aspects of rahu ketu 1/4 A RETHINK on Guru

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Hio Arjun,

 

and ALL others who set the chain rolling on rahu, ketu, research etc

 

GURU in all Yogas had a supreme role and in the 1st 3 Yugas THE most, in

current Yuga he has lesser role as Kali Yuga represents a world without

scrouples, values, ethics.

 

if we see how children taking parents to court or worse murdering

parents/siblings for wealth/inheritance.

the way amdinistrators instead of proteticing public welfare r doing opposite.

 

IF GURU's benefic aspects has changed them a bit it is a blessing but as our

puranas show Guru represents Deva Guru and Sukra represents asura's GURU, by

which we mean a conflict between materialistic and humane values (avoiding

spiritual here as it will open and pandora's box)

 

I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the house he is in or is a malefic

etc.

 

Guru's aspect in society where values r there is important makes u remain in

the right side of the law/society but in current times TESTS one to his limits

to stay on moral course.

 

CAN U AVOID giving bribes even if u refuse to take it?

will anyone avoid using a recomondation letter anywhere be it a job,

electricty dept or water board, corporation, IT etc or darshan at a temple?

in some form there is breach of values.

 

GURU TESTS u and u may more often falter.

 

SO HOW DO U EXPECT GURU's benefic aspect to count on such people? u must

rather expect Sukra, sani or rahu's aspect to count.

 

BHAGAVAN KE GHAR PAR DHER HAI, ANDHER NEHIN is what Guru does. but others

allow u to stoop.a dher is avoidable or purchasable.

 

If the trend of fast breaking up of marriages, families is on. it is due to

Guru's aspect mostly please take a fresh look at this, as the calling of

restraint or saner voice from within is discarded and Ego, emotional

weightlessness, lack of tolerance and consequences of them breaking up and

children from such broken familes make a terrible society, inspite of all their

achievements u can c many celebrities suffer from broken family relationships

values, it is Guru's aspect that was wasted.

 

GURU CAN'T BE THE CAUSE THE LACK of discretion, TOLERANCE, MUTUAL RESPECT TO

ONE ANOTHER IS the casue. these r the qualities Guru is given and bestows there

r two way traffic, u remanin moral, rightious, lawful it is a benefic. for law

breakers itis a malefic if they wish to call it one.

 

Prashant

1-4-06

 

panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear prashant ji

 

the oldest samhitas written by bhrigu, ravan, garga and even older scriptures

viz. garudapuran and other puranas reckon rahu and ketu having only planetary

status and are not assigned any rashi, uchha or neecha or mooltrikon and also

no yoga or conjunction results formed with these two demons enjoying planetary

status. it is only modern researches who tried to put these rank malefics as

karmic planets and felicitated them with the titles of "vairagya karaka" and

"moksha karaka". just because someone said so, other astrologers also started

attributing these dispositions.

 

in the name of freedom of expression and research, several astrologers are

finding jupiter malefic these days and long threads of jupiter giving malefic

results were found in several groups.

some say that jupiter spoils the house where he sits. in my personal

understanding of the holy scriptures, jupiter is the guru of devatas and is the

best benefic in the entire solar system. any

dosha of any planet is mitigated or reduced just with the conjunction or

aspect of jupiter. jupiter is the karaka of more than half of the houses. if

a jupiter is weak or debilitated or placed in a dusthana, i only tell the

native that jupiter is not able to help him because of this and that but never

paint jupiter as a malefic. that is the respect we were taught to show towards

jupiter or guru.

in olden days, even though astrology was taught in gurukul style and learnt

by brahmins practicing gayatri chantings and other mantra recitals on a daily

basis, the predictions were more based on divine intuition and less on bookish

knowledge. with so many contradictory rules written by various astrologers,

only divine intuition gives the correct predictions. for example for timing

of events, according to the classics, if a native is born in the shuklapaksa,

ashtottari dasa is reckoned and if a native is born in the

krishnapaksha, vimshottari dasa is reckoned. even in these two systems also

dasa periods, sequence and number of planets are all different. there are many

more dasha sysems and predictions based on them give entirely differnt picture.

these days most astrologers are using only vimshottari system.

 

with all these contradictions and confusions, only the divine energy or

intuition or clairvoyance of an astrologer can give correct predictions. if

one tries to predict based on astrology as a science it just does not work.

astrology software in a computer is not a vending machine which can give

predictions of a native just by pressing a button.

 

i agree with your observatin of "Rama" as the most respectable word. mere

utterance of "ram" is in itself a mantra and benefits the native. this is the

way people like you and me look at lord

ram. similar is the respect we have for jupiter or guru, be it planet guru

or human guru. if someone in the name of research criticises lord ram and

jupiter, may god bless him.

 

having said all the above, i respect freedom of expression of each member and

each has the right to agree or disagree with my observations.

 

with best wishes and regards

pandit arjun

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Hi Arjun.

>

> Well this is good picture, pl provide the texts u quoted can help people

who want to know more direct just like the neo-researches going into madness

on Jupiter the trend of dubbing Jupiter malefic is from TN, where lopsided

translation of sanskirt works have been happening say amavasya is

the most auspicious day u need not look at anything else.

>

> there is no NO KNOWN CLASSSIC TOsupport this max can be in MEsha,

Vrischika lagnas as it is a Yoga karaka combination, and happens during day

time in Vishaka, Sravana masas in day time.

>

> I HAD ALSO SUBMITTED A mail on dusthana, on a different plan to past no

reaction on it ias come in past 6 weeks.

> some of the traditional lines need to be redrawn as the values then were

contentment, help others in need, earn a name than money, no debts if u

can'tmake assets, no upmanship but humility etc today it is opposite so need

to redefine them 3,6,8, 10,11 houses to suit it please see my postign on this.

>

> BUT QUOTING RAMA'S CHART is outrageous as he lived ina time of great

values, standards. a well placed guru tests ur inner strength before giving u

good results where as malefics just lure one into

it, once u slip it is oneway street rarely u recover out it its vice grip

unless if a materialsitic rahu dasa is followed by a well

placed, associated Guru dasa to follow.

>

> RAMA'S GURU IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF HOW A MAN MUST LIVE IN WORST OF

SITUATIONS, never compromised on any value, set v high standards in family, as

a king, as a husband.

>

> Prashant

>

>

>

>

>

>

> panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friend JL

>

> your understanding is correct. both as per hindu mythology and as per

present day science, rahu and ketu do not exist.

>

> according to hindu mythology, the demon swarbhanu got a boon from brahma

to get "planet status" and not a real planet. when nectar was distributed to

gods, this swarbhanu also had some nectar to

which sun and moon complained. based on the complaint of sun and moon,

this swarbhanu was cut into two by vishnu. later a snake was cut into two and

the body of the snake was attached to the head of swarbhanu and the body of

swarbhanu was attached to the head of the snake. these two half-demon

half-snake creatures remained

immortal and are called rahu and ketu and given "planetary status" and

they are not planets. with this backdrop we hear stories of rahu

swallowing sun and ketu swallowing moon during eclipses.

>

> according to science, a solar eclipse occurs on a new moon day

(amavasya) when the moon comes in between the sun and the earth

where light of sun is partially or fully blocked by moon from

reaching the earth. a lunar eclipse occurs on a full moon day

(poornima) when earth comes in betwen sun and moon and light of sun

is partialy or fully blocked by earth from reaching moon.

>

> according to the original scriptures viz. samhitas written by the sages,

rahu and ketu do not own any signs and also does not

have any aspect, exaltation, debilitation and mooltrikon. rahu and ketu

also do not form any yogas and hence results of any conjunction with other

planets was also not mentioned in these

scriptures. however, results of rahu or ketu in each sign or house was

given since stars were allocated to them because of their planetary status.

so they also have the mahadasa and antardasa results due to their getting

> the planetary status.

>

> according to all original scriptures, rahu and ketu are rank malefics.

only some modern researches using positive language

attributed "vairagyakaraka" to rahu and "mokshakaraka" to ketu which gained

popularity. these researchers also presented saturn

as planet of patience and were painting saturn, rahu and ketu as benefics

or karmic planets in their own languages. recently i was

> shocked when some researchers were painting jupiter as a rank malefic

and how jupiter spoils his own house and they chose to cite

lord rama's chart saying jupiter as the culprit. if this trend continues in

the name of research, all malefics would become benefics and all benefics

would become malefics.

>

> the above are my own observations and it is your logic to accept or

reject.

>

> with best wishes and regards

> pandit arjun

>

> , Jyotish Learner

> <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Nalini Ji,

> >

> > Simple he is spiritual.

> > I am not learned scholar like you so I may not be able to

give

> you proper reason plz forgive me.

> > Since he is headless he doesnt aspect.

> > In Kaliyug Rahu and Ketu are not considered as planets.

> > Yes these are "Chaya Grahas".

> >

> > Some consider Rahu as benefic and Ketu as malefic they

behave as

> their sign lords.

> > Plz Learned Guru Jis forgive me if I am wrong as well as

Nalini

> Ji.

> >

> > Happy Learning till then

> >

> > Regards,

> > J.L

> >

> >

> > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > Dear JL,

> > If ketu does not aspect, then why is he called mokshakaraka.

being

> > karaka why does he not have drishti? it is said because rahu

and

> > ketu are chaya grahas, those who do not have rasmi- the

rays.Then

> > are these two not considered planets at all? Please explain.

> > Regards

> > Nalini

> > , Jyotish Learner

> > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:

> > >

> > > how can ketu aspects its totally wrong he is headless he

doesnt

> > have any aspect.

> > >

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > j.l

> > >

> > >

> > > shriji002 <shriji002@> wrote:

> > > respected astrologers

> > >

> > > please tell what are aspects of rahu,ketu.some say rahu

aspects 5,9,7,12 houses. and ketu aspects houses that rahu aspects.

> > > ie. 3,6,11.houses from it.

> > > some say ketu aspects 5,7,9,12 houses from it.

> > > which view is correct.

> > >

> > > also what impact will solar eclipse have,and till when will

the effect last.

> > >

> > > regards

> > > shri

> >

>

> Prashant

>

>

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