Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Pranams. The poems were , can you call them poems? They are the reflections of the anguish of the heart, the outburst against the seeking of the male child for lineage. But will the world hear it? It can only rant, become oppressive for daring to raise your voice against the injustice. Abuse you for the courage to stand up against the all male bastion. May your call echo in the wilderness, reverberate and bring back compassion and love into (in)humanity. God Bless you sir Regards Nalini , "sahaip123" <sahaip123 wrote: > > I went thru your poems . they were really beautiful.touched the > heart. i have been following the entire dialogue with u and govind.I > stand by your stand. I have adopted a girl child. It is time are > quetions regarding issues change.that will be social change in the > true sense. this obsession about the male child must stop. and who > better than learned astrologers to bring it about. I salute u > tatvamasiji. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Nalini j, it the scince that misleads and the society that markets foe sexual discremination.we all know mother representing 4th and father(dual 9th or 10th) join together to fulfil the dreams.yet all pains for mother whether a boy or girl as she has to take care of them till they become self dependent.it is long way to go.Craving for boy appears to have become a matter as the methods deployed for spacing children became very popular.Astrologically,we have many theories that can promote the wish of a native.with lack of respect,sincerity and honesty towrds our values we succumb to science and it misleads.let me also quote a case of my colleague. My friends daughter at a tender age of 22+got married to a boy and has to move out from parents.it is but natural that in the same year of marriage she was in the family way.so mother of the girl went to son in law place to support the newly married lady.I think after 3 months the young lady was brought to parent's palce.being a very big city/metro doctors from amnoetic fluid determined the baby will be a girl.That mattered all to termination in a month's time under able guidance of metro oriented mother.later the girl was sent back to son in law place/Now the issues: young ladymother became a obsessive compulsive patient. she will not move from the bed she feels around her bed lot of moving insects all dust around and feeling sick This pattern of behaviour remained even as on date though after an year or so they got a male child.The mother yet could not recover from the experience of termination of pregnancy. The wish to avoid unwanted sex (female child) is now available off the shelf as if Doctors can facilitate nor for that matter. 1. Astrology.could be of some positive help to guide but not medicine. 2. Nisheka lagnam and timing of conception as an indepth study may bless for a male child. 3.Astrologers are not Brahmas to create something new Let's hope the use of science enlightens but not discriminates people by sex.whether boy or girl parents have to be contended. krishnan auromirra19 <nalini2818 wrote: Pranams. The poems were , can you call them poems? They are the reflections of the anguish of the heart, the outburst against the seeking of the male child for lineage. But will the world hear it? It can only rant, become oppressive for daring to raise your voice against the injustice. Abuse you for the courage to stand up against the all male bastion. May your call echo in the wilderness, reverberate and bring back compassion and love into (in)humanity. God Bless you sir Regards Nalini , "sahaip123" <sahaip123 wrote: > > I went thru your poems . they were really beautiful.touched the > heart. i have been following the entire dialogue with u and govind.I > stand by your stand. I have adopted a girl child. It is time are > quetions regarding issues change.that will be social change in the > true sense. this obsession about the male child must stop. and who > better than learned astrologers to bring it about. I salute u > tatvamasiji. > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "" on the web. Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Sri Krishnan ji, Science always is a double edged sword , it all is in the hands that employ it. Instead of embracing the good of Science, human beings have always craved for the darker side. What was thought to provide succour to the helpless unwed mothers and victims is misused.What is society? Are we not society? When individuals of the society , like the so emanicipated mother in your post behave irresponsibly, callously, disregarding values who is to blame. How many voices like that of Sri Tatvamsiji can be heard amidst the cacophony, din caused by the senseless minds? When a mother herself forces her daughter to commit female infanticide, what can be said of the much maligned mother-in-law. A mother is always a mother at heart, whether rural or metro and if the selflessness of the love is tainted what can be said of the misfortune of the society. When most of the offspring of the present times leave for and live abroad, the parents live in the country of the birth. What does having a son do to alleviate the loneliness than having a daughter. Hence it is the primary duty of the parents to care for the children till they are self sufficient,( as you rightly pointed out) and thereafter, it does not mean that they become dependent on the children for various reasons. It is better they are self reliant, less of expectations-less of frustrations. These are my humble thoughts, members of the list may excuse if I have offended anyone. Regards Nalini , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Nalini j, > it the scince that misleads and the society that markets foe sexual discremination.we all know mother representing 4th and father (dual 9th or 10th) join together to fulfil the dreams.yet all pains for mother whether a boy or girl as she has to take care of them till they become self dependent.it is long way to go.Craving for boy appears to have become a matter as the methods deployed for spacing children became very popular.Astrologically,we have many theories that can promote the wish of a native.with lack of respect,sincerity and honesty towrds our values we succumb to science and it misleads.let me also quote a case of my colleague. > My friends daughter at a tender age of 22+got married to a boy and has to move out from parents.it is but natural that in the same year of marriage she was in the family way.so mother of the girl went to son in law place to support the newly married lady.I think after 3 months the young lady was brought to parent's palce.being a very big city/metro doctors from amnoetic fluid determined the baby will be a girl.That mattered all to termination in a month's time under able guidance of metro oriented mother.later the girl was sent back to son in law place/Now the issues: > young ladymother became a obsessive compulsive patient. > she will not move from the bed > she feels around her bed lot of moving insects > all dust around and feeling sick > This pattern of behaviour remained even as on date though after an year or so they got a male child.The mother yet could not recover from the experience of termination of pregnancy. > The wish to avoid unwanted sex (female child) is now available off the shelf as if Doctors can facilitate nor for that matter. > 1. Astrology.could be of some positive help to guide but not medicine. > 2. Nisheka lagnam and timing of conception as an indepth study may bless for a male child. > 3.Astrologers are not Brahmas to create something new > Let's hope the use of science enlightens but not discriminates people by sex.whether boy or girl parents have to be contended. > krishnan > > auromirra19 <nalini2818 wrote: > Pranams. > The poems were , can you call them poems? They are the reflections of > the anguish of the heart, the outburst against the seeking of the male > child for lineage. But will the world hear it? > It can only rant, become oppressive for daring to raise your voice > against the injustice. Abuse you for the courage to stand up against > the all male bastion. > May your call echo in the wilderness, reverberate and bring back > compassion and love into (in)humanity. > God Bless you sir > Regards > Nalini > > > , "sahaip123" <sahaip123@> > wrote: > > > > I went thru your poems . they were really beautiful.touched the > > heart. i have been following the entire dialogue with u and govind.I > > stand by your stand. I have adopted a girl child. It is time are > > quetions regarding issues change.that will be social change in the > > true sense. this obsession about the male child must stop. and who > > better than learned astrologers to bring it about. I salute u > > tatvamasiji. > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > Mail > Bring photos to life! 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Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Well spoken, Naliniji. I will just add on that queries which discriminate, queries which seek such information should be actively discouraged in public forums and ignored. The querist should apologise to Tatvamasi ji. regards rishi --- auromirra19 <nalini2818 wrote: > Sri Krishnan ji, > Science always is a double edged sword , it all is > in the hands that > employ it. Instead of embracing the good of Science, > human beings > have always craved for the darker side. What was > thought to provide > succour to the helpless unwed mothers and victims is > misused.What is > society? Are we not society? When individuals of the > society , like > the so emanicipated mother in your post behave > irresponsibly, > callously, disregarding values who is to blame. How > many voices like > that of Sri Tatvamsiji can be heard amidst the > cacophony, din caused > by the senseless minds? When a mother herself forces > her daughter to > commit female infanticide, what can be said of the > much maligned > mother-in-law. A mother is always a mother at heart, > whether rural > or metro and if the selflessness of the love is > tainted what can be > said of the misfortune of the society. > When most of the offspring of the present times > leave for and live > abroad, the parents live in the country of the > birth. What does > having a son do to alleviate the loneliness than > having a daughter. > Hence it is the primary duty of the parents to care > for the children > till they are self sufficient,( as you rightly > pointed out) and > thereafter, it does not mean that they become > dependent on the > children for various reasons. It is better they are > self reliant, > less of expectations-less of frustrations. > These are my humble thoughts, members of the list > may excuse if I > have offended anyone. > Regards > Nalini > > , vattem > krishnan > <bursar_99 wrote: > > > > Nalini j, > > it the scince that misleads and the society that > markets foe > sexual discremination.we all know mother > representing 4th and father > (dual 9th or 10th) join together to fulfil the > dreams.yet all pains > for mother whether a boy or girl as she has to take > care of them > till they become self dependent.it is long way to > go.Craving for boy > appears to have become a matter as the methods > deployed for spacing > children became very popular.Astrologically,we have > many theories > that can promote the wish of a native.with lack of > respect,sincerity > and honesty towrds our values we succumb to science > and it > misleads.let me also quote a case of my colleague. > > My friends daughter at a tender age of 22+got > married to a boy > and has to move out from parents.it is but natural > that in the same > year of marriage she was in the family way.so mother > of the girl > went to son in law place to support the newly > married lady.I think > after 3 months the young lady was brought to > parent's palce.being a > very big city/metro doctors from amnoetic fluid > determined the baby > will be a girl.That mattered all to termination in a > month's time > under able guidance of metro oriented mother.later > the girl was sent > back to son in law place/Now the issues: > > young ladymother became a obsessive compulsive > patient. > > she will not move from the bed > > she feels around her bed lot of moving insects > > all dust around and feeling sick > > This pattern of behaviour remained even as on > date though after > an year or so they got a male child.The mother yet > could not recover > from the experience of termination of pregnancy. > > The wish to avoid unwanted sex (female child) is > now available > off the shelf as if Doctors can facilitate nor for > that matter. > > 1. Astrology.could be of some positive help to > guide but not > medicine. > > 2. Nisheka lagnam and timing of conception as > an indepth study > may bless for a male child. > > 3.Astrologers are not Brahmas to create > something new > > Let's hope the use of science enlightens but not > discriminates > people by sex.whether boy or girl parents have to be > contended. > > krishnan > > > > auromirra19 <nalini2818 wrote: > > Pranams. > > The poems were , can you call them poems? They are > the reflections > of > > the anguish of the heart, the outburst against the > seeking of the > male > > child for lineage. But will the world hear it? > > It can only rant, become oppressive for daring to > raise your voice > > against the injustice. Abuse you for the courage > to stand up > against > > the all male bastion. > > May your call echo in the wilderness, reverberate > and bring back > > compassion and love into (in)humanity. > > God Bless you sir > > Regards > > Nalini > > > > > > , > "sahaip123" <sahaip123@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I went thru your poems . they were really > beautiful.touched the > > > heart. i have been following the entire dialogue > with u and > govind.I > > > stand by your stand. I have adopted a girl > child. It is time are > > > quetions regarding issues change.that will be > social change in > the > > > true sense. this obsession about the male child > must stop. and > who > > > better than learned astrologers to bring it > about. I salute u > > > tatvamasiji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > DIVINITY AND RELISH > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic astrology Astrology chart > Astrology software > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the > web. > > > > To from this group, send an email > to: > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Rishiji, Nice to hear from you. yes. I strongly concur with you, the querant should apologise to Tatvamasiji. But to force an apology from someone so graceless as not to have apologised on his own? The best would be what you had suggested, such discriminating queries be discouraged and IGNORED best wishes Nalini , rishi shukla <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Well spoken, Naliniji. > I will just add on that queries which discriminate, > queries which seek such information should be actively > discouraged in public forums and ignored. > The querist should apologise to Tatvamasi ji. > > regards > rishi > > --- auromirra19 <nalini2818 wrote: > > > Sri Krishnan ji, > > Science always is a double edged sword , it all is > > in the hands that > > employ it. Instead of embracing the good of Science, > > human beings > > have always craved for the darker side. What was > > thought to provide > > succour to the helpless unwed mothers and victims is > > misused.What is > > society? Are we not society? When individuals of the > > society , like > > the so emanicipated mother in your post behave > > irresponsibly, > > callously, disregarding values who is to blame. How > > many voices like > > that of Sri Tatvamsiji can be heard amidst the > > cacophony, din caused > > by the senseless minds? When a mother herself forces > > her daughter to > > commit female infanticide, what can be said of the > > much maligned > > mother-in-law. A mother is always a mother at heart, > > whether rural > > or metro and if the selflessness of the love is > > tainted what can be > > said of the misfortune of the society. > > When most of the offspring of the present times > > leave for and live > > abroad, the parents live in the country of the > > birth. What does > > having a son do to alleviate the loneliness than > > having a daughter. > > Hence it is the primary duty of the parents to care > > for the children > > till they are self sufficient,( as you rightly > > pointed out) and > > thereafter, it does not mean that they become > > dependent on the > > children for various reasons. It is better they are > > self reliant, > > less of expectations-less of frustrations. > > These are my humble thoughts, members of the list > > may excuse if I > > have offended anyone. > > Regards > > Nalini > > > > , vattem > > krishnan > > <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > Nalini j, > > > it the scince that misleads and the society that > > markets foe > > sexual discremination.we all know mother > > representing 4th and father > > (dual 9th or 10th) join together to fulfil the > > dreams.yet all pains > > for mother whether a boy or girl as she has to take > > care of them > > till they become self dependent.it is long way to > > go.Craving for boy > > appears to have become a matter as the methods > > deployed for spacing > > children became very popular.Astrologically,we have > > many theories > > that can promote the wish of a native.with lack of > > respect,sincerity > > and honesty towrds our values we succumb to science > > and it > > misleads.let me also quote a case of my colleague. > > > My friends daughter at a tender age of 22+got > > married to a boy > > and has to move out from parents.it is but natural > > that in the same > > year of marriage she was in the family way.so mother > > of the girl > > went to son in law place to support the newly > > married lady.I think > > after 3 months the young lady was brought to > > parent's palce.being a > > very big city/metro doctors from amnoetic fluid > > determined the baby > > will be a girl.That mattered all to termination in a > > month's time > > under able guidance of metro oriented mother.later > > the girl was sent > > back to son in law place/Now the issues: > > > young ladymother became a obsessive compulsive > > patient. > > > she will not move from the bed > > > she feels around her bed lot of moving insects > > > all dust around and feeling sick > > > This pattern of behaviour remained even as on > > date though after > > an year or so they got a male child.The mother yet > > could not recover > > from the experience of termination of pregnancy. > > > The wish to avoid unwanted sex (female child) is > > now available > > off the shelf as if Doctors can facilitate nor for > > that matter. > > > 1. Astrology.could be of some positive help to > > guide but not > > medicine. > > > 2. Nisheka lagnam and timing of conception as > > an indepth study > > may bless for a male child. > > > 3.Astrologers are not Brahmas to create > > something new > > > Let's hope the use of science enlightens but not > > discriminates > > people by sex.whether boy or girl parents have to be > > contended. > > > krishnan > > > > > > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > Pranams. > > > The poems were , can you call them poems? They are > > the reflections > > of > > > the anguish of the heart, the outburst against the > > seeking of the > > male > > > child for lineage. But will the world hear it? > > > It can only rant, become oppressive for daring to > > raise your voice > > > against the injustice. Abuse you for the courage > > to stand up > > against > > > the all male bastion. > > > May your call echo in the wilderness, reverberate > > and bring back > > > compassion and love into (in)humanity. > > > God Bless you sir > > > Regards > > > Nalini > > > > > > > > > , > > "sahaip123" <sahaip123@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I went thru your poems . they were really > > beautiful.touched the > > > > heart. i have been following the entire dialogue > > with u and > > govind.I > > > > stand by your stand. I have adopted a girl > > child. It is time are > > > > quetions regarding issues change.that will be > > social change in > > the > > > > true sense. this obsession about the male child > > must stop. and > > who > > > > better than learned astrologers to bring it > > about. I salute u > > > > tatvamasiji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > > DIVINITY AND RELISH > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic astrology Astrology chart > > Astrology software > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the > > web. > > > > > > To from this group, send an email > > to: > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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