Jupiter does not destroy the house/sign it is in, in a natal chart 2/4

April 1, 2006

Hi RR,

Well it is good to read 2 good mails that can be read with ease by anyone.

Here i felt u wud come up examples galore on Guru as a Malefic or sign

spoiler if this was the accepted or pouplar norm, I still leave the field open

for u and any1 who belives so to put such charts on the forum easy to handle

that.

If it is about it not being a malefic I am sure many will chip in I will do my

part ASAP..

Bottom line if Guru is a benific their lives may not be as interesting to

read as Bill Gates, Marlyn Manro, Dhribhai Ambani, Michel Jackson, Laloo Prsad

Yadav etc.

u can see a Lal Bahudur Shastry, Manmohan Singh type people in it.

PRASHANT

crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: Prashant,

So that clarity does not get watered down. I was taken by your strong statement

of conviction that opposed the "notions" that astrologers have, namely that

jupiter destroys the house it is in or can be a malefic.

The strong statement from you made me assume, naturally, that your conviction

was born out of having seen strong evidence in charts and

which you may wish to share so that we can see your statement illustrated. As

a general statement, please note that this was a simple request which need not

get anyone on the defensive, etc.

Hope that was clear and not too painful to figure out :-) And clarity was the

sole reason for my focusing only on one segment of your longer post.

RR

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> HiRR,

>

> pretty fast though.

>

> well i assume u mean that it is a malefic and not may examples of

it beingbenific right?

> I said it is benefic in past Yogas and in present if u r prepared

to wait till it delivers, and also if one remain honest, selfless,

as human as possible

> not possibe in the commercial, materialsitic world we r in, so

the varoiuos exaples I said if we don't bribe...

>

> if u find unseccessful people by which i mean one how has not

made a fortune, u can pick his Guru for it.

> for people who succed by hook or crook GURU is a pure malefic,

not sure if I have to repeat it again or with charts sure will then

some moderator will say no personal charts, openions if u allow it

can put them accross. SURE.

>

> anyway am happy u clipped some part of the mail and wrote back

else would be in circles on what u meant.

>

> any way for record sake my paternal grandfather was an atheist,

my father is a rationalist, and I can say I AM MIiX of

rationalst+traditionalist but know our forefathers r far better

people highly evolved we have no way of judging them even the ones

who failed in the normal standards.

>

> so I am only trying to understand our traditions, values with an

OPEN MIND. and still reasoning it with our current needs, values.

>

> Prashant

> prashant

>

> crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: Prashant,

>

> Bravo!

> We would welcome your posting several birthdata refuting this age-

old but not quite corroborated 'notion' to align with your bold

statement

> and astrological conviction!

>

> Dhanyavaad

>

> RR

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the house he is in

or is a malefic etc.

>

> SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

> Vedic

astrology Astrology

chart Astrology

software

>

> Visit your group "" on the web.

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

> Prashant

>

> Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using

Messenger with Voice.

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE

OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

Visit your group "" on the web.

Prashant

How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates.

April 2, 2006

I do not see my role or responsibility here, dear member, to provide

examples to support or refute interesting theories people come up

with :-) It lies squarely on the broad shoulders of the brave

proponent!

Speaking of clarity in messages to which you and a couple others keep

alluding to -- there is that saying about the pot calling the kettle

black or maybe it is the kettle that calls the pot so -- etc. ;-)

RR

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Hi RR,

>

> Well it is good to read 2 good mails that can be read with ease

by anyone.

>

> Here i felt u wud come up examples galore on Guru as a Malefic or

sign spoiler if this was the accepted or pouplar norm, I still leave

the field open for u and any1 who belives so to put such charts on

the forum easy to handle that.

>

> If it is about it not being a malefic I am sure many will chip in

I will do my part ASAP..

>

> Bottom line if Guru is a benific their lives may not be as

interesting to read as Bill Gates, Marlyn Manro, Dhribhai Ambani,

Michel Jackson, Laloo Prsad Yadav etc.

> u can see a Lal Bahudur Shastry, Manmohan Singh type people in

it.

>

> PRASHANT

>

> crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: Prashant,

>

> So that clarity does not get watered down. I was taken by your

strong statement of conviction that opposed the "notions" that

astrologers have, namely that jupiter destroys the house it is in or

can be a malefic.

>

> The strong statement from you made me assume, naturally, that

your conviction was born out of having seen strong evidence in

charts and

> which you may wish to share so that we can see your statement

illustrated. As a general statement, please note that this was a

simple request which need not get anyone on the defensive, etc.

>

> Hope that was clear and not too painful to figure out :-) And

clarity was the sole reason for my focusing only on one segment of

your longer post.

>

> RR

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >

> > HiRR,

> >

> > pretty fast though.

> >

> > well i assume u mean that it is a malefic and not may

examples of

> it beingbenific right?

> > I said it is benefic in past Yogas and in present if u r

prepared

> to wait till it delivers, and also if one remain honest,

selfless,

> as human as possible

> > not possibe in the commercial, materialsitic world we r in,

so

> the varoiuos exaples I said if we don't bribe...

> >

> > if u find unseccessful people by which i mean one how has not

> made a fortune, u can pick his Guru for it.

> > for people who succed by hook or crook GURU is a pure

malefic,

> not sure if I have to repeat it again or with charts sure will

then

> some moderator will say no personal charts, openions if u allow

it

> can put them accross. SURE.

> >

> > anyway am happy u clipped some part of the mail and wrote

back

> else would be in circles on what u meant.

> >

> > any way for record sake my paternal grandfather was an

atheist,

> my father is a rationalist, and I can say I AM MIiX of

> rationalst+traditionalist but know our forefathers r far better

> people highly evolved we have no way of judging them even the

ones

> who failed in the normal standards.

> >

> > so I am only trying to understand our traditions, values with

an

> OPEN MIND. and still reasoning it with our current needs, values.

> >

> > Prashant

> > prashant

> >

> > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> >

> > Bravo!

> > We would welcome your posting several birthdata refuting this

age-

> old but not quite corroborated 'notion' to align with your bold

> statement

> > and astrological conviction!

> >

> > Dhanyavaad

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the house he is

in

> or is a malefic etc.

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

> > Vedic

> astrology Astrology

> chart Astrology

>

software

>

> >

> > Visit your group "" on the web.

> >

> > Terms of

> Service.

> >

> > Prashant

> >

> > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls

using

> Messenger with Voice.

> >

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

> Visit your group "" on the web.

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

> Prashant

>

> How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone

call rates.

>

April 2, 2006

Dear Friends,

I know that Ju in Cp being the 6th lord in Debilitation can be a

real malefic as far as married life is concerned. It becomes a very

strong Stana-Bhava-Graha (Sign-House-Planet) prediction and the

classics supports it with slokas. Jataka Chandrika (also known as

Leghu parasari) says that Ju, when placed in a marka stana (2nd or

7th house) can cause death if it is a Kendradhipati.

Sa, Ma or Su can give very good results when exalted and well placed

and thus becomes a benefic. After all Benefic means - A planet

that gives good results and Malefic means - A planet that gives bad

results.

Should I start a new controversy by stating that "A planet is

neither benefic or malefic but only a significator or several things.

And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic or malefic. What is

important is understanding the predictions that should be given to

each combination" ???!! Shall I add some spice to it by stating that

classifications such as "Benefic x MaleficSustana x Dustana" are

just descriptive techniques developed to teach the subject, which

later caused all the troubles and confusions"?!!

Yap. I know I have already made the statement!!

Now let us modify it, so that the idea becomes clear.

Combinations (Yoga) that are used for prediction could be of 7

types. The whole astrology uses a 7-fold prediction system.

1) Sign (Stana Phala :- sign based prediction)

For eg :Divisions of signs as Fire, Air etc, Chara, Stira, etc.

2) House (Bhava phala :- house based prediction)

For eg: If 4th lord is placed in 6th we give some predictions.

3) Planet (Graha phala :- planet based prediction)

For eg: If Su and Me is together we give some prediction.

4) Sign-House (Stana - Bhava :- Sign-House based prediction)

For eg: If Ge is 3rd house from Asc we give some prediction.

5) Sign-Planet (Stana-Graha :- Sign-Planet based prediction)

For eg: If Mo is in Tarus we give some prediction.

6) House-Planet (Bhava-Graha :- House-Planet based prediction)

For eg: If Me is in 2nd house we give some prediction.

7) Sign-House-Planet (Stana-Bhava-Graha :- Sign-House-Planet

prediction)

For eg: If (take our above eg.) Ju the 6th lord for Cn Asc is in

Cp then we give some prediction.

If we are well aware of this system used by the Rishis, what is

the purpose and use of concepts like "Benefic x MalificSustana x

Dustana"? We just use them in general discussions to avoid details.

I hope the point is clear. Should be now again argue that Ju is

benefic or Malefic, and Ma is benefic or malefic?? And still reach no

compromise and no conclusion? Let us try to learn and predict,

rather than getting entrapped in such controversies.

Love,

Sreenadh

, "crystal pages"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> I do not see my role or responsibility here, dear member, to

provide

> examples to support or refute interesting theories people come up

> with :-) It lies squarely on the broad shoulders of the brave

> proponent!

>

> Speaking of clarity in messages to which you and a couple others

keep

> alluding to -- there is that saying about the pot calling the

kettle

> black or maybe it is the kettle that calls the pot so -- etc. ;-)

>

> RR

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi RR,

> >

> > Well it is good to read 2 good mails that can be read with ease

> by anyone.

> >

> > Here i felt u wud come up examples galore on Guru as a Malefic

or

> sign spoiler if this was the accepted or pouplar norm, I still

leave

> the field open for u and any1 who belives so to put such charts on

> the forum easy to handle that.

> >

> > If it is about it not being a malefic I am sure many will chip

in

> I will do my part ASAP..

> >

> > Bottom line if Guru is a benific their lives may not be as

> interesting to read as Bill Gates, Marlyn Manro, Dhribhai Ambani,

> Michel Jackson, Laloo Prsad Yadav etc.

> > u can see a Lal Bahudur Shastry, Manmohan Singh type people in

> it.

> >

> > PRASHANT

> >

> > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> >

> > So that clarity does not get watered down. I was taken by your

> strong statement of conviction that opposed the "notions" that

> astrologers have, namely that jupiter destroys the house it is in

or

> can be a malefic.

> >

> > The strong statement from you made me assume, naturally, that

> your conviction was born out of having seen strong evidence in

> charts and

> > which you may wish to share so that we can see your statement

> illustrated. As a general statement, please note that this was a

> simple request which need not get anyone on the defensive, etc.

> >

> > Hope that was clear and not too painful to figure out :-) And

> clarity was the sole reason for my focusing only on one segment of

> your longer post.

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > HiRR,

> > >

> > > pretty fast though.

> > >

> > > well i assume u mean that it is a malefic and not may

> examples of

> > it beingbenific right?

> > > I said it is benefic in past Yogas and in present if u r

> prepared

> > to wait till it delivers, and also if one remain honest,

> selfless,

> > as human as possible

> > > not possibe in the commercial, materialsitic world we r

in,

> so

> > the varoiuos exaples I said if we don't bribe...

> > >

> > > if u find unseccessful people by which i mean one how has

not

> > made a fortune, u can pick his Guru for it.

> > > for people who succed by hook or crook GURU is a pure

> malefic,

> > not sure if I have to repeat it again or with charts sure will

> then

> > some moderator will say no personal charts, openions if u

allow

> it

> > can put them accross. SURE.

> > >

> > > anyway am happy u clipped some part of the mail and wrote

> back

> > else would be in circles on what u meant.

> > >

> > > any way for record sake my paternal grandfather was an

> atheist,

> > my father is a rationalist, and I can say I AM MIiX of

> > rationalst+traditionalist but know our forefathers r far

better

> > people highly evolved we have no way of judging them even the

> ones

> > who failed in the normal standards.

> > >

> > > so I am only trying to understand our traditions, values

with

> an

> > OPEN MIND. and still reasoning it with our current needs,

values.

> > >

> > > Prashant

> > > prashant

> > >

> > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > >

> > > Bravo!

> > > We would welcome your posting several birthdata refuting

this

> age-

> > old but not quite corroborated 'notion' to align with your

bold

> > statement

> > > and astrological conviction!

> > >

> > > Dhanyavaad

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the house he

is

> in

> > or is a malefic etc.

> > >

> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > >

> > > Vedic

> > astrology Astrology

> > chart Astrology

> >

>

software

>

> >

> > >

> > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > >

> > > Terms

of

> > Service.

> > >

> > > Prashant

> > >

> > > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls

> using

> > Messenger with Voice.

> > >

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

> > Visit your group "" on the web.

> >

> > Terms of

> Service.

> >

> > Prashant

> >

> > How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone

> call rates.

> >

>

April 2, 2006

I think Aishwarya Rai has cappy jupiter (R7) and would be starting

her jupiter dasha in a few years. The world shall watch!

If mars is always malefic, why was it named 'mangal' (auspicious)

graha :-)

RR

, "Sreenadh" <sreelid

wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> I know that Ju in Cp being the 6th lord in Debilitation can be a

> real malefic as far as married life is concerned. It becomes a very

> strong Stana-Bhava-Graha (Sign-House-Planet) prediction and the

> classics supports it with slokas. Jataka Chandrika (also known as

> Leghu parasari) says that Ju, when placed in a marka stana (2nd or

> 7th house) can cause death if it is a Kendradhipati.

> Sa, Ma or Su can give very good results when exalted and well

placed

> and thus becomes a benefic. After all Benefic means - A planet

> that gives good results and Malefic means - A planet that gives bad

> results.

> Should I start a new controversy by stating that "A planet is

> neither benefic or malefic but only a significator or several

things.

> And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic or malefic. What is

> important is understanding the predictions that should be given to

> each combination" ???!! Shall I add some spice to it by stating

that

> classifications such as "Benefic x MaleficSustana x Dustana" are

> just descriptive techniques developed to teach the subject, which

> later caused all the troubles and confusions"?!!

> Yap. I know I have already made the statement!!

> Now let us modify it, so that the idea becomes clear.

> Combinations (Yoga) that are used for prediction could be of 7

> types. The whole astrology uses a 7-fold prediction system.

> 1) Sign (Stana Phala :- sign based prediction)

> For eg :Divisions of signs as Fire, Air etc, Chara, Stira, etc.

> 2) House (Bhava phala :- house based prediction)

> For eg: If 4th lord is placed in 6th we give some predictions.

> 3) Planet (Graha phala :- planet based prediction)

> For eg: If Su and Me is together we give some prediction.

> 4) Sign-House (Stana - Bhava :- Sign-House based prediction)

> For eg: If Ge is 3rd house from Asc we give some prediction.

> 5) Sign-Planet (Stana-Graha :- Sign-Planet based prediction)

> For eg: If Mo is in Tarus we give some prediction.

> 6) House-Planet (Bhava-Graha :- House-Planet based prediction)

> For eg: If Me is in 2nd house we give some prediction.

> 7) Sign-House-Planet (Stana-Bhava-Graha :- Sign-House-Planet

> prediction)

> For eg: If (take our above eg.) Ju the 6th lord for Cn Asc is

in

> Cp then we give some prediction.

> If we are well aware of this system used by the Rishis, what is

> the purpose and use of concepts like "Benefic x MalificSustana x

> Dustana"? We just use them in general discussions to avoid

details.

> I hope the point is clear. Should be now again argue that Ju is

> benefic or Malefic, and Ma is benefic or malefic?? And still reach

no

> compromise and no conclusion? Let us try to learn and predict,

> rather than getting entrapped in such controversies.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , "crystal pages"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > I do not see my role or responsibility here, dear member, to

> provide

> > examples to support or refute interesting theories people come up

> > with :-) It lies squarely on the broad shoulders of the brave

> > proponent!

> >

> > Speaking of clarity in messages to which you and a couple others

> keep

> > alluding to -- there is that saying about the pot calling the

> kettle

> > black or maybe it is the kettle that calls the pot so -- etc. ;-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi RR,

> > >

> > > Well it is good to read 2 good mails that can be read with

ease

> > by anyone.

> > >

> > > Here i felt u wud come up examples galore on Guru as a

Malefic

> or

> > sign spoiler if this was the accepted or pouplar norm, I still

> leave

> > the field open for u and any1 who belives so to put such charts

on

> > the forum easy to handle that.

> > >

> > > If it is about it not being a malefic I am sure many will

chip

> in

> > I will do my part ASAP..

> > >

> > > Bottom line if Guru is a benific their lives may not be as

> > interesting to read as Bill Gates, Marlyn Manro, Dhribhai

Ambani,

> > Michel Jackson, Laloo Prsad Yadav etc.

> > > u can see a Lal Bahudur Shastry, Manmohan Singh type people

in

> > it.

> > >

> > > PRASHANT

> > >

> > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > >

> > > So that clarity does not get watered down. I was taken by your

> > strong statement of conviction that opposed the "notions" that

> > astrologers have, namely that jupiter destroys the house it is in

> or

> > can be a malefic.

> > >

> > > The strong statement from you made me assume, naturally, that

> > your conviction was born out of having seen strong evidence in

> > charts and

> > > which you may wish to share so that we can see your

statement

> > illustrated. As a general statement, please note that this was a

> > simple request which need not get anyone on the defensive, etc.

> > >

> > > Hope that was clear and not too painful to figure out :-) And

> > clarity was the sole reason for my focusing only on one segment

of

> > your longer post.

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > HiRR,

> > > >

> > > > pretty fast though.

> > > >

> > > > well i assume u mean that it is a malefic and not may

> > examples of

> > > it beingbenific right?

> > > > I said it is benefic in past Yogas and in present if u r

> > prepared

> > > to wait till it delivers, and also if one remain honest,

> > selfless,

> > > as human as possible

> > > > not possibe in the commercial, materialsitic world we r

> in,

> > so

> > > the varoiuos exaples I said if we don't bribe...

> > > >

> > > > if u find unseccessful people by which i mean one how has

> not

> > > made a fortune, u can pick his Guru for it.

> > > > for people who succed by hook or crook GURU is a pure

> > malefic,

> > > not sure if I have to repeat it again or with charts sure

will

> > then

> > > some moderator will say no personal charts, openions if u

> allow

> > it

> > > can put them accross. SURE.

> > > >

> > > > anyway am happy u clipped some part of the mail and wrote

> > back

> > > else would be in circles on what u meant.

> > > >

> > > > any way for record sake my paternal grandfather was an

> > atheist,

> > > my father is a rationalist, and I can say I AM MIiX of

> > > rationalst+traditionalist but know our forefathers r far

> better

> > > people highly evolved we have no way of judging them even the

> > ones

> > > who failed in the normal standards.

> > > >

> > > > so I am only trying to understand our traditions, values

> with

> > an

> > > OPEN MIND. and still reasoning it with our current needs,

> values.

> > > >

> > > > Prashant

> > > > prashant

> > > >

> > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > >

> > > > Bravo!

> > > > We would welcome your posting several birthdata refuting

> this

> > age-

> > > old but not quite corroborated 'notion' to align with your

> bold

> > > statement

> > > > and astrological conviction!

> > > >

> > > > Dhanyavaad

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , Prashant Kumar G

B

> > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the house he

> is

> > in

> > > or is a malefic etc.

> > > >

> > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY

AND

> > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > >

Vedic

> > > astrology Astrology

> > > chart Astrology

> > >

> >

>

software

> >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > > >

Terms

> of

> > > Service.

> > > >

> > > > Prashant

> > > >

> > > > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls

> > using

> > > Messenger with Voice.

> > > >

> > >

> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > >

> > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > >

> > > Terms of

> > Service.

> > >

> > > Prashant

> > >

> > > How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-

Phone

> > call rates.

> > >

> >

>

April 2, 2006

dear sreenadh ji

you wrote:

"A planet is neither benefic or malefic but only a significator or

several things. And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic or

malefic."

scientifically, based on astronomy, the above statement is a FACT

which none can deny.

however, astrology and mythology (not literally mythical!) based on

puranas and samhitas teach planets and stars as persons and not

celestial objects. in mythology chandra is a male and in astrology

chandra is a female.

science looks at planets as lifeless objects or a mass or ball of

chemicals, gases and other susbtances. mythology looks at planets

as gods and demons signifying various dispositions direclty

affecting all humans.

as you rightly observed, instead of branding a planet as benefic or

malefic, we shall focus more on their dispositions, for what is good

for one is perceived by another as bad. one person sees a wife as

bringing good luck, wealth and material comforts, a realised person

sees a wife as maya and prefer brahmacharyam and renouncement and

yet another realised person see direct goddess in her. in all the

three cases, jupiter has his own role but perceptions of the native

in receiving the dispositions are different.

with best wishes

arjun

, "Sreenadh" <sreelid

wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> I know that Ju in Cp being the 6th lord in Debilitation can be a

> real malefic as far as married life is concerned. It becomes a

very

> strong Stana-Bhava-Graha (Sign-House-Planet) prediction and the

> classics supports it with slokas. Jataka Chandrika (also known as

> Leghu parasari) says that Ju, when placed in a marka stana (2nd or

> 7th house) can cause death if it is a Kendradhipati.

> Sa, Ma or Su can give very good results when exalted and well

placed

> and thus becomes a benefic. After all Benefic means - A planet

> that gives good results and Malefic means - A planet that gives

bad

> results.

> Should I start a new controversy by stating that "A planet is

> neither benefic or malefic but only a significator or several

things.

> And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic or malefic. What

is

> important is understanding the predictions that should be given to

> each combination" ???!! Shall I add some spice to it by stating

that

> classifications such as "Benefic x MaleficSustana x Dustana"

are

> just descriptive techniques developed to teach the subject, which

> later caused all the troubles and confusions"?!!

> Yap. I know I have already made the statement!!

> Now let us modify it, so that the idea becomes clear.

> Combinations (Yoga) that are used for prediction could be of 7

> types. The whole astrology uses a 7-fold prediction system.

> 1) Sign (Stana Phala :- sign based prediction)

> For eg :Divisions of signs as Fire, Air etc, Chara, Stira,

etc.

> 2) House (Bhava phala :- house based prediction)

> For eg: If 4th lord is placed in 6th we give some

predictions.

> 3) Planet (Graha phala :- planet based prediction)

> For eg: If Su and Me is together we give some prediction.

> 4) Sign-House (Stana - Bhava :- Sign-House based prediction)

> For eg: If Ge is 3rd house from Asc we give some prediction.

> 5) Sign-Planet (Stana-Graha :- Sign-Planet based prediction)

> For eg: If Mo is in Tarus we give some prediction.

> 6) House-Planet (Bhava-Graha :- House-Planet based prediction)

> For eg: If Me is in 2nd house we give some prediction.

> 7) Sign-House-Planet (Stana-Bhava-Graha :- Sign-House-Planet

> prediction)

> For eg: If (take our above eg.) Ju the 6th lord for Cn Asc is

in

> Cp then we give some prediction.

> If we are well aware of this system used by the Rishis, what is

> the purpose and use of concepts like "Benefic x MalificSustana

x

> Dustana"? We just use them in general discussions to avoid

details.

> I hope the point is clear. Should be now again argue that Ju is

> benefic or Malefic, and Ma is benefic or malefic?? And still reach

no

> compromise and no conclusion? Let us try to learn and predict,

> rather than getting entrapped in such controversies.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , "crystal pages"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > I do not see my role or responsibility here, dear member, to

> provide

> > examples to support or refute interesting theories people come

up

> > with :-) It lies squarely on the broad shoulders of the brave

> > proponent!

> >

> > Speaking of clarity in messages to which you and a couple others

> keep

> > alluding to -- there is that saying about the pot calling the

> kettle

> > black or maybe it is the kettle that calls the pot so -- etc. ;-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi RR,

> > >

> > > Well it is good to read 2 good mails that can be read with

ease

> > by anyone.

> > >

> > > Here i felt u wud come up examples galore on Guru as a

Malefic

> or

> > sign spoiler if this was the accepted or pouplar norm, I still

> leave

> > the field open for u and any1 who belives so to put such charts

on

> > the forum easy to handle that.

> > >

> > > If it is about it not being a malefic I am sure many will

chip

> in

> > I will do my part ASAP..

> > >

> > > Bottom line if Guru is a benific their lives may not be as

> > interesting to read as Bill Gates, Marlyn Manro, Dhribhai

Ambani,

> > Michel Jackson, Laloo Prsad Yadav etc.

> > > u can see a Lal Bahudur Shastry, Manmohan Singh type people

in

> > it.

> > >

> > > PRASHANT

> > >

> > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > >

> > > So that clarity does not get watered down. I was taken by

your

> > strong statement of conviction that opposed the "notions" that

> > astrologers have, namely that jupiter destroys the house it is

in

> or

> > can be a malefic.

> > >

> > > The strong statement from you made me assume, naturally,

that

> > your conviction was born out of having seen strong evidence in

> > charts and

> > > which you may wish to share so that we can see your

statement

> > illustrated. As a general statement, please note that this was a

> > simple request which need not get anyone on the defensive, etc.

> > >

> > > Hope that was clear and not too painful to figure out :-)

And

> > clarity was the sole reason for my focusing only on one segment

of

> > your longer post.

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > HiRR,

> > > >

> > > > pretty fast though.

> > > >

> > > > well i assume u mean that it is a malefic and not may

> > examples of

> > > it beingbenific right?

> > > > I said it is benefic in past Yogas and in present if u r

> > prepared

> > > to wait till it delivers, and also if one remain honest,

> > selfless,

> > > as human as possible

> > > > not possibe in the commercial, materialsitic world we r

> in,

> > so

> > > the varoiuos exaples I said if we don't bribe...

> > > >

> > > > if u find unseccessful people by which i mean one how

has

> not

> > > made a fortune, u can pick his Guru for it.

> > > > for people who succed by hook or crook GURU is a pure

> > malefic,

> > > not sure if I have to repeat it again or with charts sure

will

> > then

> > > some moderator will say no personal charts, openions if u

> allow

> > it

> > > can put them accross. SURE.

> > > >

> > > > anyway am happy u clipped some part of the mail and

wrote

> > back

> > > else would be in circles on what u meant.

> > > >

> > > > any way for record sake my paternal grandfather was an

> > atheist,

> > > my father is a rationalist, and I can say I AM MIiX of

> > > rationalst+traditionalist but know our forefathers r far

> better

> > > people highly evolved we have no way of judging them even

the

> > ones

> > > who failed in the normal standards.

> > > >

> > > > so I am only trying to understand our traditions, values

> with

> > an

> > > OPEN MIND. and still reasoning it with our current needs,

> values.

> > > >

> > > > Prashant

> > > > prashant

> > > >

> > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > >

> > > > Bravo!

> > > > We would welcome your posting several birthdata refuting

> this

> > age-

> > > old but not quite corroborated 'notion' to align with your

> bold

> > > statement

> > > > and astrological conviction!

> > > >

> > > > Dhanyavaad

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , Prashant Kumar

G B

> > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the house

he

> is

> > in

> > > or is a malefic etc.

> > > >

> > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY

AND

> > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > >

Vedic

> > > astrology

Astrology

> > > chart Astrology

> > >

> >

>

software

> >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > > >

Terms

> of

> > > Service.

> > > >

> > > > Prashant

> > > >

> > > > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls

> > using

> > > Messenger with Voice.

> > > >

> > >

> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > >

> > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > >

> > > Terms

of

> > Service.

> > >

> > > Prashant

> > >

> > > How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-

Phone

> > call rates.

> > >

> >

>

April 2, 2006

Dear Arjun ji,

Sorry, that was a typos committed by me. It is a real astrological

statement and not a scientific statement. I mean:

"A planet is neither benefic or malefic but only a significator OF

several things. And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic or

malefic."

take note of the changed word in capital. Instead of OF i mis-typed

it OR. sorry.

Love,

Sreenadh

, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear sreenadh ji

>

> you wrote:

> "A planet is neither benefic or malefic but only a significator or

> several things. And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic or

> malefic."

>

> scientifically, based on astronomy, the above statement is a FACT

> which none can deny.

>

> however, astrology and mythology (not literally mythical!) based on

> puranas and samhitas teach planets and stars as persons and not

> celestial objects. in mythology chandra is a male and in astrology

> chandra is a female.

>

> science looks at planets as lifeless objects or a mass or ball of

> chemicals, gases and other susbtances. mythology looks at planets

> as gods and demons signifying various dispositions direclty

> affecting all humans.

>

> as you rightly observed, instead of branding a planet as benefic or

> malefic, we shall focus more on their dispositions, for what is

good

> for one is perceived by another as bad. one person sees a wife as

> bringing good luck, wealth and material comforts, a realised person

> sees a wife as maya and prefer brahmacharyam and renouncement and

> yet another realised person see direct goddess in her. in all the

> three cases, jupiter has his own role but perceptions of the native

> in receiving the dispositions are different.

>

> with best wishes

> arjun

>

> , "Sreenadh" <sreelid@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > I know that Ju in Cp being the 6th lord in Debilitation can be

a

> > real malefic as far as married life is concerned. It becomes a

> very

> > strong Stana-Bhava-Graha (Sign-House-Planet) prediction and the

> > classics supports it with slokas. Jataka Chandrika (also known as

> > Leghu parasari) says that Ju, when placed in a marka stana (2nd

or

> > 7th house) can cause death if it is a Kendradhipati.

> > Sa, Ma or Su can give very good results when exalted and well

> placed

> > and thus becomes a benefic. After all Benefic means - A planet

> > that gives good results and Malefic means - A planet that gives

> bad

> > results.

> > Should I start a new controversy by stating that "A planet is

> > neither benefic or malefic but only a significator or several

> things.

> > And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic or malefic. What

> is

> > important is understanding the predictions that should be given

to

> > each combination" ???!! Shall I add some spice to it by stating

> that

> > classifications such as "Benefic x MaleficSustana x Dustana"

> are

> > just descriptive techniques developed to teach the subject, which

> > later caused all the troubles and confusions"?!!

> > Yap. I know I have already made the statement!!

> > Now let us modify it, so that the idea becomes clear.

> > Combinations (Yoga) that are used for prediction could be of 7

> > types. The whole astrology uses a 7-fold prediction system.

> > 1) Sign (Stana Phala :- sign based prediction)

> > For eg :Divisions of signs as Fire, Air etc, Chara, Stira,

> etc.

> > 2) House (Bhava phala :- house based prediction)

> > For eg: If 4th lord is placed in 6th we give some

> predictions.

> > 3) Planet (Graha phala :- planet based prediction)

> > For eg: If Su and Me is together we give some prediction.

> > 4) Sign-House (Stana - Bhava :- Sign-House based prediction)

> > For eg: If Ge is 3rd house from Asc we give some prediction.

> > 5) Sign-Planet (Stana-Graha :- Sign-Planet based prediction)

> > For eg: If Mo is in Tarus we give some prediction.

> > 6) House-Planet (Bhava-Graha :- House-Planet based prediction)

> > For eg: If Me is in 2nd house we give some prediction.

> > 7) Sign-House-Planet (Stana-Bhava-Graha :- Sign-House-Planet

> > prediction)

> > For eg: If (take our above eg.) Ju the 6th lord for Cn Asc

is

> in

> > Cp then we give some prediction.

> > If we are well aware of this system used by the Rishis, what

is

> > the purpose and use of concepts like "Benefic x MalificSustana

> x

> > Dustana"? We just use them in general discussions to avoid

> details.

> > I hope the point is clear. Should be now again argue that Ju is

> > benefic or Malefic, and Ma is benefic or malefic?? And still

reach

> no

> > compromise and no conclusion? Let us try to learn and predict,

> > rather than getting entrapped in such controversies.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , "crystal pages"

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I do not see my role or responsibility here, dear member, to

> > provide

> > > examples to support or refute interesting theories people come

> up

> > > with :-) It lies squarely on the broad shoulders of the brave

> > > proponent!

> > >

> > > Speaking of clarity in messages to which you and a couple

others

> > keep

> > > alluding to -- there is that saying about the pot calling the

> > kettle

> > > black or maybe it is the kettle that calls the pot so -- etc. ;-

)

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi RR,

> > > >

> > > > Well it is good to read 2 good mails that can be read with

> ease

> > > by anyone.

> > > >

> > > > Here i felt u wud come up examples galore on Guru as a

> Malefic

> > or

> > > sign spoiler if this was the accepted or pouplar norm, I still

> > leave

> > > the field open for u and any1 who belives so to put such

charts

> on

> > > the forum easy to handle that.

> > > >

> > > > If it is about it not being a malefic I am sure many will

> chip

> > in

> > > I will do my part ASAP..

> > > >

> > > > Bottom line if Guru is a benific their lives may not be as

> > > interesting to read as Bill Gates, Marlyn Manro, Dhribhai

> Ambani,

> > > Michel Jackson, Laloo Prsad Yadav etc.

> > > > u can see a Lal Bahudur Shastry, Manmohan Singh type people

> in

> > > it.

> > > >

> > > > PRASHANT

> > > >

> > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > >

> > > > So that clarity does not get watered down. I was taken by

> your

> > > strong statement of conviction that opposed the "notions" that

> > > astrologers have, namely that jupiter destroys the house it is

> in

> > or

> > > can be a malefic.

> > > >

> > > > The strong statement from you made me assume, naturally,

> that

> > > your conviction was born out of having seen strong evidence in

> > > charts and

> > > > which you may wish to share so that we can see your

> statement

> > > illustrated. As a general statement, please note that this was

a

> > > simple request which need not get anyone on the defensive, etc.

> > > >

> > > > Hope that was clear and not too painful to figure out :-)

> And

> > > clarity was the sole reason for my focusing only on one

segment

> of

> > > your longer post.

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > HiRR,

> > > > >

> > > > > pretty fast though.

> > > > >

> > > > > well i assume u mean that it is a malefic and not may

> > > examples of

> > > > it beingbenific right?

> > > > > I said it is benefic in past Yogas and in present if u

r

> > > prepared

> > > > to wait till it delivers, and also if one remain honest,

> > > selfless,

> > > > as human as possible

> > > > > not possibe in the commercial, materialsitic world we r

> > in,

> > > so

> > > > the varoiuos exaples I said if we don't bribe...

> > > > >

> > > > > if u find unseccessful people by which i mean one how

> has

> > not

> > > > made a fortune, u can pick his Guru for it.

> > > > > for people who succed by hook or crook GURU is a pure

> > > malefic,

> > > > not sure if I have to repeat it again or with charts sure

> will

> > > then

> > > > some moderator will say no personal charts, openions if u

> > allow

> > > it

> > > > can put them accross. SURE.

> > > > >

> > > > > anyway am happy u clipped some part of the mail and

> wrote

> > > back

> > > > else would be in circles on what u meant.

> > > > >

> > > > > any way for record sake my paternal grandfather was an

> > > atheist,

> > > > my father is a rationalist, and I can say I AM MIiX of

> > > > rationalst+traditionalist but know our forefathers r far

> > better

> > > > people highly evolved we have no way of judging them even

> the

> > > ones

> > > > who failed in the normal standards.

> > > > >

> > > > > so I am only trying to understand our traditions,

values

> > with

> > > an

> > > > OPEN MIND. and still reasoning it with our current needs,

> > values.

> > > > >

> > > > > Prashant

> > > > > prashant

> > > > >

> > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > > >

> > > > > Bravo!

> > > > > We would welcome your posting several birthdata refuting

> > this

> > > age-

> > > > old but not quite corroborated 'notion' to align with your

> > bold

> > > > statement

> > > > > and astrological conviction!

> > > > >

> > > > > Dhanyavaad

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , Prashant Kumar

> G B

> > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the house

> he

> > is

> > > in

> > > > or is a malefic etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY

> AND

> > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > >

> Vedic

> > > > astrology

> Astrology

> > > > chart Astrology

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

software

>

> > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > > > >

> Terms

> > of

> > > > Service.

> > > > >

> > > > > Prashant

> > > > >

> > > > > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone

Calls

> > > using

> > > > Messenger with Voice.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > >

> > > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > > >

> > > > Terms

> of

> > > Service.

> > > >

> > > > Prashant

> > > >

> > > > How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-

> Phone

> > > call rates.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 2, 2006

dear sreenadh ji

all your contributions are welcome in letter and spirit positively,

for i see the jupiter shining. whether we agree to disagree or

disagree to agree is academic in nature.

out of my respect for guru ji, i expect more contributions in

support of guru ji that guru ji does not kill a native or play other

spoilsports.

anyway as is the wont of most learnt members, i too would start

giving birth details and charts of the natives to support the

theories to substantiate and corroborate my understanding. just

started datamining the hundreds of charts of my own customers.

unfortunately i had thousands of previous charts done manually which

were done in cybercafes and do no have them now. instead of quoting

dead or high people who cannot give their testimonials, i give only

living and known charts who come forward to clarify any further

doubts directly to the critics.

with best wishes

arjun

, "Sreenadh" <sreelid

wrote:

>

> Dear Arjun ji,

> Sorry, that was a typos committed by me. It is a real

astrological

> statement and not a scientific statement. I mean:

> "A planet is neither benefic or malefic but only a significator

OF

> several things. And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic

or

> malefic."

> take note of the changed word in capital. Instead of OF i mis-

typed

> it OR. sorry.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , "panditarjun2004"

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear sreenadh ji

> >

> > you wrote:

> > "A planet is neither benefic or malefic but only a significator

or

> > several things. And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic

or

> > malefic."

> >

> > scientifically, based on astronomy, the above statement is a

FACT

> > which none can deny.

> >

> > however, astrology and mythology (not literally mythical!) based

on

> > puranas and samhitas teach planets and stars as persons and not

> > celestial objects. in mythology chandra is a male and in

astrology

> > chandra is a female.

> >

> > science looks at planets as lifeless objects or a mass or ball

of

> > chemicals, gases and other susbtances. mythology looks at

planets

> > as gods and demons signifying various dispositions direclty

> > affecting all humans.

> >

> > as you rightly observed, instead of branding a planet as benefic

or

> > malefic, we shall focus more on their dispositions, for what is

> good

> > for one is perceived by another as bad. one person sees a wife

as

> > bringing good luck, wealth and material comforts, a realised

person

> > sees a wife as maya and prefer brahmacharyam and renouncement

and

> > yet another realised person see direct goddess in her. in all

the

> > three cases, jupiter has his own role but perceptions of the

native

> > in receiving the dispositions are different.

> >

> > with best wishes

> > arjun

> >

> > , "Sreenadh" <sreelid@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > > I know that Ju in Cp being the 6th lord in Debilitation can

be

> a

> > > real malefic as far as married life is concerned. It becomes a

> > very

> > > strong Stana-Bhava-Graha (Sign-House-Planet) prediction and

the

> > > classics supports it with slokas. Jataka Chandrika (also known

as

> > > Leghu parasari) says that Ju, when placed in a marka stana

(2nd

> or

> > > 7th house) can cause death if it is a Kendradhipati.

> > > Sa, Ma or Su can give very good results when exalted and well

> > placed

> > > and thus becomes a benefic. After all Benefic means - A

planet

> > > that gives good results and Malefic means - A planet that

gives

> > bad

> > > results.

> > > Should I start a new controversy by stating that "A planet is

> > > neither benefic or malefic but only a significator or several

> > things.

> > > And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic or malefic.

What

> > is

> > > important is understanding the predictions that should be

given

> to

> > > each combination" ???!! Shall I add some spice to it by

stating

> > that

> > > classifications such as "Benefic x MaleficSustana x

Dustana"

> > are

> > > just descriptive techniques developed to teach the subject,

which

> > > later caused all the troubles and confusions"?!!

> > > Yap. I know I have already made the statement!!

> > > Now let us modify it, so that the idea becomes clear.

> > > Combinations (Yoga) that are used for prediction could be of

7

> > > types. The whole astrology uses a 7-fold prediction system.

> > > 1) Sign (Stana Phala :- sign based prediction)

> > > For eg :Divisions of signs as Fire, Air etc, Chara,

Stira,

> > etc.

> > > 2) House (Bhava phala :- house based prediction)

> > > For eg: If 4th lord is placed in 6th we give some

> > predictions.

> > > 3) Planet (Graha phala :- planet based prediction)

> > > For eg: If Su and Me is together we give some prediction.

> > > 4) Sign-House (Stana - Bhava :- Sign-House based prediction)

> > > For eg: If Ge is 3rd house from Asc we give some

prediction.

> > > 5) Sign-Planet (Stana-Graha :- Sign-Planet based prediction)

> > > For eg: If Mo is in Tarus we give some prediction.

> > > 6) House-Planet (Bhava-Graha :- House-Planet based

prediction)

> > > For eg: If Me is in 2nd house we give some prediction.

> > > 7) Sign-House-Planet (Stana-Bhava-Graha :- Sign-House-Planet

> > > prediction)

> > > For eg: If (take our above eg.) Ju the 6th lord for Cn

Asc

> is

> > in

> > > Cp then we give some prediction.

> > > If we are well aware of this system used by the Rishis,

what

> is

> > > the purpose and use of concepts like "Benefic x

MalificSustana

> > x

> > > Dustana"? We just use them in general discussions to avoid

> > details.

> > > I hope the point is clear. Should be now again argue that Ju

is

> > > benefic or Malefic, and Ma is benefic or malefic?? And still

> reach

> > no

> > > compromise and no conclusion? Let us try to learn and

predict,

> > > rather than getting entrapped in such controversies.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , "crystal pages"

> > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I do not see my role or responsibility here, dear member, to

> > > provide

> > > > examples to support or refute interesting theories people

come

> > up

> > > > with :-) It lies squarely on the broad shoulders of the

brave

> > > > proponent!

> > > >

> > > > Speaking of clarity in messages to which you and a couple

> others

> > > keep

> > > > alluding to -- there is that saying about the pot calling

the

> > > kettle

> > > > black or maybe it is the kettle that calls the pot so --

etc. ;-

> )

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi RR,

> > > > >

> > > > > Well it is good to read 2 good mails that can be read

with

> > ease

> > > > by anyone.

> > > > >

> > > > > Here i felt u wud come up examples galore on Guru as a

> > Malefic

> > > or

> > > > sign spoiler if this was the accepted or pouplar norm, I

still

> > > leave

> > > > the field open for u and any1 who belives so to put such

> charts

> > on

> > > > the forum easy to handle that.

> > > > >

> > > > > If it is about it not being a malefic I am sure many

will

> > chip

> > > in

> > > > I will do my part ASAP..

> > > > >

> > > > > Bottom line if Guru is a benific their lives may not be

as

> > > > interesting to read as Bill Gates, Marlyn Manro, Dhribhai

> > Ambani,

> > > > Michel Jackson, Laloo Prsad Yadav etc.

> > > > > u can see a Lal Bahudur Shastry, Manmohan Singh type

people

> > in

> > > > it.

> > > > >

> > > > > PRASHANT

> > > > >

> > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > > >

> > > > > So that clarity does not get watered down. I was taken by

> > your

> > > > strong statement of conviction that opposed the "notions"

that

> > > > astrologers have, namely that jupiter destroys the house it

is

> > in

> > > or

> > > > can be a malefic.

> > > > >

> > > > > The strong statement from you made me assume, naturally,

> > that

> > > > your conviction was born out of having seen strong evidence

in

> > > > charts and

> > > > > which you may wish to share so that we can see your

> > statement

> > > > illustrated. As a general statement, please note that this

was

> a

> > > > simple request which need not get anyone on the defensive,

etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope that was clear and not too painful to figure out :-

)

> > And

> > > > clarity was the sole reason for my focusing only on one

> segment

> > of

> > > > your longer post.

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , Prashant Kumar

G B

> > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > HiRR,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > pretty fast though.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > well i assume u mean that it is a malefic and not

may

> > > > examples of

> > > > > it beingbenific right?

> > > > > > I said it is benefic in past Yogas and in present if

u

> r

> > > > prepared

> > > > > to wait till it delivers, and also if one remain

honest,

> > > > selfless,

> > > > > as human as possible

> > > > > > not possibe in the commercial, materialsitic world

we r

> > > in,

> > > > so

> > > > > the varoiuos exaples I said if we don't bribe...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > if u find unseccessful people by which i mean one

how

> > has

> > > not

> > > > > made a fortune, u can pick his Guru for it.

> > > > > > for people who succed by hook or crook GURU is a

pure

> > > > malefic,

> > > > > not sure if I have to repeat it again or with charts

sure

> > will

> > > > then

> > > > > some moderator will say no personal charts, openions if

u

> > > allow

> > > > it

> > > > > can put them accross. SURE.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > anyway am happy u clipped some part of the mail and

> > wrote

> > > > back

> > > > > else would be in circles on what u meant.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > any way for record sake my paternal grandfather was

an

> > > > atheist,

> > > > > my father is a rationalist, and I can say I AM MIiX of

> > > > > rationalst+traditionalist but know our forefathers r far

> > > better

> > > > > people highly evolved we have no way of judging them

even

> > the

> > > > ones

> > > > > who failed in the normal standards.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > so I am only trying to understand our traditions,

> values

> > > with

> > > > an

> > > > > OPEN MIND. and still reasoning it with our current

needs,

> > > values.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Prashant

> > > > > > prashant

> > > > > >

> > > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bravo!

> > > > > > We would welcome your posting several birthdata

refuting

> > > this

> > > > age-

> > > > > old but not quite corroborated 'notion' to align with

your

> > > bold

> > > > > statement

> > > > > > and astrological conviction!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dhanyavaad

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Prashant

Kumar

> > G B

> > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the

house

> > he

> > > is

> > > > in

> > > > > or is a malefic etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

DIVINITY

> > AND

> > > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > > >

> > Vedic

> > > > > astrology

> > Astrology

> > > > > chart

Astrology

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

software

> >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > > > > >

> > Terms

> > > of

> > > > > Service.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Prashant

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone

> Calls

> > > > using

> > > > > Messenger with Voice.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY

AND

> > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > >

> > > > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > > > >

Terms

> > of

> > > > Service.

> > > > >

> > > > > Prashant

> > > > >

> > > > > How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-

to-

> > Phone

> > > > call rates.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 2, 2006

Respected Pandit Arjun ji,

Very succinct. It is all in the mind. How we perceive is all that

matters. maleficness and benignity are all as a native perceives

them to be and relative. Sreenadh ji is right when says planets, no

let me be clear, grahas cannot be branded benefic or malefic .

Regards

Nalini

, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear sreenadh ji

>

> you wrote:

> "A planet is neither benefic or malefic but only a significator or

> several things. And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic or

> malefic."

>

> scientifically, based on astronomy, the above statement is a FACT

> which none can deny.

>

> however, astrology and mythology (not literally mythical!) based

on

> puranas and samhitas teach planets and stars as persons and not

> celestial objects. in mythology chandra is a male and in

astrology

> chandra is a female.

>

> science looks at planets as lifeless objects or a mass or ball of

> chemicals, gases and other susbtances. mythology looks at planets

> as gods and demons signifying various dispositions direclty

> affecting all humans.

>

> as you rightly observed, instead of branding a planet as benefic

or

> malefic, we shall focus more on their dispositions, for what is

good

> for one is perceived by another as bad. one person sees a wife as

> bringing good luck, wealth and material comforts, a realised

person

> sees a wife as maya and prefer brahmacharyam and renouncement and

> yet another realised person see direct goddess in her. in all the

> three cases, jupiter has his own role but perceptions of the

native

> in receiving the dispositions are different.

>

> with best wishes

> arjun

>

> , "Sreenadh" <sreelid@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > I know that Ju in Cp being the 6th lord in Debilitation can be

a

> > real malefic as far as married life is concerned. It becomes a

> very

> > strong Stana-Bhava-Graha (Sign-House-Planet) prediction and the

> > classics supports it with slokas. Jataka Chandrika (also known

as

> > Leghu parasari) says that Ju, when placed in a marka stana (2nd

or

> > 7th house) can cause death if it is a Kendradhipati.

> > Sa, Ma or Su can give very good results when exalted and well

> placed

> > and thus becomes a benefic. After all Benefic means - A

planet

> > that gives good results and Malefic means - A planet that gives

> bad

> > results.

> > Should I start a new controversy by stating that "A planet is

> > neither benefic or malefic but only a significator or several

> things.

> > And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic or malefic. What

> is

> > important is understanding the predictions that should be given

to

> > each combination" ???!! Shall I add some spice to it by stating

> that

> > classifications such as "Benefic x MaleficSustana x Dustana"

> are

> > just descriptive techniques developed to teach the subject,

which

> > later caused all the troubles and confusions"?!!

> > Yap. I know I have already made the statement!!

> > Now let us modify it, so that the idea becomes clear.

> > Combinations (Yoga) that are used for prediction could be of 7

> > types. The whole astrology uses a 7-fold prediction system.

> > 1) Sign (Stana Phala :- sign based prediction)

> > For eg :Divisions of signs as Fire, Air etc, Chara, Stira,

> etc.

> > 2) House (Bhava phala :- house based prediction)

> > For eg: If 4th lord is placed in 6th we give some

> predictions.

> > 3) Planet (Graha phala :- planet based prediction)

> > For eg: If Su and Me is together we give some prediction.

> > 4) Sign-House (Stana - Bhava :- Sign-House based prediction)

> > For eg: If Ge is 3rd house from Asc we give some prediction.

> > 5) Sign-Planet (Stana-Graha :- Sign-Planet based prediction)

> > For eg: If Mo is in Tarus we give some prediction.

> > 6) House-Planet (Bhava-Graha :- House-Planet based prediction)

> > For eg: If Me is in 2nd house we give some prediction.

> > 7) Sign-House-Planet (Stana-Bhava-Graha :- Sign-House-Planet

> > prediction)

> > For eg: If (take our above eg.) Ju the 6th lord for Cn Asc

is

> in

> > Cp then we give some prediction.

> > If we are well aware of this system used by the Rishis, what

is

> > the purpose and use of concepts like "Benefic x

MalificSustana

> x

> > Dustana"? We just use them in general discussions to avoid

> details.

> > I hope the point is clear. Should be now again argue that Ju is

> > benefic or Malefic, and Ma is benefic or malefic?? And still

reach

> no

> > compromise and no conclusion? Let us try to learn and

predict,

> > rather than getting entrapped in such controversies.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , "crystal pages"

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I do not see my role or responsibility here, dear member, to

> > provide

> > > examples to support or refute interesting theories people come

> up

> > > with :-) It lies squarely on the broad shoulders of the brave

> > > proponent!

> > >

> > > Speaking of clarity in messages to which you and a couple

others

> > keep

> > > alluding to -- there is that saying about the pot calling the

> > kettle

> > > black or maybe it is the kettle that calls the pot so --

etc. ;-)

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi RR,

> > > >

> > > > Well it is good to read 2 good mails that can be read with

> ease

> > > by anyone.

> > > >

> > > > Here i felt u wud come up examples galore on Guru as a

> Malefic

> > or

> > > sign spoiler if this was the accepted or pouplar norm, I

still

> > leave

> > > the field open for u and any1 who belives so to put such

charts

> on

> > > the forum easy to handle that.

> > > >

> > > > If it is about it not being a malefic I am sure many will

> chip

> > in

> > > I will do my part ASAP..

> > > >

> > > > Bottom line if Guru is a benific their lives may not be as

> > > interesting to read as Bill Gates, Marlyn Manro, Dhribhai

> Ambani,

> > > Michel Jackson, Laloo Prsad Yadav etc.

> > > > u can see a Lal Bahudur Shastry, Manmohan Singh type

people

> in

> > > it.

> > > >

> > > > PRASHANT

> > > >

> > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > >

> > > > So that clarity does not get watered down. I was taken by

> your

> > > strong statement of conviction that opposed the "notions"

that

> > > astrologers have, namely that jupiter destroys the house it is

> in

> > or

> > > can be a malefic.

> > > >

> > > > The strong statement from you made me assume, naturally,

> that

> > > your conviction was born out of having seen strong evidence

in

> > > charts and

> > > > which you may wish to share so that we can see your

> statement

> > > illustrated. As a general statement, please note that this was

a

> > > simple request which need not get anyone on the defensive,

etc.

> > > >

> > > > Hope that was clear and not too painful to figure out :-)

> And

> > > clarity was the sole reason for my focusing only on one

segment

> of

> > > your longer post.

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , Prashant Kumar G

B

> > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > HiRR,

> > > > >

> > > > > pretty fast though.

> > > > >

> > > > > well i assume u mean that it is a malefic and not may

> > > examples of

> > > > it beingbenific right?

> > > > > I said it is benefic in past Yogas and in present if u

r

> > > prepared

> > > > to wait till it delivers, and also if one remain honest,

> > > selfless,

> > > > as human as possible

> > > > > not possibe in the commercial, materialsitic world we

r

> > in,

> > > so

> > > > the varoiuos exaples I said if we don't bribe...

> > > > >

> > > > > if u find unseccessful people by which i mean one how

> has

> > not

> > > > made a fortune, u can pick his Guru for it.

> > > > > for people who succed by hook or crook GURU is a pure

> > > malefic,

> > > > not sure if I have to repeat it again or with charts sure

> will

> > > then

> > > > some moderator will say no personal charts, openions if u

> > allow

> > > it

> > > > can put them accross. SURE.

> > > > >

> > > > > anyway am happy u clipped some part of the mail and

> wrote

> > > back

> > > > else would be in circles on what u meant.

> > > > >

> > > > > any way for record sake my paternal grandfather was an

> > > atheist,

> > > > my father is a rationalist, and I can say I AM MIiX of

> > > > rationalst+traditionalist but know our forefathers r far

> > better

> > > > people highly evolved we have no way of judging them even

> the

> > > ones

> > > > who failed in the normal standards.

> > > > >

> > > > > so I am only trying to understand our traditions,

values

> > with

> > > an

> > > > OPEN MIND. and still reasoning it with our current needs,

> > values.

> > > > >

> > > > > Prashant

> > > > > prashant

> > > > >

> > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > > >

> > > > > Bravo!

> > > > > We would welcome your posting several birthdata

refuting

> > this

> > > age-

> > > > old but not quite corroborated 'notion' to align with

your

> > bold

> > > > statement

> > > > > and astrological conviction!

> > > > >

> > > > > Dhanyavaad

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , Prashant

Kumar

> G B

> > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the house

> he

> > is

> > > in

> > > > or is a malefic etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

DIVINITY

> AND

> > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > >

> Vedic

> > > > astrology

> Astrology

> > > > chart Astrology

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

software

>

> > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > > > >

> Terms

> > of

> > > > Service.

> > > > >

> > > > > Prashant

> > > > >

> > > > > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone

Calls

> > > using

> > > > Messenger with Voice.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY

AND

> > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > >

> > > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > > >

> > > > Terms

> of

> > > Service.

> > > >

> > > > Prashant

> > > >

> > > > How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-

> Phone

> > > call rates.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 2, 2006

Gosh, would that mean if I have Guru in my Sukhasthana (4th house) and Shani in

my Ripusthana (6th house) - I'm doomed????

auromirra19 <nalini2818 wrote: Respected Pandit Arjun ji,

Very succinct. It is all in the mind. How we perceive is all that

matters. maleficness and benignity are all as a native perceives

them to be and relative. Sreenadh ji is right when says planets, no

let me be clear, grahas cannot be branded benefic or malefic .

Regards

Nalini

, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear sreenadh ji

>

> you wrote:

> "A planet is neither benefic or malefic but only a significator or

> several things. And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic or

> malefic."

>

> scientifically, based on astronomy, the above statement is a FACT

> which none can deny.

>

> however, astrology and mythology (not literally mythical!) based

on

> puranas and samhitas teach planets and stars as persons and not

> celestial objects. in mythology chandra is a male and in

astrology

> chandra is a female.

>

> science looks at planets as lifeless objects or a mass or ball of

> chemicals, gases and other susbtances. mythology looks at planets

> as gods and demons signifying various dispositions direclty

> affecting all humans.

>

> as you rightly observed, instead of branding a planet as benefic

or

> malefic, we shall focus more on their dispositions, for what is

good

> for one is perceived by another as bad. one person sees a wife as

> bringing good luck, wealth and material comforts, a realised

person

> sees a wife as maya and prefer brahmacharyam and renouncement and

> yet another realised person see direct goddess in her. in all the

> three cases, jupiter has his own role but perceptions of the

native

> in receiving the dispositions are different.

>

> with best wishes

> arjun

>

> , "Sreenadh" <sreelid@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > I know that Ju in Cp being the 6th lord in Debilitation can be

a

> > real malefic as far as married life is concerned. It becomes a

> very

> > strong Stana-Bhava-Graha (Sign-House-Planet) prediction and the

> > classics supports it with slokas. Jataka Chandrika (also known

as

> > Leghu parasari) says that Ju, when placed in a marka stana (2nd

or

> > 7th house) can cause death if it is a Kendradhipati.

> > Sa, Ma or Su can give very good results when exalted and well

> placed

> > and thus becomes a benefic. After all Benefic means - A

planet

> > that gives good results and Malefic means - A planet that gives

> bad

> > results.

> > Should I start a new controversy by stating that "A planet is

> > neither benefic or malefic but only a significator or several

> things.

> > And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic or malefic. What

> is

> > important is understanding the predictions that should be given

to

> > each combination" ???!! Shall I add some spice to it by stating

> that

> > classifications such as "Benefic x MaleficSustana x Dustana"

> are

> > just descriptive techniques developed to teach the subject,

which

> > later caused all the troubles and confusions"?!!

> > Yap. I know I have already made the statement!!

> > Now let us modify it, so that the idea becomes clear.

> > Combinations (Yoga) that are used for prediction could be of 7

> > types. The whole astrology uses a 7-fold prediction system.

> > 1) Sign (Stana Phala :- sign based prediction)

> > For eg :Divisions of signs as Fire, Air etc, Chara, Stira,

> etc.

> > 2) House (Bhava phala :- house based prediction)

> > For eg: If 4th lord is placed in 6th we give some

> predictions.

> > 3) Planet (Graha phala :- planet based prediction)

> > For eg: If Su and Me is together we give some prediction.

> > 4) Sign-House (Stana - Bhava :- Sign-House based prediction)

> > For eg: If Ge is 3rd house from Asc we give some prediction.

> > 5) Sign-Planet (Stana-Graha :- Sign-Planet based prediction)

> > For eg: If Mo is in Tarus we give some prediction.

> > 6) House-Planet (Bhava-Graha :- House-Planet based prediction)

> > For eg: If Me is in 2nd house we give some prediction.

> > 7) Sign-House-Planet (Stana-Bhava-Graha :- Sign-House-Planet

> > prediction)

> > For eg: If (take our above eg.) Ju the 6th lord for Cn Asc

is

> in

> > Cp then we give some prediction.

> > If we are well aware of this system used by the Rishis, what

is

> > the purpose and use of concepts like "Benefic x

MalificSustana

> x

> > Dustana"? We just use them in general discussions to avoid

> details.

> > I hope the point is clear. Should be now again argue that Ju is

> > benefic or Malefic, and Ma is benefic or malefic?? And still

reach

> no

> > compromise and no conclusion? Let us try to learn and

predict,

> > rather than getting entrapped in such controversies.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , "crystal pages"

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I do not see my role or responsibility here, dear member, to

> > provide

> > > examples to support or refute interesting theories people come

> up

> > > with :-) It lies squarely on the broad shoulders of the brave

> > > proponent!

> > >

> > > Speaking of clarity in messages to which you and a couple

others

> > keep

> > > alluding to -- there is that saying about the pot calling the

> > kettle

> > > black or maybe it is the kettle that calls the pot so --

etc. ;-)

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi RR,

> > > >

> > > > Well it is good to read 2 good mails that can be read with

> ease

> > > by anyone.

> > > >

> > > > Here i felt u wud come up examples galore on Guru as a

> Malefic

> > or

> > > sign spoiler if this was the accepted or pouplar norm, I

still

> > leave

> > > the field open for u and any1 who belives so to put such

charts

> on

> > > the forum easy to handle that.

> > > >

> > > > If it is about it not being a malefic I am sure many will

> chip

> > in

> > > I will do my part ASAP..

> > > >

> > > > Bottom line if Guru is a benific their lives may not be as

> > > interesting to read as Bill Gates, Marlyn Manro, Dhribhai

> Ambani,

> > > Michel Jackson, Laloo Prsad Yadav etc.

> > > > u can see a Lal Bahudur Shastry, Manmohan Singh type

people

> in

> > > it.

> > > >

> > > > PRASHANT

> > > >

> > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > >

> > > > So that clarity does not get watered down. I was taken by

> your

> > > strong statement of conviction that opposed the "notions"

that

> > > astrologers have, namely that jupiter destroys the house it is

> in

> > or

> > > can be a malefic.

> > > >

> > > > The strong statement from you made me assume, naturally,

> that

> > > your conviction was born out of having seen strong evidence

in

> > > charts and

> > > > which you may wish to share so that we can see your

> statement

> > > illustrated. As a general statement, please note that this was

a

> > > simple request which need not get anyone on the defensive,

etc.

> > > >

> > > > Hope that was clear and not too painful to figure out :-)

> And

> > > clarity was the sole reason for my focusing only on one

segment

> of

> > > your longer post.

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , Prashant Kumar G

B

> > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > HiRR,

> > > > >

> > > > > pretty fast though.

> > > > >

> > > > > well i assume u mean that it is a malefic and not may

> > > examples of

> > > > it beingbenific right?

> > > > > I said it is benefic in past Yogas and in present if u

r

> > > prepared

> > > > to wait till it delivers, and also if one remain honest,

> > > selfless,

> > > > as human as possible

> > > > > not possibe in the commercial, materialsitic world we

r

> > in,

> > > so

> > > > the varoiuos exaples I said if we don't bribe...

> > > > >

> > > > > if u find unseccessful people by which i mean one how

> has

> > not

> > > > made a fortune, u can pick his Guru for it.

> > > > > for people who succed by hook or crook GURU is a pure

> > > malefic,

> > > > not sure if I have to repeat it again or with charts sure

> will

> > > then

> > > > some moderator will say no personal charts, openions if u

> > allow

> > > it

> > > > can put them accross. SURE.

> > > > >

> > > > > anyway am happy u clipped some part of the mail and

> wrote

> > > back

> > > > else would be in circles on what u meant.

> > > > >

> > > > > any way for record sake my paternal grandfather was an

> > > atheist,

> > > > my father is a rationalist, and I can say I AM MIiX of

> > > > rationalst+traditionalist but know our forefathers r far

> > better

> > > > people highly evolved we have no way of judging them even

> the

> > > ones

> > > > who failed in the normal standards.

> > > > >

> > > > > so I am only trying to understand our traditions,

values

> > with

> > > an

> > > > OPEN MIND. and still reasoning it with our current needs,

> > values.

> > > > >

> > > > > Prashant

> > > > > prashant

> > > > >

> > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > > >

> > > > > Bravo!

> > > > > We would welcome your posting several birthdata

refuting

> > this

> > > age-

> > > > old but not quite corroborated 'notion' to align with

your

> > bold

> > > > statement

> > > > > and astrological conviction!

> > > > >

> > > > > Dhanyavaad

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , Prashant

Kumar

> G B

> > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the house

> he

> > is

> > > in

> > > > or is a malefic etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

DIVINITY

> AND

> > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > >

> Vedic

> > > > astrology

> Astrology

> > > > chart Astrology

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

software

>

> > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > > > >

> Terms

> > of

> > > > Service.

> > > > >

> > > > > Prashant

> > > > >

> > > > > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone

Calls

> > > using

> > > > Messenger with Voice.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY

AND

> > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > >

> > > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > > >

> > > > Terms

> of

> > > Service.

> > > >

> > > > Prashant

> > > >

> > > > How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-

> Phone

> > > call rates.

> > > >

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> >

>

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no your ripus will be doomed for jupiter will cork them!

But your sukh will vanish too. After all, who can remain happy (4th)

if ripus vanish altogether. That would be so boring, no? All that

would remain then would be meditating for more hours or watching

cable TV (a form of neomeditation!) ;-)

RR

, Nirmal Anand <nirdayita

wrote:

>

> Gosh, would that mean if I have Guru in my Sukhasthana (4th house)

and Shani in my Ripusthana (6th house) - I'm doomed????

>

> auromirra19 <nalini2818 wrote: Respected Pandit Arjun ji,

> Very succinct. It is all in the mind. How we perceive is all that

> matters. maleficness and benignity are all as a native perceives

> them to be and relative. Sreenadh ji is right when says planets, no

> let me be clear, grahas cannot be branded benefic or malefic .

> Regards

> Nalini

> , "panditarjun2004"

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear sreenadh ji

> >

> > you wrote:

> > "A planet is neither benefic or malefic but only a significator

or

> > several things. And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic

or

> > malefic."

> >

> > scientifically, based on astronomy, the above statement is a FACT

> > which none can deny.

> >

> > however, astrology and mythology (not literally mythical!) based

> on

> > puranas and samhitas teach planets and stars as persons and not

> > celestial objects. in mythology chandra is a male and in

> astrology

> > chandra is a female.

> >

> > science looks at planets as lifeless objects or a mass or ball of

> > chemicals, gases and other susbtances. mythology looks at

planets

> > as gods and demons signifying various dispositions direclty

> > affecting all humans.

> >

> > as you rightly observed, instead of branding a planet as benefic

> or

> > malefic, we shall focus more on their dispositions, for what is

> good

> > for one is perceived by another as bad. one person sees a wife

as

> > bringing good luck, wealth and material comforts, a realised

> person

> > sees a wife as maya and prefer brahmacharyam and renouncement and

> > yet another realised person see direct goddess in her. in all

the

> > three cases, jupiter has his own role but perceptions of the

> native

> > in receiving the dispositions are different.

> >

> > with best wishes

> > arjun

> >

> > , "Sreenadh" <sreelid@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > > I know that Ju in Cp being the 6th lord in Debilitation can

be

> a

> > > real malefic as far as married life is concerned. It becomes a

> > very

> > > strong Stana-Bhava-Graha (Sign-House-Planet) prediction and the

> > > classics supports it with slokas. Jataka Chandrika (also known

> as

> > > Leghu parasari) says that Ju, when placed in a marka stana (2nd

> or

> > > 7th house) can cause death if it is a Kendradhipati.

> > > Sa, Ma or Su can give very good results when exalted and well

> > placed

> > > and thus becomes a benefic. After all Benefic means - A

> planet

> > > that gives good results and Malefic means - A planet that gives

> > bad

> > > results.

> > > Should I start a new controversy by stating that "A planet is

> > > neither benefic or malefic but only a significator or several

> > things.

> > > And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic or malefic.

What

> > is

> > > important is understanding the predictions that should be given

> to

> > > each combination" ???!! Shall I add some spice to it by stating

> > that

> > > classifications such as "Benefic x MaleficSustana x Dustana"

> > are

> > > just descriptive techniques developed to teach the subject,

> which

> > > later caused all the troubles and confusions"?!!

> > > Yap. I know I have already made the statement!!

> > > Now let us modify it, so that the idea becomes clear.

> > > Combinations (Yoga) that are used for prediction could be of 7

> > > types. The whole astrology uses a 7-fold prediction system.

> > > 1) Sign (Stana Phala :- sign based prediction)

> > > For eg :Divisions of signs as Fire, Air etc, Chara, Stira,

> > etc.

> > > 2) House (Bhava phala :- house based prediction)

> > > For eg: If 4th lord is placed in 6th we give some

> > predictions.

> > > 3) Planet (Graha phala :- planet based prediction)

> > > For eg: If Su and Me is together we give some prediction.

> > > 4) Sign-House (Stana - Bhava :- Sign-House based prediction)

> > > For eg: If Ge is 3rd house from Asc we give some

prediction.

> > > 5) Sign-Planet (Stana-Graha :- Sign-Planet based prediction)

> > > For eg: If Mo is in Tarus we give some prediction.

> > > 6) House-Planet (Bhava-Graha :- House-Planet based prediction)

> > > For eg: If Me is in 2nd house we give some prediction.

> > > 7) Sign-House-Planet (Stana-Bhava-Graha :- Sign-House-Planet

> > > prediction)

> > > For eg: If (take our above eg.) Ju the 6th lord for Cn Asc

> is

> > in

> > > Cp then we give some prediction.

> > > If we are well aware of this system used by the Rishis, what

> is

> > > the purpose and use of concepts like "Benefic x

> MalificSustana

> > x

> > > Dustana"? We just use them in general discussions to avoid

> > details.

> > > I hope the point is clear. Should be now again argue that Ju

is

> > > benefic or Malefic, and Ma is benefic or malefic?? And still

> reach

> > no

> > > compromise and no conclusion? Let us try to learn and

> predict,

> > > rather than getting entrapped in such controversies.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , "crystal pages"

> > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I do not see my role or responsibility here, dear member, to

> > > provide

> > > > examples to support or refute interesting theories people

come

> > up

> > > > with :-) It lies squarely on the broad shoulders of the brave

> > > > proponent!

> > > >

> > > > Speaking of clarity in messages to which you and a couple

> others

> > > keep

> > > > alluding to -- there is that saying about the pot calling the

> > > kettle

> > > > black or maybe it is the kettle that calls the pot so --

> etc. ;-)

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi RR,

> > > > >

> > > > > Well it is good to read 2 good mails that can be read

with

> > ease

> > > > by anyone.

> > > > >

> > > > > Here i felt u wud come up examples galore on Guru as a

> > Malefic

> > > or

> > > > sign spoiler if this was the accepted or pouplar norm, I

> still

> > > leave

> > > > the field open for u and any1 who belives so to put such

> charts

> > on

> > > > the forum easy to handle that.

> > > > >

> > > > > If it is about it not being a malefic I am sure many will

> > chip

> > > in

> > > > I will do my part ASAP..

> > > > >

> > > > > Bottom line if Guru is a benific their lives may not be

as

> > > > interesting to read as Bill Gates, Marlyn Manro, Dhribhai

> > Ambani,

> > > > Michel Jackson, Laloo Prsad Yadav etc.

> > > > > u can see a Lal Bahudur Shastry, Manmohan Singh type

> people

> > in

> > > > it.

> > > > >

> > > > > PRASHANT

> > > > >

> > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > > >

> > > > > So that clarity does not get watered down. I was taken by

> > your

> > > > strong statement of conviction that opposed the "notions"

> that

> > > > astrologers have, namely that jupiter destroys the house it

is

> > in

> > > or

> > > > can be a malefic.

> > > > >

> > > > > The strong statement from you made me assume, naturally,

> > that

> > > > your conviction was born out of having seen strong evidence

> in

> > > > charts and

> > > > > which you may wish to share so that we can see your

> > statement

> > > > illustrated. As a general statement, please note that this

was

> a

> > > > simple request which need not get anyone on the defensive,

> etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope that was clear and not too painful to figure out :-)

> > And

> > > > clarity was the sole reason for my focusing only on one

> segment

> > of

> > > > your longer post.

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , Prashant Kumar G

> B

> > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > HiRR,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > pretty fast though.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > well i assume u mean that it is a malefic and not may

> > > > examples of

> > > > > it beingbenific right?

> > > > > > I said it is benefic in past Yogas and in present if

u

> r

> > > > prepared

> > > > > to wait till it delivers, and also if one remain honest,

> > > > selfless,

> > > > > as human as possible

> > > > > > not possibe in the commercial, materialsitic world we

> r

> > > in,

> > > > so

> > > > > the varoiuos exaples I said if we don't bribe...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > if u find unseccessful people by which i mean one how

> > has

> > > not

> > > > > made a fortune, u can pick his Guru for it.

> > > > > > for people who succed by hook or crook GURU is a pure

> > > > malefic,

> > > > > not sure if I have to repeat it again or with charts

sure

> > will

> > > > then

> > > > > some moderator will say no personal charts, openions if

u

> > > allow

> > > > it

> > > > > can put them accross. SURE.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > anyway am happy u clipped some part of the mail and

> > wrote

> > > > back

> > > > > else would be in circles on what u meant.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > any way for record sake my paternal grandfather was

an

> > > > atheist,

> > > > > my father is a rationalist, and I can say I AM MIiX of

> > > > > rationalst+traditionalist but know our forefathers r far

> > > better

> > > > > people highly evolved we have no way of judging them even

> > the

> > > > ones

> > > > > who failed in the normal standards.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > so I am only trying to understand our traditions,

> values

> > > with

> > > > an

> > > > > OPEN MIND. and still reasoning it with our current

needs,

> > > values.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Prashant

> > > > > > prashant

> > > > > >

> > > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bravo!

> > > > > > We would welcome your posting several birthdata

> refuting

> > > this

> > > > age-

> > > > > old but not quite corroborated 'notion' to align with

> your

> > > bold

> > > > > statement

> > > > > > and astrological conviction!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dhanyavaad

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Prashant

> Kumar

> > G B

> > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the

house

> > he

> > > is

> > > > in

> > > > > or is a malefic etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> DIVINITY

> > AND

> > > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > > >

> > Vedic

> > > > > astrology

> > Astrology

> > > > > chart Astrology

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

software

> >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > > > > >

> > Terms

> > > of

> > > > > Service.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Prashant

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone

> Calls

> > > > using

> > > > > Messenger with Voice.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY

> AND

> > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > >

> > > > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > > > >

Terms

> > of

> > > > Service.

> > > > >

> > > > > Prashant

> > > > >

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> > Phone

> > > > call rates.

> > > > >

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> > >

> >

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RRji, then I am CERTAINLY doomed since I watch no television. I have lost some

ripus recently...the sukha is taking a while. I'll pass on the excitement of it

all...and settle for some good old fashioned boring happiness ;-)

crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: no your ripus will be doomed

for jupiter will cork them!

But your sukh will vanish too. After all, who can remain happy (4th)

if ripus vanish altogether. That would be so boring, no? All that

would remain then would be meditating for more hours or watching

cable TV (a form of neomeditation!) ;-)

RR

, Nirmal Anand <nirdayita

wrote:

>

> Gosh, would that mean if I have Guru in my Sukhasthana (4th house)

and Shani in my Ripusthana (6th house) - I'm doomed????

>

> auromirra19 <nalini2818 wrote: Respected Pandit Arjun ji,

> Very succinct. It is all in the mind. How we perceive is all that

> matters. maleficness and benignity are all as a native perceives

> them to be and relative. Sreenadh ji is right when says planets, no

> let me be clear, grahas cannot be branded benefic or malefic .

> Regards

> Nalini

> , "panditarjun2004"

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear sreenadh ji

> >

> > you wrote:

> > "A planet is neither benefic or malefic but only a significator

or

> > several things. And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic

or

> > malefic."

> >

> > scientifically, based on astronomy, the above statement is a FACT

> > which none can deny.

> >

> > however, astrology and mythology (not literally mythical!) based

> on

> > puranas and samhitas teach planets and stars as persons and not

> > celestial objects. in mythology chandra is a male and in

> astrology

> > chandra is a female.

> >

> > science looks at planets as lifeless objects or a mass or ball of

> > chemicals, gases and other susbtances. mythology looks at

planets

> > as gods and demons signifying various dispositions direclty

> > affecting all humans.

> >

> > as you rightly observed, instead of branding a planet as benefic

> or

> > malefic, we shall focus more on their dispositions, for what is

> good

> > for one is perceived by another as bad. one person sees a wife

as

> > bringing good luck, wealth and material comforts, a realised

> person

> > sees a wife as maya and prefer brahmacharyam and renouncement and

> > yet another realised person see direct goddess in her. in all

the

> > three cases, jupiter has his own role but perceptions of the

> native

> > in receiving the dispositions are different.

> >

> > with best wishes

> > arjun

> >

> > , "Sreenadh" <sreelid@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > > I know that Ju in Cp being the 6th lord in Debilitation can

be

> a

> > > real malefic as far as married life is concerned. It becomes a

> > very

> > > strong Stana-Bhava-Graha (Sign-House-Planet) prediction and the

> > > classics supports it with slokas. Jataka Chandrika (also known

> as

> > > Leghu parasari) says that Ju, when placed in a marka stana (2nd

> or

> > > 7th house) can cause death if it is a Kendradhipati.

> > > Sa, Ma or Su can give very good results when exalted and well

> > placed

> > > and thus becomes a benefic. After all Benefic means - A

> planet

> > > that gives good results and Malefic means - A planet that gives

> > bad

> > > results.

> > > Should I start a new controversy by stating that "A planet is

> > > neither benefic or malefic but only a significator or several

> > things.

> > > And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic or malefic.

What

> > is

> > > important is understanding the predictions that should be given

> to

> > > each combination" ???!! Shall I add some spice to it by stating

> > that

> > > classifications such as "Benefic x MaleficSustana x Dustana"

> > are

> > > just descriptive techniques developed to teach the subject,

> which

> > > later caused all the troubles and confusions"?!!

> > > Yap. I know I have already made the statement!!

> > > Now let us modify it, so that the idea becomes clear.

> > > Combinations (Yoga) that are used for prediction could be of 7

> > > types. The whole astrology uses a 7-fold prediction system.

> > > 1) Sign (Stana Phala :- sign based prediction)

> > > For eg :Divisions of signs as Fire, Air etc, Chara, Stira,

> > etc.

> > > 2) House (Bhava phala :- house based prediction)

> > > For eg: If 4th lord is placed in 6th we give some

> > predictions.

> > > 3) Planet (Graha phala :- planet based prediction)

> > > For eg: If Su and Me is together we give some prediction.

> > > 4) Sign-House (Stana - Bhava :- Sign-House based prediction)

> > > For eg: If Ge is 3rd house from Asc we give some

prediction.

> > > 5) Sign-Planet (Stana-Graha :- Sign-Planet based prediction)

> > > For eg: If Mo is in Tarus we give some prediction.

> > > 6) House-Planet (Bhava-Graha :- House-Planet based prediction)

> > > For eg: If Me is in 2nd house we give some prediction.

> > > 7) Sign-House-Planet (Stana-Bhava-Graha :- Sign-House-Planet

> > > prediction)

> > > For eg: If (take our above eg.) Ju the 6th lord for Cn Asc

> is

> > in

> > > Cp then we give some prediction.

> > > If we are well aware of this system used by the Rishis, what

> is

> > > the purpose and use of concepts like "Benefic x

> MalificSustana

> > x

> > > Dustana"? We just use them in general discussions to avoid

> > details.

> > > I hope the point is clear. Should be now again argue that Ju

is

> > > benefic or Malefic, and Ma is benefic or malefic?? And still

> reach

> > no

> > > compromise and no conclusion? Let us try to learn and

> predict,

> > > rather than getting entrapped in such controversies.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , "crystal pages"

> > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I do not see my role or responsibility here, dear member, to

> > > provide

> > > > examples to support or refute interesting theories people

come

> > up

> > > > with :-) It lies squarely on the broad shoulders of the brave

> > > > proponent!

> > > >

> > > > Speaking of clarity in messages to which you and a couple

> others

> > > keep

> > > > alluding to -- there is that saying about the pot calling the

> > > kettle

> > > > black or maybe it is the kettle that calls the pot so --

> etc. ;-)

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi RR,

> > > > >

> > > > > Well it is good to read 2 good mails that can be read

with

> > ease

> > > > by anyone.

> > > > >

> > > > > Here i felt u wud come up examples galore on Guru as a

> > Malefic

> > > or

> > > > sign spoiler if this was the accepted or pouplar norm, I

> still

> > > leave

> > > > the field open for u and any1 who belives so to put such

> charts

> > on

> > > > the forum easy to handle that.

> > > > >

> > > > > If it is about it not being a malefic I am sure many will

> > chip

> > > in

> > > > I will do my part ASAP..

> > > > >

> > > > > Bottom line if Guru is a benific their lives may not be

as

> > > > interesting to read as Bill Gates, Marlyn Manro, Dhribhai

> > Ambani,

> > > > Michel Jackson, Laloo Prsad Yadav etc.

> > > > > u can see a Lal Bahudur Shastry, Manmohan Singh type

> people

> > in

> > > > it.

> > > > >

> > > > > PRASHANT

> > > > >

> > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > > >

> > > > > So that clarity does not get watered down. I was taken by

> > your

> > > > strong statement of conviction that opposed the "notions"

> that

> > > > astrologers have, namely that jupiter destroys the house it

is

> > in

> > > or

> > > > can be a malefic.

> > > > >

> > > > > The strong statement from you made me assume, naturally,

> > that

> > > > your conviction was born out of having seen strong evidence

> in

> > > > charts and

> > > > > which you may wish to share so that we can see your

> > statement

> > > > illustrated. As a general statement, please note that this

was

> a

> > > > simple request which need not get anyone on the defensive,

> etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope that was clear and not too painful to figure out :-)

> > And

> > > > clarity was the sole reason for my focusing only on one

> segment

> > of

> > > > your longer post.

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , Prashant Kumar G

> B

> > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > HiRR,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > pretty fast though.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > well i assume u mean that it is a malefic and not may

> > > > examples of

> > > > > it beingbenific right?

> > > > > > I said it is benefic in past Yogas and in present if

u

> r

> > > > prepared

> > > > > to wait till it delivers, and also if one remain honest,

> > > > selfless,

> > > > > as human as possible

> > > > > > not possibe in the commercial, materialsitic world we

> r

> > > in,

> > > > so

> > > > > the varoiuos exaples I said if we don't bribe...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > if u find unseccessful people by which i mean one how

> > has

> > > not

> > > > > made a fortune, u can pick his Guru for it.

> > > > > > for people who succed by hook or crook GURU is a pure

> > > > malefic,

> > > > > not sure if I have to repeat it again or with charts

sure

> > will

> > > > then

> > > > > some moderator will say no personal charts, openions if

u

> > > allow

> > > > it

> > > > > can put them accross. SURE.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > anyway am happy u clipped some part of the mail and

> > wrote

> > > > back

> > > > > else would be in circles on what u meant.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > any way for record sake my paternal grandfather was

an

> > > > atheist,

> > > > > my father is a rationalist, and I can say I AM MIiX of

> > > > > rationalst+traditionalist but know our forefathers r far

> > > better

> > > > > people highly evolved we have no way of judging them even

> > the

> > > > ones

> > > > > who failed in the normal standards.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > so I am only trying to understand our traditions,

> values

> > > with

> > > > an

> > > > > OPEN MIND. and still reasoning it with our current

needs,

> > > values.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Prashant

> > > > > > prashant

> > > > > >

> > > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bravo!

> > > > > > We would welcome your posting several birthdata

> refuting

> > > this

> > > > age-

> > > > > old but not quite corroborated 'notion' to align with

> your

> > > bold

> > > > > statement

> > > > > > and astrological conviction!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dhanyavaad

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Prashant

> Kumar

> > G B

> > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the

house

> > he

> > > is

> > > > in

> > > > > or is a malefic etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> DIVINITY

> > AND

> > > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > > >

> > Vedic

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> > Astrology

> > > > > chart Astrology

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> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Now, now , now Nirmalji. If everyone who has the combination is

ruined, where is the fun, the real masala( pardon me for a transient

irreverance, coudnt resist it) lies in the combinations/proportions

and portions of the other ingredients. There lies the secret of the

recipe- and no dish tastes alike mind you. Btw could never

understand how pongal used to taste the same any time any day in a

particular restaurant.

best Wishes

Nalini

, Nirmal Anand

<nirdayita wrote:

>

> Gosh, would that mean if I have Guru in my Sukhasthana (4th house)

and Shani in my Ripusthana (6th house) - I'm doomed????

>

> auromirra19 <nalini2818 wrote: Respected Pandit Arjun ji,

> Very succinct. It is all in the mind. How we perceive is all that

> matters. maleficness and benignity are all as a native perceives

> them to be and relative. Sreenadh ji is right when says planets,

no

> let me be clear, grahas cannot be branded benefic or malefic .

> Regards

> Nalini

> , "panditarjun2004"

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear sreenadh ji

> >

> > you wrote:

> > "A planet is neither benefic or malefic but only a significator

or

> > several things. And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic

or

> > malefic."

> >

> > scientifically, based on astronomy, the above statement is a

FACT

> > which none can deny.

> >

> > however, astrology and mythology (not literally mythical!) based

> on

> > puranas and samhitas teach planets and stars as persons and not

> > celestial objects. in mythology chandra is a male and in

> astrology

> > chandra is a female.

> >

> > science looks at planets as lifeless objects or a mass or ball

of

> > chemicals, gases and other susbtances. mythology looks at

planets

> > as gods and demons signifying various dispositions direclty

> > affecting all humans.

> >

> > as you rightly observed, instead of branding a planet as benefic

> or

> > malefic, we shall focus more on their dispositions, for what is

> good

> > for one is perceived by another as bad. one person sees a wife

as

> > bringing good luck, wealth and material comforts, a realised

> person

> > sees a wife as maya and prefer brahmacharyam and renouncement

and

> > yet another realised person see direct goddess in her. in all

the

> > three cases, jupiter has his own role but perceptions of the

> native

> > in receiving the dispositions are different.

> >

> > with best wishes

> > arjun

> >

> > , "Sreenadh" <sreelid@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > > I know that Ju in Cp being the 6th lord in Debilitation can

be

> a

> > > real malefic as far as married life is concerned. It becomes a

> > very

> > > strong Stana-Bhava-Graha (Sign-House-Planet) prediction and

the

> > > classics supports it with slokas. Jataka Chandrika (also known

> as

> > > Leghu parasari) says that Ju, when placed in a marka stana

(2nd

> or

> > > 7th house) can cause death if it is a Kendradhipati.

> > > Sa, Ma or Su can give very good results when exalted and well

> > placed

> > > and thus becomes a benefic. After all Benefic means - A

> planet

> > > that gives good results and Malefic means - A planet that

gives

> > bad

> > > results.

> > > Should I start a new controversy by stating that "A planet is

> > > neither benefic or malefic but only a significator or several

> > things.

> > > And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic or malefic.

What

> > is

> > > important is understanding the predictions that should be

given

> to

> > > each combination" ???!! Shall I add some spice to it by

stating

> > that

> > > classifications such as "Benefic x MaleficSustana x

Dustana"

> > are

> > > just descriptive techniques developed to teach the subject,

> which

> > > later caused all the troubles and confusions"?!!

> > > Yap. I know I have already made the statement!!

> > > Now let us modify it, so that the idea becomes clear.

> > > Combinations (Yoga) that are used for prediction could be of

7

> > > types. The whole astrology uses a 7-fold prediction system.

> > > 1) Sign (Stana Phala :- sign based prediction)

> > > For eg :Divisions of signs as Fire, Air etc, Chara,

Stira,

> > etc.

> > > 2) House (Bhava phala :- house based prediction)

> > > For eg: If 4th lord is placed in 6th we give some

> > predictions.

> > > 3) Planet (Graha phala :- planet based prediction)

> > > For eg: If Su and Me is together we give some prediction.

> > > 4) Sign-House (Stana - Bhava :- Sign-House based prediction)

> > > For eg: If Ge is 3rd house from Asc we give some

prediction.

> > > 5) Sign-Planet (Stana-Graha :- Sign-Planet based prediction)

> > > For eg: If Mo is in Tarus we give some prediction.

> > > 6) House-Planet (Bhava-Graha :- House-Planet based

prediction)

> > > For eg: If Me is in 2nd house we give some prediction.

> > > 7) Sign-House-Planet (Stana-Bhava-Graha :- Sign-House-Planet

> > > prediction)

> > > For eg: If (take our above eg.) Ju the 6th lord for Cn

Asc

> is

> > in

> > > Cp then we give some prediction.

> > > If we are well aware of this system used by the Rishis,

what

> is

> > > the purpose and use of concepts like "Benefic x

> MalificSustana

> > x

> > > Dustana"? We just use them in general discussions to avoid

> > details.

> > > I hope the point is clear. Should be now again argue that Ju

is

> > > benefic or Malefic, and Ma is benefic or malefic?? And still

> reach

> > no

> > > compromise and no conclusion? Let us try to learn and

> predict,

> > > rather than getting entrapped in such controversies.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , "crystal pages"

> > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I do not see my role or responsibility here, dear member, to

> > > provide

> > > > examples to support or refute interesting theories people

come

> > up

> > > > with :-) It lies squarely on the broad shoulders of the

brave

> > > > proponent!

> > > >

> > > > Speaking of clarity in messages to which you and a couple

> others

> > > keep

> > > > alluding to -- there is that saying about the pot calling

the

> > > kettle

> > > > black or maybe it is the kettle that calls the pot so --

> etc. ;-)

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi RR,

> > > > >

> > > > > Well it is good to read 2 good mails that can be read

with

> > ease

> > > > by anyone.

> > > > >

> > > > > Here i felt u wud come up examples galore on Guru as a

> > Malefic

> > > or

> > > > sign spoiler if this was the accepted or pouplar norm, I

> still

> > > leave

> > > > the field open for u and any1 who belives so to put such

> charts

> > on

> > > > the forum easy to handle that.

> > > > >

> > > > > If it is about it not being a malefic I am sure many

will

> > chip

> > > in

> > > > I will do my part ASAP..

> > > > >

> > > > > Bottom line if Guru is a benific their lives may not be

as

> > > > interesting to read as Bill Gates, Marlyn Manro, Dhribhai

> > Ambani,

> > > > Michel Jackson, Laloo Prsad Yadav etc.

> > > > > u can see a Lal Bahudur Shastry, Manmohan Singh type

> people

> > in

> > > > it.

> > > > >

> > > > > PRASHANT

> > > > >

> > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > > >

> > > > > So that clarity does not get watered down. I was taken by

> > your

> > > > strong statement of conviction that opposed the "notions"

> that

> > > > astrologers have, namely that jupiter destroys the house it

is

> > in

> > > or

> > > > can be a malefic.

> > > > >

> > > > > The strong statement from you made me assume, naturally,

> > that

> > > > your conviction was born out of having seen strong evidence

> in

> > > > charts and

> > > > > which you may wish to share so that we can see your

> > statement

> > > > illustrated. As a general statement, please note that this

was

> a

> > > > simple request which need not get anyone on the defensive,

> etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope that was clear and not too painful to figure out :-

)

> > And

> > > > clarity was the sole reason for my focusing only on one

> segment

> > of

> > > > your longer post.

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , Prashant Kumar

G

> B

> > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > HiRR,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > pretty fast though.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > well i assume u mean that it is a malefic and not

may

> > > > examples of

> > > > > it beingbenific right?

> > > > > > I said it is benefic in past Yogas and in present if

u

> r

> > > > prepared

> > > > > to wait till it delivers, and also if one remain

honest,

> > > > selfless,

> > > > > as human as possible

> > > > > > not possibe in the commercial, materialsitic world

we

> r

> > > in,

> > > > so

> > > > > the varoiuos exaples I said if we don't bribe...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > if u find unseccessful people by which i mean one

how

> > has

> > > not

> > > > > made a fortune, u can pick his Guru for it.

> > > > > > for people who succed by hook or crook GURU is a

pure

> > > > malefic,

> > > > > not sure if I have to repeat it again or with charts

sure

> > will

> > > > then

> > > > > some moderator will say no personal charts, openions if

u

> > > allow

> > > > it

> > > > > can put them accross. SURE.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > anyway am happy u clipped some part of the mail and

> > wrote

> > > > back

> > > > > else would be in circles on what u meant.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > any way for record sake my paternal grandfather was

an

> > > > atheist,

> > > > > my father is a rationalist, and I can say I AM MIiX of

> > > > > rationalst+traditionalist but know our forefathers r far

> > > better

> > > > > people highly evolved we have no way of judging them

even

> > the

> > > > ones

> > > > > who failed in the normal standards.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > so I am only trying to understand our traditions,

> values

> > > with

> > > > an

> > > > > OPEN MIND. and still reasoning it with our current

needs,

> > > values.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Prashant

> > > > > > prashant

> > > > > >

> > > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bravo!

> > > > > > We would welcome your posting several birthdata

> refuting

> > > this

> > > > age-

> > > > > old but not quite corroborated 'notion' to align with

> your

> > > bold

> > > > > statement

> > > > > > and astrological conviction!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dhanyavaad

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Prashant

> Kumar

> > G B

> > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the

house

> > he

> > > is

> > > > in

> > > > > or is a malefic etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> DIVINITY

> > AND

> > > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > > >

> > Vedic

> > > > > astrology

> > Astrology

> > > > > chart

Astrology

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April 2, 2006

Seriously now - if you let us do surgery on your chart and birthtime

and ayanamsha etc -- I am sure one or other of us would be able to

move your saturn from 6th into 7th!

Umm.. err.. you are not planning to get married, I hope or try to

come out of your office to meet with the others ...! That could be a

problem! I am sure there is a remedy to fix that somewhere.

Enough of this chitchat B-) you want to get the two of us thrown out

of here or what?

RR

, Nirmal Anand <nirdayita

wrote:

>

> RRji, then I am CERTAINLY doomed since I watch no television. I

have lost some ripus recently...the sukha is taking a while. I'll

pass on the excitement of it all...and settle for some good old

fashioned boring happiness ;-)

>

> crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: no your ripus will be

doomed for jupiter will cork them!

> But your sukh will vanish too. After all, who can remain happy

(4th)

> if ripus vanish altogether. That would be so boring, no? All that

> would remain then would be meditating for more hours or watching

> cable TV (a form of neomeditation!) ;-)

>

> RR

>

> , Nirmal Anand <nirdayita@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Gosh, would that mean if I have Guru in my Sukhasthana (4th

house)

> and Shani in my Ripusthana (6th house) - I'm doomed????

> >

> > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote: Respected Pandit Arjun ji,

> > Very succinct. It is all in the mind. How we perceive is all that

> > matters. maleficness and benignity are all as a native perceives

> > them to be and relative. Sreenadh ji is right when says planets,

no

> > let me be clear, grahas cannot be branded benefic or malefic .

> > Regards

> > Nalini

> > , "panditarjun2004"

> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear sreenadh ji

> > >

> > > you wrote:

> > > "A planet is neither benefic or malefic but only a significator

> or

> > > several things. And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic

> or

> > > malefic."

> > >

> > > scientifically, based on astronomy, the above statement is a

FACT

> > > which none can deny.

> > >

> > > however, astrology and mythology (not literally mythical!)

based

> > on

> > > puranas and samhitas teach planets and stars as persons and not

> > > celestial objects. in mythology chandra is a male and in

> > astrology

> > > chandra is a female.

> > >

> > > science looks at planets as lifeless objects or a mass or ball

of

> > > chemicals, gases and other susbtances. mythology looks at

> planets

> > > as gods and demons signifying various dispositions direclty

> > > affecting all humans.

> > >

> > > as you rightly observed, instead of branding a planet as

benefic

> > or

> > > malefic, we shall focus more on their dispositions, for what is

> > good

> > > for one is perceived by another as bad. one person sees a wife

> as

> > > bringing good luck, wealth and material comforts, a realised

> > person

> > > sees a wife as maya and prefer brahmacharyam and renouncement

and

> > > yet another realised person see direct goddess in her. in all

> the

> > > three cases, jupiter has his own role but perceptions of the

> > native

> > > in receiving the dispositions are different.

> > >

> > > with best wishes

> > > arjun

> > >

> > > , "Sreenadh" <sreelid@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > I know that Ju in Cp being the 6th lord in Debilitation can

> be

> > a

> > > > real malefic as far as married life is concerned. It becomes

a

> > > very

> > > > strong Stana-Bhava-Graha (Sign-House-Planet) prediction and

the

> > > > classics supports it with slokas. Jataka Chandrika (also

known

> > as

> > > > Leghu parasari) says that Ju, when placed in a marka stana

(2nd

> > or

> > > > 7th house) can cause death if it is a Kendradhipati.

> > > > Sa, Ma or Su can give very good results when exalted and

well

> > > placed

> > > > and thus becomes a benefic. After all Benefic means - A

> > planet

> > > > that gives good results and Malefic means - A planet that

gives

> > > bad

> > > > results.

> > > > Should I start a new controversy by stating that "A planet

is

> > > > neither benefic or malefic but only a significator or several

> > > things.

> > > > And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic or malefic.

> What

> > > is

> > > > important is understanding the predictions that should be

given

> > to

> > > > each combination" ???!! Shall I add some spice to it by

stating

> > > that

> > > > classifications such as "Benefic x MaleficSustana x

Dustana"

> > > are

> > > > just descriptive techniques developed to teach the subject,

> > which

> > > > later caused all the troubles and confusions"?!!

> > > > Yap. I know I have already made the statement!!

> > > > Now let us modify it, so that the idea becomes clear.

> > > > Combinations (Yoga) that are used for prediction could be of

7

> > > > types. The whole astrology uses a 7-fold prediction system.

> > > > 1) Sign (Stana Phala :- sign based prediction)

> > > > For eg :Divisions of signs as Fire, Air etc, Chara,

Stira,

> > > etc.

> > > > 2) House (Bhava phala :- house based prediction)

> > > > For eg: If 4th lord is placed in 6th we give some

> > > predictions.

> > > > 3) Planet (Graha phala :- planet based prediction)

> > > > For eg: If Su and Me is together we give some prediction.

> > > > 4) Sign-House (Stana - Bhava :- Sign-House based prediction)

> > > > For eg: If Ge is 3rd house from Asc we give some

> prediction.

> > > > 5) Sign-Planet (Stana-Graha :- Sign-Planet based prediction)

> > > > For eg: If Mo is in Tarus we give some prediction.

> > > > 6) House-Planet (Bhava-Graha :- House-Planet based

prediction)

> > > > For eg: If Me is in 2nd house we give some prediction.

> > > > 7) Sign-House-Planet (Stana-Bhava-Graha :- Sign-House-

Planet

> > > > prediction)

> > > > For eg: If (take our above eg.) Ju the 6th lord for Cn

Asc

> > is

> > > in

> > > > Cp then we give some prediction.

> > > > If we are well aware of this system used by the Rishis,

what

> > is

> > > > the purpose and use of concepts like "Benefic x

> > MalificSustana

> > > x

> > > > Dustana"? We just use them in general discussions to avoid

> > > details.

> > > > I hope the point is clear. Should be now again argue that Ju

> is

> > > > benefic or Malefic, and Ma is benefic or malefic?? And still

> > reach

> > > no

> > > > compromise and no conclusion? Let us try to learn and

> > predict,

> > > > rather than getting entrapped in such controversies.

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > , "crystal pages"

> > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I do not see my role or responsibility here, dear member,

to

> > > > provide

> > > > > examples to support or refute interesting theories people

> come

> > > up

> > > > > with :-) It lies squarely on the broad shoulders of the

brave

> > > > > proponent!

> > > > >

> > > > > Speaking of clarity in messages to which you and a couple

> > others

> > > > keep

> > > > > alluding to -- there is that saying about the pot calling

the

> > > > kettle

> > > > > black or maybe it is the kettle that calls the pot so --

> > etc. ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi RR,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Well it is good to read 2 good mails that can be read

> with

> > > ease

> > > > > by anyone.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here i felt u wud come up examples galore on Guru as a

> > > Malefic

> > > > or

> > > > > sign spoiler if this was the accepted or pouplar norm, I

> > still

> > > > leave

> > > > > the field open for u and any1 who belives so to put such

> > charts

> > > on

> > > > > the forum easy to handle that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If it is about it not being a malefic I am sure many

will

> > > chip

> > > > in

> > > > > I will do my part ASAP..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bottom line if Guru is a benific their lives may not be

> as

> > > > > interesting to read as Bill Gates, Marlyn Manro, Dhribhai

> > > Ambani,

> > > > > Michel Jackson, Laloo Prsad Yadav etc.

> > > > > > u can see a Lal Bahudur Shastry, Manmohan Singh type

> > people

> > > in

> > > > > it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > PRASHANT

> > > > > >

> > > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So that clarity does not get watered down. I was taken by

> > > your

> > > > > strong statement of conviction that opposed the "notions"

> > that

> > > > > astrologers have, namely that jupiter destroys the house it

> is

> > > in

> > > > or

> > > > > can be a malefic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The strong statement from you made me assume,

naturally,

> > > that

> > > > > your conviction was born out of having seen strong

evidence

> > in

> > > > > charts and

> > > > > > which you may wish to share so that we can see your

> > > statement

> > > > > illustrated. As a general statement, please note that this

> was

> > a

> > > > > simple request which need not get anyone on the defensive,

> > etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope that was clear and not too painful to figure out :-

)

> > > And

> > > > > clarity was the sole reason for my focusing only on one

> > segment

> > > of

> > > > > your longer post.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Prashant Kumar

G

> > B

> > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > HiRR,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > pretty fast though.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > well i assume u mean that it is a malefic and not

may

> > > > > examples of

> > > > > > it beingbenific right?

> > > > > > > I said it is benefic in past Yogas and in present

if

> u

> > r

> > > > > prepared

> > > > > > to wait till it delivers, and also if one remain

honest,

> > > > > selfless,

> > > > > > as human as possible

> > > > > > > not possibe in the commercial, materialsitic world

we

> > r

> > > > in,

> > > > > so

> > > > > > the varoiuos exaples I said if we don't bribe...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > if u find unseccessful people by which i mean one

how

> > > has

> > > > not

> > > > > > made a fortune, u can pick his Guru for it.

> > > > > > > for people who succed by hook or crook GURU is a

pure

> > > > > malefic,

> > > > > > not sure if I have to repeat it again or with charts

> sure

> > > will

> > > > > then

> > > > > > some moderator will say no personal charts, openions

if

> u

> > > > allow

> > > > > it

> > > > > > can put them accross. SURE.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > anyway am happy u clipped some part of the mail and

> > > wrote

> > > > > back

> > > > > > else would be in circles on what u meant.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > any way for record sake my paternal grandfather was

> an

> > > > > atheist,

> > > > > > my father is a rationalist, and I can say I AM MIiX

of

> > > > > > rationalst+traditionalist but know our forefathers r

far

> > > > better

> > > > > > people highly evolved we have no way of judging them

even

> > > the

> > > > > ones

> > > > > > who failed in the normal standards.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > so I am only trying to understand our traditions,

> > values

> > > > with

> > > > > an

> > > > > > OPEN MIND. and still reasoning it with our current

> needs,

> > > > values.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Prashant

> > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bravo!

> > > > > > > We would welcome your posting several birthdata

> > refuting

> > > > this

> > > > > age-

> > > > > > old but not quite corroborated 'notion' to align with

> > your

> > > > bold

> > > > > > statement

> > > > > > > and astrological conviction!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dhanyavaad

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Prashant

> > Kumar

> > > G B

> > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the

> house

> > > he

> > > > is

> > > > > in

> > > > > > or is a malefic etc.

> > > > > > >

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April 2, 2006

Speaking of kitchen and masaalas I wonder how many know that we have

an extremely accomplished jyotishi and chemist amongst us who also

has a treasurehouse of recipes, assuming he is still manning the

website that is loaded with delicacies that will make even the most

hermetic yogi amongst us line up at his cyberlangar! But I can keep a

secret, I have made enough trouble in this camp!

RR

, "auromirra19"

<nalini2818 wrote:

>

> Now, now , now Nirmalji. If everyone who has the combination is

> ruined, where is the fun, the real masala( pardon me for a

transient

> irreverance, coudnt resist it) lies in the combinations/proportions

> and portions of the other ingredients. There lies the secret of the

> recipe- and no dish tastes alike mind you. Btw could never

> understand how pongal used to taste the same any time any day in a

> particular restaurant.

> best Wishes

> Nalini

> , Nirmal Anand

> <nirdayita@> wrote:

> >

> > Gosh, would that mean if I have Guru in my Sukhasthana (4th

house)

> and Shani in my Ripusthana (6th house) - I'm doomed????

> >

> > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote: Respected Pandit Arjun ji,

> > Very succinct. It is all in the mind. How we perceive is all that

> > matters. maleficness and benignity are all as a native perceives

> > them to be and relative. Sreenadh ji is right when says planets,

> no

> > let me be clear, grahas cannot be branded benefic or malefic .

> > Regards

> > Nalini

> > , "panditarjun2004"

> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear sreenadh ji

> > >

> > > you wrote:

> > > "A planet is neither benefic or malefic but only a significator

> or

> > > several things. And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic

> or

> > > malefic."

> > >

> > > scientifically, based on astronomy, the above statement is a

> FACT

> > > which none can deny.

> > >

> > > however, astrology and mythology (not literally mythical!)

based

> > on

> > > puranas and samhitas teach planets and stars as persons and not

> > > celestial objects. in mythology chandra is a male and in

> > astrology

> > > chandra is a female.

> > >

> > > science looks at planets as lifeless objects or a mass or ball

> of

> > > chemicals, gases and other susbtances. mythology looks at

> planets

> > > as gods and demons signifying various dispositions direclty

> > > affecting all humans.

> > >

> > > as you rightly observed, instead of branding a planet as

benefic

> > or

> > > malefic, we shall focus more on their dispositions, for what is

> > good

> > > for one is perceived by another as bad. one person sees a wife

> as

> > > bringing good luck, wealth and material comforts, a realised

> > person

> > > sees a wife as maya and prefer brahmacharyam and renouncement

> and

> > > yet another realised person see direct goddess in her. in all

> the

> > > three cases, jupiter has his own role but perceptions of the

> > native

> > > in receiving the dispositions are different.

> > >

> > > with best wishes

> > > arjun

> > >

> > > , "Sreenadh" <sreelid@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > I know that Ju in Cp being the 6th lord in Debilitation can

> be

> > a

> > > > real malefic as far as married life is concerned. It becomes

a

> > > very

> > > > strong Stana-Bhava-Graha (Sign-House-Planet) prediction and

> the

> > > > classics supports it with slokas. Jataka Chandrika (also

known

> > as

> > > > Leghu parasari) says that Ju, when placed in a marka stana

> (2nd

> > or

> > > > 7th house) can cause death if it is a Kendradhipati.

> > > > Sa, Ma or Su can give very good results when exalted and

well

> > > placed

> > > > and thus becomes a benefic. After all Benefic means - A

> > planet

> > > > that gives good results and Malefic means - A planet that

> gives

> > > bad

> > > > results.

> > > > Should I start a new controversy by stating that "A planet

is

> > > > neither benefic or malefic but only a significator or several

> > > things.

> > > > And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic or malefic.

> What

> > > is

> > > > important is understanding the predictions that should be

> given

> > to

> > > > each combination" ???!! Shall I add some spice to it by

> stating

> > > that

> > > > classifications such as "Benefic x MaleficSustana x

> Dustana"

> > > are

> > > > just descriptive techniques developed to teach the subject,

> > which

> > > > later caused all the troubles and confusions"?!!

> > > > Yap. I know I have already made the statement!!

> > > > Now let us modify it, so that the idea becomes clear.

> > > > Combinations (Yoga) that are used for prediction could be of

> 7

> > > > types. The whole astrology uses a 7-fold prediction system.

> > > > 1) Sign (Stana Phala :- sign based prediction)

> > > > For eg :Divisions of signs as Fire, Air etc, Chara,

> Stira,

> > > etc.

> > > > 2) House (Bhava phala :- house based prediction)

> > > > For eg: If 4th lord is placed in 6th we give some

> > > predictions.

> > > > 3) Planet (Graha phala :- planet based prediction)

> > > > For eg: If Su and Me is together we give some prediction.

> > > > 4) Sign-House (Stana - Bhava :- Sign-House based prediction)

> > > > For eg: If Ge is 3rd house from Asc we give some

> prediction.

> > > > 5) Sign-Planet (Stana-Graha :- Sign-Planet based prediction)

> > > > For eg: If Mo is in Tarus we give some prediction.

> > > > 6) House-Planet (Bhava-Graha :- House-Planet based

> prediction)

> > > > For eg: If Me is in 2nd house we give some prediction.

> > > > 7) Sign-House-Planet (Stana-Bhava-Graha :- Sign-House-

Planet

> > > > prediction)

> > > > For eg: If (take our above eg.) Ju the 6th lord for Cn

> Asc

> > is

> > > in

> > > > Cp then we give some prediction.

> > > > If we are well aware of this system used by the Rishis,

> what

> > is

> > > > the purpose and use of concepts like "Benefic x

> > MalificSustana

> > > x

> > > > Dustana"? We just use them in general discussions to avoid

> > > details.

> > > > I hope the point is clear. Should be now again argue that Ju

> is

> > > > benefic or Malefic, and Ma is benefic or malefic?? And still

> > reach

> > > no

> > > > compromise and no conclusion? Let us try to learn and

> > predict,

> > > > rather than getting entrapped in such controversies.

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > , "crystal pages"

> > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I do not see my role or responsibility here, dear member,

to

> > > > provide

> > > > > examples to support or refute interesting theories people

> come

> > > up

> > > > > with :-) It lies squarely on the broad shoulders of the

> brave

> > > > > proponent!

> > > > >

> > > > > Speaking of clarity in messages to which you and a couple

> > others

> > > > keep

> > > > > alluding to -- there is that saying about the pot calling

> the

> > > > kettle

> > > > > black or maybe it is the kettle that calls the pot so --

> > etc. ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi RR,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Well it is good to read 2 good mails that can be read

> with

> > > ease

> > > > > by anyone.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here i felt u wud come up examples galore on Guru as a

> > > Malefic

> > > > or

> > > > > sign spoiler if this was the accepted or pouplar norm, I

> > still

> > > > leave

> > > > > the field open for u and any1 who belives so to put such

> > charts

> > > on

> > > > > the forum easy to handle that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If it is about it not being a malefic I am sure many

> will

> > > chip

> > > > in

> > > > > I will do my part ASAP..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bottom line if Guru is a benific their lives may not be

> as

> > > > > interesting to read as Bill Gates, Marlyn Manro, Dhribhai

> > > Ambani,

> > > > > Michel Jackson, Laloo Prsad Yadav etc.

> > > > > > u can see a Lal Bahudur Shastry, Manmohan Singh type

> > people

> > > in

> > > > > it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > PRASHANT

> > > > > >

> > > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So that clarity does not get watered down. I was taken by

> > > your

> > > > > strong statement of conviction that opposed the "notions"

> > that

> > > > > astrologers have, namely that jupiter destroys the house it

> is

> > > in

> > > > or

> > > > > can be a malefic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The strong statement from you made me assume,

naturally,

> > > that

> > > > > your conviction was born out of having seen strong

evidence

> > in

> > > > > charts and

> > > > > > which you may wish to share so that we can see your

> > > statement

> > > > > illustrated. As a general statement, please note that this

> was

> > a

> > > > > simple request which need not get anyone on the defensive,

> > etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope that was clear and not too painful to figure out :-

> )

> > > And

> > > > > clarity was the sole reason for my focusing only on one

> > segment

> > > of

> > > > > your longer post.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Prashant Kumar

> G

> > B

> > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > HiRR,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > pretty fast though.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > well i assume u mean that it is a malefic and not

> may

> > > > > examples of

> > > > > > it beingbenific right?

> > > > > > > I said it is benefic in past Yogas and in present

if

> u

> > r

> > > > > prepared

> > > > > > to wait till it delivers, and also if one remain

> honest,

> > > > > selfless,

> > > > > > as human as possible

> > > > > > > not possibe in the commercial, materialsitic world

> we

> > r

> > > > in,

> > > > > so

> > > > > > the varoiuos exaples I said if we don't bribe...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > if u find unseccessful people by which i mean one

> how

> > > has

> > > > not

> > > > > > made a fortune, u can pick his Guru for it.

> > > > > > > for people who succed by hook or crook GURU is a

> pure

> > > > > malefic,

> > > > > > not sure if I have to repeat it again or with charts

> sure

> > > will

> > > > > then

> > > > > > some moderator will say no personal charts, openions

if

> u

> > > > allow

> > > > > it

> > > > > > can put them accross. SURE.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > anyway am happy u clipped some part of the mail and

> > > wrote

> > > > > back

> > > > > > else would be in circles on what u meant.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > any way for record sake my paternal grandfather was

> an

> > > > > atheist,

> > > > > > my father is a rationalist, and I can say I AM MIiX

of

> > > > > > rationalst+traditionalist but know our forefathers r

far

> > > > better

> > > > > > people highly evolved we have no way of judging them

> even

> > > the

> > > > > ones

> > > > > > who failed in the normal standards.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > so I am only trying to understand our traditions,

> > values

> > > > with

> > > > > an

> > > > > > OPEN MIND. and still reasoning it with our current

> needs,

> > > > values.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Prashant

> > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bravo!

> > > > > > > We would welcome your posting several birthdata

> > refuting

> > > > this

> > > > > age-

> > > > > > old but not quite corroborated 'notion' to align with

> > your

> > > > bold

> > > > > > statement

> > > > > > > and astrological conviction!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dhanyavaad

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Prashant

> > Kumar

> > > G B

> > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the

> house

> > > he

> > > > is

> > > > > in

> > > > > > or is a malefic etc.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

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> > > AND

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April 2, 2006

RRji, luckily *I've* been talking about astrology. I don't know what you're

insinuating...;-)

Jokes aside, I have been thinking after seeing Tatvam Asi-ji's analysis of

Guru messing up the happiness sector and then upon observing the position of

Shani in the enemy sector; seems as if no matter how many other planets are

positive in a chart, one or two such powerful planets can make or break any

remotely positive advances in my chart...Is happiness ever-elusive for me? :-(

Perhaps I'm interpreting it incorrectly ?

crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote:

Seriously now - if you let us do surgery on your chart and birthtime

and ayanamsha etc -- I am sure one or other of us would be able to

move your saturn from 6th into 7th!

Umm.. err.. you are not planning to get married, I hope or try to

come out of your office to meet with the others ...! That could be a

problem! I am sure there is a remedy to fix that somewhere.

Enough of this chitchat B-) you want to get the two of us thrown out

of here or what?

RR

, Nirmal Anand <nirdayita

wrote:

>

> RRji, then I am CERTAINLY doomed since I watch no television. I

have lost some ripus recently...the sukha is taking a while. I'll

pass on the excitement of it all...and settle for some good old

fashioned boring happiness ;-)

>

> crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: no your ripus will be

doomed for jupiter will cork them!

> But your sukh will vanish too. After all, who can remain happy

(4th)

> if ripus vanish altogether. That would be so boring, no? All that

> would remain then would be meditating for more hours or watching

> cable TV (a form of neomeditation!) ;-)

>

> RR

>

> , Nirmal Anand <nirdayita@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Gosh, would that mean if I have Guru in my Sukhasthana (4th

house)

> and Shani in my Ripusthana (6th house) - I'm doomed????

> >

> > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote: Respected Pandit Arjun ji,

> > Very succinct. It is all in the mind. How we perceive is all that

> > matters. maleficness and benignity are all as a native perceives

> > them to be and relative. Sreenadh ji is right when says planets,

no

> > let me be clear, grahas cannot be branded benefic or malefic .

> > Regards

> > Nalini

> > , "panditarjun2004"

> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear sreenadh ji

> > >

> > > you wrote:

> > > "A planet is neither benefic or malefic but only a significator

> or

> > > several things. And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic

> or

> > > malefic."

> > >

> > > scientifically, based on astronomy, the above statement is a

FACT

> > > which none can deny.

> > >

> > > however, astrology and mythology (not literally mythical!)

based

> > on

> > > puranas and samhitas teach planets and stars as persons and not

> > > celestial objects. in mythology chandra is a male and in

> > astrology

> > > chandra is a female.

> > >

> > > science looks at planets as lifeless objects or a mass or ball

of

> > > chemicals, gases and other susbtances. mythology looks at

> planets

> > > as gods and demons signifying various dispositions direclty

> > > affecting all humans.

> > >

> > > as you rightly observed, instead of branding a planet as

benefic

> > or

> > > malefic, we shall focus more on their dispositions, for what is

> > good

> > > for one is perceived by another as bad. one person sees a wife

> as

> > > bringing good luck, wealth and material comforts, a realised

> > person

> > > sees a wife as maya and prefer brahmacharyam and renouncement

and

> > > yet another realised person see direct goddess in her. in all

> the

> > > three cases, jupiter has his own role but perceptions of the

> > native

> > > in receiving the dispositions are different.

> > >

> > > with best wishes

> > > arjun

> > >

> > > , "Sreenadh" <sreelid@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > I know that Ju in Cp being the 6th lord in Debilitation can

> be

> > a

> > > > real malefic as far as married life is concerned. It becomes

a

> > > very

> > > > strong Stana-Bhava-Graha (Sign-House-Planet) prediction and

the

> > > > classics supports it with slokas. Jataka Chandrika (also

known

> > as

> > > > Leghu parasari) says that Ju, when placed in a marka stana

(2nd

> > or

> > > > 7th house) can cause death if it is a Kendradhipati.

> > > > Sa, Ma or Su can give very good results when exalted and

well

> > > placed

> > > > and thus becomes a benefic. After all Benefic means - A

> > planet

> > > > that gives good results and Malefic means - A planet that

gives

> > > bad

> > > > results.

> > > > Should I start a new controversy by stating that "A planet

is

> > > > neither benefic or malefic but only a significator or several

> > > things.

> > > > And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic or malefic.

> What

> > > is

> > > > important is understanding the predictions that should be

given

> > to

> > > > each combination" ???!! Shall I add some spice to it by

stating

> > > that

> > > > classifications such as "Benefic x MaleficSustana x

Dustana"

> > > are

> > > > just descriptive techniques developed to teach the subject,

> > which

> > > > later caused all the troubles and confusions"?!!

> > > > Yap. I know I have already made the statement!!

> > > > Now let us modify it, so that the idea becomes clear.

> > > > Combinations (Yoga) that are used for prediction could be of

7

> > > > types. The whole astrology uses a 7-fold prediction system.

> > > > 1) Sign (Stana Phala :- sign based prediction)

> > > > For eg :Divisions of signs as Fire, Air etc, Chara,

Stira,

> > > etc.

> > > > 2) House (Bhava phala :- house based prediction)

> > > > For eg: If 4th lord is placed in 6th we give some

> > > predictions.

> > > > 3) Planet (Graha phala :- planet based prediction)

> > > > For eg: If Su and Me is together we give some prediction.

> > > > 4) Sign-House (Stana - Bhava :- Sign-House based prediction)

> > > > For eg: If Ge is 3rd house from Asc we give some

> prediction.

> > > > 5) Sign-Planet (Stana-Graha :- Sign-Planet based prediction)

> > > > For eg: If Mo is in Tarus we give some prediction.

> > > > 6) House-Planet (Bhava-Graha :- House-Planet based

prediction)

> > > > For eg: If Me is in 2nd house we give some prediction.

> > > > 7) Sign-House-Planet (Stana-Bhava-Graha :- Sign-House-

Planet

> > > > prediction)

> > > > For eg: If (take our above eg.) Ju the 6th lord for Cn

Asc

> > is

> > > in

> > > > Cp then we give some prediction.

> > > > If we are well aware of this system used by the Rishis,

what

> > is

> > > > the purpose and use of concepts like "Benefic x

> > MalificSustana

> > > x

> > > > Dustana"? We just use them in general discussions to avoid

> > > details.

> > > > I hope the point is clear. Should be now again argue that Ju

> is

> > > > benefic or Malefic, and Ma is benefic or malefic?? And still

> > reach

> > > no

> > > > compromise and no conclusion? Let us try to learn and

> > predict,

> > > > rather than getting entrapped in such controversies.

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > , "crystal pages"

> > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I do not see my role or responsibility here, dear member,

to

> > > > provide

> > > > > examples to support or refute interesting theories people

> come

> > > up

> > > > > with :-) It lies squarely on the broad shoulders of the

brave

> > > > > proponent!

> > > > >

> > > > > Speaking of clarity in messages to which you and a couple

> > others

> > > > keep

> > > > > alluding to -- there is that saying about the pot calling

the

> > > > kettle

> > > > > black or maybe it is the kettle that calls the pot so --

> > etc. ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi RR,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Well it is good to read 2 good mails that can be read

> with

> > > ease

> > > > > by anyone.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here i felt u wud come up examples galore on Guru as a

> > > Malefic

> > > > or

> > > > > sign spoiler if this was the accepted or pouplar norm, I

> > still

> > > > leave

> > > > > the field open for u and any1 who belives so to put such

> > charts

> > > on

> > > > > the forum easy to handle that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If it is about it not being a malefic I am sure many

will

> > > chip

> > > > in

> > > > > I will do my part ASAP..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bottom line if Guru is a benific their lives may not be

> as

> > > > > interesting to read as Bill Gates, Marlyn Manro, Dhribhai

> > > Ambani,

> > > > > Michel Jackson, Laloo Prsad Yadav etc.

> > > > > > u can see a Lal Bahudur Shastry, Manmohan Singh type

> > people

> > > in

> > > > > it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > PRASHANT

> > > > > >

> > > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So that clarity does not get watered down. I was taken by

> > > your

> > > > > strong statement of conviction that opposed the "notions"

> > that

> > > > > astrologers have, namely that jupiter destroys the house it

> is

> > > in

> > > > or

> > > > > can be a malefic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The strong statement from you made me assume,

naturally,

> > > that

> > > > > your conviction was born out of having seen strong

evidence

> > in

> > > > > charts and

> > > > > > which you may wish to share so that we can see your

> > > statement

> > > > > illustrated. As a general statement, please note that this

> was

> > a

> > > > > simple request which need not get anyone on the defensive,

> > etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope that was clear and not too painful to figure out :-

)

> > > And

> > > > > clarity was the sole reason for my focusing only on one

> > segment

> > > of

> > > > > your longer post.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Prashant Kumar

G

> > B

> > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > HiRR,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > pretty fast though.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > well i assume u mean that it is a malefic and not

may

> > > > > examples of

> > > > > > it beingbenific right?

> > > > > > > I said it is benefic in past Yogas and in present

if

> u

> > r

> > > > > prepared

> > > > > > to wait till it delivers, and also if one remain

honest,

> > > > > selfless,

> > > > > > as human as possible

> > > > > > > not possibe in the commercial, materialsitic world

we

> > r

> > > > in,

> > > > > so

> > > > > > the varoiuos exaples I said if we don't bribe...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > if u find unseccessful people by which i mean one

how

> > > has

> > > > not

> > > > > > made a fortune, u can pick his Guru for it.

> > > > > > > for people who succed by hook or crook GURU is a

pure

> > > > > malefic,

> > > > > > not sure if I have to repeat it again or with charts

> sure

> > > will

> > > > > then

> > > > > > some moderator will say no personal charts, openions

if

> u

> > > > allow

> > > > > it

> > > > > > can put them accross. SURE.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > anyway am happy u clipped some part of the mail and

> > > wrote

> > > > > back

> > > > > > else would be in circles on what u meant.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > any way for record sake my paternal grandfather was

> an

> > > > > atheist,

> > > > > > my father is a rationalist, and I can say I AM MIiX

of

> > > > > > rationalst+traditionalist but know our forefathers r

far

> > > > better

> > > > > > people highly evolved we have no way of judging them

even

> > > the

> > > > > ones

> > > > > > who failed in the normal standards.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > so I am only trying to understand our traditions,

> > values

> > > > with

> > > > > an

> > > > > > OPEN MIND. and still reasoning it with our current

> needs,

> > > > values.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Prashant

> > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bravo!

> > > > > > > We would welcome your posting several birthdata

> > refuting

> > > > this

> > > > > age-

> > > > > > old but not quite corroborated 'notion' to align with

> > your

> > > > bold

> > > > > > statement

> > > > > > > and astrological conviction!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dhanyavaad

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Prashant

> > Kumar

> > > G B

> > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the

> house

> > > he

> > > > is

> > > > > in

> > > > > > or is a malefic etc.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> > DIVINITY

> > > AND

> > > > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

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April 2, 2006

Dear Naliniji,

I was always told my chart was exceptional and yet here I am chasing the

butterfly of happiness. How many more swamps will it lead me through ? :-) The

masala analogy is excellent; what do I do when there's an abudance of haldi and

hing in my preparation though ????? Here's my info:

6.40 am on March 1st, 1977 in Mumbai :-)

N

auromirra19 <nalini2818 wrote:

Now, now , now Nirmalji. If everyone who has the combination is

ruined, where is the fun, the real masala( pardon me for a transient

irreverance, coudnt resist it) lies in the combinations/proportions

and portions of the other ingredients. There lies the secret of the

recipe- and no dish tastes alike mind you. Btw could never

understand how pongal used to taste the same any time any day in a

particular restaurant.

best Wishes

Nalini

, Nirmal Anand

<nirdayita wrote:

>

> Gosh, would that mean if I have Guru in my Sukhasthana (4th house)

and Shani in my Ripusthana (6th house) - I'm doomed????

>

> auromirra19 <nalini2818 wrote: Respected Pandit Arjun ji,

> Very succinct. It is all in the mind. How we perceive is all that

> matters. maleficness and benignity are all as a native perceives

> them to be and relative. Sreenadh ji is right when says planets,

no

> let me be clear, grahas cannot be branded benefic or malefic .

> Regards

> Nalini

> , "panditarjun2004"

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear sreenadh ji

> >

> > you wrote:

> > "A planet is neither benefic or malefic but only a significator

or

> > several things. And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic

or

> > malefic."

> >

> > scientifically, based on astronomy, the above statement is a

FACT

> > which none can deny.

> >

> > however, astrology and mythology (not literally mythical!) based

> on

> > puranas and samhitas teach planets and stars as persons and not

> > celestial objects. in mythology chandra is a male and in

> astrology

> > chandra is a female.

> >

> > science looks at planets as lifeless objects or a mass or ball

of

> > chemicals, gases and other susbtances. mythology looks at

planets

> > as gods and demons signifying various dispositions direclty

> > affecting all humans.

> >

> > as you rightly observed, instead of branding a planet as benefic

> or

> > malefic, we shall focus more on their dispositions, for what is

> good

> > for one is perceived by another as bad. one person sees a wife

as

> > bringing good luck, wealth and material comforts, a realised

> person

> > sees a wife as maya and prefer brahmacharyam and renouncement

and

> > yet another realised person see direct goddess in her. in all

the

> > three cases, jupiter has his own role but perceptions of the

> native

> > in receiving the dispositions are different.

> >

> > with best wishes

> > arjun

> >

> > , "Sreenadh" <sreelid@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > > I know that Ju in Cp being the 6th lord in Debilitation can

be

> a

> > > real malefic as far as married life is concerned. It becomes a

> > very

> > > strong Stana-Bhava-Graha (Sign-House-Planet) prediction and

the

> > > classics supports it with slokas. Jataka Chandrika (also known

> as

> > > Leghu parasari) says that Ju, when placed in a marka stana

(2nd

> or

> > > 7th house) can cause death if it is a Kendradhipati.

> > > Sa, Ma or Su can give very good results when exalted and well

> > placed

> > > and thus becomes a benefic. After all Benefic means - A

> planet

> > > that gives good results and Malefic means - A planet that

gives

> > bad

> > > results.

> > > Should I start a new controversy by stating that "A planet is

> > > neither benefic or malefic but only a significator or several

> > things.

> > > And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic or malefic.

What

> > is

> > > important is understanding the predictions that should be

given

> to

> > > each combination" ???!! Shall I add some spice to it by

stating

> > that

> > > classifications such as "Benefic x MaleficSustana x

Dustana"

> > are

> > > just descriptive techniques developed to teach the subject,

> which

> > > later caused all the troubles and confusions"?!!

> > > Yap. I know I have already made the statement!!

> > > Now let us modify it, so that the idea becomes clear.

> > > Combinations (Yoga) that are used for prediction could be of

7

> > > types. The whole astrology uses a 7-fold prediction system.

> > > 1) Sign (Stana Phala :- sign based prediction)

> > > For eg :Divisions of signs as Fire, Air etc, Chara,

Stira,

> > etc.

> > > 2) House (Bhava phala :- house based prediction)

> > > For eg: If 4th lord is placed in 6th we give some

> > predictions.

> > > 3) Planet (Graha phala :- planet based prediction)

> > > For eg: If Su and Me is together we give some prediction.

> > > 4) Sign-House (Stana - Bhava :- Sign-House based prediction)

> > > For eg: If Ge is 3rd house from Asc we give some

prediction.

> > > 5) Sign-Planet (Stana-Graha :- Sign-Planet based prediction)

> > > For eg: If Mo is in Tarus we give some prediction.

> > > 6) House-Planet (Bhava-Graha :- House-Planet based

prediction)

> > > For eg: If Me is in 2nd house we give some prediction.

> > > 7) Sign-House-Planet (Stana-Bhava-Graha :- Sign-House-Planet

> > > prediction)

> > > For eg: If (take our above eg.) Ju the 6th lord for Cn

Asc

> is

> > in

> > > Cp then we give some prediction.

> > > If we are well aware of this system used by the Rishis,

what

> is

> > > the purpose and use of concepts like "Benefic x

> MalificSustana

> > x

> > > Dustana"? We just use them in general discussions to avoid

> > details.

> > > I hope the point is clear. Should be now again argue that Ju

is

> > > benefic or Malefic, and Ma is benefic or malefic?? And still

> reach

> > no

> > > compromise and no conclusion? Let us try to learn and

> predict,

> > > rather than getting entrapped in such controversies.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , "crystal pages"

> > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I do not see my role or responsibility here, dear member, to

> > > provide

> > > > examples to support or refute interesting theories people

come

> > up

> > > > with :-) It lies squarely on the broad shoulders of the

brave

> > > > proponent!

> > > >

> > > > Speaking of clarity in messages to which you and a couple

> others

> > > keep

> > > > alluding to -- there is that saying about the pot calling

the

> > > kettle

> > > > black or maybe it is the kettle that calls the pot so --

> etc. ;-)

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi RR,

> > > > >

> > > > > Well it is good to read 2 good mails that can be read

with

> > ease

> > > > by anyone.

> > > > >

> > > > > Here i felt u wud come up examples galore on Guru as a

> > Malefic

> > > or

> > > > sign spoiler if this was the accepted or pouplar norm, I

> still

> > > leave

> > > > the field open for u and any1 who belives so to put such

> charts

> > on

> > > > the forum easy to handle that.

> > > > >

> > > > > If it is about it not being a malefic I am sure many

will

> > chip

> > > in

> > > > I will do my part ASAP..

> > > > >

> > > > > Bottom line if Guru is a benific their lives may not be

as

> > > > interesting to read as Bill Gates, Marlyn Manro, Dhribhai

> > Ambani,

> > > > Michel Jackson, Laloo Prsad Yadav etc.

> > > > > u can see a Lal Bahudur Shastry, Manmohan Singh type

> people

> > in

> > > > it.

> > > > >

> > > > > PRASHANT

> > > > >

> > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > > >

> > > > > So that clarity does not get watered down. I was taken by

> > your

> > > > strong statement of conviction that opposed the "notions"

> that

> > > > astrologers have, namely that jupiter destroys the house it

is

> > in

> > > or

> > > > can be a malefic.

> > > > >

> > > > > The strong statement from you made me assume, naturally,

> > that

> > > > your conviction was born out of having seen strong evidence

> in

> > > > charts and

> > > > > which you may wish to share so that we can see your

> > statement

> > > > illustrated. As a general statement, please note that this

was

> a

> > > > simple request which need not get anyone on the defensive,

> etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope that was clear and not too painful to figure out :-

)

> > And

> > > > clarity was the sole reason for my focusing only on one

> segment

> > of

> > > > your longer post.

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , Prashant Kumar

G

> B

> > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > HiRR,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > pretty fast though.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > well i assume u mean that it is a malefic and not

may

> > > > examples of

> > > > > it beingbenific right?

> > > > > > I said it is benefic in past Yogas and in present if

u

> r

> > > > prepared

> > > > > to wait till it delivers, and also if one remain

honest,

> > > > selfless,

> > > > > as human as possible

> > > > > > not possibe in the commercial, materialsitic world

we

> r

> > > in,

> > > > so

> > > > > the varoiuos exaples I said if we don't bribe...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > if u find unseccessful people by which i mean one

how

> > has

> > > not

> > > > > made a fortune, u can pick his Guru for it.

> > > > > > for people who succed by hook or crook GURU is a

pure

> > > > malefic,

> > > > > not sure if I have to repeat it again or with charts

sure

> > will

> > > > then

> > > > > some moderator will say no personal charts, openions if

u

> > > allow

> > > > it

> > > > > can put them accross. SURE.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > anyway am happy u clipped some part of the mail and

> > wrote

> > > > back

> > > > > else would be in circles on what u meant.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > any way for record sake my paternal grandfather was

an

> > > > atheist,

> > > > > my father is a rationalist, and I can say I AM MIiX of

> > > > > rationalst+traditionalist but know our forefathers r far

> > > better

> > > > > people highly evolved we have no way of judging them

even

> > the

> > > > ones

> > > > > who failed in the normal standards.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > so I am only trying to understand our traditions,

> values

> > > with

> > > > an

> > > > > OPEN MIND. and still reasoning it with our current

needs,

> > > values.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Prashant

> > > > > > prashant

> > > > > >

> > > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bravo!

> > > > > > We would welcome your posting several birthdata

> refuting

> > > this

> > > > age-

> > > > > old but not quite corroborated 'notion' to align with

> your

> > > bold

> > > > > statement

> > > > > > and astrological conviction!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dhanyavaad

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Prashant

> Kumar

> > G B

> > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the

house

> > he

> > > is

> > > > in

> > > > > or is a malefic etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> DIVINITY

> > AND

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dear madam,

Sreenadh ji is very affirmative in classifying planets as benific etc.the fact

is no planet is malefic and benific except when results were found to be

negative from dasa point of view.we want something to happen from our point of

view and some ahere some astrologer too must have inspired us to

expect.ultimately we find ourselves disappointed as our hopes never materialise

and satisfy us.so we say jupiter has given despair.when we link this state with

principles of jyotish we have lot of expalnation available from grahabala etc

let's somehow reconcile that application of jyotish from the point of view

accuaracy in predictions.it always elusive.Even I have my teachers to hesitant

to claims as par excellent predictions.This controversy of benific,malefic

continues unabated even if jyotish principle are made ample clear

krishnan

auromirra19 <nalini2818 wrote:

Respected Pandit Arjun ji,

Very succinct. It is all in the mind. How we perceive is all that

matters. maleficness and benignity are all as a native perceives

them to be and relative. Sreenadh ji is right when says planets, no

let me be clear, grahas cannot be branded benefic or malefic .

Regards

Nalini

, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear sreenadh ji

>

> you wrote:

> "A planet is neither benefic or malefic but only a significator or

> several things. And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic or

> malefic."

>

> scientifically, based on astronomy, the above statement is a FACT

> which none can deny.

>

> however, astrology and mythology (not literally mythical!) based

on

> puranas and samhitas teach planets and stars as persons and not

> celestial objects. in mythology chandra is a male and in

astrology

> chandra is a female.

>

> science looks at planets as lifeless objects or a mass or ball of

> chemicals, gases and other susbtances. mythology looks at planets

> as gods and demons signifying various dispositions direclty

> affecting all humans.

>

> as you rightly observed, instead of branding a planet as benefic

or

> malefic, we shall focus more on their dispositions, for what is

good

> for one is perceived by another as bad. one person sees a wife as

> bringing good luck, wealth and material comforts, a realised

person

> sees a wife as maya and prefer brahmacharyam and renouncement and

> yet another realised person see direct goddess in her. in all the

> three cases, jupiter has his own role but perceptions of the

native

> in receiving the dispositions are different.

>

> with best wishes

> arjun

>

> , "Sreenadh" <sreelid@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > I know that Ju in Cp being the 6th lord in Debilitation can be

a

> > real malefic as far as married life is concerned. It becomes a

> very

> > strong Stana-Bhava-Graha (Sign-House-Planet) prediction and the

> > classics supports it with slokas. Jataka Chandrika (also known

as

> > Leghu parasari) says that Ju, when placed in a marka stana (2nd

or

> > 7th house) can cause death if it is a Kendradhipati.

> > Sa, Ma or Su can give very good results when exalted and well

> placed

> > and thus becomes a benefic. After all Benefic means - A

planet

> > that gives good results and Malefic means - A planet that gives

> bad

> > results.

> > Should I start a new controversy by stating that "A planet is

> > neither benefic or malefic but only a significator or several

> things.

> > And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic or malefic. What

> is

> > important is understanding the predictions that should be given

to

> > each combination" ???!! Shall I add some spice to it by stating

> that

> > classifications such as "Benefic x MaleficSustana x Dustana"

> are

> > just descriptive techniques developed to teach the subject,

which

> > later caused all the troubles and confusions"?!!

> > Yap. I know I have already made the statement!!

> > Now let us modify it, so that the idea becomes clear.

> > Combinations (Yoga) that are used for prediction could be of 7

> > types. The whole astrology uses a 7-fold prediction system.

> > 1) Sign (Stana Phala :- sign based prediction)

> > For eg :Divisions of signs as Fire, Air etc, Chara, Stira,

> etc.

> > 2) House (Bhava phala :- house based prediction)

> > For eg: If 4th lord is placed in 6th we give some

> predictions.

> > 3) Planet (Graha phala :- planet based prediction)

> > For eg: If Su and Me is together we give some prediction.

> > 4) Sign-House (Stana - Bhava :- Sign-House based prediction)

> > For eg: If Ge is 3rd house from Asc we give some prediction.

> > 5) Sign-Planet (Stana-Graha :- Sign-Planet based prediction)

> > For eg: If Mo is in Tarus we give some prediction.

> > 6) House-Planet (Bhava-Graha :- House-Planet based prediction)

> > For eg: If Me is in 2nd house we give some prediction.

> > 7) Sign-House-Planet (Stana-Bhava-Graha :- Sign-House-Planet

> > prediction)

> > For eg: If (take our above eg.) Ju the 6th lord for Cn Asc

is

> in

> > Cp then we give some prediction.

> > If we are well aware of this system used by the Rishis, what

is

> > the purpose and use of concepts like "Benefic x

MalificSustana

> x

> > Dustana"? We just use them in general discussions to avoid

> details.

> > I hope the point is clear. Should be now again argue that Ju is

> > benefic or Malefic, and Ma is benefic or malefic?? And still

reach

> no

> > compromise and no conclusion? Let us try to learn and

predict,

> > rather than getting entrapped in such controversies.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , "crystal pages"

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I do not see my role or responsibility here, dear member, to

> > provide

> > > examples to support or refute interesting theories people come

> up

> > > with :-) It lies squarely on the broad shoulders of the brave

> > > proponent!

> > >

> > > Speaking of clarity in messages to which you and a couple

others

> > keep

> > > alluding to -- there is that saying about the pot calling the

> > kettle

> > > black or maybe it is the kettle that calls the pot so --

etc. ;-)

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi RR,

> > > >

> > > > Well it is good to read 2 good mails that can be read with

> ease

> > > by anyone.

> > > >

> > > > Here i felt u wud come up examples galore on Guru as a

> Malefic

> > or

> > > sign spoiler if this was the accepted or pouplar norm, I

still

> > leave

> > > the field open for u and any1 who belives so to put such

charts

> on

> > > the forum easy to handle that.

> > > >

> > > > If it is about it not being a malefic I am sure many will

> chip

> > in

> > > I will do my part ASAP..

> > > >

> > > > Bottom line if Guru is a benific their lives may not be as

> > > interesting to read as Bill Gates, Marlyn Manro, Dhribhai

> Ambani,

> > > Michel Jackson, Laloo Prsad Yadav etc.

> > > > u can see a Lal Bahudur Shastry, Manmohan Singh type

people

> in

> > > it.

> > > >

> > > > PRASHANT

> > > >

> > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > >

> > > > So that clarity does not get watered down. I was taken by

> your

> > > strong statement of conviction that opposed the "notions"

that

> > > astrologers have, namely that jupiter destroys the house it is

> in

> > or

> > > can be a malefic.

> > > >

> > > > The strong statement from you made me assume, naturally,

> that

> > > your conviction was born out of having seen strong evidence

in

> > > charts and

> > > > which you may wish to share so that we can see your

> statement

> > > illustrated. As a general statement, please note that this was

a

> > > simple request which need not get anyone on the defensive,

etc.

> > > >

> > > > Hope that was clear and not too painful to figure out :-)

> And

> > > clarity was the sole reason for my focusing only on one

segment

> of

> > > your longer post.

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , Prashant Kumar G

B

> > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > HiRR,

> > > > >

> > > > > pretty fast though.

> > > > >

> > > > > well i assume u mean that it is a malefic and not may

> > > examples of

> > > > it beingbenific right?

> > > > > I said it is benefic in past Yogas and in present if u

r

> > > prepared

> > > > to wait till it delivers, and also if one remain honest,

> > > selfless,

> > > > as human as possible

> > > > > not possibe in the commercial, materialsitic world we

r

> > in,

> > > so

> > > > the varoiuos exaples I said if we don't bribe...

> > > > >

> > > > > if u find unseccessful people by which i mean one how

> has

> > not

> > > > made a fortune, u can pick his Guru for it.

> > > > > for people who succed by hook or crook GURU is a pure

> > > malefic,

> > > > not sure if I have to repeat it again or with charts sure

> will

> > > then

> > > > some moderator will say no personal charts, openions if u

> > allow

> > > it

> > > > can put them accross. SURE.

> > > > >

> > > > > anyway am happy u clipped some part of the mail and

> wrote

> > > back

> > > > else would be in circles on what u meant.

> > > > >

> > > > > any way for record sake my paternal grandfather was an

> > > atheist,

> > > > my father is a rationalist, and I can say I AM MIiX of

> > > > rationalst+traditionalist but know our forefathers r far

> > better

> > > > people highly evolved we have no way of judging them even

> the

> > > ones

> > > > who failed in the normal standards.

> > > > >

> > > > > so I am only trying to understand our traditions,

values

> > with

> > > an

> > > > OPEN MIND. and still reasoning it with our current needs,

> > values.

> > > > >

> > > > > Prashant

> > > > > prashant

> > > > >

> > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > > >

> > > > > Bravo!

> > > > > We would welcome your posting several birthdata

refuting

> > this

> > > age-

> > > > old but not quite corroborated 'notion' to align with

your

> > bold

> > > > statement

> > > > > and astrological conviction!

> > > > >

> > > > > Dhanyavaad

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , Prashant

Kumar

> G B

> > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the house

> he

> > is

> > > in

> > > > or is a malefic etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

DIVINITY

> AND

> > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > >

> Vedic

> > > > astrology

> Astrology

> > > > chart Astrology

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Dear Shri Pandit Arjun ji,

what ever expalnation logically make and afford is o.k but the forum has it's

own way of making sounds."jupiter has his own role but perceptions of the

native".The question how ever remians how do we bridge the gap between what

really is supposed to have happened and how the native at other end is satisfied

with these parrots if not pot bellies.

we always confound issues as we always identify ourselves living in a

scietific world.This also is a kind of maya as we are never consistent in our

own percetons.

By considering planets as life less objects(scientifically) we tend to be awy

from reverred expalnation worked out by sages.Even our sages too were not having

different views and their explanations about cosmic universe is really

fanatastic and convincing.Mythology or puranas becomes very handy when we fail

to work our jyotish predictions mathematically.Point where westren jyotishies

differ from our own theories and would like to cahnge their orientation of

astrology.

krishnan

auromirra19 <nalini2818 wrote:

Respected Pandit Arjun ji,

Very succinct. It is all in the mind. How we perceive is all that

matters. maleficness and benignity are all as a native perceives

them to be and relative. Sreenadh ji is right when says planets, no

let me be clear, grahas cannot be branded benefic or malefic .

Regards

Nalini

, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear sreenadh ji

>

> you wrote:

> "A planet is neither benefic or malefic but only a significator or

> several things. And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic or

> malefic."

>

> scientifically, based on astronomy, the above statement is a FACT

> which none can deny.

>

> however, astrology and mythology (not literally mythical!) based

on

> puranas and samhitas teach planets and stars as persons and not

> celestial objects. in mythology chandra is a male and in

astrology

> chandra is a female.

>

> science looks at planets as lifeless objects or a mass or ball of

> chemicals, gases and other susbtances. mythology looks at planets

> as gods and demons signifying various dispositions direclty

> affecting all humans.

>

> as you rightly observed, instead of branding a planet as benefic

or

> malefic, we shall focus more on their dispositions, for what is

good

> for one is perceived by another as bad. one person sees a wife as

> bringing good luck, wealth and material comforts, a realised

person

> sees a wife as maya and prefer brahmacharyam and renouncement and

> yet another realised person see direct goddess in her. in all the

> three cases, jupiter has his own role but perceptions of the

native

> in receiving the dispositions are different.

>

> with best wishes

> arjun

>

> , "Sreenadh" <sreelid@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > I know that Ju in Cp being the 6th lord in Debilitation can be

a

> > real malefic as far as married life is concerned. It becomes a

> very

> > strong Stana-Bhava-Graha (Sign-House-Planet) prediction and the

> > classics supports it with slokas. Jataka Chandrika (also known

as

> > Leghu parasari) says that Ju, when placed in a marka stana (2nd

or

> > 7th house) can cause death if it is a Kendradhipati.

> > Sa, Ma or Su can give very good results when exalted and well

> placed

> > and thus becomes a benefic. After all Benefic means - A

planet

> > that gives good results and Malefic means - A planet that gives

> bad

> > results.

> > Should I start a new controversy by stating that "A planet is

> > neither benefic or malefic but only a significator or several

> things.

> > And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic or malefic. What

> is

> > important is understanding the predictions that should be given

to

> > each combination" ???!! Shall I add some spice to it by stating

> that

> > classifications such as "Benefic x MaleficSustana x Dustana"

> are

> > just descriptive techniques developed to teach the subject,

which

> > later caused all the troubles and confusions"?!!

> > Yap. I know I have already made the statement!!

> > Now let us modify it, so that the idea becomes clear.

> > Combinations (Yoga) that are used for prediction could be of 7

> > types. The whole astrology uses a 7-fold prediction system.

> > 1) Sign (Stana Phala :- sign based prediction)

> > For eg :Divisions of signs as Fire, Air etc, Chara, Stira,

> etc.

> > 2) House (Bhava phala :- house based prediction)

> > For eg: If 4th lord is placed in 6th we give some

> predictions.

> > 3) Planet (Graha phala :- planet based prediction)

> > For eg: If Su and Me is together we give some prediction.

> > 4) Sign-House (Stana - Bhava :- Sign-House based prediction)

> > For eg: If Ge is 3rd house from Asc we give some prediction.

> > 5) Sign-Planet (Stana-Graha :- Sign-Planet based prediction)

> > For eg: If Mo is in Tarus we give some prediction.

> > 6) House-Planet (Bhava-Graha :- House-Planet based prediction)

> > For eg: If Me is in 2nd house we give some prediction.

> > 7) Sign-House-Planet (Stana-Bhava-Graha :- Sign-House-Planet

> > prediction)

> > For eg: If (take our above eg.) Ju the 6th lord for Cn Asc

is

> in

> > Cp then we give some prediction.

> > If we are well aware of this system used by the Rishis, what

is

> > the purpose and use of concepts like "Benefic x

MalificSustana

> x

> > Dustana"? We just use them in general discussions to avoid

> details.

> > I hope the point is clear. Should be now again argue that Ju is

> > benefic or Malefic, and Ma is benefic or malefic?? And still

reach

> no

> > compromise and no conclusion? Let us try to learn and

predict,

> > rather than getting entrapped in such controversies.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , "crystal pages"

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I do not see my role or responsibility here, dear member, to

> > provide

> > > examples to support or refute interesting theories people come

> up

> > > with :-) It lies squarely on the broad shoulders of the brave

> > > proponent!

> > >

> > > Speaking of clarity in messages to which you and a couple

others

> > keep

> > > alluding to -- there is that saying about the pot calling the

> > kettle

> > > black or maybe it is the kettle that calls the pot so --

etc. ;-)

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi RR,

> > > >

> > > > Well it is good to read 2 good mails that can be read with

> ease

> > > by anyone.

> > > >

> > > > Here i felt u wud come up examples galore on Guru as a

> Malefic

> > or

> > > sign spoiler if this was the accepted or pouplar norm, I

still

> > leave

> > > the field open for u and any1 who belives so to put such

charts

> on

> > > the forum easy to handle that.

> > > >

> > > > If it is about it not being a malefic I am sure many will

> chip

> > in

> > > I will do my part ASAP..

> > > >

> > > > Bottom line if Guru is a benific their lives may not be as

> > > interesting to read as Bill Gates, Marlyn Manro, Dhribhai

> Ambani,

> > > Michel Jackson, Laloo Prsad Yadav etc.

> > > > u can see a Lal Bahudur Shastry, Manmohan Singh type

people

> in

> > > it.

> > > >

> > > > PRASHANT

> > > >

> > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > >

> > > > So that clarity does not get watered down. I was taken by

> your

> > > strong statement of conviction that opposed the "notions"

that

> > > astrologers have, namely that jupiter destroys the house it is

> in

> > or

> > > can be a malefic.

> > > >

> > > > The strong statement from you made me assume, naturally,

> that

> > > your conviction was born out of having seen strong evidence

in

> > > charts and

> > > > which you may wish to share so that we can see your

> statement

> > > illustrated. As a general statement, please note that this was

a

> > > simple request which need not get anyone on the defensive,

etc.

> > > >

> > > > Hope that was clear and not too painful to figure out :-)

> And

> > > clarity was the sole reason for my focusing only on one

segment

> of

> > > your longer post.

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , Prashant Kumar G

B

> > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > HiRR,

> > > > >

> > > > > pretty fast though.

> > > > >

> > > > > well i assume u mean that it is a malefic and not may

> > > examples of

> > > > it beingbenific right?

> > > > > I said it is benefic in past Yogas and in present if u

r

> > > prepared

> > > > to wait till it delivers, and also if one remain honest,

> > > selfless,

> > > > as human as possible

> > > > > not possibe in the commercial, materialsitic world we

r

> > in,

> > > so

> > > > the varoiuos exaples I said if we don't bribe...

> > > > >

> > > > > if u find unseccessful people by which i mean one how

> has

> > not

> > > > made a fortune, u can pick his Guru for it.

> > > > > for people who succed by hook or crook GURU is a pure

> > > malefic,

> > > > not sure if I have to repeat it again or with charts sure

> will

> > > then

> > > > some moderator will say no personal charts, openions if u

> > allow

> > > it

> > > > can put them accross. SURE.

> > > > >

> > > > > anyway am happy u clipped some part of the mail and

> wrote

> > > back

> > > > else would be in circles on what u meant.

> > > > >

> > > > > any way for record sake my paternal grandfather was an

> > > atheist,

> > > > my father is a rationalist, and I can say I AM MIiX of

> > > > rationalst+traditionalist but know our forefathers r far

> > better

> > > > people highly evolved we have no way of judging them even

> the

> > > ones

> > > > who failed in the normal standards.

> > > > >

> > > > > so I am only trying to understand our traditions,

values

> > with

> > > an

> > > > OPEN MIND. and still reasoning it with our current needs,

> > values.

> > > > >

> > > > > Prashant

> > > > > prashant

> > > > >

> > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > > >

> > > > > Bravo!

> > > > > We would welcome your posting several birthdata

refuting

> > this

> > > age-

> > > > old but not quite corroborated 'notion' to align with

your

> > bold

> > > > statement

> > > > > and astrological conviction!

> > > > >

> > > > > Dhanyavaad

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , Prashant

Kumar

> G B

> > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the house

> he

> > is

> > > in

> > > > or is a malefic etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

DIVINITY

> AND

> > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > >

> Vedic

> > > > astrology

> Astrology

> > > > chart Astrology

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

software

>

> > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > > > >

> Terms

> > of

> > > > Service.

> > > > >

> > > > > Prashant

> > > > >

> > > > > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone

Calls

> > > using

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> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY

AND

> > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > >

> > > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > > >

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April 2, 2006

But Krishnanji, that is exactly how I see it and have stated so. NO

planet is an unconditional benefic or malefic and that is why we are

called individuals and so must our charts be, if astrology truly

reflects us individually and our human experience!

No one has ever contested that or questioned that u-n-c-o-n-d-i-t-i-o-

n-a-l-l-y!

There are predispositions and leaning or probabilities. A serial

killer when released is likely to kill again, a habitual thief is

likely to steal! That does not prevent a Valmiki to be born or do

what he did! A revered spiritual leader can fall, can end up being

charged with murder or so on. That does not create a changing of

rules -- but simply caution the next time because obviously the truth

as we know it is not 100% true!

The day astrology becomes black and white, yes or no, one factor is

everything -- it becomes computer science and we know how good

computer horoscope readings are!

Then there is fuzzy logic creeping into computer science. WE have

hope for making these machines almost human someday!

RR

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99 wrote:

>

> dear madam,

> Sreenadh ji is very affirmative in classifying planets as benific

etc.the fact is no planet is malefic and benific except when results

were found to be negative from dasa point of view.we want something

to happen from our point of view and some ahere some astrologer too

must have inspired us to expect.ultimately we find ourselves

disappointed as our hopes never materialise and satisfy us.so we say

jupiter has given despair.when we link this state with principles of

jyotish we have lot of expalnation available from grahabala etc

> let's somehow reconcile that application of jyotish from the

point of view accuaracy in predictions.it always elusive.Even I have

my teachers to hesitant to claims as par excellent predictions.This

controversy of benific,malefic continues unabated even if jyotish

principle are made ample clear

> krishnan

>

> auromirra19 <nalini2818 wrote:

> Respected Pandit Arjun ji,

> Very succinct. It is all in the mind. How we perceive is all that

> matters. maleficness and benignity are all as a native perceives

> them to be and relative. Sreenadh ji is right when says planets, no

> let me be clear, grahas cannot be branded benefic or malefic .

> Regards

> Nalini

> , "panditarjun2004"

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear sreenadh ji

> >

> > you wrote:

> > "A planet is neither benefic or malefic but only a significator

or

> > several things. And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic

or

> > malefic."

> >

> > scientifically, based on astronomy, the above statement is a FACT

> > which none can deny.

> >

> > however, astrology and mythology (not literally mythical!) based

> on

> > puranas and samhitas teach planets and stars as persons and not

> > celestial objects. in mythology chandra is a male and in

> astrology

> > chandra is a female.

> >

> > science looks at planets as lifeless objects or a mass or ball of

> > chemicals, gases and other susbtances. mythology looks at

planets

> > as gods and demons signifying various dispositions direclty

> > affecting all humans.

> >

> > as you rightly observed, instead of branding a planet as benefic

> or

> > malefic, we shall focus more on their dispositions, for what is

> good

> > for one is perceived by another as bad. one person sees a wife

as

> > bringing good luck, wealth and material comforts, a realised

> person

> > sees a wife as maya and prefer brahmacharyam and renouncement and

> > yet another realised person see direct goddess in her. in all

the

> > three cases, jupiter has his own role but perceptions of the

> native

> > in receiving the dispositions are different.

> >

> > with best wishes

> > arjun

> >

> > , "Sreenadh" <sreelid@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > > I know that Ju in Cp being the 6th lord in Debilitation can

be

> a

> > > real malefic as far as married life is concerned. It becomes a

> > very

> > > strong Stana-Bhava-Graha (Sign-House-Planet) prediction and the

> > > classics supports it with slokas. Jataka Chandrika (also known

> as

> > > Leghu parasari) says that Ju, when placed in a marka stana (2nd

> or

> > > 7th house) can cause death if it is a Kendradhipati.

> > > Sa, Ma or Su can give very good results when exalted and well

> > placed

> > > and thus becomes a benefic. After all Benefic means - A

> planet

> > > that gives good results and Malefic means - A planet that gives

> > bad

> > > results.

> > > Should I start a new controversy by stating that "A planet is

> > > neither benefic or malefic but only a significator or several

> > things.

> > > And it is wrong to classify a planet as benefic or malefic.

What

> > is

> > > important is understanding the predictions that should be given

> to

> > > each combination" ???!! Shall I add some spice to it by stating

> > that

> > > classifications such as "Benefic x MaleficSustana x Dustana"

> > are

> > > just descriptive techniques developed to teach the subject,

> which

> > > later caused all the troubles and confusions"?!!

> > > Yap. I know I have already made the statement!!

> > > Now let us modify it, so that the idea becomes clear.

> > > Combinations (Yoga) that are used for prediction could be of 7

> > > types. The whole astrology uses a 7-fold prediction system.

> > > 1) Sign (Stana Phala :- sign based prediction)

> > > For eg :Divisions of signs as Fire, Air etc, Chara, Stira,

> > etc.

> > > 2) House (Bhava phala :- house based prediction)

> > > For eg: If 4th lord is placed in 6th we give some

> > predictions.

> > > 3) Planet (Graha phala :- planet based prediction)

> > > For eg: If Su and Me is together we give some prediction.

> > > 4) Sign-House (Stana - Bhava :- Sign-House based prediction)

> > > For eg: If Ge is 3rd house from Asc we give some

prediction.

> > > 5) Sign-Planet (Stana-Graha :- Sign-Planet based prediction)

> > > For eg: If Mo is in Tarus we give some prediction.

> > > 6) House-Planet (Bhava-Graha :- House-Planet based prediction)

> > > For eg: If Me is in 2nd house we give some prediction.

> > > 7) Sign-House-Planet (Stana-Bhava-Graha :- Sign-House-Planet

> > > prediction)

> > > For eg: If (take our above eg.) Ju the 6th lord for Cn Asc

> is

> > in

> > > Cp then we give some prediction.

> > > If we are well aware of this system used by the Rishis, what

> is

> > > the purpose and use of concepts like "Benefic x

> MalificSustana

> > x

> > > Dustana"? We just use them in general discussions to avoid

> > details.

> > > I hope the point is clear. Should be now again argue that Ju

is

> > > benefic or Malefic, and Ma is benefic or malefic?? And still

> reach

> > no

> > > compromise and no conclusion? Let us try to learn and

> predict,

> > > rather than getting entrapped in such controversies.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , "crystal pages"

> > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I do not see my role or responsibility here, dear member, to

> > > provide

> > > > examples to support or refute interesting theories people

come

> > up

> > > > with :-) It lies squarely on the broad shoulders of the brave

> > > > proponent!

> > > >

> > > > Speaking of clarity in messages to which you and a couple

> others

> > > keep

> > > > alluding to -- there is that saying about the pot calling the

> > > kettle

> > > > black or maybe it is the kettle that calls the pot so --

> etc. ;-)

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi RR,

> > > > >

> > > > > Well it is good to read 2 good mails that can be read

with

> > ease

> > > > by anyone.

> > > > >

> > > > > Here i felt u wud come up examples galore on Guru as a

> > Malefic

> > > or

> > > > sign spoiler if this was the accepted or pouplar norm, I

> still

> > > leave

> > > > the field open for u and any1 who belives so to put such

> charts

> > on

> > > > the forum easy to handle that.

> > > > >

> > > > > If it is about it not being a malefic I am sure many will

> > chip

> > > in

> > > > I will do my part ASAP..

> > > > >

> > > > > Bottom line if Guru is a benific their lives may not be

as

> > > > interesting to read as Bill Gates, Marlyn Manro, Dhribhai

> > Ambani,

> > > > Michel Jackson, Laloo Prsad Yadav etc.

> > > > > u can see a Lal Bahudur Shastry, Manmohan Singh type

> people

> > in

> > > > it.

> > > > >

> > > > > PRASHANT

> > > > >

> > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > > >

> > > > > So that clarity does not get watered down. I was taken by

> > your

> > > > strong statement of conviction that opposed the "notions"

> that

> > > > astrologers have, namely that jupiter destroys the house it

is

> > in

> > > or

> > > > can be a malefic.

> > > > >

> > > > > The strong statement from you made me assume, naturally,

> > that

> > > > your conviction was born out of having seen strong evidence

> in

> > > > charts and

> > > > > which you may wish to share so that we can see your

> > statement

> > > > illustrated. As a general statement, please note that this

was

> a

> > > > simple request which need not get anyone on the defensive,

> etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope that was clear and not too painful to figure out :-)

> > And

> > > > clarity was the sole reason for my focusing only on one

> segment

> > of

> > > > your longer post.

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , Prashant Kumar G

> B

> > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > HiRR,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > pretty fast though.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > well i assume u mean that it is a malefic and not may

> > > > examples of

> > > > > it beingbenific right?

> > > > > > I said it is benefic in past Yogas and in present if

u

> r

> > > > prepared

> > > > > to wait till it delivers, and also if one remain honest,

> > > > selfless,

> > > > > as human as possible

> > > > > > not possibe in the commercial, materialsitic world we

> r

> > > in,

> > > > so

> > > > > the varoiuos exaples I said if we don't bribe...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > if u find unseccessful people by which i mean one how

> > has

> > > not

> > > > > made a fortune, u can pick his Guru for it.

> > > > > > for people who succed by hook or crook GURU is a pure

> > > > malefic,

> > > > > not sure if I have to repeat it again or with charts

sure

> > will

> > > > then

> > > > > some moderator will say no personal charts, openions if

u

> > > allow

> > > > it

> > > > > can put them accross. SURE.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > anyway am happy u clipped some part of the mail and

> > wrote

> > > > back

> > > > > else would be in circles on what u meant.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > any way for record sake my paternal grandfather was

an

> > > > atheist,

> > > > > my father is a rationalist, and I can say I AM MIiX of

> > > > > rationalst+traditionalist but know our forefathers r far

> > > better

> > > > > people highly evolved we have no way of judging them even

> > the

> > > > ones

> > > > > who failed in the normal standards.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > so I am only trying to understand our traditions,

> values

> > > with

> > > > an

> > > > > OPEN MIND. and still reasoning it with our current

needs,

> > > values.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Prashant

> > > > > > prashant

> > > > > >

> > > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bravo!

> > > > > > We would welcome your posting several birthdata

> refuting

> > > this

> > > > age-

> > > > > old but not quite corroborated 'notion' to align with

> your

> > > bold

> > > > > statement

> > > > > > and astrological conviction!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dhanyavaad

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Prashant

> Kumar

> > G B

> > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the

house

> > he

> > > is

> > > > in

> > > > > or is a malefic etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> DIVINITY

> > AND

> > > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > > >

> > Vedic

> > > > > astrology

> > Astrology

> > > > > chart Astrology

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

software

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> AND

> > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > >

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April 2, 2006

Sir,we are near to psychical approaches yet hesitant to validate human

approaches.The birth charts that are given to us how ever never found to be

unique as problems are very very common and yet approaches to problem solving

are different.this makes me more interested to think of the tripod approach of

jyotish,when i fail to see why people fail to get married despite their great

attachments to men and matters.Also why worry so much about not able to conceive

and why disappointment in their success and efforts despite their sinerity and

honesty?Probably we need not be tagging scientific theories.yet we have to be

true and sincere to extend this jyotish tools for day to day solutions as a tool

and as very instrumental to diagnose and indicate support human efforts.I think

a day will be in offing for practical purposes people to grown in confidence

through this vedic scinece.what matters is sincerity of cuase and purpose and

hope that we can attain what we desire .let's be

targetting and working to resolves 9th and 10th related matters.Guru is always

there and we need to be giving regard and believe that teacher never gives a

wrong advice.what matter is how we receive and act