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Hi RR,

 

as usual I am not sure what u meant to convey by this reply, u can better

expand on this.

 

I am sure u agree with divya's reply to Nalini on the purpouse of the

ORIGINAL QUESTION on rahu, ketu in line with that like others I wrote 2 mails,

as arjun has.

basically the classics r the main source and whaever adjustments need to be

done with the, time, socio-political, region specific changes r anyway built-in

by ur sages to be a guidline whole making any forecasts.

 

Prashant

 

crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: Does the 'reality' and

direct experience of a shadow as a real

phenomenon simply vanish, just because today happens to be *cloudy*

day and no shadows are to be seen?

 

RR

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Hi Arjun.

>

> Well this is good picture, pl provide the texts u quoted can

help people who want to know more direct just like the neo-

researches going into madness on Jupiter

>

> the trend of dubbing Jupiter malefic is from TN, where lopsided

transulation of sanskirt works have been happening say amavasya is

the most auspicious day u need not look at anything else.

>

> there is no NO KNOWN CLASSSIC TOsupport this max can be in

MEsha, Vrischika lagnas as it is a Yoga karaka combination, and

happens during day time in Vishaka, Sravana masas in day time.

>

> I HAD ALSO SUBMITTED A mail on dusthana, on a different plan to

past no reaction on it ias come in past 6 weeks.

> some of the traditional lines need to be redrawn as the the

values then were contentment, help others in need, earn a name than

money, no debts if u can'tmake assets, no upmanship but humility etc

> today it is opposite so need to redefine them 3,6,8, 10,11 houses

to suit it please see my postign on this.

>

> BUT QUOTING RAMA'S CHART is outrageous as he lived ina time of

great values, standards. a well placed guru tests ur inner strength

before giving u good results where as malefics just lure one into

it, once u slip it is oneway street rarely u recover out it its vice

grip unless if a materialsitic rahu dasa is followed by a well

placed, associated Guru dasa to follow.

>

> RAMA'S GURU IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF HOW A MAN MUST LIVE IN WORST

OF SITUATIONS, never compromised on any value, set v high standards

in family, as a king, as a husband.

>

> Prashant

>

>

>

>

>

>

> panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friend JL

>

> your understanding is correct. both as per hindu mythology and

as per present day science, rahu and ketu do not exist.

>

> according to hindu mythology, the demon swarbhanu got a boon from

brahma to get "planet status" and not a real planet. when nectar

> was distributed to gods, this swarbhanu also had some nectar to

which sun and moon complained. based on the complaint of sun and

> moon, this swarbhanu was cut into two by vishnu. later a snake

was cut into two and the body of the snake was attached to the head

of

> swarbhanu and the body of swarbhanu was attached to the head of

the snake. these two half-demon half-snake creatures remained

immortal

> and are called rahu and ketu and given "planetary status" and

they are not planets. with this backdrop we hear stories of rahu

swallowing sun and ketu swallowing moon during eclipses.

>

> according to science, a solar eclipse occurs on a new moon day

(amavasya) when the moon comes in between the sun and the earth

where light of sun is partially or fully blocked by moon from

reaching the earth. a lunar eclipse occurs on a full moon day

(poornima) when earth comes in betwen sun and moon and light of sun

is partialy or fully blocked by earth from reaching moon.

>

> according to the original scriptures viz. samhitas written by

the sages, rahu and ketu do not own any signs and also does not have

any aspect, exaltation, debilitation and mooltrikon. rahu and

ketu also do not form any yogas and hence results of any conjunction

with other planets was also not mentioned in these scriptures.

however,

> results of rahu or ketu in each sign or house was given since

stars were allocated to them because of their planetary status. so

they also have the mahadasa and antardasa results due to their

getting

> the planetary status.

>

> according to all original scriptures, rahu and ketu are rank

malefics. only some modern researches using positive language

attributed "vairagyakaraka" to rahu and "mokshakaraka" to ketu which

gained popularity. these researchers also presented saturn as

planet of patience and were painting saturn, rahu and ketu as

benefics or karmic planets in their own languages. recently i was

> shocked when some researchers were painting jupiter as a rank

malefic and how jupiter spoils his own house and they chose to cite

lord rama's chart saying jupiter as the culprit. if this trend

continues in the name of research, all malefics would become

benefics and all benefics would become malefics.

>

> the above are my own observations and it is your logic to accept

or reject.

>

> with best wishes and regards

> pandit arjun

>

> , Jyotish Learner

> <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Nalini Ji,

> >

> > Simple he is spiritual.

> > I am not learned scholar like you so I may not be able to

give

> you proper reason plz forgive me.

> > Since he is headless he doesnt aspect.

> > In Kaliyug Rahu and Ketu are not considered as planets.

> > Yes these are "Chaya Grahas".

> >

> > Some consider Rahu as benefic and Ketu as malefic they behave

as

> their sign lords.

> > Plz Learned Guru Jis forgive me if I am wrong as well as

Nalini

> Ji.

> >

> > Happy Learning till then

> >

> > Regards,

> > J.L

> >

> >

> > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > Dear JL,

> > If ketu does not aspect, then why is he called mokshakaraka.

being

> > karaka why does he not have drishti? it is said because rahu

and

> > ketu are chaya grahas, those who do not have rasmi- the

rays.Then

> > are these two not considered planets at all? Please explain.

> > Regards

> > Nalini

> > , Jyotish Learner

> > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:

> > >

> > > how can ketu aspects its totally wrong he is headless he

doesnt

> > have any aspect.

> > >

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > j.l

> > >

> > >

> > > shriji002 <shriji002@> wrote:

> > > respected astrologers

> > >

> > > please tell what are aspects of rahu,ketu.some say rahu

aspects 5,9,7,12 houses. and ketu aspects houses that rahu aspects.

> > > ie. 3,6,11.houses from it.

> > > some say ketu aspects 5,7,9,12 houses from it.

> > > which view is correct.

> > >

> > > also what impact will solar eclipse have,and till when will

the effect last.

> > >

> > > regards

> > > shri

> >

>

> Prashant

>

>

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Sir,

it is my understanding not to disrepect various views of our times about

jyotish and to also seers who dealt and length and made available various

theories of astrology how ever simple or complicated as they appear to us today

krishnan

This is where probably we are able to take initiative and expalin the role of

rahu-ketu.In jyotish terms all issues arising out of nine palnets matter whether

felt as coudy as one day and the day different.it is between all of us to find a

logic in tune with our sages.perhaps they did not have occassion to go through

all our understanding.hence our role and accounatability to make free from

controversies nd adopt a balanced approach.

krishnan

 

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote:

Hi RR,

 

as usual I am not sure what u meant to convey by this reply, u can better

expand on this.

 

I am sure u agree with divya's reply to Nalini on the purpouse of the

ORIGINAL QUESTION on rahu, ketu in line with that like others I wrote 2 mails,

as arjun has.

basically the classics r the main source and whaever adjustments need to be

done with the, time, socio-political, region specific changes r anyway built-in

by ur sages to be a guidline whole making any forecasts.

 

Prashant

 

crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: Does the 'reality' and

direct experience of a shadow as a real

phenomenon simply vanish, just because today happens to be *cloudy*

day and no shadows are to be seen?

 

RR

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Hi Arjun.

>

> Well this is good picture, pl provide the texts u quoted can

help people who want to know more direct just like the neo-

researches going into madness on Jupiter

>

> the trend of dubbing Jupiter malefic is from TN, where lopsided

transulation of sanskirt works have been happening say amavasya is

the most auspicious day u need not look at anything else.

>

> there is no NO KNOWN CLASSSIC TOsupport this max can be in

MEsha, Vrischika lagnas as it is a Yoga karaka combination, and

happens during day time in Vishaka, Sravana masas in day time.

>

> I HAD ALSO SUBMITTED A mail on dusthana, on a different plan to

past no reaction on it ias come in past 6 weeks.

> some of the traditional lines need to be redrawn as the the

values then were contentment, help others in need, earn a name than

money, no debts if u can'tmake assets, no upmanship but humility etc

> today it is opposite so need to redefine them 3,6,8, 10,11 houses

to suit it please see my postign on this.

>

> BUT QUOTING RAMA'S CHART is outrageous as he lived ina time of

great values, standards. a well placed guru tests ur inner strength

before giving u good results where as malefics just lure one into

it, once u slip it is oneway street rarely u recover out it its vice

grip unless if a materialsitic rahu dasa is followed by a well

placed, associated Guru dasa to follow.

>

> RAMA'S GURU IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF HOW A MAN MUST LIVE IN WORST

OF SITUATIONS, never compromised on any value, set v high standards

in family, as a king, as a husband.

>

> Prashant

>

>

>

>

>

>

> panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friend JL

>

> your understanding is correct. both as per hindu mythology and

as per present day science, rahu and ketu do not exist.

>

> according to hindu mythology, the demon swarbhanu got a boon from

brahma to get "planet status" and not a real planet. when nectar

> was distributed to gods, this swarbhanu also had some nectar to

which sun and moon complained. based on the complaint of sun and

> moon, this swarbhanu was cut into two by vishnu. later a snake

was cut into two and the body of the snake was attached to the head

of

> swarbhanu and the body of swarbhanu was attached to the head of

the snake. these two half-demon half-snake creatures remained

immortal

> and are called rahu and ketu and given "planetary status" and

they are not planets. with this backdrop we hear stories of rahu

swallowing sun and ketu swallowing moon during eclipses.

>

> according to science, a solar eclipse occurs on a new moon day

(amavasya) when the moon comes in between the sun and the earth

where light of sun is partially or fully blocked by moon from

reaching the earth. a lunar eclipse occurs on a full moon day

(poornima) when earth comes in betwen sun and moon and light of sun

is partialy or fully blocked by earth from reaching moon.

>

> according to the original scriptures viz. samhitas written by

the sages, rahu and ketu do not own any signs and also does not have

any aspect, exaltation, debilitation and mooltrikon. rahu and

ketu also do not form any yogas and hence results of any conjunction

with other planets was also not mentioned in these scriptures.

however,

> results of rahu or ketu in each sign or house was given since

stars were allocated to them because of their planetary status. so

they also have the mahadasa and antardasa results due to their

getting

> the planetary status.

>

> according to all original scriptures, rahu and ketu are rank

malefics. only some modern researches using positive language

attributed "vairagyakaraka" to rahu and "mokshakaraka" to ketu which

gained popularity. these researchers also presented saturn as

planet of patience and were painting saturn, rahu and ketu as

benefics or karmic planets in their own languages. recently i was

> shocked when some researchers were painting jupiter as a rank

malefic and how jupiter spoils his own house and they chose to cite

lord rama's chart saying jupiter as the culprit. if this trend

continues in the name of research, all malefics would become

benefics and all benefics would become malefics.

>

> the above are my own observations and it is your logic to accept

or reject.

>

> with best wishes and regards

> pandit arjun

>

> , Jyotish Learner

> <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Nalini Ji,

> >

> > Simple he is spiritual.

> > I am not learned scholar like you so I may not be able to

give

> you proper reason plz forgive me.

> > Since he is headless he doesnt aspect.

> > In Kaliyug Rahu and Ketu are not considered as planets.

> > Yes these are "Chaya Grahas".

> >

> > Some consider Rahu as benefic and Ketu as malefic they behave

as

> their sign lords.

> > Plz Learned Guru Jis forgive me if I am wrong as well as

Nalini

> Ji.

> >

> > Happy Learning till then

> >

> > Regards,

> > J.L

> >

> >

> > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > Dear JL,

> > If ketu does not aspect, then why is he called mokshakaraka.

being

> > karaka why does he not have drishti? it is said because rahu

and

> > ketu are chaya grahas, those who do not have rasmi- the

rays.Then

> > are these two not considered planets at all? Please explain.

> > Regards

> > Nalini

> > , Jyotish Learner

> > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:

> > >

> > > how can ketu aspects its totally wrong he is headless he

doesnt

> > have any aspect.

> > >

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > j.l

> > >

> > >

> > > shriji002 <shriji002@> wrote:

> > > respected astrologers

> > >

> > > please tell what are aspects of rahu,ketu.some say rahu

aspects 5,9,7,12 houses. and ketu aspects houses that rahu aspects.

> > > ie. 3,6,11.houses from it.

> > > some say ketu aspects 5,7,9,12 houses from it.

> > > which view is correct.

> > >

> > > also what impact will solar eclipse have,and till when will

the effect last.

> > >

> > > regards

> > > shri

> >

>

> Prashant

>

>

> New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC

and save big.

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

 

 

 

 

 

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you sound like Tanvir! Sorry if I am coming across as so

incomprehensible and inscrutable!

 

Nodes are shadow planets, chaaya grihas. Shadows come alive only when

the light is bright, when the clouds are not covering the main source

of light!

 

Nodes really make their presence felt when the light is bright and

the shadow falls on something -- usually the area in the chart

influenced by their presence!

 

RR

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Hi RR,

>

> as usual I am not sure what u meant to convey by this reply, u

can better expand on this.

>

> I am sure u agree with divya's reply to Nalini on the purpouse of

the ORIGINAL QUESTION on rahu, ketu in line with that like others I

wrote 2 mails, as arjun has.

> basically the classics r the main source and whaever adjustments

need to be done with the, time, socio-political, region specific

changes r anyway built-in by ur sages to be a guidline whole making

any forecasts.

>

> Prashant

>

> crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: Does the 'reality'

and direct experience of a shadow as a real

> phenomenon simply vanish, just because today happens to be

*cloudy*

> day and no shadows are to be seen?

>

> RR

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Arjun.

> >

> > Well this is good picture, pl provide the texts u quoted can

> help people who want to know more direct just like the neo-

> researches going into madness on Jupiter

> >

> > the trend of dubbing Jupiter malefic is from TN, where

lopsided

> transulation of sanskirt works have been happening say amavasya

is

> the most auspicious day u need not look at anything else.

> >

> > there is no NO KNOWN CLASSSIC TOsupport this max can be in

> MEsha, Vrischika lagnas as it is a Yoga karaka combination, and

> happens during day time in Vishaka, Sravana masas in day time.

> >

> > I HAD ALSO SUBMITTED A mail on dusthana, on a different plan

to

> past no reaction on it ias come in past 6 weeks.

> > some of the traditional lines need to be redrawn as the the

> values then were contentment, help others in need, earn a name

than

> money, no debts if u can'tmake assets, no upmanship but humility

etc

> > today it is opposite so need to redefine them 3,6,8, 10,11

houses

> to suit it please see my postign on this.

> >

> > BUT QUOTING RAMA'S CHART is outrageous as he lived ina time

of

> great values, standards. a well placed guru tests ur inner

strength

> before giving u good results where as malefics just lure one

into

> it, once u slip it is oneway street rarely u recover out it its

vice

> grip unless if a materialsitic rahu dasa is followed by a well

> placed, associated Guru dasa to follow.

> >

> > RAMA'S GURU IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF HOW A MAN MUST LIVE IN

WORST

> OF SITUATIONS, never compromised on any value, set v high

standards

> in family, as a king, as a husband.

> >

> > Prashant

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: dear friend JL

> >

> > your understanding is correct. both as per hindu mythology

and

> as per present day science, rahu and ketu do not exist.

> >

> > according to hindu mythology, the demon swarbhanu got a boon

from

> brahma to get "planet status" and not a real planet. when nectar

> > was distributed to gods, this swarbhanu also had some nectar

to

> which sun and moon complained. based on the complaint of sun

and

> > moon, this swarbhanu was cut into two by vishnu. later a

snake

> was cut into two and the body of the snake was attached to the

head

> of

> > swarbhanu and the body of swarbhanu was attached to the head

of

> the snake. these two half-demon half-snake creatures remained

> immortal

> > and are called rahu and ketu and given "planetary status" and

> they are not planets. with this backdrop we hear stories of

rahu

> swallowing sun and ketu swallowing moon during eclipses.

> >

> > according to science, a solar eclipse occurs on a new moon

day

> (amavasya) when the moon comes in between the sun and the earth

> where light of sun is partially or fully blocked by moon from

> reaching the earth. a lunar eclipse occurs on a full moon day

> (poornima) when earth comes in betwen sun and moon and light of

sun

> is partialy or fully blocked by earth from reaching moon.

> >

> > according to the original scriptures viz. samhitas written by

> the sages, rahu and ketu do not own any signs and also does not

have

> any aspect, exaltation, debilitation and mooltrikon. rahu and

> ketu also do not form any yogas and hence results of any

conjunction

> with other planets was also not mentioned in these scriptures.

> however,

> > results of rahu or ketu in each sign or house was given since

> stars were allocated to them because of their planetary status.

so

> they also have the mahadasa and antardasa results due to their

> getting

> > the planetary status.

> >

> > according to all original scriptures, rahu and ketu are rank

> malefics. only some modern researches using positive language

> attributed "vairagyakaraka" to rahu and "mokshakaraka" to ketu

which

> gained popularity. these researchers also presented saturn as

> planet of patience and were painting saturn, rahu and ketu as

> benefics or karmic planets in their own languages. recently i

was

> > shocked when some researchers were painting jupiter as a rank

> malefic and how jupiter spoils his own house and they chose to

cite

> lord rama's chart saying jupiter as the culprit. if this trend

> continues in the name of research, all malefics would become

> benefics and all benefics would become malefics.

> >

> > the above are my own observations and it is your logic to

accept

> or reject.

> >

> > with best wishes and regards

> > pandit arjun

> >

> > , Jyotish Learner

> > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Nalini Ji,

> > >

> > > Simple he is spiritual.

> > > I am not learned scholar like you so I may not be able to

> give

> > you proper reason plz forgive me.

> > > Since he is headless he doesnt aspect.

> > > In Kaliyug Rahu and Ketu are not considered as planets.

> > > Yes these are "Chaya Grahas".

> > >

> > > Some consider Rahu as benefic and Ketu as malefic they

behave

> as

> > their sign lords.

> > > Plz Learned Guru Jis forgive me if I am wrong as well as

> Nalini

> > Ji.

> > >

> > > Happy Learning till then

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > J.L

> > >

> > >

> > > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > Dear JL,

> > > If ketu does not aspect, then why is he called

mokshakaraka.

> being

> > > karaka why does he not have drishti? it is said because

rahu

> and

> > > ketu are chaya grahas, those who do not have rasmi- the

> rays.Then

> > > are these two not considered planets at all? Please explain.

> > > Regards

> > > Nalini

> > > , Jyotish Learner

> > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > how can ketu aspects its totally wrong he is headless he

> doesnt

> > > have any aspect.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > j.l

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > shriji002 <shriji002@> wrote:

> > > > respected astrologers

> > > >

> > > > please tell what are aspects of rahu,ketu.some say rahu

> aspects 5,9,7,12 houses. and ketu aspects houses that rahu

aspects.

> > > > ie. 3,6,11.houses from it.

> > > > some say ketu aspects 5,7,9,12 houses from it.

> > > > which view is correct.

> > > >

> > > > also what impact will solar eclipse have,and till when

will

> the effect last.

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > shri

> > >

> >

> > Prashant

> >

> >

> > New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your

PC

> and save big.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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Dear All,

Why make things this compex??!!

In Madhaveeyam we can see the sloka:

"Prakasakou dou predhamou grahanam

Tara grehe pancha pare tata dou

Thamograhou......................"

Meaning, The first two (Sun and Moon) are called prakasa grahas.

(Since the Sun gives light in day time, and Moon refects the sun's

rays in night time, thus giving light to us. Of these Sun is a star

and Moon a satelite as we know), the next five (Ma, Me, Ve, Ju, Sa)

are called tara grhas (Since they are seen small like a star from

earth, and represents normal planets), the next 2 (Ra and Ke) are

called tamo grahas (dark planets, since they are just shadows of

Earth and Moon, and represented in the mathematical representation of

the native at birth time, called horoscope).

So,

Su - Prakasa graha - It is a star

Mo - Prakasa graha - It is the satalite of earth

Ma, Me, Ve, Ju, Sa - tara grahas - Normal planets

Ra, Ke - shadows of Earth and Moon

 

They are all represented in horosocpe since a horoscope is the

mathematical representation of the universe (especially

solarsystem)/space_around at the time of birth of the native.

So, in short, clearly Ra and Ke exists - mathamatically. And that is

what is represented on the horoscope. All this helps us in

understanding how the rhythem of the universe, will influence the

native's fate.

Dear Nalini ji, you asked:

> If ketu does not aspect, then why is he called mokshakaraka.

> being karaka why does he not have drishti?

If you mean Drishti by the word aspect, then is it necessory that a

Karaka (significator) should have drishti??!!!!! Do you mean that a

mathemetical point Drishti cannot have significance!!!! See, even

Signs, Stellar divisions, Houses, Other mathemetical points like

Mandi, Gulika etc all are alotted significance. Which makes it clear

that, to become a significator, Drishti is not a pre-requesit. From

where you got that idea???!!!! I wonder.

> it is said because rahu and ketu are chaya grahas,

> those who do not have rasmi- the rays. Then are these two not

> considered planets at all?

> Please explain.

As you (or anybody who studied science) know Ra and Ke are shadows

(astrologers mean the same when they say chaya grahas). The horoscope

gives the mathametical representation of the position of these

shadows. They are not planets in the western sense. But they are

Grahas.(Grahas = The mathametical points represented in horoscope

that can influence destiny of the native)

There is no conflict between the understanding of Science and

Astrology concerning them. Once the primary understanding is over

Science and Astrology diverge and try to use this knowledge in

entirely different ways. That is all.

Please don't confuse Rasmi and Drishti. If you see the classics, you

could see-

Drishti Phala - for planets

Rasmi Phala - for planets and Rasis.

Drishti is the relative angle between the planets, which is supposed

to modify the result.

Rasmi is a concept that is used to determine the streangth of a

planet or sign.

Ra and Ke does not have Rasmi. But their relative angle between

other Grahas could be considered, and there for Drishti is possible

for them as well, as Parasara Muni told us. But to accept this point,

first we should come to agreement on the point that Drishti,

indicates relative angle between Grahas.

I hope the point is clear.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Sir,

> it is my understanding not to disrepect various views of our

times about jyotish and to also seers who dealt and length and made

available various theories of astrology how ever simple or

complicated as they appear to us today

> krishnan

> This is where probably we are able to take initiative and expalin

the role of rahu-ketu.In jyotish terms all issues arising out of nine

palnets matter whether felt as coudy as one day and the day

different.it is between all of us to find a logic in tune with our

sages.perhaps they did not have occassion to go through all our

understanding.hence our role and accounatability to make free from

controversies nd adopt a balanced approach.

> krishnan

>

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote:

> Hi RR,

>

> as usual I am not sure what u meant to convey by this reply, u

can better expand on this.

>

> I am sure u agree with divya's reply to Nalini on the purpouse of

the ORIGINAL QUESTION on rahu, ketu in line with that like others I

wrote 2 mails, as arjun has.

> basically the classics r the main source and whaever adjustments

need to be done with the, time, socio-political, region specific

changes r anyway built-in by ur sages to be a guidline whole making

any forecasts.

>

> Prashant

>

> crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: Does the 'reality'

and direct experience of a shadow as a real

> phenomenon simply vanish, just because today happens to be

*cloudy*

> day and no shadows are to be seen?

>

> RR

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Arjun.

> >

> > Well this is good picture, pl provide the texts u quoted can

> help people who want to know more direct just like the neo-

> researches going into madness on Jupiter

> >

> > the trend of dubbing Jupiter malefic is from TN, where

lopsided

> transulation of sanskirt works have been happening say amavasya

is

> the most auspicious day u need not look at anything else.

> >

> > there is no NO KNOWN CLASSSIC TOsupport this max can be in

> MEsha, Vrischika lagnas as it is a Yoga karaka combination, and

> happens during day time in Vishaka, Sravana masas in day time.

> >

> > I HAD ALSO SUBMITTED A mail on dusthana, on a different plan

to

> past no reaction on it ias come in past 6 weeks.

> > some of the traditional lines need to be redrawn as the the

> values then were contentment, help others in need, earn a name

than

> money, no debts if u can'tmake assets, no upmanship but humility

etc

> > today it is opposite so need to redefine them 3,6,8, 10,11

houses

> to suit it please see my postign on this.

> >

> > BUT QUOTING RAMA'S CHART is outrageous as he lived ina time

of

> great values, standards. a well placed guru tests ur inner

strength

> before giving u good results where as malefics just lure one

into

> it, once u slip it is oneway street rarely u recover out it its

vice

> grip unless if a materialsitic rahu dasa is followed by a well

> placed, associated Guru dasa to follow.

> >

> > RAMA'S GURU IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF HOW A MAN MUST LIVE IN

WORST

> OF SITUATIONS, never compromised on any value, set v high

standards

> in family, as a king, as a husband.

> >

> > Prashant

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: dear friend JL

> >

> > your understanding is correct. both as per hindu mythology

and

> as per present day science, rahu and ketu do not exist.

> >

> > according to hindu mythology, the demon swarbhanu got a boon

from

> brahma to get "planet status" and not a real planet. when nectar

> > was distributed to gods, this swarbhanu also had some nectar

to

> which sun and moon complained. based on the complaint of sun

and

> > moon, this swarbhanu was cut into two by vishnu. later a

snake

> was cut into two and the body of the snake was attached to the

head

> of

> > swarbhanu and the body of swarbhanu was attached to the head

of

> the snake. these two half-demon half-snake creatures remained

> immortal

> > and are called rahu and ketu and given "planetary status" and

> they are not planets. with this backdrop we hear stories of

rahu

> swallowing sun and ketu swallowing moon during eclipses.

> >

> > according to science, a solar eclipse occurs on a new moon

day

> (amavasya) when the moon comes in between the sun and the earth

> where light of sun is partially or fully blocked by moon from

> reaching the earth. a lunar eclipse occurs on a full moon day

> (poornima) when earth comes in betwen sun and moon and light of

sun

> is partialy or fully blocked by earth from reaching moon.

> >

> > according to the original scriptures viz. samhitas written by

> the sages, rahu and ketu do not own any signs and also does not

have

> any aspect, exaltation, debilitation and mooltrikon. rahu and

> ketu also do not form any yogas and hence results of any

conjunction

> with other planets was also not mentioned in these scriptures.

> however,

> > results of rahu or ketu in each sign or house was given since

> stars were allocated to them because of their planetary status.

so

> they also have the mahadasa and antardasa results due to their

> getting

> > the planetary status.

> >

> > according to all original scriptures, rahu and ketu are rank

> malefics. only some modern researches using positive language

> attributed "vairagyakaraka" to rahu and "mokshakaraka" to ketu

which

> gained popularity. these researchers also presented saturn as

> planet of patience and were painting saturn, rahu and ketu as

> benefics or karmic planets in their own languages. recently i

was

> > shocked when some researchers were painting jupiter as a rank

> malefic and how jupiter spoils his own house and they chose to

cite

> lord rama's chart saying jupiter as the culprit. if this trend

> continues in the name of research, all malefics would become

> benefics and all benefics would become malefics.

> >

> > the above are my own observations and it is your logic to

accept

> or reject.

> >

> > with best wishes and regards

> > pandit arjun

> >

> > , Jyotish Learner

> > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Nalini Ji,

> > >

> > > Simple he is spiritual.

> > > I am not learned scholar like you so I may not be able to

> give

> > you proper reason plz forgive me.

> > > Since he is headless he doesnt aspect.

> > > In Kaliyug Rahu and Ketu are not considered as planets.

> > > Yes these are "Chaya Grahas".

> > >

> > > Some consider Rahu as benefic and Ketu as malefic they

behave

> as

> > their sign lords.

> > > Plz Learned Guru Jis forgive me if I am wrong as well as

> Nalini

> > Ji.

> > >

> > > Happy Learning till then

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > J.L

> > >

> > >

> > > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > Dear JL,

> > > If ketu does not aspect, then why is he called

mokshakaraka.

> being

> > > karaka why does he not have drishti? it is said because

rahu

> and

> > > ketu are chaya grahas, those who do not have rasmi- the

> rays.Then

> > > are these two not considered planets at all? Please explain.

> > > Regards

> > > Nalini

> > > , Jyotish Learner

> > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > how can ketu aspects its totally wrong he is headless he

> doesnt

> > > have any aspect.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > j.l

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > shriji002 <shriji002@> wrote:

> > > > respected astrologers

> > > >

> > > > please tell what are aspects of rahu,ketu.some say rahu

> aspects 5,9,7,12 houses. and ketu aspects houses that rahu

aspects.

> > > > ie. 3,6,11.houses from it.

> > > > some say ketu aspects 5,7,9,12 houses from it.

> > > > which view is correct.

> > > >

> > > > also what impact will solar eclipse have,and till when

will

> the effect last.

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > shri

> > >

> >

> > Prashant

> >

> >

> > New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your

PC

> and save big.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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Dear Mr.Sreenadh,

it is really commendable you have come up with a very lucid explanation which

ofcourse satiate modern jyotishis raging controversy of benifics and

malefics.fundamentals are fundamentals and one need not make any effort to

provide logic and make them agreeable to the view points.in this connection I

was just fascinated to point to few lines written with wisdom by none else than

by late B.Suryanarain Rao in his Sarvartha Chintamani(Introduction P6

Mani,Mantra and Oushadh)"No body knows exactly what science means now a days now

days but every one talks of modern sciences as if it is the easiest thing for

one to know in this world"

The predictive portion of Astrology is even more difficult than the rest of

the Atrology for any one to understand:and in comprehending of these rules...."

 

.....their ignorance of various branches of learning which are helps to the

study of Astrology was against their understanding it properly"

Rightly as mentioned by you"Rahu is called Thama and it means shadow of the

junction of the two forces emnating from the Sun and the Earth.

regards

krishnan

 

Sreenadh <sreelid wrote:

Dear All,

Why make things this compex??!!

In Madhaveeyam we can see the sloka:

"Prakasakou dou predhamou grahanam

Tara grehe pancha pare tata dou

Thamograhou......................"

Meaning, The first two (Sun and Moon) are called prakasa grahas.

(Since the Sun gives light in day time, and Moon refects the sun's

rays in night time, thus giving light to us. Of these Sun is a star

and Moon a satelite as we know), the next five (Ma, Me, Ve, Ju, Sa)

are called tara grhas (Since they are seen small like a star from

earth, and represents normal planets), the next 2 (Ra and Ke) are

called tamo grahas (dark planets, since they are just shadows of

Earth and Moon, and represented in the mathematical representation of

the native at birth time, called horoscope).

So,

Su - Prakasa graha - It is a star

Mo - Prakasa graha - It is the satalite of earth

Ma, Me, Ve, Ju, Sa - tara grahas - Normal planets

Ra, Ke - shadows of Earth and Moon

 

They are all represented in horosocpe since a horoscope is the

mathematical representation of the universe (especially

solarsystem)/space_around at the time of birth of the native.

So, in short, clearly Ra and Ke exists - mathamatically. And that is

what is represented on the horoscope. All this helps us in

understanding how the rhythem of the universe, will influence the

native's fate.

Dear Nalini ji, you asked:

> If ketu does not aspect, then why is he called mokshakaraka.

> being karaka why does he not have drishti?

If you mean Drishti by the word aspect, then is it necessory that a

Karaka (significator) should have drishti??!!!!! Do you mean that a

mathemetical point Drishti cannot have significance!!!! See, even

Signs, Stellar divisions, Houses, Other mathemetical points like

Mandi, Gulika etc all are alotted significance. Which makes it clear

that, to become a significator, Drishti is not a pre-requesit. From

where you got that idea???!!!! I wonder.

> it is said because rahu and ketu are chaya grahas,

> those who do not have rasmi- the rays. Then are these two not

> considered planets at all?

> Please explain.

As you (or anybody who studied science) know Ra and Ke are shadows

(astrologers mean the same when they say chaya grahas). The horoscope

gives the mathametical representation of the position of these

shadows. They are not planets in the western sense. But they are

Grahas.(Grahas = The mathametical points represented in horoscope

that can influence destiny of the native)

There is no conflict between the understanding of Science and

Astrology concerning them. Once the primary understanding is over

Science and Astrology diverge and try to use this knowledge in

entirely different ways. That is all.

Please don't confuse Rasmi and Drishti. If you see the classics, you

could see-

Drishti Phala - for planets

Rasmi Phala - for planets and Rasis.

Drishti is the relative angle between the planets, which is supposed

to modify the result.

Rasmi is a concept that is used to determine the streangth of a

planet or sign.

Ra and Ke does not have Rasmi. But their relative angle between

other Grahas could be considered, and there for Drishti is possible

for them as well, as Parasara Muni told us. But to accept this point,

first we should come to agreement on the point that Drishti,

indicates relative angle between Grahas.

I hope the point is clear.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Sir,

> it is my understanding not to disrepect various views of our

times about jyotish and to also seers who dealt and length and made

available various theories of astrology how ever simple or

complicated as they appear to us today

> krishnan

> This is where probably we are able to take initiative and expalin

the role of rahu-ketu.In jyotish terms all issues arising out of nine

palnets matter whether felt as coudy as one day and the day

different.it is between all of us to find a logic in tune with our

sages.perhaps they did not have occassion to go through all our

understanding.hence our role and accounatability to make free from

controversies nd adopt a balanced approach.

> krishnan

>

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote:

> Hi RR,

>

> as usual I am not sure what u meant to convey by this reply, u

can better expand on this.

>

> I am sure u agree with divya's reply to Nalini on the purpouse of

the ORIGINAL QUESTION on rahu, ketu in line with that like others I

wrote 2 mails, as arjun has.

> basically the classics r the main source and whaever adjustments

need to be done with the, time, socio-political, region specific

changes r anyway built-in by ur sages to be a guidline whole making

any forecasts.

>

> Prashant

>

> crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: Does the 'reality'

and direct experience of a shadow as a real

> phenomenon simply vanish, just because today happens to be

*cloudy*

> day and no shadows are to be seen?

>

> RR

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Arjun.

> >

> > Well this is good picture, pl provide the texts u quoted can

> help people who want to know more direct just like the neo-

> researches going into madness on Jupiter

> >

> > the trend of dubbing Jupiter malefic is from TN, where

lopsided

> transulation of sanskirt works have been happening say amavasya

is

> the most auspicious day u need not look at anything else.

> >

> > there is no NO KNOWN CLASSSIC TOsupport this max can be in

> MEsha, Vrischika lagnas as it is a Yoga karaka combination, and

> happens during day time in Vishaka, Sravana masas in day time.

> >

> > I HAD ALSO SUBMITTED A mail on dusthana, on a different plan

to

> past no reaction on it ias come in past 6 weeks.

> > some of the traditional lines need to be redrawn as the the

> values then were contentment, help others in need, earn a name

than

> money, no debts if u can'tmake assets, no upmanship but humility

etc

> > today it is opposite so need to redefine them 3,6,8, 10,11

houses

> to suit it please see my postign on this.

> >

> > BUT QUOTING RAMA'S CHART is outrageous as he lived ina time

of

> great values, standards. a well placed guru tests ur inner

strength

> before giving u good results where as malefics just lure one

into

> it, once u slip it is oneway street rarely u recover out it its

vice

> grip unless if a materialsitic rahu dasa is followed by a well

> placed, associated Guru dasa to follow.

> >

> > RAMA'S GURU IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF HOW A MAN MUST LIVE IN

WORST

> OF SITUATIONS, never compromised on any value, set v high

standards

> in family, as a king, as a husband.

> >

> > Prashant

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: dear friend JL

> >

> > your understanding is correct. both as per hindu mythology

and

> as per present day science, rahu and ketu do not exist.

> >

> > according to hindu mythology, the demon swarbhanu got a boon

from

> brahma to get "planet status" and not a real planet. when nectar

> > was distributed to gods, this swarbhanu also had some nectar

to

> which sun and moon complained. based on the complaint of sun

and

> > moon, this swarbhanu was cut into two by vishnu. later a

snake

> was cut into two and the body of the snake was attached to the

head

> of

> > swarbhanu and the body of swarbhanu was attached to the head

of

> the snake. these two half-demon half-snake creatures remained

> immortal

> > and are called rahu and ketu and given "planetary status" and

> they are not planets. with this backdrop we hear stories of

rahu

> swallowing sun and ketu swallowing moon during eclipses.

> >

> > according to science, a solar eclipse occurs on a new moon

day

> (amavasya) when the moon comes in between the sun and the earth

> where light of sun is partially or fully blocked by moon from

> reaching the earth. a lunar eclipse occurs on a full moon day

> (poornima) when earth comes in betwen sun and moon and light of

sun

> is partialy or fully blocked by earth from reaching moon.

> >

> > according to the original scriptures viz. samhitas written by

> the sages, rahu and ketu do not own any signs and also does not

have

> any aspect, exaltation, debilitation and mooltrikon. rahu and

> ketu also do not form any yogas and hence results of any

conjunction

> with other planets was also not mentioned in these scriptures.

> however,

> > results of rahu or ketu in each sign or house was given since

> stars were allocated to them because of their planetary status.

so

> they also have the mahadasa and antardasa results due to their

> getting

> > the planetary status.

> >

> > according to all original scriptures, rahu and ketu are rank

> malefics. only some modern researches using positive language

> attributed "vairagyakaraka" to rahu and "mokshakaraka" to ketu

which

> gained popularity. these researchers also presented saturn as

> planet of patience and were painting saturn, rahu and ketu as

> benefics or karmic planets in their own languages. recently i

was

> > shocked when some researchers were painting jupiter as a rank

> malefic and how jupiter spoils his own house and they chose to

cite

> lord rama's chart saying jupiter as the culprit. if this trend

> continues in the name of research, all malefics would become

> benefics and all benefics would become malefics.

> >

> > the above are my own observations and it is your logic to

accept

> or reject.

> >

> > with best wishes and regards

> > pandit arjun

> >

> > , Jyotish Learner

> > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Nalini Ji,

> > >

> > > Simple he is spiritual.

> > > I am not learned scholar like you so I may not be able to

> give

> > you proper reason plz forgive me.

> > > Since he is headless he doesnt aspect.

> > > In Kaliyug Rahu and Ketu are not considered as planets.

> > > Yes these are "Chaya Grahas".

> > >

> > > Some consider Rahu as benefic and Ketu as malefic they

behave

> as

> > their sign lords.

> > > Plz Learned Guru Jis forgive me if I am wrong as well as

> Nalini

> > Ji.

> > >

> > > Happy Learning till then

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > J.L

> > >

> > >

> > > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > Dear JL,

> > > If ketu does not aspect, then why is he called

mokshakaraka.

> being

> > > karaka why does he not have drishti? it is said because

rahu

> and

> > > ketu are chaya grahas, those who do not have rasmi- the

> rays.Then

> > > are these two not considered planets at all? Please explain.

> > > Regards

> > > Nalini

> > > , Jyotish Learner

> > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > how can ketu aspects its totally wrong he is headless he

> doesnt

> > > have any aspect.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > j.l

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > shriji002 <shriji002@> wrote:

> > > > respected astrologers

> > > >

> > > > please tell what are aspects of rahu,ketu.some say rahu

> aspects 5,9,7,12 houses. and ketu aspects houses that rahu

aspects.

> > > > ie. 3,6,11.houses from it.

> > > > some say ketu aspects 5,7,9,12 houses from it.

> > > > which view is correct.

> > > >

> > > > also what impact will solar eclipse have,and till when

will

> the effect last.

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > shri

> > >

> >

> > Prashant

> >

> >

> > New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your

PC

> and save big.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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> New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC

for low, low rates.

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dear sreenadh ji

 

having seen your positive contributions in the other group, i

appreciate your joining this thread and also this group.

 

with best wishes

arjun

 

, "Sreenadh" <sreelid

wrote:

>

> Dear All,

> Why make things this compex??!!

> In Madhaveeyam we can see the sloka:

> "Prakasakou dou predhamou grahanam

> Tara grehe pancha pare tata dou

> Thamograhou......................"

> Meaning, The first two (Sun and Moon) are called prakasa grahas.

> (Since the Sun gives light in day time, and Moon refects the sun's

> rays in night time, thus giving light to us. Of these Sun is a

star

> and Moon a satelite as we know), the next five (Ma, Me, Ve, Ju,

Sa)

> are called tara grhas (Since they are seen small like a star from

> earth, and represents normal planets), the next 2 (Ra and Ke) are

> called tamo grahas (dark planets, since they are just shadows of

> Earth and Moon, and represented in the mathematical representation

of

> the native at birth time, called horoscope).

> So,

> Su - Prakasa graha - It is a star

> Mo - Prakasa graha - It is the satalite of earth

> Ma, Me, Ve, Ju, Sa - tara grahas - Normal planets

> Ra, Ke - shadows of Earth and Moon

>

> They are all represented in horosocpe since a horoscope is the

> mathematical representation of the universe (especially

> solarsystem)/space_around at the time of birth of the native.

> So, in short, clearly Ra and Ke exists - mathamatically. And that

is

> what is represented on the horoscope. All this helps us in

> understanding how the rhythem of the universe, will influence the

> native's fate.

> Dear Nalini ji, you asked:

> > If ketu does not aspect, then why is he called mokshakaraka.

> > being karaka why does he not have drishti?

> If you mean Drishti by the word aspect, then is it necessory

that a

> Karaka (significator) should have drishti??!!!!! Do you mean that

a

> mathemetical point Drishti cannot have significance!!!! See, even

> Signs, Stellar divisions, Houses, Other mathemetical points like

> Mandi, Gulika etc all are alotted significance. Which makes it

clear

> that, to become a significator, Drishti is not a pre-requesit.

From

> where you got that idea???!!!! I wonder.

> > it is said because rahu and ketu are chaya grahas,

> > those who do not have rasmi- the rays. Then are these two not

> > considered planets at all?

> > Please explain.

> As you (or anybody who studied science) know Ra and Ke are

shadows

> (astrologers mean the same when they say chaya grahas). The

horoscope

> gives the mathametical representation of the position of these

> shadows. They are not planets in the western sense. But they are

> Grahas.(Grahas = The mathametical points represented in horoscope

> that can influence destiny of the native)

> There is no conflict between the understanding of Science and

> Astrology concerning them. Once the primary understanding is over

> Science and Astrology diverge and try to use this knowledge in

> entirely different ways. That is all.

> Please don't confuse Rasmi and Drishti. If you see the classics,

you

> could see-

> Drishti Phala - for planets

> Rasmi Phala - for planets and Rasis.

> Drishti is the relative angle between the planets, which is

supposed

> to modify the result.

> Rasmi is a concept that is used to determine the streangth of a

> planet or sign.

> Ra and Ke does not have Rasmi. But their relative angle between

> other Grahas could be considered, and there for Drishti is

possible

> for them as well, as Parasara Muni told us. But to accept this

point,

> first we should come to agreement on the point that Drishti,

> indicates relative angle between Grahas.

> I hope the point is clear.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99@> wrote:

> >

> > Sir,

> > it is my understanding not to disrepect various views of our

> times about jyotish and to also seers who dealt and length and

made

> available various theories of astrology how ever simple or

> complicated as they appear to us today

> > krishnan

> > This is where probably we are able to take initiative and

expalin

> the role of rahu-ketu.In jyotish terms all issues arising out of

nine

> palnets matter whether felt as coudy as one day and the day

> different.it is between all of us to find a logic in tune with our

> sages.perhaps they did not have occassion to go through all our

> understanding.hence our role and accounatability to make free from

> controversies nd adopt a balanced approach.

> > krishnan

> >

> > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > Hi RR,

> >

> > as usual I am not sure what u meant to convey by this reply, u

> can better expand on this.

> >

> > I am sure u agree with divya's reply to Nalini on the purpouse

of

> the ORIGINAL QUESTION on rahu, ketu in line with that like others

I

> wrote 2 mails, as arjun has.

> > basically the classics r the main source and whaever

adjustments

> need to be done with the, time, socio-political, region specific

> changes r anyway built-in by ur sages to be a guidline whole

making

> any forecasts.

> >

> > Prashant

> >

> > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Does the 'reality'

> and direct experience of a shadow as a real

> > phenomenon simply vanish, just because today happens to be

> *cloudy*

> > day and no shadows are to be seen?

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Arjun.

> > >

> > > Well this is good picture, pl provide the texts u quoted

can

> > help people who want to know more direct just like the neo-

> > researches going into madness on Jupiter

> > >

> > > the trend of dubbing Jupiter malefic is from TN, where

> lopsided

> > transulation of sanskirt works have been happening say

amavasya

> is

> > the most auspicious day u need not look at anything else.

> > >

> > > there is no NO KNOWN CLASSSIC TOsupport this max can be in

> > MEsha, Vrischika lagnas as it is a Yoga karaka combination,

and

> > happens during day time in Vishaka, Sravana masas in day time.

> > >

> > > I HAD ALSO SUBMITTED A mail on dusthana, on a different

plan

> to

> > past no reaction on it ias come in past 6 weeks.

> > > some of the traditional lines need to be redrawn as the

the

> > values then were contentment, help others in need, earn a

name

> than

> > money, no debts if u can'tmake assets, no upmanship but

humility

> etc

> > > today it is opposite so need to redefine them 3,6,8, 10,11

> houses

> > to suit it please see my postign on this.

> > >

> > > BUT QUOTING RAMA'S CHART is outrageous as he lived ina

time

> of

> > great values, standards. a well placed guru tests ur inner

> strength

> > before giving u good results where as malefics just lure one

> into

> > it, once u slip it is oneway street rarely u recover out it

its

> vice

> > grip unless if a materialsitic rahu dasa is followed by a

well

> > placed, associated Guru dasa to follow.

> > >

> > > RAMA'S GURU IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF HOW A MAN MUST LIVE IN

> WORST

> > OF SITUATIONS, never compromised on any value, set v high

> standards

> > in family, as a king, as a husband.

> > >

> > > Prashant

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: dear friend

JL

> > >

> > > your understanding is correct. both as per hindu

mythology

> and

> > as per present day science, rahu and ketu do not exist.

> > >

> > > according to hindu mythology, the demon swarbhanu got a boon

> from

> > brahma to get "planet status" and not a real planet. when

nectar

> > > was distributed to gods, this swarbhanu also had some

nectar

> to

> > which sun and moon complained. based on the complaint of sun

> and

> > > moon, this swarbhanu was cut into two by vishnu. later a

> snake

> > was cut into two and the body of the snake was attached to the

> head

> > of

> > > swarbhanu and the body of swarbhanu was attached to the

head

> of

> > the snake. these two half-demon half-snake creatures

remained

> > immortal

> > > and are called rahu and ketu and given "planetary status"

and

> > they are not planets. with this backdrop we hear stories of

> rahu

> > swallowing sun and ketu swallowing moon during eclipses.

> > >

> > > according to science, a solar eclipse occurs on a new moon

> day

> > (amavasya) when the moon comes in between the sun and the

earth

> > where light of sun is partially or fully blocked by moon from

> > reaching the earth. a lunar eclipse occurs on a full moon

day

> > (poornima) when earth comes in betwen sun and moon and light

of

> sun

> > is partialy or fully blocked by earth from reaching moon.

> > >

> > > according to the original scriptures viz. samhitas written

by

> > the sages, rahu and ketu do not own any signs and also does

not

> have

> > any aspect, exaltation, debilitation and mooltrikon. rahu

and

> > ketu also do not form any yogas and hence results of any

> conjunction

> > with other planets was also not mentioned in these

scriptures.

> > however,

> > > results of rahu or ketu in each sign or house was given

since

> > stars were allocated to them because of their planetary

status.

> so

> > they also have the mahadasa and antardasa results due to

their

> > getting

> > > the planetary status.

> > >

> > > according to all original scriptures, rahu and ketu are

rank

> > malefics. only some modern researches using positive

language

> > attributed "vairagyakaraka" to rahu and "mokshakaraka" to ketu

> which

> > gained popularity. these researchers also presented saturn

as

> > planet of patience and were painting saturn, rahu and ketu as

> > benefics or karmic planets in their own languages. recently

i

> was

> > > shocked when some researchers were painting jupiter as a

rank

> > malefic and how jupiter spoils his own house and they chose

to

> cite

> > lord rama's chart saying jupiter as the culprit. if this

trend

> > continues in the name of research, all malefics would become

> > benefics and all benefics would become malefics.

> > >

> > > the above are my own observations and it is your logic to

> accept

> > or reject.

> > >

> > > with best wishes and regards

> > > pandit arjun

> > >

> > > , Jyotish Learner

> > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Nalini Ji,

> > > >

> > > > Simple he is spiritual.

> > > > I am not learned scholar like you so I may not be able

to

> > give

> > > you proper reason plz forgive me.

> > > > Since he is headless he doesnt aspect.

> > > > In Kaliyug Rahu and Ketu are not considered as planets.

> > > > Yes these are "Chaya Grahas".

> > > >

> > > > Some consider Rahu as benefic and Ketu as malefic they

> behave

> > as

> > > their sign lords.

> > > > Plz Learned Guru Jis forgive me if I am wrong as well

as

> > Nalini

> > > Ji.

> > > >

> > > > Happy Learning till then

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > J.L

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > > Dear JL,

> > > > If ketu does not aspect, then why is he called

> mokshakaraka.

> > being

> > > > karaka why does he not have drishti? it is said because

> rahu

> > and

> > > > ketu are chaya grahas, those who do not have rasmi- the

> > rays.Then

> > > > are these two not considered planets at all? Please

explain.

> > > > Regards

> > > > Nalini

> > > > , Jyotish Learner

> > > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > how can ketu aspects its totally wrong he is headless

he

> > doesnt

> > > > have any aspect.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > j.l

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > shriji002 <shriji002@> wrote:

> > > > > respected astrologers

> > > > >

> > > > > please tell what are aspects of rahu,ketu.some say

rahu

> > aspects 5,9,7,12 houses. and ketu aspects houses that rahu

> aspects.

> > > > > ie. 3,6,11.houses from it.

> > > > > some say ketu aspects 5,7,9,12 houses from it.

> > > > > which view is correct.

> > > > >

> > > > > also what impact will solar eclipse have,and till when

> will

> > the effect last.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards

> > > > > shri

> > > >

> > >

> > > Prashant

> > >

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