Jupiter does not destroy the house/sign it is in, Debatable Statement

April 2, 2006

Friends,

Jupiter owns two houses and has absolutely contrasting lordships.

Half the time it afeects the bhava it occupies in negetive manner.

Saturn on the other hand increases the bhava he occupies.

Long time back I wrote two papers on this vary subject in VA.

Anyone interested ?

I can repost the same here on request.

Ttavam-Asi

Sreenadh <sreelid wrote:

Dear Friends,

I know that Ju in Cp being the 6th lord in Debilitation can be a

real malefic as far as married life is concerned. It becomes a very

strong Stana-Bhava-Graha (Sign-House-Planet) prediction and the

classics supports it with slokas. Jataka Chandrika (also known as

Leghu parasari) says that Ju, when placed in a marka stana (2nd or

7th house) can cause death if it is a Kendradhipati.

Sa, Ma or Su can give very good results when exalted and well placed

and thus becomes a benefic. After all Benefic means - A planet

that gives good results and Malefic means - A planet that gives bad

results.

Should I start a new controversy by stating that "A planet is

neither benefic or malefic but only a significator or several things.

And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic or malefic. What is

important is understanding the predictions that should be given to

each combination" ???!! Shall I add some spice to it by stating that

classifications such as "Benefic x MaleficSustana x Dustana" are

just descriptive techniques developed to teach the subject, which

later caused all the troubles and confusions"?!!

Yap. I know I have already made the statement!!

Now let us modify it, so that the idea becomes clear.

Combinations (Yoga) that are used for prediction could be of 7

types. The whole astrology uses a 7-fold prediction system.

1) Sign (Stana Phala :- sign based prediction)

For eg :Divisions of signs as Fire, Air etc, Chara, Stira, etc.

2) House (Bhava phala :- house based prediction)

For eg: If 4th lord is placed in 6th we give some predictions.

3) Planet (Graha phala :- planet based prediction)

For eg: If Su and Me is together we give some prediction.

4) Sign-House (Stana - Bhava :- Sign-House based prediction)

For eg: If Ge is 3rd house from Asc we give some prediction.

5) Sign-Planet (Stana-Graha :- Sign-Planet based prediction)

For eg: If Mo is in Tarus we give some prediction.

6) House-Planet (Bhava-Graha :- House-Planet based prediction)

For eg: If Me is in 2nd house we give some prediction.

7) Sign-House-Planet (Stana-Bhava-Graha :- Sign-House-Planet

prediction)

For eg: If (take our above eg.) Ju the 6th lord for Cn Asc is in

Cp then we give some prediction.

If we are well aware of this system used by the Rishis, what is

the purpose and use of concepts like "Benefic x MalificSustana x

Dustana"? We just use them in general discussions to avoid details.

I hope the point is clear. Should be now again argue that Ju is

benefic or Malefic, and Ma is benefic or malefic?? And still reach no

compromise and no conclusion? Let us try to learn and predict,

rather than getting entrapped in such controversies.

Love,

Sreenadh

, "crystal pages"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> I do not see my role or responsibility here, dear member, to

provide

> examples to support or refute interesting theories people come up

> with :-) It lies squarely on the broad shoulders of the brave

> proponent!

>

> Speaking of clarity in messages to which you and a couple others

keep

> alluding to -- there is that saying about the pot calling the

kettle

> black or maybe it is the kettle that calls the pot so -- etc. ;-)

>

> RR

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi RR,

> >

> > Well it is good to read 2 good mails that can be read with ease

> by anyone.

> >

> > Here i felt u wud come up examples galore on Guru as a Malefic

or

> sign spoiler if this was the accepted or pouplar norm, I still

leave

> the field open for u and any1 who belives so to put such charts on

> the forum easy to handle that.

> >

> > If it is about it not being a malefic I am sure many will chip

in

> I will do my part ASAP..

> >

> > Bottom line if Guru is a benific their lives may not be as

> interesting to read as Bill Gates, Marlyn Manro, Dhribhai Ambani,

> Michel Jackson, Laloo Prsad Yadav etc.

> > u can see a Lal Bahudur Shastry, Manmohan Singh type people in

> it.

> >

> > PRASHANT

> >

> > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> >

> > So that clarity does not get watered down. I was taken by your

> strong statement of conviction that opposed the "notions" that

> astrologers have, namely that jupiter destroys the house it is in

or

> can be a malefic.

> >

> > The strong statement from you made me assume, naturally, that

> your conviction was born out of having seen strong evidence in

> charts and

> > which you may wish to share so that we can see your statement

> illustrated. As a general statement, please note that this was a

> simple request which need not get anyone on the defensive, etc.

> >

> > Hope that was clear and not too painful to figure out :-) And

> clarity was the sole reason for my focusing only on one segment of

> your longer post.

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > HiRR,

> > >

> > > pretty fast though.

> > >

> > > well i assume u mean that it is a malefic and not may

> examples of

> > it beingbenific right?

> > > I said it is benefic in past Yogas and in present if u r

> prepared

> > to wait till it delivers, and also if one remain honest,

> selfless,

> > as human as possible

> > > not possibe in the commercial, materialsitic world we r

in,

> so

> > the varoiuos exaples I said if we don't bribe...

> > >

> > > if u find unseccessful people by which i mean one how has

not

> > made a fortune, u can pick his Guru for it.

> > > for people who succed by hook or crook GURU is a pure

> malefic,

> > not sure if I have to repeat it again or with charts sure will

> then

> > some moderator will say no personal charts, openions if u

allow

> it

> > can put them accross. SURE.

> > >

> > > anyway am happy u clipped some part of the mail and wrote

> back

> > else would be in circles on what u meant.

> > >

> > > any way for record sake my paternal grandfather was an

> atheist,

> > my father is a rationalist, and I can say I AM MIiX of

> > rationalst+traditionalist but know our forefathers r far

better

> > people highly evolved we have no way of judging them even the

> ones

> > who failed in the normal standards.

> > >

> > > so I am only trying to understand our traditions, values

with

> an

> > OPEN MIND. and still reasoning it with our current needs,

values.

> > >

> > > Prashant

> > > prashant

> > >

> > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > >

> > > Bravo!

> > > We would welcome your posting several birthdata refuting

this

> age-

> > old but not quite corroborated 'notion' to align with your

bold

> > statement

> > > and astrological conviction!

> > >

> > > Dhanyavaad

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the house he

is

> in

> > or is a malefic etc.

> > >

> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > >

> > > Vedic

> > astrology Astrology

> > chart Astrology

> >

>

software

>

> >

> > >

> > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > >

> > > Terms

of

> > Service.

> > >

> > > Prashant

> > >

> > > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls

> using

> > Messenger with Voice.

> > >

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

> > Visit your group "" on the web.

> >

> > Terms of

> Service.

> >

> > Prashant

> >

> > How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone

> call rates.

> >

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF

ABSOLUTE BLISS.

Visit your group "" on the web.

New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big.

April 2, 2006

Please do! My request would be to post it to the files library so

that it can be referred to in future. If you post these as messages,

due to the arcane and unwieldy search tools of forums, it would

be difficult to find it later on if one so desires.

Thanks

RR

, Tatvamasi <om_tatsat_om

wrote:

>

> Friends,

>

> Jupiter owns two houses and has absolutely contrasting lordships.

> Half the time it afeects the bhava it occupies in negetive manner.

> Saturn on the other hand increases the bhava he occupies.

> Long time back I wrote two papers on this vary subject in VA.

> Anyone interested ?

> I can repost the same here on request.

>

> Ttavam-Asi

>

> Sreenadh <sreelid wrote:

> Dear Friends,

> I know that Ju in Cp being the 6th lord in Debilitation can be a

> real malefic as far as married life is concerned. It becomes a very

> strong Stana-Bhava-Graha (Sign-House-Planet) prediction and the

> classics supports it with slokas. Jataka Chandrika (also known as

> Leghu parasari) says that Ju, when placed in a marka stana (2nd or

> 7th house) can cause death if it is a Kendradhipati.

> Sa, Ma or Su can give very good results when exalted and well

placed

> and thus becomes a benefic. After all Benefic means - A planet

> that gives good results and Malefic means - A planet that gives bad

> results.

> Should I start a new controversy by stating that "A planet is

> neither benefic or malefic but only a significator or several

things.

> And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic or malefic. What is

> important is understanding the predictions that should be given to

> each combination" ???!! Shall I add some spice to it by stating

that

> classifications such as "Benefic x MaleficSustana x Dustana" are

> just descriptive techniques developed to teach the subject, which

> later caused all the troubles and confusions"?!!

> Yap. I know I have already made the statement!!

> Now let us modify it, so that the idea becomes clear.

> Combinations (Yoga) that are used for prediction could be of 7

> types. The whole astrology uses a 7-fold prediction system.

> 1) Sign (Stana Phala :- sign based prediction)

> For eg :Divisions of signs as Fire, Air etc, Chara, Stira, etc.

> 2) House (Bhava phala :- house based prediction)

> For eg: If 4th lord is placed in 6th we give some predictions.

> 3) Planet (Graha phala :- planet based prediction)

> For eg: If Su and Me is together we give some prediction.

> 4) Sign-House (Stana - Bhava :- Sign-House based prediction)

> For eg: If Ge is 3rd house from Asc we give some prediction.

> 5) Sign-Planet (Stana-Graha :- Sign-Planet based prediction)

> For eg: If Mo is in Tarus we give some prediction.

> 6) House-Planet (Bhava-Graha :- House-Planet based prediction)

> For eg: If Me is in 2nd house we give some prediction.

> 7) Sign-House-Planet (Stana-Bhava-Graha :- Sign-House-Planet

> prediction)

> For eg: If (take our above eg.) Ju the 6th lord for Cn Asc is

in

> Cp then we give some prediction.

> If we are well aware of this system used by the Rishis, what is

> the purpose and use of concepts like "Benefic x MalificSustana x

> Dustana"? We just use them in general discussions to avoid

details.

> I hope the point is clear. Should be now again argue that Ju is

> benefic or Malefic, and Ma is benefic or malefic?? And still reach

no

> compromise and no conclusion? Let us try to learn and predict,

> rather than getting entrapped in such controversies.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , "crystal pages"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > I do not see my role or responsibility here, dear member, to

> provide

> > examples to support or refute interesting theories people come up

> > with :-) It lies squarely on the broad shoulders of the brave

> > proponent!

> >

> > Speaking of clarity in messages to which you and a couple others

> keep

> > alluding to -- there is that saying about the pot calling the

> kettle

> > black or maybe it is the kettle that calls the pot so -- etc. ;-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi RR,

> > >

> > > Well it is good to read 2 good mails that can be read with

ease

> > by anyone.

> > >

> > > Here i felt u wud come up examples galore on Guru as a

Malefic

> or

> > sign spoiler if this was the accepted or pouplar norm, I still

> leave

> > the field open for u and any1 who belives so to put such charts

on

> > the forum easy to handle that.

> > >

> > > If it is about it not being a malefic I am sure many will

chip

> in

> > I will do my part ASAP..

> > >

> > > Bottom line if Guru is a benific their lives may not be as

> > interesting to read as Bill Gates, Marlyn Manro, Dhribhai

Ambani,

> > Michel Jackson, Laloo Prsad Yadav etc.

> > > u can see a Lal Bahudur Shastry, Manmohan Singh type people

in

> > it.

> > >

> > > PRASHANT

> > >

> > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > >

> > > So that clarity does not get watered down. I was taken by your

> > strong statement of conviction that opposed the "notions" that

> > astrologers have, namely that jupiter destroys the house it is in

> or

> > can be a malefic.

> > >

> > > The strong statement from you made me assume, naturally, that

> > your conviction was born out of having seen strong evidence in

> > charts and

> > > which you may wish to share so that we can see your

statement

> > illustrated. As a general statement, please note that this was a

> > simple request which need not get anyone on the defensive, etc.

> > >

> > > Hope that was clear and not too painful to figure out :-) And

> > clarity was the sole reason for my focusing only on one segment

of

> > your longer post.

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > HiRR,

> > > >

> > > > pretty fast though.

> > > >

> > > > well i assume u mean that it is a malefic and not may

> > examples of

> > > it beingbenific right?

> > > > I said it is benefic in past Yogas and in present if u r

> > prepared

> > > to wait till it delivers, and also if one remain honest,

> > selfless,

> > > as human as possible

> > > > not possibe in the commercial, materialsitic world we r

> in,

> > so

> > > the varoiuos exaples I said if we don't bribe...

> > > >

> > > > if u find unseccessful people by which i mean one how has

> not

> > > made a fortune, u can pick his Guru for it.

> > > > for people who succed by hook or crook GURU is a pure

> > malefic,

> > > not sure if I have to repeat it again or with charts sure

will

> > then

> > > some moderator will say no personal charts, openions if u

> allow

> > it

> > > can put them accross. SURE.

> > > >

> > > > anyway am happy u clipped some part of the mail and wrote

> > back

> > > else would be in circles on what u meant.

> > > >

> > > > any way for record sake my paternal grandfather was an

> > atheist,

> > > my father is a rationalist, and I can say I AM MIiX of

> > > rationalst+traditionalist but know our forefathers r far

> better

> > > people highly evolved we have no way of judging them even the

> > ones

> > > who failed in the normal standards.

> > > >

> > > > so I am only trying to understand our traditions, values

> with

> > an

> > > OPEN MIND. and still reasoning it with our current needs,

> values.

> > > >

> > > > Prashant

> > > > prashant

> > > >

> > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > >

> > > > Bravo!

> > > > We would welcome your posting several birthdata refuting

> this

> > age-

> > > old but not quite corroborated 'notion' to align with your

> bold

> > > statement

> > > > and astrological conviction!

> > > >

> > > > Dhanyavaad

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , Prashant Kumar G

B

> > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the house he

> is

> > in

> > > or is a malefic etc.

> > > >

> > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY

AND

> > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > >

Vedic

> > > astrology Astrology

> > > chart Astrology

> > >

> >

>

software

> >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > > >

Terms

> of

> > > Service.

> > > >

> > > > Prashant

> > > >

> > > > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls

> > using

> > > Messenger with Voice.

> > > >

> > >

> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > >

> > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > >

> > > Terms of

> > Service.

> > >

> > > Prashant

> > >

> > > How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-

Phone

> > call rates.

> > >

> >

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH

THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

> Visit your group "" on the web.

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

> New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC

and save big.

>

April 2, 2006

, Tatvamasi

<om_tatsat_om wrote:

>

> Friends,

>

> Jupiter owns two houses and has absolutely contrasting lordships.

> Half the time it afeects the bhava it occupies in negetive

manner.

> Saturn on the other hand increases the bhava he occupies.

> Long time back I wrote two papers on this vary subject in VA.

> Anyone interested ?

> I can repost the same here on request.

>

> Ttavam-Asi

>

> Sreenadh <sreelid wrote:

> Dear Friends,

> I know that Ju in Cp being the 6th lord in Debilitation can be a

> real malefic as far as married life is concerned. It becomes a

very

> strong Stana-Bhava-Graha (Sign-House-Planet) prediction and the

> classics supports it with slokas. Jataka Chandrika (also known as

> Leghu parasari) says that Ju, when placed in a marka stana (2nd or

> 7th house) can cause death if it is a Kendradhipati.

> Sa, Ma or Su can give very good results when exalted and well

placed

> and thus becomes a benefic. After all Benefic means - A planet

> that gives good results and Malefic means - A planet that gives

bad

> results.

> Should I start a new controversy by stating that "A planet is

> neither benefic or malefic but only a significator or several

things.

> And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic or malefic. What

is

> important is understanding the predictions that should be given to

> each combination" ???!! Shall I add some spice to it by stating

that

> classifications such as "Benefic x MaleficSustana x Dustana"

are

> just descriptive techniques developed to teach the subject, which

> later caused all the troubles and confusions"?!!

> Yap. I know I have already made the statement!!

> Now let us modify it, so that the idea becomes clear.

> Combinations (Yoga) that are used for prediction could be of 7

> types. The whole astrology uses a 7-fold prediction system.

> 1) Sign (Stana Phala :- sign based prediction)

> For eg :Divisions of signs as Fire, Air etc, Chara, Stira,

etc.

> 2) House (Bhava phala :- house based prediction)

> For eg: If 4th lord is placed in 6th we give some

predictions.

> 3) Planet (Graha phala :- planet based prediction)

> For eg: If Su and Me is together we give some prediction.

> 4) Sign-House (Stana - Bhava :- Sign-House based prediction)

> For eg: If Ge is 3rd house from Asc we give some prediction.

> 5) Sign-Planet (Stana-Graha :- Sign-Planet based prediction)

> For eg: If Mo is in Tarus we give some prediction.

> 6) House-Planet (Bhava-Graha :- House-Planet based prediction)

> For eg: If Me is in 2nd house we give some prediction.

> 7) Sign-House-Planet (Stana-Bhava-Graha :- Sign-House-Planet

> prediction)

> For eg: If (take our above eg.) Ju the 6th lord for Cn Asc is

in

> Cp then we give some prediction.

> If we are well aware of this system used by the Rishis, what is

> the purpose and use of concepts like "Benefic x MalificSustana

x

> Dustana"? We just use them in general discussions to avoid

details.

> I hope the point is clear. Should be now again argue that Ju is

> benefic or Malefic, and Ma is benefic or malefic?? And still reach

no

> compromise and no conclusion? Let us try to learn and predict,

> rather than getting entrapped in such controversies.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , "crystal pages"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > I do not see my role or responsibility here, dear member, to

> provide

> > examples to support or refute interesting theories people come

up

> > with :-) It lies squarely on the broad shoulders of the brave

> > proponent!

> >

> > Speaking of clarity in messages to which you and a couple others

> keep

> > alluding to -- there is that saying about the pot calling the

> kettle

> > black or maybe it is the kettle that calls the pot so -- etc. ;-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi RR,

> > >

> > > Well it is good to read 2 good mails that can be read with

ease

> > by anyone.

> > >

> > > Here i felt u wud come up examples galore on Guru as a

Malefic

> or

> > sign spoiler if this was the accepted or pouplar norm, I still

> leave

> > the field open for u and any1 who belives so to put such charts

on

> > the forum easy to handle that.

> > >

> > > If it is about it not being a malefic I am sure many will

chip

> in

> > I will do my part ASAP..

> > >

> > > Bottom line if Guru is a benific their lives may not be as

> > interesting to read as Bill Gates, Marlyn Manro, Dhribhai

Ambani,

> > Michel Jackson, Laloo Prsad Yadav etc.

> > > u can see a Lal Bahudur Shastry, Manmohan Singh type people

in

> > it.

> > >

> > > PRASHANT

> > >

> > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > >

> > > So that clarity does not get watered down. I was taken by

your

> > strong statement of conviction that opposed the "notions" that

> > astrologers have, namely that jupiter destroys the house it is

in

> or

> > can be a malefic.

> > >

> > > The strong statement from you made me assume, naturally,

that

> > your conviction was born out of having seen strong evidence in

> > charts and

> > > which you may wish to share so that we can see your

statement

> > illustrated. As a general statement, please note that this was a

> > simple request which need not get anyone on the defensive, etc.

> > >

> > > Hope that was clear and not too painful to figure out :-)

And

> > clarity was the sole reason for my focusing only on one segment

of

> > your longer post.

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > HiRR,

> > > >

> > > > pretty fast though.

> > > >

> > > > well i assume u mean that it is a malefic and not may

> > examples of

> > > it beingbenific right?

> > > > I said it is benefic in past Yogas and in present if u r

> > prepared

> > > to wait till it delivers, and also if one remain honest,

> > selfless,

> > > as human as possible

> > > > not possibe in the commercial, materialsitic world we r

> in,

> > so

> > > the varoiuos exaples I said if we don't bribe...

> > > >

> > > > if u find unseccessful people by which i mean one how

has

> not

> > > made a fortune, u can pick his Guru for it.

> > > > for people who succed by hook or crook GURU is a pure

> > malefic,

> > > not sure if I have to repeat it again or with charts sure

will

> > then

> > > some moderator will say no personal charts, openions if u

> allow

> > it

> > > can put them accross. SURE.

> > > >

> > > > anyway am happy u clipped some part of the mail and

wrote

> > back

> > > else would be in circles on what u meant.

> > > >

> > > > any way for record sake my paternal grandfather was an

> > atheist,

> > > my father is a rationalist, and I can say I AM MIiX of

> > > rationalst+traditionalist but know our forefathers r far

> better

> > > people highly evolved we have no way of judging them even

the

> > ones

> > > who failed in the normal standards.

> > > >

> > > > so I am only trying to understand our traditions, values

> with

> > an

> > > OPEN MIND. and still reasoning it with our current needs,

> values.

> > > >

> > > > Prashant

> > > > prashant

> > > >

> > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > >

> > > > Bravo!

> > > > We would welcome your posting several birthdata refuting

> this

> > age-

> > > old but not quite corroborated 'notion' to align with your

> bold

> > > statement

> > > > and astrological conviction!

> > > >

> > > > Dhanyavaad

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , Prashant Kumar

G B

> > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the house

he

> is

> > in

> > > or is a malefic etc.

> > > >

> > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY

AND

> > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > >

Vedic

> > > astrology

Astrology

> > > chart Astrology

> > >

> >

>

software

> >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > > >

Terms

> of

> > > Service.

> > > >

> > > > Prashant

> > > >

> > > > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls

> > using

> > > Messenger with Voice.

> > > >

> > >

> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > >

> > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > >

> > > Terms

of

> > Service.

> > >

> > > Prashant

> > >

> > > How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-

Phone

> > call rates.

> > >

> >

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH

THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

> Visit your group "" on the web.

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

> New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC

and save big.

>

>PLEASE FORWARD UR VALUED PAPER ON THE SUBJECT

April 2, 2006

Hi Ramesh,

u can either quote the date or repost it here or post to me direct no issue

at gbp_kumar

before that please read my postings and add ur comments to it.

every planet, or values is time based and we have to view anyting w.r.t that

period not mix Rama with Kail yuga standards.

Prashant

rameshchojha <rameshchojha wrote: --- In

, Tatvamasi

<om_tatsat_om wrote:

>

> Friends,

>

> Jupiter owns two houses and has absolutely contrasting lordships.

> Half the time it afeects the bhava it occupies in negetive

manner.

> Saturn on the other hand increases the bhava he occupies.

> Long time back I wrote two papers on this vary subject in VA.

> Anyone interested ?

> I can repost the same here on request.

>

> Ttavam-Asi

>

> Sreenadh <sreelid wrote:

> Dear Friends,

> I know that Ju in Cp being the 6th lord in Debilitation can be a

> real malefic as far as married life is concerned. It becomes a

very

> strong Stana-Bhava-Graha (Sign-House-Planet) prediction and the

> classics supports it with slokas. Jataka Chandrika (also known as

> Leghu parasari) says that Ju, when placed in a marka stana (2nd or

> 7th house) can cause death if it is a Kendradhipati.

> Sa, Ma or Su can give very good results when exalted and well

placed

> and thus becomes a benefic. After all Benefic means - A planet

> that gives good results and Malefic means - A planet that gives

bad

> results.

> Should I start a new controversy by stating that "A planet is

> neither benefic or malefic but only a significator or several

things.

> And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic or malefic. What

is

> important is understanding the predictions that should be given to

> each combination" ???!! Shall I add some spice to it by stating

that

> classifications such as "Benefic x MaleficSustana x Dustana"

are

> just descriptive techniques developed to teach the subject, which

> later caused all the troubles and confusions"?!!

> Yap. I know I have already made the statement!!

> Now let us modify it, so that the idea becomes clear.

> Combinations (Yoga) that are used for prediction could be of 7

> types. The whole astrology uses a 7-fold prediction system.

> 1) Sign (Stana Phala :- sign based prediction)

> For eg :Divisions of signs as Fire, Air etc, Chara, Stira,

etc.

> 2) House (Bhava phala :- house based prediction)

> For eg: If 4th lord is placed in 6th we give some

predictions.

> 3) Planet (Graha phala :- planet based prediction)

> For eg: If Su and Me is together we give some prediction.

> 4) Sign-House (Stana - Bhava :- Sign-House based prediction)

> For eg: If Ge is 3rd house from Asc we give some prediction.

> 5) Sign-Planet (Stana-Graha :- Sign-Planet based prediction)

> For eg: If Mo is in Tarus we give some prediction.

> 6) House-Planet (Bhava-Graha :- House-Planet based prediction)

> For eg: If Me is in 2nd house we give some prediction.

> 7) Sign-House-Planet (Stana-Bhava-Graha :- Sign-House-Planet

> prediction)

> For eg: If (take our above eg.) Ju the 6th lord for Cn Asc is

in

> Cp then we give some prediction.

> If we are well aware of this system used by the Rishis, what is

> the purpose and use of concepts like "Benefic x MalificSustana

x

> Dustana"? We just use them in general discussions to avoid

details.

> I hope the point is clear. Should be now again argue that Ju is

> benefic or Malefic, and Ma is benefic or malefic?? And still reach

no

> compromise and no conclusion? Let us try to learn and predict,

> rather than getting entrapped in such controversies.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , "crystal pages"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > I do not see my role or responsibility here, dear member, to

> provide

> > examples to support or refute interesting theories people come

up

> > with :-) It lies squarely on the broad shoulders of the brave

> > proponent!

> >

> > Speaking of clarity in messages to which you and a couple others

> keep

> > alluding to -- there is that saying about the pot calling the

> kettle

> > black or maybe it is the kettle that calls the pot so -- etc. ;-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi RR,

> > >

> > > Well it is good to read 2 good mails that can be read with

ease

> > by anyone.

> > >

> > > Here i felt u wud come up examples galore on Guru as a

Malefic

> or

> > sign spoiler if this was the accepted or pouplar norm, I still

> leave

> > the field open for u and any1 who belives so to put such charts

on

> > the forum easy to handle that.

> > >

> > > If it is about it not being a malefic I am sure many will

chip

> in

> > I will do my part ASAP..

> > >

> > > Bottom line if Guru is a benific their lives may not be as

> > interesting to read as Bill Gates, Marlyn Manro, Dhribhai

Ambani,

> > Michel Jackson, Laloo Prsad Yadav etc.

> > > u can see a Lal Bahudur Shastry, Manmohan Singh type people

in

> > it.

> > >

> > > PRASHANT

> > >

> > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > >

> > > So that clarity does not get watered down. I was taken by

your

> > strong statement of conviction that opposed the "notions" that

> > astrologers have, namely that jupiter destroys the house it is

in

> or

> > can be a malefic.

> > >

> > > The strong statement from you made me assume, naturally,

that

> > your conviction was born out of having seen strong evidence in

> > charts and

> > > which you may wish to share so that we can see your

statement

> > illustrated. As a general statement, please note that this was a

> > simple request which need not get anyone on the defensive, etc.

> > >

> > > Hope that was clear and not too painful to figure out :-)

And

> > clarity was the sole reason for my focusing only on one segment

of

> > your longer post.

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > HiRR,

> > > >

> > > > pretty fast though.

> > > >

> > > > well i assume u mean that it is a malefic and not may

> > examples of

> > > it beingbenific right?

> > > > I said it is benefic in past Yogas and in present if u r

> > prepared

> > > to wait till it delivers, and also if one remain honest,

> > selfless,

> > > as human as possible

> > > > not possibe in the commercial, materialsitic world we r

> in,

> > so

> > > the varoiuos exaples I said if we don't bribe...

> > > >

> > > > if u find unseccessful people by which i mean one how

has

> not

> > > made a fortune, u can pick his Guru for it.

> > > > for people who succed by hook or crook GURU is a pure

> > malefic,

> > > not sure if I have to repeat it again or with charts sure

will

> > then

> > > some moderator will say no personal charts, openions if u

> allow

> > it

> > > can put them accross. SURE.

> > > >

> > > > anyway am happy u clipped some part of the mail and

wrote

> > back

> > > else would be in circles on what u meant.

> > > >

> > > > any way for record sake my paternal grandfather was an

> > atheist,

> > > my father is a rationalist, and I can say I AM MIiX of

> > > rationalst+traditionalist but know our forefathers r far

> better

> > > people highly evolved we have no way of judging them even

the

> > ones

> > > who failed in the normal standards.

> > > >

> > > > so I am only trying to understand our traditions, values

> with

> > an

> > > OPEN MIND. and still reasoning it with our current needs,

> values.

> > > >

> > > > Prashant

> > > > prashant

> > > >

> > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > >

> > > > Bravo!

> > > > We would welcome your posting several birthdata refuting

> this

> > age-

> > > old but not quite corroborated 'notion' to align with your

> bold

> > > statement

> > > > and astrological conviction!

> > > >

> > > > Dhanyavaad

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , Prashant Kumar

G B

> > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the house

he

> is

> > in

> > > or is a malefic etc.

> > > >

> > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY

AND

> > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > >

Vedic

> > > astrology

Astrology

> > > chart Astrology

> > >

> >

>

software

> >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > > >

Terms

> of

> > > Service.

> > > >

> > > > Prashant

> > > >

> > > > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls

> > using

> > > Messenger with Voice.

> > > >

> > >

> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > >

> > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > >

> > > Terms

of

> > Service.

> > >

> > > Prashant

> > >

> > > How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-

Phone

> > call rates.

> > >

> >

>

> SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH

THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

> Visit your group "" on the web.

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

> New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC

and save big.

>

>PLEASE FORWARD UR VALUED PAPER ON THE SUBJECT

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE

OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

Vedic astrology

Astrology chart Astrology software

Visit your group "" on the web.

Prashant

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April 2, 2006

yes, sure plz repost it for the benefit of all one and all

regards

Tatvamasi <om_tatsat_om wrote:

Friends,

Jupiter owns two houses and has absolutely contrasting lordships.

Half the time it afeects the bhava it occupies in negetive manner.

Saturn on the other hand increases the bhava he occupies.

Long time back I wrote two papers on this vary subject in VA.

Anyone interested ?

I can repost the same here on request.

Ttavam-Asi

Sreenadh <sreelid wrote:

Dear Friends,

I know that Ju in Cp being the 6th lord in Debilitation can be a

real malefic as far as married life is concerned. It becomes a very

strong Stana-Bhava-Graha (Sign-House-Planet) prediction and the

classics supports it with slokas. Jataka Chandrika (also known as

Leghu parasari) says that Ju, when placed in a marka stana (2nd or

7th house) can cause death if it is a Kendradhipati.

Sa, Ma or Su can give very good results when exalted and well placed

and thus becomes a benefic. After all Benefic means - A planet

that gives good results and Malefic means - A planet that gives bad

results.

Should I start a new controversy by stating that "A planet is

neither benefic or malefic but only a significator or several things.

And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic or malefic. What is

important is understanding the predictions that should be given to

each combination" ???!! Shall I add some spice to it by stating that

classifications such as "Benefic x MaleficSustana x Dustana" are

just descriptive techniques developed to teach the subject, which

later caused all the troubles and confusions"?!!

Yap. I know I have already made the statement!!

Now let us modify it, so that the idea becomes clear.

Combinations (Yoga) that are used for prediction could be of 7

types. The whole astrology uses a 7-fold prediction system.

1) Sign (Stana Phala :- sign based prediction)

For eg :Divisions of signs as Fire, Air etc, Chara, Stira, etc.

2) House (Bhava phala :- house based prediction)

For eg: If 4th lord is placed in 6th we give some predictions.

3) Planet (Graha phala :- planet based prediction)

For eg: If Su and Me is together we give some prediction.

4) Sign-House (Stana - Bhava :- Sign-House based prediction)

For eg: If Ge is 3rd house from Asc we give some prediction.

5) Sign-Planet (Stana-Graha :- Sign-Planet based prediction)

For eg: If Mo is in Tarus we give some prediction.

6) House-Planet (Bhava-Graha :- House-Planet based prediction)

For eg: If Me is in 2nd house we give some prediction.

7) Sign-House-Planet (Stana-Bhava-Graha :- Sign-House-Planet

prediction)

For eg: If (take our above eg.) Ju the 6th lord for Cn Asc is in

Cp then we give some prediction.

If we are well aware of this system used by the Rishis, what is

the purpose and use of concepts like "Benefic x MalificSustana x

Dustana"? We just use them in general discussions to avoid details.

I hope the point is clear. Should be now again argue that Ju is

benefic or Malefic, and Ma is benefic or malefic?? And still reach no

compromise and no conclusion? Let us try to learn and predict,

rather than getting entrapped in such controversies.

Love,

Sreenadh

, "crystal pages"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> I do not see my role or responsibility here, dear member, to

provide

> examples to support or refute interesting theories people come up

> with :-) It lies squarely on the broad shoulders of the brave

> proponent!

>

> Speaking of clarity in messages to which you and a couple others

keep

> alluding to -- there is that saying about the pot calling the

kettle

> black or maybe it is the kettle that calls the pot so -- etc. ;-)

>

> RR

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi RR,

> >

> > Well it is good to read 2 good mails that can be read with ease

> by anyone.

> >

> > Here i felt u wud come up examples galore on Guru as a Malefic

or

> sign spoiler if this was the accepted or pouplar norm, I still

leave

> the field open for u and any1 who belives so to put such charts on

> the forum easy to handle that.

> >

> > If it is about it not being a malefic I am sure many will chip

in

> I will do my part ASAP..

> >

> > Bottom line if Guru is a benific their lives may not be as

> interesting to read as Bill Gates, Marlyn Manro, Dhribhai Ambani,

> Michel Jackson, Laloo Prsad Yadav etc.

> > u can see a Lal Bahudur Shastry, Manmohan Singh type people in

> it.

> >

> > PRASHANT

> >

> > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> >

> > So that clarity does not get watered down. I was taken by your

> strong statement of conviction that opposed the "notions" that

> astrologers have, namely that jupiter destroys the house it is in

or

> can be a malefic.

> >

> > The strong statement from you made me assume, naturally, that

> your conviction was born out of having seen strong evidence in

> charts and

> > which you may wish to share so that we can see your statement

> illustrated. As a general statement, please note that this was a

> simple request which need not get anyone on the defensive, etc.

> >

> > Hope that was clear and not too painful to figure out :-) And

> clarity was the sole reason for my focusing only on one segment of

> your longer post.

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > HiRR,

> > >

> > > pretty fast though.

> > >

> > > well i assume u mean that it is a malefic and not may

> examples of

> > it beingbenific right?

> > > I said it is benefic in past Yogas and in present if u r

> prepared

> > to wait till it delivers, and also if one remain honest,

> selfless,

> > as human as possible

> > > not possibe in the commercial, materialsitic world we r

in,

> so

> > the varoiuos exaples I said if we don't bribe...

> > >

> > > if u find unseccessful people by which i mean one how has

not

> > made a fortune, u can pick his Guru for it.

> > > for people who succed by hook or crook GURU is a pure

> malefic,

> > not sure if I have to repeat it again or with charts sure will

> then

> > some moderator will say no personal charts, openions if u

allow

> it

> > can put them accross. SURE.

> > >

> > > anyway am happy u clipped some part of the mail and wrote

> back

> > else would be in circles on what u meant.

> > >

> > > any way for record sake my paternal grandfather was an

> atheist,

> > my father is a rationalist, and I can say I AM MIiX of

> > rationalst+traditionalist but know our forefathers r far

better

> > people highly evolved we have no way of judging them even the

> ones

> > who failed in the normal standards.

> > >

> > > so I am only trying to understand our traditions, values

with

> an

> > OPEN MIND. and still reasoning it with our current needs,

values.

> > >

> > > Prashant

> > > prashant

> > >

> > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > >

> > > Bravo!

> > > We would welcome your posting several birthdata refuting

this

> age-

> > old but not quite corroborated 'notion' to align with your

bold

> > statement

> > > and astrological conviction!

> > >

> > > Dhanyavaad

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the house he

is

> in

> > or is a malefic etc.

> > >

> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > >

> > > Vedic

> > astrology Astrology

> > chart Astrology

> >

>

software

>

> >

> > >

> > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > >

> > > Terms

of

> > Service.

> > >

> > > Prashant

> > >

> > > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls

> using

> > Messenger with Voice.

> > >

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

> > Visit your group "" on the web.

> >

> > Terms of

> Service.

> >

> > Prashant

> >

> > How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone

> call rates.

> >

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF

ABSOLUTE BLISS.

Visit your group "" on the web.

New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big.

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF

ABSOLUTE BLISS.

Visit your group "" on the web.

Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using

Messenger with Voice.

April 3, 2006

offcourse we are eager to see ur papers treasure for all of us learners takecare

godbless raj k.

rameshchojha <rameshchojha wrote: --- In

, Tatvamasi

<om_tatsat_om wrote:

>

> Friends,

>

> Jupiter owns two houses and has absolutely contrasting lordships.

> Half the time it afeects the bhava it occupies in negetive

manner.

> Saturn on the other hand increases the bhava he occupies.

> Long time back I wrote two papers on this vary subject in VA.

> Anyone interested ?

> I can repost the same here on request.

>

> Ttavam-Asi

>

> Sreenadh <sreelid wrote:

> Dear Friends,

> I know that Ju in Cp being the 6th lord in Debilitation can be a

> real malefic as far as married life is concerned. It becomes a

very

> strong Stana-Bhava-Graha (Sign-House-Planet) prediction and the

> classics supports it with slokas. Jataka Chandrika (also known as

> Leghu parasari) says that Ju, when placed in a marka stana (2nd or

> 7th house) can cause death if it is a Kendradhipati.

> Sa, Ma or Su can give very good results when exalted and well

placed

> and thus becomes a benefic. After all Benefic means - A planet

> that gives good results and Malefic means - A planet that gives

bad

> results.

> Should I start a new controversy by stating that "A planet is

> neither benefic or malefic but only a significator or several

things.

> And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic or malefic. What

is

> important is understanding the predictions that should be given to

> each combination" ???!! Shall I add some spice to it by stating

that

> classifications such as "Benefic x MaleficSustana x Dustana"

are

> just descriptive techniques developed to teach the subject, which

> later caused all the troubles and confusions"?!!

> Yap. I know I have already made the statement!!

> Now let us modify it, so that the idea becomes clear.

> Combinations (Yoga) that are used for prediction could be of 7

> types. The whole astrology uses a 7-fold prediction system.

> 1) Sign (Stana Phala :- sign based prediction)

> For eg :Divisions of signs as Fire, Air etc, Chara, Stira,

etc.

> 2) House (Bhava phala :- house based prediction)

> For eg: If 4th lord is placed in 6th we give some

predictions.

> 3) Planet (Graha phala :- planet based prediction)

> For eg: If Su and Me is together we give some prediction.

> 4) Sign-House (Stana - Bhava :- Sign-House based prediction)

> For eg: If Ge is 3rd house from Asc we give some prediction.

> 5) Sign-Planet (Stana-Graha :- Sign-Planet based prediction)

> For eg: If Mo is in Tarus we give some prediction.

> 6) House-Planet (Bhava-Graha :- House-Planet based prediction)

> For eg: If Me is in 2nd house we give some prediction.

> 7) Sign-House-Planet (Stana-Bhava-Graha :- Sign-House-Planet

> prediction)

> For eg: If (take our above eg.) Ju the 6th lord for Cn Asc is

in

> Cp then we give some prediction.

> If we are well aware of this system used by the Rishis, what is

> the purpose and use of concepts like "Benefic x MalificSustana

x

> Dustana"? We just use them in general discussions to avoid

details.

> I hope the point is clear. Should be now again argue that Ju is

> benefic or Malefic, and Ma is benefic or malefic?? And still reach

no

> compromise and no conclusion? Let us try to learn and predict,

> rather than getting entrapped in such controversies.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , "crystal pages"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > I do not see my role or responsibility here, dear member, to

> provide

> > examples to support or refute interesting theories people come

up

> > with :-) It lies squarely on the broad shoulders of the brave

> > proponent!

> >

> > Speaking of clarity in messages to which you and a couple others

> keep

> > alluding to -- there is that saying about the pot calling the

> kettle

> > black or maybe it is the kettle that calls the pot so -- etc. ;-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi RR,

> > >

> > > Well it is good to read 2 good mails that can be read with

ease

> > by anyone.

> > >

> > > Here i felt u wud come up examples galore on Guru as a

Malefic

> or

> > sign spoiler if this was the accepted or pouplar norm, I still

> leave

> > the field open for u and any1 who belives so to put such charts

on

> > the forum easy to handle that.

> > >

> > > If it is about it not being a malefic I am sure many will

chip

> in

> > I will do my part ASAP..

> > >

> > > Bottom line if Guru is a benific their lives may not be as

> > interesting to read as Bill Gates, Marlyn Manro, Dhribhai

Ambani,

> > Michel Jackson, Laloo Prsad Yadav etc.

> > > u can see a Lal Bahudur Shastry, Manmohan Singh type people

in

> > it.

> > >

> > > PRASHANT

> > >

> > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > >

> > > So that clarity does not get watered down. I was taken by

your

> > strong statement of conviction that opposed the "notions" that

> > astrologers have, namely that jupiter destroys the house it is

in

> or

> > can be a malefic.

> > >

> > > The strong statement from you made me assume, naturally,

that

> > your conviction was born out of having seen strong evidence in

> > charts and

> > > which you may wish to share so that we can see your

statement

> > illustrated. As a general statement, please note that this was a

> > simple request which need not get anyone on the defensive, etc.

> > >

> > > Hope that was clear and not too painful to figure out :-)

And

> > clarity was the sole reason for my focusing only on one segment

of

> > your longer post.

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > HiRR,

> > > >

> > > > pretty fast though.

> > > >

> > > > well i assume u mean that it is a malefic and not may

> > examples of

> > > it beingbenific right?

> > > > I said it is benefic in past Yogas and in present if u r

> > prepared

> > > to wait till it delivers, and also if one remain honest,

> > selfless,

> > > as human as possible

> > > > not possibe in the commercial, materialsitic world we r

> in,

> > so

> > > the varoiuos exaples I said if we don't bribe...

> > > >

> > > > if u find unseccessful people by which i mean one how

has

> not

> > > made a fortune, u can pick his Guru for it.

> > > > for people who succed by hook or crook GURU is a pure

> > malefic,

> > > not sure if I have to repeat it again or with charts sure

will

> > then

> > > some moderator will say no personal charts, openions if u

> allow

> > it

> > > can put them accross. SURE.

> > > >

> > > > anyway am happy u clipped some part of the mail and

wrote

> > back

> > > else would be in circles on what u meant.

> > > >

> > > > any way for record sake my paternal grandfather was an

> > atheist,

> > > my father is a rationalist, and I can say I AM MIiX of

> > > rationalst+traditionalist but know our forefathers r far

> better

> > > people highly evolved we have no way of judging them even

the

> > ones

> > > who failed in the normal standards.

> > > >

> > > > so I am only trying to understand our traditions, values

> with

> > an

> > > OPEN MIND. and still reasoning it with our current needs,

> values.

> > > >

> > > > Prashant

> > > > prashant

> > > >

> > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > >

> > > > Bravo!

> > > > We would welcome your posting several birthdata refuting

> this

> > age-

> > > old but not quite corroborated 'notion' to align with your

> bold

> > > statement

> > > > and astrological conviction!

> > > >

> > > > Dhanyavaad

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , Prashant Kumar

G B

> > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the house

he

> is

> > in

> > > or is a malefic etc.

> > > >

> > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY

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> > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > >

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