Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Divya, U r partly right, but missed the important point by Graha it means a light emenating celestial body, rahu & ketu too emnate the invisible light band, rahu & ketu also represent the extreme ends of the celestial orb of the Moon and whithin its belt only the 27 constellations and Grahas r refered to astrologically say Pole Star or Dhruva is not counted even though noticed easily by all civilisations. In results also rahu gives sani's and ketu mars's results; or the sign where they r posited. but Sanivad rahu is a norm well known, VARAHAMIHRA IS QUOTED by some as not havign given any role to rahu, ketu in his Brihat Jataka. Well Varahamihra is a great complier not a composer he merely collected what each sage said and compiled it, nowhere u can find a line say I find this or I vouch for this. etc. and as he largely quotes Yauvanacharya or greeks too, who have not heard of rahu, ketu. earlier works by Parashara talks of it and BRIHAT PARASHARA HORA IS THE BENCH MARK of India/vedic astrology, all other works expanded on it as is required to suit every age, culture, political set ups at the time. Prashant Divya <touchbase_divya wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Naliniji, I'd just like to add a point here..... I think the word 'Graha' is loosely translated as 'planet' in English. Maybe there is no other word that comes close to it. Though we have 9 Grahas. But are there actually 9 planets? Moon is a satellite. Sun is a star. Rahu, Ketu have no physical existance. Regards, Divya auromirra19 <nalini2818 wrote: Dear JL, If ketu does not aspect, then why is he called mokshakaraka. being karaka why does he not have drishti? it is said because rahu and ketu are chaya grahas, those who do not have rasmi- the rays.Then are these two not considered planets at all? Please explain. Regards Nalini , Jyotish Learner <vedicastro_mind wrote: > > how can ketu aspects its totally wrong he is headless he doesnt have any aspect. > > > regards, > j.l > > > shriji002 <shriji002 wrote: > respected astrologers > > please tell what are aspects of rahu,ketu.some say rahu > aspects 5,9,7,12 houses. and ketu aspects houses that rahu aspects. > ie. 3,6,11.houses from it. > some say ketu aspects 5,7,9,12 houses from it. > which view is correct. > > also what impact will solar eclipse have,and till when will > the effect last. > > regards > shri Prashant New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Hi Arjun. Well this is good picture, pl provide the texts u quoted can help people who want to know more direct just like the neo-researches going into madness on Jupiter the trend of dubbing Jupiter malefic is from TN, where lopsided transulation of sanskirt works have been happening say amavasya is the most auspicious day u need not look at anything else. there is no NO KNOWN CLASSSIC TOsupport this max can be in MEsha, Vrischika lagnas as it is a Yoga karaka combination, and happens during day time in Vishaka, Sravana masas in day time. I HAD ALSO SUBMITTED A mail on dusthana, on a different plan to past no reaction on it ias come in past 6 weeks. some of the traditional lines need to be redrawn as the the values then were contentment, help others in need, earn a name than money, no debts if u can'tmake assets, no upmanship but humility etc today it is opposite so need to redefine them 3,6,8, 10,11 houses to suit it please see my postign on this. BUT QUOTING RAMA'S CHART is outrageous as he lived ina time of great values, standards. a well placed guru tests ur inner strength before giving u good results where as malefics just lure one into it, once u slip it is oneway street rarely u recover out it its vice grip unless if a materialsitic rahu dasa is followed by a well placed, associated Guru dasa to follow. RAMA'S GURU IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF HOW A MAN MUST LIVE IN WORST OF SITUATIONS, never compromised on any value, set v high standards in family, as a king, as a husband. Prashant panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friend JL your understanding is correct. both as per hindu mythology and as per present day science, rahu and ketu do not exist. according to hindu mythology, the demon swarbhanu got a boon from brahma to get "planet status" and not a real planet. when nectar was distributed to gods, this swarbhanu also had some nectar to which sun and moon complained. based on the complaint of sun and moon, this swarbhanu was cut into two by vishnu. later a snake was cut into two and the body of the snake was attached to the head of swarbhanu and the body of swarbhanu was attached to the head of the snake. these two half-demon half-snake creatures remained immortal and are called rahu and ketu and given "planetary status" and they are not planets. with this backdrop we hear stories of rahu swallowing sun and ketu swallowing moon during eclipses. according to science, a solar eclipse occurs on a new moon day (amavasya) when the moon comes in between the sun and the earth where light of sun is partially or fully blocked by moon from reaching the earth. a lunar eclipse occurs on a full moon day (poornima) when earth comes in betwen sun and moon and light of sun is partialy or fully blocked by earth from reaching moon. according to the original scriptures viz. samhitas written by the sages, rahu and ketu do not own any signs and also does not have any aspect, exaltation, debilitation and mooltrikon. rahu and ketu also do not form any yogas and hence results of any conjunction with other planets was also not mentioned in these scriptures. however, results of rahu or ketu in each sign or house was given since stars were allocated to them because of their planetary status. so they also have the mahadasa and antardasa results due to their getting the planetary status. according to all original scriptures, rahu and ketu are rank malefics. only some modern researches using positive language attributed "vairagyakaraka" to rahu and "mokshakaraka" to ketu which gained popularity. these researchers also presented saturn as planet of patience and were painting saturn, rahu and ketu as benefics or karmic planets in their own languages. recently i was shocked when some researchers were painting jupiter as a rank malefic and how jupiter spoils his own house and they chose to cite lord rama's chart saying jupiter as the culprit. if this trend continues in the name of research, all malefics would become benefics and all benefics would become malefics. the above are my own observations and it is your logic to accept or reject. with best wishes and regards pandit arjun , Jyotish Learner <vedicastro_mind wrote: > > Dear Nalini Ji, > > Simple he is spiritual. > I am not learned scholar like you so I may not be able to give you proper reason plz forgive me. > Since he is headless he doesnt aspect. > In Kaliyug Rahu and Ketu are not considered as planets. > Yes these are "Chaya Grahas". > > Some consider Rahu as benefic and Ketu as malefic they behave as their sign lords. > Plz Learned Guru Jis forgive me if I am wrong as well as Nalini Ji. > > Happy Learning till then > > Regards, > J.L > > > auromirra19 <nalini2818 wrote: > Dear JL, > If ketu does not aspect, then why is he called mokshakaraka. being > karaka why does he not have drishti? it is said because rahu and > ketu are chaya grahas, those who do not have rasmi- the rays.Then > are these two not considered planets at all? Please explain. > Regards > Nalini > , Jyotish Learner > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote: > > > > how can ketu aspects its totally wrong he is headless he doesnt > have any aspect. > > > > > > regards, > > j.l > > > > > > shriji002 <shriji002@> wrote: > > respected astrologers > > > > please tell what are aspects of rahu,ketu.some say rahu aspects 5,9,7,12 houses. and ketu aspects houses that rahu aspects. > > ie. 3,6,11.houses from it. > > some say ketu aspects 5,7,9,12 houses from it. > > which view is correct. > > > > also what impact will solar eclipse have,and till when will the effect last. > > > > regards > > shri > Prashant New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 dear learned members, i found this topic interesting. I am new to astrology. I read somewhere that rahu makes grah drishit but ketu doesnt make grah drishti.. but it aspects only by the rashi drishti. thanks/regards harjeet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Dear Prashantji, Divyaji, Graha- also means to grasp, hold is it not, not only these two nodes? grab/hold but swallow!! As for emanating light, rahu and ketu are said to be incapable of any emanating rays-rasmi or light. Sani vad rahu, kuja vad ketu is well known.But though Rahu is given the status of a planet and ownership, ketu is denied it and also of ownership.The charakarakas are also limited to 7, and ketu is not included but rahu is given his place.Ketu is said to be agu- that means without light. How very conflicting and confusing (for me atleast) Regards Nalini , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Divya, > > U r partly right, but missed the important point by Graha it means a light emenating celestial body, rahu & ketu too emnate the invisible light band, rahu & ketu also represent the extreme ends of the celestial orb of the Moon and whithin its belt only the 27 constellations and Grahas r refered to astrologically say Pole Star or Dhruva is not counted even though noticed easily by all civilisations. > > In results also rahu gives sani's and ketu mars's results; or the sign where they r posited. but Sanivad rahu is a norm well known, > VARAHAMIHRA IS QUOTED by some as not havign given any role to rahu, ketu in his Brihat Jataka. > > Well Varahamihra is a great complier not a composer he merely collected what each sage said and compiled it, nowhere u can find a line say I find this or I vouch for this. etc. > and as he largely quotes Yauvanacharya or greeks too, who have not heard of rahu, ketu. > earlier works by Parashara talks of it and BRIHAT PARASHARA HORA IS THE BENCH MARK of India/vedic astrology, all other works expanded on it as is required to suit every age, culture, political set ups at the time. > > Prashant > > Divya <touchbase_divya wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Naliniji, > > I'd just like to add a point here..... > > I think the word 'Graha' is loosely translated as 'planet' in English. Maybe there is no other word that comes close to it. > > Though we have 9 Grahas. But are there actually 9 planets? Moon is a satellite. Sun is a star. Rahu, Ketu have no physical existance. > > Regards, > Divya > > > auromirra19 <nalini2818 wrote: > Dear JL, > If ketu does not aspect, then why is he called mokshakaraka. being > karaka why does he not have drishti? it is said because rahu and > ketu are chaya grahas, those who do not have rasmi- the rays.Then > are these two not considered planets at all? Please explain. > Regards > Nalini > , Jyotish Learner > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote: > > > > how can ketu aspects its totally wrong he is headless he doesnt > have any aspect. > > > > > > regards, > > j.l > > > > > > shriji002 <shriji002@> wrote: > > respected astrologers > > > > please tell what are aspects of rahu,ketu.some say rahu > > aspects 5,9,7,12 houses. and ketu aspects houses that rahu aspects. > > ie. 3,6,11.houses from it. > > some say ketu aspects 5,7,9,12 houses from it. > > which view is correct. > > > > also what impact will solar eclipse have,and till when will > > the effect last. > > > > regards > > shri > > > Prashant > > > New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Dear Nalini, I hope you have read my last post but what worries me about your doubt is : 1. In which classical text it is said that KETHU is not a graha? 2. Which text says only Rahu OWNS and not Kethu? (regarding ownership, the lines in BPHS seem to be added illogically recently by modern scholars - so do not quote that) 3. If exists, which text says that nodes have aspects? To minimise confusions regarding basics, go through BPHS and BJHS or even Uttara Kalamrita and Phaladeepika. Some times the versions of BPHS are so horrible that it may maximise your confusions! so please take care of that too :-) yours KAD , "auromirra19" <nalini2818 wrote: > > Dear Prashantji, Divyaji, > Graha- also means to grasp, hold is it not, not only these two > nodes? grab/hold but swallow!! As for emanating light, rahu and ketu > are said to be incapable of any emanating rays-rasmi or light. Sani > vad rahu, kuja vad ketu is well known.But though Rahu is given the > status of a planet and ownership, ketu is denied it and also of > ownership.The charakarakas are also limited to 7, and ketu is not > included but rahu is given his place.Ketu is said to be agu- that > means without light. How very conflicting and confusing (for me > atleast) > Regards > Nalini > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > Divya, > > > > U r partly right, but missed the important point by Graha it > means a light emenating celestial body, rahu & ketu too emnate the > invisible light band, rahu & ketu also represent the extreme ends > of the celestial orb of the Moon and whithin its belt only the 27 > constellations and Grahas r refered to astrologically say Pole Star > or Dhruva is not counted even though noticed easily by all > civilisations. > > > > In results also rahu gives sani's and ketu mars's results; or > the sign where they r posited. but Sanivad rahu is a norm well > known, > > VARAHAMIHRA IS QUOTED by some as not havign given any role to > rahu, ketu in his Brihat Jataka. > > > > Well Varahamihra is a great complier not a composer he merely > collected what each sage said and compiled it, nowhere u can find a > line say I find this or I vouch for this. etc. > > and as he largely quotes Yauvanacharya or greeks too, who have > not heard of rahu, ketu. > > earlier works by Parashara talks of it and BRIHAT PARASHARA HORA > IS THE BENCH MARK of India/vedic astrology, all other works > expanded on it as is required to suit every age, culture, political > set ups at the time. > > > > Prashant > > > > Divya <touchbase_divya@> wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Naliniji, > > > > I'd just like to add a point here..... > > > > I think the word 'Graha' is loosely translated as 'planet' in > English. Maybe there is no other word that comes close to it. > > > > Though we have 9 Grahas. But are there actually 9 planets? > Moon is a satellite. Sun is a star. Rahu, Ketu have no physical > existance. > > > > Regards, > > Divya > > > > > > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote: > > Dear JL, > > If ketu does not aspect, then why is he called mokshakaraka. > being > > karaka why does he not have drishti? it is said because rahu and > > ketu are chaya grahas, those who do not have rasmi- the > rays.Then > > are these two not considered planets at all? Please explain. > > Regards > > Nalini > > , Jyotish Learner > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote: > > > > > > how can ketu aspects its totally wrong he is headless he > doesnt > > have any aspect. > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > j.l > > > > > > > > > shriji002 <shriji002@> wrote: > > > respected astrologers > > > > > > please tell what are aspects of rahu,ketu.some say rahu > > > aspects 5,9,7,12 houses. and ketu aspects houses that rahu > aspects. > > > ie. 3,6,11.houses from it. > > > some say ketu aspects 5,7,9,12 houses from it. > > > which view is correct. > > > > > > also what impact will solar eclipse have,and till when will > > > the effect last. > > > > > > regards > > > shri > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC > for low, low rates. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Dear Memebers, First of all, I am no expert in astrology. So, pardon me if you find my practical opinion offensive to traditional astrology in any manner. Scientifically, Rahu is the North Lunar Node of Moon and Ketu is the South Lunar Node of Moon. If you plot the Sun' position visible from earth, that would be the orbit of the Sun (with reference to earth and not solar system) and similarly there would be an orbit for the Moon. These two orbits intersect at a point called the ecliptic point. The north lunar node is where the moon crosses the north of this ecliptic point. Similarly, the south lunar node is where the moon crosses the south of the ecliptic point. Lunar eclipse is when the earth comes between the Sun and the Moon. Rahu and Ketu are shadows of the earth (not the moon) with respect to the ecliptic position of the moon, created by the Sun. They are points along moon's orbit, both north and south of where a lunar eclipse would possibly occur. In astrology (Indian/western) the position of the planets in different zodiacal signs is considered and we all concur with it as it is easier to imagine and also observe in the sky. But what about the position of the earth ? Where is that accounted for ? Only the ancient vedic astrologers of India realized the importance of earth's position. They found that the easiest way to take earth's position into account is by taking into account the earth's shadow. Shadows are created only if you have a luminary body and a background, and in earth's case the sun would be the luminary body and moon the background. My guess is that the ancient astologers thought that the only way a planet's maximum energy can reach the earth is when the planet is most visible to the earth. A planet is most visible when it can reflect sun's light to the maximum. Astrology is completely based on the concept that the difference in this reflected luminary light/energy is what makes us different from one another and determines our karmic path. Unlike the stars, the planets and the moon are not light emitting bodies. They can only reflect light of the closest star to them, which in the solar system is the sun. When rahu and or ketu fall close to the latitude of the Moon then, the earth's shadow blocks the moon from being clearly visible to the earth. If there is any planet on the other side of the moon, that too will not be visible to the earth as moon would be blocking it. My conclusion is that by considering Rahu and Ketu, you are actually accounting for earth's position with respect to sun and moon. Astrologically speaking, Rahu and Ketu's role although important in the natal chart, become highly crucial in the transit chart. For example: Rahu and Ketu while transiting the natal/navamsha 1-7 houses or natal/navamsha rahu-ketu axis can indicate a strong possibility of marriage. This is true in "almost" all the charts. Hence, Rahu and Ketu's aspects should also be considered just like any other planets, as aspects are nothing but positional mutual distances. I hope this makes sense, Lakshmi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Does the 'reality' and direct experience of a shadow as a real phenomenon simply vanish, just because today happens to be *cloudy* day and no shadows are to be seen? RR , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Hi Arjun. > > Well this is good picture, pl provide the texts u quoted can help people who want to know more direct just like the neo- researches going into madness on Jupiter > > the trend of dubbing Jupiter malefic is from TN, where lopsided transulation of sanskirt works have been happening say amavasya is the most auspicious day u need not look at anything else. > > there is no NO KNOWN CLASSSIC TOsupport this max can be in MEsha, Vrischika lagnas as it is a Yoga karaka combination, and happens during day time in Vishaka, Sravana masas in day time. > > I HAD ALSO SUBMITTED A mail on dusthana, on a different plan to past no reaction on it ias come in past 6 weeks. > some of the traditional lines need to be redrawn as the the values then were contentment, help others in need, earn a name than money, no debts if u can'tmake assets, no upmanship but humility etc > today it is opposite so need to redefine them 3,6,8, 10,11 houses to suit it please see my postign on this. > > BUT QUOTING RAMA'S CHART is outrageous as he lived ina time of great values, standards. a well placed guru tests ur inner strength before giving u good results where as malefics just lure one into it, once u slip it is oneway street rarely u recover out it its vice grip unless if a materialsitic rahu dasa is followed by a well placed, associated Guru dasa to follow. > > RAMA'S GURU IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF HOW A MAN MUST LIVE IN WORST OF SITUATIONS, never compromised on any value, set v high standards in family, as a king, as a husband. > > Prashant panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friend JL > > your understanding is correct. both as per hindu mythology and as per present day science, rahu and ketu do not exist. > > according to hindu mythology, the demon swarbhanu got a boon from brahma to get "planet status" and not a real planet. when nectar > was distributed to gods, this swarbhanu also had some nectar to which sun and moon complained. based on the complaint of sun and > moon, this swarbhanu was cut into two by vishnu. later a snake was cut into two and the body of the snake was attached to the head of > swarbhanu and the body of swarbhanu was attached to the head of the snake. these two half-demon half-snake creatures remained immortal > and are called rahu and ketu and given "planetary status" and they are not planets. with this backdrop we hear stories of rahu swallowing sun and ketu swallowing moon during eclipses. > > according to science, a solar eclipse occurs on a new moon day (amavasya) when the moon comes in between the sun and the earth where light of sun is partially or fully blocked by moon from reaching the earth. a lunar eclipse occurs on a full moon day (poornima) when earth comes in betwen sun and moon and light of sun is partialy or fully blocked by earth from reaching moon. > > according to the original scriptures viz. samhitas written by the sages, rahu and ketu do not own any signs and also does not have any aspect, exaltation, debilitation and mooltrikon. rahu and ketu also do not form any yogas and hence results of any conjunction with other planets was also not mentioned in these scriptures. however, > results of rahu or ketu in each sign or house was given since stars were allocated to them because of their planetary status. so they also have the mahadasa and antardasa results due to their getting > the planetary status. > > according to all original scriptures, rahu and ketu are rank malefics. only some modern researches using positive language attributed "vairagyakaraka" to rahu and "mokshakaraka" to ketu which gained popularity. these researchers also presented saturn as planet of patience and were painting saturn, rahu and ketu as benefics or karmic planets in their own languages. recently i was > shocked when some researchers were painting jupiter as a rank malefic and how jupiter spoils his own house and they chose to cite lord rama's chart saying jupiter as the culprit. if this trend continues in the name of research, all malefics would become benefics and all benefics would become malefics. > > the above are my own observations and it is your logic to accept or reject. > > with best wishes and regards > pandit arjun > > , Jyotish Learner > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote: > > > > Dear Nalini Ji, > > > > Simple he is spiritual. > > I am not learned scholar like you so I may not be able to give > you proper reason plz forgive me. > > Since he is headless he doesnt aspect. > > In Kaliyug Rahu and Ketu are not considered as planets. > > Yes these are "Chaya Grahas". > > > > Some consider Rahu as benefic and Ketu as malefic they behave as > their sign lords. > > Plz Learned Guru Jis forgive me if I am wrong as well as Nalini > Ji. > > > > Happy Learning till then > > > > Regards, > > J.L > > > > > > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote: > > Dear JL, > > If ketu does not aspect, then why is he called mokshakaraka. being > > karaka why does he not have drishti? it is said because rahu and > > ketu are chaya grahas, those who do not have rasmi- the rays.Then > > are these two not considered planets at all? Please explain. > > Regards > > Nalini > > , Jyotish Learner > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote: > > > > > > how can ketu aspects its totally wrong he is headless he doesnt > > have any aspect. > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > j.l > > > > > > > > > shriji002 <shriji002@> wrote: > > > respected astrologers > > > > > > please tell what are aspects of rahu,ketu.some say rahu aspects 5,9,7,12 houses. and ketu aspects houses that rahu aspects. > > > ie. 3,6,11.houses from it. > > > some say ketu aspects 5,7,9,12 houses from it. > > > which view is correct. > > > > > > also what impact will solar eclipse have,and till when will the effect last. > > > > > > regards > > > shri > > > > Prashant > > > New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Dear Friends, Add to the controversies,is the retrograde movement of these "shadow planets'.otherwise we call themm as nodes.Further we agree or not our scriptures certatinly have given place(atleast from mythological point) to rahu and ketu.Also further we also agree contend to say Kujavada ketu and Sanivada Rahu.Certainly Jyotish either directly or indirectly has to depend on geocentric approach.So position of earth is undeniable fact. what is intriguing how ever is emphasis and unabted discussions on "Kala Sarpa Yogas"with more and more evincing interest in Astrology,ceratinly the conventional views are getting dented and iam not sure this enhancing to precision in predictions. Also we have in fact at one or other time seen or interpreted from charts these nodes bestowing material benifits be it marriage or progeny.most of the famous and well noted personalities have infact also got benifitted out of the yogas of nodes. There are also fatalities felt from these nodes and innocent getting destroyed and slipping into shadow lives.There is need to strike balance in our approach.whether we admit openly the role of chayagraha or not no doubt we are giving credence to vimshottari dasa ultimately for analysis and interpretations.once dasas of ketu and rahu become part of 120 years of vimshottari,are we not counting on the role ofthese shadowy palnets in each and every one's life. probably we are trying to read too much and leading to no where.may be let's not make needy people panicky by inferring these nodes as first rated malefics and jupiter as the planet of benovalence. let's probably need to feel jyotish suggest a way of approach and this is through harmonious approach of all nine planets together.Good planets for some have ceratinly give impressions as badhaks and maraks.And ofcourse the so called malefics enacting the role of yoagakaraks giving all materialistic as well as spirtual fulfilments.probably this aspect of our reverred scince should not be ignored.those who have really felt and ascribed their durdasa and problems due to nodes need to be made understant that this is time for the way of life to change and adopt themselves to live with hopes for the two extreemities of pleasure and happiness(materialistic) or pessimism(hardships,sorrows and despairs).Fact is that nodes have impact on our life and we have to accept their role in every body's life.it all matters how we really recieve their presence or nopresence krishnan b_lakshmi_1976 <b_lakshmi_1976 wrote: Dear Memebers, First of all, I am no expert in astrology. So, pardon me if you find my practical opinion offensive to traditional astrology in any manner. Scientifically, Rahu is the North Lunar Node of Moon and Ketu is the South Lunar Node of Moon. If you plot the Sun' position visible from earth, that would be the orbit of the Sun (with reference to earth and not solar system) and similarly there would be an orbit for the Moon. These two orbits intersect at a point called the ecliptic point. The north lunar node is where the moon crosses the north of this ecliptic point. Similarly, the south lunar node is where the moon crosses the south of the ecliptic point. Lunar eclipse is when the earth comes between the Sun and the Moon. Rahu and Ketu are shadows of the earth (not the moon) with respect to the ecliptic position of the moon, created by the Sun. They are points along moon's orbit, both north and south of where a lunar eclipse would possibly occur. In astrology (Indian/western) the position of the planets in different zodiacal signs is considered and we all concur with it as it is easier to imagine and also observe in the sky. But what about the position of the earth ? Where is that accounted for ? Only the ancient vedic astrologers of India realized the importance of earth's position. They found that the easiest way to take earth's position into account is by taking into account the earth's shadow. Shadows are created only if you have a luminary body and a background, and in earth's case the sun would be the luminary body and moon the background. My guess is that the ancient astologers thought that the only way a planet's maximum energy can reach the earth is when the planet is most visible to the earth. A planet is most visible when it can reflect sun's light to the maximum. Astrology is completely based on the concept that the difference in this reflected luminary light/energy is what makes us different from one another and determines our karmic path. Unlike the stars, the planets and the moon are not light emitting bodies. They can only reflect light of the closest star to them, which in the solar system is the sun. When rahu and or ketu fall close to the latitude of the Moon then, the earth's shadow blocks the moon from being clearly visible to the earth. If there is any planet on the other side of the moon, that too will not be visible to the earth as moon would be blocking it. My conclusion is that by considering Rahu and Ketu, you are actually accounting for earth's position with respect to sun and moon. Astrologically speaking, Rahu and Ketu's role although important in the natal chart, become highly crucial in the transit chart. For example: Rahu and Ketu while transiting the natal/navamsha 1-7 houses or natal/navamsha rahu-ketu axis can indicate a strong possibility of marriage. This is true in "almost" all the charts. Hence, Rahu and Ketu's aspects should also be considered just like any other planets, as aspects are nothing but positional mutual distances. I hope this makes sense, Lakshmi SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Visit your group "" on the web. How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 dear prashant ji the oldest samhitas written by bhrigu, ravan, garga and even older scriptures viz. garudapuran and other puranas reckon rahu and ketu having only planetary status and are not assigned any rashi, uchha or neecha or mooltrikon and also no yoga or conjunction results formed with these two demons enjoying planetary status. it is only modern researches who tried to put these rank malefics as karmic planets and felicitated them with the titles of "vairagya karaka" and "moksha karaka". just because someone said so, other astrologers also started attributing these dispositions. in the name of freedom of expression and research, several astrologers are finding jupiter malefic these days and long threads of jupiter giving malefic results were found in several groups. some say that jupiter spoils the house where he sits. in my personal understanding of the holy scriptures, jupiter is the guru of devatas and is the best benefic in the entire solar system. any dosha of any planet is mitigated or reduced just with the conjunction or aspect of jupiter. jupiter is the karaka of more than half of the houses. if a jupiter is weak or debilitated or placed in a dusthana, i only tell the native that jupiter is not able to help him because of this and that but never paint jupiter as a malefic. that is the respect we were taught to show towards jupiter or guru. in olden days, even though astrology was taught in gurukul style and learnt by brahmins practicing gayatri chantings and other mantra recitals on a daily basis, the predictions were more based on divine intuition and less on bookish knowledge. with so many contradictory rules written by various astrologers, only divine intuition gives the correct predictions. for example for timing of events, according to the classics, if a native is born in the shuklapaksa, ashtottari dasa is reckoned and if a native is born in the krishnapaksha, vimshottari dasa is reckoned. even in these two systems also dasa periods, sequence and number of planets are all different. there are many more dasha sysems and predictions based on them give entirely differnt picture. these days most astrologers are using only vimshottari system. with all these contradictions and confusions, only the divine energy or intuition or clairvoyance of an astrologer can give correct predictions. if one tries to predict based on astrology as a science it just does not work. astrology software in a computer is not a vending machine which can give predictions of a native just by pressing a button. i agree with your observatin of "Rama" as the most respectable word. mere utterance of "ram" is in itself a mantra and benefits the native. this is the way people like you and me look at lord ram. similar is the respect we have for jupiter or guru, be it planet guru or human guru. if someone in the name of research criticises lord ram and jupiter, may god bless him. having said all the above, i respect freedom of expression of each member and each has the right to agree or disagree with my observations. with best wishes and regards pandit arjun , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Hi Arjun. > > Well this is good picture, pl provide the texts u quoted can help people who want to know more direct just like the neo- researches going into madness on Jupiter > > the trend of dubbing Jupiter malefic is from TN, where lopsided transulation of sanskirt works have been happening say amavasya is the most auspicious day u need not look at anything else. > > there is no NO KNOWN CLASSSIC TOsupport this max can be in MEsha, Vrischika lagnas as it is a Yoga karaka combination, and happens during day time in Vishaka, Sravana masas in day time. > > I HAD ALSO SUBMITTED A mail on dusthana, on a different plan to past no reaction on it ias come in past 6 weeks. > some of the traditional lines need to be redrawn as the the values then were contentment, help others in need, earn a name than money, no debts if u can'tmake assets, no upmanship but humility etc > today it is opposite so need to redefine them 3,6,8, 10,11 houses to suit it please see my postign on this. > > BUT QUOTING RAMA'S CHART is outrageous as he lived ina time of great values, standards. a well placed guru tests ur inner strength before giving u good results where as malefics just lure one into it, once u slip it is oneway street rarely u recover out it its vice grip unless if a materialsitic rahu dasa is followed by a well placed, associated Guru dasa to follow. > > RAMA'S GURU IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF HOW A MAN MUST LIVE IN WORST OF SITUATIONS, never compromised on any value, set v high standards in family, as a king, as a husband. > > Prashant panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friend JL > > your understanding is correct. both as per hindu mythology and as per present day science, rahu and ketu do not exist. > > according to hindu mythology, the demon swarbhanu got a boon from brahma to get "planet status" and not a real planet. when nectar > was distributed to gods, this swarbhanu also had some nectar to which sun and moon complained. based on the complaint of sun and > moon, this swarbhanu was cut into two by vishnu. later a snake was cut into two and the body of the snake was attached to the head of > swarbhanu and the body of swarbhanu was attached to the head of the snake. these two half-demon half-snake creatures remained immortal > and are called rahu and ketu and given "planetary status" and they are not planets. with this backdrop we hear stories of rahu swallowing sun and ketu swallowing moon during eclipses. > > according to science, a solar eclipse occurs on a new moon day (amavasya) when the moon comes in between the sun and the earth where light of sun is partially or fully blocked by moon from reaching the earth. a lunar eclipse occurs on a full moon day (poornima) when earth comes in betwen sun and moon and light of sun is partialy or fully blocked by earth from reaching moon. > > according to the original scriptures viz. samhitas written by the sages, rahu and ketu do not own any signs and also does not have any aspect, exaltation, debilitation and mooltrikon. rahu and ketu also do not form any yogas and hence results of any conjunction with other planets was also not mentioned in these scriptures. however, > results of rahu or ketu in each sign or house was given since stars were allocated to them because of their planetary status. so they also have the mahadasa and antardasa results due to their getting > the planetary status. > > according to all original scriptures, rahu and ketu are rank malefics. only some modern researches using positive language attributed "vairagyakaraka" to rahu and "mokshakaraka" to ketu which gained popularity. these researchers also presented saturn as planet of patience and were painting saturn, rahu and ketu as benefics or karmic planets in their own languages. recently i was > shocked when some researchers were painting jupiter as a rank malefic and how jupiter spoils his own house and they chose to cite lord rama's chart saying jupiter as the culprit. if this trend continues in the name of research, all malefics would become benefics and all benefics would become malefics. > > the above are my own observations and it is your logic to accept or reject. > > with best wishes and regards > pandit arjun > > , Jyotish Learner > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote: > > > > Dear Nalini Ji, > > > > Simple he is spiritual. > > I am not learned scholar like you so I may not be able to give > you proper reason plz forgive me. > > Since he is headless he doesnt aspect. > > In Kaliyug Rahu and Ketu are not considered as planets. > > Yes these are "Chaya Grahas". > > > > Some consider Rahu as benefic and Ketu as malefic they behave as > their sign lords. > > Plz Learned Guru Jis forgive me if I am wrong as well as Nalini > Ji. > > > > Happy Learning till then > > > > Regards, > > J.L > > > > > > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote: > > Dear JL, > > If ketu does not aspect, then why is he called mokshakaraka. being > > karaka why does he not have drishti? it is said because rahu and > > ketu are chaya grahas, those who do not have rasmi- the rays.Then > > are these two not considered planets at all? Please explain. > > Regards > > Nalini > > , Jyotish Learner > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote: > > > > > > how can ketu aspects its totally wrong he is headless he doesnt > > have any aspect. > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > j.l > > > > > > > > > shriji002 <shriji002@> wrote: > > > respected astrologers > > > > > > please tell what are aspects of rahu,ketu.some say rahu aspects 5,9,7,12 houses. and ketu aspects houses that rahu aspects. > > > ie. 3,6,11.houses from it. > > > some say ketu aspects 5,7,9,12 houses from it. > > > which view is correct. > > > > > > also what impact will solar eclipse have,and till when will the effect last. > > > > > > regards > > > shri > > > > Prashant > > > New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 dear krishnan ji you wrote: "Fact is that nodes have impact on our life and we have to accept their role in every body's life.it all matters how we really recieve their presence or nopresence" your concluding observation is absolutely true and everyone agrees to this, even if we agree or disagree on their presence or non- presence. with best wishes arjun , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Friends, > Add to the controversies,is the retrograde movement of these "shadow planets'.otherwise we call themm as nodes.Further we agree or not our scriptures certatinly have given place(atleast from mythological point) to rahu and ketu.Also further we also agree contend to say Kujavada ketu and Sanivada Rahu.Certainly Jyotish either directly or indirectly has to depend on geocentric approach.So position of earth is undeniable fact. > what is intriguing how ever is emphasis and unabted discussions on "Kala Sarpa Yogas"with more and more evincing interest in Astrology,ceratinly the conventional views are getting dented and iam not sure this enhancing to precision in predictions. > Also we have in fact at one or other time seen or interpreted from charts these nodes bestowing material benifits be it marriage or progeny.most of the famous and well noted personalities have infact also got benifitted out of the yogas of nodes. > There are also fatalities felt from these nodes and innocent getting destroyed and slipping into shadow lives.There is need to strike balance in our approach.whether we admit openly the role of chayagraha or not no doubt we are giving credence to vimshottari dasa ultimately for analysis and interpretations.once dasas of ketu and rahu become part of 120 years of vimshottari,are we not counting on the role ofthese shadowy palnets in each and every one's life. > probably we are trying to read too much and leading to no where.may be let's not make needy people panicky by inferring these nodes as first rated malefics and jupiter as the planet of benovalence. > let's probably need to feel jyotish suggest a way of approach and this is through harmonious approach of all nine planets together.Good planets for some have ceratinly give impressions as badhaks and maraks.And ofcourse the so called malefics enacting the role of yoagakaraks giving all materialistic as well as spirtual fulfilments.probably this aspect of our reverred scince should not be ignored.those who have really felt and ascribed their durdasa and problems due to nodes need to be made understant that this is time for the way of life to change and adopt themselves to live with hopes for the two extreemities of pleasure and happiness (materialistic) or pessimism(hardships,sorrows and despairs).Fact is that nodes have impact on our life and we have to accept their role in every body's life.it all matters how we really recieve their presence or nopresence > krishnan > > b_lakshmi_1976 <b_lakshmi_1976 wrote: > Dear Memebers, > > First of all, I am no expert in astrology. So, pardon me if you find > my practical opinion offensive to traditional astrology in any manner. > > Scientifically, Rahu is the North Lunar Node of Moon and Ketu is the > South Lunar Node of Moon. If you plot the Sun' position visible from > earth, that would be the orbit of the Sun (with reference to earth > and not solar system) and similarly there would be an orbit for the > Moon. These two orbits intersect at a point called the ecliptic > point. The north lunar node is where the moon crosses the north of > this ecliptic point. Similarly, the south lunar node is where the > moon crosses the south of the ecliptic point. > > Lunar eclipse is when the earth comes between the Sun and the Moon. > Rahu and Ketu are shadows of the earth (not the moon) with respect to > the ecliptic position of the moon, created by the Sun. They are > points along moon's orbit, both north and south of where a lunar > eclipse would possibly occur. In astrology (Indian/western) the > position of the planets in different zodiacal signs is considered and > we all concur with it as it is easier to imagine and also observe in > the sky. But what about the position of the earth ? Where is that > accounted for ? Only the ancient vedic astrologers of India realized > the importance of earth's position. They found that the easiest way > to take earth's position into account is by taking into account the > earth's shadow. Shadows are created only if you have a luminary body > and a background, and in earth's case the sun would be the luminary > body and moon the background. > > My guess is that the ancient astologers thought that the only way a > planet's maximum energy can reach the earth is when the planet is > most visible to the earth. A planet is most visible when it can > reflect sun's light to the maximum. Astrology is completely based on > the concept that the difference in this reflected luminary > light/energy is what makes us different from one another and > determines our karmic path. Unlike the stars, the planets and the > moon are not light emitting bodies. They can only reflect light of > the closest star to them, which in the solar system is the sun. When > rahu and or ketu fall close to the latitude of the Moon then, the > earth's shadow blocks the moon from being clearly visible to the > earth. If there is any planet on the other side of the moon, that too > will not be visible to the earth as moon would be blocking it. > > My conclusion is that by considering Rahu and Ketu, you are actually > accounting for earth's position with respect to sun and moon. > Astrologically speaking, Rahu and Ketu's role although important in > the natal chart, become highly crucial in the transit chart. For > example: > Rahu and Ketu while transiting the natal/navamsha 1-7 houses or > natal/navamsha rahu-ketu axis can indicate a strong possibility of > marriage. This is true in "almost" all the charts. > > Hence, Rahu and Ketu's aspects should also be considered just like > any other planets, as aspects are nothing but positional mutual > distances. > > I hope this makes sense, > Lakshmi > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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