ASTROLOGY OF MORALITY and moral fiber/fibre

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Expectations hurt because they are the supposedv to be the percieved

desired results of any karma..thats why Gita.

 

 

 

, "auromirra19"

<nalini2818 wrote:

>

> Paradoxical. not having what you like and not liking what you

> have,or may be once you have it you no longer like it.Tough, but

> that is life.

> Nalini

> , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@>

> wrote:

> >

> > The problem, Nalini, is not with the map! It is that our

> expectation

> > of the treasure keeps changing and growing.

> >

> > Or maybe most of us are seeking the wrong treasure!

> >

> > , "auromirra19"

> > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > >

> > > RRji,

> > > How we would all love to lay hands on that MAP. We think we

have

> > it

> > > gotcha, but nay it is not the right one, one that leads to the

> > > hidden treasure, so we keep searching for the MAP, get hold of

> > > another map only to know, again it is not the MAP and keep

> digging

> > > on on....

> > > Nalini

> > > , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Thanks Nalini. It means a lot to me.

> > > > I must share, though that:

> > > > There are no teachers and curriculum planners, other than YOU

> > > >

> > > > It is like the treasure that we all know for sure for sure

> lies

> > > out

> > > > there and is ours -- if only we had in our tiny hands the

MAP.

> > > >

> > > > We are all looking, some of us claim from time to time that

> they

> > > > have it, they know it!

> > > >

> > > > They must be really generous and unselfish because they keep

> > > coming

> > > > back to us have-nots instead of digging that treasure for

> > > themselves!

> > > >

> > > > Makes one wonder if they too need help in finding the

> treasure!

> > > Like

> > > > able-souled individuals to do the digging! Might not be a

good

> > > idea

> > > > to turn your back towards them and lose sight of what they

are

> > > > doing! For obvious reasons!! ;-)

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "auromirra19"

> > > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > RRji,

> > > > > Please let not what I wrote deter you at all, accomplished

I

> > am

> > > > not,

> > > > > not by any account but suffered yes if you can call it

> > > suffering,

> > > > I

> > > > > think it is a lesson plan of the various teachers of

life's

> > > school.

> > > > > You know I did sometimes hate school, especially after I

had

> > > > > finished up reading up the text books.

> > > > > RRji, I enjoy reading your posts, they are so full

> > > of 'life' 'Wit'.

> > > > > I would not think that you have nothing of value to

> offer,only

> > > you

> > > > > dont know the value of what you give. I remember and

cherish

> > > every

> > > > > advice and words of wisdom you had for me at all times.I

> dont

> > > read

> > > > > some of what you write, I read all of it.

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Nalini

> > > > > , "rohiniranjan"

> > <rrgb@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nalini,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was not talking about lifeplans made by humans when

they

> > > > > graduate

> > > > > > from school and when they were children (like I wanted

to

> be

> > a

> > > > > pilot

> > > > > > and all I can boast in that area is that despite being

> > > somewhat

> > > > > > acrophobic on open ledges -- I have absolutely no fear

of

> > > flying

> > > > > and

> > > > > > actually have always enjoyed flights -- even the bumpier

> > ones

> > > > > where

> > > > > > your 'neighbours' puke!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am talking about the lifeplan that is hard to prove,

has

> > > been

> > > > > > indicated (if that is any endorsement!) by psychics and

> > saints

> > > > > that

> > > > > > the soul incarnates for a purpose and in specific

> > surroundings

> > > > > (and

> > > > > > then risks going astray -- as we see around us all the

> time

> > > and

> > > > > > sometimes amongst ourselves and even within ourselves!)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Do not underestimate the monkey! Sometimes it manifests

> > > through

> > > > > > other animals (planets) that it holds a sway over!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nalini, if this was a private conversation, I would not

> > write

> > > > > this,

> > > > > > because you are already so accomplished and have

suffered

> > more

> > > > > than

> > > > > > most I know, by your account. So, please do not take

this

> > > > > personally

> > > > > > as if aimed at you or I have anything of any value to

> offer

> > to

> > > > you

> > > > > > (as if I would even dare!) -- I keep on writing because

> > there

> > > > are

> > > > > > others who read some of what I write. Hopefully that is

> not

> > > too

> > > > > > arrogant or egoistical of me?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "auromirra19"

> > > > > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > life-plan(s), did make lots of them and had them blown

> > away

> > > > > pooh!!

> > > > > > > can we blame poor Hermes(already debilitated)or

> > > > > ascendant 'monkeys'

> > > > > > > or arudhas? I am sure we cannot.

> > > > > > > Life has plans for us and not the other way round,

> atleast

> > > for

> > > > > me.

> > > > > > > I am also in total agreement with RRji, you dont have

to

> > act

> > > > or

> > > > > > > think when you are acting morally. because it is not a

> > cloak

> > > > you

> > > > > > > wear it when you like and throw it away when you

choose

> > > > > > to, 'monkeys

> > > > > > > or no monkeys'. It is something so deeply woven into

the

> > > > fabric

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > your life, consciousness that it is a vital part of

you

> an

> > > an

> > > > > > > individual.It is getting off your mighty moral high

> horse,

> > > > > > > tolerating lesser mortals, who are fallible, who make

> > > > mistakes,

> > > > > > > typos,less learned, less articulate... before it

> > > becomes 'too

> > > > > > > soulful' for a jyotish forum,

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Nalini

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , rishi shukla

> > > > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Perhaps, each soul enters in a new role in a human

> > > > > > > > birth with a given set of social, cultural and

ethical

> > > > > > > > consciousness. It then goes through varied

> > > > > > > > experiences, some of them supporting its own set of

> > > > > > > > morality which is emerging from the combination of

its

> > > > > > > > social, cultural and ethical processes. Here, these

> > > > > > > > three terms encompass religion, rituals,

values ...and

> > > > > > > > many more.

> > > > > > > > These experiences or karmas therefore define an

> > > > > > > > individual sense of morality as against an externally

> > > > > > > > set of imposed moral values coming from the

collective

> > > > > > > > group of human beings who share the journey of this

> > > > > > > > soul through the human life.

> > > > > > > > Where will this soul end up...is perhaps a function

of

> > > > > > > > its evolution through time spent in this birth.

> > > > > > > > Humans and monkeys alike then act on their own sense

> > > > > > > > of dharma. We may end up with a different concept of

> > > > > > > > consciousness at the end of this life.

> > > > > > > > In my opinion, morality is as individual as the

person

> > > > > > > > or his/her chart. Its the dharma or the duty; its the

> > > > > > > > karma or the process of this duty; its the phal or

the

> > > > > > > > result of action; its the joy or the fulfillment of

> > > > > > > > kama..desires..and in this trikona of dahrma, karma

> > > > > > > > and kaam........we rarely are able to find the fourth

> > > > > > > > ..is it really the fourth angle..that of moksha.

> > > > > > > > Can we find this fourth dimension at all, is it not a

> > > > > > > > combination of the three dimensions.

> > > > > > > > The spatial linkages of planets in the chart, their

> > > > > > > > internal dymamics and the external ambience which

> > > > > > > > keeps acting with a force which cannot be explained

> > > > > > > > either by philosphy or physics push the native on the

> > > > > > > > road of life.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I agree with RRji that 'You don't have to think and

> > > > > > > > act when you are acting

> > > > > > > > > morally, it

> > > > > > > > > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > > > > > > > > does not, it is

> > > > > > > > > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > > > > > > > > your horoscope is

> > > > > > > > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > > > > > > > > trying to get you

> > > > > > > > > in trouble.'

> > > > > > > > But how do I know what is my life-plan...only

> > > > > > > > questions!!!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > rishi

> > > > > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dearly beloved!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Can a chart be moral? Chart used in a loose sense

> > > > > > > > > here to

> > > > > > > > > mean, "nativity" -- the individual fragment of the

> > > > > > > > > SOUL (that we

> > > > > > > > > *know* precious little about personally other than

> > > > > > > > > clever words

> > > > > > > > > stolen from scriptures and other similar (or not!)

> > > > > > > > > sources!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Toss that question in a jyotish forum and you will

> > > > > > > > > be hit with all

> > > > > > > > > kinds of combinations, arudhas, vargas, and even

> > > > > > > > > accounts of Dashas

> > > > > > > > > that made us moral or otherwise.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have always believed that morality is not a

> > > > > > > > > constant, and yet it

> > > > > > > > > does define our 'boundaries' of behaviour and

> > > > > > > > > actions. And it is

> > > > > > > > > learned early on in most cases, through personal

> > > > > > > > > experiences but

> > > > > > > > > mostly the models we identified with, adored and

> > > > > > > > > internalized. Now

> > > > > > > > > this should not be taken inflexibly. Criminals have

> > > > > > > > > turned into

> > > > > > > > > saints and have certainly given birth to saints.

> > > > > > > > > Sadly, saints or

> > > > > > > > > saintly humans have also given birth to rogues and

> > > > > > > > > without mincing

> > > > > > > > > words - dregs of humanity! I am sure each of you

> > > > > > > > > knows a few

> > > > > > > > > examples of either case, through personal

experience

> > > > > > > > > or accounts

> > > > > > > > > that are reliable. If not, it is time to come out

of

> > > > > > > > > your cave or

> > > > > > > > > down from your mountaintop and see how the

remaining

> > > > > > > > > 7 billion live

> > > > > > > > > and experience reality! This is a request and not

an

> > > > > > > > > imposition,

> > > > > > > > > expectation or directive ;-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You don't have to think and act when you are acting

> > > > > > > > > morally, it

> > > > > > > > > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > > > > > > > > does not, it is

> > > > > > > > > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > > > > > > > > your horoscope is

> > > > > > > > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > > > > > > > > trying to get you

> > > > > > > > > in trouble. Some monkey of a planet that is good

> > > > > > > > > with words and

> > > > > > > > > seductive like you would not believe it! And poor

> > > > > > > > > venus gets all the

> > > > > > > > > bad press, and so do mars and nodes in certain

> > > > > > > > > circles!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When so called "rational logic" and "clever words"

> > > > > > > > > entice your soul -

> > > > > > > > > - examine Hermes, the messenger in various layers

> > > > > > > > > (not just vargas!)

> > > > > > > > > of your human experience. Perhaps a pattern shall

> > > > > > > > > appear. Persevere

> > > > > > > > > since the 'monkey' can be tricky. And yet, it is

the

> > > > > > > > > sole

> > > > > > > > > connection, sole messenger - Hermes! Monkeys have

> > > > > > > > > been known to be

> > > > > > > > > tamable and have been domesticated. Look at humans!

> > > > > > > > > I rest my case!!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RR

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[Guest guest]

Rishi ji,

They are mine. Remember the poll, well I took the options.

and I enjoy talking to you all.

Nalini

, "rishi_2000in"

<rishi_2000in wrote:

>

> Let me put the things in right perspective...

>

> RRji: ''I keep on writing because there are others who read

> some of what I write. Hopefully that is not too arrogant or

> egoistical of me?''

>

> [] you mean you dont share the online persona perception

> that

> RRji

> is arrogant!!

>

> rishi

>

> naliniji: No I would not, that

> is

> agree that he is arrogant. assertive, vociferous,aggressive ....

>

> The question here, naliniji, is where did all the other adjectives

> come from...!!

>

> just teasing

> rishi

>

>

>

> , "auromirra19"

> <nalini2818@> wrote:

> >

> > Vituperative, God No, they are compliments, to me they are

> > positives. I meant as in adjectives- good ones.

> >

> > Nalini

> > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Good Lord -- Nalini! Rishiji just asked if I was arrogant!

Where

> > did

> > > all these other vituperative adjectives emerge from? ;-)

> > >

> > >

>

[Guest guest]

Rishiji,

Expectations fuel frustrations, which result in festering wounds and

not properly cared for may not heal.Gita is the perfect answer, but

very difficult to practice, I always try to walk along , stray, get

hit, and then come back, then go right back. In an aside, guess I

have a penchant for suffering, lessons.

Nalini

, "rishi_2000in"

<rishi_2000in wrote:

>

> Expectations hurt because they are the supposedv to be the

percieved

> desired results of any karma..thats why Gita.

>

>

>

> , "auromirra19"

> <nalini2818@> wrote:

> >

> > Paradoxical. not having what you like and not liking what you

> > have,or may be once you have it you no longer like it.Tough, but

> > that is life.

> > Nalini

> > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > The problem, Nalini, is not with the map! It is that our

> > expectation

> > > of the treasure keeps changing and growing.

> > >

> > > Or maybe most of us are seeking the wrong treasure!

> > >

> > > , "auromirra19"

> > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > RRji,

> > > > How we would all love to lay hands on that MAP. We think we

> have

> > > it

> > > > gotcha, but nay it is not the right one, one that leads to

the

> > > > hidden treasure, so we keep searching for the MAP, get hold

of

> > > > another map only to know, again it is not the MAP and keep

> > digging

> > > > on on....

> > > > Nalini

> > > > , "rohiniranjan"

> <rrgb@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks Nalini. It means a lot to me.

> > > > > I must share, though that:

> > > > > There are no teachers and curriculum planners, other than

YOU

> > > > >

> > > > > It is like the treasure that we all know for sure for sure

> > lies

> > > > out

> > > > > there and is ours -- if only we had in our tiny hands the

> MAP.

> > > > >

> > > > > We are all looking, some of us claim from time to time

that

> > they

> > > > > have it, they know it!

> > > > >

> > > > > They must be really generous and unselfish because they

keep

> > > > coming

> > > > > back to us have-nots instead of digging that treasure for

> > > > themselves!

> > > > >

> > > > > Makes one wonder if they too need help in finding the

> > treasure!

> > > > Like

> > > > > able-souled individuals to do the digging! Might not be a

> good

> > > > idea

> > > > > to turn your back towards them and lose sight of what they

> are

> > > > > doing! For obvious reasons!! ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , "auromirra19"

> > > > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RRji,

> > > > > > Please let not what I wrote deter you at all,

accomplished

> I

> > > am

> > > > > not,

> > > > > > not by any account but suffered yes if you can call it

> > > > suffering,

> > > > > I

> > > > > > think it is a lesson plan of the various teachers of

> life's

> > > > school.

> > > > > > You know I did sometimes hate school, especially after I

> had

> > > > > > finished up reading up the text books.

> > > > > > RRji, I enjoy reading your posts, they are so full

> > > > of 'life' 'Wit'.

> > > > > > I would not think that you have nothing of value to

> > offer,only

> > > > you

> > > > > > dont know the value of what you give. I remember and

> cherish

> > > > every

> > > > > > advice and words of wisdom you had for me at all times.I

> > dont

> > > > read

> > > > > > some of what you write, I read all of it.

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Nalini

> > > > > > , "rohiniranjan"

> > > <rrgb@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nalini,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I was not talking about lifeplans made by humans when

> they

> > > > > > graduate

> > > > > > > from school and when they were children (like I wanted

> to

> > be

> > > a

> > > > > > pilot

> > > > > > > and all I can boast in that area is that despite being

> > > > somewhat

> > > > > > > acrophobic on open ledges -- I have absolutely no fear

> of

> > > > flying

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > actually have always enjoyed flights -- even the

bumpier

> > > ones

> > > > > > where

> > > > > > > your 'neighbours' puke!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am talking about the lifeplan that is hard to prove,

> has

> > > > been

> > > > > > > indicated (if that is any endorsement!) by psychics

and

> > > saints

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > the soul incarnates for a purpose and in specific

> > > surroundings

> > > > > > (and

> > > > > > > then risks going astray -- as we see around us all the

> > time

> > > > and

> > > > > > > sometimes amongst ourselves and even within ourselves!)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Do not underestimate the monkey! Sometimes it

manifests

> > > > through

> > > > > > > other animals (planets) that it holds a sway over!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nalini, if this was a private conversation, I would

not

> > > write

> > > > > > this,

> > > > > > > because you are already so accomplished and have

> suffered

> > > more

> > > > > > than

> > > > > > > most I know, by your account. So, please do not take

> this

> > > > > > personally

> > > > > > > as if aimed at you or I have anything of any value to

> > offer

> > > to

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > (as if I would even dare!) -- I keep on writing

because

> > > there

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > others who read some of what I write. Hopefully that

is

> > not

> > > > too

> > > > > > > arrogant or egoistical of me?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , "auromirra19"

> > > > > > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > life-plan(s), did make lots of them and had them

blown

> > > away

> > > > > > pooh!!

> > > > > > > > can we blame poor Hermes(already debilitated)or

> > > > > > ascendant 'monkeys'

> > > > > > > > or arudhas? I am sure we cannot.

> > > > > > > > Life has plans for us and not the other way round,

> > atleast

> > > > for

> > > > > > me.

> > > > > > > > I am also in total agreement with RRji, you dont

have

> to

> > > act

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > think when you are acting morally. because it is not

a

> > > cloak

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > wear it when you like and throw it away when you

> choose

> > > > > > > to, 'monkeys

> > > > > > > > or no monkeys'. It is something so deeply woven into

> the

> > > > > fabric

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > your life, consciousness that it is a vital part of

> you

> > an

> > > > an

> > > > > > > > individual.It is getting off your mighty moral high

> > horse,

> > > > > > > > tolerating lesser mortals, who are fallible, who

make

> > > > > mistakes,

> > > > > > > > typos,less learned, less articulate... before it

> > > > becomes 'too

> > > > > > > > soulful' for a jyotish forum,

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Nalini

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , rishi

shukla

> > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Perhaps, each soul enters in a new role in a human

> > > > > > > > > birth with a given set of social, cultural and

> ethical

> > > > > > > > > consciousness. It then goes through varied

> > > > > > > > > experiences, some of them supporting its own set of

> > > > > > > > > morality which is emerging from the combination of

> its

> > > > > > > > > social, cultural and ethical processes. Here, these

> > > > > > > > > three terms encompass religion, rituals,

> values ...and

> > > > > > > > > many more.

> > > > > > > > > These experiences or karmas therefore define an

> > > > > > > > > individual sense of morality as against an

externally

> > > > > > > > > set of imposed moral values coming from the

> collective

> > > > > > > > > group of human beings who share the journey of

this

> > > > > > > > > soul through the human life.

> > > > > > > > > Where will this soul end up...is perhaps a

function

> of

> > > > > > > > > its evolution through time spent in this birth.

> > > > > > > > > Humans and monkeys alike then act on their own

sense

> > > > > > > > > of dharma. We may end up with a different concept

of

> > > > > > > > > consciousness at the end of this life.

> > > > > > > > > In my opinion, morality is as individual as the

> person

> > > > > > > > > or his/her chart. Its the dharma or the duty; its

the

> > > > > > > > > karma or the process of this duty; its the phal or

> the

> > > > > > > > > result of action; its the joy or the fulfillment of

> > > > > > > > > kama..desires..and in this trikona of dahrma, karma

> > > > > > > > > and kaam........we rarely are able to find the

fourth

> > > > > > > > > ..is it really the fourth angle..that of moksha.

> > > > > > > > > Can we find this fourth dimension at all, is it

not a

> > > > > > > > > combination of the three dimensions.

> > > > > > > > > The spatial linkages of planets in the chart, their

> > > > > > > > > internal dymamics and the external ambience which

> > > > > > > > > keeps acting with a force which cannot be explained

> > > > > > > > > either by philosphy or physics push the native on

the

> > > > > > > > > road of life.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I agree with RRji that 'You don't have to think and

> > > > > > > > > act when you are acting

> > > > > > > > > > morally, it

> > > > > > > > > > comes out naturally and with all your being. If

it

> > > > > > > > > > does not, it is

> > > > > > > > > > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > > > > > > > > > your horoscope is

> > > > > > > > > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > > > > > > > > > trying to get you

> > > > > > > > > > in trouble.'

> > > > > > > > > But how do I know what is my life-plan...only

> > > > > > > > > questions!!!!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > rishi

> > > > > > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dearly beloved!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Can a chart be moral? Chart used in a loose sense

> > > > > > > > > > here to

> > > > > > > > > > mean, "nativity" -- the individual fragment of

the

> > > > > > > > > > SOUL (that we

> > > > > > > > > > *know* precious little about personally other

than

> > > > > > > > > > clever words

> > > > > > > > > > stolen from scriptures and other similar (or

not!)

> > > > > > > > > > sources!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Toss that question in a jyotish forum and you

will

> > > > > > > > > > be hit with all

> > > > > > > > > > kinds of combinations, arudhas, vargas, and even

> > > > > > > > > > accounts of Dashas

> > > > > > > > > > that made us moral or otherwise.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I have always believed that morality is not a

> > > > > > > > > > constant, and yet it

> > > > > > > > > > does define our 'boundaries' of behaviour and

> > > > > > > > > > actions. And it is

> > > > > > > > > > learned early on in most cases, through personal

> > > > > > > > > > experiences but

> > > > > > > > > > mostly the models we identified with, adored and

> > > > > > > > > > internalized. Now

> > > > > > > > > > this should not be taken inflexibly. Criminals

have

> > > > > > > > > > turned into

> > > > > > > > > > saints and have certainly given birth to saints.

> > > > > > > > > > Sadly, saints or

> > > > > > > > > > saintly humans have also given birth to rogues

and

> > > > > > > > > > without mincing

> > > > > > > > > > words - dregs of humanity! I am sure each of you

> > > > > > > > > > knows a few

> > > > > > > > > > examples of either case, through personal

> experience

> > > > > > > > > > or accounts

> > > > > > > > > > that are reliable. If not, it is time to come

out

> of

> > > > > > > > > > your cave or

> > > > > > > > > > down from your mountaintop and see how the

> remaining

> > > > > > > > > > 7 billion live

> > > > > > > > > > and experience reality! This is a request and

not

> an

> > > > > > > > > > imposition,

> > > > > > > > > > expectation or directive ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You don't have to think and act when you are

acting

> > > > > > > > > > morally, it

> > > > > > > > > > comes out naturally and with all your being. If

it

> > > > > > > > > > does not, it is

> > > > > > > > > > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > > > > > > > > > your horoscope is

> > > > > > > > > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > > > > > > > > > trying to get you

> > > > > > > > > > in trouble. Some monkey of a planet that is good

> > > > > > > > > > with words and

> > > > > > > > > > seductive like you would not believe it! And poor

> > > > > > > > > > venus gets all the

> > > > > > > > > > bad press, and so do mars and nodes in certain

> > > > > > > > > > circles!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When so called "rational logic" and "clever

words"

> > > > > > > > > > entice your soul -

> > > > > > > > > > - examine Hermes, the messenger in various layers

> > > > > > > > > > (not just vargas!)

> > > > > > > > > > of your human experience. Perhaps a pattern shall

> > > > > > > > > > appear. Persevere

> > > > > > > > > > since the 'monkey' can be tricky. And yet, it is

> the

> > > > > > > > > > sole

> > > > > > > > > > connection, sole messenger - Hermes! Monkeys have

> > > > > > > > > > been known to be

> > > > > > > > > > tamable and have been domesticated. Look at

humans!

> > > > > > > > > > I rest my case!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam

> > protection

> > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Naliniji,

I had posted a few thoughts of Mother Teresa on this forum on the

new year...too difficult to follow as is life but reading them is a

pleasure too.

regards

 

rishi

 

 

, "auromirra19"

<nalini2818 wrote:

>

> Rishiji,

> Expectations fuel frustrations, which result in festering wounds

and

> not properly cared for may not heal.Gita is the perfect answer,

but

> very difficult to practice, I always try to walk along , stray,

get

> hit, and then come back, then go right back. In an aside, guess I

> have a penchant for suffering, lessons.

> Nalini

> , "rishi_2000in"

> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> >

> > Expectations hurt because they are the supposedv to be the

> percieved

> > desired results of any karma..thats why Gita.

> >

> >

> >

> > , "auromirra19"

> > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Paradoxical. not having what you like and not liking what you

> > > have,or may be once you have it you no longer like it.Tough,

but

> > > that is life.

> > > Nalini

> > > , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > The problem, Nalini, is not with the map! It is that our

> > > expectation

> > > > of the treasure keeps changing and growing.

> > > >

> > > > Or maybe most of us are seeking the wrong treasure!

> > > >

> > > > , "auromirra19"

> > > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > RRji,

> > > > > How we would all love to lay hands on that MAP. We think

we

> > have

> > > > it

> > > > > gotcha, but nay it is not the right one, one that leads to

> the

> > > > > hidden treasure, so we keep searching for the MAP, get

hold

> of

> > > > > another map only to know, again it is not the MAP and keep

> > > digging

> > > > > on on....

> > > > > Nalini

> > > > > , "rohiniranjan"

> > <rrgb@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks Nalini. It means a lot to me.

> > > > > > I must share, though that:

> > > > > > There are no teachers and curriculum planners, other

than

> YOU

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is like the treasure that we all know for sure for

sure

> > > lies

> > > > > out

> > > > > > there and is ours -- if only we had in our tiny hands

the

> > MAP.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We are all looking, some of us claim from time to time

> that

> > > they

> > > > > > have it, they know it!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > They must be really generous and unselfish because they

> keep

> > > > > coming

> > > > > > back to us have-nots instead of digging that treasure

for

> > > > > themselves!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Makes one wonder if they too need help in finding the

> > > treasure!

> > > > > Like

> > > > > > able-souled individuals to do the digging! Might not be

a

> > good

> > > > > idea

> > > > > > to turn your back towards them and lose sight of what

they

> > are

> > > > > > doing! For obvious reasons!! ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "auromirra19"

> > > > > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RRji,

> > > > > > > Please let not what I wrote deter you at all,

> accomplished

> > I

> > > > am

> > > > > > not,

> > > > > > > not by any account but suffered yes if you can call it

> > > > > suffering,

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > think it is a lesson plan of the various teachers of

> > life's

> > > > > school.

> > > > > > > You know I did sometimes hate school, especially after

I

> > had

> > > > > > > finished up reading up the text books.

> > > > > > > RRji, I enjoy reading your posts, they are so full

> > > > > of 'life' 'Wit'.

> > > > > > > I would not think that you have nothing of value to

> > > offer,only

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > dont know the value of what you give. I remember and

> > cherish

> > > > > every

> > > > > > > advice and words of wisdom you had for me at all

times.I

> > > dont

> > > > > read

> > > > > > > some of what you write, I read all of it.

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Nalini

> > > > > > > --- In

, "rohiniranjan"

> > > > <rrgb@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nalini,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I was not talking about lifeplans made by humans

when

> > they

> > > > > > > graduate

> > > > > > > > from school and when they were children (like I

wanted

> > to

> > > be

> > > > a

> > > > > > > pilot

> > > > > > > > and all I can boast in that area is that despite

being

> > > > > somewhat

> > > > > > > > acrophobic on open ledges -- I have absolutely no

fear

> > of

> > > > > flying

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > actually have always enjoyed flights -- even the

> bumpier

> > > > ones

> > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > your 'neighbours' puke!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am talking about the lifeplan that is hard to

prove,

> > has

> > > > > been

> > > > > > > > indicated (if that is any endorsement!) by psychics

> and

> > > > saints

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > the soul incarnates for a purpose and in specific

> > > > surroundings

> > > > > > > (and

> > > > > > > > then risks going astray -- as we see around us all

the

> > > time

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > sometimes amongst ourselves and even within

ourselves!)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Do not underestimate the monkey! Sometimes it

> manifests

> > > > > through

> > > > > > > > other animals (planets) that it holds a sway over!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nalini, if this was a private conversation, I would

> not

> > > > write

> > > > > > > this,

> > > > > > > > because you are already so accomplished and have

> > suffered

> > > > more

> > > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > most I know, by your account. So, please do not take

> > this

> > > > > > > personally

> > > > > > > > as if aimed at you or I have anything of any value

to

> > > offer

> > > > to

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > (as if I would even dare!) -- I keep on writing

> because

> > > > there

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > others who read some of what I write. Hopefully that

> is

> > > not

> > > > > too

> > > > > > > > arrogant or egoistical of me?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

, "auromirra19"

> > > > > > > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > life-plan(s), did make lots of them and had them

> blown

> > > > away

> > > > > > > pooh!!

> > > > > > > > > can we blame poor Hermes(already debilitated)or

> > > > > > > ascendant 'monkeys'

> > > > > > > > > or arudhas? I am sure we cannot.

> > > > > > > > > Life has plans for us and not the other way round,

> > > atleast

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > me.

> > > > > > > > > I am also in total agreement with RRji, you dont

> have

> > to

> > > > act

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > think when you are acting morally. because it is

not

> a

> > > > cloak

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > wear it when you like and throw it away when you

> > choose

> > > > > > > > to, 'monkeys

> > > > > > > > > or no monkeys'. It is something so deeply woven

into

> > the

> > > > > > fabric

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > your life, consciousness that it is a vital part

of

> > you

> > > an

> > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > individual.It is getting off your mighty moral

high

> > > horse,

> > > > > > > > > tolerating lesser mortals, who are fallible, who

> make

> > > > > > mistakes,

> > > > > > > > > typos,less learned, less articulate... before it

> > > > > becomes 'too

> > > > > > > > > soulful' for a jyotish forum,

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > Nalini

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , rishi

> shukla

> > > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Perhaps, each soul enters in a new role in a

human

> > > > > > > > > > birth with a given set of social, cultural and

> > ethical

> > > > > > > > > > consciousness. It then goes through varied

> > > > > > > > > > experiences, some of them supporting its own set

of

> > > > > > > > > > morality which is emerging from the combination

of

> > its

> > > > > > > > > > social, cultural and ethical processes. Here,

these

> > > > > > > > > > three terms encompass religion, rituals,

> > values ...and

> > > > > > > > > > many more.

> > > > > > > > > > These experiences or karmas therefore define an

> > > > > > > > > > individual sense of morality as against an

> externally

> > > > > > > > > > set of imposed moral values coming from the

> > collective

> > > > > > > > > > group of human beings who share the journey of

> this

> > > > > > > > > > soul through the human life.

> > > > > > > > > > Where will this soul end up...is perhaps a

> function

> > of

> > > > > > > > > > its evolution through time spent in this birth.

> > > > > > > > > > Humans and monkeys alike then act on their own

> sense

> > > > > > > > > > of dharma. We may end up with a different

concept

> of

> > > > > > > > > > consciousness at the end of this life.

> > > > > > > > > > In my opinion, morality is as individual as the

> > person

> > > > > > > > > > or his/her chart. Its the dharma or the duty;

its

> the

> > > > > > > > > > karma or the process of this duty; its the phal

or

> > the

> > > > > > > > > > result of action; its the joy or the fulfillment

of

> > > > > > > > > > kama..desires..and in this trikona of dahrma,

karma

> > > > > > > > > > and kaam........we rarely are able to find the

> fourth

> > > > > > > > > > ..is it really the fourth angle..that of moksha.

> > > > > > > > > > Can we find this fourth dimension at all, is it

> not a

> > > > > > > > > > combination of the three dimensions.

> > > > > > > > > > The spatial linkages of planets in the chart,

their

> > > > > > > > > > internal dymamics and the external ambience which

> > > > > > > > > > keeps acting with a force which cannot be

explained

> > > > > > > > > > either by philosphy or physics push the native

on

> the

> > > > > > > > > > road of life.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I agree with RRji that 'You don't have to think

and

> > > > > > > > > > act when you are acting

> > > > > > > > > > > morally, it

> > > > > > > > > > > comes out naturally and with all your being.

If

> it

> > > > > > > > > > > does not, it is

> > > > > > > > > > > another clever trick that some planet or house

in

> > > > > > > > > > > your horoscope is

> > > > > > > > > > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan

and

> > > > > > > > > > > trying to get you

> > > > > > > > > > > in trouble.'

> > > > > > > > > > But how do I know what is my life-plan...only

> > > > > > > > > > questions!!!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > rishi

> > > > > > > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dearly beloved!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Can a chart be moral? Chart used in a loose

sense

> > > > > > > > > > > here to

> > > > > > > > > > > mean, "nativity" -- the individual fragment of

> the

> > > > > > > > > > > SOUL (that we

> > > > > > > > > > > *know* precious little about personally other

> than

> > > > > > > > > > > clever words

> > > > > > > > > > > stolen from scriptures and other similar (or

> not!)

> > > > > > > > > > > sources!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Toss that question in a jyotish forum and you

> will

> > > > > > > > > > > be hit with all

> > > > > > > > > > > kinds of combinations, arudhas, vargas, and

even

> > > > > > > > > > > accounts of Dashas

> > > > > > > > > > > that made us moral or otherwise.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I have always believed that morality is not a

> > > > > > > > > > > constant, and yet it

> > > > > > > > > > > does define our 'boundaries' of behaviour and

> > > > > > > > > > > actions. And it is

> > > > > > > > > > > learned early on in most cases, through

personal

> > > > > > > > > > > experiences but

> > > > > > > > > > > mostly the models we identified with, adored

and

> > > > > > > > > > > internalized. Now

> > > > > > > > > > > this should not be taken inflexibly. Criminals

> have

> > > > > > > > > > > turned into

> > > > > > > > > > > saints and have certainly given birth to

saints.

> > > > > > > > > > > Sadly, saints or

> > > > > > > > > > > saintly humans have also given birth to rogues

> and

> > > > > > > > > > > without mincing

> > > > > > > > > > > words - dregs of humanity! I am sure each of

you

> > > > > > > > > > > knows a few

> > > > > > > > > > > examples of either case, through personal

> > experience

> > > > > > > > > > > or accounts

> > > > > > > > > > > that are reliable. If not, it is time to come

> out

> > of

> > > > > > > > > > > your cave or

> > > > > > > > > > > down from your mountaintop and see how the

> > remaining

> > > > > > > > > > > 7 billion live

> > > > > > > > > > > and experience reality! This is a request and

> not

> > an

> > > > > > > > > > > imposition,

> > > > > > > > > > > expectation or directive ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You don't have to think and act when you are

> acting

> > > > > > > > > > > morally, it

> > > > > > > > > > > comes out naturally and with all your being.

If

> it

> > > > > > > > > > > does not, it is

> > > > > > > > > > > another clever trick that some planet or house

in

> > > > > > > > > > > your horoscope is

> > > > > > > > > > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan

and

> > > > > > > > > > > trying to get you

> > > > > > > > > > > in trouble. Some monkey of a planet that is

good

> > > > > > > > > > > with words and

> > > > > > > > > > > seductive like you would not believe it! And

poor

> > > > > > > > > > > venus gets all the

> > > > > > > > > > > bad press, and so do mars and nodes in certain

> > > > > > > > > > > circles!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When so called "rational logic" and "clever

> words"

> > > > > > > > > > > entice your soul -

> > > > > > > > > > > - examine Hermes, the messenger in various

layers

> > > > > > > > > > > (not just vargas!)

> > > > > > > > > > > of your human experience. Perhaps a pattern

shall

> > > > > > > > > > > appear. Persevere

> > > > > > > > > > > since the 'monkey' can be tricky. And yet, it

is

> > the

> > > > > > > > > > > sole

> > > > > > > > > > > connection, sole messenger - Hermes! Monkeys

have

> > > > > > > > > > > been known to be

> > > > > > > > > > > tamable and have been domesticated. Look at

> humans!

> > > > > > > > > > > I rest my case!!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

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