Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 If I had any power, Rishi, I would say, "Right now!", but then I would be blamed for being arrogant for even dare to wish so! I have in times like these -- found silence to be the best solace, because only in silence do we really come close to the one constant, one most significant friend we were allowed to bring into this reality, this existence, this experience. You know what I am referring to! The only true friend that came with you and will go with you! It is a shame that sometimes it is misperceived as an enemy and causes much suffering through life and later. RR , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Do you promise to give me back my sunshine some day, some year, some > life? > > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> > wrote: > > > > Actually that is the interesting puzzle. It has been very sunny > the > > last few days and yet when the freezing rain came down the sun was > > shining brightly. It is an interesting experience for astrologers > > living in the northern latitudes. You get to see how ineffective > sun > > can be for a few months. You see it in full glory but it does not > > have the heat to change anything or at least the cyclical pattern > > and winter sets in, anyway! > > > > As most northerners know, you just dress warm, don't expose > yourself > > too much, maybe follow some martian sports (winter activities) and > > predictably enough, the saturnine grip on Sun would vane and it > will > > be spring soon. > > > > OOPS, here I go philosophizing again! > > > > > > RR > > > > , rishi shukla > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > lets crack the ice then and get some sunshine in here > > > then! > > > > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > Pardon me sister for being so paranoid, but all > > > > these wrong data and > > > > wrong charts lately from so many sources warn me to > > > > only consider > > > > data that is reported in raw form :-) > > > > > > > > There is all that ayanamsha and other factors too to > > > > consider. I am > > > > sure you will understand -- I am on thin ice, > > > > literally at least > > > > today and as I have confessed just recently, I don't > > > > know how to > > > > skate on thin ice :-( > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > "auromirra19" > > > > <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > One more example, Moon, mercury and a malefic, > > > > ketu in pisces, sun > > > > > in aquarius - Saturn in sagittarius with > > > > digbala,aspecting sun, a > > > > > case for the mangal bud?. Lord of 2nd house, moon > > > > in 10th, > > > > > afflicted.Lord of 4th, mercury in 10th, > > > > debilitated. Rahu in > > > > Virgo. > > > > > Why leave Guru, he is with the mighty saturn. > > > > > All possible combinations in one? Comment please. > > > > > Nalini > > > > > , "crystal > > > > pages" <rrgb@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You are very kind but this is how problems and > > > > misperceptions > > > > > start, > > > > > > hence I will clarify to avoid future fall-outs! > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a seeker who is trying to learn through the > > > > collective > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > of this forum and its members. So far I have > > > > been lucky in > > > > getting > > > > > > some good examples and leads as to how this > > > > cancer of the soul, > > > > > > jealousy unfolds or possibly unfolds. So, any > > > > enlightenment that > > > > > is > > > > > > haavailable I will hungrily seek (in a less than > > > > absolutely > > > > > serious > > > > > > vein: two potential polls, no -- threads of > > > > discussion could be > > > > > hunger > > > > > > and greed). What I am writing or observing is a > > > > student's > > > > > exploration. > > > > > > Please keep that in mind :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Your hint about moon was quite good, made sense > > > > and lo and > > > > behold, > > > > > the > > > > > > Universe gifts us with a chart with exactly the > > > > moon in scorpio > > > > we > > > > > > were talking about! > > > > > > > > > > > > Or it could be one big coincidence and a > > > > red-herring for what we > > > > > know > > > > > > at this early stage! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , K Gopu > > > > <kgopu_24@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear RRji, > > > > > > > thanks for enlightening the group with some > > > > more > > > > > > > information in relation to astrology on the > > > > above > > > > > > > topic. from here our learning process has > > > > started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > withgood wishes, > > > > > > > k.gopu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 RRji, If you go to the link http://sjcerc.com/sjcatri.htm , there is a mention of Shadripus in the 5th class 2nd part MP3 file in the very beginning. The PDF file of this part of Sanjayji's class is not yet available. Also, I was wondering....dont all the feelings and all shadripus arise from the Mana, the Moon only. So why should we associate only jealousy with it? Regards, Divya crystal pages <rrgb wrote: Hi Rishi, Do you remember if this article on the web or in print? We have a situation in my community group, where I live are affected and it piqued my astrological curiosity. Thanks and best wishes, RR , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Shri Sanjay Rath has produced a good analysis of what are termed > as 'shadripu', the six enemies of a person. > They are termed as 'mad' reflected by ketu; 'Kaama' desires > reflected by rahu; Krodh..anger, reflected by Mars; lobh..greed, > reflected by Saturn; these enemies are termed as Tamasic by which > harm is caused to the native as well as other persons. > Eershya or jealousy is signified by mercury and moh or attachment by > venus; these are the rajasic ripus which affect more the native. > It is an interesting analysis though rarely these operate on one > level, shades of the others merge and converge. > For consideration please. > > Rishi > > > > , "varun_trvd" > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Rohini ji, > > > > The Lal Kitab considers Mangal-bud { bud is the reverse of nek} as > > the karak of jealousy. It describes mars malefic { mangal-bud } > as " > > eershya se khunkhaar" { ferocious with jealousy} > > > > When and under what conditions does Mars become malefic { bud } > are > > these : > > > > [ 1 ] Mars placed in the 4th or the 8th house > > [ 2 ] If there is sun + Saturn combination in the horoscope. > > [ 3 ] If the venus is in the 9th house > > [ 4 ] Mars in the company of either mercury or ketu or both > > > > If the Mars gets help from the Sun or the Moon either through > aspect > > or association , it will not be bud { malefic } > > > > With naman to all gurujan, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> > > wrote: > > > > > > One of my students recently asked: What is the astrological > > > signature of jealousy? > > > > > > > > > What an interesting angle! > > > > > > > > > One would think -- malefics perhaps, the universal primary > > > scapegoats in astrology, but jealousy is complex, even when it > > pukes > > > out so obviously that a child would not miss. > > > > > > I think it could be about possession and possessiveness. The > > missing > > > thing that one covets to possess could be a trait, a treasure or > > > even just a perceived situation where someone is missing what > > > another might have or might seem to have! A basic area or sense > of > > > inadequacy often not known to the conscious self. > > > > > > Thinking aloud here, no final dictum yet, folks, but I think > > strong > > > malefics do not produce jealousy -- they force, they activate > the > > > need to possess as opposed to vacuously desire and lament for > what > > > is not owned (jealousy) and perhaps we should find some evidence > > (or > > > not) of this pondered anerata or signature in the charts of > > > dictators and taskmasters in our personal collections of charts. > > > They have gone to the other end of the specture. They are not in > > > the 'want this' but "have this and want more!" state of mind. > Even > > > Saddam is railing at his assailants while in a "cage"! > > > > > > Weak benefics under malefic influence, sapped out of their > purity, > > > inner strength and their natural mien, now their intrinsic > element > > > would be to create desire but not the will to achieve through > hard > > > work or self-improvement. And that, understandably and > presumably, > > > can lead to jealousy. > > > > > > Jealously is not necessarily bad or deplorable, mind you! > > > > > > In younger persons, children, jealousy unless overpowering can > > often > > > be the drive to success -- as is sometimes observed in cases of > > > sibling rivalry. The 'weak' sibling eventually ends up being > > > socially more successful, but still remains jealous! Again, > cases > > to > > > the contrary are not unknown either. > > > > > > Jealousy never breeds happiness, though, but I could be wrong - - > > > other forum members might have illustrations and astrological > > > examples of situations indicating otherwise, or even personal > > > experiences to share. Maybe there might be those who have > > > experienced, pondered upon this matter longer and may have found > > > other astrological answers for why jealousy afflicts the human > > heart > > > and eventually the soul. > > > > > > What possibly could be the remedy for this cancer, astrological, > > > tantric or just through personal efforts and successes perhaps. > > > > > > Sorry for rambling on, or so some may want to judge, but I think > > it > > > is important to examine and eradicate this poison that afflicts > > > human minds and souls. > > > > > > The microphone is now turned over to the "group". Let the > > > discussion, therapy and "remedy" begin. > > > > > > RR > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "" on the web. Jiyo cricket on India cricket Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Thanks Divyaa ji for the information. Why jealousy alone? No, I would restate that as: Why jealousy first? The reason was mentioned in one of the posts in the thread as being based on some events going in my community. It is not always the bomb blast in Iraq that gets one's immediate and urgent attention, Divyaaji but the mosquito that is hovering right next to your nose and making that mosquito noise! Call it human folly! Also, strategically speaking, if there are indeed six enemies, you take them one at a time, not six at the same time, and jealousy seems to be the easiest to vanquish from where I see it from! Your kind contribution is appreciated and please do not be a stranger. You have so much to contribute and I mean it, sincerely :-) RR , Divya <touchbase_divya wrote: > > RRji, > > If you go to the link http://sjcerc.com/sjcatri.htm , there is a mention of Shadripus in the 5th class 2nd part MP3 file in the very beginning. The PDF file of this part of Sanjayji's class is not yet available. > > Also, I was wondering....dont all the feelings and all shadripus arise from the Mana, the Moon only. So why should we associate only jealousy with it? > > Regards, > Divya > > > crystal pages <rrgb wrote: > Hi Rishi, > > Do you remember if this article on the web or in print? We have a > situation in my community group, where I live are affected and it > piqued my astrological curiosity. > > Thanks and best wishes, > > RR > > > , "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > Shri Sanjay Rath has produced a good analysis of what are termed > > as 'shadripu', the six enemies of a person. > > They are termed as 'mad' reflected by ketu; 'Kaama' desires > > reflected by rahu; Krodh..anger, reflected by Mars; lobh..greed, > > reflected by Saturn; these enemies are termed as Tamasic by which > > harm is caused to the native as well as other persons. > > Eershya or jealousy is signified by mercury and moh or attachment > by > > venus; these are the rajasic ripus which affect more the native. > > It is an interesting analysis though rarely these operate on one > > level, shades of the others merge and converge. > > For consideration please. > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > , "varun_trvd" > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Rohini ji, > > > > > > The Lal Kitab considers Mangal-bud { bud is the reverse of nek} > as > > > the karak of jealousy. It describes mars malefic { mangal- bud } > > as " > > > eershya se khunkhaar" { ferocious with jealousy} > > > > > > When and under what conditions does Mars become malefic { bud } > > are > > > these : > > > > > > [ 1 ] Mars placed in the 4th or the 8th house > > > [ 2 ] If there is sun + Saturn combination in the horoscope. > > > [ 3 ] If the venus is in the 9th house > > > [ 4 ] Mars in the company of either mercury or ketu or both > > > > > > If the Mars gets help from the Sun or the Moon either through > > aspect > > > or association , it will not be bud { malefic } > > > > > > With naman to all gurujan, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > One of my students recently asked: What is the astrological > > > > signature of jealousy? > > > > > > > > > > > > What an interesting angle! > > > > > > > > > > > > One would think -- malefics perhaps, the universal primary > > > > scapegoats in astrology, but jealousy is complex, even when it > > > pukes > > > > out so obviously that a child would not miss. > > > > > > > > I think it could be about possession and possessiveness. The > > > missing > > > > thing that one covets to possess could be a trait, a treasure > or > > > > even just a perceived situation where someone is missing what > > > > another might have or might seem to have! A basic area or > sense > > of > > > > inadequacy often not known to the conscious self. > > > > > > > > Thinking aloud here, no final dictum yet, folks, but I think > > > strong > > > > malefics do not produce jealousy -- they force, they activate > > the > > > > need to possess as opposed to vacuously desire and lament for > > what > > > > is not owned (jealousy) and perhaps we should find some > evidence > > > (or > > > > not) of this pondered anerata or signature in the charts of > > > > dictators and taskmasters in our personal collections of > charts. > > > > They have gone to the other end of the specture. They are not > in > > > > the 'want this' but "have this and want more!" state of mind. > > Even > > > > Saddam is railing at his assailants while in a "cage"! > > > > > > > > Weak benefics under malefic influence, sapped out of their > > purity, > > > > inner strength and their natural mien, now their intrinsic > > element > > > > would be to create desire but not the will to achieve through > > hard > > > > work or self-improvement. And that, understandably and > > presumably, > > > > can lead to jealousy. > > > > > > > > Jealously is not necessarily bad or deplorable, mind you! > > > > > > > > In younger persons, children, jealousy unless overpowering can > > > often > > > > be the drive to success -- as is sometimes observed in cases > of > > > > sibling rivalry. The 'weak' sibling eventually ends up being > > > > socially more successful, but still remains jealous! Again, > > cases > > > to > > > > the contrary are not unknown either. > > > > > > > > Jealousy never breeds happiness, though, but I could be wrong - > - > > > > other forum members might have illustrations and astrological > > > > examples of situations indicating otherwise, or even personal > > > > experiences to share. Maybe there might be those who have > > > > experienced, pondered upon this matter longer and may have > found > > > > other astrological answers for why jealousy afflicts the human > > > heart > > > > and eventually the soul. > > > > > > > > What possibly could be the remedy for this cancer, > astrological, > > > > tantric or just through personal efforts and successes perhaps. > > > > > > > > Sorry for rambling on, or so some may want to judge, but I > think > > > it > > > > is important to examine and eradicate this poison that > afflicts > > > > human minds and souls. > > > > > > > > The microphone is now turned over to the "group". Let the > > > > discussion, therapy and "remedy" begin. > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > Jiyo cricket on India cricket > Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 dear Shri RR ji, I am a novice to this field. to say something about me I am 58yrs olc and it is my good fortune( honestly) I am in aposition to have a glimpse of this ocean of knowledge in the field of astrology. During my Guru dasa I use to collect articles appearing in The Hindu (sunday issue) and go thro it. But I left that thread midway and now my saturn dasa has started in the year 2002 and probably I am getting hooked to astrology and related matters. Without flattery I can say that contributions from learned people like u, Ashutosh, Tanvir, and a few more who are constantly contributing to this field are doing a yeoman service. Frankly I am a neonate in this field. I hope with interaction with people like u I will be in a position to serve this field without any strings attached. with good wishes, k.gopu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Barely a few years younger than you, Sir, I have this very attitude. I am here to learn as well, and I learn a lot, about astrology certainly but more importantly about my first love -- human psychology and secondarily 'cyberreality'! Please do keep sharing. Sometimes due to some of the scholarly writings (no names since I could inadvertantly miss a deserving candidate) and on occasion clarity of thought displayed here, some of us may feel intimidated and a bit shy to post what our minds say, but hopefully this will pass as more and more people come forward and make this a more balanced and democratic forum where each voice is important and allowed to be expressed without too much micro- managing and rigidity. Tanvir and Neeraj has over the years done a fabulous job. Having been a moderator on larger forums such as on Compuserve and other forums, I know how much of work that is and particularly on a large forum like this where at one time a few fires may be smouldering simultaneously. It is best not to take every message and word personally. Though at times the intention is rather clear. This is true for everyone! RR , K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote: > > dear Shri RR ji, > I am a novice to this field. to say something about me > I am 58yrs olc and it is my good fortune( honestly) I > am in aposition to have a glimpse of this ocean of > knowledge in the field of astrology. During my Guru > dasa I use to collect articles appearing in The Hindu > (sunday issue) and go thro it. But I left that thread > midway and now my saturn dasa has started in the year > 2002 and probably I am getting hooked to astrology and > related matters. Without flattery I can say that > contributions from learned people like u, Ashutosh, > Tanvir, and a few more who are constantly contributing > to this field are doing a yeoman service. Frankly I am > a neonate in this field. I hope with interaction with > people like u I will be in a position to serve this > field without any strings attached. > > with good wishes, > k.gopu > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Cyberreality...needs new approaches of thoughts to understand, for one, it goes beyond the normal sensory perceptions. For here, its the written word ( notwithstanding the audio and video streams which have again begun changing cyberworld) which creates the image or illusion, where you touch the thoughts of a person with whom one is interacting before anyother interaction. Add on annoynimity, mix in wishful thinking and one gets a potent heady mix indeed. But you know it all, Sir. It remains a field of interesting experiences and so complex regards rishi , "crystal pages" <rrgb wrote: > > Barely a few years younger than you, Sir, I have this very attitude. > I am here to learn as well, and I learn a lot, about astrology > certainly but more importantly about my first love -- human > psychology and secondarily 'cyberreality'! > > Please do keep sharing. Sometimes due to some of the scholarly > writings (no names since I could inadvertantly miss a deserving > candidate) and on occasion clarity of thought displayed here, some > of us may feel intimidated and a bit shy to post what our minds say, > but hopefully this will pass as more and more people come forward > and make this a more balanced and democratic forum where each voice > is important and allowed to be expressed without too much micro- > managing and rigidity. Tanvir and Neeraj has over the years done a > fabulous job. Having been a moderator on larger forums such as on > Compuserve and other forums, I know how much of work that is and > particularly on a large forum like this where at one time a few > fires may be smouldering simultaneously. > > It is best not to take every message and word personally. Though at > times the intention is rather clear. This is true for everyone! > > RR > > , K Gopu <kgopu_24@> wrote: > > > > dear Shri RR ji, > > I am a novice to this field. to say something about me > > I am 58yrs olc and it is my good fortune( honestly) I > > am in aposition to have a glimpse of this ocean of > > knowledge in the field of astrology. During my Guru > > dasa I use to collect articles appearing in The Hindu > > (sunday issue) and go thro it. But I left that thread > > midway and now my saturn dasa has started in the year > > 2002 and probably I am getting hooked to astrology and > > related matters. Without flattery I can say that > > contributions from learned people like u, Ashutosh, > > Tanvir, and a few more who are constantly contributing > > to this field are doing a yeoman service. Frankly I am > > a neonate in this field. I hope with interaction with > > people like u I will be in a position to serve this > > field without any strings attached. > > > > with good wishes, > > k.gopu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 but it is the current reality, and no hiding from it :-) It might be premature to say that Kali Awatar is here, or maybe not! And I did not mean Bill Gates! RR , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Cyberreality...needs new approaches of thoughts to understand, for > one, it goes beyond the normal sensory perceptions. > For here, its the written word ( notwithstanding the audio and video > streams which have again begun changing cyberworld) which creates > the image or illusion, where you touch the thoughts of a person with > whom one is interacting before anyother interaction. Add on > annoynimity, mix in wishful thinking and one gets a potent heady mix > indeed. > But you know it all, Sir. > It remains a field of interesting experiences and so complex > regards > rishi > > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> > wrote: > > > > Barely a few years younger than you, Sir, I have this very > attitude. > > I am here to learn as well, and I learn a lot, about astrology > > certainly but more importantly about my first love -- human > > psychology and secondarily 'cyberreality'! > > > > Please do keep sharing. Sometimes due to some of the scholarly > > writings (no names since I could inadvertantly miss a deserving > > candidate) and on occasion clarity of thought displayed here, some > > of us may feel intimidated and a bit shy to post what our minds > say, > > but hopefully this will pass as more and more people come forward > > and make this a more balanced and democratic forum where each > voice > > is important and allowed to be expressed without too much micro- > > managing and rigidity. Tanvir and Neeraj has over the years done a > > fabulous job. Having been a moderator on larger forums such as on > > Compuserve and other forums, I know how much of work that is and > > particularly on a large forum like this where at one time a few > > fires may be smouldering simultaneously. > > > > It is best not to take every message and word personally. Though > at > > times the intention is rather clear. This is true for everyone! > > > > RR > > > > , K Gopu <kgopu_24@> wrote: > > > > > > dear Shri RR ji, > > > I am a novice to this field. to say something about me > > > I am 58yrs olc and it is my good fortune( honestly) I > > > am in aposition to have a glimpse of this ocean of > > > knowledge in the field of astrology. During my Guru > > > dasa I use to collect articles appearing in The Hindu > > > (sunday issue) and go thro it. But I left that thread > > > midway and now my saturn dasa has started in the year > > > 2002 and probably I am getting hooked to astrology and > > > related matters. Without flattery I can say that > > > contributions from learned people like u, Ashutosh, > > > Tanvir, and a few more who are constantly contributing > > > to this field are doing a yeoman service. Frankly I am > > > a neonate in this field. I hope with interaction with > > > people like u I will be in a position to serve this > > > field without any strings attached. > > > > > > with good wishes, > > > k.gopu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Yes indeed one accepts the reality, with your vast net experience, we look forward to you to keep on enlightening us on cyberrealities. , "crystal pages" <rrgb wrote: > > but it is the current reality, and no hiding from it :-) > > It might be premature to say that Kali Awatar is here, or maybe not! > > And I did not mean Bill Gates! > > RR > > > , "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > Cyberreality...needs new approaches of thoughts to understand, for > > one, it goes beyond the normal sensory perceptions. > > For here, its the written word ( notwithstanding the audio and > video > > streams which have again begun changing cyberworld) which creates > > the image or illusion, where you touch the thoughts of a person > with > > whom one is interacting before anyother interaction. Add on > > annoynimity, mix in wishful thinking and one gets a potent heady > mix > > indeed. > > But you know it all, Sir. > > It remains a field of interesting experiences and so complex > > regards > > rishi > > > > > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Barely a few years younger than you, Sir, I have this very > > attitude. > > > I am here to learn as well, and I learn a lot, about astrology > > > certainly but more importantly about my first love -- human > > > psychology and secondarily 'cyberreality'! > > > > > > Please do keep sharing. Sometimes due to some of the scholarly > > > writings (no names since I could inadvertantly miss a deserving > > > candidate) and on occasion clarity of thought displayed here, > some > > > of us may feel intimidated and a bit shy to post what our minds > > say, > > > but hopefully this will pass as more and more people come > forward > > > and make this a more balanced and democratic forum where each > > voice > > > is important and allowed to be expressed without too much micro- > > > managing and rigidity. Tanvir and Neeraj has over the years done > a > > > fabulous job. Having been a moderator on larger forums such as > on > > > Compuserve and other forums, I know how much of work that is and > > > particularly on a large forum like this where at one time a few > > > fires may be smouldering simultaneously. > > > > > > It is best not to take every message and word personally. Though > > at > > > times the intention is rather clear. This is true for everyone! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , K Gopu <kgopu_24@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > dear Shri RR ji, > > > > I am a novice to this field. to say something about me > > > > I am 58yrs olc and it is my good fortune( honestly) I > > > > am in aposition to have a glimpse of this ocean of > > > > knowledge in the field of astrology. During my Guru > > > > dasa I use to collect articles appearing in The Hindu > > > > (sunday issue) and go thro it. But I left that thread > > > > midway and now my saturn dasa has started in the year > > > > 2002 and probably I am getting hooked to astrology and > > > > related matters. Without flattery I can say that > > > > contributions from learned people like u, Ashutosh, > > > > Tanvir, and a few more who are constantly contributing > > > > to this field are doing a yeoman service. Frankly I am > > > > a neonate in this field. I hope with interaction with > > > > people like u I will be in a position to serve this > > > > field without any strings attached. > > > > > > > > with good wishes, > > > > k.gopu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Again, this is such a new reality that my 'jaw' remains dropped most times! I cannot believe that God has ever really rested after He decided to create humans in His image, as is believed in certain circles! , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Yes indeed one accepts the reality, with your vast net experience, > we look forward to you to keep on enlightening us on cyberrealities. > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> > wrote: > > > > but it is the current reality, and no hiding from it :-) > > > > It might be premature to say that Kali Awatar is here, or maybe > not! > > > > And I did not mean Bill Gates! > > > > RR > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > Cyberreality...needs new approaches of thoughts to understand, > for > > > one, it goes beyond the normal sensory perceptions. > > > For here, its the written word ( notwithstanding the audio and > > video > > > streams which have again begun changing cyberworld) which > creates > > > the image or illusion, where you touch the thoughts of a person > > with > > > whom one is interacting before anyother interaction. Add on > > > annoynimity, mix in wishful thinking and one gets a potent heady > > mix > > > indeed. > > > But you know it all, Sir. > > > It remains a field of interesting experiences and so complex > > > regards > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Barely a few years younger than you, Sir, I have this very > > > attitude. > > > > I am here to learn as well, and I learn a lot, about astrology > > > > certainly but more importantly about my first love -- human > > > > psychology and secondarily 'cyberreality'! > > > > > > > > Please do keep sharing. Sometimes due to some of the scholarly > > > > writings (no names since I could inadvertantly miss a > deserving > > > > candidate) and on occasion clarity of thought displayed here, > > some > > > > of us may feel intimidated and a bit shy to post what our > minds > > > say, > > > > but hopefully this will pass as more and more people come > > forward > > > > and make this a more balanced and democratic forum where each > > > voice > > > > is important and allowed to be expressed without too much > micro- > > > > managing and rigidity. Tanvir and Neeraj has over the years > done > > a > > > > fabulous job. Having been a moderator on larger forums such as > > on > > > > Compuserve and other forums, I know how much of work that is > and > > > > particularly on a large forum like this where at one time a > few > > > > fires may be smouldering simultaneously. > > > > > > > > It is best not to take every message and word personally. > Though > > > at > > > > times the intention is rather clear. This is true for everyone! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , K Gopu <kgopu_24@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear Shri RR ji, > > > > > I am a novice to this field. to say something about me > > > > > I am 58yrs olc and it is my good fortune( honestly) I > > > > > am in aposition to have a glimpse of this ocean of > > > > > knowledge in the field of astrology. During my Guru > > > > > dasa I use to collect articles appearing in The Hindu > > > > > (sunday issue) and go thro it. But I left that thread > > > > > midway and now my saturn dasa has started in the year > > > > > 2002 and probably I am getting hooked to astrology and > > > > > related matters. Without flattery I can say that > > > > > contributions from learned people like u, Ashutosh, > > > > > Tanvir, and a few more who are constantly contributing > > > > > to this field are doing a yeoman service. Frankly I am > > > > > a neonate in this field. I hope with interaction with > > > > > people like u I will be in a position to serve this > > > > > field without any strings attached. > > > > > > > > > > with good wishes, > > > > > k.gopu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 actually, they say, that he never rested after he created a particular species of human beings, one who use the left brain more! --- crystal pages <rrgb wrote: > Again, this is such a new reality that my 'jaw' > remains dropped most > times! I cannot believe that God has ever really > rested after He > decided to create humans in His image, as is > believed in certain > circles! > > , > "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in wrote: > > > > Yes indeed one accepts the reality, with your vast > net experience, > > we look forward to you to keep on enlightening us > on > cyberrealities. > > > > , "crystal > pages" <rrgb@> > > wrote: > > > > > > but it is the current reality, and no hiding > from it :-) > > > > > > It might be premature to say that Kali Awatar is > here, or maybe > > not! > > > > > > And I did not mean Bill Gates! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > , > "rishi_2000in" > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Cyberreality...needs new approaches of > thoughts to understand, > > for > > > > one, it goes beyond the normal sensory > perceptions. > > > > For here, its the written word ( > notwithstanding the audio and > > > video > > > > streams which have again begun changing > cyberworld) which > > creates > > > > the image or illusion, where you touch the > thoughts of a > person > > > with > > > > whom one is interacting before anyother > interaction. Add on > > > > annoynimity, mix in wishful thinking and one > gets a potent > heady > > > mix > > > > indeed. > > > > But you know it all, Sir. > > > > It remains a field of interesting experiences > and so complex > > > > regards > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > , > "crystal pages" > <rrgb@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Barely a few years younger than you, Sir, I > have this very > > > > attitude. > > > > > I am here to learn as well, and I learn a > lot, about > astrology > > > > > certainly but more importantly about my > first love -- human > > > > > psychology and secondarily 'cyberreality'! > > > > > > > > > > Please do keep sharing. Sometimes due to > some of the > scholarly > > > > > writings (no names since I could > inadvertantly miss a > > deserving > > > > > candidate) and on occasion clarity of > thought displayed > here, > > > some > > > > > of us may feel intimidated and a bit shy to > post what our > > minds > > > > say, > > > > > but hopefully this will pass as more and > more people come > > > forward > > > > > and make this a more balanced and democratic > forum where > each > > > > voice > > > > > is important and allowed to be expressed > without too much > > micro- > > > > > managing and rigidity. Tanvir and Neeraj has > over the years > > done > > > a > > > > > fabulous job. Having been a moderator on > larger forums such > as > > > on > > > > > Compuserve and other forums, I know how much > of work that is > > and > > > > > particularly on a large forum like this > where at one time a > > few > > > > > fires may be smouldering simultaneously. > > > > > > > > > > It is best not to take every message and > word personally. > > Though > > > > at > > > > > times the intention is rather clear. This is > true for > everyone! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > , K > Gopu <kgopu_24@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Shri RR ji, > > > > > > I am a novice to this field. to say > something about me > > > > > > I am 58yrs olc and it is my good fortune( > honestly) I > > > > > > am in aposition to have a glimpse of this > ocean of > > > > > > knowledge in the field of astrology. > During my Guru > > > > > > dasa I use to collect articles appearing > in The Hindu > > > > > > (sunday issue) and go thro it. But I left > that thread > > > > > > midway and now my saturn dasa has started > in the year > > > > > > 2002 and probably I am getting hooked to > astrology and > > > > > > related matters. Without flattery I can > say that > > > > > > contributions from learned people like u, > Ashutosh, > > > > > > Tanvir, and a few more who are constantly > contributing > > > > > > to this field are doing a yeoman service. > Frankly I am > > > > > > a neonate in this field. I hope with > interaction with > > > > > > people like u I will be in a position to > serve this > > > > > > field without any strings attached. > > > > > > > > > > > > with good wishes, > > > > > > k.gopu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best > spam protection > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Then again, does the forest create trees or trees make the forest! , rishi shukla <rishi_2000in wrote: > > actually, they say, that he never rested after he > created a particular species of human beings, one who > use the left brain more! > > --- crystal pages <rrgb wrote: > > > Again, this is such a new reality that my 'jaw' > > remains dropped most > > times! I cannot believe that God has ever really > > rested after He > > decided to create humans in His image, as is > > believed in certain > > circles! > > > > , > > "rishi_2000in" > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > Yes indeed one accepts the reality, with your vast > > net experience, > > > we look forward to you to keep on enlightening us > > on > > cyberrealities. > > > > > > , "crystal > > pages" <rrgb@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > but it is the current reality, and no hiding > > from it :-) > > > > > > > > It might be premature to say that Kali Awatar is > > here, or maybe > > > not! > > > > > > > > And I did not mean Bill Gates! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > "rishi_2000in" > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Cyberreality...needs new approaches of > > thoughts to understand, > > > for > > > > > one, it goes beyond the normal sensory > > perceptions. > > > > > For here, its the written word ( > > notwithstanding the audio and > > > > video > > > > > streams which have again begun changing > > cyberworld) which > > > creates > > > > > the image or illusion, where you touch the > > thoughts of a > > person > > > > with > > > > > whom one is interacting before anyother > > interaction. Add on > > > > > annoynimity, mix in wishful thinking and one > > gets a potent > > heady > > > > mix > > > > > indeed. > > > > > But you know it all, Sir. > > > > > It remains a field of interesting experiences > > and so complex > > > > > regards > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > "crystal pages" > > <rrgb@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Barely a few years younger than you, Sir, I > > have this very > > > > > attitude. > > > > > > I am here to learn as well, and I learn a > > lot, about > > astrology > > > > > > certainly but more importantly about my > > first love -- human > > > > > > psychology and secondarily 'cyberreality'! > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do keep sharing. Sometimes due to > > some of the > > scholarly > > > > > > writings (no names since I could > > inadvertantly miss a > > > deserving > > > > > > candidate) and on occasion clarity of > > thought displayed > > here, > > > > some > > > > > > of us may feel intimidated and a bit shy to > > post what our > > > minds > > > > > say, > > > > > > but hopefully this will pass as more and > > more people come > > > > forward > > > > > > and make this a more balanced and democratic > > forum where > > each > > > > > voice > > > > > > is important and allowed to be expressed > > without too much > > > micro- > > > > > > managing and rigidity. Tanvir and Neeraj has > > over the years > > > done > > > > a > > > > > > fabulous job. Having been a moderator on > > larger forums such > > as > > > > on > > > > > > Compuserve and other forums, I know how much > > of work that is > > > and > > > > > > particularly on a large forum like this > > where at one time a > > > few > > > > > > fires may be smouldering simultaneously. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is best not to take every message and > > word personally. > > > Though > > > > > at > > > > > > times the intention is rather clear. This is > > true for > > everyone! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , K > > Gopu <kgopu_24@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Shri RR ji, > > > > > > > I am a novice to this field. to say > > something about me > > > > > > > I am 58yrs olc and it is my good fortune( > > honestly) I > > > > > > > am in aposition to have a glimpse of this > > ocean of > > > > > > > knowledge in the field of astrology. > > During my Guru > > > > > > > dasa I use to collect articles appearing > > in The Hindu > > > > > > > (sunday issue) and go thro it. But I left > > that thread > > > > > > > midway and now my saturn dasa has started > > in the year > > > > > > > 2002 and probably I am getting hooked to > > astrology and > > > > > > > related matters. Without flattery I can > > say that > > > > > > > contributions from learned people like u, > > Ashutosh, > > > > > > > Tanvir, and a few more who are constantly > > contributing > > > > > > > to this field are doing a yeoman service. > > Frankly I am > > > > > > > a neonate in this field. I hope with > > interaction with > > > > > > > people like u I will be in a position to > > serve this > > > > > > > field without any strings attached. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with good wishes, > > > > > > > k.gopu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best > > spam protection > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 RRji, Thanks for your kind words and encourgement. Hopefully, with time and learning, my contributions to the group will also be meaningful. As some members have queried about the link http://sjcerc.com/sjcatri.htm , I'd like to clarify that the downloads are available for everyone, and not just limited to SJC members or Atri SJC students. Regards, Divya crystal pages <rrgb wrote: Thanks Divyaa ji for the information. Why jealousy alone? No, I would restate that as: Why jealousy first? The reason was mentioned in one of the posts in the thread as being based on some events going in my community. It is not always the bomb blast in Iraq that gets one's immediate and urgent attention, Divyaaji but the mosquito that is hovering right next to your nose and making that mosquito noise! Call it human folly! Also, strategically speaking, if there are indeed six enemies, you take them one at a time, not six at the same time, and jealousy seems to be the easiest to vanquish from where I see it from! Your kind contribution is appreciated and please do not be a stranger. You have so much to contribute and I mean it, sincerely :-) RR , Divya <touchbase_divya wrote: > > RRji, > > If you go to the link http://sjcerc.com/sjcatri.htm , there is a mention of Shadripus in the 5th class 2nd part MP3 file in the very beginning. The PDF file of this part of Sanjayji's class is not yet available. > > Also, I was wondering....dont all the feelings and all shadripus arise from the Mana, the Moon only. So why should we associate only jealousy with it? > > Regards, > Divya > > > crystal pages <rrgb wrote: > Hi Rishi, > > Do you remember if this article on the web or in print? We have a > situation in my community group, where I live are affected and it > piqued my astrological curiosity. > > Thanks and best wishes, > > RR > > > , "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > Shri Sanjay Rath has produced a good analysis of what are termed > > as 'shadripu', the six enemies of a person. > > They are termed as 'mad' reflected by ketu; 'Kaama' desires > > reflected by rahu; Krodh..anger, reflected by Mars; lobh..greed, > > reflected by Saturn; these enemies are termed as Tamasic by which > > harm is caused to the native as well as other persons. > > Eershya or jealousy is signified by mercury and moh or attachment > by > > venus; these are the rajasic ripus which affect more the native. > > It is an interesting analysis though rarely these operate on one > > level, shades of the others merge and converge. > > For consideration please. > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > , "varun_trvd" > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Rohini ji, > > > > > > The Lal Kitab considers Mangal-bud { bud is the reverse of nek} > as > > > the karak of jealousy. It describes mars malefic { mangal- bud } > > as " > > > eershya se khunkhaar" { ferocious with jealousy} > > > > > > When and under what conditions does Mars become malefic { bud } > > are > > > these : > > > > > > [ 1 ] Mars placed in the 4th or the 8th house > > > [ 2 ] If there is sun + Saturn combination in the horoscope. > > > [ 3 ] If the venus is in the 9th house > > > [ 4 ] Mars in the company of either mercury or ketu or both > > > > > > If the Mars gets help from the Sun or the Moon either through > > aspect > > > or association , it will not be bud { malefic } > > > > > > With naman to all gurujan, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > One of my students recently asked: What is the astrological > > > > signature of jealousy? > > > > > > > > > > > > What an interesting angle! > > > > > > > > > > > > One would think -- malefics perhaps, the universal primary > > > > scapegoats in astrology, but jealousy is complex, even when it > > > pukes > > > > out so obviously that a child would not miss. > > > > > > > > I think it could be about possession and possessiveness. The > > > missing > > > > thing that one covets to possess could be a trait, a treasure > or > > > > even just a perceived situation where someone is missing what > > > > another might have or might seem to have! A basic area or > sense > > of > > > > inadequacy often not known to the conscious self. > > > > > > > > Thinking aloud here, no final dictum yet, folks, but I think > > > strong > > > > malefics do not produce jealousy -- they force, they activate > > the > > > > need to possess as opposed to vacuously desire and lament for > > what > > > > is not owned (jealousy) and perhaps we should find some > evidence > > > (or > > > > not) of this pondered anerata or signature in the charts of > > > > dictators and taskmasters in our personal collections of > charts. > > > > They have gone to the other end of the specture. They are not > in > > > > the 'want this' but "have this and want more!" state of mind. > > Even > > > > Saddam is railing at his assailants while in a "cage"! > > > > > > > > Weak benefics under malefic influence, sapped out of their > > purity, > > > > inner strength and their natural mien, now their intrinsic > > element > > > > would be to create desire but not the will to achieve through > > hard > > > > work or self-improvement. And that, understandably and > > presumably, > > > > can lead to jealousy. > > > > > > > > Jealously is not necessarily bad or deplorable, mind you! > > > > > > > > In younger persons, children, jealousy unless overpowering can > > > often > > > > be the drive to success -- as is sometimes observed in cases > of > > > > sibling rivalry. The 'weak' sibling eventually ends up being > > > > socially more successful, but still remains jealous! Again, > > cases > > > to > > > > the contrary are not unknown either. > > > > > > > > Jealousy never breeds happiness, though, but I could be wrong - > - > > > > other forum members might have illustrations and astrological > > > > examples of situations indicating otherwise, or even personal > > > > experiences to share. Maybe there might be those who have > > > > experienced, pondered upon this matter longer and may have > found > > > > other astrological answers for why jealousy afflicts the human > > > heart > > > > and eventually the soul. > > > > > > > > What possibly could be the remedy for this cancer, > astrological, > > > > tantric or just through personal efforts and successes perhaps. > > > > > > > > Sorry for rambling on, or so some may want to judge, but I > think > > > it > > > > is important to examine and eradicate this poison that > afflicts > > > > human minds and souls. > > > > > > > > The microphone is now turned over to the "group". Let the > > > > discussion, therapy and "remedy" begin. > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > Jiyo cricket on India cricket > Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "" on the web. Jiyo cricket on India cricket Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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