Morality -an experience!...My Rev .Grandfather

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Friends,

 

My Rev. Granfather adviced us only once in his life

time.

His lesson on Moral science was,

" If you enjoy KAMA and ARTHA remaining within the

boundry of Dharma, you will never be unhappy and your

children will be wonderful"

 

Tatvam-Asi

 

 

--- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

 

> Should morality be discussed or practiced? ;-)

> If/when practiced -- where remains the need for

> discussion?

> Morality is learned/incorporated when very young.

> Assuming most here

> are young or old adults, the opportunity for leaning

> morality is

> gone, in the past.

> I am sure everyone here availed of the opportunity!

>

> This is a statement, my belief and not a desire to

> start another

> beating of gums (figuratively speaking -- given that

> I am typing and

> so are most others! I am sure some techie-heads are

> using dragon or

> via voice!!)

>

> RR

>

> ,

> "auromirra19"

> <nalini2818 wrote:

> >

> > Dear all,

> > We are discussing Morality, here. Tanvir ji

> himself has said it is

> a

> > vague(said vogue, a typo? and I have assumed he

> meant vague) idea.

> > What exactly is it, how do you define it, unless

> it is precisely

> fit

> > into a definition, how do you apply it to an

> action.

> > Is it not a relative term? Does it not mutate if I

> may say so,

> over

> > time. What is moral at one time is not moral at

> another. Man in

> > another point in time killed and ate flesh raw

> and in the raw(pun

> > intended). Did he debate whether it was moral or

> immoral? His sole

> > instinct was survival and animalistic in the sense

> that it was not

> > governed by the viveka so associated with humans.

> He has evolved,

> > physically, socially and also morally? because we

> are now debating

> > what is moral and what is not. Over the period he

> has found

> > alternate sources of food and how that has evolved

> is evident.

> > How and when did Man find the need to wear

> clothes? does wearing

> > clothes make one moral , if so is the prehistoric

> man immoral?

> > Then, is Morality, Socially accepted behaviour?

> > Let us come to contemporary periods: What is moral

> in one culture

> is

> > immoral in others. Marriages among cousins has

> different

> > implications in the fabric of morality in

> different

> cultures.Dating,

> > living together have different connotations in

> different social

> > cultures. How morality has, can I use the term ,

> evolved???, when

> > unconventional in terms of marriage , was inter

> caste/inter

> > religious, love etc.( people indulging in such

> were dubbed

> immoral

> > and sometimes ostracised) Is it the same now? In

> most places

> > unconventional now, may mean Same Sex marriages.

> > Like in science, all others assumed constant, can

> we apply the

> same

> > yard stick to morality. But is morality Constant,

> it is a

> variable,

> > at most it can be a varying-constant(can there be

> one in science?

> it

> > can be in English - an oxymoron.

> > These are my humble views and not meant to

> denigrate or criticise

> > others'.

> > Regards

> > Nalini

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ,

> "panditarjun2004"

> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear surya garu

> > >

> > > logic is something which is applied by the

> native to support his

> > or

> > > her own theories irrespective of whether these

> theories are

> right

> > or

> > > wrong.

> > >

> > > when painter M.F.Hussain painted various hindu

> goddesses and

> > bharat

> > > mata in nude and put it up for auction to earn

> quick and fast

> > name,

> > > fame and few crores by selling the moterland in

> nude, he applied

> > his

> > > logical thinking that a painter has the freedom

> to paint

> anything

> > in

> > > nude be it the goddesses of other religion or

> the motherland

> which

> > > gave birth to him. on the other hand an

> organisation in UP put

> an

> > > award of rs.51 crore to slay this famous painter

> applying their

> > > logic that he is a germ for the society. these

> people when

> > > interviewed by the media for taking an extremist

> posture asked

> the

> > > media to apply their own logic by venturing to

> ask the painter

> if

> > he

> > > finds it logically correct to paint his own

> mother in nude.

> > >

> > > so logic is something which is applied by both

> good and bad

> people

> > > to support their own theories.

> > >

> > > with best wishes

> > > arjun

> > >

> > >

> > > , surya

> vishnu

> > > <surya_prakashvi@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > There is a very famous book in Telugu called

> "khandana Khanda

> > > Khadyam" ... it extensively deals with

> application of

> > > logic/arguments to prove everything and disprove

> everything ...

> > Just

> > > amused

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Tanvir <ultimate@> wrote:

> > > > Dear Maniv Ji

> > > >

> > > > I like the idea that you are coming forward

> with what you

> think

> > to

> > > be correct. As I always say, I am always open

> minded and would

> > > accept any new idea that I feel logical and

> practical. I think

> > > without this quality, one can never learn

> anything. If one only

> > > believes what he is taught in childhood,

> knowledge stops there

> > > forever. I am always open minded and would

> welcome any logical

> > > discussion to find an answer (even if different

> from mine) and

> if

> > > one can convince me, I am open to take that

> without any

> hesitation.

> > > >

> > > > Now let us go back to the original topic.

> > > >

> > > > #1. You write-

> > > > "'Killing', as you label it, for the sake of

> ones sustenance,

> > > > especially when there remains no practical

> alternative is not

>

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[Guest guest]

WOW!

Makes perfect sense, Dada and thanks for sharing and directing us

thus.

 

 

, Tatvamasi

<om_tatsat_om wrote:

>

>

> Friends,

>

> My Rev. Granfather adviced us only once in his life

> time.

> His lesson on Moral science was,

> " If you enjoy KAMA and ARTHA remaining within the

> boundry of Dharma, you will never be unhappy and your

> children will be wonderful"

>

> Tatvam-Asi

>

>

> --- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

>

> > Should morality be discussed or practiced? ;-)

> > If/when practiced -- where remains the need for

> > discussion?

> > Morality is learned/incorporated when very young.

> > Assuming most here

> > are young or old adults, the opportunity for leaning

> > morality is

> > gone, in the past.

> > I am sure everyone here availed of the opportunity!

> >

> > This is a statement, my belief and not a desire to

> > start another

> > beating of gums (figuratively speaking -- given that

> > I am typing and

> > so are most others! I am sure some techie-heads are

> > using dragon or

> > via voice!!)

> >

> > RR

> >

> > ,

> > "auromirra19"

> > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear all,

> > > We are discussing Morality, here. Tanvir ji

> > himself has said it is

> > a

> > > vague(said vogue, a typo? and I have assumed he

> > meant vague) idea.

> > > What exactly is it, how do you define it, unless

> > it is precisely

> > fit

> > > into a definition, how do you apply it to an

> > action.

> > > Is it not a relative term? Does it not mutate if I

> > may say so,

> > over

> > > time. What is moral at one time is not moral at

> > another. Man in

> > > another point in time killed and ate flesh raw

> > and in the raw(pun

> > > intended). Did he debate whether it was moral or

> > immoral? His sole

> > > instinct was survival and animalistic in the sense

> > that it was not

> > > governed by the viveka so associated with humans.

> > He has evolved,

> > > physically, socially and also morally? because we

> > are now debating

> > > what is moral and what is not. Over the period he

> > has found

> > > alternate sources of food and how that has evolved

> > is evident.

> > > How and when did Man find the need to wear

> > clothes? does wearing

> > > clothes make one moral , if so is the prehistoric

> > man immoral?

> > > Then, is Morality, Socially accepted behaviour?

> > > Let us come to contemporary periods: What is moral

> > in one culture

> > is

> > > immoral in others. Marriages among cousins has

> > different

> > > implications in the fabric of morality in

> > different

> > cultures.Dating,

> > > living together have different connotations in

> > different social

> > > cultures. How morality has, can I use the term ,

> > evolved???, when

> > > unconventional in terms of marriage , was inter

> > caste/inter

> > > religious, love etc.( people indulging in such

> > were dubbed

> > immoral

> > > and sometimes ostracised) Is it the same now? In

> > most places

> > > unconventional now, may mean Same Sex marriages.

> > > Like in science, all others assumed constant, can

> > we apply the

> > same

> > > yard stick to morality. But is morality Constant,

> > it is a

> > variable,

> > > at most it can be a varying-constant(can there be

> > one in science?

> > it

> > > can be in English - an oxymoron.

> > > These are my humble views and not meant to

> > denigrate or criticise

> > > others'.

> > > Regards

> > > Nalini

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ,

> > "panditarjun2004"

> > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear surya garu

> > > >

> > > > logic is something which is applied by the

> > native to support his

> > > or

> > > > her own theories irrespective of whether these

> > theories are

> > right

> > > or

> > > > wrong.

> > > >

> > > > when painter M.F.Hussain painted various hindu

> > goddesses and

> > > bharat

> > > > mata in nude and put it up for auction to earn

> > quick and fast

> > > name,

> > > > fame and few crores by selling the moterland in

> > nude, he applied

> > > his

> > > > logical thinking that a painter has the freedom

> > to paint

> > anything

> > > in

> > > > nude be it the goddesses of other religion or

> > the motherland

> > which

> > > > gave birth to him. on the other hand an

> > organisation in UP put

> > an

> > > > award of rs.51 crore to slay this famous painter

> > applying their

> > > > logic that he is a germ for the society. these

> > people when

> > > > interviewed by the media for taking an extremist

> > posture asked

> > the

> > > > media to apply their own logic by venturing to

> > ask the painter

> > if

> > > he

> > > > finds it logically correct to paint his own

> > mother in nude.

> > > >

> > > > so logic is something which is applied by both

> > good and bad

> > people

> > > > to support their own theories.

> > > >

> > > > with best wishes

> > > > arjun

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , surya

> > vishnu

> > > > <surya_prakashvi@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > There is a very famous book in Telugu called

> > "khandana Khanda

> > > > Khadyam" ... it extensively deals with

> > application of

> > > > logic/arguments to prove everything and disprove

> > everything ...

> > > Just

> > > > amused

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Tanvir <ultimate@> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Maniv Ji

> > > > >

> > > > > I like the idea that you are coming forward

> > with what you

> > think

> > > to

> > > > be correct. As I always say, I am always open

> > minded and would

> > > > accept any new idea that I feel logical and

> > practical. I think

> > > > without this quality, one can never learn

> > anything. If one only

> > > > believes what he is taught in childhood,

> > knowledge stops there

> > > > forever. I am always open minded and would

> > welcome any logical

> > > > discussion to find an answer (even if different

> > from mine) and

> > if

> > > > one can convince me, I am open to take that

> > without any

> > hesitation.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now let us go back to the original topic.

> > > > >

> > > > > #1. You write-

> > > > > "'Killing', as you label it, for the sake of

> > ones sustenance,

> > > > > especially when there remains no practical

> > alternative is not

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

>

>

>

>

>