Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 One of my students recently asked: What is the astrological signature of jealousy? What an interesting angle! One would think -- malefics perhaps, the universal primary scapegoats in astrology, but jealousy is complex, even when it pukes out so obviously that a child would not miss. I think it could be about possession and possessiveness. The missing thing that one covets to possess could be a trait, a treasure or even just a perceived situation where someone is missing what another might have or might seem to have! A basic area or sense of inadequacy often not known to the conscious self. Thinking aloud here, no final dictum yet, folks, but I think strong malefics do not produce jealousy -- they force, they activate the need to possess as opposed to vacuously desire and lament for what is not owned (jealousy) and perhaps we should find some evidence (or not) of this pondered anerata or signature in the charts of dictators and taskmasters in our personal collections of charts. They have gone to the other end of the specture. They are not in the 'want this' but "have this and want more!" state of mind. Even Saddam is railing at his assailants while in a "cage"! Weak benefics under malefic influence, sapped out of their purity, inner strength and their natural mien, now their intrinsic element would be to create desire but not the will to achieve through hard work or self-improvement. And that, understandably and presumably, can lead to jealousy. Jealously is not necessarily bad or deplorable, mind you! In younger persons, children, jealousy unless overpowering can often be the drive to success -- as is sometimes observed in cases of sibling rivalry. The 'weak' sibling eventually ends up being socially more successful, but still remains jealous! Again, cases to the contrary are not unknown either. Jealousy never breeds happiness, though, but I could be wrong -- other forum members might have illustrations and astrological examples of situations indicating otherwise, or even personal experiences to share. Maybe there might be those who have experienced, pondered upon this matter longer and may have found other astrological answers for why jealousy afflicts the human heart and eventually the soul. What possibly could be the remedy for this cancer, astrological, tantric or just through personal efforts and successes perhaps. Sorry for rambling on, or so some may want to judge, but I think it is important to examine and eradicate this poison that afflicts human minds and souls. The microphone is now turned over to the "group". Let the discussion, therapy and "remedy" begin. RR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Respected Rohini ji, The Lal Kitab considers Mangal-bud { bud is the reverse of nek}as the karak of jealousy. It describes mars malefic { mangal-bud } as " eershya se khunkhaar" { ferocious with jealousy} When and under what conditions does Mars become malefic { bud } are these : [ 1 ] Mars placed in the 4th or the 8th house [ 2 ] If there is sun + Saturn combination in the horoscope. [ 3 ] If the venus is in the 9th house [ 4 ] Mars in the company of either mercury or ketu or both If the Mars gets help from the Sun or the Moon either through aspect or association , it will not be bud { malefic } With naman to all gurujan, Varun Trivedi , "crystal pages" <rrgb wrote: > > One of my students recently asked: What is the astrological > signature of jealousy? > > > What an interesting angle! > > > One would think -- malefics perhaps, the universal primary > scapegoats in astrology, but jealousy is complex, even when it pukes > out so obviously that a child would not miss. > > I think it could be about possession and possessiveness. The missing > thing that one covets to possess could be a trait, a treasure or > even just a perceived situation where someone is missing what > another might have or might seem to have! A basic area or sense of > inadequacy often not known to the conscious self. > > Thinking aloud here, no final dictum yet, folks, but I think strong > malefics do not produce jealousy -- they force, they activate the > need to possess as opposed to vacuously desire and lament for what > is not owned (jealousy) and perhaps we should find some evidence (or > not) of this pondered anerata or signature in the charts of > dictators and taskmasters in our personal collections of charts. > They have gone to the other end of the specture. They are not in > the 'want this' but "have this and want more!" state of mind. Even > Saddam is railing at his assailants while in a "cage"! > > Weak benefics under malefic influence, sapped out of their purity, > inner strength and their natural mien, now their intrinsic element > would be to create desire but not the will to achieve through hard > work or self-improvement. And that, understandably and presumably, > can lead to jealousy. > > Jealously is not necessarily bad or deplorable, mind you! > > In younger persons, children, jealousy unless overpowering can often > be the drive to success -- as is sometimes observed in cases of > sibling rivalry. The 'weak' sibling eventually ends up being > socially more successful, but still remains jealous! Again, cases to > the contrary are not unknown either. > > Jealousy never breeds happiness, though, but I could be wrong -- > other forum members might have illustrations and astrological > examples of situations indicating otherwise, or even personal > experiences to share. Maybe there might be those who have > experienced, pondered upon this matter longer and may have found > other astrological answers for why jealousy afflicts the human heart > and eventually the soul. > > What possibly could be the remedy for this cancer, astrological, > tantric or just through personal efforts and successes perhaps. > > Sorry for rambling on, or so some may want to judge, but I think it > is important to examine and eradicate this poison that afflicts > human minds and souls. > > The microphone is now turned over to the "group". Let the > discussion, therapy and "remedy" begin. > > RR > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Shri Sanjay Rath has produced a good analysis of what are termed as 'shadripu', the six enemies of a person. They are termed as 'mad' reflected by ketu; 'Kaama' desires reflected by rahu; Krodh..anger, reflected by Mars; lobh..greed, reflected by Saturn; these enemies are termed as Tamasic by which harm is caused to the native as well as other persons. Eershya or jealousy is signified by mercury and moh or attachment by venus; these are the rajasic ripus which affect more the native. It is an interesting analysis though rarely these operate on one level, shades of the others merge and converge. For consideration please. Rishi , "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Rohini ji, > > The Lal Kitab considers Mangal-bud { bud is the reverse of nek}as > the karak of jealousy. It describes mars malefic { mangal-bud } as " > eershya se khunkhaar" { ferocious with jealousy} > > When and under what conditions does Mars become malefic { bud } are > these : > > [ 1 ] Mars placed in the 4th or the 8th house > [ 2 ] If there is sun + Saturn combination in the horoscope. > [ 3 ] If the venus is in the 9th house > [ 4 ] Mars in the company of either mercury or ketu or both > > If the Mars gets help from the Sun or the Moon either through aspect > or association , it will not be bud { malefic } > > With naman to all gurujan, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> > wrote: > > > > One of my students recently asked: What is the astrological > > signature of jealousy? > > > > > > What an interesting angle! > > > > > > One would think -- malefics perhaps, the universal primary > > scapegoats in astrology, but jealousy is complex, even when it > pukes > > out so obviously that a child would not miss. > > > > I think it could be about possession and possessiveness. The > missing > > thing that one covets to possess could be a trait, a treasure or > > even just a perceived situation where someone is missing what > > another might have or might seem to have! A basic area or sense of > > inadequacy often not known to the conscious self. > > > > Thinking aloud here, no final dictum yet, folks, but I think > strong > > malefics do not produce jealousy -- they force, they activate the > > need to possess as opposed to vacuously desire and lament for what > > is not owned (jealousy) and perhaps we should find some evidence > (or > > not) of this pondered anerata or signature in the charts of > > dictators and taskmasters in our personal collections of charts. > > They have gone to the other end of the specture. They are not in > > the 'want this' but "have this and want more!" state of mind. Even > > Saddam is railing at his assailants while in a "cage"! > > > > Weak benefics under malefic influence, sapped out of their purity, > > inner strength and their natural mien, now their intrinsic element > > would be to create desire but not the will to achieve through hard > > work or self-improvement. And that, understandably and presumably, > > can lead to jealousy. > > > > Jealously is not necessarily bad or deplorable, mind you! > > > > In younger persons, children, jealousy unless overpowering can > often > > be the drive to success -- as is sometimes observed in cases of > > sibling rivalry. The 'weak' sibling eventually ends up being > > socially more successful, but still remains jealous! Again, cases > to > > the contrary are not unknown either. > > > > Jealousy never breeds happiness, though, but I could be wrong -- > > other forum members might have illustrations and astrological > > examples of situations indicating otherwise, or even personal > > experiences to share. Maybe there might be those who have > > experienced, pondered upon this matter longer and may have found > > other astrological answers for why jealousy afflicts the human > heart > > and eventually the soul. > > > > What possibly could be the remedy for this cancer, astrological, > > tantric or just through personal efforts and successes perhaps. > > > > Sorry for rambling on, or so some may want to judge, but I think > it > > is important to examine and eradicate this poison that afflicts > > human minds and souls. > > > > The microphone is now turned over to the "group". Let the > > discussion, therapy and "remedy" begin. > > > > RR > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Let me add that this is in consonance with RRji's observation that pure malefics do more than promote jealousy and jealousy per se is not bad. Mercury in conjunction with malefics can therefore be a good way of understanding jealousy. Venus can be a good karaka for understanding possesiveness.... rishi , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Shri Sanjay Rath has produced a good analysis of what are termed > as 'shadripu', the six enemies of a person. > They are termed as 'mad' reflected by ketu; 'Kaama' desires > reflected by rahu; Krodh..anger, reflected by Mars; lobh..greed, > reflected by Saturn; these enemies are termed as Tamasic by which > harm is caused to the native as well as other persons. > Eershya or jealousy is signified by mercury and moh or attachment by > venus; these are the rajasic ripus which affect more the native. > It is an interesting analysis though rarely these operate on one > level, shades of the others merge and converge. > For consideration please. > > Rishi > > > > , "varun_trvd" > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Rohini ji, > > > > The Lal Kitab considers Mangal-bud { bud is the reverse of nek} as > > the karak of jealousy. It describes mars malefic { mangal-bud } > as " > > eershya se khunkhaar" { ferocious with jealousy} > > > > When and under what conditions does Mars become malefic { bud } > are > > these : > > > > [ 1 ] Mars placed in the 4th or the 8th house > > [ 2 ] If there is sun + Saturn combination in the horoscope. > > [ 3 ] If the venus is in the 9th house > > [ 4 ] Mars in the company of either mercury or ketu or both > > > > If the Mars gets help from the Sun or the Moon either through > aspect > > or association , it will not be bud { malefic } > > > > With naman to all gurujan, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> > > wrote: > > > > > > One of my students recently asked: What is the astrological > > > signature of jealousy? > > > > > > > > > What an interesting angle! > > > > > > > > > One would think -- malefics perhaps, the universal primary > > > scapegoats in astrology, but jealousy is complex, even when it > > pukes > > > out so obviously that a child would not miss. > > > > > > I think it could be about possession and possessiveness. The > > missing > > > thing that one covets to possess could be a trait, a treasure or > > > even just a perceived situation where someone is missing what > > > another might have or might seem to have! A basic area or sense > of > > > inadequacy often not known to the conscious self. > > > > > > Thinking aloud here, no final dictum yet, folks, but I think > > strong > > > malefics do not produce jealousy -- they force, they activate > the > > > need to possess as opposed to vacuously desire and lament for > what > > > is not owned (jealousy) and perhaps we should find some evidence > > (or > > > not) of this pondered anerata or signature in the charts of > > > dictators and taskmasters in our personal collections of charts. > > > They have gone to the other end of the specture. They are not in > > > the 'want this' but "have this and want more!" state of mind. > Even > > > Saddam is railing at his assailants while in a "cage"! > > > > > > Weak benefics under malefic influence, sapped out of their > purity, > > > inner strength and their natural mien, now their intrinsic > element > > > would be to create desire but not the will to achieve through > hard > > > work or self-improvement. And that, understandably and > presumably, > > > can lead to jealousy. > > > > > > Jealously is not necessarily bad or deplorable, mind you! > > > > > > In younger persons, children, jealousy unless overpowering can > > often > > > be the drive to success -- as is sometimes observed in cases of > > > sibling rivalry. The 'weak' sibling eventually ends up being > > > socially more successful, but still remains jealous! Again, > cases > > to > > > the contrary are not unknown either. > > > > > > Jealousy never breeds happiness, though, but I could be wrong - - > > > other forum members might have illustrations and astrological > > > examples of situations indicating otherwise, or even personal > > > experiences to share. Maybe there might be those who have > > > experienced, pondered upon this matter longer and may have found > > > other astrological answers for why jealousy afflicts the human > > heart > > > and eventually the soul. > > > > > > What possibly could be the remedy for this cancer, astrological, > > > tantric or just through personal efforts and successes perhaps. > > > > > > Sorry for rambling on, or so some may want to judge, but I think > > it > > > is important to examine and eradicate this poison that afflicts > > > human minds and souls. > > > > > > The microphone is now turned over to the "group". Let the > > > discussion, therapy and "remedy" begin. > > > > > > RR > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 I think when we consider in Astrology the lowest priority in a philosophic way can be given to Tamasic,caused by saturn and mars Mercury and venus contributing rajasic qualities can be rated better but never over satwic.Almost the present and environment and society influences even the Astrologers in to two available grades of tamasic and rajasic.Eershya and moh ,the left out options awaits the professionals.may be a consolation. If there are any exceptions even in pre and post 1980 eras it is interesting to note and analyse to take a leaf out of their life. Shri Varun ji and Rishi ji have initiated a good topic but still has some shadow of morality issues in it.I think this topic is still inconclusive krishnan rishi_2000in <rishi_2000in wrote: Shri Sanjay Rath has produced a good analysis of what are termed as 'shadripu', the six enemies of a person. They are termed as 'mad' reflected by ketu; 'Kaama' desires reflected by rahu; Krodh..anger, reflected by Mars; lobh..greed, reflected by Saturn; these enemies are termed as Tamasic by which harm is caused to the native as well as other persons. Eershya or jealousy is signified by mercury and moh or attachment by venus; these are the rajasic ripus which affect more the native. It is an interesting analysis though rarely these operate on one level, shades of the others merge and converge. For consideration please. Rishi , "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Rohini ji, > > The Lal Kitab considers Mangal-bud { bud is the reverse of nek}as > the karak of jealousy. It describes mars malefic { mangal-bud } as " > eershya se khunkhaar" { ferocious with jealousy} > > When and under what conditions does Mars become malefic { bud } are > these : > > [ 1 ] Mars placed in the 4th or the 8th house > [ 2 ] If there is sun + Saturn combination in the horoscope. > [ 3 ] If the venus is in the 9th house > [ 4 ] Mars in the company of either mercury or ketu or both > > If the Mars gets help from the Sun or the Moon either through aspect > or association , it will not be bud { malefic } > > With naman to all gurujan, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> > wrote: > > > > One of my students recently asked: What is the astrological > > signature of jealousy? > > > > > > What an interesting angle! > > > > > > One would think -- malefics perhaps, the universal primary > > scapegoats in astrology, but jealousy is complex, even when it > pukes > > out so obviously that a child would not miss. > > > > I think it could be about possession and possessiveness. The > missing > > thing that one covets to possess could be a trait, a treasure or > > even just a perceived situation where someone is missing what > > another might have or might seem to have! A basic area or sense of > > inadequacy often not known to the conscious self. > > > > Thinking aloud here, no final dictum yet, folks, but I think > strong > > malefics do not produce jealousy -- they force, they activate the > > need to possess as opposed to vacuously desire and lament for what > > is not owned (jealousy) and perhaps we should find some evidence > (or > > not) of this pondered anerata or signature in the charts of > > dictators and taskmasters in our personal collections of charts. > > They have gone to the other end of the specture. They are not in > > the 'want this' but "have this and want more!" state of mind. Even > > Saddam is railing at his assailants while in a "cage"! > > > > Weak benefics under malefic influence, sapped out of their purity, > > inner strength and their natural mien, now their intrinsic element > > would be to create desire but not the will to achieve through hard > > work or self-improvement. And that, understandably and presumably, > > can lead to jealousy. > > > > Jealously is not necessarily bad or deplorable, mind you! > > > > In younger persons, children, jealousy unless overpowering can > often > > be the drive to success -- as is sometimes observed in cases of > > sibling rivalry. The 'weak' sibling eventually ends up being > > socially more successful, but still remains jealous! Again, cases > to > > the contrary are not unknown either. > > > > Jealousy never breeds happiness, though, but I could be wrong -- > > other forum members might have illustrations and astrological > > examples of situations indicating otherwise, or even personal > > experiences to share. Maybe there might be those who have > > experienced, pondered upon this matter longer and may have found > > other astrological answers for why jealousy afflicts the human > heart > > and eventually the soul. > > > > What possibly could be the remedy for this cancer, astrological, > > tantric or just through personal efforts and successes perhaps. > > > > Sorry for rambling on, or so some may want to judge, but I think > it > > is important to examine and eradicate this poison that afflicts > > human minds and souls. > > > > The microphone is now turned over to the "group". Let the > > discussion, therapy and "remedy" begin. > > > > RR > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "" on the web. Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Thanks for your input. One follow-up question. Why would mars become bad (bud) if sun and saturn are joined or when venus is in 9th house? Does the red book also state if these planets need to be in a certain house from mars or would the sun-saturn yuti can be in any house, for instance? I am especially interested in the sun-saturn combination. Also, have you tested these tenets and found them working (none, some, all?). Your response would be of great help to practical astrologers and students of jyotish. RR , "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Rohini ji, > > The Lal Kitab considers Mangal-bud { bud is the reverse of nek}as > the karak of jealousy. It describes mars malefic { mangal-bud } as " > eershya se khunkhaar" { ferocious with jealousy} > > When and under what conditions does Mars become malefic { bud } are > these : > > [ 1 ] Mars placed in the 4th or the 8th house > [ 2 ] If there is sun + Saturn combination in the horoscope. > [ 3 ] If the venus is in the 9th house > [ 4 ] Mars in the company of either mercury or ketu or both > > If the Mars gets help from the Sun or the Moon either through aspect > or association , it will not be bud { malefic } > > With naman to all gurujan, > > Varun Trivedi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Hi Rishi, Do you remember if this article on the web or in print? We have a situation in my community group, where I live are affected and it piqued my astrological curiosity. Thanks and best wishes, RR , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Shri Sanjay Rath has produced a good analysis of what are termed > as 'shadripu', the six enemies of a person. > They are termed as 'mad' reflected by ketu; 'Kaama' desires > reflected by rahu; Krodh..anger, reflected by Mars; lobh..greed, > reflected by Saturn; these enemies are termed as Tamasic by which > harm is caused to the native as well as other persons. > Eershya or jealousy is signified by mercury and moh or attachment by > venus; these are the rajasic ripus which affect more the native. > It is an interesting analysis though rarely these operate on one > level, shades of the others merge and converge. > For consideration please. > > Rishi > > > > , "varun_trvd" > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Rohini ji, > > > > The Lal Kitab considers Mangal-bud { bud is the reverse of nek} as > > the karak of jealousy. It describes mars malefic { mangal-bud } > as " > > eershya se khunkhaar" { ferocious with jealousy} > > > > When and under what conditions does Mars become malefic { bud } > are > > these : > > > > [ 1 ] Mars placed in the 4th or the 8th house > > [ 2 ] If there is sun + Saturn combination in the horoscope. > > [ 3 ] If the venus is in the 9th house > > [ 4 ] Mars in the company of either mercury or ketu or both > > > > If the Mars gets help from the Sun or the Moon either through > aspect > > or association , it will not be bud { malefic } > > > > With naman to all gurujan, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> > > wrote: > > > > > > One of my students recently asked: What is the astrological > > > signature of jealousy? > > > > > > > > > What an interesting angle! > > > > > > > > > One would think -- malefics perhaps, the universal primary > > > scapegoats in astrology, but jealousy is complex, even when it > > pukes > > > out so obviously that a child would not miss. > > > > > > I think it could be about possession and possessiveness. The > > missing > > > thing that one covets to possess could be a trait, a treasure or > > > even just a perceived situation where someone is missing what > > > another might have or might seem to have! A basic area or sense > of > > > inadequacy often not known to the conscious self. > > > > > > Thinking aloud here, no final dictum yet, folks, but I think > > strong > > > malefics do not produce jealousy -- they force, they activate > the > > > need to possess as opposed to vacuously desire and lament for > what > > > is not owned (jealousy) and perhaps we should find some evidence > > (or > > > not) of this pondered anerata or signature in the charts of > > > dictators and taskmasters in our personal collections of charts. > > > They have gone to the other end of the specture. They are not in > > > the 'want this' but "have this and want more!" state of mind. > Even > > > Saddam is railing at his assailants while in a "cage"! > > > > > > Weak benefics under malefic influence, sapped out of their > purity, > > > inner strength and their natural mien, now their intrinsic > element > > > would be to create desire but not the will to achieve through > hard > > > work or self-improvement. And that, understandably and > presumably, > > > can lead to jealousy. > > > > > > Jealously is not necessarily bad or deplorable, mind you! > > > > > > In younger persons, children, jealousy unless overpowering can > > often > > > be the drive to success -- as is sometimes observed in cases of > > > sibling rivalry. The 'weak' sibling eventually ends up being > > > socially more successful, but still remains jealous! Again, > cases > > to > > > the contrary are not unknown either. > > > > > > Jealousy never breeds happiness, though, but I could be wrong - - > > > other forum members might have illustrations and astrological > > > examples of situations indicating otherwise, or even personal > > > experiences to share. Maybe there might be those who have > > > experienced, pondered upon this matter longer and may have found > > > other astrological answers for why jealousy afflicts the human > > heart > > > and eventually the soul. > > > > > > What possibly could be the remedy for this cancer, astrological, > > > tantric or just through personal efforts and successes perhaps. > > > > > > Sorry for rambling on, or so some may want to judge, but I think > > it > > > is important to examine and eradicate this poison that afflicts > > > human minds and souls. > > > > > > The microphone is now turned over to the "group". Let the > > > discussion, therapy and "remedy" begin. > > > > > > RR > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Rishi ji, I would like to volunteer for purpose of practical analysis.can I send my data to your personal mail please regards krishnan rishi_2000in <rishi_2000in wrote: Let me add that this is in consonance with RRji's observation that pure malefics do more than promote jealousy and jealousy per se is not bad. Mercury in conjunction with malefics can therefore be a good way of understanding jealousy. Venus can be a good karaka for understanding possesiveness.... rishi , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Shri Sanjay Rath has produced a good analysis of what are termed > as 'shadripu', the six enemies of a person. > They are termed as 'mad' reflected by ketu; 'Kaama' desires > reflected by rahu; Krodh..anger, reflected by Mars; lobh..greed, > reflected by Saturn; these enemies are termed as Tamasic by which > harm is caused to the native as well as other persons. > Eershya or jealousy is signified by mercury and moh or attachment by > venus; these are the rajasic ripus which affect more the native. > It is an interesting analysis though rarely these operate on one > level, shades of the others merge and converge. > For consideration please. > > Rishi > > > > , "varun_trvd" > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Rohini ji, > > > > The Lal Kitab considers Mangal-bud { bud is the reverse of nek} as > > the karak of jealousy. It describes mars malefic { mangal-bud } > as " > > eershya se khunkhaar" { ferocious with jealousy} > > > > When and under what conditions does Mars become malefic { bud } > are > > these : > > > > [ 1 ] Mars placed in the 4th or the 8th house > > [ 2 ] If there is sun + Saturn combination in the horoscope. > > [ 3 ] If the venus is in the 9th house > > [ 4 ] Mars in the company of either mercury or ketu or both > > > > If the Mars gets help from the Sun or the Moon either through > aspect > > or association , it will not be bud { malefic } > > > > With naman to all gurujan, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> > > wrote: > > > > > > One of my students recently asked: What is the astrological > > > signature of jealousy? > > > > > > > > > What an interesting angle! > > > > > > > > > One would think -- malefics perhaps, the universal primary > > > scapegoats in astrology, but jealousy is complex, even when it > > pukes > > > out so obviously that a child would not miss. > > > > > > I think it could be about possession and possessiveness. The > > missing > > > thing that one covets to possess could be a trait, a treasure or > > > even just a perceived situation where someone is missing what > > > another might have or might seem to have! A basic area or sense > of > > > inadequacy often not known to the conscious self. > > > > > > Thinking aloud here, no final dictum yet, folks, but I think > > strong > > > malefics do not produce jealousy -- they force, they activate > the > > > need to possess as opposed to vacuously desire and lament for > what > > > is not owned (jealousy) and perhaps we should find some evidence > > (or > > > not) of this pondered anerata or signature in the charts of > > > dictators and taskmasters in our personal collections of charts. > > > They have gone to the other end of the specture. They are not in > > > the 'want this' but "have this and want more!" state of mind. > Even > > > Saddam is railing at his assailants while in a "cage"! > > > > > > Weak benefics under malefic influence, sapped out of their > purity, > > > inner strength and their natural mien, now their intrinsic > element > > > would be to create desire but not the will to achieve through > hard > > > work or self-improvement. And that, understandably and > presumably, > > > can lead to jealousy. > > > > > > Jealously is not necessarily bad or deplorable, mind you! > > > > > > In younger persons, children, jealousy unless overpowering can > > often > > > be the drive to success -- as is sometimes observed in cases of > > > sibling rivalry. The 'weak' sibling eventually ends up being > > > socially more successful, but still remains jealous! Again, > cases > > to > > > the contrary are not unknown either. > > > > > > Jealousy never breeds happiness, though, but I could be wrong - - > > > other forum members might have illustrations and astrological > > > examples of situations indicating otherwise, or even personal > > > experiences to share. Maybe there might be those who have > > > experienced, pondered upon this matter longer and may have found > > > other astrological answers for why jealousy afflicts the human > > heart > > > and eventually the soul. > > > > > > What possibly could be the remedy for this cancer, astrological, > > > tantric or just through personal efforts and successes perhaps. > > > > > > Sorry for rambling on, or so some may want to judge, but I think > > it > > > is important to examine and eradicate this poison that afflicts > > > human minds and souls. > > > > > > The microphone is now turned over to the "group". Let the > > > discussion, therapy and "remedy" begin. > > > > > > RR > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "" on the web. Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 dear sir, can we say that the feeling of jealousy is controlled by the thoughts in the mind. astrologically mind is more controlled by moon ( i am subjected to correction) so if moon is afflicted or in association with malefics or placement of moon or aspects to moon by malefics may lead to intense jealous feelings. I have observed that people with this jealous nature do land up with a bad health. Once again 6th and 12th house comes to play. Individuals with consistent jealous feelings are the ones where astrological study has to be done. Otherwise it is part of a normal human behaviour to be jealous in a very subtle manner, maybe it may be transient feeling. It is probably an inbuilt behaviour of every individual who lives in this material world. Let us overcome jealous feelings by diverting our thoughts to God and trying to help the needy. May god bless all of us. k.gopu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Dear Gopu ji, Absolutely! When we begin exploring something like this, it is best to use clear black and white cases with intense jealousy etc, before testing too many subtle or fleeting instances of jealousy which can only confuse such a study. Later, as we begin to discern certain astrosignatures finer points can get added. That is the best strategy, certainly. However, getting back to what you wrote, I think you have something good there! Moon certainly is associated with the emotional makeup of a person and jealousy is definitely closely associated with emotions (moon) than perhaps with reasoning (mercury). However, the treatment for this soul-eating disorder of the human experience could come through talk-therapy and self-analysis (mercury) and sometimes professional help may also be required. The weaker the moon is or otherwise afflicted (paksha, malefics, in certain signs which might make it more vulnerable etc), one would tend to think that the individual may harbour jealousy. Mind you, it has to be several factors that (as I earlier mentioned time and again) have to be taken into account, but since we are only exploring here we can analyse one factor after another. Rishi indicated certain facets, you mentioned another. This is how astrology research and exploration builds up. There are no magical or make or break situations that would fit in all charts. One self- admitted individual who is very bright as far as I can tell has scorpio moon rising, for instance. Immediately one should begin asking questions about sun, mars, for starters -- which will define the true state of strength of such a moon. Then the secondary rulers also need to be considered and other malefics and benefics. Then all of this needs to be compared with charts where scorpio moons have little support. Kemadruma scorpio moons for instance, although even there one must be cautious because there could be strong nakshatra sambandhas or in other vargas which could nullify the 'loneliness' of such a moon. Just sharing some thoughts with you, on research. Staying anchored in divine thoughts and on God is good advice too -- and gets easier as other options become limited, as one progresses in life. RR , K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote: > > dear sir, > can we say that the feeling of jealousy is controlled > by the thoughts in the mind. astrologically mind is > more controlled by moon ( i am subjected to > correction) so if moon is afflicted or in association > with malefics or placement of moon or aspects to moon > by malefics may lead to intense jealous feelings. I > have observed that people with this jealous nature do > land up with a bad health. Once again 6th and 12th > house comes to play. Individuals with consistent > jealous feelings are the ones where astrological study > has to be done. Otherwise it is part of a normal human > behaviour to be jealous in a very subtle manner, maybe > it may be transient feeling. It is probably an inbuilt > behaviour of every individual who lives in this > material world. > > Let us overcome jealous feelings by diverting our > thoughts to God and trying to help the needy. > > May god bless all of us. > k.gopu > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Respected Rohini ji, There is a concept of `masnui grah' in lal Kitab. If we mix two colours a third one is formed , similarly when two planets meet or have `yuti' they form a third artificial planet { masnui grah} or the other way round , meaning every planet is composed of two element. Mangal-bud is composed of Sun + Saturn or the other way round Sun + Saturn are the constituents of mangal-bud. How venus placed in the 9th house acts like a mangal-bud has been beautifully explained by Dr.Bhooshanpriy in one of the articles in file section of his group' lalkitabremedies'. If you are interested in knowing more about it you can read it. lalkitabremedies/ Among so many other things , mangal bud also represents jealousy. Whenever I have been specifically asked about jealousy , and when I looked , I have invariably found the involvement of mangal-bud. I don't remember exactly how many cases , may be four or five so far. With naman to all gurujan. Varun Trivedi , "crystal pages" <rrgb wrote: > > Thanks for your input. One follow-up question. Why would mars become > bad (bud) if sun and saturn are joined or when venus is in 9th house? > Does the red book also state if these planets need to be in a > certain house from mars or would the sun-saturn yuti can be in any > house, for instance? > > I am especially interested in the sun-saturn combination. Also, have > you tested these tenets and found them working (none, some, all?). > Your response would be of great help to practical astrologers and > students of jyotish. > > RR > > > , "varun_trvd" > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Rohini ji, > > > > The Lal Kitab considers Mangal-bud { bud is the reverse of nek} as > > the karak of jealousy. It describes mars malefic { mangal-bud } > as " > > eershya se khunkhaar" { ferocious with jealousy} > > > > When and under what conditions does Mars become malefic { bud } > are > > these : > > > > [ 1 ] Mars placed in the 4th or the 8th house > > [ 2 ] If there is sun + Saturn combination in the horoscope. > > [ 3 ] If the venus is in the 9th house > > [ 4 ] Mars in the company of either mercury or ketu or both > > > > If the Mars gets help from the Sun or the Moon either through > aspect > > or association , it will not be bud { malefic } > > > > With naman to all gurujan, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 dear varun ji it is nice knowing your knowledge in lalkitab which i also studied for its having remedies even for the poorest of the poor person. since you are the only other member who writes on lalkitab in this group, i put my understanding here. according to the redbook, in a chart where sun+saturn conjunction takes place, not only mars becomes "bud", even rahu becomes "neech" besides mercury becoming weak. however, these results are witnessed only till the period of 36 years of age. please advise if my understanding is correct or not. with best wishes arjun , "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Rohini ji, > > There is a concept of `masnui grah' in lal Kitab. If we mix two > colours a third one is formed , similarly when two planets meet or > have `yuti' they form a third artificial planet { masnui grah} or > the other way round , meaning every planet is composed of two > element. Mangal-bud is composed of Sun + Saturn or the other way > round Sun + Saturn are the constituents of mangal-bud. > How venus placed in the 9th house acts like a mangal-bud has been > beautifully explained by Dr.Bhooshanpriy in one of the articles in > file section of his group' lalkitabremedies'. If you are interested > in knowing more about it you can read it. > > lalkitabremedies/ > > Among so many other things , mangal bud also represents jealousy. > Whenever I have been specifically asked about jealousy , and when I > looked , I have invariably found the involvement of mangal-bud. I > don't remember exactly how many cases , may be four or five so far. > > With naman to all gurujan. > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> > wrote: > > > > Thanks for your input. One follow-up question. Why would mars > become > > bad (bud) if sun and saturn are joined or when venus is in 9th > house? > > Does the red book also state if these planets need to be in a > > certain house from mars or would the sun-saturn yuti can be in any > > house, for instance? > > > > I am especially interested in the sun-saturn combination. Also, > have > > you tested these tenets and found them working (none, some, all?). > > Your response would be of great help to practical astrologers and > > students of jyotish. > > > > RR > > > > > > , "varun_trvd" > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Rohini ji, > > > > > > The Lal Kitab considers Mangal-bud { bud is the reverse of nek} > as > > > the karak of jealousy. It describes mars malefic { mangal- bud } > > as " > > > eershya se khunkhaar" { ferocious with jealousy} > > > > > > When and under what conditions does Mars become malefic { bud } > > are > > > these : > > > > > > [ 1 ] Mars placed in the 4th or the 8th house > > > [ 2 ] If there is sun + Saturn combination in the horoscope. > > > [ 3 ] If the venus is in the 9th house > > > [ 4 ] Mars in the company of either mercury or ketu or both > > > > > > If the Mars gets help from the Sun or the Moon either through > > aspect > > > or association , it will not be bud { malefic } > > > > > > With naman to all gurujan, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 This is wonderful information and thanks for sharing! And, it is such a great happenstance that you have already studied this topic a bit. I do not want to impose upon you unnecessarily but if you care to share some or all of those charts and take us through the steps of deduction as per lal kitab, that would be greatly appreciated. I like the concept of planets within planets, kind of like the colour spectrums. Hmm... Thanks RR , "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Rohini ji, > > There is a concept of `masnui grah' in lal Kitab. If we mix two > colours a third one is formed , similarly when two planets meet or > have `yuti' they form a third artificial planet { masnui grah} or > the other way round , meaning every planet is composed of two > element. Mangal-bud is composed of Sun + Saturn or the other way > round Sun + Saturn are the constituents of mangal-bud. > How venus placed in the 9th house acts like a mangal-bud has been > beautifully explained by Dr.Bhooshanpriy in one of the articles in > file section of his group' lalkitabremedies'. If you are interested > in knowing more about it you can read it. > > lalkitabremedies/ > > Among so many other things , mangal bud also represents jealousy. > Whenever I have been specifically asked about jealousy , and when I > looked , I have invariably found the involvement of mangal-bud. I > don't remember exactly how many cases , may be four or five so far. > > With naman to all gurujan. > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> > wrote: > > > > Thanks for your input. One follow-up question. Why would mars > become > > bad (bud) if sun and saturn are joined or when venus is in 9th > house? > > Does the red book also state if these planets need to be in a > > certain house from mars or would the sun-saturn yuti can be in any > > house, for instance? > > > > I am especially interested in the sun-saturn combination. Also, > have > > you tested these tenets and found them working (none, some, all?). > > Your response would be of great help to practical astrologers and > > students of jyotish. > > > > RR > > > > > > , "varun_trvd" > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Rohini ji, > > > > > > The Lal Kitab considers Mangal-bud { bud is the reverse of nek} > as > > > the karak of jealousy. It describes mars malefic { mangal- bud } > > as " > > > eershya se khunkhaar" { ferocious with jealousy} > > > > > > When and under what conditions does Mars become malefic { bud } > > are > > > these : > > > > > > [ 1 ] Mars placed in the 4th or the 8th house > > > [ 2 ] If there is sun + Saturn combination in the horoscope. > > > [ 3 ] If the venus is in the 9th house > > > [ 4 ] Mars in the company of either mercury or ketu or both > > > > > > If the Mars gets help from the Sun or the Moon either through > > aspect > > > or association , it will not be bud { malefic } > > > > > > With naman to all gurujan, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Respected Rohini ji, I am not a professional astrologer, it is just a hobby. I do not get to study many charts. But next time you come across a chart with a malefic mars { mangal-bud } just assess the native for jealousy. If I happen to come across one , I would love to share with you. With naman to all gurujan, Varun Trivedi , "crystal pages" <rrgb wrote: > > This is wonderful information and thanks for sharing! And, it is > such a great happenstance that you have already studied this topic a > bit. I do not want to impose upon you unnecessarily but if you care > to share some or all of those charts and take us through the steps > of deduction as per lal kitab, that would be greatly appreciated. > > I like the concept of planets within planets, kind of like the > colour spectrums. Hmm... > > Thanks > > RR > , "varun_trvd" > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Rohini ji, > > > > There is a concept of `masnui grah' in lal Kitab. If we mix two > > colours a third one is formed , similarly when two planets meet or > > have `yuti' they form a third artificial planet { masnui grah} or > > the other way round , meaning every planet is composed of two > > element. Mangal-bud is composed of Sun + Saturn or the other way > > round Sun + Saturn are the constituents of mangal-bud. > > How venus placed in the 9th house acts like a mangal-bud has been > > beautifully explained by Dr.Bhooshanpriy in one of the articles in > > file section of his group' lalkitabremedies'. If you are > interested > > in knowing more about it you can read it. > > > > lalkitabremedies/ > > > > Among so many other things , mangal bud also represents jealousy. > > Whenever I have been specifically asked about jealousy , and when > I > > looked , I have invariably found the involvement of mangal-bud. I > > don't remember exactly how many cases , may be four or five so far. > > > > With naman to all gurujan. > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Thanks for your input. One follow-up question. Why would mars > > become > > > bad (bud) if sun and saturn are joined or when venus is in 9th > > house? > > > Does the red book also state if these planets need to be in a > > > certain house from mars or would the sun-saturn yuti can be in > any > > > house, for instance? > > > > > > I am especially interested in the sun-saturn combination. Also, > > have > > > you tested these tenets and found them working (none, some, > all?). > > > Your response would be of great help to practical astrologers > and > > > students of jyotish. > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > , "varun_trvd" > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > The Lal Kitab considers Mangal-bud { bud is the reverse of nek} > > as > > > > the karak of jealousy. It describes mars malefic { mangal- > bud } > > > as " > > > > eershya se khunkhaar" { ferocious with jealousy} > > > > > > > > When and under what conditions does Mars become malefic { > bud } > > > are > > > > these : > > > > > > > > [ 1 ] Mars placed in the 4th or the 8th house > > > > [ 2 ] If there is sun + Saturn combination in the horoscope. > > > > [ 3 ] If the venus is in the 9th house > > > > [ 4 ] Mars in the company of either mercury or ketu or both > > > > > > > > If the Mars gets help from the Sun or the Moon either through > > > aspect > > > > or association , it will not be bud { malefic } > > > > > > > > With naman to all gurujan, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 In fact most of us on the forum are not professional. So you are in like company :-) That would be great if you could discuss, when you have time. And, if you run into the charts you mentioned you saw earlier with the lal kitab combinations, if you can find the time, please do post a few words about those with birthdata etc. dhanyavaad RR , "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Rohini ji, > > I am not a professional astrologer, it is just a hobby. I do not > get to study many charts. But next time you come across a chart > with a malefic mars { mangal-bud } just assess the native for > jealousy. If I happen to come across one , I would love to share > with you. > > With naman to all gurujan, > > Varun Trivedi > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> > wrote: > > > > This is wonderful information and thanks for sharing! And, it is > > such a great happenstance that you have already studied this topic > a > > bit. I do not want to impose upon you unnecessarily but if you > care > > to share some or all of those charts and take us through the steps > > of deduction as per lal kitab, that would be greatly appreciated. > > > > I like the concept of planets within planets, kind of like the > > colour spectrums. Hmm... > > > > Thanks > > > > RR > > , "varun_trvd" > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Rohini ji, > > > > > > There is a concept of `masnui grah' in lal Kitab. If we mix two > > > colours a third one is formed , similarly when two planets meet > or > > > have `yuti' they form a third artificial planet { masnui grah} > or > > > the other way round , meaning every planet is composed of two > > > element. Mangal-bud is composed of Sun + Saturn or the other way > > > round Sun + Saturn are the constituents of mangal-bud. > > > How venus placed in the 9th house acts like a mangal-bud has > been > > > beautifully explained by Dr.Bhooshanpriy in one of the articles > in > > > file section of his group' lalkitabremedies'. If you are > > interested > > > in knowing more about it you can read it. > > > > > > lalkitabremedies/ > > > > > > Among so many other things , mangal bud also represents > jealousy. > > > Whenever I have been specifically asked about jealousy , and > when > > I > > > looked , I have invariably found the involvement of mangal- bud. > I > > > don't remember exactly how many cases , may be four or five so > far. > > > > > > With naman to all gurujan. > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks for your input. One follow-up question. Why would mars > > > become > > > > bad (bud) if sun and saturn are joined or when venus is in 9th > > > house? > > > > Does the red book also state if these planets need to be in a > > > > certain house from mars or would the sun-saturn yuti can be in > > any > > > > house, for instance? > > > > > > > > I am especially interested in the sun-saturn combination. > Also, > > > have > > > > you tested these tenets and found them working (none, some, > > all?). > > > > Your response would be of great help to practical astrologers > > and > > > > students of jyotish. > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "varun_trvd" > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > The Lal Kitab considers Mangal-bud { bud is the reverse of > nek} > > > as > > > > > the karak of jealousy. It describes mars malefic { mangal- > > bud } > > > > as " > > > > > eershya se khunkhaar" { ferocious with jealousy} > > > > > > > > > > When and under what conditions does Mars become malefic { > > bud } > > > > are > > > > > these : > > > > > > > > > > [ 1 ] Mars placed in the 4th or the 8th house > > > > > [ 2 ] If there is sun + Saturn combination in the horoscope. > > > > > [ 3 ] If the venus is in the 9th house > > > > > [ 4 ] Mars in the company of either mercury or ketu or both > > > > > > > > > > If the Mars gets help from the Sun or the Moon either > through > > > > aspect > > > > > or association , it will not be bud { malefic } > > > > > > > > > > With naman to all gurujan, > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 dear RRji, thanks for enlightening the group with some more information in relation to astrology on the above topic. from here our learning process has started. withgood wishes, k.gopu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 You are very kind but this is how problems and misperceptions start, hence I will clarify to avoid future fall-outs! I am a seeker who is trying to learn through the collective knowledge of this forum and its members. So far I have been lucky in getting some good examples and leads as to how this cancer of the soul, jealousy unfolds or possibly unfolds. So, any enlightenment that is haavailable I will hungrily seek (in a less than absolutely serious vein: two potential polls, no -- threads of discussion could be hunger and greed). What I am writing or observing is a student's exploration. Please keep that in mind :-) Your hint about moon was quite good, made sense and lo and behold, the Universe gifts us with a chart with exactly the moon in scorpio we were talking about! Or it could be one big coincidence and a red-herring for what we know at this early stage! RR , K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote: > > dear RRji, > thanks for enlightening the group with some more > information in relation to astrology on the above > topic. from here our learning process has started. > > withgood wishes, > k.gopu > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 RRji, I do not recollect the exact nature of this article but will check up and let you know later today. regards rishi , "crystal pages" <rrgb wrote: > > Hi Rishi, > > Do you remember if this article on the web or in print? We have a > situation in my community group, where I live are affected and it > piqued my astrological curiosity. > > Thanks and best wishes, > > RR > > > , "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > Shri Sanjay Rath has produced a good analysis of what are termed > > as 'shadripu', the six enemies of a person. > > They are termed as 'mad' reflected by ketu; 'Kaama' desires > > reflected by rahu; Krodh..anger, reflected by Mars; lobh..greed, > > reflected by Saturn; these enemies are termed as Tamasic by which > > harm is caused to the native as well as other persons. > > Eershya or jealousy is signified by mercury and moh or attachment > by > > venus; these are the rajasic ripus which affect more the native. > > It is an interesting analysis though rarely these operate on one > > level, shades of the others merge and converge. > > For consideration please. > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > , "varun_trvd" > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Rohini ji, > > > > > > The Lal Kitab considers Mangal-bud { bud is the reverse of nek} > as > > > the karak of jealousy. It describes mars malefic { mangal-bud } > > as " > > > eershya se khunkhaar" { ferocious with jealousy} > > > > > > When and under what conditions does Mars become malefic { bud } > > are > > > these : > > > > > > [ 1 ] Mars placed in the 4th or the 8th house > > > [ 2 ] If there is sun + Saturn combination in the horoscope. > > > [ 3 ] If the venus is in the 9th house > > > [ 4 ] Mars in the company of either mercury or ketu or both > > > > > > If the Mars gets help from the Sun or the Moon either through > > aspect > > > or association , it will not be bud { malefic } > > > > > > With naman to all gurujan, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > One of my students recently asked: What is the astrological > > > > signature of jealousy? > > > > > > > > > > > > What an interesting angle! > > > > > > > > > > > > One would think -- malefics perhaps, the universal primary > > > > scapegoats in astrology, but jealousy is complex, even when it > > > pukes > > > > out so obviously that a child would not miss. > > > > > > > > I think it could be about possession and possessiveness. The > > > missing > > > > thing that one covets to possess could be a trait, a treasure > or > > > > even just a perceived situation where someone is missing what > > > > another might have or might seem to have! A basic area or > sense > > of > > > > inadequacy often not known to the conscious self. > > > > > > > > Thinking aloud here, no final dictum yet, folks, but I think > > > strong > > > > malefics do not produce jealousy -- they force, they activate > > the > > > > need to possess as opposed to vacuously desire and lament for > > what > > > > is not owned (jealousy) and perhaps we should find some > evidence > > > (or > > > > not) of this pondered anerata or signature in the charts of > > > > dictators and taskmasters in our personal collections of > charts. > > > > They have gone to the other end of the specture. They are not > in > > > > the 'want this' but "have this and want more!" state of mind. > > Even > > > > Saddam is railing at his assailants while in a "cage"! > > > > > > > > Weak benefics under malefic influence, sapped out of their > > purity, > > > > inner strength and their natural mien, now their intrinsic > > element > > > > would be to create desire but not the will to achieve through > > hard > > > > work or self-improvement. And that, understandably and > > presumably, > > > > can lead to jealousy. > > > > > > > > Jealously is not necessarily bad or deplorable, mind you! > > > > > > > > In younger persons, children, jealousy unless overpowering can > > > often > > > > be the drive to success -- as is sometimes observed in cases > of > > > > sibling rivalry. The 'weak' sibling eventually ends up being > > > > socially more successful, but still remains jealous! Again, > > cases > > > to > > > > the contrary are not unknown either. > > > > > > > > Jealousy never breeds happiness, though, but I could be wrong - > - > > > > other forum members might have illustrations and astrological > > > > examples of situations indicating otherwise, or even personal > > > > experiences to share. Maybe there might be those who have > > > > experienced, pondered upon this matter longer and may have > found > > > > other astrological answers for why jealousy afflicts the human > > > heart > > > > and eventually the soul. > > > > > > > > What possibly could be the remedy for this cancer, > astrological, > > > > tantric or just through personal efforts and successes perhaps. > > > > > > > > Sorry for rambling on, or so some may want to judge, but I > think > > > it > > > > is important to examine and eradicate this poison that > afflicts > > > > human minds and souls. > > > > > > > > The microphone is now turned over to the "group". Let the > > > > discussion, therapy and "remedy" begin. > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Krishnanji, I am but an ordinary student of astrology and your experience is far greater than mine. If you so desire to send me your details than my email is rishi_2000in regards rishi , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Rishi ji, > I would like to volunteer for purpose of practical analysis.can I send my data to your personal mail please > regards > krishnan > > rishi_2000in <rishi_2000in wrote: > Let me add that this is in consonance with RRji's observation that > pure malefics do more than promote jealousy and jealousy per se is > not bad. Mercury in conjunction with malefics can therefore be a > good way of understanding jealousy. > Venus can be a good karaka for understanding possesiveness.... > > rishi > > > , "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > Shri Sanjay Rath has produced a good analysis of what are termed > > as 'shadripu', the six enemies of a person. > > They are termed as 'mad' reflected by ketu; 'Kaama' desires > > reflected by rahu; Krodh..anger, reflected by Mars; lobh..greed, > > reflected by Saturn; these enemies are termed as Tamasic by which > > harm is caused to the native as well as other persons. > > Eershya or jealousy is signified by mercury and moh or attachment > by > > venus; these are the rajasic ripus which affect more the native. > > It is an interesting analysis though rarely these operate on one > > level, shades of the others merge and converge. > > For consideration please. > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > , "varun_trvd" > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Rohini ji, > > > > > > The Lal Kitab considers Mangal-bud { bud is the reverse of nek} > as > > > the karak of jealousy. It describes mars malefic { mangal-bud } > > as " > > > eershya se khunkhaar" { ferocious with jealousy} > > > > > > When and under what conditions does Mars become malefic { bud } > > are > > > these : > > > > > > [ 1 ] Mars placed in the 4th or the 8th house > > > [ 2 ] If there is sun + Saturn combination in the horoscope. > > > [ 3 ] If the venus is in the 9th house > > > [ 4 ] Mars in the company of either mercury or ketu or both > > > > > > If the Mars gets help from the Sun or the Moon either through > > aspect > > > or association , it will not be bud { malefic } > > > > > > With naman to all gurujan, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > One of my students recently asked: What is the astrological > > > > signature of jealousy? > > > > > > > > > > > > What an interesting angle! > > > > > > > > > > > > One would think -- malefics perhaps, the universal primary > > > > scapegoats in astrology, but jealousy is complex, even when it > > > pukes > > > > out so obviously that a child would not miss. > > > > > > > > I think it could be about possession and possessiveness. The > > > missing > > > > thing that one covets to possess could be a trait, a treasure > or > > > > even just a perceived situation where someone is missing what > > > > another might have or might seem to have! A basic area or > sense > > of > > > > inadequacy often not known to the conscious self. > > > > > > > > Thinking aloud here, no final dictum yet, folks, but I think > > > strong > > > > malefics do not produce jealousy -- they force, they activate > > the > > > > need to possess as opposed to vacuously desire and lament for > > what > > > > is not owned (jealousy) and perhaps we should find some > evidence > > > (or > > > > not) of this pondered anerata or signature in the charts of > > > > dictators and taskmasters in our personal collections of > charts. > > > > They have gone to the other end of the specture. They are not > in > > > > the 'want this' but "have this and want more!" state of mind. > > Even > > > > Saddam is railing at his assailants while in a "cage"! > > > > > > > > Weak benefics under malefic influence, sapped out of their > > purity, > > > > inner strength and their natural mien, now their intrinsic > > element > > > > would be to create desire but not the will to achieve through > > hard > > > > work or self-improvement. And that, understandably and > > presumably, > > > > can lead to jealousy. > > > > > > > > Jealously is not necessarily bad or deplorable, mind you! > > > > > > > > In younger persons, children, jealousy unless overpowering can > > > often > > > > be the drive to success -- as is sometimes observed in cases > of > > > > sibling rivalry. The 'weak' sibling eventually ends up being > > > > socially more successful, but still remains jealous! Again, > > cases > > > to > > > > the contrary are not unknown either. > > > > > > > > Jealousy never breeds happiness, though, but I could be wrong - > - > > > > other forum members might have illustrations and astrological > > > > examples of situations indicating otherwise, or even personal > > > > experiences to share. Maybe there might be those who have > > > > experienced, pondered upon this matter longer and may have > found > > > > other astrological answers for why jealousy afflicts the human > > > heart > > > > and eventually the soul. > > > > > > > > What possibly could be the remedy for this cancer, > astrological, > > > > tantric or just through personal efforts and successes perhaps. > > > > > > > > Sorry for rambling on, or so some may want to judge, but I > think > > > it > > > > is important to examine and eradicate this poison that > afflicts > > > > human minds and souls. > > > > > > > > The microphone is now turned over to the "group". Let the > > > > discussion, therapy and "remedy" begin. > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > Brings words and photos together (easily) with > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Mail. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 No rush , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > RRji, > I do not recollect the exact nature of this article but will check > up and let you know later today. > regards > > rishi > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> > wrote: > > > > Hi Rishi, > > > > Do you remember if this article on the web or in print? We have a > > situation in my community group, where I live are affected and it > > piqued my astrological curiosity. > > > > Thanks and best wishes, > > > > RR > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > Shri Sanjay Rath has produced a good analysis of what are termed > > > as 'shadripu', the six enemies of a person. > > > They are termed as 'mad' reflected by ketu; 'Kaama' desires > > > reflected by rahu; Krodh..anger, reflected by Mars; lobh..greed, > > > reflected by Saturn; these enemies are termed as Tamasic by which > > > harm is caused to the native as well as other persons. > > > Eershya or jealousy is signified by mercury and moh or attachment > > by > > > venus; these are the rajasic ripus which affect more the native. > > > It is an interesting analysis though rarely these operate on one > > > level, shades of the others merge and converge. > > > For consideration please. > > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > , "varun_trvd" > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > The Lal Kitab considers Mangal-bud { bud is the reverse of nek} > > as > > > > the karak of jealousy. It describes mars malefic { mangal- bud } > > > as " > > > > eershya se khunkhaar" { ferocious with jealousy} > > > > > > > > When and under what conditions does Mars become malefic { bud } > > > are > > > > these : > > > > > > > > [ 1 ] Mars placed in the 4th or the 8th house > > > > [ 2 ] If there is sun + Saturn combination in the horoscope. > > > > [ 3 ] If the venus is in the 9th house > > > > [ 4 ] Mars in the company of either mercury or ketu or both > > > > > > > > If the Mars gets help from the Sun or the Moon either through > > > aspect > > > > or association , it will not be bud { malefic } > > > > > > > > With naman to all gurujan, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > <rrgb@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > One of my students recently asked: What is the astrological > > > > > signature of jealousy? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What an interesting angle! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One would think -- malefics perhaps, the universal primary > > > > > scapegoats in astrology, but jealousy is complex, even when > it > > > > pukes > > > > > out so obviously that a child would not miss. > > > > > > > > > > I think it could be about possession and possessiveness. The > > > > missing > > > > > thing that one covets to possess could be a trait, a treasure > > or > > > > > even just a perceived situation where someone is missing what > > > > > another might have or might seem to have! A basic area or > > sense > > > of > > > > > inadequacy often not known to the conscious self. > > > > > > > > > > Thinking aloud here, no final dictum yet, folks, but I think > > > > strong > > > > > malefics do not produce jealousy -- they force, they activate > > > the > > > > > need to possess as opposed to vacuously desire and lament for > > > what > > > > > is not owned (jealousy) and perhaps we should find some > > evidence > > > > (or > > > > > not) of this pondered anerata or signature in the charts of > > > > > dictators and taskmasters in our personal collections of > > charts. > > > > > They have gone to the other end of the specture. They are not > > in > > > > > the 'want this' but "have this and want more!" state of mind. > > > Even > > > > > Saddam is railing at his assailants while in a "cage"! > > > > > > > > > > Weak benefics under malefic influence, sapped out of their > > > purity, > > > > > inner strength and their natural mien, now their intrinsic > > > element > > > > > would be to create desire but not the will to achieve through > > > hard > > > > > work or self-improvement. And that, understandably and > > > presumably, > > > > > can lead to jealousy. > > > > > > > > > > Jealously is not necessarily bad or deplorable, mind you! > > > > > > > > > > In younger persons, children, jealousy unless overpowering > can > > > > often > > > > > be the drive to success -- as is sometimes observed in cases > > of > > > > > sibling rivalry. The 'weak' sibling eventually ends up being > > > > > socially more successful, but still remains jealous! Again, > > > cases > > > > to > > > > > the contrary are not unknown either. > > > > > > > > > > Jealousy never breeds happiness, though, but I could be > wrong - > > - > > > > > other forum members might have illustrations and astrological > > > > > examples of situations indicating otherwise, or even personal > > > > > experiences to share. Maybe there might be those who have > > > > > experienced, pondered upon this matter longer and may have > > found > > > > > other astrological answers for why jealousy afflicts the > human > > > > heart > > > > > and eventually the soul. > > > > > > > > > > What possibly could be the remedy for this cancer, > > astrological, > > > > > tantric or just through personal efforts and successes > perhaps. > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for rambling on, or so some may want to judge, but I > > think > > > > it > > > > > is important to examine and eradicate this poison that > > afflicts > > > > > human minds and souls. > > > > > > > > > > The microphone is now turned over to the "group". Let the > > > > > discussion, therapy and "remedy" begin. > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 RR ji, One more example, Moon, mercury and a malefic, ketu in pisces, sun in aquarius - Saturn in sagittarius with digbala,aspecting sun, a case for the mangal bud?. Lord of 2nd house, moon in 10th, afflicted.Lord of 4th, mercury in 10th, debilitated. Rahu in Virgo. Why leave Guru, he is with the mighty saturn. All possible combinations in one? Comment please. Nalini , "crystal pages" <rrgb wrote: > > You are very kind but this is how problems and misperceptions start, > hence I will clarify to avoid future fall-outs! > > I am a seeker who is trying to learn through the collective knowledge > of this forum and its members. So far I have been lucky in getting > some good examples and leads as to how this cancer of the soul, > jealousy unfolds or possibly unfolds. So, any enlightenment that is > haavailable I will hungrily seek (in a less than absolutely serious > vein: two potential polls, no -- threads of discussion could be hunger > and greed). What I am writing or observing is a student's exploration. > Please keep that in mind :-) > > Your hint about moon was quite good, made sense and lo and behold, the > Universe gifts us with a chart with exactly the moon in scorpio we > were talking about! > > Or it could be one big coincidence and a red-herring for what we know > at this early stage! > > RR > > > , K Gopu <kgopu_24@> wrote: > > > > dear RRji, > > thanks for enlightening the group with some more > > information in relation to astrology on the above > > topic. from here our learning process has started. > > > > withgood wishes, > > k.gopu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Pardon me sister for being so paranoid, but all these wrong data and wrong charts lately from so many sources warn me to only consider data that is reported in raw form :-) There is all that ayanamsha and other factors too to consider. I am sure you will understand -- I am on thin ice, literally at least today and as I have confessed just recently, I don't know how to skate on thin ice :-( RR , "auromirra19" <nalini2818 wrote: > > RR ji, > > One more example, Moon, mercury and a malefic, ketu in pisces, sun > in aquarius - Saturn in sagittarius with digbala,aspecting sun, a > case for the mangal bud?. Lord of 2nd house, moon in 10th, > afflicted.Lord of 4th, mercury in 10th, debilitated. Rahu in Virgo. > Why leave Guru, he is with the mighty saturn. > All possible combinations in one? Comment please. > Nalini > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> > wrote: > > > > You are very kind but this is how problems and misperceptions > start, > > hence I will clarify to avoid future fall-outs! > > > > I am a seeker who is trying to learn through the collective > knowledge > > of this forum and its members. So far I have been lucky in getting > > some good examples and leads as to how this cancer of the soul, > > jealousy unfolds or possibly unfolds. So, any enlightenment that > is > > haavailable I will hungrily seek (in a less than absolutely > serious > > vein: two potential polls, no -- threads of discussion could be > hunger > > and greed). What I am writing or observing is a student's > exploration. > > Please keep that in mind :-) > > > > Your hint about moon was quite good, made sense and lo and behold, > the > > Universe gifts us with a chart with exactly the moon in scorpio we > > were talking about! > > > > Or it could be one big coincidence and a red-herring for what we > know > > at this early stage! > > > > RR > > > > > > , K Gopu <kgopu_24@> wrote: > > > > > > dear RRji, > > > thanks for enlightening the group with some more > > > information in relation to astrology on the above > > > topic. from here our learning process has started. > > > > > > withgood wishes, > > > k.gopu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 lets crack the ice then and get some sunshine in here then! --- crystal pages <rrgb wrote: > Pardon me sister for being so paranoid, but all > these wrong data and > wrong charts lately from so many sources warn me to > only consider > data that is reported in raw form :-) > > There is all that ayanamsha and other factors too to > consider. I am > sure you will understand -- I am on thin ice, > literally at least > today and as I have confessed just recently, I don't > know how to > skate on thin ice :-( > > RR > > > > , > "auromirra19" > <nalini2818 wrote: > > > > RR ji, > > > > One more example, Moon, mercury and a malefic, > ketu in pisces, sun > > in aquarius - Saturn in sagittarius with > digbala,aspecting sun, a > > case for the mangal bud?. Lord of 2nd house, moon > in 10th, > > afflicted.Lord of 4th, mercury in 10th, > debilitated. Rahu in > Virgo. > > Why leave Guru, he is with the mighty saturn. > > All possible combinations in one? Comment please. > > Nalini > > , "crystal > pages" <rrgb@> > > wrote: > > > > > > You are very kind but this is how problems and > misperceptions > > start, > > > hence I will clarify to avoid future fall-outs! > > > > > > I am a seeker who is trying to learn through the > collective > > knowledge > > > of this forum and its members. So far I have > been lucky in > getting > > > some good examples and leads as to how this > cancer of the soul, > > > jealousy unfolds or possibly unfolds. So, any > enlightenment that > > is > > > haavailable I will hungrily seek (in a less than > absolutely > > serious > > > vein: two potential polls, no -- threads of > discussion could be > > hunger > > > and greed). What I am writing or observing is a > student's > > exploration. > > > Please keep that in mind :-) > > > > > > Your hint about moon was quite good, made sense > and lo and > behold, > > the > > > Universe gifts us with a chart with exactly the > moon in scorpio > we > > > were talking about! > > > > > > Or it could be one big coincidence and a > red-herring for what we > > know > > > at this early stage! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > , K Gopu > <kgopu_24@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > dear RRji, > > > > thanks for enlightening the group with some > more > > > > information in relation to astrology on the > above > > > > topic. from here our learning process has > started. > > > > > > > > withgood wishes, > > > > k.gopu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Actually that is the interesting puzzle. It has been very sunny the last few days and yet when the freezing rain came down the sun was shining brightly. It is an interesting experience for astrologers living in the northern latitudes. You get to see how ineffective sun can be for a few months. You see it in full glory but it does not have the heat to change anything or at least the cyclical pattern and winter sets in, anyway! As most northerners know, you just dress warm, don't expose yourself too much, maybe follow some martian sports (winter activities) and predictably enough, the saturnine grip on Sun would vane and it will be spring soon. OOPS, here I go philosophizing again! RR , rishi shukla <rishi_2000in wrote: > > lets crack the ice then and get some sunshine in here > then! > > --- crystal pages <rrgb wrote: > > > Pardon me sister for being so paranoid, but all > > these wrong data and > > wrong charts lately from so many sources warn me to > > only consider > > data that is reported in raw form :-) > > > > There is all that ayanamsha and other factors too to > > consider. I am > > sure you will understand -- I am on thin ice, > > literally at least > > today and as I have confessed just recently, I don't > > know how to > > skate on thin ice :-( > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , > > "auromirra19" > > <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > > > One more example, Moon, mercury and a malefic, > > ketu in pisces, sun > > > in aquarius - Saturn in sagittarius with > > digbala,aspecting sun, a > > > case for the mangal bud?. Lord of 2nd house, moon > > in 10th, > > > afflicted.Lord of 4th, mercury in 10th, > > debilitated. Rahu in > > Virgo. > > > Why leave Guru, he is with the mighty saturn. > > > All possible combinations in one? Comment please. > > > Nalini > > > , "crystal > > pages" <rrgb@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > You are very kind but this is how problems and > > misperceptions > > > start, > > > > hence I will clarify to avoid future fall-outs! > > > > > > > > I am a seeker who is trying to learn through the > > collective > > > knowledge > > > > of this forum and its members. So far I have > > been lucky in > > getting > > > > some good examples and leads as to how this > > cancer of the soul, > > > > jealousy unfolds or possibly unfolds. So, any > > enlightenment that > > > is > > > > haavailable I will hungrily seek (in a less than > > absolutely > > > serious > > > > vein: two potential polls, no -- threads of > > discussion could be > > > hunger > > > > and greed). What I am writing or observing is a > > student's > > > exploration. > > > > Please keep that in mind :-) > > > > > > > > Your hint about moon was quite good, made sense > > and lo and > > behold, > > > the > > > > Universe gifts us with a chart with exactly the > > moon in scorpio > > we > > > > were talking about! > > > > > > > > Or it could be one big coincidence and a > > red-herring for what we > > > know > > > > at this early stage! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , K Gopu > > <kgopu_24@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear RRji, > > > > > thanks for enlightening the group with some > > more > > > > > information in relation to astrology on the > > above > > > > > topic. from here our learning process has > > started. > > > > > > > > > > withgood wishes, > > > > > k.gopu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > protection > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Do you promise to give me back my sunshine some day, some year, some life? , "crystal pages" <rrgb wrote: > > Actually that is the interesting puzzle. It has been very sunny the > last few days and yet when the freezing rain came down the sun was > shining brightly. It is an interesting experience for astrologers > living in the northern latitudes. You get to see how ineffective sun > can be for a few months. You see it in full glory but it does not > have the heat to change anything or at least the cyclical pattern > and winter sets in, anyway! > > As most northerners know, you just dress warm, don't expose yourself > too much, maybe follow some martian sports (winter activities) and > predictably enough, the saturnine grip on Sun would vane and it will > be spring soon. > > OOPS, here I go philosophizing again! > > > RR > > , rishi shukla > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > lets crack the ice then and get some sunshine in here > > then! > > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > Pardon me sister for being so paranoid, but all > > > these wrong data and > > > wrong charts lately from so many sources warn me to > > > only consider > > > data that is reported in raw form :-) > > > > > > There is all that ayanamsha and other factors too to > > > consider. I am > > > sure you will understand -- I am on thin ice, > > > literally at least > > > today and as I have confessed just recently, I don't > > > know how to > > > skate on thin ice :-( > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > "auromirra19" > > > <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > > > > > One more example, Moon, mercury and a malefic, > > > ketu in pisces, sun > > > > in aquarius - Saturn in sagittarius with > > > digbala,aspecting sun, a > > > > case for the mangal bud?. Lord of 2nd house, moon > > > in 10th, > > > > afflicted.Lord of 4th, mercury in 10th, > > > debilitated. Rahu in > > > Virgo. > > > > Why leave Guru, he is with the mighty saturn. > > > > All possible combinations in one? Comment please. > > > > Nalini > > > > , "crystal > > > pages" <rrgb@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You are very kind but this is how problems and > > > misperceptions > > > > start, > > > > > hence I will clarify to avoid future fall-outs! > > > > > > > > > > I am a seeker who is trying to learn through the > > > collective > > > > knowledge > > > > > of this forum and its members. So far I have > > > been lucky in > > > getting > > > > > some good examples and leads as to how this > > > cancer of the soul, > > > > > jealousy unfolds or possibly unfolds. So, any > > > enlightenment that > > > > is > > > > > haavailable I will hungrily seek (in a less than > > > absolutely > > > > serious > > > > > vein: two potential polls, no -- threads of > > > discussion could be > > > > hunger > > > > > and greed). What I am writing or observing is a > > > student's > > > > exploration. > > > > > Please keep that in mind :-) > > > > > > > > > > Your hint about moon was quite good, made sense > > > and lo and > > > behold, > > > > the > > > > > Universe gifts us with a chart with exactly the > > > moon in scorpio > > > we > > > > > were talking about! > > > > > > > > > > Or it could be one big coincidence and a > > > red-herring for what we > > > > know > > > > > at this early stage! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , K Gopu > > > <kgopu_24@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear RRji, > > > > > > thanks for enlightening the group with some > > > more > > > > > > information in relation to astrology on the > > > above > > > > > > topic. from here our learning process has > > > started. > > > > > > > > > > > > withgood wishes, > > > > > > k.gopu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > > protection > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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