Morality TO ALL WHO ARE DISCUSSING SCIENTIFICALLY!

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Perhaps we should remember that we are beginning to use the

term "science" rather loosely in this discussion!

While "SCIENCE" may represent 'the' truth, but none of us know what

that SCIENCE or TRUTH is. What we know is the current state of

scientific knowledge, let us just call it lower case science!

 

This science changes from year to year and in some really hot areas

from day to day! We must be careful! This science is not the

ultimate truth and I just want to remind people about that! science

is the current state of knowledge and at one time proposed and

believed that the earth was in the center of the universe -- the

geocentric reality as we use it in astrology, but for a different

reason, different purpose and not as a "physical reality"!

 

All of these things quoted as 'science' about diet, about what we

know or surmise about animals, whether they are pachyderms or

dermatophytons is science. Let us not build concrete castles on such

sand!

 

Let us leave 'science' or "SCIENCE" out of whatever people are

discussing here. Science (upper and lower cases) has a lot of rigour

when it comes to debating which has not been seen here nor expected

in this medium. Read a few papers in well-known scientific

professional journal and see what level of rigour is required!

 

RR

 

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99 wrote:

>

> All such humble deserves to be respected as it is truth like

science.If man makes science and man is biased how the product can

remain as non biased.

> It is only penchant that classify as biased and non biased

> krishnan

>

> surya vishnu <surya_prakashvi wrote:

> Science is as much a bias as non-science. Higher and unifying

truths than science or religion are experience/awareness and

application ...

>

> My humble opinion ..

>

> Surya.

>

> Tanvir <ultimate wrote:

> Dear Prashant Ji

>

> As you have said it from a scientific angle I would like to try

replying you in the same manner.

>

> #1 While science admits that eating vegetable is better for living

longer, better health and everything, it also does say clearly that

egg is still the BEST PROTEIN available in this planet. Egg is the

best form in where the composition is best for human health. If you

have the slighest doubt you can check from any good dietary /

medical source.

>

> #2 Recently Harvard Medical School has published a revolutionary

result that eating eggs has NO SORT OF RELATION with heart problems

even though egg has fats. They did so much research over so many

years and they did not get ANY evidence to relate egg consumption

with heart problems. Any little search over the net can tell the

full story.

>

> #3 Modern science also clearly speaks that most of the Vegetable

proteins are LOW CLASS proteins and they cannot play the role of

protein (ie maintenance of body) and so at last they are used by the

body to make energies. It means most of the vegetable proteins do

not really work as proteins or does what a good protein does.

>

> #4 On the other hand most of the animal proteins are rated as

FIRST CLASS SOURCES of proteins by dietecians and doctors. Porks,

beefs, muttons have fat problems, but then no one forces you to eat

them. Take chicken, fish, they are free from health threats.

>

> #5 Scientifically humans are not purely vegetarian nor purely non-

vegetarian. They are mixed and this has a separate scientific name,

and this is seen through the body composition of human. Vegetarians

say that human teeth are like those of vegetarian animals, but

wrong. Humans actually have mixed structure of teeth and they still

have sharp corner teeth looking slightly like tigers and meat eating

animals. A plant eating animal does not have enough strength in it's

jaw to crush meat, but human have. Nature has given human enough

strong jaw to shew and crush meat. Scientific research shows cow etc

do not have that strong jaw.

>

> #6 Let us not be childish enough to compare it with an elephant

because to follow it in other things we must get back to pure wild

life and not face the adverse effect of using technology that is on

our health. A tortuise lives nearly 200 years cannot really suggest

a life of it's style and a diet of it's similar one. Contrary to

your statement all the plant living animals are weak ones like cow,

goat etc while the meat eaters are tigers, lions etc. and when

talking about strength we give examples of the tigers and lions

only. The strength of an elephant lies in it's big size and the

strength of a tiger versus the same strength of an elephant OF SAME

SIZE should be considered. Now kindly do not tell me that eating

plants makes elephant that big ! Joking...

>

> If anyone can logically convince me, I am ALWAYS open to be

convinced. I was born in a Muslim family where beling in any other

gods than Allah or worshipping it means the highest possible sin

which can be never forgiven. But I practice Hinduism and do mantras

because I see it works. I think there is a Sanskrit proverb that

what works is the truth and what does not work in practice is not

the truth.

>

> Science has no bias. It is discovering more and more of the same

and we must also gradually know the problems of traditions if they

teach something wrong. The way a small tablet makes a scary heart

pain go away, the way humen landed on the moon, the way we are

communicating data this fast - are all for the science.

>

> Only science prevails. Science has also defeated the fanatics by

making it possible to make a girl child without the involvement of

any male human being. Many fanatics called that it is going against

Gods creation. But if God would be unhappy to reveal this magic to

human then he would never even allow human to be this wise and

knowledgeable to reveal this magic of God. It is God's own

mysterious power to create living beings and if he does not want,

human could never be this advanced in science to reveal this. How

can you know Gods mysterious knowledge if he does not want to let

you know?

>

> The simple laws of physics, chemistry, biology are the laws of the

magics of God, who is maintaining this creation with the laws and as

much of it human is knowing, as much less mysterious God is

becoming. God is now getting all exposed and all non-mysterious and

may be one day God will be revealed to all ! In ancient days people

explained storms as the anger or fights among Gods but now it is all

simply revealed as simple natural incidents. Gravity is a rule of

God but then man has learned to ignore it too and flying really

heavy, big aeroplanes. God is not remaining God anymore. Human are

being Gods day by day. Nothing to deny it really. Human could not

yet conquer death but when a dying patient hopes to survive, that

HOPE is also made possible by science.

>

> Science is unbaised.

>

> Science is the truth.

>

> Let the truth win.

>

> Regards

> Tanvir

>

>

> What cannot happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

> Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving

remedies

> Where relief and solutions are found

>

> -

> Prashant Kumar G B

>

> Wednesday, March 01, 2006 10:42 PM

> Re: Morality

>

>

> Maniv, Tanvir

>

> We agree with Mani he is right in his observation, notings

>

> one great votary to this veg is ELEPHANT THE MOST POWERFUL,

STRONG ANIMAL isa vegetarian, lives long, helps every animal,

plant, etc lives prety long too.

>

> where as the carnovorous don't.

>

> Martina Navratiolva played that long as she had a 100% veg

diet, her blood chemsitry wa s15 yrs younger it iis said.

>

> she has writtena bok on diet so pl read it.

>

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[Guest guest]

Agreed ... hence the need to acknowledge the factor of experience/awareness and

application ... three common factors for our eternal quest to truth

 

rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote: Perhaps we should remember that we are

beginning to use the

term "science" rather loosely in this discussion!

While "SCIENCE" may represent 'the' truth, but none of us know what

that SCIENCE or TRUTH is. What we know is the current state of

scientific knowledge, let us just call it lower case science!

 

This science changes from year to year and in some really hot areas

from day to day! We must be careful! This science is not the

ultimate truth and I just want to remind people about that! science

is the current state of knowledge and at one time proposed and

believed that the earth was in the center of the universe -- the

geocentric reality as we use it in astrology, but for a different

reason, different purpose and not as a "physical reality"!

 

All of these things quoted as 'science' about diet, about what we

know or surmise about animals, whether they are pachyderms or

dermatophytons is science. Let us not build concrete castles on such

sand!

 

Let us leave 'science' or "SCIENCE" out of whatever people are

discussing here. Science (upper and lower cases) has a lot of rigour

when it comes to debating which has not been seen here nor expected

in this medium. Read a few papers in well-known scientific

professional journal and see what level of rigour is required!

 

RR

 

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99 wrote:

>

> All such humble deserves to be respected as it is truth like

science.If man makes science and man is biased how the product can

remain as non biased.

> It is only penchant that classify as biased and non biased

> krishnan

>

> surya vishnu <surya_prakashvi wrote:

> Science is as much a bias as non-science. Higher and unifying

truths than science or religion are experience/awareness and

application ...

>

> My humble opinion ..

>

> Surya.

>

> Tanvir <ultimate wrote:

> Dear Prashant Ji

>

> As you have said it from a scientific angle I would like to try

replying you in the same manner.

>

> #1 While science admits that eating vegetable is better for living

longer, better health and everything, it also does say clearly that

egg is still the BEST PROTEIN available in this planet. Egg is the

best form in where the composition is best for human health. If you

have the slighest doubt you can check from any good dietary /

medical source.

>

> #2 Recently Harvard Medical School has published a revolutionary

result that eating eggs has NO SORT OF RELATION with heart problems

even though egg has fats. They did so much research over so many

years and they did not get ANY evidence to relate egg consumption

with heart problems. Any little search over the net can tell the

full story.

>

> #3 Modern science also clearly speaks that most of the Vegetable

proteins are LOW CLASS proteins and they cannot play the role of

protein (ie maintenance of body) and so at last they are used by the

body to make energies. It means most of the vegetable proteins do

not really work as proteins or does what a good protein does.

>

> #4 On the other hand most of the animal proteins are rated as

FIRST CLASS SOURCES of proteins by dietecians and doctors. Porks,

beefs, muttons have fat problems, but then no one forces you to eat

them. Take chicken, fish, they are free from health threats.

>

> #5 Scientifically humans are not purely vegetarian nor purely non-

vegetarian. They are mixed and this has a separate scientific name,

and this is seen through the body composition of human. Vegetarians

say that human teeth are like those of vegetarian animals, but

wrong. Humans actually have mixed structure of teeth and they still

have sharp corner teeth looking slightly like tigers and meat eating

animals. A plant eating animal does not have enough strength in it's

jaw to crush meat, but human have. Nature has given human enough

strong jaw to shew and crush meat. Scientific research shows cow etc

do not have that strong jaw.

>

> #6 Let us not be childish enough to compare it with an elephant

because to follow it in other things we must get back to pure wild

life and not face the adverse effect of using technology that is on

our health. A tortuise lives nearly 200 years cannot really suggest

a life of it's style and a diet of it's similar one. Contrary to

your statement all the plant living animals are weak ones like cow,

goat etc while the meat eaters are tigers, lions etc. and when

talking about strength we give examples of the tigers and lions

only. The strength of an elephant lies in it's big size and the

strength of a tiger versus the same strength of an elephant OF SAME

SIZE should be considered. Now kindly do not tell me that eating

plants makes elephant that big ! Joking...

>

> If anyone can logically convince me, I am ALWAYS open to be

convinced. I was born in a Muslim family where beling in any other

gods than Allah or worshipping it means the highest possible sin

which can be never forgiven. But I practice Hinduism and do mantras

because I see it works. I think there is a Sanskrit proverb that

what works is the truth and what does not work in practice is not

the truth.

>

> Science has no bias. It is discovering more and more of the same

and we must also gradually know the problems of traditions if they

teach something wrong. The way a small tablet makes a scary heart

pain go away, the way humen landed on the moon, the way we are

communicating data this fast - are all for the science.

>

> Only science prevails. Science has also defeated the fanatics by

making it possible to make a girl child without the involvement of

any male human being. Many fanatics called that it is going against

Gods creation. But if God would be unhappy to reveal this magic to

human then he would never even allow human to be this wise and

knowledgeable to reveal this magic of God. It is God's own

mysterious power to create living beings and if he does not want,

human could never be this advanced in science to reveal this. How

can you know Gods mysterious knowledge if he does not want to let

you know?

>

> The simple laws of physics, chemistry, biology are the laws of the

magics of God, who is maintaining this creation with the laws and as

much of it human is knowing, as much less mysterious God is

becoming. God is now getting all exposed and all non-mysterious and

may be one day God will be revealed to all ! In ancient days people

explained storms as the anger or fights among Gods but now it is all

simply revealed as simple natural incidents. Gravity is a rule of

God but then man has learned to ignore it too and flying really

heavy, big aeroplanes. God is not remaining God anymore. Human are

being Gods day by day. Nothing to deny it really. Human could not

yet conquer death but when a dying patient hopes to survive, that

HOPE is also made possible by science.

>

> Science is unbaised.

>

> Science is the truth.

>

> Let the truth win.

>

> Regards

> Tanvir

>

>

> What cannot happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

> Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving

remedies

> Where relief and solutions are found

>

> -

> Prashant Kumar G B

>

> Wednesday, March 01, 2006 10:42 PM

> Re: Morality

>

>

> Maniv, Tanvir

>

> We agree with Mani he is right in his observation, notings

>

> one great votary to this veg is ELEPHANT THE MOST POWERFUL,

STRONG ANIMAL isa vegetarian, lives long, helps every animal,

plant, etc lives prety long too.

>

> where as the carnovorous don't.

>

> Martina Navratiolva played that long as she had a 100% veg

diet, her blood chemsitry wa s15 yrs younger it iis said.

>

> she has writtena bok on diet so pl read it.

>

> Prashant

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH

THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

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>

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Surya ji,

 

I like your approach! Not only you maintain the history through

quoting earlier messages and make it easier for some of us older

sensorially-challenged folks to not have to go fight the youthful

system which is unfriendly (compared to my introduction to net

through compuserve forums some 25 years ago and the simple and fast

message system they had back then in the era of dinosaurs accessible

through nothing more sophisticated than MSDOS version 4 I think --

back then.

 

Enough of that looking towards the golden past rant!

 

I have no chip on my shoulders in trying to accept only things that

fit in the narrow scientific framework. I have enjoyed the company

and thought framework of very right-brained people and even get joy

out of frameworks that are out of this world.

 

I do have a problem with people mixing fruits with nuts! Both are

nutritious, I personally cannot live a meaningful life without

either (in proportion and right amounts) and I love them both. But

when I desire for a fruit, I do not reach out for a nut!

 

And I use the term 'nut' absolutely in its original sense as in

hazelnut, cashewnut, peanut and not even coconut!!

 

Seriously, though -- astrology is a very complex and 'fluid' field,

interpretationally. And TWO interpretations are involved to make it

even more complex. Jyotishi's and the nativity's. This makes it even

more important that the nativity listen to the jyotishi 'actively'

and the Jyotishi do the same as well.

 

A jyotish reading is a communication, it is not a sermon coming down

from the mount! Psychic readings on the other hand are more akin to

the sermons. They are one way information.

 

Lots of people, consumers and professionals get confused and mix up

the two. When we describe and discuss these on leftbrained forums

like this, I like to remind people to keep the two separate and keep

them separate from another interpretation of physical reality -- the

one through Science!

 

But they get mad at me! Somedays I feel like the janitor at a high

school! (The kids are bigger and so are their "messes"!)

 

Enough said!

 

RR

 

, surya vishnu

<surya_prakashvi wrote:

>

> Agreed ... hence the need to acknowledge the factor of

experience/awareness and application ... three common factors for

our eternal quest to truth

>

> rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote: Perhaps we should remember that we

are beginning to use the

> term "science" rather loosely in this discussion!

> While "SCIENCE" may represent 'the' truth, but none of us know

what

> that SCIENCE or TRUTH is. What we know is the current state of

> scientific knowledge, let us just call it lower case science!

>

> This science changes from year to year and in some really hot

areas

> from day to day! We must be careful! This science is not the

> ultimate truth and I just want to remind people about that!

science

> is the current state of knowledge and at one time proposed and

> believed that the earth was in the center of the universe -- the

> geocentric reality as we use it in astrology, but for a different

> reason, different purpose and not as a "physical reality"!

>

> All of these things quoted as 'science' about diet, about what we

> know or surmise about animals, whether they are pachyderms or

> dermatophytons is science. Let us not build concrete castles on

such

> sand!

>

> Let us leave 'science' or "SCIENCE" out of whatever people are

> discussing here. Science (upper and lower cases) has a lot of

rigour

> when it comes to debating which has not been seen here nor

expected

> in this medium. Read a few papers in well-known scientific

> professional journal and see what level of rigour is required!

>

> RR

>

> , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99@> wrote:

> >

> > All such humble deserves to be respected as it is truth like

> science.If man makes science and man is biased how the product can

> remain as non biased.

> > It is only penchant that classify as biased and non biased

> > krishnan

> >

> > surya vishnu <surya_prakashvi@> wrote:

> > Science is as much a bias as non-science. Higher and unifying

> truths than science or religion are experience/awareness and

> application ...

> >

> > My humble opinion ..

> >

> > Surya.

> >

> > Tanvir <ultimate@> wrote:

> > Dear Prashant Ji

> >

> > As you have said it from a scientific angle I would like to try

> replying you in the same manner.

> >

> > #1 While science admits that eating vegetable is better for

living

> longer, better health and everything, it also does say clearly

that

> egg is still the BEST PROTEIN available in this planet. Egg is the

> best form in where the composition is best for human health. If

you

> have the slighest doubt you can check from any good dietary /

> medical source.

> >

> > #2 Recently Harvard Medical School has published a revolutionary

> result that eating eggs has NO SORT OF RELATION with heart

problems

> even though egg has fats. They did so much research over so many

> years and they did not get ANY evidence to relate egg consumption

> with heart problems. Any little search over the net can tell the

> full story.

> >

> > #3 Modern science also clearly speaks that most of the Vegetable

> proteins are LOW CLASS proteins and they cannot play the role of

> protein (ie maintenance of body) and so at last they are used by

the

> body to make energies. It means most of the vegetable proteins do

> not really work as proteins or does what a good protein does.

> >

> > #4 On the other hand most of the animal proteins are rated as

> FIRST CLASS SOURCES of proteins by dietecians and doctors. Porks,

> beefs, muttons have fat problems, but then no one forces you to

eat

> them. Take chicken, fish, they are free from health threats.

> >

> > #5 Scientifically humans are not purely vegetarian nor purely

non-

> vegetarian. They are mixed and this has a separate scientific

name,

> and this is seen through the body composition of human.

Vegetarians

> say that human teeth are like those of vegetarian animals, but

> wrong. Humans actually have mixed structure of teeth and they

still

> have sharp corner teeth looking slightly like tigers and meat

eating

> animals. A plant eating animal does not have enough strength in

it's

> jaw to crush meat, but human have. Nature has given human enough

> strong jaw to shew and crush meat. Scientific research shows cow

etc

> do not have that strong jaw.

> >

> > #6 Let us not be childish enough to compare it with an elephant

> because to follow it in other things we must get back to pure wild

> life and not face the adverse effect of using technology that is

on

> our health. A tortuise lives nearly 200 years cannot really

suggest

> a life of it's style and a diet of it's similar one. Contrary to

> your statement all the plant living animals are weak ones like

cow,

> goat etc while the meat eaters are tigers, lions etc. and when

> talking about strength we give examples of the tigers and lions

> only. The strength of an elephant lies in it's big size and the

> strength of a tiger versus the same strength of an elephant OF

SAME

> SIZE should be considered. Now kindly do not tell me that eating

> plants makes elephant that big ! Joking...

> >

> > If anyone can logically convince me, I am ALWAYS open to be

> convinced. I was born in a Muslim family where beling in any other

> gods than Allah or worshipping it means the highest possible sin

> which can be never forgiven. But I practice Hinduism and do

mantras

> because I see it works. I think there is a Sanskrit proverb that

> what works is the truth and what does not work in practice is not

> the truth.

> >

> > Science has no bias. It is discovering more and more of the same

> and we must also gradually know the problems of traditions if they

> teach something wrong. The way a small tablet makes a scary heart

> pain go away, the way humen landed on the moon, the way we are

> communicating data this fast - are all for the science.

> >

> > Only science prevails. Science has also defeated the fanatics by

> making it possible to make a girl child without the involvement of

> any male human being. Many fanatics called that it is going

against

> Gods creation. But if God would be unhappy to reveal this magic to

> human then he would never even allow human to be this wise and

> knowledgeable to reveal this magic of God. It is God's own

> mysterious power to create living beings and if he does not want,

> human could never be this advanced in science to reveal this. How

> can you know Gods mysterious knowledge if he does not want to let

> you know?

> >

> > The simple laws of physics, chemistry, biology are the laws of

the

> magics of God, who is maintaining this creation with the laws and

as

> much of it human is knowing, as much less mysterious God is

> becoming. God is now getting all exposed and all non-mysterious

and

> may be one day God will be revealed to all ! In ancient days

people

> explained storms as the anger or fights among Gods but now it is

all

> simply revealed as simple natural incidents. Gravity is a rule of

> God but then man has learned to ignore it too and flying really

> heavy, big aeroplanes. God is not remaining God anymore. Human are

> being Gods day by day. Nothing to deny it really. Human could not

> yet conquer death but when a dying patient hopes to survive, that

> HOPE is also made possible by science.

> >

> > Science is unbaised.

> >

> > Science is the truth.

> >

> > Let the truth win.

> >

> > Regards

> > Tanvir

> >

> >

> > What cannot happen, can never happen.

> > Which is mine, is forever mine.

> >

> > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

> > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving

> remedies

> > Where relief and solutions are found

> >

> > -

> > Prashant Kumar G B

> >

> > Wednesday, March 01, 2006 10:42 PM

> > Re: Morality

> >

> >

> > Maniv, Tanvir

> >

> > We agree with Mani he is right in his observation, notings

> >

> > one great votary to this veg is ELEPHANT THE MOST POWERFUL,

> STRONG ANIMAL isa vegetarian, lives long, helps every animal,

> plant, etc lives prety long too.

> >

> > where as the carnovorous don't.

> >

> > Martina Navratiolva played that long as she had a 100% veg

> diet, her blood chemsitry wa s15 yrs younger it iis said.

> >

> > she has writtena bok on diet so pl read it.

> >

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