Guest guest Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Hi RR, as usual I am not sure what u meant to convey by this reply, u can better expand on this. I am sure u agree with divya's reply to Nalini on the purpouse of the ORIGINAL QUESTION on rahu, ketu in line with that like others I wrote 2 mails, as arjun has. basically the classics r the main source and whaever adjustments need to be done with the, time, socio-political, region specific changes r anyway built-in by ur sages to be a guidline whole making any forecasts. Prashant crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: Does the 'reality' and direct experience of a shadow as a real phenomenon simply vanish, just because today happens to be *cloudy* day and no shadows are to be seen? RR , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Hi Arjun. > > Well this is good picture, pl provide the texts u quoted can help people who want to know more direct just like the neo- researches going into madness on Jupiter > > the trend of dubbing Jupiter malefic is from TN, where lopsided transulation of sanskirt works have been happening say amavasya is the most auspicious day u need not look at anything else. > > there is no NO KNOWN CLASSSIC TOsupport this max can be in MEsha, Vrischika lagnas as it is a Yoga karaka combination, and happens during day time in Vishaka, Sravana masas in day time. > > I HAD ALSO SUBMITTED A mail on dusthana, on a different plan to past no reaction on it ias come in past 6 weeks. > some of the traditional lines need to be redrawn as the the values then were contentment, help others in need, earn a name than money, no debts if u can'tmake assets, no upmanship but humility etc > today it is opposite so need to redefine them 3,6,8, 10,11 houses to suit it please see my postign on this. > > BUT QUOTING RAMA'S CHART is outrageous as he lived ina time of great values, standards. a well placed guru tests ur inner strength before giving u good results where as malefics just lure one into it, once u slip it is oneway street rarely u recover out it its vice grip unless if a materialsitic rahu dasa is followed by a well placed, associated Guru dasa to follow. > > RAMA'S GURU IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF HOW A MAN MUST LIVE IN WORST OF SITUATIONS, never compromised on any value, set v high standards in family, as a king, as a husband. > > Prashant > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friend JL > > your understanding is correct. both as per hindu mythology and as per present day science, rahu and ketu do not exist. > > according to hindu mythology, the demon swarbhanu got a boon from brahma to get "planet status" and not a real planet. when nectar > was distributed to gods, this swarbhanu also had some nectar to which sun and moon complained. based on the complaint of sun and > moon, this swarbhanu was cut into two by vishnu. later a snake was cut into two and the body of the snake was attached to the head of > swarbhanu and the body of swarbhanu was attached to the head of the snake. these two half-demon half-snake creatures remained immortal > and are called rahu and ketu and given "planetary status" and they are not planets. with this backdrop we hear stories of rahu swallowing sun and ketu swallowing moon during eclipses. > > according to science, a solar eclipse occurs on a new moon day (amavasya) when the moon comes in between the sun and the earth where light of sun is partially or fully blocked by moon from reaching the earth. a lunar eclipse occurs on a full moon day (poornima) when earth comes in betwen sun and moon and light of sun is partialy or fully blocked by earth from reaching moon. > > according to the original scriptures viz. samhitas written by the sages, rahu and ketu do not own any signs and also does not have any aspect, exaltation, debilitation and mooltrikon. rahu and ketu also do not form any yogas and hence results of any conjunction with other planets was also not mentioned in these scriptures. however, > results of rahu or ketu in each sign or house was given since stars were allocated to them because of their planetary status. so they also have the mahadasa and antardasa results due to their getting > the planetary status. > > according to all original scriptures, rahu and ketu are rank malefics. only some modern researches using positive language attributed "vairagyakaraka" to rahu and "mokshakaraka" to ketu which gained popularity. these researchers also presented saturn as planet of patience and were painting saturn, rahu and ketu as benefics or karmic planets in their own languages. recently i was > shocked when some researchers were painting jupiter as a rank malefic and how jupiter spoils his own house and they chose to cite lord rama's chart saying jupiter as the culprit. if this trend continues in the name of research, all malefics would become benefics and all benefics would become malefics. > > the above are my own observations and it is your logic to accept or reject. > > with best wishes and regards > pandit arjun > > , Jyotish Learner > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote: > > > > Dear Nalini Ji, > > > > Simple he is spiritual. > > I am not learned scholar like you so I may not be able to give > you proper reason plz forgive me. > > Since he is headless he doesnt aspect. > > In Kaliyug Rahu and Ketu are not considered as planets. > > Yes these are "Chaya Grahas". > > > > Some consider Rahu as benefic and Ketu as malefic they behave as > their sign lords. > > Plz Learned Guru Jis forgive me if I am wrong as well as Nalini > Ji. > > > > Happy Learning till then > > > > Regards, > > J.L > > > > > > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote: > > Dear JL, > > If ketu does not aspect, then why is he called mokshakaraka. being > > karaka why does he not have drishti? it is said because rahu and > > ketu are chaya grahas, those who do not have rasmi- the rays.Then > > are these two not considered planets at all? Please explain. > > Regards > > Nalini > > , Jyotish Learner > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote: > > > > > > how can ketu aspects its totally wrong he is headless he doesnt > > have any aspect. > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > j.l > > > > > > > > > shriji002 <shriji002@> wrote: > > > respected astrologers > > > > > > please tell what are aspects of rahu,ketu.some say rahu aspects 5,9,7,12 houses. and ketu aspects houses that rahu aspects. > > > ie. 3,6,11.houses from it. > > > some say ketu aspects 5,7,9,12 houses from it. > > > which view is correct. > > > > > > also what impact will solar eclipse have,and till when will the effect last. > > > > > > regards > > > shri > > > > Prashant > > > New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "" on the web. Prashant New Messenger with Voice. 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Guest guest Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Sir, it is my understanding not to disrepect various views of our times about jyotish and to also seers who dealt and length and made available various theories of astrology how ever simple or complicated as they appear to us today krishnan This is where probably we are able to take initiative and expalin the role of rahu-ketu.In jyotish terms all issues arising out of nine palnets matter whether felt as coudy as one day and the day different.it is between all of us to find a logic in tune with our sages.perhaps they did not have occassion to go through all our understanding.hence our role and accounatability to make free from controversies nd adopt a balanced approach. krishnan Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: Hi RR, as usual I am not sure what u meant to convey by this reply, u can better expand on this. I am sure u agree with divya's reply to Nalini on the purpouse of the ORIGINAL QUESTION on rahu, ketu in line with that like others I wrote 2 mails, as arjun has. basically the classics r the main source and whaever adjustments need to be done with the, time, socio-political, region specific changes r anyway built-in by ur sages to be a guidline whole making any forecasts. Prashant crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: Does the 'reality' and direct experience of a shadow as a real phenomenon simply vanish, just because today happens to be *cloudy* day and no shadows are to be seen? RR , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Hi Arjun. > > Well this is good picture, pl provide the texts u quoted can help people who want to know more direct just like the neo- researches going into madness on Jupiter > > the trend of dubbing Jupiter malefic is from TN, where lopsided transulation of sanskirt works have been happening say amavasya is the most auspicious day u need not look at anything else. > > there is no NO KNOWN CLASSSIC TOsupport this max can be in MEsha, Vrischika lagnas as it is a Yoga karaka combination, and happens during day time in Vishaka, Sravana masas in day time. > > I HAD ALSO SUBMITTED A mail on dusthana, on a different plan to past no reaction on it ias come in past 6 weeks. > some of the traditional lines need to be redrawn as the the values then were contentment, help others in need, earn a name than money, no debts if u can'tmake assets, no upmanship but humility etc > today it is opposite so need to redefine them 3,6,8, 10,11 houses to suit it please see my postign on this. > > BUT QUOTING RAMA'S CHART is outrageous as he lived ina time of great values, standards. a well placed guru tests ur inner strength before giving u good results where as malefics just lure one into it, once u slip it is oneway street rarely u recover out it its vice grip unless if a materialsitic rahu dasa is followed by a well placed, associated Guru dasa to follow. > > RAMA'S GURU IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF HOW A MAN MUST LIVE IN WORST OF SITUATIONS, never compromised on any value, set v high standards in family, as a king, as a husband. > > Prashant > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friend JL > > your understanding is correct. both as per hindu mythology and as per present day science, rahu and ketu do not exist. > > according to hindu mythology, the demon swarbhanu got a boon from brahma to get "planet status" and not a real planet. when nectar > was distributed to gods, this swarbhanu also had some nectar to which sun and moon complained. based on the complaint of sun and > moon, this swarbhanu was cut into two by vishnu. later a snake was cut into two and the body of the snake was attached to the head of > swarbhanu and the body of swarbhanu was attached to the head of the snake. these two half-demon half-snake creatures remained immortal > and are called rahu and ketu and given "planetary status" and they are not planets. with this backdrop we hear stories of rahu swallowing sun and ketu swallowing moon during eclipses. > > according to science, a solar eclipse occurs on a new moon day (amavasya) when the moon comes in between the sun and the earth where light of sun is partially or fully blocked by moon from reaching the earth. a lunar eclipse occurs on a full moon day (poornima) when earth comes in betwen sun and moon and light of sun is partialy or fully blocked by earth from reaching moon. > > according to the original scriptures viz. samhitas written by the sages, rahu and ketu do not own any signs and also does not have any aspect, exaltation, debilitation and mooltrikon. rahu and ketu also do not form any yogas and hence results of any conjunction with other planets was also not mentioned in these scriptures. however, > results of rahu or ketu in each sign or house was given since stars were allocated to them because of their planetary status. so they also have the mahadasa and antardasa results due to their getting > the planetary status. > > according to all original scriptures, rahu and ketu are rank malefics. only some modern researches using positive language attributed "vairagyakaraka" to rahu and "mokshakaraka" to ketu which gained popularity. these researchers also presented saturn as planet of patience and were painting saturn, rahu and ketu as benefics or karmic planets in their own languages. recently i was > shocked when some researchers were painting jupiter as a rank malefic and how jupiter spoils his own house and they chose to cite lord rama's chart saying jupiter as the culprit. if this trend continues in the name of research, all malefics would become benefics and all benefics would become malefics. > > the above are my own observations and it is your logic to accept or reject. > > with best wishes and regards > pandit arjun > > , Jyotish Learner > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote: > > > > Dear Nalini Ji, > > > > Simple he is spiritual. > > I am not learned scholar like you so I may not be able to give > you proper reason plz forgive me. > > Since he is headless he doesnt aspect. > > In Kaliyug Rahu and Ketu are not considered as planets. > > Yes these are "Chaya Grahas". > > > > Some consider Rahu as benefic and Ketu as malefic they behave as > their sign lords. > > Plz Learned Guru Jis forgive me if I am wrong as well as Nalini > Ji. > > > > Happy Learning till then > > > > Regards, > > J.L > > > > > > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote: > > Dear JL, > > If ketu does not aspect, then why is he called mokshakaraka. being > > karaka why does he not have drishti? it is said because rahu and > > ketu are chaya grahas, those who do not have rasmi- the rays.Then > > are these two not considered planets at all? Please explain. > > Regards > > Nalini > > , Jyotish Learner > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote: > > > > > > how can ketu aspects its totally wrong he is headless he doesnt > > have any aspect. > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > j.l > > > > > > > > > shriji002 <shriji002@> wrote: > > > respected astrologers > > > > > > please tell what are aspects of rahu,ketu.some say rahu aspects 5,9,7,12 houses. and ketu aspects houses that rahu aspects. > > > ie. 3,6,11.houses from it. > > > some say ketu aspects 5,7,9,12 houses from it. > > > which view is correct. > > > > > > also what impact will solar eclipse have,and till when will the effect last. > > > > > > regards > > > shri > > > > Prashant > > > New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "" on the web. Prashant New Messenger with Voice. 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Guest guest Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 you sound like Tanvir! Sorry if I am coming across as so incomprehensible and inscrutable! Nodes are shadow planets, chaaya grihas. Shadows come alive only when the light is bright, when the clouds are not covering the main source of light! Nodes really make their presence felt when the light is bright and the shadow falls on something -- usually the area in the chart influenced by their presence! RR , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Hi RR, > > as usual I am not sure what u meant to convey by this reply, u can better expand on this. > > I am sure u agree with divya's reply to Nalini on the purpouse of the ORIGINAL QUESTION on rahu, ketu in line with that like others I wrote 2 mails, as arjun has. > basically the classics r the main source and whaever adjustments need to be done with the, time, socio-political, region specific changes r anyway built-in by ur sages to be a guidline whole making any forecasts. > > Prashant > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: Does the 'reality' and direct experience of a shadow as a real > phenomenon simply vanish, just because today happens to be *cloudy* > day and no shadows are to be seen? > > RR > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > Hi Arjun. > > > > Well this is good picture, pl provide the texts u quoted can > help people who want to know more direct just like the neo- > researches going into madness on Jupiter > > > > the trend of dubbing Jupiter malefic is from TN, where lopsided > transulation of sanskirt works have been happening say amavasya is > the most auspicious day u need not look at anything else. > > > > there is no NO KNOWN CLASSSIC TOsupport this max can be in > MEsha, Vrischika lagnas as it is a Yoga karaka combination, and > happens during day time in Vishaka, Sravana masas in day time. > > > > I HAD ALSO SUBMITTED A mail on dusthana, on a different plan to > past no reaction on it ias come in past 6 weeks. > > some of the traditional lines need to be redrawn as the the > values then were contentment, help others in need, earn a name than > money, no debts if u can'tmake assets, no upmanship but humility etc > > today it is opposite so need to redefine them 3,6,8, 10,11 houses > to suit it please see my postign on this. > > > > BUT QUOTING RAMA'S CHART is outrageous as he lived ina time of > great values, standards. a well placed guru tests ur inner strength > before giving u good results where as malefics just lure one into > it, once u slip it is oneway street rarely u recover out it its vice > grip unless if a materialsitic rahu dasa is followed by a well > placed, associated Guru dasa to follow. > > > > RAMA'S GURU IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF HOW A MAN MUST LIVE IN WORST > OF SITUATIONS, never compromised on any value, set v high standards > in family, as a king, as a husband. > > > > Prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: dear friend JL > > > > your understanding is correct. both as per hindu mythology and > as per present day science, rahu and ketu do not exist. > > > > according to hindu mythology, the demon swarbhanu got a boon from > brahma to get "planet status" and not a real planet. when nectar > > was distributed to gods, this swarbhanu also had some nectar to > which sun and moon complained. based on the complaint of sun and > > moon, this swarbhanu was cut into two by vishnu. later a snake > was cut into two and the body of the snake was attached to the head > of > > swarbhanu and the body of swarbhanu was attached to the head of > the snake. these two half-demon half-snake creatures remained > immortal > > and are called rahu and ketu and given "planetary status" and > they are not planets. with this backdrop we hear stories of rahu > swallowing sun and ketu swallowing moon during eclipses. > > > > according to science, a solar eclipse occurs on a new moon day > (amavasya) when the moon comes in between the sun and the earth > where light of sun is partially or fully blocked by moon from > reaching the earth. a lunar eclipse occurs on a full moon day > (poornima) when earth comes in betwen sun and moon and light of sun > is partialy or fully blocked by earth from reaching moon. > > > > according to the original scriptures viz. samhitas written by > the sages, rahu and ketu do not own any signs and also does not have > any aspect, exaltation, debilitation and mooltrikon. rahu and > ketu also do not form any yogas and hence results of any conjunction > with other planets was also not mentioned in these scriptures. > however, > > results of rahu or ketu in each sign or house was given since > stars were allocated to them because of their planetary status. so > they also have the mahadasa and antardasa results due to their > getting > > the planetary status. > > > > according to all original scriptures, rahu and ketu are rank > malefics. only some modern researches using positive language > attributed "vairagyakaraka" to rahu and "mokshakaraka" to ketu which > gained popularity. these researchers also presented saturn as > planet of patience and were painting saturn, rahu and ketu as > benefics or karmic planets in their own languages. recently i was > > shocked when some researchers were painting jupiter as a rank > malefic and how jupiter spoils his own house and they chose to cite > lord rama's chart saying jupiter as the culprit. if this trend > continues in the name of research, all malefics would become > benefics and all benefics would become malefics. > > > > the above are my own observations and it is your logic to accept > or reject. > > > > with best wishes and regards > > pandit arjun > > > > , Jyotish Learner > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Nalini Ji, > > > > > > Simple he is spiritual. > > > I am not learned scholar like you so I may not be able to > give > > you proper reason plz forgive me. > > > Since he is headless he doesnt aspect. > > > In Kaliyug Rahu and Ketu are not considered as planets. > > > Yes these are "Chaya Grahas". > > > > > > Some consider Rahu as benefic and Ketu as malefic they behave > as > > their sign lords. > > > Plz Learned Guru Jis forgive me if I am wrong as well as > Nalini > > Ji. > > > > > > Happy Learning till then > > > > > > Regards, > > > J.L > > > > > > > > > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > Dear JL, > > > If ketu does not aspect, then why is he called mokshakaraka. > being > > > karaka why does he not have drishti? it is said because rahu > and > > > ketu are chaya grahas, those who do not have rasmi- the > rays.Then > > > are these two not considered planets at all? Please explain. > > > Regards > > > Nalini > > > , Jyotish Learner > > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote: > > > > > > > > how can ketu aspects its totally wrong he is headless he > doesnt > > > have any aspect. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > j.l > > > > > > > > > > > > shriji002 <shriji002@> wrote: > > > > respected astrologers > > > > > > > > please tell what are aspects of rahu,ketu.some say rahu > aspects 5,9,7,12 houses. and ketu aspects houses that rahu aspects. > > > > ie. 3,6,11.houses from it. > > > > some say ketu aspects 5,7,9,12 houses from it. > > > > which view is correct. > > > > > > > > also what impact will solar eclipse have,and till when will > the effect last. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > shri > > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC > and save big. > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > Prashant > > > New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Dear All, Why make things this compex??!! In Madhaveeyam we can see the sloka: "Prakasakou dou predhamou grahanam Tara grehe pancha pare tata dou Thamograhou......................" Meaning, The first two (Sun and Moon) are called prakasa grahas. (Since the Sun gives light in day time, and Moon refects the sun's rays in night time, thus giving light to us. Of these Sun is a star and Moon a satelite as we know), the next five (Ma, Me, Ve, Ju, Sa) are called tara grhas (Since they are seen small like a star from earth, and represents normal planets), the next 2 (Ra and Ke) are called tamo grahas (dark planets, since they are just shadows of Earth and Moon, and represented in the mathematical representation of the native at birth time, called horoscope). So, Su - Prakasa graha - It is a star Mo - Prakasa graha - It is the satalite of earth Ma, Me, Ve, Ju, Sa - tara grahas - Normal planets Ra, Ke - shadows of Earth and Moon They are all represented in horosocpe since a horoscope is the mathematical representation of the universe (especially solarsystem)/space_around at the time of birth of the native. So, in short, clearly Ra and Ke exists - mathamatically. And that is what is represented on the horoscope. All this helps us in understanding how the rhythem of the universe, will influence the native's fate. Dear Nalini ji, you asked: > If ketu does not aspect, then why is he called mokshakaraka. > being karaka why does he not have drishti? If you mean Drishti by the word aspect, then is it necessory that a Karaka (significator) should have drishti??!!!!! Do you mean that a mathemetical point Drishti cannot have significance!!!! See, even Signs, Stellar divisions, Houses, Other mathemetical points like Mandi, Gulika etc all are alotted significance. Which makes it clear that, to become a significator, Drishti is not a pre-requesit. From where you got that idea???!!!! I wonder. > it is said because rahu and ketu are chaya grahas, > those who do not have rasmi- the rays. Then are these two not > considered planets at all? > Please explain. As you (or anybody who studied science) know Ra and Ke are shadows (astrologers mean the same when they say chaya grahas). The horoscope gives the mathametical representation of the position of these shadows. They are not planets in the western sense. But they are Grahas.(Grahas = The mathametical points represented in horoscope that can influence destiny of the native) There is no conflict between the understanding of Science and Astrology concerning them. Once the primary understanding is over Science and Astrology diverge and try to use this knowledge in entirely different ways. That is all. Please don't confuse Rasmi and Drishti. If you see the classics, you could see- Drishti Phala - for planets Rasmi Phala - for planets and Rasis. Drishti is the relative angle between the planets, which is supposed to modify the result. Rasmi is a concept that is used to determine the streangth of a planet or sign. Ra and Ke does not have Rasmi. But their relative angle between other Grahas could be considered, and there for Drishti is possible for them as well, as Parasara Muni told us. But to accept this point, first we should come to agreement on the point that Drishti, indicates relative angle between Grahas. I hope the point is clear. Love, Sreenadh , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Sir, > it is my understanding not to disrepect various views of our times about jyotish and to also seers who dealt and length and made available various theories of astrology how ever simple or complicated as they appear to us today > krishnan > This is where probably we are able to take initiative and expalin the role of rahu-ketu.In jyotish terms all issues arising out of nine palnets matter whether felt as coudy as one day and the day different.it is between all of us to find a logic in tune with our sages.perhaps they did not have occassion to go through all our understanding.hence our role and accounatability to make free from controversies nd adopt a balanced approach. > krishnan > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > Hi RR, > > as usual I am not sure what u meant to convey by this reply, u can better expand on this. > > I am sure u agree with divya's reply to Nalini on the purpouse of the ORIGINAL QUESTION on rahu, ketu in line with that like others I wrote 2 mails, as arjun has. > basically the classics r the main source and whaever adjustments need to be done with the, time, socio-political, region specific changes r anyway built-in by ur sages to be a guidline whole making any forecasts. > > Prashant > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: Does the 'reality' and direct experience of a shadow as a real > phenomenon simply vanish, just because today happens to be *cloudy* > day and no shadows are to be seen? > > RR > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > Hi Arjun. > > > > Well this is good picture, pl provide the texts u quoted can > help people who want to know more direct just like the neo- > researches going into madness on Jupiter > > > > the trend of dubbing Jupiter malefic is from TN, where lopsided > transulation of sanskirt works have been happening say amavasya is > the most auspicious day u need not look at anything else. > > > > there is no NO KNOWN CLASSSIC TOsupport this max can be in > MEsha, Vrischika lagnas as it is a Yoga karaka combination, and > happens during day time in Vishaka, Sravana masas in day time. > > > > I HAD ALSO SUBMITTED A mail on dusthana, on a different plan to > past no reaction on it ias come in past 6 weeks. > > some of the traditional lines need to be redrawn as the the > values then were contentment, help others in need, earn a name than > money, no debts if u can'tmake assets, no upmanship but humility etc > > today it is opposite so need to redefine them 3,6,8, 10,11 houses > to suit it please see my postign on this. > > > > BUT QUOTING RAMA'S CHART is outrageous as he lived ina time of > great values, standards. a well placed guru tests ur inner strength > before giving u good results where as malefics just lure one into > it, once u slip it is oneway street rarely u recover out it its vice > grip unless if a materialsitic rahu dasa is followed by a well > placed, associated Guru dasa to follow. > > > > RAMA'S GURU IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF HOW A MAN MUST LIVE IN WORST > OF SITUATIONS, never compromised on any value, set v high standards > in family, as a king, as a husband. > > > > Prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: dear friend JL > > > > your understanding is correct. both as per hindu mythology and > as per present day science, rahu and ketu do not exist. > > > > according to hindu mythology, the demon swarbhanu got a boon from > brahma to get "planet status" and not a real planet. when nectar > > was distributed to gods, this swarbhanu also had some nectar to > which sun and moon complained. based on the complaint of sun and > > moon, this swarbhanu was cut into two by vishnu. later a snake > was cut into two and the body of the snake was attached to the head > of > > swarbhanu and the body of swarbhanu was attached to the head of > the snake. these two half-demon half-snake creatures remained > immortal > > and are called rahu and ketu and given "planetary status" and > they are not planets. with this backdrop we hear stories of rahu > swallowing sun and ketu swallowing moon during eclipses. > > > > according to science, a solar eclipse occurs on a new moon day > (amavasya) when the moon comes in between the sun and the earth > where light of sun is partially or fully blocked by moon from > reaching the earth. a lunar eclipse occurs on a full moon day > (poornima) when earth comes in betwen sun and moon and light of sun > is partialy or fully blocked by earth from reaching moon. > > > > according to the original scriptures viz. samhitas written by > the sages, rahu and ketu do not own any signs and also does not have > any aspect, exaltation, debilitation and mooltrikon. rahu and > ketu also do not form any yogas and hence results of any conjunction > with other planets was also not mentioned in these scriptures. > however, > > results of rahu or ketu in each sign or house was given since > stars were allocated to them because of their planetary status. so > they also have the mahadasa and antardasa results due to their > getting > > the planetary status. > > > > according to all original scriptures, rahu and ketu are rank > malefics. only some modern researches using positive language > attributed "vairagyakaraka" to rahu and "mokshakaraka" to ketu which > gained popularity. these researchers also presented saturn as > planet of patience and were painting saturn, rahu and ketu as > benefics or karmic planets in their own languages. recently i was > > shocked when some researchers were painting jupiter as a rank > malefic and how jupiter spoils his own house and they chose to cite > lord rama's chart saying jupiter as the culprit. if this trend > continues in the name of research, all malefics would become > benefics and all benefics would become malefics. > > > > the above are my own observations and it is your logic to accept > or reject. > > > > with best wishes and regards > > pandit arjun > > > > , Jyotish Learner > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Nalini Ji, > > > > > > Simple he is spiritual. > > > I am not learned scholar like you so I may not be able to > give > > you proper reason plz forgive me. > > > Since he is headless he doesnt aspect. > > > In Kaliyug Rahu and Ketu are not considered as planets. > > > Yes these are "Chaya Grahas". > > > > > > Some consider Rahu as benefic and Ketu as malefic they behave > as > > their sign lords. > > > Plz Learned Guru Jis forgive me if I am wrong as well as > Nalini > > Ji. > > > > > > Happy Learning till then > > > > > > Regards, > > > J.L > > > > > > > > > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > Dear JL, > > > If ketu does not aspect, then why is he called mokshakaraka. > being > > > karaka why does he not have drishti? it is said because rahu > and > > > ketu are chaya grahas, those who do not have rasmi- the > rays.Then > > > are these two not considered planets at all? Please explain. > > > Regards > > > Nalini > > > , Jyotish Learner > > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote: > > > > > > > > how can ketu aspects its totally wrong he is headless he > doesnt > > > have any aspect. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > j.l > > > > > > > > > > > > shriji002 <shriji002@> wrote: > > > > respected astrologers > > > > > > > > please tell what are aspects of rahu,ketu.some say rahu > aspects 5,9,7,12 houses. and ketu aspects houses that rahu aspects. > > > > ie. 3,6,11.houses from it. > > > > some say ketu aspects 5,7,9,12 houses from it. > > > > which view is correct. > > > > > > > > also what impact will solar eclipse have,and till when will > the effect last. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > shri > > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > New Messenger with Voice. 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Guest guest Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Dear Mr.Sreenadh, it is really commendable you have come up with a very lucid explanation which ofcourse satiate modern jyotishis raging controversy of benifics and malefics.fundamentals are fundamentals and one need not make any effort to provide logic and make them agreeable to the view points.in this connection I was just fascinated to point to few lines written with wisdom by none else than by late B.Suryanarain Rao in his Sarvartha Chintamani(Introduction P6 Mani,Mantra and Oushadh)"No body knows exactly what science means now a days now days but every one talks of modern sciences as if it is the easiest thing for one to know in this world" The predictive portion of Astrology is even more difficult than the rest of the Atrology for any one to understand:and in comprehending of these rules...." .....their ignorance of various branches of learning which are helps to the study of Astrology was against their understanding it properly" Rightly as mentioned by you"Rahu is called Thama and it means shadow of the junction of the two forces emnating from the Sun and the Earth. regards krishnan Sreenadh <sreelid wrote: Dear All, Why make things this compex??!! In Madhaveeyam we can see the sloka: "Prakasakou dou predhamou grahanam Tara grehe pancha pare tata dou Thamograhou......................" Meaning, The first two (Sun and Moon) are called prakasa grahas. (Since the Sun gives light in day time, and Moon refects the sun's rays in night time, thus giving light to us. Of these Sun is a star and Moon a satelite as we know), the next five (Ma, Me, Ve, Ju, Sa) are called tara grhas (Since they are seen small like a star from earth, and represents normal planets), the next 2 (Ra and Ke) are called tamo grahas (dark planets, since they are just shadows of Earth and Moon, and represented in the mathematical representation of the native at birth time, called horoscope). So, Su - Prakasa graha - It is a star Mo - Prakasa graha - It is the satalite of earth Ma, Me, Ve, Ju, Sa - tara grahas - Normal planets Ra, Ke - shadows of Earth and Moon They are all represented in horosocpe since a horoscope is the mathematical representation of the universe (especially solarsystem)/space_around at the time of birth of the native. So, in short, clearly Ra and Ke exists - mathamatically. And that is what is represented on the horoscope. All this helps us in understanding how the rhythem of the universe, will influence the native's fate. Dear Nalini ji, you asked: > If ketu does not aspect, then why is he called mokshakaraka. > being karaka why does he not have drishti? If you mean Drishti by the word aspect, then is it necessory that a Karaka (significator) should have drishti??!!!!! Do you mean that a mathemetical point Drishti cannot have significance!!!! See, even Signs, Stellar divisions, Houses, Other mathemetical points like Mandi, Gulika etc all are alotted significance. Which makes it clear that, to become a significator, Drishti is not a pre-requesit. From where you got that idea???!!!! I wonder. > it is said because rahu and ketu are chaya grahas, > those who do not have rasmi- the rays. Then are these two not > considered planets at all? > Please explain. As you (or anybody who studied science) know Ra and Ke are shadows (astrologers mean the same when they say chaya grahas). The horoscope gives the mathametical representation of the position of these shadows. They are not planets in the western sense. But they are Grahas.(Grahas = The mathametical points represented in horoscope that can influence destiny of the native) There is no conflict between the understanding of Science and Astrology concerning them. Once the primary understanding is over Science and Astrology diverge and try to use this knowledge in entirely different ways. That is all. Please don't confuse Rasmi and Drishti. If you see the classics, you could see- Drishti Phala - for planets Rasmi Phala - for planets and Rasis. Drishti is the relative angle between the planets, which is supposed to modify the result. Rasmi is a concept that is used to determine the streangth of a planet or sign. Ra and Ke does not have Rasmi. But their relative angle between other Grahas could be considered, and there for Drishti is possible for them as well, as Parasara Muni told us. But to accept this point, first we should come to agreement on the point that Drishti, indicates relative angle between Grahas. I hope the point is clear. Love, Sreenadh , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Sir, > it is my understanding not to disrepect various views of our times about jyotish and to also seers who dealt and length and made available various theories of astrology how ever simple or complicated as they appear to us today > krishnan > This is where probably we are able to take initiative and expalin the role of rahu-ketu.In jyotish terms all issues arising out of nine palnets matter whether felt as coudy as one day and the day different.it is between all of us to find a logic in tune with our sages.perhaps they did not have occassion to go through all our understanding.hence our role and accounatability to make free from controversies nd adopt a balanced approach. > krishnan > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > Hi RR, > > as usual I am not sure what u meant to convey by this reply, u can better expand on this. > > I am sure u agree with divya's reply to Nalini on the purpouse of the ORIGINAL QUESTION on rahu, ketu in line with that like others I wrote 2 mails, as arjun has. > basically the classics r the main source and whaever adjustments need to be done with the, time, socio-political, region specific changes r anyway built-in by ur sages to be a guidline whole making any forecasts. > > Prashant > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: Does the 'reality' and direct experience of a shadow as a real > phenomenon simply vanish, just because today happens to be *cloudy* > day and no shadows are to be seen? > > RR > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > Hi Arjun. > > > > Well this is good picture, pl provide the texts u quoted can > help people who want to know more direct just like the neo- > researches going into madness on Jupiter > > > > the trend of dubbing Jupiter malefic is from TN, where lopsided > transulation of sanskirt works have been happening say amavasya is > the most auspicious day u need not look at anything else. > > > > there is no NO KNOWN CLASSSIC TOsupport this max can be in > MEsha, Vrischika lagnas as it is a Yoga karaka combination, and > happens during day time in Vishaka, Sravana masas in day time. > > > > I HAD ALSO SUBMITTED A mail on dusthana, on a different plan to > past no reaction on it ias come in past 6 weeks. > > some of the traditional lines need to be redrawn as the the > values then were contentment, help others in need, earn a name than > money, no debts if u can'tmake assets, no upmanship but humility etc > > today it is opposite so need to redefine them 3,6,8, 10,11 houses > to suit it please see my postign on this. > > > > BUT QUOTING RAMA'S CHART is outrageous as he lived ina time of > great values, standards. a well placed guru tests ur inner strength > before giving u good results where as malefics just lure one into > it, once u slip it is oneway street rarely u recover out it its vice > grip unless if a materialsitic rahu dasa is followed by a well > placed, associated Guru dasa to follow. > > > > RAMA'S GURU IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF HOW A MAN MUST LIVE IN WORST > OF SITUATIONS, never compromised on any value, set v high standards > in family, as a king, as a husband. > > > > Prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: dear friend JL > > > > your understanding is correct. both as per hindu mythology and > as per present day science, rahu and ketu do not exist. > > > > according to hindu mythology, the demon swarbhanu got a boon from > brahma to get "planet status" and not a real planet. when nectar > > was distributed to gods, this swarbhanu also had some nectar to > which sun and moon complained. based on the complaint of sun and > > moon, this swarbhanu was cut into two by vishnu. later a snake > was cut into two and the body of the snake was attached to the head > of > > swarbhanu and the body of swarbhanu was attached to the head of > the snake. these two half-demon half-snake creatures remained > immortal > > and are called rahu and ketu and given "planetary status" and > they are not planets. with this backdrop we hear stories of rahu > swallowing sun and ketu swallowing moon during eclipses. > > > > according to science, a solar eclipse occurs on a new moon day > (amavasya) when the moon comes in between the sun and the earth > where light of sun is partially or fully blocked by moon from > reaching the earth. a lunar eclipse occurs on a full moon day > (poornima) when earth comes in betwen sun and moon and light of sun > is partialy or fully blocked by earth from reaching moon. > > > > according to the original scriptures viz. samhitas written by > the sages, rahu and ketu do not own any signs and also does not have > any aspect, exaltation, debilitation and mooltrikon. rahu and > ketu also do not form any yogas and hence results of any conjunction > with other planets was also not mentioned in these scriptures. > however, > > results of rahu or ketu in each sign or house was given since > stars were allocated to them because of their planetary status. so > they also have the mahadasa and antardasa results due to their > getting > > the planetary status. > > > > according to all original scriptures, rahu and ketu are rank > malefics. only some modern researches using positive language > attributed "vairagyakaraka" to rahu and "mokshakaraka" to ketu which > gained popularity. these researchers also presented saturn as > planet of patience and were painting saturn, rahu and ketu as > benefics or karmic planets in their own languages. recently i was > > shocked when some researchers were painting jupiter as a rank > malefic and how jupiter spoils his own house and they chose to cite > lord rama's chart saying jupiter as the culprit. if this trend > continues in the name of research, all malefics would become > benefics and all benefics would become malefics. > > > > the above are my own observations and it is your logic to accept > or reject. > > > > with best wishes and regards > > pandit arjun > > > > , Jyotish Learner > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Nalini Ji, > > > > > > Simple he is spiritual. > > > I am not learned scholar like you so I may not be able to > give > > you proper reason plz forgive me. > > > Since he is headless he doesnt aspect. > > > In Kaliyug Rahu and Ketu are not considered as planets. > > > Yes these are "Chaya Grahas". > > > > > > Some consider Rahu as benefic and Ketu as malefic they behave > as > > their sign lords. > > > Plz Learned Guru Jis forgive me if I am wrong as well as > Nalini > > Ji. > > > > > > Happy Learning till then > > > > > > Regards, > > > J.L > > > > > > > > > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > Dear JL, > > > If ketu does not aspect, then why is he called mokshakaraka. > being > > > karaka why does he not have drishti? it is said because rahu > and > > > ketu are chaya grahas, those who do not have rasmi- the > rays.Then > > > are these two not considered planets at all? Please explain. > > > Regards > > > Nalini > > > , Jyotish Learner > > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote: > > > > > > > > how can ketu aspects its totally wrong he is headless he > doesnt > > > have any aspect. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > j.l > > > > > > > > > > > > shriji002 <shriji002@> wrote: > > > > respected astrologers > > > > > > > > please tell what are aspects of rahu,ketu.some say rahu > aspects 5,9,7,12 houses. and ketu aspects houses that rahu aspects. > > > > ie. 3,6,11.houses from it. > > > > some say ketu aspects 5,7,9,12 houses from it. > > > > which view is correct. > > > > > > > > also what impact will solar eclipse have,and till when will > the effect last. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > shri > > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC > and save big. > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > Prashant > > > New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates. > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "" on the web. Messenger with Voice. 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Guest guest Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 dear sreenadh ji having seen your positive contributions in the other group, i appreciate your joining this thread and also this group. with best wishes arjun , "Sreenadh" <sreelid wrote: > > Dear All, > Why make things this compex??!! > In Madhaveeyam we can see the sloka: > "Prakasakou dou predhamou grahanam > Tara grehe pancha pare tata dou > Thamograhou......................" > Meaning, The first two (Sun and Moon) are called prakasa grahas. > (Since the Sun gives light in day time, and Moon refects the sun's > rays in night time, thus giving light to us. Of these Sun is a star > and Moon a satelite as we know), the next five (Ma, Me, Ve, Ju, Sa) > are called tara grhas (Since they are seen small like a star from > earth, and represents normal planets), the next 2 (Ra and Ke) are > called tamo grahas (dark planets, since they are just shadows of > Earth and Moon, and represented in the mathematical representation of > the native at birth time, called horoscope). > So, > Su - Prakasa graha - It is a star > Mo - Prakasa graha - It is the satalite of earth > Ma, Me, Ve, Ju, Sa - tara grahas - Normal planets > Ra, Ke - shadows of Earth and Moon > > They are all represented in horosocpe since a horoscope is the > mathematical representation of the universe (especially > solarsystem)/space_around at the time of birth of the native. > So, in short, clearly Ra and Ke exists - mathamatically. And that is > what is represented on the horoscope. All this helps us in > understanding how the rhythem of the universe, will influence the > native's fate. > Dear Nalini ji, you asked: > > If ketu does not aspect, then why is he called mokshakaraka. > > being karaka why does he not have drishti? > If you mean Drishti by the word aspect, then is it necessory that a > Karaka (significator) should have drishti??!!!!! Do you mean that a > mathemetical point Drishti cannot have significance!!!! See, even > Signs, Stellar divisions, Houses, Other mathemetical points like > Mandi, Gulika etc all are alotted significance. Which makes it clear > that, to become a significator, Drishti is not a pre-requesit. From > where you got that idea???!!!! I wonder. > > it is said because rahu and ketu are chaya grahas, > > those who do not have rasmi- the rays. Then are these two not > > considered planets at all? > > Please explain. > As you (or anybody who studied science) know Ra and Ke are shadows > (astrologers mean the same when they say chaya grahas). The horoscope > gives the mathametical representation of the position of these > shadows. They are not planets in the western sense. But they are > Grahas.(Grahas = The mathametical points represented in horoscope > that can influence destiny of the native) > There is no conflict between the understanding of Science and > Astrology concerning them. Once the primary understanding is over > Science and Astrology diverge and try to use this knowledge in > entirely different ways. That is all. > Please don't confuse Rasmi and Drishti. If you see the classics, you > could see- > Drishti Phala - for planets > Rasmi Phala - for planets and Rasis. > Drishti is the relative angle between the planets, which is supposed > to modify the result. > Rasmi is a concept that is used to determine the streangth of a > planet or sign. > Ra and Ke does not have Rasmi. But their relative angle between > other Grahas could be considered, and there for Drishti is possible > for them as well, as Parasara Muni told us. But to accept this point, > first we should come to agreement on the point that Drishti, > indicates relative angle between Grahas. > I hope the point is clear. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , vattem krishnan > <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > Sir, > > it is my understanding not to disrepect various views of our > times about jyotish and to also seers who dealt and length and made > available various theories of astrology how ever simple or > complicated as they appear to us today > > krishnan > > This is where probably we are able to take initiative and expalin > the role of rahu-ketu.In jyotish terms all issues arising out of nine > palnets matter whether felt as coudy as one day and the day > different.it is between all of us to find a logic in tune with our > sages.perhaps they did not have occassion to go through all our > understanding.hence our role and accounatability to make free from > controversies nd adopt a balanced approach. > > krishnan > > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > Hi RR, > > > > as usual I am not sure what u meant to convey by this reply, u > can better expand on this. > > > > I am sure u agree with divya's reply to Nalini on the purpouse of > the ORIGINAL QUESTION on rahu, ketu in line with that like others I > wrote 2 mails, as arjun has. > > basically the classics r the main source and whaever adjustments > need to be done with the, time, socio-political, region specific > changes r anyway built-in by ur sages to be a guidline whole making > any forecasts. > > > > Prashant > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Does the 'reality' > and direct experience of a shadow as a real > > phenomenon simply vanish, just because today happens to be > *cloudy* > > day and no shadows are to be seen? > > > > RR > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Arjun. > > > > > > Well this is good picture, pl provide the texts u quoted can > > help people who want to know more direct just like the neo- > > researches going into madness on Jupiter > > > > > > the trend of dubbing Jupiter malefic is from TN, where > lopsided > > transulation of sanskirt works have been happening say amavasya > is > > the most auspicious day u need not look at anything else. > > > > > > there is no NO KNOWN CLASSSIC TOsupport this max can be in > > MEsha, Vrischika lagnas as it is a Yoga karaka combination, and > > happens during day time in Vishaka, Sravana masas in day time. > > > > > > I HAD ALSO SUBMITTED A mail on dusthana, on a different plan > to > > past no reaction on it ias come in past 6 weeks. > > > some of the traditional lines need to be redrawn as the the > > values then were contentment, help others in need, earn a name > than > > money, no debts if u can'tmake assets, no upmanship but humility > etc > > > today it is opposite so need to redefine them 3,6,8, 10,11 > houses > > to suit it please see my postign on this. > > > > > > BUT QUOTING RAMA'S CHART is outrageous as he lived ina time > of > > great values, standards. a well placed guru tests ur inner > strength > > before giving u good results where as malefics just lure one > into > > it, once u slip it is oneway street rarely u recover out it its > vice > > grip unless if a materialsitic rahu dasa is followed by a well > > placed, associated Guru dasa to follow. > > > > > > RAMA'S GURU IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF HOW A MAN MUST LIVE IN > WORST > > OF SITUATIONS, never compromised on any value, set v high > standards > > in family, as a king, as a husband. > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: dear friend JL > > > > > > your understanding is correct. both as per hindu mythology > and > > as per present day science, rahu and ketu do not exist. > > > > > > according to hindu mythology, the demon swarbhanu got a boon > from > > brahma to get "planet status" and not a real planet. when nectar > > > was distributed to gods, this swarbhanu also had some nectar > to > > which sun and moon complained. based on the complaint of sun > and > > > moon, this swarbhanu was cut into two by vishnu. later a > snake > > was cut into two and the body of the snake was attached to the > head > > of > > > swarbhanu and the body of swarbhanu was attached to the head > of > > the snake. these two half-demon half-snake creatures remained > > immortal > > > and are called rahu and ketu and given "planetary status" and > > they are not planets. with this backdrop we hear stories of > rahu > > swallowing sun and ketu swallowing moon during eclipses. > > > > > > according to science, a solar eclipse occurs on a new moon > day > > (amavasya) when the moon comes in between the sun and the earth > > where light of sun is partially or fully blocked by moon from > > reaching the earth. a lunar eclipse occurs on a full moon day > > (poornima) when earth comes in betwen sun and moon and light of > sun > > is partialy or fully blocked by earth from reaching moon. > > > > > > according to the original scriptures viz. samhitas written by > > the sages, rahu and ketu do not own any signs and also does not > have > > any aspect, exaltation, debilitation and mooltrikon. rahu and > > ketu also do not form any yogas and hence results of any > conjunction > > with other planets was also not mentioned in these scriptures. > > however, > > > results of rahu or ketu in each sign or house was given since > > stars were allocated to them because of their planetary status. > so > > they also have the mahadasa and antardasa results due to their > > getting > > > the planetary status. > > > > > > according to all original scriptures, rahu and ketu are rank > > malefics. only some modern researches using positive language > > attributed "vairagyakaraka" to rahu and "mokshakaraka" to ketu > which > > gained popularity. these researchers also presented saturn as > > planet of patience and were painting saturn, rahu and ketu as > > benefics or karmic planets in their own languages. recently i > was > > > shocked when some researchers were painting jupiter as a rank > > malefic and how jupiter spoils his own house and they chose to > cite > > lord rama's chart saying jupiter as the culprit. if this trend > > continues in the name of research, all malefics would become > > benefics and all benefics would become malefics. > > > > > > the above are my own observations and it is your logic to > accept > > or reject. > > > > > > with best wishes and regards > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > , Jyotish Learner > > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Nalini Ji, > > > > > > > > Simple he is spiritual. > > > > I am not learned scholar like you so I may not be able to > > give > > > you proper reason plz forgive me. > > > > Since he is headless he doesnt aspect. > > > > In Kaliyug Rahu and Ketu are not considered as planets. > > > > Yes these are "Chaya Grahas". > > > > > > > > Some consider Rahu as benefic and Ketu as malefic they > behave > > as > > > their sign lords. > > > > Plz Learned Guru Jis forgive me if I am wrong as well as > > Nalini > > > Ji. > > > > > > > > Happy Learning till then > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > J.L > > > > > > > > > > > > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > > Dear JL, > > > > If ketu does not aspect, then why is he called > mokshakaraka. > > being > > > > karaka why does he not have drishti? it is said because > rahu > > and > > > > ketu are chaya grahas, those who do not have rasmi- the > > rays.Then > > > > are these two not considered planets at all? Please explain. > > > > Regards > > > > Nalini > > > > , Jyotish Learner > > > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > how can ketu aspects its totally wrong he is headless he > > doesnt > > > > have any aspect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > j.l > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shriji002 <shriji002@> wrote: > > > > > respected astrologers > > > > > > > > > > please tell what are aspects of rahu,ketu.some say rahu > > aspects 5,9,7,12 houses. and ketu aspects houses that rahu > aspects. > > > > > ie. 3,6,11.houses from it. > > > > > some say ketu aspects 5,7,9,12 houses from it. > > > > > which view is correct. > > > > > > > > > > also what impact will solar eclipse have,and till when > will > > the effect last. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > shri > > > > > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > > > > New Messenger with Voice. 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