Mean position and Mean nodes vs True position and True nodes for calculations?

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Pranav,

 

Unless you are using a software that uses unequal houses (preferred

by some jyotishis though they use a very rough approximate averaging

method or one of the many western house systems) your rahu is right

in the sixth bhava/sign (even if someone tweaks ayanamsha or uses

mean or true nodes).

 

Since you are a beginner, I would advise you to use only the whole

sign as bhava and then at some later point test the different house

systems to see if one makes more sense than another.

 

You can count on hearing other views on this but astrology can

really only sink in through doing and not by passive osmosis. If

following the latter, you might actually absorb some mish-mash or

gobeldy gook from different sources which absolutely does not make

any sense in the end and will just confuse you :-)

 

RR

 

, Sushma Gupta

<sushmagupta51 wrote:

>

> Namaste Guruji's,

> I am an astrology beginer and have been studying the basics for

some time. As every beginer starts I started with my own birth

chart. Every time I generated the chart I got different horroscopes,

which I eventually found was due to different calculation approaches.

>

> I have been doing a lot of reading on it read the calculations

and everything to find out there are two different approaches for

calculation of the position of the planets - Mean position and Mean

nodes vs True position and True nodes for calculation. Along with

Topocentric position and geocentric positions.

>

> Can experts here tell what calculation should be used when and

which one will yield correct results?

>

> You can use my details for reference:

>

> May 24, 1977

> Time: 3:45:00 am

> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> Place: Shimla, India - 77 E 09' 36", 31 N 06' 25"

>

> Here based on the choice of calculation - Rahu changes from 6th

to 7th house

>

>

> Regards,

> Pranav

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Friend,

calculations are based on mean positions only.As far as true positions in

celestial path for retrograde planets that never become direct has no

importance.

In your chart,position of rahu-ketu is 1-7 axis.with lgna as Aries with

mercury and ketu and in libra rahu.

Moon sign as cancer has equal importance apart from sun in Taurua along with

jupiter(2nd from lagna).

In your case as seen from the degrees of these nodes it is very interesting

and may need some more opinions.For purpose of results no doubt the effect of

Rahu in6-12 axis is also most relevant considering mean position of nodes.it

appears that just at the time of birth the transit of rahu-ketu occured.need

however confirmation.

results however will confirm withrference to various events in life

krishnan

 

Sushma Gupta <sushmagupta51 wrote:

Namaste Guruji's,

I am an astrology beginer and have been studying the basics for some time. As

every beginer starts I started with my own birth chart. Every time I generated

the chart I got different horroscopes, which I eventually found was due to

different calculation approaches.

 

I have been doing a lot of reading on it read the calculations and everything

to find out there are two different approaches for calculation of the position

of the planets - Mean position and Mean nodes vs True position and True nodes

for calculation. Along with Topocentric position and geocentric positions.

 

Can experts here tell what calculation should be used when and which one will

yield correct results?

 

You can use my details for reference:

 

May 24, 1977

Time: 3:45:00 am

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: Shimla, India - 77 E 09' 36", 31 N 06' 25"

 

Here based on the choice of calculation - Rahu changes from 6th to 7th house

 

 

Regards,

Pranav

 

 

 

 

 

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Sorry forgot to touch upon the geocentric vs topocentric. The latter

is also called parallax corrected position and really makes a

significant difference in the case of moon when it is in certain

angles (parallax is higher at the horizons (1st and 7th houses).

Some very brilliant astrologers have recently tried to promote that

parallax corrected moon is the best way to go, however due to

different ayanamshas used, their demonstrations havent always been

undisputable. Perhaps some bright and experienced individual with

strong opinions should test those and figure it out for us :-)

 

As far as the true vs mean -- I am not sure if there has been a

consistent position defined, either using classics or modern

research. Common sense would tell that if all other planets are used

in their true position, then why use the mean position for the nodes

alone?

 

Recently someone (another bright astrologer with very clear

speech/writing) had proposed (not sure if it was here or another

forum) that since the nodes are shadows/mathematical points and only

reveal their true positions at lunar and solar eclipse -- the choice

would always remain questionable unless people do systematic

research and demonstrate which is which. Good luck!!

 

RR

 

, Sushma Gupta

<sushmagupta51 wrote:

>

> Namaste Guruji's,

> I am an astrology beginer and have been studying the basics for

some time. As every beginer starts I started with my own birth

chart. Every time I generated the chart I got different horroscopes,

which I eventually found was due to different calculation approaches.

>

> I have been doing a lot of reading on it read the calculations

and everything to find out there are two different approaches for

calculation of the position of the planets - Mean position and Mean

nodes vs True position and True nodes for calculation. Along with

Topocentric position and geocentric positions.

>

> Can experts here tell what calculation should be used when and

which one will yield correct results?

>

> You can use my details for reference:

>

> May 24, 1977

> Time: 3:45:00 am

> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> Place: Shimla, India - 77 E 09' 36", 31 N 06' 25"

>

> Here based on the choice of calculation - Rahu changes from 6th

to 7th house

>

>

> Regards,

> Pranav

>

>

>

>

>

> Mail

> Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.

>

>

>

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Respected Krishnan ji,

 

Thank you for your response!

 

Since the planets were in transit, does that mean Rahu and Ketu will give dual

(weak) effects of 7-1 and 6-12 houses respectively? Or will it be predominant to

one house only (strong) effects?

 

What events can help predict the position of these planets?

 

Regards,

Pranav

 

vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

Dear Friend,

calculations are based on mean positions only.As far as true positions in

celestial path for retrograde planets that never become direct has no

importance.

In your chart,position of rahu-ketu is 1-7 axis.with lgna as Aries with

mercury and ketu and in libra rahu.

Moon sign as cancer has equal importance apart from sun in Taurua along with

jupiter(2nd from lagna).

In your case as seen from the degrees of these nodes it is very interesting

and may need some more opinions.For purpose of results no doubt the effect of

Rahu in6-12 axis is also most relevant considering mean position of nodes.it

appears that just at the time of birth the transit of rahu-ketu occured.need

however confirmation.

results however will confirm withrference to various events in life

krishnan

 

Sushma Gupta <sushmagupta51 wrote:

Namaste Guruji's,

I am an astrology beginer and have been studying the basics for some time. As

every beginer starts I started with my own birth chart. Every time I generated

the chart I got different horroscopes, which I eventually found was due to

different calculation approaches.

 

I have been doing a lot of reading on it read the calculations and everything

to find out there are two different approaches for calculation of the position

of the planets - Mean position and Mean nodes vs True position and True nodes

for calculation. Along with Topocentric position and geocentric positions.

 

Can experts here tell what calculation should be used when and which one will

yield correct results?

 

You can use my details for reference:

 

May 24, 1977

Time: 3:45:00 am

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: Shimla, India - 77 E 09' 36", 31 N 06' 25"

 

Here based on the choice of calculation - Rahu changes from 6th to 7th house

 

 

Regards,

Pranav

 

 

 

 

 

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Respected Rohini ji,

 

I am using a software(JagarnathHora) to do the horoscope generation. However,

when I used a web site or other software they yield different results.

 

My main concern of course was confusion about the Input yielding different

results. Furthermore it brought another question to my mind - since there is no

absolute position in a house , does the planet in different degrees affect the

house preceding and/or following it?

 

E.G - in my case

Rahu - 6th (almost in 7th) -> affects 6th (70%) and affects 7th too (30%)

Ketu - 12th (almost in 1st) -> affects 12th (70%) and affects 1st too (30%)

 

How can that be verified?

 

Regards,

Pranav

 

crystal pages <rrgb wrote:

Pranav,

 

Unless you are using a software that uses unequal houses (preferred

by some jyotishis though they use a very rough approximate averaging

method or one of the many western house systems) your rahu is right

in the sixth bhava/sign (even if someone tweaks ayanamsha or uses

mean or true nodes).

 

Since you are a beginner, I would advise you to use only the whole

sign as bhava and then at some later point test the different house

systems to see if one makes more sense than another.

 

You can count on hearing other views on this but astrology can

really only sink in through doing and not by passive osmosis. If

following the latter, you might actually absorb some mish-mash or

gobeldy gook from different sources which absolutely does not make

any sense in the end and will just confuse you :-)

 

RR

 

, Sushma Gupta

<sushmagupta51 wrote:

>

> Namaste Guruji's,

> I am an astrology beginer and have been studying the basics for

some time. As every beginer starts I started with my own birth

chart. Every time I generated the chart I got different horroscopes,

which I eventually found was due to different calculation approaches.

>

> I have been doing a lot of reading on it read the calculations

and everything to find out there are two different approaches for

calculation of the position of the planets - Mean position and Mean

nodes vs True position and True nodes for calculation. Along with

Topocentric position and geocentric positions.

>

> Can experts here tell what calculation should be used when and

which one will yield correct results?

>

> You can use my details for reference:

>

> May 24, 1977

> Time: 3:45:00 am

> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> Place: Shimla, India - 77 E 09' 36", 31 N 06' 25"

>

> Here based on the choice of calculation - Rahu changes from 6th

to 7th house

>

>

> Regards,

> Pranav

>

>

>

>

>

> Mail

> Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Pranav ji,

 

I have not tried JH but if there is one jyotishi I admire most, it

would be PVR Narasimha Rao who is a jyotishi extraordinaire. Have

you sought his views on this matter? I am not familiar with what the

different schools use but many use true others use mean. As you

might recall, we had touched on this recently and earlier too. In a

horoscope, since everyone is dancing with everyone else, even the

kemadruma moon is not alone but dances through rashi drishtis,

nakshatras and varga sambandhas and so many a kemadruma are not

really kemadruma as some soothesayers might use to evoke fear in the

poor soul that walks into their lair (hopefull such birds are rare,

though I have never counted).

 

Again. given the nature of the medium, it would be difficult to

discuss this in a really comprehensive and cogent manner but just

some hints as to how to proceed.

 

June 1990 to December 1992- was there an affliction in the feet or

digestive tract or something that could not really be diagnosed

correctly or treated properly? During that period, did something

similar happen to one of your mother's siblings (probably a mama)?

 

Again Sept 2000 to Sept 2001 -- how did expenses, institutions and

lands/cultures abroad gain prominence in your life. if they did.

Mind you these are how we begin probing things when such puzzles

appear. We probe from the superficial to the deep. Rashi to the

finer levels. Not everyone experiences things at the same level and

as we go deeper from rashi to nakshatra to vargas, at some level

things may click and that then would be your key level, as well

(read that in the background of the sensitivity I was talking to

Tanvir ji about).

 

Since I am still here and haven't seen any divine halo spring forth

from my body or Crown chakra, I must be still human and likely to

make mistakes, so don't sell that mansion yet ;-)

 

RR

 

 

 

 

, Sushma Gupta

<sushmagupta51 wrote:

>

> Respected Rohini ji,

>

> I am using a software(JagarnathHora) to do the horoscope

generation. However, when I used a web site or other software they

yield different results.

>

> My main concern of course was confusion about the Input yielding

different results. Furthermore it brought another question to my

mind - since there is no absolute position in a house , does the

planet in different degrees affect the house preceding and/or

following it?

>

> E.G - in my case

> Rahu - 6th (almost in 7th) -> affects 6th (70%) and affects 7th

too (30%)

> Ketu - 12th (almost in 1st) -> affects 12th (70%) and affects

1st too (30%)

>

> How can that be verified?

>

> Regards,

> Pranav

>

> crystal pages <rrgb wrote:

> Pranav,

>

> Unless you are using a software that uses unequal houses

(preferred

> by some jyotishis though they use a very rough approximate

averaging

> method or one of the many western house systems) your rahu is

right

> in the sixth bhava/sign (even if someone tweaks ayanamsha or uses

> mean or true nodes).

>

> Since you are a beginner, I would advise you to use only the whole

> sign as bhava and then at some later point test the different

house

> systems to see if one makes more sense than another.

>

> You can count on hearing other views on this but astrology can

> really only sink in through doing and not by passive osmosis. If

> following the latter, you might actually absorb some mish-mash or

> gobeldy gook from different sources which absolutely does not make

> any sense in the end and will just confuse you :-)

>

> RR

>

> , Sushma Gupta

> <sushmagupta51@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Guruji's,

> > I am an astrology beginer and have been studying the basics

for

> some time. As every beginer starts I started with my own birth

> chart. Every time I generated the chart I got different

horroscopes,

> which I eventually found was due to different calculation

approaches.

> >

> > I have been doing a lot of reading on it read the calculations

> and everything to find out there are two different approaches for

> calculation of the position of the planets - Mean position and

Mean

> nodes vs True position and True nodes for calculation. Along with

> Topocentric position and geocentric positions.

> >

> > Can experts here tell what calculation should be used when and

> which one will yield correct results?

> >

> > You can use my details for reference:

> >

> > May 24, 1977

> > Time: 3:45:00 am

> > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > Place: Shimla, India - 77 E 09' 36", 31 N 06' 25"

> >

> > Here based on the choice of calculation - Rahu changes from

6th

> to 7th house

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> > Pranav

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Mail

> > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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