ASTROLOGY OF MORALITY and moral fiber/fibre

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Dearly beloved!

 

Can a chart be moral? Chart used in a loose sense here to

mean, "nativity" -- the individual fragment of the SOUL (that we

*know* precious little about personally other than clever words

stolen from scriptures and other similar (or not!) sources!

 

Toss that question in a jyotish forum and you will be hit with all

kinds of combinations, arudhas, vargas, and even accounts of Dashas

that made us moral or otherwise.

 

I have always believed that morality is not a constant, and yet it

does define our 'boundaries' of behaviour and actions. And it is

learned early on in most cases, through personal experiences but

mostly the models we identified with, adored and internalized. Now

this should not be taken inflexibly. Criminals have turned into

saints and have certainly given birth to saints. Sadly, saints or

saintly humans have also given birth to rogues and without mincing

words - dregs of humanity! I am sure each of you knows a few

examples of either case, through personal experience or accounts

that are reliable. If not, it is time to come out of your cave or

down from your mountaintop and see how the remaining 7 billion live

and experience reality! This is a request and not an imposition,

expectation or directive ;-)

 

You don't have to think and act when you are acting morally, it

comes out naturally and with all your being. If it does not, it is

another clever trick that some planet or house in your horoscope is

playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and trying to get you

in trouble. Some monkey of a planet that is good with words and

seductive like you would not believe it! And poor venus gets all the

bad press, and so do mars and nodes in certain circles!

 

When so called "rational logic" and "clever words" entice your soul -

- examine Hermes, the messenger in various layers (not just vargas!)

of your human experience. Perhaps a pattern shall appear. Persevere

since the 'monkey' can be tricky. And yet, it is the sole

connection, sole messenger - Hermes! Monkeys have been known to be

tamable and have been domesticated. Look at humans! I rest my case!!

 

RR

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all the more trouble when this "monkey" planet is one's ascendant !

 

rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote: Dearly beloved!

 

Can a chart be moral? Chart used in a loose sense here to

mean, "nativity" -- the individual fragment of the SOUL (that we

*know* precious little about personally other than clever words

stolen from scriptures and other similar (or not!) sources!

 

Toss that question in a jyotish forum and you will be hit with all

kinds of combinations, arudhas, vargas, and even accounts of Dashas

that made us moral or otherwise.

 

I have always believed that morality is not a constant, and yet it

does define our 'boundaries' of behaviour and actions. And it is

learned early on in most cases, through personal experiences but

mostly the models we identified with, adored and internalized. Now

this should not be taken inflexibly. Criminals have turned into

saints and have certainly given birth to saints. Sadly, saints or

saintly humans have also given birth to rogues and without mincing

words - dregs of humanity! I am sure each of you knows a few

examples of either case, through personal experience or accounts

that are reliable. If not, it is time to come out of your cave or

down from your mountaintop and see how the remaining 7 billion live

and experience reality! This is a request and not an imposition,

expectation or directive ;-)

 

You don't have to think and act when you are acting morally, it

comes out naturally and with all your being. If it does not, it is

another clever trick that some planet or house in your horoscope is

playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and trying to get you

in trouble. Some monkey of a planet that is good with words and

seductive like you would not believe it! And poor venus gets all the

bad press, and so do mars and nodes in certain circles!

 

When so called "rational logic" and "clever words" entice your soul -

- examine Hermes, the messenger in various layers (not just vargas!)

of your human experience. Perhaps a pattern shall appear. Persevere

since the 'monkey' can be tricky. And yet, it is the sole

connection, sole messenger - Hermes! Monkeys have been known to be

tamable and have been domesticated. Look at humans! I rest my case!!

 

RR

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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more like in 'arudha'!

 

, Ahir Bhairav

<aahir_bhairav wrote:

>

> all the more trouble when this "monkey" planet is one's ascendant !

>

> rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote: Dearly beloved!

>

> Can a chart be moral? Chart used in a loose sense here to

> mean, "nativity" -- the individual fragment of the SOUL (that we

> *know* precious little about personally other than clever words

> stolen from scriptures and other similar (or not!) sources!

>

> Toss that question in a jyotish forum and you will be hit with all

> kinds of combinations, arudhas, vargas, and even accounts of

Dashas

> that made us moral or otherwise.

>

> I have always believed that morality is not a constant, and yet it

> does define our 'boundaries' of behaviour and actions. And it is

> learned early on in most cases, through personal experiences but

> mostly the models we identified with, adored and internalized. Now

> this should not be taken inflexibly. Criminals have turned into

> saints and have certainly given birth to saints. Sadly, saints or

> saintly humans have also given birth to rogues and without mincing

> words - dregs of humanity! I am sure each of you knows a few

> examples of either case, through personal experience or accounts

> that are reliable. If not, it is time to come out of your cave or

> down from your mountaintop and see how the remaining 7 billion

live

> and experience reality! This is a request and not an imposition,

> expectation or directive ;-)

>

> You don't have to think and act when you are acting morally, it

> comes out naturally and with all your being. If it does not, it is

> another clever trick that some planet or house in your horoscope

is

> playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and trying to get

you

> in trouble. Some monkey of a planet that is good with words and

> seductive like you would not believe it! And poor venus gets all

the

> bad press, and so do mars and nodes in certain circles!

>

> When so called "rational logic" and "clever words" entice your

soul -

> - examine Hermes, the messenger in various layers (not just

vargas!)

> of your human experience. Perhaps a pattern shall appear.

Persevere

> since the 'monkey' can be tricky. And yet, it is the sole

> connection, sole messenger - Hermes! Monkeys have been known to be

> tamable and have been domesticated. Look at humans! I rest my

case!!

>

> RR

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Perhaps, each soul enters in a new role in a human

birth with a given set of social, cultural and ethical

consciousness. It then goes through varied

experiences, some of them supporting its own set of

morality which is emerging from the combination of its

social, cultural and ethical processes. Here, these

three terms encompass religion, rituals, values ...and

many more.

These experiences or karmas therefore define an

individual sense of morality as against an externally

set of imposed moral values coming from the collective

group of human beings who share the journey of this

soul through the human life.

Where will this soul end up...is perhaps a function of

its evolution through time spent in this birth.

Humans and monkeys alike then act on their own sense

of dharma. We may end up with a different concept of

consciousness at the end of this life.

In my opinion, morality is as individual as the person

or his/her chart. Its the dharma or the duty; its the

karma or the process of this duty; its the phal or the

result of action; its the joy or the fulfillment of

kama..desires..and in this trikona of dahrma, karma

and kaam........we rarely are able to find the fourth

...is it really the fourth angle..that of moksha.

Can we find this fourth dimension at all, is it not a

combination of the three dimensions.

The spatial linkages of planets in the chart, their

internal dymamics and the external ambience which

keeps acting with a force which cannot be explained

either by philosphy or physics push the native on the

road of life.

 

I agree with RRji that 'You don't have to think and

act when you are acting

> morally, it

> comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> does not, it is

> another clever trick that some planet or house in

> your horoscope is

> playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> trying to get you

> in trouble.'

But how do I know what is my life-plan...only

questions!!!!

 

regards

 

rishi

--- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

 

> Dearly beloved!

>

> Can a chart be moral? Chart used in a loose sense

> here to

> mean, "nativity" -- the individual fragment of the

> SOUL (that we

> *know* precious little about personally other than

> clever words

> stolen from scriptures and other similar (or not!)

> sources!

>

> Toss that question in a jyotish forum and you will

> be hit with all

> kinds of combinations, arudhas, vargas, and even

> accounts of Dashas

> that made us moral or otherwise.

>

> I have always believed that morality is not a

> constant, and yet it

> does define our 'boundaries' of behaviour and

> actions. And it is

> learned early on in most cases, through personal

> experiences but

> mostly the models we identified with, adored and

> internalized. Now

> this should not be taken inflexibly. Criminals have

> turned into

> saints and have certainly given birth to saints.

> Sadly, saints or

> saintly humans have also given birth to rogues and

> without mincing

> words - dregs of humanity! I am sure each of you

> knows a few

> examples of either case, through personal experience

> or accounts

> that are reliable. If not, it is time to come out of

> your cave or

> down from your mountaintop and see how the remaining

> 7 billion live

> and experience reality! This is a request and not an

> imposition,

> expectation or directive ;-)

>

> You don't have to think and act when you are acting

> morally, it

> comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> does not, it is

> another clever trick that some planet or house in

> your horoscope is

> playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> trying to get you

> in trouble. Some monkey of a planet that is good

> with words and

> seductive like you would not believe it! And poor

> venus gets all the

> bad press, and so do mars and nodes in certain

> circles!

>

> When so called "rational logic" and "clever words"

> entice your soul -

> - examine Hermes, the messenger in various layers

> (not just vargas!)

> of your human experience. Perhaps a pattern shall

> appear. Persevere

> since the 'monkey' can be tricky. And yet, it is the

> sole

> connection, sole messenger - Hermes! Monkeys have

> been known to be

> tamable and have been domesticated. Look at humans!

> I rest my case!!

>

> RR

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The obvious beginning in that case would be the chart/s of saints

whose birthtimes are recent and accurate (no offense intended to

scriptural data).

 

Why mess around with valedictorians <future potentials> when the

horoscopes of Headmasters are available?

 

Do you agree?

 

RR

 

, rishi shukla

<rishi_2000in wrote:

>

> Perhaps, each soul enters in a new role in a human

> birth with a given set of social, cultural and ethical

> consciousness. It then goes through varied

> experiences, some of them supporting its own set of

> morality which is emerging from the combination of its

> social, cultural and ethical processes. Here, these

> three terms encompass religion, rituals, values ...and

> many more.

> These experiences or karmas therefore define an

> individual sense of morality as against an externally

> set of imposed moral values coming from the collective

> group of human beings who share the journey of this

> soul through the human life.

> Where will this soul end up...is perhaps a function of

> its evolution through time spent in this birth.

> Humans and monkeys alike then act on their own sense

> of dharma. We may end up with a different concept of

> consciousness at the end of this life.

> In my opinion, morality is as individual as the person

> or his/her chart. Its the dharma or the duty; its the

> karma or the process of this duty; its the phal or the

> result of action; its the joy or the fulfillment of

> kama..desires..and in this trikona of dahrma, karma

> and kaam........we rarely are able to find the fourth

> ..is it really the fourth angle..that of moksha.

> Can we find this fourth dimension at all, is it not a

> combination of the three dimensions.

> The spatial linkages of planets in the chart, their

> internal dymamics and the external ambience which

> keeps acting with a force which cannot be explained

> either by philosphy or physics push the native on the

> road of life.

>

> I agree with RRji that 'You don't have to think and

> act when you are acting

> > morally, it

> > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > does not, it is

> > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > your horoscope is

> > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > trying to get you

> > in trouble.'

> But how do I know what is my life-plan...only

> questions!!!!

>

> regards

>

> rishi

> --- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

>

> > Dearly beloved!

> >

> > Can a chart be moral? Chart used in a loose sense

> > here to

> > mean, "nativity" -- the individual fragment of the

> > SOUL (that we

> > *know* precious little about personally other than

> > clever words

> > stolen from scriptures and other similar (or not!)

> > sources!

> >

> > Toss that question in a jyotish forum and you will

> > be hit with all

> > kinds of combinations, arudhas, vargas, and even

> > accounts of Dashas

> > that made us moral or otherwise.

> >

> > I have always believed that morality is not a

> > constant, and yet it

> > does define our 'boundaries' of behaviour and

> > actions. And it is

> > learned early on in most cases, through personal

> > experiences but

> > mostly the models we identified with, adored and

> > internalized. Now

> > this should not be taken inflexibly. Criminals have

> > turned into

> > saints and have certainly given birth to saints.

> > Sadly, saints or

> > saintly humans have also given birth to rogues and

> > without mincing

> > words - dregs of humanity! I am sure each of you

> > knows a few

> > examples of either case, through personal experience

> > or accounts

> > that are reliable. If not, it is time to come out of

> > your cave or

> > down from your mountaintop and see how the remaining

> > 7 billion live

> > and experience reality! This is a request and not an

> > imposition,

> > expectation or directive ;-)

> >

> > You don't have to think and act when you are acting

> > morally, it

> > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > does not, it is

> > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > your horoscope is

> > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > trying to get you

> > in trouble. Some monkey of a planet that is good

> > with words and

> > seductive like you would not believe it! And poor

> > venus gets all the

> > bad press, and so do mars and nodes in certain

> > circles!

> >

> > When so called "rational logic" and "clever words"

> > entice your soul -

> > - examine Hermes, the messenger in various layers

> > (not just vargas!)

> > of your human experience. Perhaps a pattern shall

> > appear. Persevere

> > since the 'monkey' can be tricky. And yet, it is the

> > sole

> > connection, sole messenger - Hermes! Monkeys have

> > been known to be

> > tamable and have been domesticated. Look at humans!

> > I rest my case!!

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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we are adding to the senese of morality without even mentioning the basic

knowledge that Panchatantra has contributed to our values.Every one of us no

doubt must gleaned,glanced and even revered the great concepts.ofcourse it was

from the point of view the animal stories have been eluciadted.that might be one

reason why we would like to have a fauxpas at it.

Then now we are skipping to astral side of morality whether it carries

significance or not in tems of past present births.so we wolu like to be tied up

with rinanubandham concepts from the past to present and then to future without

caring for what is going around and how society's are aping from external

influences.So :".These experiences or karmas therefore define anindividual sense

of morality as against an externallyset of imposed moral values coming from the

collectivegroup of human beings who share the journey of thissoul through the

human life "has it's own significance not from moral perspective but from own

introspection perspective.

Rohini ji how ever finds a point when he says internalised and inflexible:"it

is learned early on in most cases, throughpersonal

> experiences but mostly the models we identified with, adored andinternalized.

Now this should not be taken inflexibly"

Now the dimensions of models what younger generations witness through T.V and

other media is through Aamir Khans,Tendulkars

and of Mecca Colas if not pepsi and ThumsUp

what could be the moral?Do we have to blame ourselves

krishnan

rishi shukla <rishi_2000in wrote:

Perhaps, each soul enters in a new role in a human

birth with a given set of social, cultural and ethical

consciousness. It then goes through varied

experiences, some of them supporting its own set of

morality which is emerging from the combination of its

social, cultural and ethical processes. Here, these

three terms encompass religion, rituals, values ...and

many more.

These experiences or karmas therefore define an

individual sense of morality as against an externally

set of imposed moral values coming from the collective

group of human beings who share the journey of this

soul through the human life.

Where will this soul end up...is perhaps a function of

its evolution through time spent in this birth.

Humans and monkeys alike then act on their own sense

of dharma. We may end up with a different concept of

consciousness at the end of this life.

In my opinion, morality is as individual as the person

or his/her chart. Its the dharma or the duty; its the

karma or the process of this duty; its the phal or the

result of action; its the joy or the fulfillment of

kama..desires..and in this trikona of dahrma, karma

and kaam........we rarely are able to find the fourth

...is it really the fourth angle..that of moksha.

Can we find this fourth dimension at all, is it not a

combination of the three dimensions.

The spatial linkages of planets in the chart, their

internal dymamics and the external ambience which

keeps acting with a force which cannot be explained

either by philosphy or physics push the native on the

road of life.

 

I agree with RRji that 'You don't have to think and

act when you are acting

> morally, it

> comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> does not, it is

> another clever trick that some planet or house in

> your horoscope is

> playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> trying to get you

> in trouble.'

But how do I know what is my life-plan...only

questions!!!!

 

regards

 

rishi

--- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

 

> Dearly beloved!

>

> Can a chart be moral? Chart used in a loose sense

> here to

> mean, "nativity" -- the individual fragment of the

> SOUL (that we

> *know* precious little about personally other than

> clever words

> stolen from scriptures and other similar (or not!)

> sources!

>

> Toss that question in a jyotish forum and you will

> be hit with all

> kinds of combinations, arudhas, vargas, and even

> accounts of Dashas

> that made us moral or otherwise.

>

> I have always believed that morality is not a

> constant, and yet it

> does define our 'boundaries' of behaviour and

> actions. And it is

> learned early on in most cases, through personal

> experiences but

> mostly the models we identified with, adored and

> internalized. Now

> this should not be taken inflexibly. Criminals have

> turned into

> saints and have certainly given birth to saints.

> Sadly, saints or

> saintly humans have also given birth to rogues and

> without mincing

> words - dregs of humanity! I am sure each of you

> knows a few

> examples of either case, through personal experience

> or accounts

> that are reliable. If not, it is time to come out of

> your cave or

> down from your mountaintop and see how the remaining

> 7 billion live

> and experience reality! This is a request and not an

> imposition,

> expectation or directive ;-)

>

> You don't have to think and act when you are acting

> morally, it

> comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> does not, it is

> another clever trick that some planet or house in

> your horoscope is

> playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> trying to get you

> in trouble. Some monkey of a planet that is good

> with words and

> seductive like you would not believe it! And poor

> venus gets all the

> bad press, and so do mars and nodes in certain

> circles!

>

> When so called "rational logic" and "clever words"

> entice your soul -

> - examine Hermes, the messenger in various layers

> (not just vargas!)

> of your human experience. Perhaps a pattern shall

> appear. Persevere

> since the 'monkey' can be tricky. And yet, it is the

> sole

> connection, sole messenger - Hermes! Monkeys have

> been known to be

> tamable and have been domesticated. Look at humans!

> I rest my case!!

>

> RR

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF

ABSOLUTE BLISS.

 

 

 

 

 

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"Rohini ji"? How formal?? Or is Winter setting in everywhere as it

is around me as we speak -- well below freezing and maybe that gives

me a different perspective that makes physical reality REAL all the

time! :-)

 

Stories and allegories, in my experience, Mr. Krishnan -- only work

for and appeal to those who grew up with those! As you did concede,

it takes us back to where we grew up and how.

 

Morality and moral sense is related to growth, of the soul and its

carnate form -- and the window for learning is very short, the early

decade or so?

 

Perhaps our first dasha or couple of dashas at best hold a SWAY on

that part of our experience and learning? And if that is indeed the

case -- my next focus would be on the nakshatra that natal moon is

in, because that is where life as each of us individuals know it,

began -- this time around.

 

Just the beginning, not the end!!

 

RR

 

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99 wrote:

>

> we are adding to the senese of morality without even mentioning

the basic knowledge that Panchatantra has contributed to our

values.Every one of us no doubt must gleaned,glanced and even

revered the great concepts.ofcourse it was from the point of view

the animal stories have been eluciadted.that might be one reason why

we would like to have a fauxpas at it.

> Then now we are skipping to astral side of morality whether it

carries significance or not in tems of past present births.so we

wolu like to be tied up with rinanubandham concepts from the past to

present and then to future without caring for what is going around

and how society's are aping from external influences.So :".These

experiences or karmas therefore define anindividual sense of

morality as against an externallyset of imposed moral values coming

from the collectivegroup of human beings who share the journey of

thissoul through the human life "has it's own significance not from

moral perspective but from own introspection perspective.

> Rohini ji how ever finds a point when he says internalised and

inflexible:"it is learned early on in most cases, throughpersonal

> > experiences but mostly the models we identified with, adored

andinternalized. Now this should not be taken inflexibly"

> Now the dimensions of models what younger generations witness

through T.V and other media is through Aamir Khans,Tendulkars

> and of Mecca Colas if not pepsi and ThumsUp

> what could be the moral?Do we have to blame ourselves

> krishnan

> rishi shukla <rishi_2000in wrote:

> Perhaps, each soul enters in a new role in a human

> birth with a given set of social, cultural and ethical

> consciousness. It then goes through varied

> experiences, some of them supporting its own set of

> morality which is emerging from the combination of its

> social, cultural and ethical processes. Here, these

> three terms encompass religion, rituals, values ...and

> many more.

> These experiences or karmas therefore define an

> individual sense of morality as against an externally

> set of imposed moral values coming from the collective

> group of human beings who share the journey of this

> soul through the human life.

> Where will this soul end up...is perhaps a function of

> its evolution through time spent in this birth.

> Humans and monkeys alike then act on their own sense

> of dharma. We may end up with a different concept of

> consciousness at the end of this life.

> In my opinion, morality is as individual as the person

> or his/her chart. Its the dharma or the duty; its the

> karma or the process of this duty; its the phal or the

> result of action; its the joy or the fulfillment of

> kama..desires..and in this trikona of dahrma, karma

> and kaam........we rarely are able to find the fourth

> ..is it really the fourth angle..that of moksha.

> Can we find this fourth dimension at all, is it not a

> combination of the three dimensions.

> The spatial linkages of planets in the chart, their

> internal dymamics and the external ambience which

> keeps acting with a force which cannot be explained

> either by philosphy or physics push the native on the

> road of life.

>

> I agree with RRji that 'You don't have to think and

> act when you are acting

> > morally, it

> > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > does not, it is

> > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > your horoscope is

> > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > trying to get you

> > in trouble.'

> But how do I know what is my life-plan...only

> questions!!!!

>

> regards

>

> rishi

> --- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

>

> > Dearly beloved!

> >

> > Can a chart be moral? Chart used in a loose sense

> > here to

> > mean, "nativity" -- the individual fragment of the

> > SOUL (that we

> > *know* precious little about personally other than

> > clever words

> > stolen from scriptures and other similar (or not!)

> > sources!

> >

> > Toss that question in a jyotish forum and you will

> > be hit with all

> > kinds of combinations, arudhas, vargas, and even

> > accounts of Dashas

> > that made us moral or otherwise.

> >

> > I have always believed that morality is not a

> > constant, and yet it

> > does define our 'boundaries' of behaviour and

> > actions. And it is

> > learned early on in most cases, through personal

> > experiences but

> > mostly the models we identified with, adored and

> > internalized. Now

> > this should not be taken inflexibly. Criminals have

> > turned into

> > saints and have certainly given birth to saints.

> > Sadly, saints or

> > saintly humans have also given birth to rogues and

> > without mincing

> > words - dregs of humanity! I am sure each of you

> > knows a few

> > examples of either case, through personal experience

> > or accounts

> > that are reliable. If not, it is time to come out of

> > your cave or

> > down from your mountaintop and see how the remaining

> > 7 billion live

> > and experience reality! This is a request and not an

> > imposition,

> > expectation or directive ;-)

> >

> > You don't have to think and act when you are acting

> > morally, it

> > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > does not, it is

> > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > your horoscope is

> > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > trying to get you

> > in trouble. Some monkey of a planet that is good

> > with words and

> > seductive like you would not believe it! And poor

> > venus gets all the

> > bad press, and so do mars and nodes in certain

> > circles!

> >

> > When so called "rational logic" and "clever words"

> > entice your soul -

> > - examine Hermes, the messenger in various layers

> > (not just vargas!)

> > of your human experience. Perhaps a pattern shall

> > appear. Persevere

> > since the 'monkey' can be tricky. And yet, it is the

> > sole

> > connection, sole messenger - Hermes! Monkeys have

> > been known to be

> > tamable and have been domesticated. Look at humans!

> > I rest my case!!

> >

> > RR

> >

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life-plan(s), did make lots of them and had them blown away pooh!!

can we blame poor Hermes(already debilitated)or ascendant 'monkeys'

or arudhas? I am sure we cannot.

Life has plans for us and not the other way round, atleast for me.

I am also in total agreement with RRji, you dont have to act or

think when you are acting morally. because it is not a cloak you

wear it when you like and throw it away when you choose to, 'monkeys

or no monkeys'. It is something so deeply woven into the fabric of

your life, consciousness that it is a vital part of you an an

individual.It is getting off your mighty moral high horse,

tolerating lesser mortals, who are fallible, who make mistakes,

typos,less learned, less articulate... before it becomes 'too

soulful' for a jyotish forum,

Regards

Nalini

 

 

, rishi shukla

<rishi_2000in wrote:

>

> Perhaps, each soul enters in a new role in a human

> birth with a given set of social, cultural and ethical

> consciousness. It then goes through varied

> experiences, some of them supporting its own set of

> morality which is emerging from the combination of its

> social, cultural and ethical processes. Here, these

> three terms encompass religion, rituals, values ...and

> many more.

> These experiences or karmas therefore define an

> individual sense of morality as against an externally

> set of imposed moral values coming from the collective

> group of human beings who share the journey of this

> soul through the human life.

> Where will this soul end up...is perhaps a function of

> its evolution through time spent in this birth.

> Humans and monkeys alike then act on their own sense

> of dharma. We may end up with a different concept of

> consciousness at the end of this life.

> In my opinion, morality is as individual as the person

> or his/her chart. Its the dharma or the duty; its the

> karma or the process of this duty; its the phal or the

> result of action; its the joy or the fulfillment of

> kama..desires..and in this trikona of dahrma, karma

> and kaam........we rarely are able to find the fourth

> ..is it really the fourth angle..that of moksha.

> Can we find this fourth dimension at all, is it not a

> combination of the three dimensions.

> The spatial linkages of planets in the chart, their

> internal dymamics and the external ambience which

> keeps acting with a force which cannot be explained

> either by philosphy or physics push the native on the

> road of life.

>

> I agree with RRji that 'You don't have to think and

> act when you are acting

> > morally, it

> > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > does not, it is

> > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > your horoscope is

> > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > trying to get you

> > in trouble.'

> But how do I know what is my life-plan...only

> questions!!!!

>

> regards

>

> rishi

> --- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

>

> > Dearly beloved!

> >

> > Can a chart be moral? Chart used in a loose sense

> > here to

> > mean, "nativity" -- the individual fragment of the

> > SOUL (that we

> > *know* precious little about personally other than

> > clever words

> > stolen from scriptures and other similar (or not!)

> > sources!

> >

> > Toss that question in a jyotish forum and you will

> > be hit with all

> > kinds of combinations, arudhas, vargas, and even

> > accounts of Dashas

> > that made us moral or otherwise.

> >

> > I have always believed that morality is not a

> > constant, and yet it

> > does define our 'boundaries' of behaviour and

> > actions. And it is

> > learned early on in most cases, through personal

> > experiences but

> > mostly the models we identified with, adored and

> > internalized. Now

> > this should not be taken inflexibly. Criminals have

> > turned into

> > saints and have certainly given birth to saints.

> > Sadly, saints or

> > saintly humans have also given birth to rogues and

> > without mincing

> > words - dregs of humanity! I am sure each of you

> > knows a few

> > examples of either case, through personal experience

> > or accounts

> > that are reliable. If not, it is time to come out of

> > your cave or

> > down from your mountaintop and see how the remaining

> > 7 billion live

> > and experience reality! This is a request and not an

> > imposition,

> > expectation or directive ;-)

> >

> > You don't have to think and act when you are acting

> > morally, it

> > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > does not, it is

> > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > your horoscope is

> > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > trying to get you

> > in trouble. Some monkey of a planet that is good

> > with words and

> > seductive like you would not believe it! And poor

> > venus gets all the

> > bad press, and so do mars and nodes in certain

> > circles!

> >

> > When so called "rational logic" and "clever words"

> > entice your soul -

> > - examine Hermes, the messenger in various layers

> > (not just vargas!)

> > of your human experience. Perhaps a pattern shall

> > appear. Persevere

> > since the 'monkey' can be tricky. And yet, it is the

> > sole

> > connection, sole messenger - Hermes! Monkeys have

> > been known to be

> > tamable and have been domesticated. Look at humans!

> > I rest my case!!

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Nalini,

 

I was not talking about lifeplans made by humans when they graduate

from school and when they were children (like I wanted to be a pilot

and all I can boast in that area is that despite being somewhat

acrophobic on open ledges -- I have absolutely no fear of flying and

actually have always enjoyed flights -- even the bumpier ones where

your 'neighbours' puke!

 

I am talking about the lifeplan that is hard to prove, has been

indicated (if that is any endorsement!) by psychics and saints that

the soul incarnates for a purpose and in specific surroundings (and

then risks going astray -- as we see around us all the time and

sometimes amongst ourselves and even within ourselves!)

 

Do not underestimate the monkey! Sometimes it manifests through

other animals (planets) that it holds a sway over!

 

Nalini, if this was a private conversation, I would not write this,

because you are already so accomplished and have suffered more than

most I know, by your account. So, please do not take this personally

as if aimed at you or I have anything of any value to offer to you

(as if I would even dare!) -- I keep on writing because there are

others who read some of what I write. Hopefully that is not too

arrogant or egoistical of me?

 

RR

 

, "auromirra19"

<nalini2818 wrote:

>

> life-plan(s), did make lots of them and had them blown away pooh!!

> can we blame poor Hermes(already debilitated)or ascendant 'monkeys'

> or arudhas? I am sure we cannot.

> Life has plans for us and not the other way round, atleast for me.

> I am also in total agreement with RRji, you dont have to act or

> think when you are acting morally. because it is not a cloak you

> wear it when you like and throw it away when you choose

to, 'monkeys

> or no monkeys'. It is something so deeply woven into the fabric of

> your life, consciousness that it is a vital part of you an an

> individual.It is getting off your mighty moral high horse,

> tolerating lesser mortals, who are fallible, who make mistakes,

> typos,less learned, less articulate... before it becomes 'too

> soulful' for a jyotish forum,

> Regards

> Nalini

>

>

> , rishi shukla

> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> >

> > Perhaps, each soul enters in a new role in a human

> > birth with a given set of social, cultural and ethical

> > consciousness. It then goes through varied

> > experiences, some of them supporting its own set of

> > morality which is emerging from the combination of its

> > social, cultural and ethical processes. Here, these

> > three terms encompass religion, rituals, values ...and

> > many more.

> > These experiences or karmas therefore define an

> > individual sense of morality as against an externally

> > set of imposed moral values coming from the collective

> > group of human beings who share the journey of this

> > soul through the human life.

> > Where will this soul end up...is perhaps a function of

> > its evolution through time spent in this birth.

> > Humans and monkeys alike then act on their own sense

> > of dharma. We may end up with a different concept of

> > consciousness at the end of this life.

> > In my opinion, morality is as individual as the person

> > or his/her chart. Its the dharma or the duty; its the

> > karma or the process of this duty; its the phal or the

> > result of action; its the joy or the fulfillment of

> > kama..desires..and in this trikona of dahrma, karma

> > and kaam........we rarely are able to find the fourth

> > ..is it really the fourth angle..that of moksha.

> > Can we find this fourth dimension at all, is it not a

> > combination of the three dimensions.

> > The spatial linkages of planets in the chart, their

> > internal dymamics and the external ambience which

> > keeps acting with a force which cannot be explained

> > either by philosphy or physics push the native on the

> > road of life.

> >

> > I agree with RRji that 'You don't have to think and

> > act when you are acting

> > > morally, it

> > > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > > does not, it is

> > > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > > your horoscope is

> > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > > trying to get you

> > > in trouble.'

> > But how do I know what is my life-plan...only

> > questions!!!!

> >

> > regards

> >

> > rishi

> > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> >

> > > Dearly beloved!

> > >

> > > Can a chart be moral? Chart used in a loose sense

> > > here to

> > > mean, "nativity" -- the individual fragment of the

> > > SOUL (that we

> > > *know* precious little about personally other than

> > > clever words

> > > stolen from scriptures and other similar (or not!)

> > > sources!

> > >

> > > Toss that question in a jyotish forum and you will

> > > be hit with all

> > > kinds of combinations, arudhas, vargas, and even

> > > accounts of Dashas

> > > that made us moral or otherwise.

> > >

> > > I have always believed that morality is not a

> > > constant, and yet it

> > > does define our 'boundaries' of behaviour and

> > > actions. And it is

> > > learned early on in most cases, through personal

> > > experiences but

> > > mostly the models we identified with, adored and

> > > internalized. Now

> > > this should not be taken inflexibly. Criminals have

> > > turned into

> > > saints and have certainly given birth to saints.

> > > Sadly, saints or

> > > saintly humans have also given birth to rogues and

> > > without mincing

> > > words - dregs of humanity! I am sure each of you

> > > knows a few

> > > examples of either case, through personal experience

> > > or accounts

> > > that are reliable. If not, it is time to come out of

> > > your cave or

> > > down from your mountaintop and see how the remaining

> > > 7 billion live

> > > and experience reality! This is a request and not an

> > > imposition,

> > > expectation or directive ;-)

> > >

> > > You don't have to think and act when you are acting

> > > morally, it

> > > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > > does not, it is

> > > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > > your horoscope is

> > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > > trying to get you

> > > in trouble. Some monkey of a planet that is good

> > > with words and

> > > seductive like you would not believe it! And poor

> > > venus gets all the

> > > bad press, and so do mars and nodes in certain

> > > circles!

> > >

> > > When so called "rational logic" and "clever words"

> > > entice your soul -

> > > - examine Hermes, the messenger in various layers

> > > (not just vargas!)

> > > of your human experience. Perhaps a pattern shall

> > > appear. Persevere

> > > since the 'monkey' can be tricky. And yet, it is the

> > > sole

> > > connection, sole messenger - Hermes! Monkeys have

> > > been known to be

> > > tamable and have been domesticated. Look at humans!

> > > I rest my case!!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Maybe if there is someone to really decipher nature and the charts.

Cant be all logically explained away...that is why, the poet

says...''jahan na pahunche ravi tahan pahunche kavi''..where even

Sun cant permeate there the poet reaches.

She wails to her beloved...'awaz de kar hame tum bulao, diye ki

tarah na hamko jalao'' and the words echo in her mind....

" Main saanson ke har taar mein bas rahan hoon,

mein dharkan ke har raag mein baj rahan hoon

jara dil ki janib nigahen jhukao....''

 

Well Headmasters and students alike need to find their own path!!

 

 

 

 

 

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb

wrote:

>

> The obvious beginning in that case would be the chart/s of saints

> whose birthtimes are recent and accurate (no offense intended to

> scriptural data).

>

> Why mess around with valedictorians <future potentials> when the

> horoscopes of Headmasters are available?

>

> Do you agree?

>

> RR

>

> , rishi shukla

> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> >

> > Perhaps, each soul enters in a new role in a human

> > birth with a given set of social, cultural and ethical

> > consciousness. It then goes through varied

> > experiences, some of them supporting its own set of

> > morality which is emerging from the combination of its

> > social, cultural and ethical processes. Here, these

> > three terms encompass religion, rituals, values ...and

> > many more.

> > These experiences or karmas therefore define an

> > individual sense of morality as against an externally

> > set of imposed moral values coming from the collective

> > group of human beings who share the journey of this

> > soul through the human life.

> > Where will this soul end up...is perhaps a function of

> > its evolution through time spent in this birth.

> > Humans and monkeys alike then act on their own sense

> > of dharma. We may end up with a different concept of

> > consciousness at the end of this life.

> > In my opinion, morality is as individual as the person

> > or his/her chart. Its the dharma or the duty; its the

> > karma or the process of this duty; its the phal or the

> > result of action; its the joy or the fulfillment of

> > kama..desires..and in this trikona of dahrma, karma

> > and kaam........we rarely are able to find the fourth

> > ..is it really the fourth angle..that of moksha.

> > Can we find this fourth dimension at all, is it not a

> > combination of the three dimensions.

> > The spatial linkages of planets in the chart, their

> > internal dymamics and the external ambience which

> > keeps acting with a force which cannot be explained

> > either by philosphy or physics push the native on the

> > road of life.

> >

> > I agree with RRji that 'You don't have to think and

> > act when you are acting

> > > morally, it

> > > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > > does not, it is

> > > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > > your horoscope is

> > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > > trying to get you

> > > in trouble.'

> > But how do I know what is my life-plan...only

> > questions!!!!

> >

> > regards

> >

> > rishi

> > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> >

> > > Dearly beloved!

> > >

> > > Can a chart be moral? Chart used in a loose sense

> > > here to

> > > mean, "nativity" -- the individual fragment of the

> > > SOUL (that we

> > > *know* precious little about personally other than

> > > clever words

> > > stolen from scriptures and other similar (or not!)

> > > sources!

> > >

> > > Toss that question in a jyotish forum and you will

> > > be hit with all

> > > kinds of combinations, arudhas, vargas, and even

> > > accounts of Dashas

> > > that made us moral or otherwise.

> > >

> > > I have always believed that morality is not a

> > > constant, and yet it

> > > does define our 'boundaries' of behaviour and

> > > actions. And it is

> > > learned early on in most cases, through personal

> > > experiences but

> > > mostly the models we identified with, adored and

> > > internalized. Now

> > > this should not be taken inflexibly. Criminals have

> > > turned into

> > > saints and have certainly given birth to saints.

> > > Sadly, saints or

> > > saintly humans have also given birth to rogues and

> > > without mincing

> > > words - dregs of humanity! I am sure each of you

> > > knows a few

> > > examples of either case, through personal experience

> > > or accounts

> > > that are reliable. If not, it is time to come out of

> > > your cave or

> > > down from your mountaintop and see how the remaining

> > > 7 billion live

> > > and experience reality! This is a request and not an

> > > imposition,

> > > expectation or directive ;-)

> > >

> > > You don't have to think and act when you are acting

> > > morally, it

> > > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > > does not, it is

> > > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > > your horoscope is

> > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > > trying to get you

> > > in trouble. Some monkey of a planet that is good

> > > with words and

> > > seductive like you would not believe it! And poor

> > > venus gets all the

> > > bad press, and so do mars and nodes in certain

> > > circles!

> > >

> > > When so called "rational logic" and "clever words"

> > > entice your soul -

> > > - examine Hermes, the messenger in various layers

> > > (not just vargas!)

> > > of your human experience. Perhaps a pattern shall

> > > appear. Persevere

> > > since the 'monkey' can be tricky. And yet, it is the

> > > sole

> > > connection, sole messenger - Hermes! Monkeys have

> > > been known to be

> > > tamable and have been domesticated. Look at humans!

> > > I rest my case!!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

well said rishi ji !!!

 

rishi_2000in <rishi_2000in wrote: Maybe if there is someone to

really decipher nature and the charts.

Cant be all logically explained away...that is why, the poet

says...''jahan na pahunche ravi tahan pahunche kavi''..where even

Sun cant permeate there the poet reaches.

She wails to her beloved...'awaz de kar hame tum bulao, diye ki

tarah na hamko jalao'' and the words echo in her mind....

" Main saanson ke har taar mein bas rahan hoon,

mein dharkan ke har raag mein baj rahan hoon

jara dil ki janib nigahen jhukao....''

 

Well Headmasters and students alike need to find their own path!!

 

 

 

 

 

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb

wrote:

>

> The obvious beginning in that case would be the chart/s of saints

> whose birthtimes are recent and accurate (no offense intended to

> scriptural data).

>

> Why mess around with valedictorians <future potentials> when the

> horoscopes of Headmasters are available?

>

> Do you agree?

>

> RR

>

> , rishi shukla

> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> >

> > Perhaps, each soul enters in a new role in a human

> > birth with a given set of social, cultural and ethical

> > consciousness. It then goes through varied

> > experiences, some of them supporting its own set of

> > morality which is emerging from the combination of its

> > social, cultural and ethical processes. Here, these

> > three terms encompass religion, rituals, values ...and

> > many more.

> > These experiences or karmas therefore define an

> > individual sense of morality as against an externally

> > set of imposed moral values coming from the collective

> > group of human beings who share the journey of this

> > soul through the human life.

> > Where will this soul end up...is perhaps a function of

> > its evolution through time spent in this birth.

> > Humans and monkeys alike then act on their own sense

> > of dharma. We may end up with a different concept of

> > consciousness at the end of this life.

> > In my opinion, morality is as individual as the person

> > or his/her chart. Its the dharma or the duty; its the

> > karma or the process of this duty; its the phal or the

> > result of action; its the joy or the fulfillment of

> > kama..desires..and in this trikona of dahrma, karma

> > and kaam........we rarely are able to find the fourth

> > ..is it really the fourth angle..that of moksha.

> > Can we find this fourth dimension at all, is it not a

> > combination of the three dimensions.

> > The spatial linkages of planets in the chart, their

> > internal dymamics and the external ambience which

> > keeps acting with a force which cannot be explained

> > either by philosphy or physics push the native on the

> > road of life.

> >

> > I agree with RRji that 'You don't have to think and

> > act when you are acting

> > > morally, it

> > > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > > does not, it is

> > > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > > your horoscope is

> > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > > trying to get you

> > > in trouble.'

> > But how do I know what is my life-plan...only

> > questions!!!!

> >

> > regards

> >

> > rishi

> > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> >

> > > Dearly beloved!

> > >

> > > Can a chart be moral? Chart used in a loose sense

> > > here to

> > > mean, "nativity" -- the individual fragment of the

> > > SOUL (that we

> > > *know* precious little about personally other than

> > > clever words

> > > stolen from scriptures and other similar (or not!)

> > > sources!

> > >

> > > Toss that question in a jyotish forum and you will

> > > be hit with all

> > > kinds of combinations, arudhas, vargas, and even

> > > accounts of Dashas

> > > that made us moral or otherwise.

> > >

> > > I have always believed that morality is not a

> > > constant, and yet it

> > > does define our 'boundaries' of behaviour and

> > > actions. And it is

> > > learned early on in most cases, through personal

> > > experiences but

> > > mostly the models we identified with, adored and

> > > internalized. Now

> > > this should not be taken inflexibly. Criminals have

> > > turned into

> > > saints and have certainly given birth to saints.

> > > Sadly, saints or

> > > saintly humans have also given birth to rogues and

> > > without mincing

> > > words - dregs of humanity! I am sure each of you

> > > knows a few

> > > examples of either case, through personal experience

> > > or accounts

> > > that are reliable. If not, it is time to come out of

> > > your cave or

> > > down from your mountaintop and see how the remaining

> > > 7 billion live

> > > and experience reality! This is a request and not an

> > > imposition,

> > > expectation or directive ;-)

> > >

> > > You don't have to think and act when you are acting

> > > morally, it

> > > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > > does not, it is

> > > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > > your horoscope is

> > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > > trying to get you

> > > in trouble. Some monkey of a planet that is good

> > > with words and

> > > seductive like you would not believe it! And poor

> > > venus gets all the

> > > bad press, and so do mars and nodes in certain

> > > circles!

> > >

> > > When so called "rational logic" and "clever words"

> > > entice your soul -

> > > - examine Hermes, the messenger in various layers

> > > (not just vargas!)

> > > of your human experience. Perhaps a pattern shall

> > > appear. Persevere

> > > since the 'monkey' can be tricky. And yet, it is the

> > > sole

> > > connection, sole messenger - Hermes! Monkeys have

> > > been known to be

> > > tamable and have been domesticated. Look at humans!

> > > I rest my case!!

> > >

> > > RR

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RRji,

Please let not what I wrote deter you at all, accomplished I am not,

not by any account but suffered yes if you can call it suffering, I

think it is a lesson plan of the various teachers of life's school.

You know I did sometimes hate school, especially after I had

finished up reading up the text books.

RRji, I enjoy reading your posts, they are so full of 'life' 'Wit'.

I would not think that you have nothing of value to offer,only you

dont know the value of what you give. I remember and cherish every

advice and words of wisdom you had for me at all times.I dont read

some of what you write, I read all of it.

Regards

Nalini

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb

wrote:

>

> Nalini,

>

> I was not talking about lifeplans made by humans when they

graduate

> from school and when they were children (like I wanted to be a

pilot

> and all I can boast in that area is that despite being somewhat

> acrophobic on open ledges -- I have absolutely no fear of flying

and

> actually have always enjoyed flights -- even the bumpier ones

where

> your 'neighbours' puke!

>

> I am talking about the lifeplan that is hard to prove, has been

> indicated (if that is any endorsement!) by psychics and saints

that

> the soul incarnates for a purpose and in specific surroundings

(and

> then risks going astray -- as we see around us all the time and

> sometimes amongst ourselves and even within ourselves!)

>

> Do not underestimate the monkey! Sometimes it manifests through

> other animals (planets) that it holds a sway over!

>

> Nalini, if this was a private conversation, I would not write

this,

> because you are already so accomplished and have suffered more

than

> most I know, by your account. So, please do not take this

personally

> as if aimed at you or I have anything of any value to offer to you

> (as if I would even dare!) -- I keep on writing because there are

> others who read some of what I write. Hopefully that is not too

> arrogant or egoistical of me?

>

> RR

>

> , "auromirra19"

> <nalini2818@> wrote:

> >

> > life-plan(s), did make lots of them and had them blown away

pooh!!

> > can we blame poor Hermes(already debilitated)or

ascendant 'monkeys'

> > or arudhas? I am sure we cannot.

> > Life has plans for us and not the other way round, atleast for

me.

> > I am also in total agreement with RRji, you dont have to act or

> > think when you are acting morally. because it is not a cloak you

> > wear it when you like and throw it away when you choose

> to, 'monkeys

> > or no monkeys'. It is something so deeply woven into the fabric

of

> > your life, consciousness that it is a vital part of you an an

> > individual.It is getting off your mighty moral high horse,

> > tolerating lesser mortals, who are fallible, who make mistakes,

> > typos,less learned, less articulate... before it becomes 'too

> > soulful' for a jyotish forum,

> > Regards

> > Nalini

> >

> >

> > , rishi shukla

> > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Perhaps, each soul enters in a new role in a human

> > > birth with a given set of social, cultural and ethical

> > > consciousness. It then goes through varied

> > > experiences, some of them supporting its own set of

> > > morality which is emerging from the combination of its

> > > social, cultural and ethical processes. Here, these

> > > three terms encompass religion, rituals, values ...and

> > > many more.

> > > These experiences or karmas therefore define an

> > > individual sense of morality as against an externally

> > > set of imposed moral values coming from the collective

> > > group of human beings who share the journey of this

> > > soul through the human life.

> > > Where will this soul end up...is perhaps a function of

> > > its evolution through time spent in this birth.

> > > Humans and monkeys alike then act on their own sense

> > > of dharma. We may end up with a different concept of

> > > consciousness at the end of this life.

> > > In my opinion, morality is as individual as the person

> > > or his/her chart. Its the dharma or the duty; its the

> > > karma or the process of this duty; its the phal or the

> > > result of action; its the joy or the fulfillment of

> > > kama..desires..and in this trikona of dahrma, karma

> > > and kaam........we rarely are able to find the fourth

> > > ..is it really the fourth angle..that of moksha.

> > > Can we find this fourth dimension at all, is it not a

> > > combination of the three dimensions.

> > > The spatial linkages of planets in the chart, their

> > > internal dymamics and the external ambience which

> > > keeps acting with a force which cannot be explained

> > > either by philosphy or physics push the native on the

> > > road of life.

> > >

> > > I agree with RRji that 'You don't have to think and

> > > act when you are acting

> > > > morally, it

> > > > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > > > does not, it is

> > > > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > > > your horoscope is

> > > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > > > trying to get you

> > > > in trouble.'

> > > But how do I know what is my life-plan...only

> > > questions!!!!

> > >

> > > regards

> > >

> > > rishi

> > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dearly beloved!

> > > >

> > > > Can a chart be moral? Chart used in a loose sense

> > > > here to

> > > > mean, "nativity" -- the individual fragment of the

> > > > SOUL (that we

> > > > *know* precious little about personally other than

> > > > clever words

> > > > stolen from scriptures and other similar (or not!)

> > > > sources!

> > > >

> > > > Toss that question in a jyotish forum and you will

> > > > be hit with all

> > > > kinds of combinations, arudhas, vargas, and even

> > > > accounts of Dashas

> > > > that made us moral or otherwise.

> > > >

> > > > I have always believed that morality is not a

> > > > constant, and yet it

> > > > does define our 'boundaries' of behaviour and

> > > > actions. And it is

> > > > learned early on in most cases, through personal

> > > > experiences but

> > > > mostly the models we identified with, adored and

> > > > internalized. Now

> > > > this should not be taken inflexibly. Criminals have

> > > > turned into

> > > > saints and have certainly given birth to saints.

> > > > Sadly, saints or

> > > > saintly humans have also given birth to rogues and

> > > > without mincing

> > > > words - dregs of humanity! I am sure each of you

> > > > knows a few

> > > > examples of either case, through personal experience

> > > > or accounts

> > > > that are reliable. If not, it is time to come out of

> > > > your cave or

> > > > down from your mountaintop and see how the remaining

> > > > 7 billion live

> > > > and experience reality! This is a request and not an

> > > > imposition,

> > > > expectation or directive ;-)

> > > >

> > > > You don't have to think and act when you are acting

> > > > morally, it

> > > > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > > > does not, it is

> > > > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > > > your horoscope is

> > > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > > > trying to get you

> > > > in trouble. Some monkey of a planet that is good

> > > > with words and

> > > > seductive like you would not believe it! And poor

> > > > venus gets all the

> > > > bad press, and so do mars and nodes in certain

> > > > circles!

> > > >

> > > > When so called "rational logic" and "clever words"

> > > > entice your soul -

> > > > - examine Hermes, the messenger in various layers

> > > > (not just vargas!)

> > > > of your human experience. Perhaps a pattern shall

> > > > appear. Persevere

> > > > since the 'monkey' can be tricky. And yet, it is the

> > > > sole

> > > > connection, sole messenger - Hermes! Monkeys have

> > > > been known to be

> > > > tamable and have been domesticated. Look at humans!

> > > > I rest my case!!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

around

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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Naliniji,

 

[] you mean you dont share the online persona perception that RRji

is arrogant!!

 

rishi

 

 

 

 

, "auromirra19" <nalini2818

wrote:

>

> RRji,

> Please let not what I wrote deter you at all, accomplished I am not,

> not by any account but suffered yes if you can call it suffering, I

> think it is a lesson plan of the various teachers of life's school.

> You know I did sometimes hate school, especially after I had

> finished up reading up the text books.

> RRji, I enjoy reading your posts, they are so full of 'life' 'Wit'.

> I would not think that you have nothing of value to offer,only you

> dont know the value of what you give. I remember and cherish every

> advice and words of wisdom you had for me at all times.I dont read

> some of what you write, I read all of it.

> Regards

> Nalini

> , "rohiniranjan" rrgb@

> wrote:

> >

> > Nalini,

> >

> > I was not talking about lifeplans made by humans when they

> graduate

> > from school and when they were children (like I wanted to be a

> pilot

> > and all I can boast in that area is that despite being somewhat

> > acrophobic on open ledges -- I have absolutely no fear of flying

> and

> > actually have always enjoyed flights -- even the bumpier ones

> where

> > your 'neighbours' puke!

> >

> > I am talking about the lifeplan that is hard to prove, has been

> > indicated (if that is any endorsement!) by psychics and saints

> that

> > the soul incarnates for a purpose and in specific surroundings

> (and

> > then risks going astray -- as we see around us all the time and

> > sometimes amongst ourselves and even within ourselves!)

> >

> > Do not underestimate the monkey! Sometimes it manifests through

> > other animals (planets) that it holds a sway over!

> >

> > Nalini, if this was a private conversation, I would not write

> this,

> > because you are already so accomplished and have suffered more

> than

> > most I know, by your account. So, please do not take this

> personally

> > as if aimed at you or I have anything of any value to offer to you

> > (as if I would even dare!) -- I keep on writing because there are

> > others who read some of what I write. Hopefully that is not too

> > arrogant or egoistical of me?

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "auromirra19"

> > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > >

> > > life-plan(s), did make lots of them and had them blown away

> pooh!!

> > > can we blame poor Hermes(already debilitated)or

> ascendant 'monkeys'

> > > or arudhas? I am sure we cannot.

> > > Life has plans for us and not the other way round, atleast for

> me.

> > > I am also in total agreement with RRji, you dont have to act or

> > > think when you are acting morally. because it is not a cloak you

> > > wear it when you like and throw it away when you choose

> > to, 'monkeys

> > > or no monkeys'. It is something so deeply woven into the fabric

> of

> > > your life, consciousness that it is a vital part of you an an

> > > individual.It is getting off your mighty moral high horse,

> > > tolerating lesser mortals, who are fallible, who make mistakes,

> > > typos,less learned, less articulate... before it becomes 'too

> > > soulful' for a jyotish forum,

> > > Regards

> > > Nalini

> > >

> > >

> > > , rishi shukla

> > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Perhaps, each soul enters in a new role in a human

> > > > birth with a given set of social, cultural and ethical

> > > > consciousness. It then goes through varied

> > > > experiences, some of them supporting its own set of

> > > > morality which is emerging from the combination of its

> > > > social, cultural and ethical processes. Here, these

> > > > three terms encompass religion, rituals, values ...and

> > > > many more.

> > > > These experiences or karmas therefore define an

> > > > individual sense of morality as against an externally

> > > > set of imposed moral values coming from the collective

> > > > group of human beings who share the journey of this

> > > > soul through the human life.

> > > > Where will this soul end up...is perhaps a function of

> > > > its evolution through time spent in this birth.

> > > > Humans and monkeys alike then act on their own sense

> > > > of dharma. We may end up with a different concept of

> > > > consciousness at the end of this life.

> > > > In my opinion, morality is as individual as the person

> > > > or his/her chart. Its the dharma or the duty; its the

> > > > karma or the process of this duty; its the phal or the

> > > > result of action; its the joy or the fulfillment of

> > > > kama..desires..and in this trikona of dahrma, karma

> > > > and kaam........we rarely are able to find the fourth

> > > > ..is it really the fourth angle..that of moksha.

> > > > Can we find this fourth dimension at all, is it not a

> > > > combination of the three dimensions.

> > > > The spatial linkages of planets in the chart, their

> > > > internal dymamics and the external ambience which

> > > > keeps acting with a force which cannot be explained

> > > > either by philosphy or physics push the native on the

> > > > road of life.

> > > >

> > > > I agree with RRji that 'You don't have to think and

> > > > act when you are acting

> > > > > morally, it

> > > > > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > > > > does not, it is

> > > > > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > > > > your horoscope is

> > > > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > > > > trying to get you

> > > > > in trouble.'

> > > > But how do I know what is my life-plan...only

> > > > questions!!!!

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > >

> > > > rishi

> > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dearly beloved!

> > > > >

> > > > > Can a chart be moral? Chart used in a loose sense

> > > > > here to

> > > > > mean, "nativity" -- the individual fragment of the

> > > > > SOUL (that we

> > > > > *know* precious little about personally other than

> > > > > clever words

> > > > > stolen from scriptures and other similar (or not!)

> > > > > sources!

> > > > >

> > > > > Toss that question in a jyotish forum and you will

> > > > > be hit with all

> > > > > kinds of combinations, arudhas, vargas, and even

> > > > > accounts of Dashas

> > > > > that made us moral or otherwise.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have always believed that morality is not a

> > > > > constant, and yet it

> > > > > does define our 'boundaries' of behaviour and

> > > > > actions. And it is

> > > > > learned early on in most cases, through personal

> > > > > experiences but

> > > > > mostly the models we identified with, adored and

> > > > > internalized. Now

> > > > > this should not be taken inflexibly. Criminals have

> > > > > turned into

> > > > > saints and have certainly given birth to saints.

> > > > > Sadly, saints or

> > > > > saintly humans have also given birth to rogues and

> > > > > without mincing

> > > > > words - dregs of humanity! I am sure each of you

> > > > > knows a few

> > > > > examples of either case, through personal experience

> > > > > or accounts

> > > > > that are reliable. If not, it is time to come out of

> > > > > your cave or

> > > > > down from your mountaintop and see how the remaining

> > > > > 7 billion live

> > > > > and experience reality! This is a request and not an

> > > > > imposition,

> > > > > expectation or directive ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > You don't have to think and act when you are acting

> > > > > morally, it

> > > > > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > > > > does not, it is

> > > > > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > > > > your horoscope is

> > > > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > > > > trying to get you

> > > > > in trouble. Some monkey of a planet that is good

> > > > > with words and

> > > > > seductive like you would not believe it! And poor

> > > > > venus gets all the

> > > > > bad press, and so do mars and nodes in certain

> > > > > circles!

> > > > >

> > > > > When so called "rational logic" and "clever words"

> > > > > entice your soul -

> > > > > - examine Hermes, the messenger in various layers

> > > > > (not just vargas!)

> > > > > of your human experience. Perhaps a pattern shall

> > > > > appear. Persevere

> > > > > since the 'monkey' can be tricky. And yet, it is the

> > > > > sole

> > > > > connection, sole messenger - Hermes! Monkeys have

> > > > > been known to be

> > > > > tamable and have been domesticated. Look at humans!

> > > > > I rest my case!!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

> around

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

Assumption -- one would jump to from your message that SUN cannot

bring into this world Kavis -- no matter how AWFUL :-)

 

Allow me to contradict you, dear friend -- there are not really that

many different paths to accommodate nearly 7 billion individuals!

Hence, either it is all random chaos or there are groups of

individual souls (cars) that must share the lane or indeed were

supposed to share the lane!

 

Isn't that what astrology too tells us? If there were not clusters

of commonalities, what would be the point of doing the mercury in

virgo and rahu in libra thing? Astrology would be meaningless

without lanes on the highway of Soul and each lane allowing several

to share the path but each still having a unique experience

(different cars, different music, different companions, different

joys, different sorrows, different -- you name it) and yet all

traveling in the same lane on the highway of life.

 

 

 

Oh and different destinations for each passenger in the same car!

How could I have forgotten to add that!

 

RR

 

, "rishi_2000in"

<rishi_2000in wrote:

>

> Maybe if there is someone to really decipher nature and the

charts.

> Cant be all logically explained away...that is why, the poet

> says...''jahan na pahunche ravi tahan pahunche kavi''..where even

> Sun cant permeate there the poet reaches.

> She wails to her beloved...'awaz de kar hame tum bulao, diye ki

> tarah na hamko jalao'' and the words echo in her mind....

> " Main saanson ke har taar mein bas rahan hoon,

> mein dharkan ke har raag mein baj rahan hoon

> jara dil ki janib nigahen jhukao....''

>

> Well Headmasters and students alike need to find their own path!!

>

>

>

>

>

> , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@>

> wrote:

> >

> > The obvious beginning in that case would be the chart/s of

saints

> > whose birthtimes are recent and accurate (no offense intended to

> > scriptural data).

> >

> > Why mess around with valedictorians <future potentials> when the

> > horoscopes of Headmasters are available?

> >

> > Do you agree?

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , rishi shukla

> > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Perhaps, each soul enters in a new role in a human

> > > birth with a given set of social, cultural and ethical

> > > consciousness. It then goes through varied

> > > experiences, some of them supporting its own set of

> > > morality which is emerging from the combination of its

> > > social, cultural and ethical processes. Here, these

> > > three terms encompass religion, rituals, values ...and

> > > many more.

> > > These experiences or karmas therefore define an

> > > individual sense of morality as against an externally

> > > set of imposed moral values coming from the collective

> > > group of human beings who share the journey of this

> > > soul through the human life.

> > > Where will this soul end up...is perhaps a function of

> > > its evolution through time spent in this birth.

> > > Humans and monkeys alike then act on their own sense

> > > of dharma. We may end up with a different concept of

> > > consciousness at the end of this life.

> > > In my opinion, morality is as individual as the person

> > > or his/her chart. Its the dharma or the duty; its the

> > > karma or the process of this duty; its the phal or the

> > > result of action; its the joy or the fulfillment of

> > > kama..desires..and in this trikona of dahrma, karma

> > > and kaam........we rarely are able to find the fourth

> > > ..is it really the fourth angle..that of moksha.

> > > Can we find this fourth dimension at all, is it not a

> > > combination of the three dimensions.

> > > The spatial linkages of planets in the chart, their

> > > internal dymamics and the external ambience which

> > > keeps acting with a force which cannot be explained

> > > either by philosphy or physics push the native on the

> > > road of life.

> > >

> > > I agree with RRji that 'You don't have to think and

> > > act when you are acting

> > > > morally, it

> > > > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > > > does not, it is

> > > > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > > > your horoscope is

> > > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > > > trying to get you

> > > > in trouble.'

> > > But how do I know what is my life-plan...only

> > > questions!!!!

> > >

> > > regards

> > >

> > > rishi

> > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dearly beloved!

> > > >

> > > > Can a chart be moral? Chart used in a loose sense

> > > > here to

> > > > mean, "nativity" -- the individual fragment of the

> > > > SOUL (that we

> > > > *know* precious little about personally other than

> > > > clever words

> > > > stolen from scriptures and other similar (or not!)

> > > > sources!

> > > >

> > > > Toss that question in a jyotish forum and you will

> > > > be hit with all

> > > > kinds of combinations, arudhas, vargas, and even

> > > > accounts of Dashas

> > > > that made us moral or otherwise.

> > > >

> > > > I have always believed that morality is not a

> > > > constant, and yet it

> > > > does define our 'boundaries' of behaviour and

> > > > actions. And it is

> > > > learned early on in most cases, through personal

> > > > experiences but

> > > > mostly the models we identified with, adored and

> > > > internalized. Now

> > > > this should not be taken inflexibly. Criminals have

> > > > turned into

> > > > saints and have certainly given birth to saints.

> > > > Sadly, saints or

> > > > saintly humans have also given birth to rogues and

> > > > without mincing

> > > > words - dregs of humanity! I am sure each of you

> > > > knows a few

> > > > examples of either case, through personal experience

> > > > or accounts

> > > > that are reliable. If not, it is time to come out of

> > > > your cave or

> > > > down from your mountaintop and see how the remaining

> > > > 7 billion live

> > > > and experience reality! This is a request and not an

> > > > imposition,

> > > > expectation or directive ;-)

> > > >

> > > > You don't have to think and act when you are acting

> > > > morally, it

> > > > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > > > does not, it is

> > > > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > > > your horoscope is

> > > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > > > trying to get you

> > > > in trouble. Some monkey of a planet that is good

> > > > with words and

> > > > seductive like you would not believe it! And poor

> > > > venus gets all the

> > > > bad press, and so do mars and nodes in certain

> > > > circles!

> > > >

> > > > When so called "rational logic" and "clever words"

> > > > entice your soul -

> > > > - examine Hermes, the messenger in various layers

> > > > (not just vargas!)

> > > > of your human experience. Perhaps a pattern shall

> > > > appear. Persevere

> > > > since the 'monkey' can be tricky. And yet, it is the

> > > > sole

> > > > connection, sole messenger - Hermes! Monkeys have

> > > > been known to be

> > > > tamable and have been domesticated. Look at humans!

> > > > I rest my case!!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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The Sun alone cannot , I would say, Sir

That is why in Jyotish you need the moon too and nakshatras to conjoin

and seperate and create and recreate , throw them together and create

various flavors.

 

Yes...the paths are not all that different, after all the beginning and

the end same for all 7 billion. That is why one gets many copassengers,

the Sun does directs us on the highway and it reaches all places but

then again the fine tuning not the prerogative of even the mighty Sun

alone!

Certain places..there is no sunshine... [] ...even you look votively

and its then one has to do what the poet says..'jara dil ki janib

nigahen jhukao'...look in you and there is sunshine!

 

But then you look up and there is nothing to see...but then that is not

what we are discussing.

 

Yes sir, we are in here exactly because astrology guides us along to

find the patterns and cycles of the flow of life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb

wrote:

>

> Assumption -- one would jump to from your message that SUN cannot

> bring into this world Kavis -- no matter how AWFUL :-)

>

> Allow me to contradict you, dear friend -- there are not really that

> many different paths to accommodate nearly 7 billion individuals!

> Hence, either it is all random chaos or there are groups of

> individual souls (cars) that must share the lane or indeed were

> supposed to share the lane!

>

> Isn't that what astrology too tells us? If there were not clusters

> of commonalities, what would be the point of doing the mercury in

> virgo and rahu in libra thing? Astrology would be meaningless

> without lanes on the highway of Soul and each lane allowing several

> to share the path but each still having a unique experience

> (different cars, different music, different companions, different

> joys, different sorrows, different -- you name it) and yet all

> traveling in the same lane on the highway of life.

>

>

>

> Oh and different destinations for each passenger in the same car!

> How could I have forgotten to add that!

>

> RR

>

> , "rishi_2000in"

> rishi_2000in@ wrote:

> >

> > Maybe if there is someone to really decipher nature and the

> charts.

> > Cant be all logically explained away...that is why, the poet

> > says...''jahan na pahunche ravi tahan pahunche kavi''..where even

> > Sun cant permeate there the poet reaches.

> > She wails to her beloved...'awaz de kar hame tum bulao, diye ki

> > tarah na hamko jalao'' and the words echo in her mind....

> > " Main saanson ke har taar mein bas rahan hoon,

> > mein dharkan ke har raag mein baj rahan hoon

> > jara dil ki janib nigahen jhukao....''

> >

> > Well Headmasters and students alike need to find their own path!!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > The obvious beginning in that case would be the chart/s of

> saints

> > > whose birthtimes are recent and accurate (no offense intended to

> > > scriptural data).

> > >

> > > Why mess around with valedictorians <future potentials> when the

> > > horoscopes of Headmasters are available?

> > >

> > > Do you agree?

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , rishi shukla

> > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Perhaps, each soul enters in a new role in a human

> > > > birth with a given set of social, cultural and ethical

> > > > consciousness. It then goes through varied

> > > > experiences, some of them supporting its own set of

> > > > morality which is emerging from the combination of its

> > > > social, cultural and ethical processes. Here, these

> > > > three terms encompass religion, rituals, values ...and

> > > > many more.

> > > > These experiences or karmas therefore define an

> > > > individual sense of morality as against an externally

> > > > set of imposed moral values coming from the collective

> > > > group of human beings who share the journey of this

> > > > soul through the human life.

> > > > Where will this soul end up...is perhaps a function of

> > > > its evolution through time spent in this birth.

> > > > Humans and monkeys alike then act on their own sense

> > > > of dharma. We may end up with a different concept of

> > > > consciousness at the end of this life.

> > > > In my opinion, morality is as individual as the person

> > > > or his/her chart. Its the dharma or the duty; its the

> > > > karma or the process of this duty; its the phal or the

> > > > result of action; its the joy or the fulfillment of

> > > > kama..desires..and in this trikona of dahrma, karma

> > > > and kaam........we rarely are able to find the fourth

> > > > ..is it really the fourth angle..that of moksha.

> > > > Can we find this fourth dimension at all, is it not a

> > > > combination of the three dimensions.

> > > > The spatial linkages of planets in the chart, their

> > > > internal dymamics and the external ambience which

> > > > keeps acting with a force which cannot be explained

> > > > either by philosphy or physics push the native on the

> > > > road of life.

> > > >

> > > > I agree with RRji that 'You don't have to think and

> > > > act when you are acting

> > > > > morally, it

> > > > > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > > > > does not, it is

> > > > > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > > > > your horoscope is

> > > > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > > > > trying to get you

> > > > > in trouble.'

> > > > But how do I know what is my life-plan...only

> > > > questions!!!!

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > >

> > > > rishi

> > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dearly beloved!

> > > > >

> > > > > Can a chart be moral? Chart used in a loose sense

> > > > > here to

> > > > > mean, "nativity" -- the individual fragment of the

> > > > > SOUL (that we

> > > > > *know* precious little about personally other than

> > > > > clever words

> > > > > stolen from scriptures and other similar (or not!)

> > > > > sources!

> > > > >

> > > > > Toss that question in a jyotish forum and you will

> > > > > be hit with all

> > > > > kinds of combinations, arudhas, vargas, and even

> > > > > accounts of Dashas

> > > > > that made us moral or otherwise.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have always believed that morality is not a

> > > > > constant, and yet it

> > > > > does define our 'boundaries' of behaviour and

> > > > > actions. And it is

> > > > > learned early on in most cases, through personal

> > > > > experiences but

> > > > > mostly the models we identified with, adored and

> > > > > internalized. Now

> > > > > this should not be taken inflexibly. Criminals have

> > > > > turned into

> > > > > saints and have certainly given birth to saints.

> > > > > Sadly, saints or

> > > > > saintly humans have also given birth to rogues and

> > > > > without mincing

> > > > > words - dregs of humanity! I am sure each of you

> > > > > knows a few

> > > > > examples of either case, through personal experience

> > > > > or accounts

> > > > > that are reliable. If not, it is time to come out of

> > > > > your cave or

> > > > > down from your mountaintop and see how the remaining

> > > > > 7 billion live

> > > > > and experience reality! This is a request and not an

> > > > > imposition,

> > > > > expectation or directive ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > You don't have to think and act when you are acting

> > > > > morally, it

> > > > > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > > > > does not, it is

> > > > > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > > > > your horoscope is

> > > > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > > > > trying to get you

> > > > > in trouble. Some monkey of a planet that is good

> > > > > with words and

> > > > > seductive like you would not believe it! And poor

> > > > > venus gets all the

> > > > > bad press, and so do mars and nodes in certain

> > > > > circles!

> > > > >

> > > > > When so called "rational logic" and "clever words"

> > > > > entice your soul -

> > > > > - examine Hermes, the messenger in various layers

> > > > > (not just vargas!)

> > > > > of your human experience. Perhaps a pattern shall

> > > > > appear. Persevere

> > > > > since the 'monkey' can be tricky. And yet, it is the

> > > > > sole

> > > > > connection, sole messenger - Hermes! Monkeys have

> > > > > been known to be

> > > > > tamable and have been domesticated. Look at humans!

> > > > > I rest my case!!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Nalini. It means a lot to me.

I must share, though that:

There are no teachers and curriculum planners, other than YOU

 

It is like the treasure that we all know for sure for sure lies out

there and is ours -- if only we had in our tiny hands the MAP.

 

We are all looking, some of us claim from time to time that they

have it, they know it!

 

They must be really generous and unselfish because they keep coming

back to us have-nots instead of digging that treasure for themselves!

 

Makes one wonder if they too need help in finding the treasure! Like

able-souled individuals to do the digging! Might not be a good idea

to turn your back towards them and lose sight of what they are

doing! For obvious reasons!! ;-)

 

RR

 

 

, "auromirra19"

<nalini2818 wrote:

>

> RRji,

> Please let not what I wrote deter you at all, accomplished I am

not,

> not by any account but suffered yes if you can call it suffering,

I

> think it is a lesson plan of the various teachers of life's school.

> You know I did sometimes hate school, especially after I had

> finished up reading up the text books.

> RRji, I enjoy reading your posts, they are so full of 'life' 'Wit'.

> I would not think that you have nothing of value to offer,only you

> dont know the value of what you give. I remember and cherish every

> advice and words of wisdom you had for me at all times.I dont read

> some of what you write, I read all of it.

> Regards

> Nalini

> , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nalini,

> >

> > I was not talking about lifeplans made by humans when they

> graduate

> > from school and when they were children (like I wanted to be a

> pilot

> > and all I can boast in that area is that despite being somewhat

> > acrophobic on open ledges -- I have absolutely no fear of flying

> and

> > actually have always enjoyed flights -- even the bumpier ones

> where

> > your 'neighbours' puke!

> >

> > I am talking about the lifeplan that is hard to prove, has been

> > indicated (if that is any endorsement!) by psychics and saints

> that

> > the soul incarnates for a purpose and in specific surroundings

> (and

> > then risks going astray -- as we see around us all the time and

> > sometimes amongst ourselves and even within ourselves!)

> >

> > Do not underestimate the monkey! Sometimes it manifests through

> > other animals (planets) that it holds a sway over!

> >

> > Nalini, if this was a private conversation, I would not write

> this,

> > because you are already so accomplished and have suffered more

> than

> > most I know, by your account. So, please do not take this

> personally

> > as if aimed at you or I have anything of any value to offer to

you

> > (as if I would even dare!) -- I keep on writing because there

are

> > others who read some of what I write. Hopefully that is not too

> > arrogant or egoistical of me?

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "auromirra19"

> > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > >

> > > life-plan(s), did make lots of them and had them blown away

> pooh!!

> > > can we blame poor Hermes(already debilitated)or

> ascendant 'monkeys'

> > > or arudhas? I am sure we cannot.

> > > Life has plans for us and not the other way round, atleast for

> me.

> > > I am also in total agreement with RRji, you dont have to act

or

> > > think when you are acting morally. because it is not a cloak

you

> > > wear it when you like and throw it away when you choose

> > to, 'monkeys

> > > or no monkeys'. It is something so deeply woven into the

fabric

> of

> > > your life, consciousness that it is a vital part of you an an

> > > individual.It is getting off your mighty moral high horse,

> > > tolerating lesser mortals, who are fallible, who make

mistakes,

> > > typos,less learned, less articulate... before it becomes 'too

> > > soulful' for a jyotish forum,

> > > Regards

> > > Nalini

> > >

> > >

> > > , rishi shukla

> > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Perhaps, each soul enters in a new role in a human

> > > > birth with a given set of social, cultural and ethical

> > > > consciousness. It then goes through varied

> > > > experiences, some of them supporting its own set of

> > > > morality which is emerging from the combination of its

> > > > social, cultural and ethical processes. Here, these

> > > > three terms encompass religion, rituals, values ...and

> > > > many more.

> > > > These experiences or karmas therefore define an

> > > > individual sense of morality as against an externally

> > > > set of imposed moral values coming from the collective

> > > > group of human beings who share the journey of this

> > > > soul through the human life.

> > > > Where will this soul end up...is perhaps a function of

> > > > its evolution through time spent in this birth.

> > > > Humans and monkeys alike then act on their own sense

> > > > of dharma. We may end up with a different concept of

> > > > consciousness at the end of this life.

> > > > In my opinion, morality is as individual as the person

> > > > or his/her chart. Its the dharma or the duty; its the

> > > > karma or the process of this duty; its the phal or the

> > > > result of action; its the joy or the fulfillment of

> > > > kama..desires..and in this trikona of dahrma, karma

> > > > and kaam........we rarely are able to find the fourth

> > > > ..is it really the fourth angle..that of moksha.

> > > > Can we find this fourth dimension at all, is it not a

> > > > combination of the three dimensions.

> > > > The spatial linkages of planets in the chart, their

> > > > internal dymamics and the external ambience which

> > > > keeps acting with a force which cannot be explained

> > > > either by philosphy or physics push the native on the

> > > > road of life.

> > > >

> > > > I agree with RRji that 'You don't have to think and

> > > > act when you are acting

> > > > > morally, it

> > > > > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > > > > does not, it is

> > > > > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > > > > your horoscope is

> > > > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > > > > trying to get you

> > > > > in trouble.'

> > > > But how do I know what is my life-plan...only

> > > > questions!!!!

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > >

> > > > rishi

> > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dearly beloved!

> > > > >

> > > > > Can a chart be moral? Chart used in a loose sense

> > > > > here to

> > > > > mean, "nativity" -- the individual fragment of the

> > > > > SOUL (that we

> > > > > *know* precious little about personally other than

> > > > > clever words

> > > > > stolen from scriptures and other similar (or not!)

> > > > > sources!

> > > > >

> > > > > Toss that question in a jyotish forum and you will

> > > > > be hit with all

> > > > > kinds of combinations, arudhas, vargas, and even

> > > > > accounts of Dashas

> > > > > that made us moral or otherwise.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have always believed that morality is not a

> > > > > constant, and yet it

> > > > > does define our 'boundaries' of behaviour and

> > > > > actions. And it is

> > > > > learned early on in most cases, through personal

> > > > > experiences but

> > > > > mostly the models we identified with, adored and

> > > > > internalized. Now

> > > > > this should not be taken inflexibly. Criminals have

> > > > > turned into

> > > > > saints and have certainly given birth to saints.

> > > > > Sadly, saints or

> > > > > saintly humans have also given birth to rogues and

> > > > > without mincing

> > > > > words - dregs of humanity! I am sure each of you

> > > > > knows a few

> > > > > examples of either case, through personal experience

> > > > > or accounts

> > > > > that are reliable. If not, it is time to come out of

> > > > > your cave or

> > > > > down from your mountaintop and see how the remaining

> > > > > 7 billion live

> > > > > and experience reality! This is a request and not an

> > > > > imposition,

> > > > > expectation or directive ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > You don't have to think and act when you are acting

> > > > > morally, it

> > > > > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > > > > does not, it is

> > > > > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > > > > your horoscope is

> > > > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > > > > trying to get you

> > > > > in trouble. Some monkey of a planet that is good

> > > > > with words and

> > > > > seductive like you would not believe it! And poor

> > > > > venus gets all the

> > > > > bad press, and so do mars and nodes in certain

> > > > > circles!

> > > > >

> > > > > When so called "rational logic" and "clever words"

> > > > > entice your soul -

> > > > > - examine Hermes, the messenger in various layers

> > > > > (not just vargas!)

> > > > > of your human experience. Perhaps a pattern shall

> > > > > appear. Persevere

> > > > > since the 'monkey' can be tricky. And yet, it is the

> > > > > sole

> > > > > connection, sole messenger - Hermes! Monkeys have

> > > > > been known to be

> > > > > tamable and have been domesticated. Look at humans!

> > > > > I rest my case!!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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> around

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As the wise French say: Touche'

 

, "rishi_2000in"

<rishi_2000in wrote:

>

>

> The Sun alone cannot , I would say, Sir

> That is why in Jyotish you need the moon too and nakshatras to

conjoin

> and seperate and create and recreate , throw them together and

create

> various flavors.

>

> Yes...the paths are not all that different, after all the

beginning and

> the end same for all 7 billion. That is why one gets many

copassengers,

> the Sun does directs us on the highway and it reaches all places

but

> then again the fine tuning not the prerogative of even the mighty

Sun

> alone!

> Certain places..there is no sunshine... [] ...even you look

votively

> and its then one has to do what the poet says..'jara dil ki janib

> nigahen jhukao'...look in you and there is sunshine!

>

> But then you look up and there is nothing to see...but then that

is not

> what we are discussing.

>

> Yes sir, we are in here exactly because astrology guides us along

to

> find the patterns and cycles of the flow of life.

>

>

>

>

>

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Assumption -- one would jump to from your message that SUN cannot

> > bring into this world Kavis -- no matter how AWFUL :-)

> >

> > Allow me to contradict you, dear friend -- there are not really

that

> > many different paths to accommodate nearly 7 billion individuals!

> > Hence, either it is all random chaos or there are groups of

> > individual souls (cars) that must share the lane or indeed were

> > supposed to share the lane!

> >

> > Isn't that what astrology too tells us? If there were not

clusters

> > of commonalities, what would be the point of doing the mercury in

> > virgo and rahu in libra thing? Astrology would be meaningless

> > without lanes on the highway of Soul and each lane allowing

several

> > to share the path but each still having a unique experience

> > (different cars, different music, different companions, different

> > joys, different sorrows, different -- you name it) and yet all

> > traveling in the same lane on the highway of life.

> >

> >

> >

> > Oh and different destinations for each passenger in the same car!

> > How could I have forgotten to add that!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "rishi_2000in"

> > rishi_2000in@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Maybe if there is someone to really decipher nature and the

> > charts.

> > > Cant be all logically explained away...that is why, the poet

> > > says...''jahan na pahunche ravi tahan pahunche kavi''..where

even

> > > Sun cant permeate there the poet reaches.

> > > She wails to her beloved...'awaz de kar hame tum bulao, diye ki

> > > tarah na hamko jalao'' and the words echo in her mind....

> > > " Main saanson ke har taar mein bas rahan hoon,

> > > mein dharkan ke har raag mein baj rahan hoon

> > > jara dil ki janib nigahen jhukao....''

> > >

> > > Well Headmasters and students alike need to find their own

path!!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > The obvious beginning in that case would be the chart/s of

> > saints

> > > > whose birthtimes are recent and accurate (no offense

intended to

> > > > scriptural data).

> > > >

> > > > Why mess around with valedictorians <future potentials> when

the

> > > > horoscopes of Headmasters are available?

> > > >

> > > > Do you agree?

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , rishi shukla

> > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Perhaps, each soul enters in a new role in a human

> > > > > birth with a given set of social, cultural and ethical

> > > > > consciousness. It then goes through varied

> > > > > experiences, some of them supporting its own set of

> > > > > morality which is emerging from the combination of its

> > > > > social, cultural and ethical processes. Here, these

> > > > > three terms encompass religion, rituals, values ...and

> > > > > many more.

> > > > > These experiences or karmas therefore define an

> > > > > individual sense of morality as against an externally

> > > > > set of imposed moral values coming from the collective

> > > > > group of human beings who share the journey of this

> > > > > soul through the human life.

> > > > > Where will this soul end up...is perhaps a function of

> > > > > its evolution through time spent in this birth.

> > > > > Humans and monkeys alike then act on their own sense

> > > > > of dharma. We may end up with a different concept of

> > > > > consciousness at the end of this life.

> > > > > In my opinion, morality is as individual as the person

> > > > > or his/her chart. Its the dharma or the duty; its the

> > > > > karma or the process of this duty; its the phal or the

> > > > > result of action; its the joy or the fulfillment of

> > > > > kama..desires..and in this trikona of dahrma, karma

> > > > > and kaam........we rarely are able to find the fourth

> > > > > ..is it really the fourth angle..that of moksha.

> > > > > Can we find this fourth dimension at all, is it not a

> > > > > combination of the three dimensions.

> > > > > The spatial linkages of planets in the chart, their

> > > > > internal dymamics and the external ambience which

> > > > > keeps acting with a force which cannot be explained

> > > > > either by philosphy or physics push the native on the

> > > > > road of life.

> > > > >

> > > > > I agree with RRji that 'You don't have to think and

> > > > > act when you are acting

> > > > > > morally, it

> > > > > > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > > > > > does not, it is

> > > > > > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > > > > > your horoscope is

> > > > > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > > > > > trying to get you

> > > > > > in trouble.'

> > > > > But how do I know what is my life-plan...only

> > > > > questions!!!!

> > > > >

> > > > > regards

> > > > >

> > > > > rishi

> > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dearly beloved!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can a chart be moral? Chart used in a loose sense

> > > > > > here to

> > > > > > mean, "nativity" -- the individual fragment of the

> > > > > > SOUL (that we

> > > > > > *know* precious little about personally other than

> > > > > > clever words

> > > > > > stolen from scriptures and other similar (or not!)

> > > > > > sources!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Toss that question in a jyotish forum and you will

> > > > > > be hit with all

> > > > > > kinds of combinations, arudhas, vargas, and even

> > > > > > accounts of Dashas

> > > > > > that made us moral or otherwise.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have always believed that morality is not a

> > > > > > constant, and yet it

> > > > > > does define our 'boundaries' of behaviour and

> > > > > > actions. And it is

> > > > > > learned early on in most cases, through personal

> > > > > > experiences but

> > > > > > mostly the models we identified with, adored and

> > > > > > internalized. Now

> > > > > > this should not be taken inflexibly. Criminals have

> > > > > > turned into

> > > > > > saints and have certainly given birth to saints.

> > > > > > Sadly, saints or

> > > > > > saintly humans have also given birth to rogues and

> > > > > > without mincing

> > > > > > words - dregs of humanity! I am sure each of you

> > > > > > knows a few

> > > > > > examples of either case, through personal experience

> > > > > > or accounts

> > > > > > that are reliable. If not, it is time to come out of

> > > > > > your cave or

> > > > > > down from your mountaintop and see how the remaining

> > > > > > 7 billion live

> > > > > > and experience reality! This is a request and not an

> > > > > > imposition,

> > > > > > expectation or directive ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You don't have to think and act when you are acting

> > > > > > morally, it

> > > > > > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > > > > > does not, it is

> > > > > > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > > > > > your horoscope is

> > > > > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > > > > > trying to get you

> > > > > > in trouble. Some monkey of a planet that is good

> > > > > > with words and

> > > > > > seductive like you would not believe it! And poor

> > > > > > venus gets all the

> > > > > > bad press, and so do mars and nodes in certain

> > > > > > circles!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When so called "rational logic" and "clever words"

> > > > > > entice your soul -

> > > > > > - examine Hermes, the messenger in various layers

> > > > > > (not just vargas!)

> > > > > > of your human experience. Perhaps a pattern shall

> > > > > > appear. Persevere

> > > > > > since the 'monkey' can be tricky. And yet, it is the

> > > > > > sole

> > > > > > connection, sole messenger - Hermes! Monkeys have

> > > > > > been known to be

> > > > > > tamable and have been domesticated. Look at humans!

> > > > > > I rest my case!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

> > around

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Rishiji,

With all respects and regards, Nazar jhuke ,No I would not, that is

agree that he is arrogant. assertive, vociferous,aggressive may be,

may be I am biased because as an individual, as revealed to and

perceived by me, he is too sensitive and full of concern to be

classed arrogant.

"This is not because I am afraid of being sued for defamation"

Nalini

-- In , "rishi_2000in"

<rishi_2000in wrote:

>

>

> Naliniji,

>

> [] you mean you dont share the online persona perception that

RRji

> is arrogant!!

>

> rishi

>

>

>

>

> , "auromirra19"

<nalini2818@>

> wrote:

> >

> > RRji,

> > Please let not what I wrote deter you at all, accomplished I am

not,

> > not by any account but suffered yes if you can call it

suffering, I

> > think it is a lesson plan of the various teachers of life's

school.

> > You know I did sometimes hate school, especially after I had

> > finished up reading up the text books.

> > RRji, I enjoy reading your posts, they are so full

of 'life' 'Wit'.

> > I would not think that you have nothing of value to offer,only

you

> > dont know the value of what you give. I remember and cherish

every

> > advice and words of wisdom you had for me at all times.I dont

read

> > some of what you write, I read all of it.

> > Regards

> > Nalini

> > , "rohiniranjan" rrgb@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nalini,

> > >

> > > I was not talking about lifeplans made by humans when they

> > graduate

> > > from school and when they were children (like I wanted to be a

> > pilot

> > > and all I can boast in that area is that despite being somewhat

> > > acrophobic on open ledges -- I have absolutely no fear of

flying

> > and

> > > actually have always enjoyed flights -- even the bumpier ones

> > where

> > > your 'neighbours' puke!

> > >

> > > I am talking about the lifeplan that is hard to prove, has been

> > > indicated (if that is any endorsement!) by psychics and saints

> > that

> > > the soul incarnates for a purpose and in specific surroundings

> > (and

> > > then risks going astray -- as we see around us all the time and

> > > sometimes amongst ourselves and even within ourselves!)

> > >

> > > Do not underestimate the monkey! Sometimes it manifests through

> > > other animals (planets) that it holds a sway over!

> > >

> > > Nalini, if this was a private conversation, I would not write

> > this,

> > > because you are already so accomplished and have suffered more

> > than

> > > most I know, by your account. So, please do not take this

> > personally

> > > as if aimed at you or I have anything of any value to offer to

you

> > > (as if I would even dare!) -- I keep on writing because there

are

> > > others who read some of what I write. Hopefully that is not too

> > > arrogant or egoistical of me?

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , "auromirra19"

> > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > life-plan(s), did make lots of them and had them blown away

> > pooh!!

> > > > can we blame poor Hermes(already debilitated)or

> > ascendant 'monkeys'

> > > > or arudhas? I am sure we cannot.

> > > > Life has plans for us and not the other way round, atleast

for

> > me.

> > > > I am also in total agreement with RRji, you dont have to act

or

> > > > think when you are acting morally. because it is not a cloak

you

> > > > wear it when you like and throw it away when you choose

> > > to, 'monkeys

> > > > or no monkeys'. It is something so deeply woven into the

fabric

> > of

> > > > your life, consciousness that it is a vital part of you an an

> > > > individual.It is getting off your mighty moral high horse,

> > > > tolerating lesser mortals, who are fallible, who make

mistakes,

> > > > typos,less learned, less articulate... before it becomes 'too

> > > > soulful' for a jyotish forum,

> > > > Regards

> > > > Nalini

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , rishi shukla

> > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Perhaps, each soul enters in a new role in a human

> > > > > birth with a given set of social, cultural and ethical

> > > > > consciousness. It then goes through varied

> > > > > experiences, some of them supporting its own set of

> > > > > morality which is emerging from the combination of its

> > > > > social, cultural and ethical processes. Here, these

> > > > > three terms encompass religion, rituals, values ...and

> > > > > many more.

> > > > > These experiences or karmas therefore define an

> > > > > individual sense of morality as against an externally

> > > > > set of imposed moral values coming from the collective

> > > > > group of human beings who share the journey of this

> > > > > soul through the human life.

> > > > > Where will this soul end up...is perhaps a function of

> > > > > its evolution through time spent in this birth.

> > > > > Humans and monkeys alike then act on their own sense

> > > > > of dharma. We may end up with a different concept of

> > > > > consciousness at the end of this life.

> > > > > In my opinion, morality is as individual as the person

> > > > > or his/her chart. Its the dharma or the duty; its the

> > > > > karma or the process of this duty; its the phal or the

> > > > > result of action; its the joy or the fulfillment of

> > > > > kama..desires..and in this trikona of dahrma, karma

> > > > > and kaam........we rarely are able to find the fourth

> > > > > ..is it really the fourth angle..that of moksha.

> > > > > Can we find this fourth dimension at all, is it not a

> > > > > combination of the three dimensions.

> > > > > The spatial linkages of planets in the chart, their

> > > > > internal dymamics and the external ambience which

> > > > > keeps acting with a force which cannot be explained

> > > > > either by philosphy or physics push the native on the

> > > > > road of life.

> > > > >

> > > > > I agree with RRji that 'You don't have to think and

> > > > > act when you are acting

> > > > > > morally, it

> > > > > > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > > > > > does not, it is

> > > > > > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > > > > > your horoscope is

> > > > > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > > > > > trying to get you

> > > > > > in trouble.'

> > > > > But how do I know what is my life-plan...only

> > > > > questions!!!!

> > > > >

> > > > > regards

> > > > >

> > > > > rishi

> > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dearly beloved!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can a chart be moral? Chart used in a loose sense

> > > > > > here to

> > > > > > mean, "nativity" -- the individual fragment of the

> > > > > > SOUL (that we

> > > > > > *know* precious little about personally other than

> > > > > > clever words

> > > > > > stolen from scriptures and other similar (or not!)

> > > > > > sources!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Toss that question in a jyotish forum and you will

> > > > > > be hit with all

> > > > > > kinds of combinations, arudhas, vargas, and even

> > > > > > accounts of Dashas

> > > > > > that made us moral or otherwise.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have always believed that morality is not a

> > > > > > constant, and yet it

> > > > > > does define our 'boundaries' of behaviour and

> > > > > > actions. And it is

> > > > > > learned early on in most cases, through personal

> > > > > > experiences but

> > > > > > mostly the models we identified with, adored and

> > > > > > internalized. Now

> > > > > > this should not be taken inflexibly. Criminals have

> > > > > > turned into

> > > > > > saints and have certainly given birth to saints.

> > > > > > Sadly, saints or

> > > > > > saintly humans have also given birth to rogues and

> > > > > > without mincing

> > > > > > words - dregs of humanity! I am sure each of you

> > > > > > knows a few

> > > > > > examples of either case, through personal experience

> > > > > > or accounts

> > > > > > that are reliable. If not, it is time to come out of

> > > > > > your cave or

> > > > > > down from your mountaintop and see how the remaining

> > > > > > 7 billion live

> > > > > > and experience reality! This is a request and not an

> > > > > > imposition,

> > > > > > expectation or directive ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You don't have to think and act when you are acting

> > > > > > morally, it

> > > > > > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > > > > > does not, it is

> > > > > > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > > > > > your horoscope is

> > > > > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > > > > > trying to get you

> > > > > > in trouble. Some monkey of a planet that is good

> > > > > > with words and

> > > > > > seductive like you would not believe it! And poor

> > > > > > venus gets all the

> > > > > > bad press, and so do mars and nodes in certain

> > > > > > circles!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When so called "rational logic" and "clever words"

> > > > > > entice your soul -

> > > > > > - examine Hermes, the messenger in various layers

> > > > > > (not just vargas!)

> > > > > > of your human experience. Perhaps a pattern shall

> > > > > > appear. Persevere

> > > > > > since the 'monkey' can be tricky. And yet, it is the

> > > > > > sole

> > > > > > connection, sole messenger - Hermes! Monkeys have

> > > > > > been known to be

> > > > > > tamable and have been domesticated. Look at humans!

> > > > > > I rest my case!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

> > around

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hmm lets take a poll then for in my opinion RRji comes across, as

one of the most compassionate, affectionate ppl going around on

these net forums, added to it is his sheer brilliance and knowledge

combined with a wise balanced worldview.

Yet, I am told that he is viewed as arrogant and conceited. I think

that such views are of a miniscule minority.

All those who agree with Naliniji and me..dont say anything.

Others may comment!

 

 

 

, "auromirra19"

<nalini2818 wrote:

>

> Rishiji,

> With all respects and regards, Nazar jhuke ,No I would not, that

is

> agree that he is arrogant. assertive, vociferous,aggressive may

be,

> may be I am biased because as an individual, as revealed to and

> perceived by me, he is too sensitive and full of concern to be

> classed arrogant.

> "This is not because I am afraid of being sued for defamation"

> Nalini

> -- In , "rishi_2000in"

> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Naliniji,

> >

> > [] you mean you dont share the online persona perception

that

> RRji

> > is arrogant!!

> >

> > rishi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "auromirra19"

> <nalini2818@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > RRji,

> > > Please let not what I wrote deter you at all, accomplished I

am

> not,

> > > not by any account but suffered yes if you can call it

> suffering, I

> > > think it is a lesson plan of the various teachers of life's

> school.

> > > You know I did sometimes hate school, especially after I had

> > > finished up reading up the text books.

> > > RRji, I enjoy reading your posts, they are so full

> of 'life' 'Wit'.

> > > I would not think that you have nothing of value to offer,only

> you

> > > dont know the value of what you give. I remember and cherish

> every

> > > advice and words of wisdom you had for me at all times.I dont

> read

> > > some of what you write, I read all of it.

> > > Regards

> > > Nalini

> > > , "rohiniranjan" rrgb@

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nalini,

> > > >

> > > > I was not talking about lifeplans made by humans when they

> > > graduate

> > > > from school and when they were children (like I wanted to be

a

> > > pilot

> > > > and all I can boast in that area is that despite being

somewhat

> > > > acrophobic on open ledges -- I have absolutely no fear of

> flying

> > > and

> > > > actually have always enjoyed flights -- even the bumpier ones

> > > where

> > > > your 'neighbours' puke!

> > > >

> > > > I am talking about the lifeplan that is hard to prove, has

been

> > > > indicated (if that is any endorsement!) by psychics and

saints

> > > that

> > > > the soul incarnates for a purpose and in specific

surroundings

> > > (and

> > > > then risks going astray -- as we see around us all the time

and

> > > > sometimes amongst ourselves and even within ourselves!)

> > > >

> > > > Do not underestimate the monkey! Sometimes it manifests

through

> > > > other animals (planets) that it holds a sway over!

> > > >

> > > > Nalini, if this was a private conversation, I would not write

> > > this,

> > > > because you are already so accomplished and have suffered

more

> > > than

> > > > most I know, by your account. So, please do not take this

> > > personally

> > > > as if aimed at you or I have anything of any value to offer

to

> you

> > > > (as if I would even dare!) -- I keep on writing because

there

> are

> > > > others who read some of what I write. Hopefully that is not

too

> > > > arrogant or egoistical of me?

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , "auromirra19"

> > > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > life-plan(s), did make lots of them and had them blown away

> > > pooh!!

> > > > > can we blame poor Hermes(already debilitated)or

> > > ascendant 'monkeys'

> > > > > or arudhas? I am sure we cannot.

> > > > > Life has plans for us and not the other way round, atleast

> for

> > > me.

> > > > > I am also in total agreement with RRji, you dont have to

act

> or

> > > > > think when you are acting morally. because it is not a

cloak

> you

> > > > > wear it when you like and throw it away when you choose

> > > > to, 'monkeys

> > > > > or no monkeys'. It is something so deeply woven into the

> fabric

> > > of

> > > > > your life, consciousness that it is a vital part of you an

an

> > > > > individual.It is getting off your mighty moral high horse,

> > > > > tolerating lesser mortals, who are fallible, who make

> mistakes,

> > > > > typos,less learned, less articulate... before it

becomes 'too

> > > > > soulful' for a jyotish forum,

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Nalini

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , rishi shukla

> > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Perhaps, each soul enters in a new role in a human

> > > > > > birth with a given set of social, cultural and ethical

> > > > > > consciousness. It then goes through varied

> > > > > > experiences, some of them supporting its own set of

> > > > > > morality which is emerging from the combination of its

> > > > > > social, cultural and ethical processes. Here, these

> > > > > > three terms encompass religion, rituals, values ...and

> > > > > > many more.

> > > > > > These experiences or karmas therefore define an

> > > > > > individual sense of morality as against an externally

> > > > > > set of imposed moral values coming from the collective

> > > > > > group of human beings who share the journey of this

> > > > > > soul through the human life.

> > > > > > Where will this soul end up...is perhaps a function of

> > > > > > its evolution through time spent in this birth.

> > > > > > Humans and monkeys alike then act on their own sense

> > > > > > of dharma. We may end up with a different concept of

> > > > > > consciousness at the end of this life.

> > > > > > In my opinion, morality is as individual as the person

> > > > > > or his/her chart. Its the dharma or the duty; its the

> > > > > > karma or the process of this duty; its the phal or the

> > > > > > result of action; its the joy or the fulfillment of

> > > > > > kama..desires..and in this trikona of dahrma, karma

> > > > > > and kaam........we rarely are able to find the fourth

> > > > > > ..is it really the fourth angle..that of moksha.

> > > > > > Can we find this fourth dimension at all, is it not a

> > > > > > combination of the three dimensions.

> > > > > > The spatial linkages of planets in the chart, their

> > > > > > internal dymamics and the external ambience which

> > > > > > keeps acting with a force which cannot be explained

> > > > > > either by philosphy or physics push the native on the

> > > > > > road of life.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I agree with RRji that 'You don't have to think and

> > > > > > act when you are acting

> > > > > > > morally, it

> > > > > > > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > > > > > > does not, it is

> > > > > > > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > > > > > > your horoscope is

> > > > > > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > > > > > > trying to get you

> > > > > > > in trouble.'

> > > > > > But how do I know what is my life-plan...only

> > > > > > questions!!!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rishi

> > > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dearly beloved!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Can a chart be moral? Chart used in a loose sense

> > > > > > > here to

> > > > > > > mean, "nativity" -- the individual fragment of the

> > > > > > > SOUL (that we

> > > > > > > *know* precious little about personally other than

> > > > > > > clever words

> > > > > > > stolen from scriptures and other similar (or not!)

> > > > > > > sources!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Toss that question in a jyotish forum and you will

> > > > > > > be hit with all

> > > > > > > kinds of combinations, arudhas, vargas, and even

> > > > > > > accounts of Dashas

> > > > > > > that made us moral or otherwise.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have always believed that morality is not a

> > > > > > > constant, and yet it

> > > > > > > does define our 'boundaries' of behaviour and

> > > > > > > actions. And it is

> > > > > > > learned early on in most cases, through personal

> > > > > > > experiences but

> > > > > > > mostly the models we identified with, adored and

> > > > > > > internalized. Now

> > > > > > > this should not be taken inflexibly. Criminals have

> > > > > > > turned into

> > > > > > > saints and have certainly given birth to saints.

> > > > > > > Sadly, saints or

> > > > > > > saintly humans have also given birth to rogues and

> > > > > > > without mincing

> > > > > > > words - dregs of humanity! I am sure each of you

> > > > > > > knows a few

> > > > > > > examples of either case, through personal experience

> > > > > > > or accounts

> > > > > > > that are reliable. If not, it is time to come out of

> > > > > > > your cave or

> > > > > > > down from your mountaintop and see how the remaining

> > > > > > > 7 billion live

> > > > > > > and experience reality! This is a request and not an

> > > > > > > imposition,

> > > > > > > expectation or directive ;-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You don't have to think and act when you are acting

> > > > > > > morally, it

> > > > > > > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > > > > > > does not, it is

> > > > > > > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > > > > > > your horoscope is

> > > > > > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > > > > > > trying to get you

> > > > > > > in trouble. Some monkey of a planet that is good

> > > > > > > with words and

> > > > > > > seductive like you would not believe it! And poor

> > > > > > > venus gets all the

> > > > > > > bad press, and so do mars and nodes in certain

> > > > > > > circles!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When so called "rational logic" and "clever words"

> > > > > > > entice your soul -

> > > > > > > - examine Hermes, the messenger in various layers

> > > > > > > (not just vargas!)

> > > > > > > of your human experience. Perhaps a pattern shall

> > > > > > > appear. Persevere

> > > > > > > since the 'monkey' can be tricky. And yet, it is the

> > > > > > > sole

> > > > > > > connection, sole messenger - Hermes! Monkeys have

> > > > > > > been known to be

> > > > > > > tamable and have been domesticated. Look at humans!

> > > > > > > I rest my case!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

> > > around

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

RRji,

How we would all love to lay hands on that MAP. We think we have it

gotcha, but nay it is not the right one, one that leads to the

hidden treasure, so we keep searching for the MAP, get hold of

another map only to know, again it is not the MAP and keep digging

on on....

Nalini

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb

wrote:

>

> Thanks Nalini. It means a lot to me.

> I must share, though that:

> There are no teachers and curriculum planners, other than YOU

>

> It is like the treasure that we all know for sure for sure lies

out

> there and is ours -- if only we had in our tiny hands the MAP.

>

> We are all looking, some of us claim from time to time that they

> have it, they know it!

>

> They must be really generous and unselfish because they keep

coming

> back to us have-nots instead of digging that treasure for

themselves!

>

> Makes one wonder if they too need help in finding the treasure!

Like

> able-souled individuals to do the digging! Might not be a good

idea

> to turn your back towards them and lose sight of what they are

> doing! For obvious reasons!! ;-)

>

> RR

>

>

> , "auromirra19"

> <nalini2818@> wrote:

> >

> > RRji,

> > Please let not what I wrote deter you at all, accomplished I am

> not,

> > not by any account but suffered yes if you can call it

suffering,

> I

> > think it is a lesson plan of the various teachers of life's

school.

> > You know I did sometimes hate school, especially after I had

> > finished up reading up the text books.

> > RRji, I enjoy reading your posts, they are so full

of 'life' 'Wit'.

> > I would not think that you have nothing of value to offer,only

you

> > dont know the value of what you give. I remember and cherish

every

> > advice and words of wisdom you had for me at all times.I dont

read

> > some of what you write, I read all of it.

> > Regards

> > Nalini

> > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nalini,

> > >

> > > I was not talking about lifeplans made by humans when they

> > graduate

> > > from school and when they were children (like I wanted to be a

> > pilot

> > > and all I can boast in that area is that despite being

somewhat

> > > acrophobic on open ledges -- I have absolutely no fear of

flying

> > and

> > > actually have always enjoyed flights -- even the bumpier ones

> > where

> > > your 'neighbours' puke!

> > >

> > > I am talking about the lifeplan that is hard to prove, has

been

> > > indicated (if that is any endorsement!) by psychics and saints

> > that

> > > the soul incarnates for a purpose and in specific surroundings

> > (and

> > > then risks going astray -- as we see around us all the time

and

> > > sometimes amongst ourselves and even within ourselves!)

> > >

> > > Do not underestimate the monkey! Sometimes it manifests

through

> > > other animals (planets) that it holds a sway over!

> > >

> > > Nalini, if this was a private conversation, I would not write

> > this,

> > > because you are already so accomplished and have suffered more

> > than

> > > most I know, by your account. So, please do not take this

> > personally

> > > as if aimed at you or I have anything of any value to offer to

> you

> > > (as if I would even dare!) -- I keep on writing because there

> are

> > > others who read some of what I write. Hopefully that is not

too

> > > arrogant or egoistical of me?

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , "auromirra19"

> > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > life-plan(s), did make lots of them and had them blown away

> > pooh!!

> > > > can we blame poor Hermes(already debilitated)or

> > ascendant 'monkeys'

> > > > or arudhas? I am sure we cannot.

> > > > Life has plans for us and not the other way round, atleast

for

> > me.

> > > > I am also in total agreement with RRji, you dont have to act

> or

> > > > think when you are acting morally. because it is not a cloak

> you

> > > > wear it when you like and throw it away when you choose

> > > to, 'monkeys

> > > > or no monkeys'. It is something so deeply woven into the

> fabric

> > of

> > > > your life, consciousness that it is a vital part of you an

an

> > > > individual.It is getting off your mighty moral high horse,

> > > > tolerating lesser mortals, who are fallible, who make

> mistakes,

> > > > typos,less learned, less articulate... before it

becomes 'too

> > > > soulful' for a jyotish forum,

> > > > Regards

> > > > Nalini

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , rishi shukla

> > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Perhaps, each soul enters in a new role in a human

> > > > > birth with a given set of social, cultural and ethical

> > > > > consciousness. It then goes through varied

> > > > > experiences, some of them supporting its own set of

> > > > > morality which is emerging from the combination of its

> > > > > social, cultural and ethical processes. Here, these

> > > > > three terms encompass religion, rituals, values ...and

> > > > > many more.

> > > > > These experiences or karmas therefore define an

> > > > > individual sense of morality as against an externally

> > > > > set of imposed moral values coming from the collective

> > > > > group of human beings who share the journey of this

> > > > > soul through the human life.

> > > > > Where will this soul end up...is perhaps a function of

> > > > > its evolution through time spent in this birth.

> > > > > Humans and monkeys alike then act on their own sense

> > > > > of dharma. We may end up with a different concept of

> > > > > consciousness at the end of this life.

> > > > > In my opinion, morality is as individual as the person

> > > > > or his/her chart. Its the dharma or the duty; its the

> > > > > karma or the process of this duty; its the phal or the

> > > > > result of action; its the joy or the fulfillment of

> > > > > kama..desires..and in this trikona of dahrma, karma

> > > > > and kaam........we rarely are able to find the fourth

> > > > > ..is it really the fourth angle..that of moksha.

> > > > > Can we find this fourth dimension at all, is it not a

> > > > > combination of the three dimensions.

> > > > > The spatial linkages of planets in the chart, their

> > > > > internal dymamics and the external ambience which

> > > > > keeps acting with a force which cannot be explained

> > > > > either by philosphy or physics push the native on the

> > > > > road of life.

> > > > >

> > > > > I agree with RRji that 'You don't have to think and

> > > > > act when you are acting

> > > > > > morally, it

> > > > > > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > > > > > does not, it is

> > > > > > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > > > > > your horoscope is

> > > > > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > > > > > trying to get you

> > > > > > in trouble.'

> > > > > But how do I know what is my life-plan...only

> > > > > questions!!!!

> > > > >

> > > > > regards

> > > > >

> > > > > rishi

> > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dearly beloved!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can a chart be moral? Chart used in a loose sense

> > > > > > here to

> > > > > > mean, "nativity" -- the individual fragment of the

> > > > > > SOUL (that we

> > > > > > *know* precious little about personally other than

> > > > > > clever words

> > > > > > stolen from scriptures and other similar (or not!)

> > > > > > sources!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Toss that question in a jyotish forum and you will

> > > > > > be hit with all

> > > > > > kinds of combinations, arudhas, vargas, and even

> > > > > > accounts of Dashas

> > > > > > that made us moral or otherwise.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have always believed that morality is not a

> > > > > > constant, and yet it

> > > > > > does define our 'boundaries' of behaviour and

> > > > > > actions. And it is

> > > > > > learned early on in most cases, through personal

> > > > > > experiences but

> > > > > > mostly the models we identified with, adored and

> > > > > > internalized. Now

> > > > > > this should not be taken inflexibly. Criminals have

> > > > > > turned into

> > > > > > saints and have certainly given birth to saints.

> > > > > > Sadly, saints or

> > > > > > saintly humans have also given birth to rogues and

> > > > > > without mincing

> > > > > > words - dregs of humanity! I am sure each of you

> > > > > > knows a few

> > > > > > examples of either case, through personal experience

> > > > > > or accounts

> > > > > > that are reliable. If not, it is time to come out of

> > > > > > your cave or

> > > > > > down from your mountaintop and see how the remaining

> > > > > > 7 billion live

> > > > > > and experience reality! This is a request and not an

> > > > > > imposition,

> > > > > > expectation or directive ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You don't have to think and act when you are acting

> > > > > > morally, it

> > > > > > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > > > > > does not, it is

> > > > > > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > > > > > your horoscope is

> > > > > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > > > > > trying to get you

> > > > > > in trouble. Some monkey of a planet that is good

> > > > > > with words and

> > > > > > seductive like you would not believe it! And poor

> > > > > > venus gets all the

> > > > > > bad press, and so do mars and nodes in certain

> > > > > > circles!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When so called "rational logic" and "clever words"

> > > > > > entice your soul -

> > > > > > - examine Hermes, the messenger in various layers

> > > > > > (not just vargas!)

> > > > > > of your human experience. Perhaps a pattern shall

> > > > > > appear. Persevere

> > > > > > since the 'monkey' can be tricky. And yet, it is the

> > > > > > sole

> > > > > > connection, sole messenger - Hermes! Monkeys have

> > > > > > been known to be

> > > > > > tamable and have been domesticated. Look at humans!

> > > > > > I rest my case!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

> > around

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Good Lord -- Nalini! Rishiji just asked if I was arrogant! Where did

all these other vituperative adjectives emerge from? ;-)

 

 

, "auromirra19"

<nalini2818 wrote:

>

> Rishiji,

> With all respects and regards, Nazar jhuke ,No I would not, that

is

> agree that he is arrogant. assertive, vociferous,aggressive may

be,

> may be I am biased because as an individual, as revealed to and

> perceived by me, he is too sensitive and full of concern to be

> classed arrogant.

> "This is not because I am afraid of being sued for defamation"

> Nalini

> -- In , "rishi_2000in"

> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Naliniji,

> >

> > [] you mean you dont share the online persona perception

that

> RRji

> > is arrogant!!

> >

> > rishi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "auromirra19"

> <nalini2818@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > RRji,

> > > Please let not what I wrote deter you at all, accomplished I

am

> not,

> > > not by any account but suffered yes if you can call it

> suffering, I

> > > think it is a lesson plan of the various teachers of life's

> school.

> > > You know I did sometimes hate school, especially after I had

> > > finished up reading up the text books.

> > > RRji, I enjoy reading your posts, they are so full

> of 'life' 'Wit'.

> > > I would not think that you have nothing of value to offer,only

> you

> > > dont know the value of what you give. I remember and cherish

> every

> > > advice and words of wisdom you had for me at all times.I dont

> read

> > > some of what you write, I read all of it.

> > > Regards

> > > Nalini

> > > , "rohiniranjan" rrgb@

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nalini,

> > > >

> > > > I was not talking about lifeplans made by humans when they

> > > graduate

> > > > from school and when they were children (like I wanted to be

a

> > > pilot

> > > > and all I can boast in that area is that despite being

somewhat

> > > > acrophobic on open ledges -- I have absolutely no fear of

> flying

> > > and

> > > > actually have always enjoyed flights -- even the bumpier ones

> > > where

> > > > your 'neighbours' puke!

> > > >

> > > > I am talking about the lifeplan that is hard to prove, has

been

> > > > indicated (if that is any endorsement!) by psychics and

saints

> > > that

> > > > the soul incarnates for a purpose and in specific

surroundings

> > > (and

> > > > then risks going astray -- as we see around us all the time

and

> > > > sometimes amongst ourselves and even within ourselves!)

> > > >

> > > > Do not underestimate the monkey! Sometimes it manifests

through

> > > > other animals (planets) that it holds a sway over!

> > > >

> > > > Nalini, if this was a private conversation, I would not write

> > > this,

> > > > because you are already so accomplished and have suffered

more

> > > than

> > > > most I know, by your account. So, please do not take this

> > > personally

> > > > as if aimed at you or I have anything of any value to offer

to

> you

> > > > (as if I would even dare!) -- I keep on writing because

there

> are

> > > > others who read some of what I write. Hopefully that is not

too

> > > > arrogant or egoistical of me?

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , "auromirra19"

> > > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > life-plan(s), did make lots of them and had them blown away

> > > pooh!!

> > > > > can we blame poor Hermes(already debilitated)or

> > > ascendant 'monkeys'

> > > > > or arudhas? I am sure we cannot.

> > > > > Life has plans for us and not the other way round, atleast

> for

> > > me.

> > > > > I am also in total agreement with RRji, you dont have to

act

> or

> > > > > think when you are acting morally. because it is not a

cloak

> you

> > > > > wear it when you like and throw it away when you choose

> > > > to, 'monkeys

> > > > > or no monkeys'. It is something so deeply woven into the

> fabric

> > > of

> > > > > your life, consciousness that it is a vital part of you an

an

> > > > > individual.It is getting off your mighty moral high horse,

> > > > > tolerating lesser mortals, who are fallible, who make

> mistakes,

> > > > > typos,less learned, less articulate... before it

becomes 'too

> > > > > soulful' for a jyotish forum,

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Nalini

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , rishi shukla

> > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Perhaps, each soul enters in a new role in a human

> > > > > > birth with a given set of social, cultural and ethical

> > > > > > consciousness. It then goes through varied

> > > > > > experiences, some of them supporting its own set of

> > > > > > morality which is emerging from the combination of its

> > > > > > social, cultural and ethical processes. Here, these

> > > > > > three terms encompass religion, rituals, values ...and

> > > > > > many more.

> > > > > > These experiences or karmas therefore define an

> > > > > > individual sense of morality as against an externally

> > > > > > set of imposed moral values coming from the collective

> > > > > > group of human beings who share the journey of this

> > > > > > soul through the human life.

> > > > > > Where will this soul end up...is perhaps a function of

> > > > > > its evolution through time spent in this birth.

> > > > > > Humans and monkeys alike then act on their own sense

> > > > > > of dharma. We may end up with a different concept of

> > > > > > consciousness at the end of this life.

> > > > > > In my opinion, morality is as individual as the person

> > > > > > or his/her chart. Its the dharma or the duty; its the

> > > > > > karma or the process of this duty; its the phal or the

> > > > > > result of action; its the joy or the fulfillment of

> > > > > > kama..desires..and in this trikona of dahrma, karma

> > > > > > and kaam........we rarely are able to find the fourth

> > > > > > ..is it really the fourth angle..that of moksha.

> > > > > > Can we find this fourth dimension at all, is it not a

> > > > > > combination of the three dimensions.

> > > > > > The spatial linkages of planets in the chart, their

> > > > > > internal dymamics and the external ambience which

> > > > > > keeps acting with a force which cannot be explained

> > > > > > either by philosphy or physics push the native on the

> > > > > > road of life.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I agree with RRji that 'You don't have to think and

> > > > > > act when you are acting

> > > > > > > morally, it

> > > > > > > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > > > > > > does not, it is

> > > > > > > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > > > > > > your horoscope is

> > > > > > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > > > > > > trying to get you

> > > > > > > in trouble.'

> > > > > > But how do I know what is my life-plan...only

> > > > > > questions!!!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rishi

> > > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dearly beloved!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Can a chart be moral? Chart used in a loose sense

> > > > > > > here to

> > > > > > > mean, "nativity" -- the individual fragment of the

> > > > > > > SOUL (that we

> > > > > > > *know* precious little about personally other than

> > > > > > > clever words

> > > > > > > stolen from scriptures and other similar (or not!)

> > > > > > > sources!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Toss that question in a jyotish forum and you will

> > > > > > > be hit with all

> > > > > > > kinds of combinations, arudhas, vargas, and even

> > > > > > > accounts of Dashas

> > > > > > > that made us moral or otherwise.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have always believed that morality is not a

> > > > > > > constant, and yet it

> > > > > > > does define our 'boundaries' of behaviour and

> > > > > > > actions. And it is

> > > > > > > learned early on in most cases, through personal

> > > > > > > experiences but

> > > > > > > mostly the models we identified with, adored and

> > > > > > > internalized. Now

> > > > > > > this should not be taken inflexibly. Criminals have

> > > > > > > turned into

> > > > > > > saints and have certainly given birth to saints.

> > > > > > > Sadly, saints or

> > > > > > > saintly humans have also given birth to rogues and

> > > > > > > without mincing

> > > > > > > words - dregs of humanity! I am sure each of you

> > > > > > > knows a few

> > > > > > > examples of either case, through personal experience

> > > > > > > or accounts

> > > > > > > that are reliable. If not, it is time to come out of

> > > > > > > your cave or

> > > > > > > down from your mountaintop and see how the remaining

> > > > > > > 7 billion live

> > > > > > > and experience reality! This is a request and not an

> > > > > > > imposition,

> > > > > > > expectation or directive ;-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You don't have to think and act when you are acting

> > > > > > > morally, it

> > > > > > > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > > > > > > does not, it is

> > > > > > > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > > > > > > your horoscope is

> > > > > > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > > > > > > trying to get you

> > > > > > > in trouble. Some monkey of a planet that is good

> > > > > > > with words and

> > > > > > > seductive like you would not believe it! And poor

> > > > > > > venus gets all the

> > > > > > > bad press, and so do mars and nodes in certain

> > > > > > > circles!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When so called "rational logic" and "clever words"

> > > > > > > entice your soul -

> > > > > > > - examine Hermes, the messenger in various layers

> > > > > > > (not just vargas!)

> > > > > > > of your human experience. Perhaps a pattern shall

> > > > > > > appear. Persevere

> > > > > > > since the 'monkey' can be tricky. And yet, it is the

> > > > > > > sole

> > > > > > > connection, sole messenger - Hermes! Monkeys have

> > > > > > > been known to be

> > > > > > > tamable and have been domesticated. Look at humans!

> > > > > > > I rest my case!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

> > > around

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The problem, Nalini, is not with the map! It is that our expectation

of the treasure keeps changing and growing.

 

Or maybe most of us are seeking the wrong treasure!

 

, "auromirra19"

<nalini2818 wrote:

>

> RRji,

> How we would all love to lay hands on that MAP. We think we have

it

> gotcha, but nay it is not the right one, one that leads to the

> hidden treasure, so we keep searching for the MAP, get hold of

> another map only to know, again it is not the MAP and keep digging

> on on....

> Nalini

> , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Thanks Nalini. It means a lot to me.

> > I must share, though that:

> > There are no teachers and curriculum planners, other than YOU

> >

> > It is like the treasure that we all know for sure for sure lies

> out

> > there and is ours -- if only we had in our tiny hands the MAP.

> >

> > We are all looking, some of us claim from time to time that they

> > have it, they know it!

> >

> > They must be really generous and unselfish because they keep

> coming

> > back to us have-nots instead of digging that treasure for

> themselves!

> >

> > Makes one wonder if they too need help in finding the treasure!

> Like

> > able-souled individuals to do the digging! Might not be a good

> idea

> > to turn your back towards them and lose sight of what they are

> > doing! For obvious reasons!! ;-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> > , "auromirra19"

> > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > >

> > > RRji,

> > > Please let not what I wrote deter you at all, accomplished I

am

> > not,

> > > not by any account but suffered yes if you can call it

> suffering,

> > I

> > > think it is a lesson plan of the various teachers of life's

> school.

> > > You know I did sometimes hate school, especially after I had

> > > finished up reading up the text books.

> > > RRji, I enjoy reading your posts, they are so full

> of 'life' 'Wit'.

> > > I would not think that you have nothing of value to offer,only

> you

> > > dont know the value of what you give. I remember and cherish

> every

> > > advice and words of wisdom you had for me at all times.I dont

> read

> > > some of what you write, I read all of it.

> > > Regards

> > > Nalini

> > > , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nalini,

> > > >

> > > > I was not talking about lifeplans made by humans when they

> > > graduate

> > > > from school and when they were children (like I wanted to be

a

> > > pilot

> > > > and all I can boast in that area is that despite being

> somewhat

> > > > acrophobic on open ledges -- I have absolutely no fear of

> flying

> > > and

> > > > actually have always enjoyed flights -- even the bumpier

ones

> > > where

> > > > your 'neighbours' puke!

> > > >

> > > > I am talking about the lifeplan that is hard to prove, has

> been

> > > > indicated (if that is any endorsement!) by psychics and

saints

> > > that

> > > > the soul incarnates for a purpose and in specific

surroundings

> > > (and

> > > > then risks going astray -- as we see around us all the time

> and

> > > > sometimes amongst ourselves and even within ourselves!)

> > > >

> > > > Do not underestimate the monkey! Sometimes it manifests

> through

> > > > other animals (planets) that it holds a sway over!

> > > >

> > > > Nalini, if this was a private conversation, I would not

write

> > > this,

> > > > because you are already so accomplished and have suffered

more

> > > than

> > > > most I know, by your account. So, please do not take this

> > > personally

> > > > as if aimed at you or I have anything of any value to offer

to

> > you

> > > > (as if I would even dare!) -- I keep on writing because

there

> > are

> > > > others who read some of what I write. Hopefully that is not

> too

> > > > arrogant or egoistical of me?

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , "auromirra19"

> > > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > life-plan(s), did make lots of them and had them blown

away

> > > pooh!!

> > > > > can we blame poor Hermes(already debilitated)or

> > > ascendant 'monkeys'

> > > > > or arudhas? I am sure we cannot.

> > > > > Life has plans for us and not the other way round, atleast

> for

> > > me.

> > > > > I am also in total agreement with RRji, you dont have to

act

> > or

> > > > > think when you are acting morally. because it is not a

cloak

> > you

> > > > > wear it when you like and throw it away when you choose

> > > > to, 'monkeys

> > > > > or no monkeys'. It is something so deeply woven into the

> > fabric

> > > of

> > > > > your life, consciousness that it is a vital part of you an

> an

> > > > > individual.It is getting off your mighty moral high horse,

> > > > > tolerating lesser mortals, who are fallible, who make

> > mistakes,

> > > > > typos,less learned, less articulate... before it

> becomes 'too

> > > > > soulful' for a jyotish forum,

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Nalini

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , rishi shukla

> > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Perhaps, each soul enters in a new role in a human

> > > > > > birth with a given set of social, cultural and ethical

> > > > > > consciousness. It then goes through varied

> > > > > > experiences, some of them supporting its own set of

> > > > > > morality which is emerging from the combination of its

> > > > > > social, cultural and ethical processes. Here, these

> > > > > > three terms encompass religion, rituals, values ...and

> > > > > > many more.

> > > > > > These experiences or karmas therefore define an

> > > > > > individual sense of morality as against an externally

> > > > > > set of imposed moral values coming from the collective

> > > > > > group of human beings who share the journey of this

> > > > > > soul through the human life.

> > > > > > Where will this soul end up...is perhaps a function of

> > > > > > its evolution through time spent in this birth.

> > > > > > Humans and monkeys alike then act on their own sense

> > > > > > of dharma. We may end up with a different concept of

> > > > > > consciousness at the end of this life.

> > > > > > In my opinion, morality is as individual as the person

> > > > > > or his/her chart. Its the dharma or the duty; its the

> > > > > > karma or the process of this duty; its the phal or the

> > > > > > result of action; its the joy or the fulfillment of

> > > > > > kama..desires..and in this trikona of dahrma, karma

> > > > > > and kaam........we rarely are able to find the fourth

> > > > > > ..is it really the fourth angle..that of moksha.

> > > > > > Can we find this fourth dimension at all, is it not a

> > > > > > combination of the three dimensions.

> > > > > > The spatial linkages of planets in the chart, their

> > > > > > internal dymamics and the external ambience which

> > > > > > keeps acting with a force which cannot be explained

> > > > > > either by philosphy or physics push the native on the

> > > > > > road of life.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I agree with RRji that 'You don't have to think and

> > > > > > act when you are acting

> > > > > > > morally, it

> > > > > > > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > > > > > > does not, it is

> > > > > > > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > > > > > > your horoscope is

> > > > > > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > > > > > > trying to get you

> > > > > > > in trouble.'

> > > > > > But how do I know what is my life-plan...only

> > > > > > questions!!!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rishi

> > > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dearly beloved!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Can a chart be moral? Chart used in a loose sense

> > > > > > > here to

> > > > > > > mean, "nativity" -- the individual fragment of the

> > > > > > > SOUL (that we

> > > > > > > *know* precious little about personally other than

> > > > > > > clever words

> > > > > > > stolen from scriptures and other similar (or not!)

> > > > > > > sources!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Toss that question in a jyotish forum and you will

> > > > > > > be hit with all

> > > > > > > kinds of combinations, arudhas, vargas, and even

> > > > > > > accounts of Dashas

> > > > > > > that made us moral or otherwise.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have always believed that morality is not a

> > > > > > > constant, and yet it

> > > > > > > does define our 'boundaries' of behaviour and

> > > > > > > actions. And it is

> > > > > > > learned early on in most cases, through personal

> > > > > > > experiences but

> > > > > > > mostly the models we identified with, adored and

> > > > > > > internalized. Now

> > > > > > > this should not be taken inflexibly. Criminals have

> > > > > > > turned into

> > > > > > > saints and have certainly given birth to saints.

> > > > > > > Sadly, saints or

> > > > > > > saintly humans have also given birth to rogues and

> > > > > > > without mincing

> > > > > > > words - dregs of humanity! I am sure each of you

> > > > > > > knows a few

> > > > > > > examples of either case, through personal experience

> > > > > > > or accounts

> > > > > > > that are reliable. If not, it is time to come out of

> > > > > > > your cave or

> > > > > > > down from your mountaintop and see how the remaining

> > > > > > > 7 billion live

> > > > > > > and experience reality! This is a request and not an

> > > > > > > imposition,

> > > > > > > expectation or directive ;-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You don't have to think and act when you are acting

> > > > > > > morally, it

> > > > > > > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > > > > > > does not, it is

> > > > > > > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > > > > > > your horoscope is

> > > > > > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > > > > > > trying to get you

> > > > > > > in trouble. Some monkey of a planet that is good

> > > > > > > with words and

> > > > > > > seductive like you would not believe it! And poor

> > > > > > > venus gets all the

> > > > > > > bad press, and so do mars and nodes in certain

> > > > > > > circles!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When so called "rational logic" and "clever words"

> > > > > > > entice your soul -

> > > > > > > - examine Hermes, the messenger in various layers

> > > > > > > (not just vargas!)

> > > > > > > of your human experience. Perhaps a pattern shall

> > > > > > > appear. Persevere

> > > > > > > since the 'monkey' can be tricky. And yet, it is the

> > > > > > > sole

> > > > > > > connection, sole messenger - Hermes! Monkeys have

> > > > > > > been known to be

> > > > > > > tamable and have been domesticated. Look at humans!

> > > > > > > I rest my case!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

> > > around

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Vituperative, God No, they are compliments, to me they are

positives. I meant as in adjectives- good ones.

 

Nalini

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb

wrote:

>

> Good Lord -- Nalini! Rishiji just asked if I was arrogant! Where

did

> all these other vituperative adjectives emerge from? ;-)

>

>

> , "auromirra19"

> <nalini2818@> wrote:

> >

> > Rishiji,

> > With all respects and regards, Nazar jhuke ,No I would not, that

> is

> > agree that he is arrogant. assertive, vociferous,aggressive may

> be,

> > may be I am biased because as an individual, as revealed to and

> > perceived by me, he is too sensitive and full of concern to be

> > classed arrogant.

> > "This is not because I am afraid of being sued for defamation"

> > Nalini

> > -- In , "rishi_2000in"

> > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Naliniji,

> > >

> > > [] you mean you dont share the online persona perception

> that

> > RRji

> > > is arrogant!!

> > >

> > > rishi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "auromirra19"

> > <nalini2818@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > RRji,

> > > > Please let not what I wrote deter you at all, accomplished I

> am

> > not,

> > > > not by any account but suffered yes if you can call it

> > suffering, I

> > > > think it is a lesson plan of the various teachers of life's

> > school.

> > > > You know I did sometimes hate school, especially after I had

> > > > finished up reading up the text books.

> > > > RRji, I enjoy reading your posts, they are so full

> > of 'life' 'Wit'.

> > > > I would not think that you have nothing of value to

offer,only

> > you

> > > > dont know the value of what you give. I remember and cherish

> > every

> > > > advice and words of wisdom you had for me at all times.I

dont

> > read

> > > > some of what you write, I read all of it.

> > > > Regards

> > > > Nalini

> > > > , "rohiniranjan" rrgb@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nalini,

> > > > >

> > > > > I was not talking about lifeplans made by humans when they

> > > > graduate

> > > > > from school and when they were children (like I wanted to

be

> a

> > > > pilot

> > > > > and all I can boast in that area is that despite being

> somewhat

> > > > > acrophobic on open ledges -- I have absolutely no fear of

> > flying

> > > > and

> > > > > actually have always enjoyed flights -- even the bumpier

ones

> > > > where

> > > > > your 'neighbours' puke!

> > > > >

> > > > > I am talking about the lifeplan that is hard to prove, has

> been

> > > > > indicated (if that is any endorsement!) by psychics and

> saints

> > > > that

> > > > > the soul incarnates for a purpose and in specific

> surroundings

> > > > (and

> > > > > then risks going astray -- as we see around us all the

time

> and

> > > > > sometimes amongst ourselves and even within ourselves!)

> > > > >

> > > > > Do not underestimate the monkey! Sometimes it manifests

> through

> > > > > other animals (planets) that it holds a sway over!

> > > > >

> > > > > Nalini, if this was a private conversation, I would not

write

> > > > this,

> > > > > because you are already so accomplished and have suffered

> more

> > > > than

> > > > > most I know, by your account. So, please do not take this

> > > > personally

> > > > > as if aimed at you or I have anything of any value to

offer

> to

> > you

> > > > > (as if I would even dare!) -- I keep on writing because

> there

> > are

> > > > > others who read some of what I write. Hopefully that is

not

> too

> > > > > arrogant or egoistical of me?

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , "auromirra19"

> > > > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > life-plan(s), did make lots of them and had them blown

away

> > > > pooh!!

> > > > > > can we blame poor Hermes(already debilitated)or

> > > > ascendant 'monkeys'

> > > > > > or arudhas? I am sure we cannot.

> > > > > > Life has plans for us and not the other way round,

atleast

> > for

> > > > me.

> > > > > > I am also in total agreement with RRji, you dont have to

> act

> > or

> > > > > > think when you are acting morally. because it is not a

> cloak

> > you

> > > > > > wear it when you like and throw it away when you choose

> > > > > to, 'monkeys

> > > > > > or no monkeys'. It is something so deeply woven into the

> > fabric

> > > > of

> > > > > > your life, consciousness that it is a vital part of you

an

> an

> > > > > > individual.It is getting off your mighty moral high

horse,

> > > > > > tolerating lesser mortals, who are fallible, who make

> > mistakes,

> > > > > > typos,less learned, less articulate... before it

> becomes 'too

> > > > > > soulful' for a jyotish forum,

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Nalini

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , rishi shukla

> > > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Perhaps, each soul enters in a new role in a human

> > > > > > > birth with a given set of social, cultural and ethical

> > > > > > > consciousness. It then goes through varied

> > > > > > > experiences, some of them supporting its own set of

> > > > > > > morality which is emerging from the combination of its

> > > > > > > social, cultural and ethical processes. Here, these

> > > > > > > three terms encompass religion, rituals, values ...and

> > > > > > > many more.

> > > > > > > These experiences or karmas therefore define an

> > > > > > > individual sense of morality as against an externally

> > > > > > > set of imposed moral values coming from the collective

> > > > > > > group of human beings who share the journey of this

> > > > > > > soul through the human life.

> > > > > > > Where will this soul end up...is perhaps a function of

> > > > > > > its evolution through time spent in this birth.

> > > > > > > Humans and monkeys alike then act on their own sense

> > > > > > > of dharma. We may end up with a different concept of

> > > > > > > consciousness at the end of this life.

> > > > > > > In my opinion, morality is as individual as the person

> > > > > > > or his/her chart. Its the dharma or the duty; its the

> > > > > > > karma or the process of this duty; its the phal or the

> > > > > > > result of action; its the joy or the fulfillment of

> > > > > > > kama..desires..and in this trikona of dahrma, karma

> > > > > > > and kaam........we rarely are able to find the fourth

> > > > > > > ..is it really the fourth angle..that of moksha.

> > > > > > > Can we find this fourth dimension at all, is it not a

> > > > > > > combination of the three dimensions.

> > > > > > > The spatial linkages of planets in the chart, their

> > > > > > > internal dymamics and the external ambience which

> > > > > > > keeps acting with a force which cannot be explained

> > > > > > > either by philosphy or physics push the native on the

> > > > > > > road of life.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I agree with RRji that 'You don't have to think and

> > > > > > > act when you are acting

> > > > > > > > morally, it

> > > > > > > > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > > > > > > > does not, it is

> > > > > > > > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > > > > > > > your horoscope is

> > > > > > > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > > > > > > > trying to get you

> > > > > > > > in trouble.'

> > > > > > > But how do I know what is my life-plan...only

> > > > > > > questions!!!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > rishi

> > > > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dearly beloved!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Can a chart be moral? Chart used in a loose sense

> > > > > > > > here to

> > > > > > > > mean, "nativity" -- the individual fragment of the

> > > > > > > > SOUL (that we

> > > > > > > > *know* precious little about personally other than

> > > > > > > > clever words

> > > > > > > > stolen from scriptures and other similar (or not!)

> > > > > > > > sources!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Toss that question in a jyotish forum and you will

> > > > > > > > be hit with all

> > > > > > > > kinds of combinations, arudhas, vargas, and even

> > > > > > > > accounts of Dashas

> > > > > > > > that made us moral or otherwise.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have always believed that morality is not a

> > > > > > > > constant, and yet it

> > > > > > > > does define our 'boundaries' of behaviour and

> > > > > > > > actions. And it is

> > > > > > > > learned early on in most cases, through personal

> > > > > > > > experiences but

> > > > > > > > mostly the models we identified with, adored and

> > > > > > > > internalized. Now

> > > > > > > > this should not be taken inflexibly. Criminals have

> > > > > > > > turned into

> > > > > > > > saints and have certainly given birth to saints.

> > > > > > > > Sadly, saints or

> > > > > > > > saintly humans have also given birth to rogues and

> > > > > > > > without mincing

> > > > > > > > words - dregs of humanity! I am sure each of you

> > > > > > > > knows a few

> > > > > > > > examples of either case, through personal experience

> > > > > > > > or accounts

> > > > > > > > that are reliable. If not, it is time to come out of

> > > > > > > > your cave or

> > > > > > > > down from your mountaintop and see how the remaining

> > > > > > > > 7 billion live

> > > > > > > > and experience reality! This is a request and not an

> > > > > > > > imposition,

> > > > > > > > expectation or directive ;-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You don't have to think and act when you are acting

> > > > > > > > morally, it

> > > > > > > > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > > > > > > > does not, it is

> > > > > > > > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > > > > > > > your horoscope is

> > > > > > > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > > > > > > > trying to get you

> > > > > > > > in trouble. Some monkey of a planet that is good

> > > > > > > > with words and

> > > > > > > > seductive like you would not believe it! And poor

> > > > > > > > venus gets all the

> > > > > > > > bad press, and so do mars and nodes in certain

> > > > > > > > circles!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When so called "rational logic" and "clever words"

> > > > > > > > entice your soul -

> > > > > > > > - examine Hermes, the messenger in various layers

> > > > > > > > (not just vargas!)

> > > > > > > > of your human experience. Perhaps a pattern shall

> > > > > > > > appear. Persevere

> > > > > > > > since the 'monkey' can be tricky. And yet, it is the

> > > > > > > > sole

> > > > > > > > connection, sole messenger - Hermes! Monkeys have

> > > > > > > > been known to be

> > > > > > > > tamable and have been domesticated. Look at humans!

> > > > > > > > I rest my case!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Paradoxical. not having what you like and not liking what you

have,or may be once you have it you no longer like it.Tough, but

that is life.

Nalini

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb

wrote:

>

> The problem, Nalini, is not with the map! It is that our

expectation

> of the treasure keeps changing and growing.

>

> Or maybe most of us are seeking the wrong treasure!

>

> , "auromirra19"

> <nalini2818@> wrote:

> >

> > RRji,

> > How we would all love to lay hands on that MAP. We think we have

> it

> > gotcha, but nay it is not the right one, one that leads to the

> > hidden treasure, so we keep searching for the MAP, get hold of

> > another map only to know, again it is not the MAP and keep

digging

> > on on....

> > Nalini

> > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Thanks Nalini. It means a lot to me.

> > > I must share, though that:

> > > There are no teachers and curriculum planners, other than YOU

> > >

> > > It is like the treasure that we all know for sure for sure

lies

> > out

> > > there and is ours -- if only we had in our tiny hands the MAP.

> > >

> > > We are all looking, some of us claim from time to time that

they

> > > have it, they know it!

> > >

> > > They must be really generous and unselfish because they keep

> > coming

> > > back to us have-nots instead of digging that treasure for

> > themselves!

> > >

> > > Makes one wonder if they too need help in finding the

treasure!

> > Like

> > > able-souled individuals to do the digging! Might not be a good

> > idea

> > > to turn your back towards them and lose sight of what they are

> > > doing! For obvious reasons!! ;-)

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > >

> > > , "auromirra19"

> > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > RRji,

> > > > Please let not what I wrote deter you at all, accomplished I

> am

> > > not,

> > > > not by any account but suffered yes if you can call it

> > suffering,

> > > I

> > > > think it is a lesson plan of the various teachers of life's

> > school.

> > > > You know I did sometimes hate school, especially after I had

> > > > finished up reading up the text books.

> > > > RRji, I enjoy reading your posts, they are so full

> > of 'life' 'Wit'.

> > > > I would not think that you have nothing of value to

offer,only

> > you

> > > > dont know the value of what you give. I remember and cherish

> > every

> > > > advice and words of wisdom you had for me at all times.I

dont

> > read

> > > > some of what you write, I read all of it.

> > > > Regards

> > > > Nalini

> > > > , "rohiniranjan"

> <rrgb@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nalini,

> > > > >

> > > > > I was not talking about lifeplans made by humans when they

> > > > graduate

> > > > > from school and when they were children (like I wanted to

be

> a

> > > > pilot

> > > > > and all I can boast in that area is that despite being

> > somewhat

> > > > > acrophobic on open ledges -- I have absolutely no fear of

> > flying

> > > > and

> > > > > actually have always enjoyed flights -- even the bumpier

> ones

> > > > where

> > > > > your 'neighbours' puke!

> > > > >

> > > > > I am talking about the lifeplan that is hard to prove, has

> > been

> > > > > indicated (if that is any endorsement!) by psychics and

> saints

> > > > that

> > > > > the soul incarnates for a purpose and in specific

> surroundings

> > > > (and

> > > > > then risks going astray -- as we see around us all the

time

> > and

> > > > > sometimes amongst ourselves and even within ourselves!)

> > > > >

> > > > > Do not underestimate the monkey! Sometimes it manifests

> > through

> > > > > other animals (planets) that it holds a sway over!

> > > > >

> > > > > Nalini, if this was a private conversation, I would not

> write

> > > > this,

> > > > > because you are already so accomplished and have suffered

> more

> > > > than

> > > > > most I know, by your account. So, please do not take this

> > > > personally

> > > > > as if aimed at you or I have anything of any value to

offer

> to

> > > you

> > > > > (as if I would even dare!) -- I keep on writing because

> there

> > > are

> > > > > others who read some of what I write. Hopefully that is

not

> > too

> > > > > arrogant or egoistical of me?

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , "auromirra19"

> > > > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > life-plan(s), did make lots of them and had them blown

> away

> > > > pooh!!

> > > > > > can we blame poor Hermes(already debilitated)or

> > > > ascendant 'monkeys'

> > > > > > or arudhas? I am sure we cannot.

> > > > > > Life has plans for us and not the other way round,

atleast

> > for

> > > > me.

> > > > > > I am also in total agreement with RRji, you dont have to

> act

> > > or

> > > > > > think when you are acting morally. because it is not a

> cloak

> > > you

> > > > > > wear it when you like and throw it away when you choose

> > > > > to, 'monkeys

> > > > > > or no monkeys'. It is something so deeply woven into the

> > > fabric

> > > > of

> > > > > > your life, consciousness that it is a vital part of you

an

> > an

> > > > > > individual.It is getting off your mighty moral high

horse,

> > > > > > tolerating lesser mortals, who are fallible, who make

> > > mistakes,

> > > > > > typos,less learned, less articulate... before it

> > becomes 'too

> > > > > > soulful' for a jyotish forum,

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Nalini

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , rishi shukla

> > > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Perhaps, each soul enters in a new role in a human

> > > > > > > birth with a given set of social, cultural and ethical

> > > > > > > consciousness. It then goes through varied

> > > > > > > experiences, some of them supporting its own set of

> > > > > > > morality which is emerging from the combination of its

> > > > > > > social, cultural and ethical processes. Here, these

> > > > > > > three terms encompass religion, rituals, values ...and

> > > > > > > many more.

> > > > > > > These experiences or karmas therefore define an

> > > > > > > individual sense of morality as against an externally

> > > > > > > set of imposed moral values coming from the collective

> > > > > > > group of human beings who share the journey of this

> > > > > > > soul through the human life.

> > > > > > > Where will this soul end up...is perhaps a function of

> > > > > > > its evolution through time spent in this birth.

> > > > > > > Humans and monkeys alike then act on their own sense

> > > > > > > of dharma. We may end up with a different concept of

> > > > > > > consciousness at the end of this life.

> > > > > > > In my opinion, morality is as individual as the person

> > > > > > > or his/her chart. Its the dharma or the duty; its the

> > > > > > > karma or the process of this duty; its the phal or the

> > > > > > > result of action; its the joy or the fulfillment of

> > > > > > > kama..desires..and in this trikona of dahrma, karma

> > > > > > > and kaam........we rarely are able to find the fourth

> > > > > > > ..is it really the fourth angle..that of moksha.

> > > > > > > Can we find this fourth dimension at all, is it not a

> > > > > > > combination of the three dimensions.

> > > > > > > The spatial linkages of planets in the chart, their

> > > > > > > internal dymamics and the external ambience which

> > > > > > > keeps acting with a force which cannot be explained

> > > > > > > either by philosphy or physics push the native on the

> > > > > > > road of life.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I agree with RRji that 'You don't have to think and

> > > > > > > act when you are acting

> > > > > > > > morally, it

> > > > > > > > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > > > > > > > does not, it is

> > > > > > > > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > > > > > > > your horoscope is

> > > > > > > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > > > > > > > trying to get you

> > > > > > > > in trouble.'

> > > > > > > But how do I know what is my life-plan...only

> > > > > > > questions!!!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > rishi

> > > > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dearly beloved!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Can a chart be moral? Chart used in a loose sense

> > > > > > > > here to

> > > > > > > > mean, "nativity" -- the individual fragment of the

> > > > > > > > SOUL (that we

> > > > > > > > *know* precious little about personally other than

> > > > > > > > clever words

> > > > > > > > stolen from scriptures and other similar (or not!)

> > > > > > > > sources!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Toss that question in a jyotish forum and you will

> > > > > > > > be hit with all

> > > > > > > > kinds of combinations, arudhas, vargas, and even

> > > > > > > > accounts of Dashas

> > > > > > > > that made us moral or otherwise.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have always believed that morality is not a

> > > > > > > > constant, and yet it

> > > > > > > > does define our 'boundaries' of behaviour and

> > > > > > > > actions. And it is

> > > > > > > > learned early on in most cases, through personal

> > > > > > > > experiences but

> > > > > > > > mostly the models we identified with, adored and

> > > > > > > > internalized. Now

> > > > > > > > this should not be taken inflexibly. Criminals have

> > > > > > > > turned into

> > > > > > > > saints and have certainly given birth to saints.

> > > > > > > > Sadly, saints or

> > > > > > > > saintly humans have also given birth to rogues and

> > > > > > > > without mincing

> > > > > > > > words - dregs of humanity! I am sure each of you

> > > > > > > > knows a few

> > > > > > > > examples of either case, through personal experience

> > > > > > > > or accounts

> > > > > > > > that are reliable. If not, it is time to come out of

> > > > > > > > your cave or

> > > > > > > > down from your mountaintop and see how the remaining

> > > > > > > > 7 billion live

> > > > > > > > and experience reality! This is a request and not an

> > > > > > > > imposition,

> > > > > > > > expectation or directive ;-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You don't have to think and act when you are acting

> > > > > > > > morally, it

> > > > > > > > comes out naturally and with all your being. If it

> > > > > > > > does not, it is

> > > > > > > > another clever trick that some planet or house in

> > > > > > > > your horoscope is

> > > > > > > > playing, teasing you away from your life-plan and

> > > > > > > > trying to get you

> > > > > > > > in trouble. Some monkey of a planet that is good

> > > > > > > > with words and

> > > > > > > > seductive like you would not believe it! And poor

> > > > > > > > venus gets all the

> > > > > > > > bad press, and so do mars and nodes in certain

> > > > > > > > circles!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When so called "rational logic" and "clever words"

> > > > > > > > entice your soul -

> > > > > > > > - examine Hermes, the messenger in various layers

> > > > > > > > (not just vargas!)

> > > > > > > > of your human experience. Perhaps a pattern shall

> > > > > > > > appear. Persevere

> > > > > > > > since the 'monkey' can be tricky. And yet, it is the

> > > > > > > > sole

> > > > > > > > connection, sole messenger - Hermes! Monkeys have

> > > > > > > > been known to be

> > > > > > > > tamable and have been domesticated. Look at humans!

> > > > > > > > I rest my case!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam

protection

> > > > around

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Let me put the things in right perspective...

 

RRji: ''I keep on writing because there are others who read

some of what I write. Hopefully that is not too arrogant or

egoistical of me?''

 

[] you mean you dont share the online persona perception

that

RRji

is arrogant!!

 

rishi

 

naliniji: No I would not, that

is

agree that he is arrogant. assertive, vociferous,aggressive ....

 

The question here, naliniji, is where did all the other adjectives

come from...!!

 

just teasing

rishi

 

 

 

, "auromirra19"

<nalini2818 wrote:

>

> Vituperative, God No, they are compliments, to me they are

> positives. I meant as in adjectives- good ones.

>

> Nalini

> , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Good Lord -- Nalini! Rishiji just asked if I was arrogant! Where

> did

> > all these other vituperative adjectives emerge from? ;-)

> >

> >