Jupiter doen't destroy the house/sign it is in, in a natal chart 2/4- part 4

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Hi RR,

 

I will give exapmples rure,y from next mail and waht I have to say is

alreeady said by classics max is current day people and some adaptations to

their currenlt lives

 

I did not meanAishwawtya is not worht of Jupters aspect like L B shastry

i meant LB SHASTRY WAS throughot same, simple honest no riches or stardom.

 

Aishwarya we know is a star and if her Guru dasa as u said due is to come can

see her do philantropic activites in that period.TILLT HEN ITIS A MATERIALIST

streak we see and know of her.

 

and i only meant by some words in CAPS to highlight it not shout as is the

norm in the NET jargon.

 

but am surprised still people r talking around the tpoic but the main points

i raised at least u picked a hole and set it on others r yet to do it and r

reacting to just one part of my whole mail.

 

and like u observed what is said here is not gospel and must not be said

either in such detail where the knowledge can be misused by novices.

 

SO I MAY MAX quote a sloka, chapter in some books to support it. some of my

works r from NN Krishna rao who dedicated them to Sivananda Ashram not for

sale. my guru was his shishya and so we share the value nothing is left open

for people to misue/qupte serious readers r welcome 1 to 1

once a level of trust, mutual respect is there

 

Prashant

 

crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: Thanks for the long and

winding message!

 

I don't see how you are misreading in my simple request for an illustrative

chart a CHALLENGE and that too in uppercase.Why do you take things so

personally or is it because I asked it?

 

When someone makes a statement, the onus naturally falls on them to show that

what they are saying shows up in charts. People should not take anything posted

as gospel. This is how jyotish got into the

trouble it is in, in the first place. Too many claims and statements, from

classics onwards, but no illustrative charts or room for discussion or

examination. This 'take it or leave it' attitude is not at all fitting for

anyone, beginner or accomplished individual. Sorry if I am rattling your cage

or of others of like minds and attitudes

but I have as much right to question and challenge statements on a public

forum like this. And, I only respect and admire demonstrated and original

scholarship. I am not here for PR or similar reasons!

 

It is ridiculous to even consider that jupiter will discriminate between

Aishwarya Rai and LB Shastri! Both are creatures born within the framework of

astrology and karma, whether they fit someone's

spiritual framework or other 'isms!

 

RR

 

 

 

 

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Hi RR,

>

> I can start from the bottom part, that my mails r fairly long and

no riddles, jibes, not cryptic assuming there r wider readers who

need not have the same skills as some have in being precise to the

point or coded or implied meanings in short 2-3 lines messages.

>

> Even my chart analysys to most r broken down to simpler language.

>

> NOW THE CHALLAGE WAS THROWN BY YOU and some others who shared

the notion Guru being malefic, spoils the the place, and aspected

houses? which if not proved by you how can we prove the benefic

points if we do will there be no further ridicule just beacuse u

prefer to hide behind a screen and still comment the way u want to.

AND I DID NOT CONTEST CLASSICS OR THE WORD CLASSIC EITHER i went

about in the established order. and also modified Guru to current

context but did not go out of the way to malign it esp earlier Yugas.

>

> our RISHIS WERE FAR ADVANCED SOULS, than we r, so dare not

questionthem, but do modify their rules tothe times we live in.

>

> it was ridicuolous to say Guru being a malefic in RAMA's chart, I

said clearly in earlier Yugas Guru had more +ve role, now it is less

and will decline

>

> IF U FIND Guru benific it is in simple people charts like LB

Shastry or MM SINGH, NOT AISHWARYA'S CHART SURE.

>

> and simple test is people who have guru in lagna or aspectign

lagna r revered.

> in earlier decades by people touching the feet of such people now

may be in current style like the lady inKerala who embraces her

devotees or anyother method

> Mahatma Gandhi, NT Rama rao had such respect.

> Mahatma by his simplistic life got such respect NTR by the Devine

idols he portrayed in films, later did cheap commercial films too

inKetu and Sukra dasas please note.]

>

> if u find some1 in ur family/friends getting more respect it is

Gurus aspect or position in Lagna sure.Guru in 12th a person spends

a lot in charity, philantrophy even if he is snob, a moran in the

society.

> I STILL HAVE THE COURAGE TO PUT UP A CHART as often as I can and

the group permits to prove Guru is good for simple people, not the

materialists.

>

> I hope u can come up with charts and do explain why Guru has

failed

>

> I can give u a simple chart to start V P SINGH, CANCER LAGNA with

Guru in it.

> to prove ur point u can as he doesnt' not fall ineither Mahatma's

or NTRs lot.

>

> Prashant

>

> crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: I do not see my role

or responsibility here, dear member, to provide examples to support

or refute interesting theories people come up with :-) It lies

squarely on the broad shoulders of the brave

> proponent!

>

> Speaking of clarity in messages to which you and a couple others

keep alluding to -- there is that saying about the pot calling the

kettle

> black or maybe it is the kettle that calls the pot so -- etc. ;-)

>

> RR

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi RR,

> >

> > Well it is good to read 2 good mails that can be read with ease

by anyone.

> >

> > Here i felt u wud come up examples galore on Guru as a

Malefic or sign spoiler if this was the accepted or pouplar norm, I

still leave the field open for u and any1 who belives so to put

such charts on the forum easy to handle that.

> >

> > If it is about it not being a malefic I am sure many will

chip in I will do my part ASAP..

> >

> > Bottom line if Guru is a benific their lives may not be as

interesting to read as Bill Gates, Marlyn Manro, Dhribhai Ambani,

Michel Jackson, Laloo Prsad Yadav etc.

> > u can see a Lal Bahudur Shastry, Manmohan Singh type people

in it.

> >

> > PRASHANT

> >

> > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> >

> > So that clarity does not get watered down. I was taken by your

> strong statement of conviction that opposed the "notions" that

> astrologers have, namely that jupiter destroys the house it is in

or

> can be a malefic.

> >

> > The strong statement from you made me assume, naturally, that

> your conviction was born out of having seen strong evidence in

> charts and

> > which you may wish to share so that we can see your

statement

> illustrated. As a general statement, please note that this was a

> simple request which need not get anyone on the defensive, etc.

> >

> > Hope that was clear and not too painful to figure out :-) And

> clarity was the sole reason for my focusing only on one segment

of

> your longer post.

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > HiRR,

> > >

> > > pretty fast though.

> > >

> > > well i assume u mean that it is a malefic and not may

> examples of

> > it beingbenific right?

> > > I said it is benefic in past Yogas and in present if u r

> prepared

> > to wait till it delivers, and also if one remain honest,

> selfless,

> > as human as possible

> > > not possibe in the commercial, materialsitic world we r

in,

> so

> > the varoiuos exaples I said if we don't bribe...

> > >

> > > if u find unseccessful people by which i mean one how has

not

> > made a fortune, u can pick his Guru for it.

> > > for people who succed by hook or crook GURU is a pure

> malefic,

> > not sure if I have to repeat it again or with charts sure

will

> then

> > some moderator will say no personal charts, openions if u

allow

> it

> > can put them accross. SURE.

> > >

> > > anyway am happy u clipped some part of the mail and wrote

> back

> > else would be in circles on what u meant.

> > >

> > >

> > > any way for record sake my paternal grandfather was an

> atheist,

> > my father is a rationalist, and I can say I AM MIiX of

> > rationalst+traditionalist but know our forefathers r far

better

> > people highly evolved we have no way of judging them even the

> ones

> > who failed in the normal standards.

> > >

> > > so I am only trying to understand our traditions, values with an

> > OPEN MIND. and still reasoning it with our current needs, values.

> > >

> > >

> > > Prashant

 

> > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > >

> > > Bravo!

> > > We would welcome your posting several birthdata refuting

this

> age-

> > old but not quite corroborated 'notion' to align with your

bold

> > statement

> > > and astrological conviction!

> > >

> > > Dhanyavaad

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > >

> > > , Prashant Kumar G

B

> > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the house he

is > in

> > or is a malefic etc.

 

 

Prashant

 

 

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