Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Rishi, If I may pick a point in what you wrote -- I sincerely do not believe there are any karmic mistakes! There are karmic experiences. When an innocent infant falls down and hurts and cries -- did it make a mistake? No, it went through a karmic experience! It received an opportunity to experience 'reality' and the consequences of defying gravity, unprepared! Not that that was its attention -- it just wanted to get to the cookies perhaps or just the shiny red object! The infant soon learns that there are consequences and this learning comes from several experiences of a similar kind. There are no karmic mistakes because the experience is worth the opportunity to fail! One gets to go over the curriculum more deliberately, with responsibility the second time (some take 3 to 4 tumbles before they figure it out ;-) Also there is the possibility that sometimes there are just 'accidents' and not everytime a karmic lesson or karmic mistake! This janitor has seen many "accidents"! Perhaps it is just semantics, perhaps it is just the scenic route and there is another more rigorous, but shorter and unknown way. The brave may proceed, the cautious may follow the scenic route. There are no rewards for reaching early in the Soul's reality, they tell me! For, early/late/time itself does not exist there! RR , rishi shukla <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Krishnanji, Srinivasji > There are innumerable Jyotishis in here and outside > the net, there are many querists seeking help from > them to alleviate their sufferings. > The sufferings of a person originate from karmik > mistakes, whether of this life or of any other. The > solutions therefore cannot be short term and magical, > they have to be long term. > The jyotishi or the astrologer who has a clear > conscience at times is able to work some sort of > 'magic' to help out a person in acute distress but > that is not the case everytime. > If such effective remedial measures could work wonders > everytime one wouldnt see anyone in this net based > forums, for we all know that beyond this net, there > are thousands of good astrologers spread all over > India and outside India. > Now when we talk of 'balmy talk' or solace, thats what > is being done in most of the cases, whether we provide > a gemstone or a mantra or anyother upaya, we are > strengthening the resolve of the querists to face > his/her problems. So let us accept our limitations , > we are ordinary human beings not superhuman who are > with a dose of proper jyotish remedy changing the fate > of a querist. > These jyotish forums here are meant more to understand > jyotish, they are not meant to solicit professional > astrologers and their business, they can perhaps their > host their own sites and conduct business. These > forums are more for understanding the basis, the > philsphy of jyotish etc. > > This is a vital issue which is being broached. Members > ..do we need professional astrologers soliciting > business here or using this forum to generate their > business....I quote this from this message: > ''so a kind request to the fellow seekers is > > that they should understand the financial needs of > > the jyotishis and donot comeback with serial > queries'' > > regards to all of you...and may the great Lord of > time, Lord Mahakaal give you all the understanding > that jyotishis cannot change human fates they can only > direct human beings to the right path of life > > rishi > rishi > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 The mistakes are mine, the experiences are mine,we share mistakes, we admit mistakes, we share experiences. And in all this we learn that there are no shortcuts in life, either astrological or otherwise. There are no magical potions or remedies, there are no religious rituals which can change karma overnight. I do not claim to be an astrologer,therefore I cannnot tell others that perform a mantra and get rid of your karma. I have to go through it. Rishi , "crystal pages" <rrgb wrote: > > Rishi, > > If I may pick a point in what you wrote -- I sincerely do not > believe there are any karmic mistakes! > There are karmic experiences. > > When an innocent infant falls down and hurts and cries -- did it > make a mistake? No, it went through a karmic experience! It received > an opportunity to experience 'reality' and the consequences of > defying gravity, unprepared! Not that that was its attention -- it > just wanted to get to the cookies perhaps or just the shiny red > object! > > The infant soon learns that there are consequences and this learning > comes from several experiences of a similar kind. There are no > karmic mistakes because the experience is worth the opportunity to > fail! One gets to go over the curriculum more deliberately, with > responsibility the second time (some take 3 to 4 tumbles before they > figure it out ;-) > > Also there is the possibility that sometimes there are > just 'accidents' and not everytime a karmic lesson or karmic > mistake! This janitor has seen many "accidents"! > > Perhaps it is just semantics, perhaps it is just the scenic route > and there is another more rigorous, but shorter and unknown way. The > brave may proceed, the cautious may follow the scenic route. There > are no rewards for reaching early in the Soul's reality, they tell > me! For, early/late/time itself does not exist there! > > RR > > > , rishi shukla > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > Krishnanji, Srinivasji > > There are innumerable Jyotishis in here and outside > > the net, there are many querists seeking help from > > them to alleviate their sufferings. > > The sufferings of a person originate from karmik > > mistakes, whether of this life or of any other. The > > solutions therefore cannot be short term and magical, > > they have to be long term. > > The jyotishi or the astrologer who has a clear > > conscience at times is able to work some sort of > > 'magic' to help out a person in acute distress but > > that is not the case everytime. > > If such effective remedial measures could work wonders > > everytime one wouldnt see anyone in this net based > > forums, for we all know that beyond this net, there > > are thousands of good astrologers spread all over > > India and outside India. > > Now when we talk of 'balmy talk' or solace, thats what > > is being done in most of the cases, whether we provide > > a gemstone or a mantra or anyother upaya, we are > > strengthening the resolve of the querists to face > > his/her problems. So let us accept our limitations , > > we are ordinary human beings not superhuman who are > > with a dose of proper jyotish remedy changing the fate > > of a querist. > > These jyotish forums here are meant more to understand > > jyotish, they are not meant to solicit professional > > astrologers and their business, they can perhaps their > > host their own sites and conduct business. These > > forums are more for understanding the basis, the > > philsphy of jyotish etc. > > > > This is a vital issue which is being broached. Members > > ..do we need professional astrologers soliciting > > business here or using this forum to generate their > > business....I quote this from this message: > > ''so a kind request to the fellow seekers is > > > that they should understand the financial needs of > > > the jyotishis and donot comeback with serial > > queries'' > > > > regards to all of you...and may the great Lord of > > time, Lord Mahakaal give you all the understanding > > that jyotishis cannot change human fates they can only > > direct human beings to the right path of life > > > > rishi > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Dear Rishi, To be an astrologer is to first admit that one is human. Astrology is neither to be practiced by saints nor is it for saints! It is for and by the householder. For a few hundred years it might have gotten highjacked by certain groups who sat on the information and pretended as if they owned it, but truth like the essence of chameli growing in the wild breaks through. Today you see people of all religions, all (artificial) castes, all walks of life embracing the truth, their personal chosen truth, be it science, be it astrology. No one is perfect and no one has the sole rights over the truth, but all have the rights over FREEDOM, and that is what evolution is about, puritanical views about yugas, grossly misunderstood in false pretences and so on, notwithstanding!! RR , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > > The mistakes are mine, the experiences are mine,we share mistakes, > we admit mistakes, we share experiences. > And in all this we learn that there are no shortcuts in life, either > astrological or otherwise. There are no magical potions or remedies, > there are no religious rituals which can change karma overnight. > I do not claim to be an astrologer,therefore I cannnot tell others > that perform a mantra and get rid of your karma. I have to go > through it. > Rishi > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> > wrote: > > > > Rishi, > > > > If I may pick a point in what you wrote -- I sincerely do not > > believe there are any karmic mistakes! > > There are karmic experiences. > > > > When an innocent infant falls down and hurts and cries -- did it > > make a mistake? No, it went through a karmic experience! It > received > > an opportunity to experience 'reality' and the consequences of > > defying gravity, unprepared! Not that that was its attention -- it > > just wanted to get to the cookies perhaps or just the shiny red > > object! > > > > The infant soon learns that there are consequences and this > learning > > comes from several experiences of a similar kind. There are no > > karmic mistakes because the experience is worth the opportunity to > > fail! One gets to go over the curriculum more deliberately, with > > responsibility the second time (some take 3 to 4 tumbles before > they > > figure it out ;-) > > > > Also there is the possibility that sometimes there are > > just 'accidents' and not everytime a karmic lesson or karmic > > mistake! This janitor has seen many "accidents"! > > > > Perhaps it is just semantics, perhaps it is just the scenic route > > and there is another more rigorous, but shorter and unknown way. > The > > brave may proceed, the cautious may follow the scenic route. There > > are no rewards for reaching early in the Soul's reality, they tell > > me! For, early/late/time itself does not exist there! > > > > RR > > > > > > , rishi shukla > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > Krishnanji, Srinivasji > > > There are innumerable Jyotishis in here and outside > > > the net, there are many querists seeking help from > > > them to alleviate their sufferings. > > > The sufferings of a person originate from karmik > > > mistakes, whether of this life or of any other. The > > > solutions therefore cannot be short term and magical, > > > they have to be long term. > > > The jyotishi or the astrologer who has a clear > > > conscience at times is able to work some sort of > > > 'magic' to help out a person in acute distress but > > > that is not the case everytime. > > > If such effective remedial measures could work wonders > > > everytime one wouldnt see anyone in this net based > > > forums, for we all know that beyond this net, there > > > are thousands of good astrologers spread all over > > > India and outside India. > > > Now when we talk of 'balmy talk' or solace, thats what > > > is being done in most of the cases, whether we provide > > > a gemstone or a mantra or anyother upaya, we are > > > strengthening the resolve of the querists to face > > > his/her problems. So let us accept our limitations , > > > we are ordinary human beings not superhuman who are > > > with a dose of proper jyotish remedy changing the fate > > > of a querist. > > > These jyotish forums here are meant more to understand > > > jyotish, they are not meant to solicit professional > > > astrologers and their business, they can perhaps their > > > host their own sites and conduct business. These > > > forums are more for understanding the basis, the > > > philsphy of jyotish etc. > > > > > > This is a vital issue which is being broached. Members > > > ..do we need professional astrologers soliciting > > > business here or using this forum to generate their > > > business....I quote this from this message: > > > ''so a kind request to the fellow seekers is > > > > that they should understand the financial needs of > > > > the jyotishis and donot comeback with serial > > > queries'' > > > > > > regards to all of you...and may the great Lord of > > > time, Lord Mahakaal give you all the understanding > > > that jyotishis cannot change human fates they can only > > > direct human beings to the right path of life > > > > > > rishi > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Isnot astrology a method to understand a person, a saint as well as a householder? , "crystal pages" <rrgb wrote: > > Dear Rishi, > > To be an astrologer is to first admit that one is human. Astrology > is neither to be practiced by saints nor is it for saints! It is for > and by the householder. For a few hundred years it might have gotten > highjacked by certain groups who sat on the information and > pretended as if they owned it, but truth like the essence of chameli > growing in the wild breaks through. > > Today you see people of all religions, all (artificial) castes, all > walks of life embracing the truth, their personal chosen truth, be > it science, be it astrology. No one is perfect and no one has the > sole rights over the truth, but all have the rights over FREEDOM, > and that is what evolution is about, puritanical views about yugas, > grossly misunderstood in false pretences and so on, notwithstanding!! > > RR > > > , "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > The mistakes are mine, the experiences are mine,we share mistakes, > > we admit mistakes, we share experiences. > > And in all this we learn that there are no shortcuts in life, > either > > astrological or otherwise. There are no magical potions or > remedies, > > there are no religious rituals which can change karma overnight. > > I do not claim to be an astrologer,therefore I cannnot tell others > > that perform a mantra and get rid of your karma. I have to go > > through it. > > Rishi > > > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Rishi, > > > > > > If I may pick a point in what you wrote -- I sincerely do not > > > believe there are any karmic mistakes! > > > There are karmic experiences. > > > > > > When an innocent infant falls down and hurts and cries -- did it > > > make a mistake? No, it went through a karmic experience! It > > received > > > an opportunity to experience 'reality' and the consequences of > > > defying gravity, unprepared! Not that that was its attention -- > it > > > just wanted to get to the cookies perhaps or just the shiny red > > > object! > > > > > > The infant soon learns that there are consequences and this > > learning > > > comes from several experiences of a similar kind. There are no > > > karmic mistakes because the experience is worth the opportunity > to > > > fail! One gets to go over the curriculum more deliberately, with > > > responsibility the second time (some take 3 to 4 tumbles before > > they > > > figure it out ;-) > > > > > > Also there is the possibility that sometimes there are > > > just 'accidents' and not everytime a karmic lesson or karmic > > > mistake! This janitor has seen many "accidents"! > > > > > > Perhaps it is just semantics, perhaps it is just the scenic > route > > > and there is another more rigorous, but shorter and unknown way. > > The > > > brave may proceed, the cautious may follow the scenic route. > There > > > are no rewards for reaching early in the Soul's reality, they > tell > > > me! For, early/late/time itself does not exist there! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > , rishi shukla > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Krishnanji, Srinivasji > > > > There are innumerable Jyotishis in here and outside > > > > the net, there are many querists seeking help from > > > > them to alleviate their sufferings. > > > > The sufferings of a person originate from karmik > > > > mistakes, whether of this life or of any other. The > > > > solutions therefore cannot be short term and magical, > > > > they have to be long term. > > > > The jyotishi or the astrologer who has a clear > > > > conscience at times is able to work some sort of > > > > 'magic' to help out a person in acute distress but > > > > that is not the case everytime. > > > > If such effective remedial measures could work wonders > > > > everytime one wouldnt see anyone in this net based > > > > forums, for we all know that beyond this net, there > > > > are thousands of good astrologers spread all over > > > > India and outside India. > > > > Now when we talk of 'balmy talk' or solace, thats what > > > > is being done in most of the cases, whether we provide > > > > a gemstone or a mantra or anyother upaya, we are > > > > strengthening the resolve of the querists to face > > > > his/her problems. So let us accept our limitations , > > > > we are ordinary human beings not superhuman who are > > > > with a dose of proper jyotish remedy changing the fate > > > > of a querist. > > > > These jyotish forums here are meant more to understand > > > > jyotish, they are not meant to solicit professional > > > > astrologers and their business, they can perhaps their > > > > host their own sites and conduct business. These > > > > forums are more for understanding the basis, the > > > > philsphy of jyotish etc. > > > > > > > > This is a vital issue which is being broached. Members > > > > ..do we need professional astrologers soliciting > > > > business here or using this forum to generate their > > > > business....I quote this from this message: > > > > ''so a kind request to the fellow seekers is > > > > > that they should understand the financial needs of > > > > > the jyotishis and donot comeback with serial > > > > queries'' > > > > > > > > regards to all of you...and may the great Lord of > > > > time, Lord Mahakaal give you all the understanding > > > > that jyotishis cannot change human fates they can only > > > > direct human beings to the right path of life > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 You recently saw what happens to saints when they get discussed by astrologers -- right here :-) RR , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Isnot astrology a method to understand a person, a saint as well as > a householder? > > > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Rishi, > > > > To be an astrologer is to first admit that one is human. Astrology > > is neither to be practiced by saints nor is it for saints! It is > for > > and by the householder. For a few hundred years it might have > gotten > > highjacked by certain groups who sat on the information and > > pretended as if they owned it, but truth like the essence of > chameli > > growing in the wild breaks through. > > > > Today you see people of all religions, all (artificial) castes, > all > > walks of life embracing the truth, their personal chosen truth, be > > it science, be it astrology. No one is perfect and no one has the > > sole rights over the truth, but all have the rights over FREEDOM, > > and that is what evolution is about, puritanical views about > yugas, > > grossly misunderstood in false pretences and so on, > notwithstanding!! > > > > RR > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > The mistakes are mine, the experiences are mine,we share > mistakes, > > > we admit mistakes, we share experiences. > > > And in all this we learn that there are no shortcuts in life, > > either > > > astrological or otherwise. There are no magical potions or > > remedies, > > > there are no religious rituals which can change karma overnight. > > > I do not claim to be an astrologer,therefore I cannnot tell > others > > > that perform a mantra and get rid of your karma. I have to go > > > through it. > > > Rishi > > > > > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Rishi, > > > > > > > > If I may pick a point in what you wrote -- I sincerely do not > > > > believe there are any karmic mistakes! > > > > There are karmic experiences. > > > > > > > > When an innocent infant falls down and hurts and cries -- did > it > > > > make a mistake? No, it went through a karmic experience! It > > > received > > > > an opportunity to experience 'reality' and the consequences of > > > > defying gravity, unprepared! Not that that was its attention -- > > > it > > > > just wanted to get to the cookies perhaps or just the shiny > red > > > > object! > > > > > > > > The infant soon learns that there are consequences and this > > > learning > > > > comes from several experiences of a similar kind. There are no > > > > karmic mistakes because the experience is worth the > opportunity > > to > > > > fail! One gets to go over the curriculum more deliberately, > with > > > > responsibility the second time (some take 3 to 4 tumbles > before > > > they > > > > figure it out ;-) > > > > > > > > Also there is the possibility that sometimes there are > > > > just 'accidents' and not everytime a karmic lesson or karmic > > > > mistake! This janitor has seen many "accidents"! > > > > > > > > Perhaps it is just semantics, perhaps it is just the scenic > > route > > > > and there is another more rigorous, but shorter and unknown > way. > > > The > > > > brave may proceed, the cautious may follow the scenic route. > > There > > > > are no rewards for reaching early in the Soul's reality, they > > tell > > > > me! For, early/late/time itself does not exist there! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , rishi shukla > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Krishnanji, Srinivasji > > > > > There are innumerable Jyotishis in here and outside > > > > > the net, there are many querists seeking help from > > > > > them to alleviate their sufferings. > > > > > The sufferings of a person originate from karmik > > > > > mistakes, whether of this life or of any other. The > > > > > solutions therefore cannot be short term and magical, > > > > > they have to be long term. > > > > > The jyotishi or the astrologer who has a clear > > > > > conscience at times is able to work some sort of > > > > > 'magic' to help out a person in acute distress but > > > > > that is not the case everytime. > > > > > If such effective remedial measures could work wonders > > > > > everytime one wouldnt see anyone in this net based > > > > > forums, for we all know that beyond this net, there > > > > > are thousands of good astrologers spread all over > > > > > India and outside India. > > > > > Now when we talk of 'balmy talk' or solace, thats what > > > > > is being done in most of the cases, whether we provide > > > > > a gemstone or a mantra or anyother upaya, we are > > > > > strengthening the resolve of the querists to face > > > > > his/her problems. So let us accept our limitations , > > > > > we are ordinary human beings not superhuman who are > > > > > with a dose of proper jyotish remedy changing the fate > > > > > of a querist. > > > > > These jyotish forums here are meant more to understand > > > > > jyotish, they are not meant to solicit professional > > > > > astrologers and their business, they can perhaps their > > > > > host their own sites and conduct business. These > > > > > forums are more for understanding the basis, the > > > > > philsphy of jyotish etc. > > > > > > > > > > This is a vital issue which is being broached. Members > > > > > ..do we need professional astrologers soliciting > > > > > business here or using this forum to generate their > > > > > business....I quote this from this message: > > > > > ''so a kind request to the fellow seekers is > > > > > > that they should understand the financial needs of > > > > > > the jyotishis and donot comeback with serial > > > > > queries'' > > > > > > > > > > regards to all of you...and may the great Lord of > > > > > time, Lord Mahakaal give you all the understanding > > > > > that jyotishis cannot change human fates they can only > > > > > direct human beings to the right path of life > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 To err is human, to forgive divine!! , "crystal pages" <rrgb wrote: > > You recently saw what happens to saints when they get discussed by > astrologers -- right here :-) > > RR > > , "rishi_2000in" > rishi_2000in@ wrote: > > > > Isnot astrology a method to understand a person, a saint as well > as > > a householder? > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rishi, > > > > > > To be an astrologer is to first admit that one is human. > Astrology > > > is neither to be practiced by saints nor is it for saints! It is > > for > > > and by the householder. For a few hundred years it might have > > gotten > > > highjacked by certain groups who sat on the information and > > > pretended as if they owned it, but truth like the essence of > > chameli > > > growing in the wild breaks through. > > > > > > Today you see people of all religions, all (artificial) castes, > > all > > > walks of life embracing the truth, their personal chosen truth, > be > > > it science, be it astrology. No one is perfect and no one has > the > > > sole rights over the truth, but all have the rights over > FREEDOM, > > > and that is what evolution is about, puritanical views about > > yugas, > > > grossly misunderstood in false pretences and so on, > > notwithstanding!! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The mistakes are mine, the experiences are mine,we share > > mistakes, > > > > we admit mistakes, we share experiences. > > > > And in all this we learn that there are no shortcuts in life, > > > either > > > > astrological or otherwise. There are no magical potions or > > > remedies, > > > > there are no religious rituals which can change karma > overnight. > > > > I do not claim to be an astrologer,therefore I cannnot tell > > others > > > > that perform a mantra and get rid of your karma. I have to go > > > > through it. > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > <rrgb@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Rishi, > > > > > > > > > > If I may pick a point in what you wrote -- I sincerely do > not > > > > > believe there are any karmic mistakes! > > > > > There are karmic experiences. > > > > > > > > > > When an innocent infant falls down and hurts and cries -- > did > > it > > > > > make a mistake? No, it went through a karmic experience! It > > > > received > > > > > an opportunity to experience 'reality' and the consequences > of > > > > > defying gravity, unprepared! Not that that was its > attention -- > > > > > it > > > > > just wanted to get to the cookies perhaps or just the shiny > > red > > > > > object! > > > > > > > > > > The infant soon learns that there are consequences and this > > > > learning > > > > > comes from several experiences of a similar kind. There are > no > > > > > karmic mistakes because the experience is worth the > > opportunity > > > to > > > > > fail! One gets to go over the curriculum more deliberately, > > with > > > > > responsibility the second time (some take 3 to 4 tumbles > > before > > > > they > > > > > figure it out ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Also there is the possibility that sometimes there are > > > > > just 'accidents' and not everytime a karmic lesson or karmic > > > > > mistake! This janitor has seen many "accidents"! > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps it is just semantics, perhaps it is just the scenic > > > route > > > > > and there is another more rigorous, but shorter and unknown > > way. > > > > The > > > > > brave may proceed, the cautious may follow the scenic route. > > > There > > > > > are no rewards for reaching early in the Soul's reality, > they > > > tell > > > > > me! For, early/late/time itself does not exist there! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , rishi shukla > > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishnanji, Srinivasji > > > > > > There are innumerable Jyotishis in here and outside > > > > > > the net, there are many querists seeking help from > > > > > > them to alleviate their sufferings. > > > > > > The sufferings of a person originate from karmik > > > > > > mistakes, whether of this life or of any other. The > > > > > > solutions therefore cannot be short term and magical, > > > > > > they have to be long term. > > > > > > The jyotishi or the astrologer who has a clear > > > > > > conscience at times is able to work some sort of > > > > > > 'magic' to help out a person in acute distress but > > > > > > that is not the case everytime. > > > > > > If such effective remedial measures could work wonders > > > > > > everytime one wouldnt see anyone in this net based > > > > > > forums, for we all know that beyond this net, there > > > > > > are thousands of good astrologers spread all over > > > > > > India and outside India. > > > > > > Now when we talk of 'balmy talk' or solace, thats what > > > > > > is being done in most of the cases, whether we provide > > > > > > a gemstone or a mantra or anyother upaya, we are > > > > > > strengthening the resolve of the querists to face > > > > > > his/her problems. So let us accept our limitations , > > > > > > we are ordinary human beings not superhuman who are > > > > > > with a dose of proper jyotish remedy changing the fate > > > > > > of a querist. > > > > > > These jyotish forums here are meant more to understand > > > > > > jyotish, they are not meant to solicit professional > > > > > > astrologers and their business, they can perhaps their > > > > > > host their own sites and conduct business. These > > > > > > forums are more for understanding the basis, the > > > > > > philsphy of jyotish etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a vital issue which is being broached. Members > > > > > > ..do we need professional astrologers soliciting > > > > > > business here or using this forum to generate their > > > > > > business....I quote this from this message: > > > > > > ''so a kind request to the fellow seekers is > > > > > > > that they should understand the financial needs of > > > > > > > the jyotishis and donot comeback with serial > > > > > > queries'' > > > > > > > > > > > > regards to all of you...and may the great Lord of > > > > > > time, Lord Mahakaal give you all the understanding > > > > > > that jyotishis cannot change human fates they can only > > > > > > direct human beings to the right path of life > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Rishi ji, Life is truely experiential.Good and bad that come out of it are always to his deeds and karma of present or past.whther we judge them as accidents when painful or mistake when we grieve at them hardly matter. with all that caution ,people judge and act with some expectations and rewards.To their utter shock when the experiences become painful,one has to feel negatively with such experiences attributing them as mistake or otherwise as accidents.what ever might the man becomes rich and no doubt he learns.This learning for future is the greattest feature that is to be welcomed.For development and growth positive outlook is essential and no doubt karmic experiences are a great treasure to be cherished krishnan crystal pages <rrgb wrote: Rishi, If I may pick a point in what you wrote -- I sincerely do not believe there are any karmic mistakes! There are karmic experiences. When an innocent infant falls down and hurts and cries -- did it make a mistake? No, it went through a karmic experience! It received an opportunity to experience 'reality' and the consequences of defying gravity, unprepared! Not that that was its attention -- it just wanted to get to the cookies perhaps or just the shiny red object! The infant soon learns that there are consequences and this learning comes from several experiences of a similar kind. There are no karmic mistakes because the experience is worth the opportunity to fail! One gets to go over the curriculum more deliberately, with responsibility the second time (some take 3 to 4 tumbles before they figure it out ;-) Also there is the possibility that sometimes there are just 'accidents' and not everytime a karmic lesson or karmic mistake! This janitor has seen many "accidents"! Perhaps it is just semantics, perhaps it is just the scenic route and there is another more rigorous, but shorter and unknown way. The brave may proceed, the cautious may follow the scenic route. There are no rewards for reaching early in the Soul's reality, they tell me! For, early/late/time itself does not exist there! RR , rishi shukla <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Krishnanji, Srinivasji > There are innumerable Jyotishis in here and outside > the net, there are many querists seeking help from > them to alleviate their sufferings. > The sufferings of a person originate from karmik > mistakes, whether of this life or of any other. The > solutions therefore cannot be short term and magical, > they have to be long term. > The jyotishi or the astrologer who has a clear > conscience at times is able to work some sort of > 'magic' to help out a person in acute distress but > that is not the case everytime. > If such effective remedial measures could work wonders > everytime one wouldnt see anyone in this net based > forums, for we all know that beyond this net, there > are thousands of good astrologers spread all over > India and outside India. > Now when we talk of 'balmy talk' or solace, thats what > is being done in most of the cases, whether we provide > a gemstone or a mantra or anyother upaya, we are > strengthening the resolve of the querists to face > his/her problems. So let us accept our limitations , > we are ordinary human beings not superhuman who are > with a dose of proper jyotish remedy changing the fate > of a querist. > These jyotish forums here are meant more to understand > jyotish, they are not meant to solicit professional > astrologers and their business, they can perhaps their > host their own sites and conduct business. These > forums are more for understanding the basis, the > philsphy of jyotish etc. > > This is a vital issue which is being broached. Members > ..do we need professional astrologers soliciting > business here or using this forum to generate their > business....I quote this from this message: > ''so a kind request to the fellow seekers is > > that they should understand the financial needs of > > the jyotishis and donot comeback with serial > queries'' > > regards to all of you...and may the great Lord of > time, Lord Mahakaal give you all the understanding > that jyotishis cannot change human fates they can only > direct human beings to the right path of life > > rishi > rishi > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "" on the web. Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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