Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Perhaps meaningless at this point but the tenacity/clinginess you possibly referring to in my meager experience has been seen with cancer risings with saturn in strong positions. The clinginess may show up in many different forms and variations -- = Someone clings on to a child and her cause = Another clings on to an institution that he basically devoted his life to (you have read about this chart!) = another one just clings on to a nonresponsive friend, just for old times' sake, for 39 years and counting ... let us stop there for now! RR , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Point taken. > Mercury as a karaka of the tenth house does encourage pursuits of > worldly possesions and along with venus creates an ambience in which > it is difficult to let go of things. > Mercury as a karaka of jealousy, its relations with the natural > sixth house can therefore play a dual role. > A bit of jealousy seems necessary for a person to get on with the > karma. > regards > > rishi > > > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> > wrote: > > > > You have still not told me anything :-) > > Yes misperception about jealousy is possible but one does not > usally > > jump to conclusion about someone based on one instance or even a > > few. Surely, as students of the human psyche, we must agree on > that > > premise! > > > > This exchange is dangerously getting close to what some may > perceive > > as a 'chat line' material. We must be careful, or at least I must! > > And I am not being paranoid ;-) > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Much before I even understood the 'a' of astrology, I was a > > student of > > > human life and my estimation of you, Sir, is not based on pure > > > astrological considerations, so the data is immaterial. > > > > > > My only point in the jealousy thread is that isnt jealousy also > a > > matter > > > of perception. > > > > > > A person may be considered as jealous by a large section of > people > > who > > > know him/her ..so the arudha thought flew in, was just rambling > > against > > > serious technical astrological discussion. > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I think you have overestimated my intelligence, Rishi (probably > > > > based on wrong data ;-) > > > > > > > > I am not really following the message you are trying to convey! > > > > > > > > Warmest regards, > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , rishi shukla > > > > rishi_2000in@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > My folly, when I said, me..it did not really mean 'me' > > > > > but anyone; similarly 'RRji' here was only an analogy > > > > > for any person percieving another person..was more in > > > > > a lighter vein........ > > > > > What I meant was isnt this a perception question also? > > > > > And jealousy in itself is required as a motivation to > > > > > go ahead, it need not only carry a negative > > > > > connotation. Many dimensions to a wor as always! > > > > > regards > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > --- crystal pages rrgb@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > 'RRji' never claimed that he has some special > > > > > > knowledge or divine > > > > > > whatever, dear Rishi ji! I do not judge people, > > > > > > especially not > > > > > > people like you who participate so openly on this > > > > > > forum without axes > > > > > > to grind or personal agendas. Why would I think you > > > > > > are jealous? > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not convinced that arudha really describes the > > > > > > 'internet image' > > > > > > or persona. It is an additional layer of maya :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > When Sanjayji/Narasimhaji talked about arudha they > > > > > > were talking > > > > > > about the face to face image, which itself is often > > > > > > a challenge to > > > > > > figure out. The even fewer dimensions revealed on > > > > > > internet create > > > > > > another layer. It is as if soul is a 128 bit image, > > > > > > while face to > > > > > > face is 32 bit and internet is 8 bit! It is best not > > > > > > to judge what > > > > > > we see on the internet. Always believed in that and > > > > > > for good reasons > > > > > > that I would not waste bandwidth of the forum on :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Jealousy is not intangible. Just as cancer is not. > > > > > > It takes time > > > > > > before it shows up, but once it does, it is often > > > > > > too late! > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope I am wrong!! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And then again, isnot jealousy something > > > > > > intangible, I may think I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > not jealous, RRji may think I am! > > > > > > > Perceptions, illusions and maya; does arudha come > > > > > > into picture? > > > > > > > How do I know it isnt merely jealousy operating > > > > > > but a combination > > > > > > of > > > > > > > fear and greed too? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal > > > > > > pages" <rrgb@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ann -- if you happen to be reading this, thank > > > > > > you very much for > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > data for your cousin. I am sure someone may > > > > > > volunteer to look at > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > chart and enlighten us, or if that does not > > > > > > happen, as we get > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > factors, we all can put our heads together and > > > > > > see if we can > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > based on the new information that is coming out > > > > > > -- particularly > > > > > > > > interesting is Mr. Varun's posts on Lal Kitab > > > > > > (Red book -- I am > > > > > > > > being presumptive in assuming that you do not > > > > > > speak hindustani, > > > > > > > > hindi or urdu). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing, the only way to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > "miss_astro19" > > > > > > > > <miss_astro19@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear members, wht away to furthur enhance > > > > > > this discussion > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > a living example of such behaviours. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ive been posting details of a boy who is my > > > > > > cousin, now this > > > > > > > boy > > > > > > > > > has a very jealous nature, he is very > > > > > > possesive, > > > > > > > > > he is sometimes, very positive but most of the > > > > > > times very > > > > > > > > negative, > > > > > > > > > sometimes too autocratic sometimes very > > > > > > democratic. he is a > > > > > > > > strange > > > > > > > > > psyco case, very insecure, very fearful, had > > > > > > many strange > > > > > > > > > inferirority complexes, tried to commit > > > > > > suicide many times, > > > > > > fell > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > got decived in love thrice, but he is a > > > > > > genius, i 'm sure > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > few people when it comes to brain like him > > > > > > specially when it > > > > > > > comes > > > > > > > > > to versatility, very hardworking but seldom > > > > > > got results of his > > > > > > > > hard > > > > > > > > > work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we can discuss after having his chart > > > > > > analysed all factors > > > > > > > > leading > > > > > > > > > to jealosy in extremes in humans. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dob--- 26/11/1981 > > > > > > > > > tob--- 16:08 > > > > > > > > > pob--- ajmer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looking forward to worthy discussions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ann > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , K > > > > > > Gopu <kgopu_24@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear sir, > > > > > > > > > > can we say that the feeling of jealousy is > > > > > > controlled > > > > > > > > > > by the thoughts in the mind. astrologically > > > > > > mind is > > > > > > > > > > more controlled by moon ( i am subjected to > > > > > > > > > > correction) so if moon is afflicted or in > > > > > > association > > > > > > > > > > with malefics or placement of moon or > > > > > > aspects to moon > > > > > > > > > > by malefics may lead to intense jealous > > > > > > feelings. I > > > > > > > > > > have observed that people with this jealous > > > > > > nature do > > > > > > > > > > land up with a bad health. Once again 6th > > > > > > and 12th > > > > > > > > > > house comes to play. Individuals with > > > > > > consistent > > > > > > > > > > jealous feelings are the ones where > > > > > > astrological study > > > > > > > > > > has to be done. Otherwise it is part of a > > > > > > normal human > > > > > > > > > > behaviour to be jealous in a very subtle > > > > > > manner, maybe > > > > > > > > > > it may be transient feeling. It is probably > > > > > > an inbuilt > > > > > > > > > > behaviour of every individual who lives in > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > material world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us overcome jealous feelings by > > > > > > diverting our > > > > > > > > > > thoughts to God and trying to help the > > > > > > needy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May god bless all of us. > > > > > > > > > > k.gopu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best > > > > > > spam protection > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 hello Rishi ji, undoubtedly all matter concerning with humans are more perceptions beyond any doubt.be it love or hate.jealousy is in a way a sfest resort one to improve or model and put efforts.Infact ir is akind of developmental perspective.what really matters is degrres of expression.This is not limited to jealousy itself. In fact all shad ripu when over take the muman mind and becomes a slave,then human beings face a kind of victimisation.The effort is therefore to harmonise the qualities that come out of good and bad palnets as well as good and bad houses.Now having tried to grope into the astrology some understanding definetely comes where human efforts fail.Astrologer in this aspect will be useful to suggest that becuse of mercury's effect or saturn's negative approach or clinginess the human nature gets transfomed.This is the phiolosophical view of approach and I tend to agree with your view that jealousy is in a way dream by loking at others and seeking for achievement.This in turn demands strong inclination to overcome "neighbours envy aspects" krishnan crystal pages <rrgb wrote: You have still not told me anything :-) Yes misperception about jealousy is possible but one does not usally jump to conclusion about someone based on one instance or even a few. Surely, as students of the human psyche, we must agree on that premise! This exchange is dangerously getting close to what some may perceive as a 'chat line' material. We must be careful, or at least I must! And I am not being paranoid ;-) RR , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > > Much before I even understood the 'a' of astrology, I was a student of > human life and my estimation of you, Sir, is not based on pure > astrological considerations, so the data is immaterial. > > My only point in the jealousy thread is that isnt jealousy also a matter > of perception. > > A person may be considered as jealous by a large section of people who > know him/her ..so the arudha thought flew in, was just rambling against > serious technical astrological discussion. > > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> > wrote: > > > > I think you have overestimated my intelligence, Rishi (probably > > based on wrong data ;-) > > > > I am not really following the message you are trying to convey! > > > > Warmest regards, > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , rishi shukla > > rishi_2000in@ wrote: > > > > > > My folly, when I said, me..it did not really mean 'me' > > > but anyone; similarly 'RRji' here was only an analogy > > > for any person percieving another person..was more in > > > a lighter vein........ > > > What I meant was isnt this a perception question also? > > > And jealousy in itself is required as a motivation to > > > go ahead, it need not only carry a negative > > > connotation. Many dimensions to a wor as always! > > > regards > > > rishi > > > > > > --- crystal pages rrgb@ wrote: > > > > > > > 'RRji' never claimed that he has some special > > > > knowledge or divine > > > > whatever, dear Rishi ji! I do not judge people, > > > > especially not > > > > people like you who participate so openly on this > > > > forum without axes > > > > to grind or personal agendas. Why would I think you > > > > are jealous? > > > > > > > > I am not convinced that arudha really describes the > > > > 'internet image' > > > > or persona. It is an additional layer of maya :-) > > > > > > > > When Sanjayji/Narasimhaji talked about arudha they > > > > were talking > > > > about the face to face image, which itself is often > > > > a challenge to > > > > figure out. The even fewer dimensions revealed on > > > > internet create > > > > another layer. It is as if soul is a 128 bit image, > > > > while face to > > > > face is 32 bit and internet is 8 bit! It is best not > > > > to judge what > > > > we see on the internet. Always believed in that and > > > > for good reasons > > > > that I would not waste bandwidth of the forum on :-) > > > > > > > > Jealousy is not intangible. Just as cancer is not. > > > > It takes time > > > > before it shows up, but once it does, it is often > > > > too late! > > > > > > > > I hope I am wrong!! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > "rishi_2000in" > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > And then again, isnot jealousy something > > > > intangible, I may think I > > > > am > > > > > not jealous, RRji may think I am! > > > > > Perceptions, illusions and maya; does arudha come > > > > into picture? > > > > > How do I know it isnt merely jealousy operating > > > > but a combination > > > > of > > > > > fear and greed too? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal > > > > pages" <rrgb@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Ann -- if you happen to be reading this, thank > > > > you very much for > > > > > the > > > > > > data for your cousin. I am sure someone may > > > > volunteer to look at > > > > > the > > > > > > chart and enlighten us, or if that does not > > > > happen, as we get > > > > more > > > > > > factors, we all can put our heads together and > > > > see if we can > > > > > explain > > > > > > based on the new information that is coming out > > > > -- particularly > > > > > > interesting is Mr. Varun's posts on Lal Kitab > > > > (Red book -- I am > > > > > > being presumptive in assuming that you do not > > > > speak hindustani, > > > > > > hindi or urdu). > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing, the only way to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > "miss_astro19" > > > > > > <miss_astro19@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear members, wht away to furthur enhance > > > > this discussion > > > > than > > > > > > with > > > > > > > a living example of such behaviours. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ive been posting details of a boy who is my > > > > cousin, now this > > > > > boy > > > > > > > has a very jealous nature, he is very > > > > possesive, > > > > > > > he is sometimes, very positive but most of the > > > > times very > > > > > > negative, > > > > > > > sometimes too autocratic sometimes very > > > > democratic. he is a > > > > > > strange > > > > > > > psyco case, very insecure, very fearful, had > > > > many strange > > > > > > > inferirority complexes, tried to commit > > > > suicide many times, > > > > fell > > > > > > and > > > > > > > got decived in love thrice, but he is a > > > > genius, i 'm sure > > > > there > > > > > > are > > > > > > > few people when it comes to brain like him > > > > specially when it > > > > > comes > > > > > > > to versatility, very hardworking but seldom > > > > got results of his > > > > > > hard > > > > > > > work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we can discuss after having his chart > > > > analysed all factors > > > > > > leading > > > > > > > to jealosy in extremes in humans. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dob--- 26/11/1981 > > > > > > > tob--- 16:08 > > > > > > > pob--- ajmer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looking forward to worthy discussions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ann > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , K > > > > Gopu <kgopu_24@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear sir, > > > > > > > > can we say that the feeling of jealousy is > > > > controlled > > > > > > > > by the thoughts in the mind. astrologically > > > > mind is > > > > > > > > more controlled by moon ( i am subjected to > > > > > > > > correction) so if moon is afflicted or in > > > > association > > > > > > > > with malefics or placement of moon or > > > > aspects to moon > > > > > > > > by malefics may lead to intense jealous > > > > feelings. I > > > > > > > > have observed that people with this jealous > > > > nature do > > > > > > > > land up with a bad health. Once again 6th > > > > and 12th > > > > > > > > house comes to play. Individuals with > > > > consistent > > > > > > > > jealous feelings are the ones where > > > > astrological study > > > > > > > > has to be done. Otherwise it is part of a > > > > normal human > > > > > > > > behaviour to be jealous in a very subtle > > > > manner, maybe > > > > > > > > it may be transient feeling. It is probably > > > > an inbuilt > > > > > > > > behaviour of every individual who lives in > > > > this > > > > > > > > material world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us overcome jealous feelings by > > > > diverting our > > > > > > > > thoughts to God and trying to help the > > > > needy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May god bless all of us. > > > > > > > > k.gopu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best > > > > spam protection > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "" on the web. 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