotions,

> > frustrations, other negative feelings etc.

> >

> > What I find objectionable about your writing is that you

criticise

> > others for the very things that you yourself are guilty of,

namely:

> > sarcasm

> > long winding messages

> > difficult to understand style at times.

> >

> > I am not perfect and I never said so. I write long messages, I

can

> be

> > sarcastic at times, my syntax and run-on sentences (at least in

> > jyotish writings), I know irritate some and are appreciated by

> some.

> > But I only attack individuals in response and in defense. I am

very

> > aware of the saying: Those who live in glass houses should not

> throw

> > a stone at others. But if a stone is heading this way, don't

expect

> > me to hide and play lamb!

> >

> > I know there is a segment of jyotishis that hates my guts because

I

> > don't let them get away with just writing something as if it is

> some

> > gospel truth. They make loud noises and voice assumptions

> > like, "Jyotish is science" and feel threatened and challenged

when

> > someone even non-challengingly requests illustrations or even

> proof.

> > No scientist would ever feel threatened or challenged by such

> > requests. Some jyotishis have this wrong assumption that they are

> > somehow the bearers of the burden of proof for jyotish. It is too

> > huge for all of our shoulders even if we were to join those. They

> > take questions aimed at jyotish personally as if their personal

> > integrity is on the line and being attacked. Then there are those

> > that would immediately bring up classics as if they are

> > incontrovertible proof of anything. Most classics are really

> > wonderful collections of possibilities and not certainties. Many

> > astrologers get so happy when they find a few combinations given

in

> > some classics to work out in a chart. That is interesting but not

> > enough to convince people out there, outside the club of

jyotishis

> > and jyotish afficianodos. Now some individuals may be blase'

about

> > that and do not feel it necessary to convince anybody, but that

is

> > their opinion. Then there are many preconceived notions in

jyotish

> > and a certain elitist mentality in certain groups of individuals.

I

> > feel it necessary to challenge these misconceptions and will

> continue

> > with or without your or anyone's blessings.

> >

> > Just so you know, where I am coming from ...

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > RR,

> > >

> > > AFTER A LONG timw on thinking if I should respond or take it

in

> > my stide iI felt in the interest of the group it must roll on to

> set

> > the record straight.

> > >

> > > THERE IS ONE THING I MUST APOLOGISE THE WHOLE DEBATE WOULD

HAVE

> > BEEN AVOIDED IF THE JOB THAT ONLY RR DOES was not taken by me.

I

> > wated the Qurent to explain what she wanted not dig at her.

> > >

> > > why u miss the point and make ONLY NOISE,i said the qurent did

> > not ask anyting anyone could make sense or read so asked her to

> put

> > it across again.

> > > in case she can find ways to do it

> > >

> > > AND ENGLISH in different forms, I did not contest BUT RATHER

> PUT

> > IT across. just to add like how French, German, Arabs make it

> > sound different with their mother tounge playing a role.

> > > not ingoring the various sub dilects like, Welsh, Kent,

Scotish

> > English, Least You feel I've left them...!

> > >

> > > AND Inglish as you suggest is no problem with me, the point

was

> > about the writer's mail.

> > >

> > >

> > > DID i contest Swami vivekananda anywhere for the jibe it was

> just

> > the sound here.

> > >

> > > THIS FACT THAT MOTHER TOUNGE HAS AN IMPACT IS well researched

> > and documented. not my theory. the varouos bodies that are

around

> to

> > make English, or Language learning more successful.

> > >

> > > ABOUT MY SHORT CUTS I HOPE YOU HAVE USED INTERNET FOR SOME

> YEARS

> > BY NOW!

> > > MOST WEB BROWSERS, REDIFF, , MSN etc have a section

> called

> > Net Jargom it is standard and phonitic.

> > > NOT ARROGANT

> > > and for someone whose name was in long threads on HAVING a

> poll

> > conducted for ` THE MOST ARROGENT PERSON in the group,to call

> anyone

> > else is strange.

> > >

> > > AND REMEMBER I HAD NO PART IN IT, IT WAS THE MOST POUPLAR

THING

> > it was said and sure is, by this mail

> > >

> > > but for today's mail on Vasya i rarely seen you discuss

> astrology

> > or related comments just critisize, make fun, draw the drift?

what

> > else can u call HYPOCRACY. it is useful if comments are

> constructive

> > as today on Vasya. and some debate thant just to show how

arragont

> > you are.

> > >

> > > I STAKE STRONG OBJECTION TO THE FOLLOWING AND HOPE Mr.

TANIVIR

> > STEPS IN AND SETS THE ORDER

> > >

> > > calling me having double personality is a baseless allegation

> > and tanvir shall take note of it fact of RR's calling ME as

> > having one image and doing another as CHARACTER ASSASINATION or

> > PERSONAL ASSAULT and I ask tanvir to restore decency in the

group,

> > for all members.

> > >

> > > IT IS needless to RESTATE that I belong to the founding

members

> > of ICAS, india's premier astro institute and having spent two

and

> > half decades of experience in reading charts as well as TEACHING

> > ASTROLOGY

> > > dont think that I am some tom, dick or harry.

> > >

> > > I had earlier told you I had some vision problems and to save

> > time and help more no of people have used short cuts which are

> > common knowledge.

> > >

> > > even in an earlier occassion when I had asked RR to expand on

> > something he said, he replied as though I had asked him if I

were

> > TANVIR (the host here I guess) but then how does he take the

role

> of

> > TANVIR in taking digs at everyone in the group, if there is one

> > posting that HAS NOT ATTRACTED RR's acid wash please stand up,

> time

> > to celeberate it. the lucky ones

> > >

> > > I, respect and regard for all fraternity as well as querents

> > alike but sambodhana and sarcastic warnings elicit no respect.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashanta,

> > >

> > > Tbanks for responding and sharing with us all, your view of

> > language and english in particular.

> > >

> > > English is not ONE language any more. With British invasion

> > encompassing pretty much all of the world as we know it, the

> > language

> > > has left its mark all over the globe pretty much.

> > >

> > > English varies a lot depending on where you are, where you

go!

> > > Accents differ, idioms change, drastically!

> > >

> > > Let us not, in this global flux make language an issue,

> > particularly a language that is not really even ours!

> > >

> > > Whether we spell his name Vivekananda or Bibekanondo (really!

> and

> > not Bibekananda if you must know!) means diddly if we do not

know

> > what he spake to us of! If you catch my drift!

> > >

> > > Same deal for others!!

> > >

> > > Your supercillious remark about someone else's english when

> you

> > yourself use some rather strange syntax and shortcuts is at the

> very

> > least strangely arrogant, considering that you try so hard to

come

> > > across as someone otherwise!

> > >

> > > Remember this! I will continue to point out even if it takes

me

> > to Roke someone in the eye and be obnoxious when I see

> discrepancies

> > between how people tout to be and what they come across as!

> > >

> > > You can count on it, whether you like it or not!

> > >

> > > I have seen all kinds and forms of hypocrisy on the jyotish

> scene

> > and like it or not, those who to that SHALL hear from

> me,

> > one way or another!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi RR,

> > > >

> > > > IT is not derogratory, it is more when people use theor

> > > thoughts in mother tounge (where it can be medium of

learning

> as

> > > well) no fault of theirs but the system under which they r

> > taught.

> > > >

> > > > TRUE THE OTHER FORMS LIKE U SAID DO EXIST

> > > >

> > > > with Hinglish u can find ischool, isteel, ismile, astro-

> logy,

> > bio-

> > > logy, eco-nomy etc the near phonetic sounds r used here.

> > > > similar

> > > > Bengali bibekananda for vivekananda

> > > > Rabindranath = Ravindranath

> > > > the most pouplar quote I remember is forgot the name bhy

r

> u

> > > standing in the bharanda...? (why and varanda)

> > > > tamil cero, suse, badthma, COBAL, buri, betrol...

> > > > for zero, juice, padma, Gopal, puri, petrol

> > > > u will find telugu speaking using jero, mujic, jig-jag,

for

> > zero,

> > > music, zig-zag

> > > >

> > > > so it is more medium of learing that interefere with

> > > thought/expression.

> > > > as this person did not put the question in anyway I cud

> > > understnad, if u did pl let me know.

> > > >

> > > > I saw a similar posting by an girlwho is an MBA, CLAIMED

> She

> > was

> > > a topper all her life. 3 weeksa go neame begins in S

> > > >

> > > > b4 i forget thanks for the mail long enuf than a mere

> > comment.,

> > > this way u've givenme a chance tos ay nothign is deliberate

> > wanted

> > > to know fromt he questioner what they want, wasn't clear to

> > answer.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Prashant

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > >

> > > > I am curious. What is this hinglish you refer to?

> > > >

> > > > I don't wish to jump to the conclusion that that term is

a

> > > derogatory

> > > > remark implying that hindi-speaking individuals are not

> > capable

> > > of

> > > > speaking proper english! So please enlighten us what you

> > implied.

> > > >

> > > > Is there a Banglish, Gujringlish, Marathinglish,

> taminglish,

> > > > teluglish, oriainglish, kannanglish, rajinglish,

> punjinglish

> > too?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , Prashant Kumar G

B

> > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > i am still wondering if this is english or some

hinglish.

> > > please

> > > > rephrase ur mail.

> > > > >

> > > > > no data to work on, and what do u expect any1 here to

> do

> > with

> > > > this if u want and adive GIVE DATA, ASKA QUESTION?

> > > > >

> > > > > Courtney <courtneyjo_2000@> wrote: i have this

guy

> i

> > > like

> > > > new he has some major issues in his life but we

> > > > > like each other just would like to no the future

where

> > its

> > > going??

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Prashant

> > >

> > >

> > > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls

using

> > Messenger with Voice.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>