Jupiter does not destroy the house/sign it is in, in a natal chart 3/4 the contens?

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Dear readers Please use the space to debate the main topics in a thread and

some masala all masala and no stuff and retaining my thread is too much, i

except some food for thought not food

 

May I remind u all the rahu, ketu debate took some1 to condem Guru as a

malefic to which I said it is wrong to implicate guru from current standards

and esp judging rama's chart of a different Yuga was absard. from rama's Yuga

Guru is sure benefic for Kali Yuga lesser.

 

ALL CLASSICS TALK OF GURus benine influnece, association but some

NEO-RESEARCHERS FEEL OTHERWISE and still have no material to prove it that it

is a malefic and ridiculed people who supported it is benefic, as thogh they

have deviated from the main rules laid so far.

 

when the so called researchers can't find proper case studies or material to

support their claims, still ridicule so plesae take part init and no masala.

 

Prashant

 

 

 

auromirra19 <nalini2818 wrote: Nirmalji,

Turmeric is a good antisceptic and hing is good for digestion.

Nirmal ji, my only question was and always is, what is the meaning

of that magic word *happiness*, illusion- elusive-delusion, I could

go on. When in Chennai, an astrologer asked me, Madam, have you ever

been happy? I coudnt answer. I then asked myself, yes what is it?

have I ever been happy, I need a yardstick to measure it , what is

that yardstick. I am still waiting for the answer.This was 16 years

back, I am still searching. Your cannot find the perfect recipe for

happiness, keep experimenting, less this more that, keep doing it.

would arrive at a recipe, but what if your taste changes by then.

coming to terms with *that* is happiness, it is internal. Cant find

it in rainbows, swamps, bagh bageeche.Internalise it , it can never

flit about like that elusive butterfly. Oh! Sorry, I guess you asked

the wrong person

Regards

Nalini

, Nirmal Anand

<nirdayita wrote:

>

> Dear Naliniji,

>

> I was always told my chart was exceptional and yet here I am

chasing the butterfly of happiness. How many more swamps will it

lead me through ? :-) The masala analogy is excellent; what do I do

when there's an abudance of haldi and hing in my preparation

though ????? Here's my info:

>

> 6.40 am on March 1st, 1977 in Mumbai :-)

>

> N

>

> auromirra19 <nalini2818 wrote:

> Now, now , now Nirmalji. If everyone who has the combination is

> ruined, where is the fun, the real masala( pardon me for a

transient

> irreverance, coudnt resist it) lies in the

combinations/proportions

> and portions of the other ingredients. There lies the secret of

the

> recipe- and no dish tastes alike mind you. Btw could never

> understand how pongal used to taste the same any time any day in a

> particular restaurant.

> best Wishes

> Nalini

> , Nirmal Anand

> <nirdayita@> wrote:

> >

> > Gosh, would that mean if I have Guru in my Sukhasthana (4th

house)

> and Shani in my Ripusthana (6th house) - I'm doomed????

> >

> > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote: Respected Pandit Arjun ji,

> > Very succinct. It is all in the mind. How we perceive is all

that

> > matters. maleficness and benignity are all as a native perceives

> > them to be and relative. Sreenadh ji is right when says planets,

> no

> > let me be clear, grahas cannot be branded benefic or malefic .

> > Regards

> > Nalini

> > , "panditarjun2004"

> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear sreenadh ji

> > >

> > > you wrote:

> > > "A planet is neither benefic or malefic but only a

significator

> or

> > > several things. And it is wrong to classify a planet as

benefic

> or

> > > malefic."

> > >

> > > scientifically, based on astronomy, the above statement is a

> FACT

> > > which none can deny.

> > >

> > > however, astrology and mythology (not literally mythical!)

based

> > on

> > > puranas and samhitas teach planets and stars as persons and

not

> > > celestial objects. in mythology chandra is a male and in

> > astrology

> > > chandra is a female.

> > >

> > > science looks at planets as lifeless objects or a mass or ball

> of

> > > chemicals, gases and other susbtances. mythology looks at

> planets

> > > as gods and demons signifying various dispositions direclty

> > > affecting all humans.

> > >

> > > as you rightly observed, instead of branding a planet as

benefic

> > or

> > > malefic, we shall focus more on their dispositions, for what

is

> > good

> > > for one is perceived by another as bad. one person sees a

wife

> as

> > > bringing good luck, wealth and material comforts, a realised

> > person

> > > sees a wife as maya and prefer brahmacharyam and renouncement

> and

> > > yet another realised person see direct goddess in her. in all

> the

> > > three cases, jupiter has his own role but perceptions of the

> > native

> > > in receiving the dispositions are different.

> > >

> > > with best wishes

> > > arjun

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "Sreenadh" <sreelid@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > I know that Ju in Cp being the 6th lord in Debilitation

can

> be

> > a

> > > > real malefic as far as married life is concerned. It becomes

a

> > > very

> > > > strong Stana-Bhava-Graha (Sign-House-Planet) prediction and

> the

> > > > classics supports it with slokas. Jataka Chandrika (also

known

> > as

> > > > Leghu parasari) says that Ju, when placed in a marka stana

> (2nd

> > or

> > > > 7th house) can cause death if it is a Kendradhipati.

> > > > Sa, Ma or Su can give very good results when exalted and

well

> > > placed

> > > > and thus becomes a benefic. After all Benefic means - A

> > planet

> > > > that gives good results and Malefic means - A planet that

> gives

> > > bad

> > > > results.

> > > > Should I start a new controversy by stating that "A planet

is

> > > > neither benefic or malefic but only a significator or

several

> > > things.

> > > > And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic or malefic.

> What

> > > is

> > > > important is understanding the predictions that should be

> given

> > to

> > > > each combination" ???!! Shall I add some spice to it by

> stating

> > > that

> > > > classifications such as "Benefic x MaleficSustana x

> Dustana"

> > > are

> > > > just descriptive techniques developed to teach the subject,

> > which

> > > > later caused all the troubles and confusions"?!!

> > > > Yap. I know I have already made the statement!!

> > > > Now let us modify it, so that the idea becomes clear.

> > > > Combinations (Yoga) that are used for prediction could be

of

> 7

> > > > types. The whole astrology uses a 7-fold prediction system.

> > > > 1) Sign (Stana Phala :- sign based prediction)

> > > > For eg :Divisions of signs as Fire, Air etc, Chara,

> Stira,

> > > etc.

> > > > 2) House (Bhava phala :- house based prediction)

> > > > For eg: If 4th lord is placed in 6th we give some

> > > predictions.

> > > > 3) Planet (Graha phala :- planet based prediction)

> > > > For eg: If Su and Me is together we give some

prediction.

> > > > 4) Sign-House (Stana - Bhava :- Sign-House based

prediction)

> > > > For eg: If Ge is 3rd house from Asc we give some

> prediction.

> > > > 5) Sign-Planet (Stana-Graha :- Sign-Planet based

prediction)

> > > > For eg: If Mo is in Tarus we give some prediction.

> > > > 6) House-Planet (Bhava-Graha :- House-Planet based

> prediction)

> > > > For eg: If Me is in 2nd house we give some prediction.

> > > > 7) Sign-House-Planet (Stana-Bhava-Graha :- Sign-House-

Planet

> > > > prediction)

> > > > For eg: If (take our above eg.) Ju the 6th lord for Cn

> Asc

> > is

> > > in

> > > > Cp then we give some prediction.

> > > > If we are well aware of this system used by the Rishis,

> what

> > is

> > > > the purpose and use of concepts like "Benefic x

> > MalificSustana

> > > x

> > > > Dustana"? We just use them in general discussions to avoid

> > > details.

> > > > I hope the point is clear. Should be now again argue that

Ju

> is

> > > > benefic or Malefic, and Ma is benefic or malefic?? And still

> > reach

> > > no

> > > > compromise and no conclusion? Let us try to learn and

> > predict,

> > > > rather than getting entrapped in such controversies.

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > , "crystal pages"

> > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I do not see my role or responsibility here, dear member,

to

> > > > provide

> > > > > examples to support or refute interesting theories people

> come

> > > up

> > > > > with :-) It lies squarely on the broad shoulders of the

> brave

> > > > > proponent!

> > > > >

> > > > > Speaking of clarity in messages to which you and a couple

> > others

> > > > keep

> > > > > alluding to -- there is that saying about the pot calling

> the

> > > > kettle

> > > > > black or maybe it is the kettle that calls the pot so --

> > etc. ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , Prashant Kumar G

B

> > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi RR,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Well it is good to read 2 good mails that can be read

> with

> > > ease

> > > > > by anyone.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here i felt u wud come up examples galore on Guru as a

> > > Malefic

> > > > or

> > > > > sign spoiler if this was the accepted or pouplar norm, I

> > still

> > > > leave

> > > > > the field open for u and any1 who belives so to put such

> > charts

> > > on

> > > > > the forum easy to handle that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If it is about it not being a malefic I am sure many

> will

> > > chip

> > > > in

> > > > > I will do my part ASAP..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bottom line if Guru is a benific their lives may not

be

> as

> > > > > interesting to read as Bill Gates, Marlyn Manro, Dhribhai

> > > Ambani,

> > > > > Michel Jackson, Laloo Prsad Yadav etc.

> > > > > > u can see a Lal Bahudur Shastry, Manmohan Singh type

> > people

> > > in

> > > > > it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > PRASHANT

> > > > > >

> > > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So that clarity does not get watered down. I was taken

by

> > > your

> > > > > strong statement of conviction that opposed the "notions"

> > that

> > > > > astrologers have, namely that jupiter destroys the house

it

> is

> > > in

> > > > or

> > > > > can be a malefic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The strong statement from you made me assume,

naturally,

> > > that

> > > > > your conviction was born out of having seen strong

evidence

> > in

> > > > > charts and

> > > > > > which you may wish to share so that we can see your

> > > statement

> > > > > illustrated. As a general statement, please note that this

> was

> > a

> > > > > simple request which need not get anyone on the

defensive,

> > etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope that was clear and not too painful to figure

out :-

> )

> > > And

> > > > > clarity was the sole reason for my focusing only on one

> > segment

> > > of

> > > > > your longer post.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Prashant

Kumar

> G

> > B

> > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > HiRR,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > pretty fast though.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > well i assume u mean that it is a malefic and not

> may

> > > > > examples of

> > > > > > it beingbenific right?

> > > > > > > I said it is benefic in past Yogas and in present

if

> u

> > r

> > > > > prepared

> > > > > > to wait till it delivers, and also if one remain

> honest,

> > > > > selfless,

> > > > > > as human as possible

> > > > > > > not possibe in the commercial, materialsitic world

> we

> > r

> > > > in,

> > > > > so

> > > > > > the varoiuos exaples I said if we don't bribe...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > if u find unseccessful people by which i mean one

> how

> > > has

> > > > not

> > > > > > made a fortune, u can pick his Guru for it.

> > > > > > > for people who succed by hook or crook GURU is a

> pure

> > > > > malefic,

> > > > > > not sure if I have to repeat it again or with charts

> sure

> > > will

> > > > > then

> > > > > > some moderator will say no personal charts, openions

if

> u

> > > > allow

> > > > > it

> > > > > > can put them accross. SURE.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > anyway am happy u clipped some part of the mail

and

> > > wrote

> > > > > back

> > > > > > else would be in circles on what u meant.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > any way for record sake my paternal grandfather

was

> an

> > > > > atheist,

> > > > > > my father is a rationalist, and I can say I AM MIiX

of

> > > > > > rationalst+traditionalist but know our forefathers r

far

> > > > better

> > > > > > people highly evolved we have no way of judging them

> even

> > > the

> > > > > ones

> > > > > > who failed in the normal standards.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > so I am only trying to understand our traditions,

> > values

> > > > with

> > > > > an

> > > > > > OPEN MIND. and still reasoning it with our current

> needs,

> > > > values.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Prashant

> > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bravo!

> > > > > > > We would welcome your posting several birthdata

> > refuting

> > > > this

> > > > > age-

> > > > > > old but not quite corroborated 'notion' to align with

> > your

> > > > bold

> > > > > > statement

> > > > > > > and astrological conviction!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dhanyavaad

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Prashant

> > Kumar

> > > G B

> > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the

> house

> > > he

> > > > is

> > > > > in

> > > > > > or is a malefic etc.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> > DIVINITY

> > > AND

> > > > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

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[Guest guest]

Dear Prashant garu,

Extremely sorry to have added masala to your thread, guess, I should

have replied to Nirmalji, off the thread instead of just replying to

the post.

She sort of sounded forlorn, thought I could pep her up a bit, that

is the best I could do.

Regards

Nalini

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Dear readers Please use the space to debate the main topics in a

thread and some masala all masala and no stuff and retaining my

thread is too much, i except some food for thought not food

>

> May I remind u all the rahu, ketu debate took some1 to condem

Guru as a malefic to which I said it is wrong to implicate guru

from current standards and esp judging rama's chart of a different

Yuga was absard. from rama's Yuga Guru is sure benefic for Kali

Yuga lesser.

>

> ALL CLASSICS TALK OF GURus benine influnece, association but

some NEO-RESEARCHERS FEEL OTHERWISE and still have no material to

prove it that it is a malefic and ridiculed people who supported it

is benefic, as thogh they have deviated from the main rules laid so

far.

>

> when the so called researchers can't find proper case studies

or material to support their claims, still ridicule so plesae

take part init and no masala.

>

> Prashant

>

>

>

> auromirra19 <nalini2818 wrote: Nirmalji,

> Turmeric is a good antisceptic and hing is good for digestion.

> Nirmal ji, my only question was and always is, what is the

meaning

> of that magic word *happiness*, illusion- elusive-delusion, I

could

> go on. When in Chennai, an astrologer asked me, Madam, have you

ever

> been happy? I coudnt answer. I then asked myself, yes what is

it?

> have I ever been happy, I need a yardstick to measure it , what

is

> that yardstick. I am still waiting for the answer.This was 16

years

> back, I am still searching. Your cannot find the perfect recipe

for

> happiness, keep experimenting, less this more that, keep doing

it.

> would arrive at a recipe, but what if your taste changes by then.

> coming to terms with *that* is happiness, it is internal. Cant

find

> it in rainbows, swamps, bagh bageeche.Internalise it , it can

never

> flit about like that elusive butterfly. Oh! Sorry, I guess you

asked

> the wrong person

> Regards

> Nalini

> , Nirmal Anand

> <nirdayita@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Naliniji,

> >

> > I was always told my chart was exceptional and yet here I am

> chasing the butterfly of happiness. How many more swamps will it

> lead me through ? :-) The masala analogy is excellent; what do I

do

> when there's an abudance of haldi and hing in my preparation

> though ????? Here's my info:

> >

> > 6.40 am on March 1st, 1977 in Mumbai :-)

> >

> > N

> >

> > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > Now, now , now Nirmalji. If everyone who has the combination

is

> > ruined, where is the fun, the real masala( pardon me for a

> transient

> > irreverance, coudnt resist it) lies in the

> combinations/proportions

> > and portions of the other ingredients. There lies the secret

of

> the

> > recipe- and no dish tastes alike mind you. Btw could never

> > understand how pongal used to taste the same any time any day

in a

> > particular restaurant.

> > best Wishes

> > Nalini

> > , Nirmal Anand

> > <nirdayita@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Gosh, would that mean if I have Guru in my Sukhasthana (4th

> house)

> > and Shani in my Ripusthana (6th house) - I'm doomed????

> > >

> > > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote: Respected Pandit Arjun ji,

> > > Very succinct. It is all in the mind. How we perceive is all

> that

> > > matters. maleficness and benignity are all as a native

perceives

> > > them to be and relative. Sreenadh ji is right when says

planets,

> > no

> > > let me be clear, grahas cannot be branded benefic or

malefic .

> > > Regards

> > > Nalini

> > > , "panditarjun2004"

> > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear sreenadh ji

> > > >

> > > > you wrote:

> > > > "A planet is neither benefic or malefic but only a

> significator

> > or

> > > > several things. And it is wrong to classify a planet as

> benefic

> > or

> > > > malefic."

> > > >

> > > > scientifically, based on astronomy, the above statement is

a

> > FACT

> > > > which none can deny.

> > > >

> > > > however, astrology and mythology (not literally mythical!)

> based

> > > on

> > > > puranas and samhitas teach planets and stars as persons

and

> not

> > > > celestial objects. in mythology chandra is a male and in

> > > astrology

> > > > chandra is a female.

> > > >

> > > > science looks at planets as lifeless objects or a mass or

ball

> > of

> > > > chemicals, gases and other susbtances. mythology looks at

> > planets

> > > > as gods and demons signifying various dispositions

direclty

> > > > affecting all humans.

> > > >

> > > > as you rightly observed, instead of branding a planet as

> benefic

> > > or

> > > > malefic, we shall focus more on their dispositions, for

what

> is

> > > good

> > > > for one is perceived by another as bad. one person sees a

> wife

> > as

> > > > bringing good luck, wealth and material comforts, a

realised

> > > person

> > > > sees a wife as maya and prefer brahmacharyam and

renouncement

> > and

> > > > yet another realised person see direct goddess in her. in

all

> > the

> > > > three cases, jupiter has his own role but perceptions of

the

> > > native

> > > > in receiving the dispositions are different.

> > > >

> > > > with best wishes

> > > > arjun

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "Sreenadh"

<sreelid@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > I know that Ju in Cp being the 6th lord in

Debilitation

> can

> > be

> > > a

> > > > > real malefic as far as married life is concerned. It

becomes

> a

> > > > very

> > > > > strong Stana-Bhava-Graha (Sign-House-Planet) prediction

and

> > the

> > > > > classics supports it with slokas. Jataka Chandrika (also

> known

> > > as

> > > > > Leghu parasari) says that Ju, when placed in a marka

stana

> > (2nd

> > > or

> > > > > 7th house) can cause death if it is a Kendradhipati.

> > > > > Sa, Ma or Su can give very good results when exalted

and

> well

> > > > placed

> > > > > and thus becomes a benefic. After all Benefic means -

A

> > > planet

> > > > > that gives good results and Malefic means - A planet

that

> > gives

> > > > bad

> > > > > results.

> > > > > Should I start a new controversy by stating that "A

planet

> is

> > > > > neither benefic or malefic but only a significator or

> several

> > > > things.

> > > > > And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic or

malefic.

> > What

> > > > is

> > > > > important is understanding the predictions that should

be

> > given

> > > to

> > > > > each combination" ???!! Shall I add some spice to it by

> > stating

> > > > that

> > > > > classifications such as "Benefic x MaleficSustana x

> > Dustana"

> > > > are

> > > > > just descriptive techniques developed to teach the

subject,

> > > which

> > > > > later caused all the troubles and confusions"?!!

> > > > > Yap. I know I have already made the statement!!

> > > > > Now let us modify it, so that the idea becomes clear.

> > > > > Combinations (Yoga) that are used for prediction could

be

> of

> > 7

> > > > > types. The whole astrology uses a 7-fold prediction

system.

> > > > > 1) Sign (Stana Phala :- sign based prediction)

> > > > > For eg :Divisions of signs as Fire, Air etc, Chara,

> > Stira,

> > > > etc.

> > > > > 2) House (Bhava phala :- house based prediction)

> > > > > For eg: If 4th lord is placed in 6th we give some

> > > > predictions.

> > > > > 3) Planet (Graha phala :- planet based prediction)

> > > > > For eg: If Su and Me is together we give some

> prediction.

> > > > > 4) Sign-House (Stana - Bhava :- Sign-House based

> prediction)

> > > > > For eg: If Ge is 3rd house from Asc we give some

> > prediction.

> > > > > 5) Sign-Planet (Stana-Graha :- Sign-Planet based

> prediction)

> > > > > For eg: If Mo is in Tarus we give some prediction.

> > > > > 6) House-Planet (Bhava-Graha :- House-Planet based

> > prediction)

> > > > > For eg: If Me is in 2nd house we give some

prediction.

> > > > > 7) Sign-House-Planet (Stana-Bhava-Graha :- Sign-House-

> Planet

> > > > > prediction)

> > > > > For eg: If (take our above eg.) Ju the 6th lord for

Cn

> > Asc

> > > is

> > > > in

> > > > > Cp then we give some prediction.

> > > > > If we are well aware of this system used by the

Rishis,

> > what

> > > is

> > > > > the purpose and use of concepts like "Benefic x

> > > MalificSustana

> > > > x

> > > > > Dustana"? We just use them in general discussions to

avoid

> > > > details.

> > > > > I hope the point is clear. Should be now again argue

that

> Ju

> > is

> > > > > benefic or Malefic, and Ma is benefic or malefic?? And

still

> > > reach

> > > > no

> > > > > compromise and no conclusion? Let us try to learn and

> > > predict,

> > > > > rather than getting entrapped in such controversies.

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > , "crystal pages"

> > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do not see my role or responsibility here, dear

member,

> to

> > > > > provide

> > > > > > examples to support or refute interesting theories

people

> > come

> > > > up

> > > > > > with :-) It lies squarely on the broad shoulders of

the

> > brave

> > > > > > proponent!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Speaking of clarity in messages to which you and a

couple

> > > others

> > > > > keep

> > > > > > alluding to -- there is that saying about the pot

calling

> > the

> > > > > kettle

> > > > > > black or maybe it is the kettle that calls the pot so -

-

> > > etc. ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Prashant

Kumar G

> B

> > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi RR,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Well it is good to read 2 good mails that can be

read

> > with

> > > > ease

> > > > > > by anyone.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here i felt u wud come up examples galore on Guru

as a

> > > > Malefic

> > > > > or

> > > > > > sign spoiler if this was the accepted or pouplar

norm, I

> > > still

> > > > > leave

> > > > > > the field open for u and any1 who belives so to put

such

> > > charts

> > > > on

> > > > > > the forum easy to handle that.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If it is about it not being a malefic I am sure

many

> > will

> > > > chip

> > > > > in

> > > > > > I will do my part ASAP..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bottom line if Guru is a benific their lives may

not

> be

> > as

> > > > > > interesting to read as Bill Gates, Marlyn Manro,

Dhribhai

> > > > Ambani,

> > > > > > Michel Jackson, Laloo Prsad Yadav etc.

> > > > > > > u can see a Lal Bahudur Shastry, Manmohan Singh

type

> > > people

> > > > in

> > > > > > it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > PRASHANT

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So that clarity does not get watered down. I was

taken

> by

> > > > your

> > > > > > strong statement of conviction that opposed

the "notions"

> > > that

> > > > > > astrologers have, namely that jupiter destroys the

house

> it

> > is

> > > > in

> > > > > or

> > > > > > can be a malefic.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The strong statement from you made me assume,

> naturally,

> > > > that

> > > > > > your conviction was born out of having seen strong

> evidence

> > > in

> > > > > > charts and

> > > > > > > which you may wish to share so that we can see

your

> > > > statement

> > > > > > illustrated. As a general statement, please note that

this

> > was

> > > a

> > > > > > simple request which need not get anyone on the

> defensive,

> > > etc.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hope that was clear and not too painful to figure

> out :-

> > )

> > > > And

> > > > > > clarity was the sole reason for my focusing only on

one

> > > segment

> > > > of

> > > > > > your longer post.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Prashant

> Kumar

> > G

> > > B

> > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > HiRR,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > pretty fast though.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > well i assume u mean that it is a malefic and

not

> > may

> > > > > > examples of

> > > > > > > it beingbenific right?

> > > > > > > > I said it is benefic in past Yogas and in

present

> if

> > u

> > > r

> > > > > > prepared

> > > > > > > to wait till it delivers, and also if one remain

> > honest,

> > > > > > selfless,

> > > > > > > as human as possible

> > > > > > > > not possibe in the commercial, materialsitic

world

> > we

> > > r

> > > > > in,

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > the varoiuos exaples I said if we don't bribe...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > if u find unseccessful people by which i mean

one

> > how

> > > > has

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > made a fortune, u can pick his Guru for it.

> > > > > > > > for people who succed by hook or crook GURU is

a

> > pure

> > > > > > malefic,

> > > > > > > not sure if I have to repeat it again or with

charts

> > sure

> > > > will

> > > > > > then

> > > > > > > some moderator will say no personal charts,

openions

> if

> > u

> > > > > allow

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > can put them accross. SURE.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > anyway am happy u clipped some part of the

mail

> and

> > > > wrote

> > > > > > back

> > > > > > > else would be in circles on what u meant.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > any way for record sake my paternal

grandfather

> was

> > an

> > > > > > atheist,

> > > > > > > my father is a rationalist, and I can say I AM

MIiX

> of

> > > > > > > rationalst+traditionalist but know our forefathers

r

> far

> > > > > better

> > > > > > > people highly evolved we have no way of judging

them

> > even

> > > > the

> > > > > > ones

> > > > > > > who failed in the normal standards.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > so I am only trying to understand our

traditions,

> > > values

> > > > > with

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > OPEN MIND. and still reasoning it with our

current

> > needs,

> > > > > values.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Prashant

> > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

Prashant,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bravo!

> > > > > > > > We would welcome your posting several birthdata

> > > refuting

> > > > > this

> > > > > > age-

> > > > > > > old but not quite corroborated 'notion' to align

with

> > > your

> > > > > bold

> > > > > > > statement

> > > > > > > > and astrological conviction!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dhanyavaad

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ,

Prashant

> > > Kumar

> > > > G B

> > > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

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the

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> > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

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> > > > AND

> > > > > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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