aspects of rahu ketu 1/4 A RETHINK on Guru and Rahu

April 1, 2006

dear prashant ji

am very happy to find that you have put the "guru" in right

perspective in the changed world where people started believing that

guru spoils his own house. i still have thoughts of old school

where guru (both planet guru and human guru) is kept in the same

highest esteem as in the previous yugas.

on the other hand, malefics are painted positively. for example, in

olden days, people used to think that crossing seas is a sin as if a

person is not capable of earning bread in his own country and

migrating to another country as a refugee. later on educated people

started selling their knowledge to countries other than their

motherland in the positive garb of "brain drain" and feeling happy

that their brains are more rewarded and respected in other countries

than in their motherland. still there are many professors in IITs

and IIMs serving their motherland with their noble teaching

profession even while watching most of their students going abroad

for earning few dollars more. astrologically when few houses are

afflicted and well known mlechha planet rahu's influence is there,

the native goes abroad for earning his bread. i have already

written the combinations that make a native go abroad for earning

earlier in this group and hence not repeating. however, the

presentation of language is positive as the modern astrologers say,

if so and so planet is in so and so house (they dont term these

planets as malefics) and if rahu is placed in this house or that

house, then the native pursue a career abroad and settles abroad.

you can see the positive language in various papers including

KNRao's edited book "Planets and Travel Abroad" written by M.S.Mehta.

any way, as krishnan ji rightly concluded in his previous mail, all

observations of luminaries are true based on facts and supported by

classics and only the language or perception is different.

with best wishes and regards

pandit arjun

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Hio Arjun,

>

> and ALL others who set the chain rolling on rahu, ketu,

research etc

>

> GURU in all Yogas had a supreme role and in the 1st 3 Yugas THE

most, in current Yuga he has lesser role as Kali Yuga represents a

world without scrouples, values, ethics.

>

> if we see how children taking parents to court or worse

murdering parents/siblings for wealth/inheritance.

> the way amdinistrators instead of proteticing public welfare r

doing opposite.

>

> IF GURU's benefic aspects has changed them a bit it is a

blessing but as our puranas show Guru represents Deva Guru and

Sukra represents asura's GURU, by which we mean a conflict between

materialistic and humane values (avoiding spiritual here as it will

open and pandora's box)

>

> I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the house he is in or

is a malefic etc.

>

> Guru's aspect in society where values r there is important makes

u remain in the right side of the law/society but in current times

TESTS one to his limits to stay on moral course.

>

> CAN U AVOID giving bribes even if u refuse to take it?

> will anyone avoid using a recomondation letter anywhere be it a

job, electricty dept or water board, corporation, IT etc or

darshan at a temple?

> in some form there is breach of values.

>

> GURU TESTS u and u may more often falter.

>

> SO HOW DO U EXPECT GURU's benefic aspect to count on such

people? u must rather expect Sukra, sani or rahu's aspect to count.

>

> BHAGAVAN KE GHAR PAR DHER HAI, ANDHER NEHIN is what Guru does.

but others allow u to stoop.a dher is avoidable or purchasable.

>

> If the trend of fast breaking up of marriages, families is on.

it is due to Guru's aspect mostly please take a fresh look at this,

as the calling of restraint or saner voice from within is discarded

and Ego, emotional weightlessness, lack of tolerance and

consequences of them breaking up and children from such broken

familes make a terrible society, inspite of all their achievements

u can c many celebrities suffer from broken family relationships

values, it is Guru's aspect that was wasted.

>

> GURU CAN'T BE THE CAUSE THE LACK of discretion, TOLERANCE,

MUTUAL RESPECT TO ONE ANOTHER IS the casue. these r the qualities

Guru is given and bestows there r two way traffic, u remanin moral,

rightious, lawful it is a benefic. for law breakers itis a malefic

if they wish to call it one.

>

> Prashant

> 1-4-06

>

> panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear prashant

ji

>

> the oldest samhitas written by bhrigu, ravan, garga and even

older scriptures viz. garudapuran and other puranas reckon rahu and

ketu having only planetary status and are not assigned any rashi,

uchha or neecha or mooltrikon and also no yoga or conjunction

results formed with these two demons enjoying planetary status. it

is only modern researches who tried to put these rank malefics as

karmic planets and felicitated them with the titles of "vairagya

karaka" and "moksha karaka". just because someone said so, other

astrologers also started attributing these dispositions.

>

> in the name of freedom of expression and research, several

astrologers are finding jupiter malefic these days and long threads

of jupiter giving malefic results were found in several groups.

> some say that jupiter spoils the house where he sits. in my

personal understanding of the holy scriptures, jupiter is the guru

of devatas and is the best benefic in the entire solar system. any

> dosha of any planet is mitigated or reduced just with the

conjunction or aspect of jupiter. jupiter is the karaka of more

than half of the houses. if a jupiter is weak or debilitated or

placed in a dusthana, i only tell the native that jupiter is not

able to help him because of this and that but never paint jupiter

as a malefic. that is the respect we were taught to show towards

jupiter or guru.

> in olden days, even though astrology was taught in gurukul style

and learnt by brahmins practicing gayatri chantings and other

mantra recitals on a daily basis, the predictions were more based

on divine intuition and less on bookish knowledge. with so many

contradictory rules written by various astrologers, only divine

intuition gives the correct predictions. for example for timing of

events, according to the classics, if a native is born in the

shuklapaksa, ashtottari dasa is reckoned and if a native is born in

the

> krishnapaksha, vimshottari dasa is reckoned. even in these two

systems also dasa periods, sequence and number of planets are all

different. there are many more dasha sysems and predictions based

on them give entirely differnt picture. these days most

astrologers are using only vimshottari system.

>

> with all these contradictions and confusions, only the divine

energy or intuition or clairvoyance of an astrologer can give

correct predictions. if one tries to predict based on astrology as

a science it just does not work. astrology software in a computer

is not a vending machine which can give predictions of a native just

by pressing a button.

>

> i agree with your observatin of "Rama" as the most respectable

word. mere utterance of "ram" is in itself a mantra and benefits

the native. this is the way people like you and me look at lord

> ram. similar is the respect we have for jupiter or guru, be it

planet guru or human guru. if someone in the name of research

criticises lord ram and jupiter, may god bless him.

>

> having said all the above, i respect freedom of expression of

each member and each has the right to agree or disagree with my

observations.

>

> with best wishes and regards

> pandit arjun

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Arjun.

> >

> > Well this is good picture, pl provide the texts u quoted

can help people who want to know more direct just like the neo-

researches going into madness on Jupiter the trend of dubbing

Jupiter malefic is from TN, where lopsided translation of sanskirt

works have been happening say amavasya is

> the most auspicious day u need not look at anything else.

> >

> > there is no NO KNOWN CLASSSIC TOsupport this max can be in

MEsha, Vrischika lagnas as it is a Yoga karaka combination, and

happens during day time in Vishaka, Sravana masas in day time.

> >

> > I HAD ALSO SUBMITTED A mail on dusthana, on a different

plan to past no reaction on it ias come in past 6 weeks.

> > some of the traditional lines need to be redrawn as the

values then were contentment, help others in need, earn a name

than money, no debts if u can'tmake assets, no upmanship but

humility etc today it is opposite so need to redefine them 3,6,8,

10,11 houses to suit it please see my postign on this.

> >

> > BUT QUOTING RAMA'S CHART is outrageous as he lived ina time

of great values, standards. a well placed guru tests ur inner

strength before giving u good results where as malefics just lure

one into

> it, once u slip it is oneway street rarely u recover out it

its vice grip unless if a materialsitic rahu dasa is followed by

a well

> placed, associated Guru dasa to follow.

> >

> > RAMA'S GURU IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF HOW A MAN MUST LIVE IN

WORST OF SITUATIONS, never compromised on any value, set v high

standards in family, as a king, as a husband.

> >

> > Prashant

> >

> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: dear friend JL

> >

> > your understanding is correct. both as per hindu mythology

and as per present day science, rahu and ketu do not exist.

> >

> > according to hindu mythology, the demon swarbhanu got a boon

from brahma to get "planet status" and not a real planet. when

nectar was distributed to gods, this swarbhanu also had some

nectar to

> which sun and moon complained. based on the complaint of sun

and moon, this swarbhanu was cut into two by vishnu. later a

snake was cut into two and the body of the snake was attached to

the head of swarbhanu and the body of swarbhanu was attached to the

head of the snake. these two half-demon half-snake creatures

remained

> immortal and are called rahu and ketu and given "planetary

status" and

> they are not planets. with this backdrop we hear stories of

rahu

> swallowing sun and ketu swallowing moon during eclipses.

> >

> > according to science, a solar eclipse occurs on a new moon

day

> (amavasya) when the moon comes in between the sun and the earth

> where light of sun is partially or fully blocked by moon from

> reaching the earth. a lunar eclipse occurs on a full moon day

> (poornima) when earth comes in betwen sun and moon and light of

sun

> is partialy or fully blocked by earth from reaching moon.

> >

> > according to the original scriptures viz. samhitas written

by the sages, rahu and ketu do not own any signs and also does not

> have any aspect, exaltation, debilitation and mooltrikon.

rahu and ketu also do not form any yogas and hence results of any

conjunction with other planets was also not mentioned in these

> scriptures. however, results of rahu or ketu in each sign

or house was given since stars were allocated to them because of

their planetary status. so they also have the mahadasa and

antardasa results due to their getting

> > the planetary status.

> >

> > according to all original scriptures, rahu and ketu are

rank malefics. only some modern researches using positive

language

> attributed "vairagyakaraka" to rahu and "mokshakaraka" to ketu

which gained popularity. these researchers also presented saturn

> as planet of patience and were painting saturn, rahu and ketu

as benefics or karmic planets in their own languages. recently i

was

> > shocked when some researchers were painting jupiter as a

rank malefic and how jupiter spoils his own house and they chose

to cite

> lord rama's chart saying jupiter as the culprit. if this

trend continues in the name of research, all malefics would become

benefics and all benefics would become malefics.

> >

> > the above are my own observations and it is your logic to

accept or reject.

> >

> > with best wishes and regards

> > pandit arjun

> >

> > , Jyotish Learner

> > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Nalini Ji,

> > >

> > > Simple he is spiritual.

> > > I am not learned scholar like you so I may not be able

to

> give

> > you proper reason plz forgive me.

> > > Since he is headless he doesnt aspect.

> > > In Kaliyug Rahu and Ketu are not considered as planets.

> > > Yes these are "Chaya Grahas".

> > >

> > > Some consider Rahu as benefic and Ketu as malefic they

> behave as

> > their sign lords.

> > > Plz Learned Guru Jis forgive me if I am wrong as well as

> Nalini

> > Ji.

> > >

> > > Happy Learning till then

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > J.L

> > >

> > > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > Dear JL,

> > > If ketu does not aspect, then why is he called

mokshakaraka.

> being

> > > karaka why does he not have drishti? it is said because

rahu

> and

> > > ketu are chaya grahas, those who do not have rasmi- the

> rays.Then

> > > are these two not considered planets at all? Please

explain.

> > > Regards

> > > Nalini

> > > , Jyotish Learner

> > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > how can ketu aspects its totally wrong he is headless he

> doesnt

> > > have any aspect.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > j.l

> > > >

> > > > shriji002 <shriji002@> wrote:

> > > > respected astrologers

> > > >

> > > > please tell what are aspects of rahu,ketu.some say

rahu

> aspects 5,9,7,12 houses. and ketu aspects houses that rahu

aspects.

> > > > ie. 3,6,11.houses from it.

> > > > some say ketu aspects 5,7,9,12 houses from it.

> > > > which view is correct.

> > > >

> > > > also what impact will solar eclipse have,and till when

will

> the effect last.

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > shri

> > >

> >

> > Prashant

> >

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April 1, 2006

Dear Friends,

From Rahu-Ketu to Guru is a traverse certainly through Phaladeepika but not of

the wiseman shri Mantreswarji.

ultimately it comes to that all the evils in today's society is due to one of

the "guru"s .Be it Deva Guru or Asura Guru.Incase if we have to have continuity

we must find changed world as different from the past.what actually sounds as

these "changes"that are gloomy and in bad taste only get highlighted and all

other good things(there are many that have been occuring on day to day to day

basis) which we may not like to be mentioned.

In today'ssituation, the order of the world is Humanbeing is the best judge of

himself and no one likes to be convinced.This approach and attitude underscores

the need of "guru" and the advent of rahu's superioroty(rahu centric) has led to

many electronic gadgets including e-poojas and e-sevas.Today we hate black

boards.Also the taught has better a vision than the teacher.No class room nor a

gurukul is felt necessary.I strongly believe these are all (better) things for

which every one of us owe to one shadow palnet and we may safely link this as

rahu.

Even the smallest of the smallest village would like to boast to have a temple

of Shri Saibaba,or Lord Ayyappa if not the Grama Devatas.This is just not

limited to only one kind of theology as equal number of masjids,chappels and

gurudwars ahve found palce giving room to secular minds.let's also account for

this kind of worships to another node of moon,say ketu.These may be nobel things

to have found place in today's world.So the preacher,purohit,pandit and in

whatever term we may put as kahaji etc are to be given the credit to ketu.Most

of the regular forms of worships and poojas to have undergone changes and now

women 'ritviks' have also room in today's society

The apprehension about "guru'where his aspects makes things better and where

he takes shelter gets spoiled is to interpret to make something else as good and

the other thing as body.

In today's order one has been forced to materialistic mind.A child teacher is

not mother or father as they have no time for themselves.So mother can not brest

feed a child and father has no time to have cuddle his tiny tot.This way if we

keep anlysing we may be looking from more negative perspects and feel bad in

terms of the crime and atrocities.certainly from dwaparyuga to kaliyuga every

thing has changed as we have every where 'mother diaries',krishi bazars and bird

flues.Somehow this perspective of world order of home delivery looks to be a

boon and may enhance regard to asuraguru.

From seers to siddhanties and now to few clicks too is a big change.what is

good and what is bad can also be made available as there are willing persons to

serve for each and every cause.This applies to services for which this may not

be a proper forum to even say.may be a bright feature and ceratinly the

greatness of these developments also goes into the kitties of one of the gurus.

Today bringing dollars home has great recognition.Elite Institutions looks for

earning in dollors.These great Institutions feel proud of their product from the

day one even if the students feels emberassment in cruel ragging events.This

product has better awareness of many thing like cracking any password and make

himself accessible to any kind of treasury.it depends how early and how fast one

is able to master many things needed for a happy and comfortable living.This

living lies in temperature controlled cars and rooms and in turn controlled by

human logic.It is really difficult to infer that some afflicted houses

contribute to these elite ways.

Yet there are issues that remind the need of Guru and the good and bad houses

known only through jyotishand made available to present world through ceaseless

human efforts.Perhaps the occassions that elad one to take to these recourses is

at times disappointments due to one or other reasons.or other way if one wants

to succeed and make things in his afvour is to attempt to control what is beyond

him and uncontrollable.

All blessings one seeks is only for personal agrandisement and do not wish to

have any obligation for the good he is able recieve.In any case every where for

every action we have boards displayed around as THANX to feel satified.

S o it is litterally also true"BHAGAVAN KE GHAR PAR DHER HAI, ANDHER NEHIN

krishnan

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