Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 dear Rohini ji got the message from your metaphysics. this reminds me an incident. once we were peforming pooja in a temple and came one person in inebriated condition and made revile remarks. the most learnt priests and elders just lamented and pitied his condition and ignored him even while continuing their poojas. but when his vituperations made them unable to focus on their duties (poojas) the same elderly people asked the guards to show him the door. yes you are right we shall learn to show more accommodation of such web related gaps and live with them happily everafter. with best wishes and regards arjun , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb wrote: > > Dear friends, > > While I appreciate the politeness that is reflected in your raising > this issue and Ashutoshji's response soaking in love and > reconciliation -- the fact and reality is that cross postings will > occur and essentially anything posted on Internet is potentially in > the public view. Unless one posts something that is in a closed > group that is by invitation only, in which case I think it would > signal a non-sharing and even then the moderator would have to > indicate that explicitly the rest is questionably 'private'. > > Truth be told, cross-postings particularly of reading requests and > some canned questions are becoming very commonplace and are > generally met with silence or irritation. Many of the individuals > who use the shotgun approach to 'give me a reading' probably dont > even come back to collect readings and this is simply disrespectful > to say the least. They even forget that they already d and > try to re using a different email! Seen it all! > > I understand, and appreciate your nobleness and sense of fairness > when you talk about the original poster not having a chance to > respond to a comment, critique, rebuttal even if the latter is > unintended. However, this is 'occupational' hazard of sorts for web- > writers/communicators. > > This should be treated completely differently from the category of > responses where for whatever reason, personal and mistaken even > delusional, individuals attack and bash others by name and cross > that fine line that we all walk in our narrow track of being human, > that separates us from the animals in its derogatory meaning. > > Such lines are not crossed, in my opinion, by honest and healthy > responses to ideas that even though cross-posted are really not > because, if there are two forums with 4000 jyotishophiles, you can > be sure that apart from the few accidental entrants, most are > members of both communities, at least the vocal ones! > > I shall now open myself to attacks ;-) > > RR > > > , "panditarjun2004" > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear ashutosh ji > > > > while appreciating and endorsing all your views mentioned in this > > mail, i feel it is not prudent to share threads of Vedic Astrology > > group in this group that too without the knowledge of those > members > > since most of them are not active here. Few astrologers have > > started cross posting which is not good. the objective of such > > cross posting members is that he put his (right or wrong) view on > > the top of a thread and post it in another group and when none of > > the members in the thread answer, this cross poster got his point > > scored and gets an image in that group. this is a cheap technique > > used by people who wish to earn fame by hook. > > > > i have already requested tanvir ji in a private mail about these > > cross postings and if he allows such most knowledgeful members' > > views masked by this cross poster in this group without even > making > > them aware. > > > > ashutoshji, needless to say i agree 100% with your views and > > opinions and my lament is only about cross posting and not your > mail. > > > > with best wishes and regards > > arjun > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > <astrologerashutosh@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear members, > > > > > > A lot of bashing of gemstone > prescribing > > astrologers is going on. The alternative to gemstones has been > given > > as worship of god and mantras, by some members. > > > > > > I do not believe in any god or religion. But, I > prescribe > > gemstones to those who can afford them. To say that the gems have > no > > effect at all is also a hardline opposition, which again is not a > > healthy approach to this subject. > > > > > > But, it is not a simple matter to prescribe gems after > > analysing a horoscope. Only one or two gems, at most, are suitable > > for any individual. Sometimes, no gems at all are required and a > few > > simple changes in lifestyle are enough a solutions. > > > > > > I have personally observed the effects of gems on myself > > and others. They work very well and have excellent results if worn > > in the right way. > > > > > > About the chanting of mantras and worships. Belief is a > > very strong force. For one who is a believer in God, worship is a > > potent solution. But, peforming havans and grand poojas is many a > > times a pretty worse remedy than wearing expensive gemstones. Not > > every astrologer knows the correct methods of performing yagyas. > > > > > > Has anyone wondered why the priest-cum-astrologers are > > emphasising more on havans and yagyas than gemstones? Here is the > > actual reason- > > > > > > Suppose, a client contacts me and I prescribe a Yellow > > Sapphire for him. He has no compulsion to buy the sapphire from > me. > > He has a lot of choices like his family jeweller, his friend who > > knows some good dealer, a good contact in a good place, etc. If I > > emphasise on him buying the gem only from me, he will suspect my > > integrity straightaway. > > > > > > But, for poojas, I can always emphasize that a havan > > prescribed by me can be performed correctly only under my > guidance. > > It also gives a religious aura to the proceedings which is enough > to > > cloud most of the people's reasonings. Then, even if the cost of > the > > havan is more than any normal gemstone's price, the client will > > faithfully pay for it. > > > > > > The same people who hesitate to wear a gemstone have > been > > found to spend double the amount on Kaal Sarpa poojas, > > Mahamrityunjaya yagyas and so on. > > > > > > When one buys a gem, at least he has something worthy on > > his finger which has some value. What about a havan or yagya? > > Whether it is performed correctly or not, the individual is left > > with only the blessings and ashes in the havan kunda. Only the > > priest is happy and with a heavy pocket. > > > > > > The gems need not be very expesive and flawless. Some > > inclusions, silk, fibres are permitted. Even though a gem may be > > expensive, it may not be astrologically suitable to be worn. On > the > > other hand, a cheap and simple gem may give excellent results. > > > > > > A good astrologer earns so well from consultations only > > that he does not really need any profit from the gemstone sales. > The > > gemstone business has its own headaches and no serious astrologer > > prefers to get embroiled in it. I get gemstones only for those > > clients who are not able to get them from anywhere else, due to > > their lack of experience or knowledge or contacts. Still, the fear > > that my honesty and integrity are at stake, keeps haunting me, > even > > though my clients have their full faith in me. > > > > > > Those who lack astrological expertise seek to earn by > > gemstone sales and havan-poojas. I had received an email from a > > person from UK who told me that a Guruji has recommended Neelam to > > him and he will charge around 1000 pounds for it. 700 pounds for > the > > gem and 300 for the purification pooja. > > > > > > I asked him to buy the gem but to purify it free of cost > > himself at his home and told him the method too through e-mail. > > > > > > I never prescribe any havans or yagyas to anyone. Yes! > > Colour therapies, the daan or donations and self-chanting of > > mantras, can be found in remedies given by me. > > > > > > The best remedies are to bring changes in lifestyle and > > behaviour. Sadly, everyone wants a quick-fix solution. One does > not > > want to change one's own behaviour towards others, but expects > > others to change. > > > > > > I often get the queries like, "Please prescribe some > > remedy so that my health and finances should improve but I am > still > > able to drink and gamble to my satisfaction, everyday." What can > one > > suggest for such a person? > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > [The services of this astrologer are free on the astrology > group, > > but consultations on personal e-mail are chargeable] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > sharad kotak > > > vedic astrology > > > Sunday, 12 February, 2006 13:25 > > > Re:Jyotish Gem - P. Kumar > > > > > > > > > Dear P. Kumar, > > > > > > I appreciated your efforts to bring the facts to the > > surface.Sooner or later , your capabilities will be known to all. > > > > > > Thanks , > > > > > > skotak > > > > > > P Kumar <pkumar24@> wrote: > > > Dear Swee, > > > You should agree at one point - one who believes in and > > recommends a gemstone must be a good astrologer himself / herself. > > Now remember your visit to Mumbai when you stayed at the house of > > shri J.K.Dasgupta in Vashi, Mumbai. You were having gemstones for > > sale with you, almost all of which cost more than Rs. 50,000/-. I > > (Praveen Kumar then), along with others discussed astrology with > you > > and had shown you my and my mother's horoscopes. My mother is 100% > > paralyzed and suffered in almost all respects. However, you > > appreciated her horoscope, had given some favourable comments > about > > her health, even talked about a career for her, declared her > married > > life very happy etc etc. which all was complete nonsense. After > > describing the facts by me, you had justified the same with the > same > > horoscope. In other readings too, nobody there was impressed with > > your astrological competence. Neither you have demonstrated your > > astrological skills here on this forum of vedic astrology > > convincingly. Persons > > > like you always elude to comment over unknown horoscope. > > > > > > My question is that when you can't predict efficiently, how > can > > you come to know what would have been the results without a > gemstone > > and that the particular stone has benefited the native. If you > > recommend a stone despite all this, what people should think about > > you ? This is for all astrologers (or quacks) who sell gemstones > > themselves or get hefty commission from the Jewelers. It is most > > unfortunate that people having blind faith in astrology get > cheated > > of their hard earned money. > > > > > > Will you stop all this now or will arrange for some messages > > protecting you by stating that you are a good astrologer and they > > had been benefited by you. Incidentally, I remind the warning of > > Shri K.N.Rao - " Never get impressed by the fact that one has > > authored books on astrology or is the so called (even self > > proclaimed) Guru - always ask him first to tell something about > you > > himself / herself, only then go ahead". > > > > > > I have written all this to warn innocent people here lest they > > should get cheated. One should avoid consulting astrologers who > sell > > gemstone themselves or insist on purchasing from particular > > jewellers or offer to do poojas and remedies for you on exorbitant > > payments. They can do nothing good to you except depriving you of > > your hard earned money. > > > > > > P.Kumar (Mumbai) > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > "Swee Chan" <swee@> > > > <vedic astrology>; "SJCA" <SJC- > > Africa>; <sohamsa> > > > Cc: "'Sanjay Rath'" <sanjayrath@>; "Sarbani" > > <sarbani@>; "'RICHARD SHAW BROWN'" <rsb@> > > > Saturday, February 11, 2006 1:01 AM > > > RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Jyotish Gem Clarity & Naga > > Mani > > > > > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > > > > > Dear Arjun, > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > I fully agree that those who know nothing about gemstones > and > > their > > > > intrinsic values should not recommend them. Let's look at it > > this way, if a > > > > patient goes to a general practitioner with a heart ailment, > > what will that > > > > doctor do? He will do his ethical duty to recommend the > > patient to a heart > > > > surgeon. Agree? > > > > > > > > We as jyotishas who are intricately linked with gemstones, > > will not only > > > > recommend a gemstone, but will take it a step further and > > search for the > > > > best gemstone we can as d in the shastras to our > > clients. We > > > > consider this our duty to ensure that he/she is given the > > best. It is also > > > > based on the person's karma to obtain what is prescribed to > > them. Some of > > > > the people who consult me wait for a long time for a fine > > gemstone while for > > > > some, we have it immediately under our tuck. > > > > > > > > I have seen so much rubbish gemstones worn by people all > over. > > If one cannot > > > > afford it, maybe next time round (next life) they will. If > > karma has it that > > > > we are destined to deal in gemstones, that's the way the > > cookie crumbles due > > > > to our punya!!! > > > > > > > > For those who keep on accusing us of making money by > > prescribing gemstones, > > > > I only have one thing to ask - Do you get paid for your job > at > > the end of > > > > each month or will you ask your boss to offer you what he > > thinks you are > > > > worth at the end of each month? Thank you, I rest my case. > > > > > > > > Rahu's gemstone is prescribed in special cases. There are > > several hints in > > > > the classics and BPHS and my especial favourite, > Jyotisharnava > > Navanitam > > > > that helps the jytoisha to ascertain whether he/she should > > prescribe that > > > > gemstone. I promise I will detail this in my book. > > > > Gomeda is not exclusive to Hessonite as made out by ALL > > translators who are > > > > not versed in the science of gemstones. Period. > > > > In Garuda Purana, it is said that it brings wealth to the > > bearer besides > > > > helping to correct other health issues. > > > > > > > > Those who are sick will certainly benefit from resting under > a > > tree (or > > > > hugging it). It is also dependant of the type of tree, isn't > > it? Believe me, > > > > you wouldn't want to hug an acacia spp!!! If it was 100% > > beneficial, then no > > > > one will ever need to build a house nor visit an astrologer > or > > a doctor. > > > > > > > > By the way, I am still waiting for your +20 combinations on > > eye problems as > > > > your second message as a repeat of the first. > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > Swee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of > > panditarjun2004 > > > > Friday, February 10, 2006 8:54 PM > > > > vedic astrology > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Jyotish Gem Clarity & Naga > Mani > > > > > > > > dear kumarji > > > > > > > > i fully agree with your remarks. my statement on amitabh > > getting > > > > benefited by kashmiri neelam is based on the revelations by > > his > > > > astrologer and other fellow astrologers in various groups. > > > > > > > > i myself do not believe in stones and have not recommended a > > stone > > > > to a single person till date. in various threads in other > > groups i > > > > lamented that stones were not recommended by any holy > > scripture and > > > > the recent newfound support from narada purana also was > > unheard > > > > before. also somewhere i read that humans, animals/birds, > > > > trees/plants and stones attract energies from the planets > > 100%, 75%, > > > > 50% and 25% respectively and hence stones which attract only > > 25% > > > > energy are not worth their money for their 25% effect. > > > > > > > > i still fail to understand how stones are recommended for > rank > > > > malefics rahu and ketu as seen in several messages in this > > group. > > > > since these two are painted as beneficial planets by some > > > > researchers who are vairagya and moksha karakas, may be the > > stones > > > > are recommended for gaining vairagya and moksha. only those > > who > > > > recommend these stones can answer better. > > > > > > > > anyway, i endorse your views on stones but without any > > criticism on > > > > the stone believers. > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > arjun > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "P Kumar" > <pkumar24@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Do you know the strength of horoscope of Amitabh > Bachchan ? > > If > > > > stones work that much, why he reached at the verge of > > bankruptcy at > > > > some juncture ? Why did he suffer health wise (and remember > we > > don't > > > > know everything about his bad health) so seriously ? > > > > > > > > > > Tell those Gem-stone selling astrologers to give > > interpretation on > > > > strangers' horoscopes and see their caliber. Everything else > > is much > > > > easier. > > > > > > > > > > My take on gemstones is that it should be used more as an > > > > ornament. Gemstones for functionally benefic planets may be > > > > preferred. Nothing can radically change your destiny, at > least > > in > > > > this life. Rather, taking help of mantras and devotion to > the > > God is > > > > more important. Following a simple life helping the needy > ones > > may > > > > give you inner peace and spiritual advancement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.Kumar (Mumbai) > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004@> > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > Friday, February 10, 2006 12:46 AM > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Jyotish Gem Clarity & Naga > > Mani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear friend kumarji > > > > > > > > > > > > you are right in saying that selling stones is more a > > business > > > > but > > > > > > for priviliged people like amitabh bachhan who wears > > genuine > > > > > > flawless kashmiri blue sapphire, stones work. > > > > > > > > > > > > for those who cannot afford gems, color therapy (akin to > > gem > > > > > > therapy) is an inexpensive inhouse alternative. > > > > > > > > > > > > till date i could not find any vedic scripture > > recommending > > > > stones > > > > > > and have not recommended stones to any one. > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > > arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "P Kumar" > > <pkumar24@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't run after gems. It is more a business than > > anything else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.Kumar (Mumbai) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > "harjeet_bakshi" <harjeet_bakshi@> > > > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 07, 2006 2:00 AM > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Jyotish Gem Clarity & > > Naga Mani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected sir, > > > > > > > > earlier you had adviced me for wearing a ruby (being > a > > scorpio > > > > > > asc), > > > > > > > > instead of a diamond(which some astrologer told me > > because of > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > in relationships). > > > > > > > > about clearity of gems.. like rubies and emerald, it > > would be > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > expensive for unflawed gem as most of them have > > impurities > > > > > > included by > > > > > > > > default which are seen by naked eye itself. so it > wont > > be > > > > > > advisable to > > > > > > > > wear them if one cant afford the gems in purest form. > > > > > > > > thanks/regards > > > > > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic- > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > > > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 Sorry panditji, I failed to see the connection between what I posted (physically not metaphysically!) and your response :-) , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear Rohini ji > > got the message from your metaphysics. this reminds me an > incident. once we were peforming pooja in a temple and came one > person in inebriated condition and made revile remarks. the most > learnt priests and elders just lamented and pitied his condition and > ignored him even while continuing their poojas. but when his > vituperations made them unable to focus on their duties (poojas) the > same elderly people asked the guards to show him the door. > > yes you are right we shall learn to show more accommodation of such > web related gaps and live with them happily everafter. > > with best wishes and regards > arjun > > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@> > wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > > > While I appreciate the politeness that is reflected in your > raising > > this issue and Ashutoshji's response soaking in love and > > reconciliation -- the fact and reality is that cross postings will > > occur and essentially anything posted on Internet is potentially > in > > the public view. Unless one posts something that is in a closed > > group that is by invitation only, in which case I think it would > > signal a non-sharing and even then the moderator would have to > > indicate that explicitly the rest is questionably 'private'. > > > > Truth be told, cross-postings particularly of reading requests and > > some canned questions are becoming very commonplace and are > > generally met with silence or irritation. Many of the individuals > > who use the shotgun approach to 'give me a reading' probably dont > > even come back to collect readings and this is simply > disrespectful > > to say the least. They even forget that they already d > and > > try to re using a different email! Seen it all! > > > > I understand, and appreciate your nobleness and sense of fairness > > when you talk about the original poster not having a chance to > > respond to a comment, critique, rebuttal even if the latter is > > unintended. However, this is 'occupational' hazard of sorts for > web- > > writers/communicators. > > > > This should be treated completely differently from the category of > > responses where for whatever reason, personal and mistaken even > > delusional, individuals attack and bash others by name and cross > > that fine line that we all walk in our narrow track of being > human, > > that separates us from the animals in its derogatory meaning. > > > > Such lines are not crossed, in my opinion, by honest and healthy > > responses to ideas that even though cross-posted are really not > > because, if there are two forums with 4000 jyotishophiles, you can > > be sure that apart from the few accidental entrants, most are > > members of both communities, at least the vocal ones! > > > > I shall now open myself to attacks ;-) > > > > RR > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear ashutosh ji > > > > > > while appreciating and endorsing all your views mentioned in > this > > > mail, i feel it is not prudent to share threads of Vedic > Astrology > > > group in this group that too without the knowledge of those > > members > > > since most of them are not active here. Few astrologers have > > > started cross posting which is not good. the objective of such > > > cross posting members is that he put his (right or wrong) view > on > > > the top of a thread and post it in another group and when none > of > > > the members in the thread answer, this cross poster got his > point > > > scored and gets an image in that group. this is a cheap > technique > > > used by people who wish to earn fame by hook. > > > > > > i have already requested tanvir ji in a private mail about these > > > cross postings and if he allows such most knowledgeful members' > > > views masked by this cross poster in this group without even > > making > > > them aware. > > > > > > ashutoshji, needless to say i agree 100% with your views and > > > opinions and my lament is only about cross posting and not your > > mail. > > > > > > with best wishes and regards > > > arjun > > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > > <astrologerashutosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear members, > > > > > > > > A lot of bashing of gemstone > > prescribing > > > astrologers is going on. The alternative to gemstones has been > > given > > > as worship of god and mantras, by some members. > > > > > > > > I do not believe in any god or religion. But, I > > prescribe > > > gemstones to those who can afford them. To say that the gems > have > > no > > > effect at all is also a hardline opposition, which again is not > a > > > healthy approach to this subject. > > > > > > > > But, it is not a simple matter to prescribe gems after > > > analysing a horoscope. Only one or two gems, at most, are > suitable > > > for any individual. Sometimes, no gems at all are required and a > > few > > > simple changes in lifestyle are enough a solutions. > > > > > > > > I have personally observed the effects of gems on > myself > > > and others. They work very well and have excellent results if > worn > > > in the right way. > > > > > > > > About the chanting of mantras and worships. Belief is > a > > > very strong force. For one who is a believer in God, worship is > a > > > potent solution. But, peforming havans and grand poojas is many > a > > > times a pretty worse remedy than wearing expensive gemstones. > Not > > > every astrologer knows the correct methods of performing yagyas. > > > > > > > > Has anyone wondered why the priest-cum-astrologers are > > > emphasising more on havans and yagyas than gemstones? Here is > the > > > actual reason- > > > > > > > > Suppose, a client contacts me and I prescribe a Yellow > > > Sapphire for him. He has no compulsion to buy the sapphire from > > me. > > > He has a lot of choices like his family jeweller, his friend who > > > knows some good dealer, a good contact in a good place, etc. If > I > > > emphasise on him buying the gem only from me, he will suspect my > > > integrity straightaway. > > > > > > > > But, for poojas, I can always emphasize that a havan > > > prescribed by me can be performed correctly only under my > > guidance. > > > It also gives a religious aura to the proceedings which is > enough > > to > > > cloud most of the people's reasonings. Then, even if the cost of > > the > > > havan is more than any normal gemstone's price, the client will > > > faithfully pay for it. > > > > > > > > The same people who hesitate to wear a gemstone have > > been > > > found to spend double the amount on Kaal Sarpa poojas, > > > Mahamrityunjaya yagyas and so on. > > > > > > > > When one buys a gem, at least he has something worthy > on > > > his finger which has some value. What about a havan or yagya? > > > Whether it is performed correctly or not, the individual is left > > > with only the blessings and ashes in the havan kunda. Only the > > > priest is happy and with a heavy pocket. > > > > > > > > The gems need not be very expesive and flawless. Some > > > inclusions, silk, fibres are permitted. Even though a gem may be > > > expensive, it may not be astrologically suitable to be worn. On > > the > > > other hand, a cheap and simple gem may give excellent results. > > > > > > > > A good astrologer earns so well from consultations > only > > > that he does not really need any profit from the gemstone sales. > > The > > > gemstone business has its own headaches and no serious > astrologer > > > prefers to get embroiled in it. I get gemstones only for those > > > clients who are not able to get them from anywhere else, due to > > > their lack of experience or knowledge or contacts. Still, the > fear > > > that my honesty and integrity are at stake, keeps haunting me, > > even > > > though my clients have their full faith in me. > > > > > > > > Those who lack astrological expertise seek to earn by > > > gemstone sales and havan-poojas. I had received an email from a > > > person from UK who told me that a Guruji has recommended Neelam > to > > > him and he will charge around 1000 pounds for it. 700 pounds for > > the > > > gem and 300 for the purification pooja. > > > > > > > > I asked him to buy the gem but to purify it free of > cost > > > himself at his home and told him the method too through e-mail. > > > > > > > > I never prescribe any havans or yagyas to anyone. Yes! > > > Colour therapies, the daan or donations and self-chanting of > > > mantras, can be found in remedies given by me. > > > > > > > > The best remedies are to bring changes in lifestyle > and > > > behaviour. Sadly, everyone wants a quick-fix solution. One does > > not > > > want to change one's own behaviour towards others, but expects > > > others to change. > > > > > > > > I often get the queries like, "Please prescribe some > > > remedy so that my health and finances should improve but I am > > still > > > able to drink and gamble to my satisfaction, everyday." What can > > one > > > suggest for such a person? > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > [The services of this astrologer are free on the astrology > > group, > > > but consultations on personal e-mail are chargeable] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > sharad kotak > > > > vedic astrology > > > > Sunday, 12 February, 2006 13:25 > > > > Re:Jyotish Gem - P. Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear P. Kumar, > > > > > > > > I appreciated your efforts to bring the facts to the > > > surface.Sooner or later , your capabilities will be known to all. > > > > > > > > Thanks , > > > > > > > > skotak > > > > > > > > P Kumar <pkumar24@> wrote: > > > > Dear Swee, > > > > You should agree at one point - one who believes in and > > > recommends a gemstone must be a good astrologer himself / > herself. > > > Now remember your visit to Mumbai when you stayed at the house > of > > > shri J.K.Dasgupta in Vashi, Mumbai. You were having gemstones > for > > > sale with you, almost all of which cost more than Rs. 50,000/-. > I > > > (Praveen Kumar then), along with others discussed astrology with > > you > > > and had shown you my and my mother's horoscopes. My mother is > 100% > > > paralyzed and suffered in almost all respects. However, you > > > appreciated her horoscope, had given some favourable comments > > about > > > her health, even talked about a career for her, declared her > > married > > > life very happy etc etc. which all was complete nonsense. After > > > describing the facts by me, you had justified the same with the > > same > > > horoscope. In other readings too, nobody there was impressed > with > > > your astrological competence. Neither you have demonstrated your > > > astrological skills here on this forum of vedic astrology > > > convincingly. Persons > > > > like you always elude to comment over unknown horoscope. > > > > > > > > My question is that when you can't predict efficiently, how > > can > > > you come to know what would have been the results without a > > gemstone > > > and that the particular stone has benefited the native. If you > > > recommend a stone despite all this, what people should think > about > > > you ? This is for all astrologers (or quacks) who sell gemstones > > > themselves or get hefty commission from the Jewelers. It is most > > > unfortunate that people having blind faith in astrology get > > cheated > > > of their hard earned money. > > > > > > > > Will you stop all this now or will arrange for some messages > > > protecting you by stating that you are a good astrologer and > they > > > had been benefited by you. Incidentally, I remind the warning of > > > Shri K.N.Rao - " Never get impressed by the fact that one has > > > authored books on astrology or is the so called (even self > > > proclaimed) Guru - always ask him first to tell something about > > you > > > himself / herself, only then go ahead". > > > > > > > > I have written all this to warn innocent people here lest > they > > > should get cheated. One should avoid consulting astrologers who > > sell > > > gemstone themselves or insist on purchasing from particular > > > jewellers or offer to do poojas and remedies for you on > exorbitant > > > payments. They can do nothing good to you except depriving you > of > > > your hard earned money. > > > > > > > > P.Kumar (Mumbai) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > "Swee Chan" <swee@> > > > > <vedic astrology>; "SJCA" <SJC- > > > Africa>; <sohamsa> > > > > Cc: "'Sanjay Rath'" <sanjayrath@>; "Sarbani" > > > <sarbani@>; "'RICHARD SHAW BROWN'" <rsb@> > > > > Saturday, February 11, 2006 1:01 AM > > > > RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Jyotish Gem Clarity & > Naga > > > Mani > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > > > > > > > Dear Arjun, > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > I fully agree that those who know nothing about gemstones > > and > > > their > > > > > intrinsic values should not recommend them. Let's look at > it > > > this way, if a > > > > > patient goes to a general practitioner with a heart > ailment, > > > what will that > > > > > doctor do? He will do his ethical duty to recommend the > > > patient to a heart > > > > > surgeon. Agree? > > > > > > > > > > We as jyotishas who are intricately linked with gemstones, > > > will not only > > > > > recommend a gemstone, but will take it a step further and > > > search for the > > > > > best gemstone we can as d in the shastras to our > > > clients. We > > > > > consider this our duty to ensure that he/she is given the > > > best. It is also > > > > > based on the person's karma to obtain what is prescribed > to > > > them. Some of > > > > > the people who consult me wait for a long time for a fine > > > gemstone while for > > > > > some, we have it immediately under our tuck. > > > > > > > > > > I have seen so much rubbish gemstones worn by people all > > over. > > > If one cannot > > > > > afford it, maybe next time round (next life) they will. If > > > karma has it that > > > > > we are destined to deal in gemstones, that's the way the > > > cookie crumbles due > > > > > to our punya!!! > > > > > > > > > > For those who keep on accusing us of making money by > > > prescribing gemstones, > > > > > I only have one thing to ask - Do you get paid for your > job > > at > > > the end of > > > > > each month or will you ask your boss to offer you what he > > > thinks you are > > > > > worth at the end of each month? Thank you, I rest my case. > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's gemstone is prescribed in special cases. There are > > > several hints in > > > > > the classics and BPHS and my especial favourite, > > Jyotisharnava > > > Navanitam > > > > > that helps the jytoisha to ascertain whether he/she should > > > prescribe that > > > > > gemstone. I promise I will detail this in my book. > > > > > Gomeda is not exclusive to Hessonite as made out by ALL > > > translators who are > > > > > not versed in the science of gemstones. Period. > > > > > In Garuda Purana, it is said that it brings wealth to the > > > bearer besides > > > > > helping to correct other health issues. > > > > > > > > > > Those who are sick will certainly benefit from resting > under > > a > > > tree (or > > > > > hugging it). It is also dependant of the type of tree, > isn't > > > it? Believe me, > > > > > you wouldn't want to hug an acacia spp!!! If it was 100% > > > beneficial, then no > > > > > one will ever need to build a house nor visit an > astrologer > > or > > > a doctor. > > > > > > > > > > By the way, I am still waiting for your +20 combinations > on > > > eye problems as > > > > > your second message as a repeat of the first. > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > Swee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of > > > panditarjun2004 > > > > > Friday, February 10, 2006 8:54 PM > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Jyotish Gem Clarity & Naga > > Mani > > > > > > > > > > dear kumarji > > > > > > > > > > i fully agree with your remarks. my statement on amitabh > > > getting > > > > > benefited by kashmiri neelam is based on the revelations > by > > > his > > > > > astrologer and other fellow astrologers in various > groups. > > > > > > > > > > i myself do not believe in stones and have not recommended > a > > > stone > > > > > to a single person till date. in various threads in other > > > groups i > > > > > lamented that stones were not recommended by any holy > > > scripture and > > > > > the recent newfound support from narada purana also was > > > unheard > > > > > before. also somewhere i read that humans, animals/birds, > > > > > trees/plants and stones attract energies from the planets > > > 100%, 75%, > > > > > 50% and 25% respectively and hence stones which attract > only > > > 25% > > > > > energy are not worth their money for their 25% effect. > > > > > > > > > > i still fail to understand how stones are recommended for > > rank > > > > > malefics rahu and ketu as seen in several messages in this > > > group. > > > > > since these two are painted as beneficial planets by some > > > > > researchers who are vairagya and moksha karakas, may be > the > > > stones > > > > > are recommended for gaining vairagya and moksha. only > those > > > who > > > > > recommend these stones can answer better. > > > > > > > > > > anyway, i endorse your views on stones but without any > > > criticism on > > > > > the stone believers. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > arjun > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "P Kumar" > > <pkumar24@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you know the strength of horoscope of Amitabh > > Bachchan ? > > > If > > > > > stones work that much, why he reached at the verge of > > > bankruptcy at > > > > > some juncture ? Why did he suffer health wise (and > remember > > we > > > don't > > > > > know everything about his bad health) so seriously ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Tell those Gem-stone selling astrologers to give > > > interpretation on > > > > > strangers' horoscopes and see their caliber. Everything > else > > > is much > > > > > easier. > > > > > > > > > > > > My take on gemstones is that it should be used more as > an > > > > > ornament. Gemstones for functionally benefic planets may > be > > > > > preferred. Nothing can radically change your destiny, at > > least > > > in > > > > > this life. Rather, taking help of mantras and devotion to > > the > > > God is > > > > > more important. Following a simple life helping the needy > > ones > > > may > > > > > give you inner peace and spiritual advancement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.Kumar (Mumbai) > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004@> > > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > > Friday, February 10, 2006 12:46 AM > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Jyotish Gem Clarity & > Naga > > > Mani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear friend kumarji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you are right in saying that selling stones is more a > > > business > > > > > but > > > > > > > for priviliged people like amitabh bachhan who wears > > > genuine > > > > > > > flawless kashmiri blue sapphire, stones work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for those who cannot afford gems, color therapy (akin > to > > > gem > > > > > > > therapy) is an inexpensive inhouse alternative. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > till date i could not find any vedic scripture > > > recommending > > > > > stones > > > > > > > and have not recommended stones to any one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > > > arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "P Kumar" > > > <pkumar24@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't run after gems. It is more a business than > > > anything else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.Kumar (Mumbai) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > "harjeet_bakshi" <harjeet_bakshi@> > > > > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 07, 2006 2:00 AM > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Jyotish Gem Clarity & > > > Naga Mani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected sir, > > > > > > > > > earlier you had adviced me for wearing a ruby > (being > > a > > > scorpio > > > > > > > asc), > > > > > > > > > instead of a diamond(which some astrologer told me > > > because of > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > in relationships). > > > > > > > > > about clearity of gems.. like rubies and emerald, > it > > > would be > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > expensive for unflawed gem as most of them have > > > impurities > > > > > > > included by > > > > > > > > > default which are seen by naked eye itself. so it > > wont > > > be > > > > > > > advisable to > > > > > > > > > wear them if one cant afford the gems in purest > form. > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards > > > > > > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic- > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > > > > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 dear rohiniji since i decided to live with the www gaps that too happily everafter, no comments. with best wishes and regards arjun , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb wrote: > > Sorry panditji, I failed to see the connection between what I posted > (physically not metaphysically!) and your response :-) > > > , "panditarjun2004" > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear Rohini ji > > > > got the message from your metaphysics. this reminds me an > > incident. once we were peforming pooja in a temple and came one > > person in inebriated condition and made revile remarks. the most > > learnt priests and elders just lamented and pitied his condition and > > ignored him even while continuing their poojas. but when his > > vituperations made them unable to focus on their duties (poojas) the > > same elderly people asked the guards to show him the door. > > > > yes you are right we shall learn to show more accommodation of such > > web related gaps and live with them happily everafter. > > > > with best wishes and regards > > arjun > > > > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > While I appreciate the politeness that is reflected in your > > raising > > > this issue and Ashutoshji's response soaking in love and > > > reconciliation -- the fact and reality is that cross postings will > > > occur and essentially anything posted on Internet is potentially > > in > > > the public view. Unless one posts something that is in a closed > > > group that is by invitation only, in which case I think it would > > > signal a non-sharing and even then the moderator would have to > > > indicate that explicitly the rest is questionably 'private'. > > > > > > Truth be told, cross-postings particularly of reading requests and > > > some canned questions are becoming very commonplace and are > > > generally met with silence or irritation. Many of the individuals > > > who use the shotgun approach to 'give me a reading' probably dont > > > even come back to collect readings and this is simply > > disrespectful > > > to say the least. They even forget that they already d > > and > > > try to re using a different email! Seen it all! > > > > > > I understand, and appreciate your nobleness and sense of fairness > > > when you talk about the original poster not having a chance to > > > respond to a comment, critique, rebuttal even if the latter is > > > unintended. However, this is 'occupational' hazard of sorts for > > web- > > > writers/communicators. > > > > > > This should be treated completely differently from the category of > > > responses where for whatever reason, personal and mistaken even > > > delusional, individuals attack and bash others by name and cross > > > that fine line that we all walk in our narrow track of being > > human, > > > that separates us from the animals in its derogatory meaning. > > > > > > Such lines are not crossed, in my opinion, by honest and healthy > > > responses to ideas that even though cross-posted are really not > > > because, if there are two forums with 4000 jyotishophiles, you can > > > be sure that apart from the few accidental entrants, most are > > > members of both communities, at least the vocal ones! > > > > > > I shall now open myself to attacks ;-) > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear ashutosh ji > > > > > > > > while appreciating and endorsing all your views mentioned in > > this > > > > mail, i feel it is not prudent to share threads of Vedic > > Astrology > > > > group in this group that too without the knowledge of those > > > members > > > > since most of them are not active here. Few astrologers have > > > > started cross posting which is not good. the objective of such > > > > cross posting members is that he put his (right or wrong) view > > on > > > > the top of a thread and post it in another group and when none > > of > > > > the members in the thread answer, this cross poster got his > > point > > > > scored and gets an image in that group. this is a cheap > > technique > > > > used by people who wish to earn fame by hook. > > > > > > > > i have already requested tanvir ji in a private mail about these > > > > cross postings and if he allows such most knowledgeful members' > > > > views masked by this cross poster in this group without even > > > making > > > > them aware. > > > > > > > > ashutoshji, needless to say i agree 100% with your views and > > > > opinions and my lament is only about cross posting and not your > > > mail. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and regards > > > > arjun > > > > > > > > --- In , "astrologerashutosh" > > > > <astrologerashutosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear members, > > > > > > > > > > A lot of bashing of gemstone > > > prescribing > > > > astrologers is going on. The alternative to gemstones has been > > > given > > > > as worship of god and mantras, by some members. > > > > > > > > > > I do not believe in any god or religion. But, I > > > prescribe > > > > gemstones to those who can afford them. To say that the gems > > have > > > no > > > > effect at all is also a hardline opposition, which again is not > > a > > > > healthy approach to this subject. > > > > > > > > > > But, it is not a simple matter to prescribe gems after > > > > analysing a horoscope. Only one or two gems, at most, are > > suitable > > > > for any individual. Sometimes, no gems at all are required and a > > > few > > > > simple changes in lifestyle are enough a solutions. > > > > > > > > > > I have personally observed the effects of gems on > > myself > > > > and others. They work very well and have excellent results if > > worn > > > > in the right way. > > > > > > > > > > About the chanting of mantras and worships. Belief is > > a > > > > very strong force. For one who is a believer in God, worship is > > a > > > > potent solution. But, peforming havans and grand poojas is many > > a > > > > times a pretty worse remedy than wearing expensive gemstones. > > Not > > > > every astrologer knows the correct methods of performing yagyas. > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone wondered why the priest-cum-astrologers are > > > > emphasising more on havans and yagyas than gemstones? Here is > > the > > > > actual reason- > > > > > > > > > > Suppose, a client contacts me and I prescribe a Yellow > > > > Sapphire for him. He has no compulsion to buy the sapphire from > > > me. > > > > He has a lot of choices like his family jeweller, his friend who > > > > knows some good dealer, a good contact in a good place, etc. If > > I > > > > emphasise on him buying the gem only from me, he will suspect my > > > > integrity straightaway. > > > > > > > > > > But, for poojas, I can always emphasize that a havan > > > > prescribed by me can be performed correctly only under my > > > guidance. > > > > It also gives a religious aura to the proceedings which is > > enough > > > to > > > > cloud most of the people's reasonings. Then, even if the cost of > > > the > > > > havan is more than any normal gemstone's price, the client will > > > > faithfully pay for it. > > > > > > > > > > The same people who hesitate to wear a gemstone have > > > been > > > > found to spend double the amount on Kaal Sarpa poojas, > > > > Mahamrityunjaya yagyas and so on. > > > > > > > > > > When one buys a gem, at least he has something worthy > > on > > > > his finger which has some value. What about a havan or yagya? > > > > Whether it is performed correctly or not, the individual is left > > > > with only the blessings and ashes in the havan kunda. Only the > > > > priest is happy and with a heavy pocket. > > > > > > > > > > The gems need not be very expesive and flawless. Some > > > > inclusions, silk, fibres are permitted. Even though a gem may be > > > > expensive, it may not be astrologically suitable to be worn. On > > > the > > > > other hand, a cheap and simple gem may give excellent results. > > > > > > > > > > A good astrologer earns so well from consultations > > only > > > > that he does not really need any profit from the gemstone sales. > > > The > > > > gemstone business has its own headaches and no serious > > astrologer > > > > prefers to get embroiled in it. I get gemstones only for those > > > > clients who are not able to get them from anywhere else, due to > > > > their lack of experience or knowledge or contacts. Still, the > > fear > > > > that my honesty and integrity are at stake, keeps haunting me, > > > even > > > > though my clients have their full faith in me. > > > > > > > > > > Those who lack astrological expertise seek to earn by > > > > gemstone sales and havan-poojas. I had received an email from a > > > > person from UK who told me that a Guruji has recommended Neelam > > to > > > > him and he will charge around 1000 pounds for it. 700 pounds for > > > the > > > > gem and 300 for the purification pooja. > > > > > > > > > > I asked him to buy the gem but to purify it free of > > cost > > > > himself at his home and told him the method too through e- mail. > > > > > > > > > > I never prescribe any havans or yagyas to anyone. Yes! > > > > Colour therapies, the daan or donations and self-chanting of > > > > mantras, can be found in remedies given by me. > > > > > > > > > > The best remedies are to bring changes in lifestyle > > and > > > > behaviour. Sadly, everyone wants a quick-fix solution. One does > > > not > > > > want to change one's own behaviour towards others, but expects > > > > others to change. > > > > > > > > > > I often get the queries like, "Please prescribe some > > > > remedy so that my health and finances should improve but I am > > > still > > > > able to drink and gamble to my satisfaction, everyday." What can > > > one > > > > suggest for such a person? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [The services of this astrologer are free on the astrology > > > group, > > > > but consultations on personal e-mail are chargeable] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > sharad kotak > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > Sunday, 12 February, 2006 13:25 > > > > > Re:Jyotish Gem - P. Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear P. Kumar, > > > > > > > > > > I appreciated your efforts to bring the facts to the > > > > surface.Sooner or later , your capabilities will be known to all. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks , > > > > > > > > > > skotak > > > > > > > > > > P Kumar <pkumar24@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Swee, > > > > > You should agree at one point - one who believes in and > > > > recommends a gemstone must be a good astrologer himself / > > herself. > > > > Now remember your visit to Mumbai when you stayed at the house > > of > > > > shri J.K.Dasgupta in Vashi, Mumbai. You were having gemstones > > for > > > > sale with you, almost all of which cost more than Rs. 50,000/-. > > I > > > > (Praveen Kumar then), along with others discussed astrology with > > > you > > > > and had shown you my and my mother's horoscopes. My mother is > > 100% > > > > paralyzed and suffered in almost all respects. However, you > > > > appreciated her horoscope, had given some favourable comments > > > about > > > > her health, even talked about a career for her, declared her > > > married > > > > life very happy etc etc. which all was complete nonsense. After > > > > describing the facts by me, you had justified the same with the > > > same > > > > horoscope. In other readings too, nobody there was impressed > > with > > > > your astrological competence. Neither you have demonstrated your > > > > astrological skills here on this forum of vedic astrology > > > > convincingly. Persons > > > > > like you always elude to comment over unknown horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > My question is that when you can't predict efficiently, how > > > can > > > > you come to know what would have been the results without a > > > gemstone > > > > and that the particular stone has benefited the native. If you > > > > recommend a stone despite all this, what people should think > > about > > > > you ? This is for all astrologers (or quacks) who sell gemstones > > > > themselves or get hefty commission from the Jewelers. It is most > > > > unfortunate that people having blind faith in astrology get > > > cheated > > > > of their hard earned money. > > > > > > > > > > Will you stop all this now or will arrange for some messages > > > > protecting you by stating that you are a good astrologer and > > they > > > > had been benefited by you. Incidentally, I remind the warning of > > > > Shri K.N.Rao - " Never get impressed by the fact that one has > > > > authored books on astrology or is the so called (even self > > > > proclaimed) Guru - always ask him first to tell something about > > > you > > > > himself / herself, only then go ahead". > > > > > > > > > > I have written all this to warn innocent people here lest > > they > > > > should get cheated. One should avoid consulting astrologers who > > > sell > > > > gemstone themselves or insist on purchasing from particular > > > > jewellers or offer to do poojas and remedies for you on > > exorbitant > > > > payments. They can do nothing good to you except depriving you > > of > > > > your hard earned money. > > > > > > > > > > P.Kumar (Mumbai) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > "Swee Chan" <swee@> > > > > > <vedic astrology>; "SJCA" <SJC- > > > > Africa>; <sohamsa> > > > > > Cc: "'Sanjay Rath'" <sanjayrath@>; "Sarbani" > > > > <sarbani@>; "'RICHARD SHAW BROWN'" <rsb@> > > > > > Saturday, February 11, 2006 1:01 AM > > > > > RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Jyotish Gem Clarity & > > Naga > > > > Mani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Arjun, > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > I fully agree that those who know nothing about gemstones > > > and > > > > their > > > > > > intrinsic values should not recommend them. Let's look at > > it > > > > this way, if a > > > > > > patient goes to a general practitioner with a heart > > ailment, > > > > what will that > > > > > > doctor do? He will do his ethical duty to recommend the > > > > patient to a heart > > > > > > surgeon. Agree? > > > > > > > > > > > > We as jyotishas who are intricately linked with gemstones, > > > > will not only > > > > > > recommend a gemstone, but will take it a step further and > > > > search for the > > > > > > best gemstone we can as d in the shastras to our > > > > clients. We > > > > > > consider this our duty to ensure that he/she is given the > > > > best. It is also > > > > > > based on the person's karma to obtain what is prescribed > > to > > > > them. Some of > > > > > > the people who consult me wait for a long time for a fine > > > > gemstone while for > > > > > > some, we have it immediately under our tuck. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have seen so much rubbish gemstones worn by people all > > > over. > > > > If one cannot > > > > > > afford it, maybe next time round (next life) they will. If > > > > karma has it that > > > > > > we are destined to deal in gemstones, that's the way the > > > > cookie crumbles due > > > > > > to our punya!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > For those who keep on accusing us of making money by > > > > prescribing gemstones, > > > > > > I only have one thing to ask - Do you get paid for your > > job > > > at > > > > the end of > > > > > > each month or will you ask your boss to offer you what he > > > > thinks you are > > > > > > worth at the end of each month? Thank you, I rest my case. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's gemstone is prescribed in special cases. There are > > > > several hints in > > > > > > the classics and BPHS and my especial favourite, > > > Jyotisharnava > > > > Navanitam > > > > > > that helps the jytoisha to ascertain whether he/she should > > > > prescribe that > > > > > > gemstone. I promise I will detail this in my book. > > > > > > Gomeda is not exclusive to Hessonite as made out by ALL > > > > translators who are > > > > > > not versed in the science of gemstones. Period. > > > > > > In Garuda Purana, it is said that it brings wealth to the > > > > bearer besides > > > > > > helping to correct other health issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who are sick will certainly benefit from resting > > under > > > a > > > > tree (or > > > > > > hugging it). It is also dependant of the type of tree, > > isn't > > > > it? Believe me, > > > > > > you wouldn't want to hug an acacia spp!!! If it was 100% > > > > beneficial, then no > > > > > > one will ever need to build a house nor visit an > > astrologer > > > or > > > > a doctor. > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, I am still waiting for your +20 combinations > > on > > > > eye problems as > > > > > > your second message as a repeat of the first. > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > Swee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of > > > > panditarjun2004 > > > > > > Friday, February 10, 2006 8:54 PM > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Jyotish Gem Clarity & Naga > > > Mani > > > > > > > > > > > > dear kumarji > > > > > > > > > > > > i fully agree with your remarks. my statement on amitabh > > > > getting > > > > > > benefited by kashmiri neelam is based on the revelations > > by > > > > his > > > > > > astrologer and other fellow astrologers in various > > groups. > > > > > > > > > > > > i myself do not believe in stones and have not recommended > > a > > > > stone > > > > > > to a single person till date. in various threads in other > > > > groups i > > > > > > lamented that stones were not recommended by any holy > > > > scripture and > > > > > > the recent newfound support from narada purana also was > > > > unheard > > > > > > before. also somewhere i read that humans, animals/birds, > > > > > > trees/plants and stones attract energies from the planets > > > > 100%, 75%, > > > > > > 50% and 25% respectively and hence stones which attract > > only > > > > 25% > > > > > > energy are not worth their money for their 25% effect. > > > > > > > > > > > > i still fail to understand how stones are recommended for > > > rank > > > > > > malefics rahu and ketu as seen in several messages in this > > > > group. > > > > > > since these two are painted as beneficial planets by some > > > > > > researchers who are vairagya and moksha karakas, may be > > the > > > > stones > > > > > > are recommended for gaining vairagya and moksha. only > > those > > > > who > > > > > > recommend these stones can answer better. > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway, i endorse your views on stones but without any > > > > criticism on > > > > > > the stone believers. > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > > arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "P Kumar" > > > <pkumar24@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you know the strength of horoscope of Amitabh > > > Bachchan ? > > > > If > > > > > > stones work that much, why he reached at the verge of > > > > bankruptcy at > > > > > > some juncture ? Why did he suffer health wise (and > > remember > > > we > > > > don't > > > > > > know everything about his bad health) so seriously ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tell those Gem-stone selling astrologers to give > > > > interpretation on > > > > > > strangers' horoscopes and see their caliber. Everything > > else > > > > is much > > > > > > easier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My take on gemstones is that it should be used more as > > an > > > > > > ornament. Gemstones for functionally benefic planets may > > be > > > > > > preferred. Nothing can radically change your destiny, at > > > least > > > > in > > > > > > this life. Rather, taking help of mantras and devotion to > > > the > > > > God is > > > > > > more important. Following a simple life helping the needy > > > ones > > > > may > > > > > > give you inner peace and spiritual advancement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.Kumar (Mumbai) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004@> > > > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > > > Friday, February 10, 2006 12:46 AM > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Jyotish Gem Clarity & > > Naga > > > > Mani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear friend kumarji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you are right in saying that selling stones is more a > > > > business > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > for priviliged people like amitabh bachhan who wears > > > > genuine > > > > > > > > flawless kashmiri blue sapphire, stones work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for those who cannot afford gems, color therapy (akin > > to > > > > gem > > > > > > > > therapy) is an inexpensive inhouse alternative. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > till date i could not find any vedic scripture > > > > recommending > > > > > > stones > > > > > > > > and have not recommended stones to any one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > > > > arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "P Kumar" > > > > <pkumar24@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't run after gems. It is more a business than > > > > anything else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.Kumar (Mumbai) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > "harjeet_bakshi" <harjeet_bakshi@> > > > > > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 07, 2006 2:00 AM > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Jyotish Gem Clarity & > > > > Naga Mani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected sir, > > > > > > > > > > earlier you had adviced me for wearing a ruby > > (being > > > a > > > > scorpio > > > > > > > > asc), > > > > > > > > > > instead of a diamond(which some astrologer told me > > > > because of > > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > > in relationships). > > > > > > > > > > about clearity of gems.. like rubies and emerald, > > it > > > > would be > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > expensive for unflawed gem as most of them have > > > > impurities > > > > > > > > included by > > > > > > > > > > default which are seen by naked eye itself. so it > > > wont > > > > be > > > > > > > > advisable to > > > > > > > > > > wear them if one cant afford the gems in purest > > form. > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards > > > > > > > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic- > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > > > > > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 I will respect your obvious need for privacy in this matter and not probe further :-) RR , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear rohiniji > since i decided to live with the www gaps that too happily > everafter, no comments. > with best wishes and regards > arjun > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@> > wrote: > > > > Sorry panditji, I failed to see the connection between what I > posted > > (physically not metaphysically!) and your response :-) > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear Rohini ji > > > > > > got the message from your metaphysics. this reminds me an > > > incident. once we were peforming pooja in a temple and came one > > > person in inebriated condition and made revile remarks. the > most > > > learnt priests and elders just lamented and pitied his condition > and > > > ignored him even while continuing their poojas. but when his > > > vituperations made them unable to focus on their duties (poojas) > the > > > same elderly people asked the guards to show him the door. > > > > > > yes you are right we shall learn to show more accommodation of > such > > > web related gaps and live with them happily everafter. > > > > > > with best wishes and regards > > > arjun > > > > > > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > While I appreciate the politeness that is reflected in your > > > raising > > > > this issue and Ashutoshji's response soaking in love and > > > > reconciliation -- the fact and reality is that cross postings > will > > > > occur and essentially anything posted on Internet is > potentially > > > in > > > > the public view. Unless one posts something that is in a > closed > > > > group that is by invitation only, in which case I think it > would > > > > signal a non-sharing and even then the moderator would have to > > > > indicate that explicitly the rest is questionably 'private'. > > > > > > > > Truth be told, cross-postings particularly of reading requests > and > > > > some canned questions are becoming very commonplace and are > > > > generally met with silence or irritation. Many of the > individuals > > > > who use the shotgun approach to 'give me a reading' probably > dont > > > > even come back to collect readings and this is simply > > > disrespectful > > > > to say the least. They even forget that they already > d > > > and > > > > try to re using a different email! Seen it all! > > > > > > > > I understand, and appreciate your nobleness and sense of > fairness > > > > when you talk about the original poster not having a chance to > > > > respond to a comment, critique, rebuttal even if the latter is > > > > unintended. However, this is 'occupational' hazard of sorts > for > > > web- > > > > writers/communicators. > > > > > > > > This should be treated completely differently from the > category of > > > > responses where for whatever reason, personal and mistaken > even > > > > delusional, individuals attack and bash others by name and > cross > > > > that fine line that we all walk in our narrow track of being > > > human, > > > > that separates us from the animals in its derogatory meaning. > > > > > > > > Such lines are not crossed, in my opinion, by honest and > healthy > > > > responses to ideas that even though cross-posted are really > not > > > > because, if there are two forums with 4000 jyotishophiles, you > can > > > > be sure that apart from the few accidental entrants, most are > > > > members of both communities, at least the vocal ones! > > > > > > > > I shall now open myself to attacks ;-) > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear ashutosh ji > > > > > > > > > > while appreciating and endorsing all your views mentioned in > > > this > > > > > mail, i feel it is not prudent to share threads of Vedic > > > Astrology > > > > > group in this group that too without the knowledge of those > > > > members > > > > > since most of them are not active here. Few astrologers > have > > > > > started cross posting which is not good. the objective of > such > > > > > cross posting members is that he put his (right or wrong) > view > > > on > > > > > the top of a thread and post it in another group and when > none > > > of > > > > > the members in the thread answer, this cross poster got his > > > point > > > > > scored and gets an image in that group. this is a cheap > > > technique > > > > > used by people who wish to earn fame by hook. > > > > > > > > > > i have already requested tanvir ji in a private mail about > these > > > > > cross postings and if he allows such most knowledgeful > members' > > > > > views masked by this cross poster in this group without even > > > > making > > > > > them aware. > > > > > > > > > > ashutoshji, needless to say i agree 100% with your views and > > > > > opinions and my lament is only about cross posting and not > your > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and regards > > > > > arjun > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , "astrologerashutosh" > > > > > <astrologerashutosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear members, > > > > > > > > > > > > A lot of bashing of gemstone > > > > prescribing > > > > > astrologers is going on. The alternative to gemstones has > been > > > > given > > > > > as worship of god and mantras, by some members. > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not believe in any god or religion. But, I > > > > prescribe > > > > > gemstones to those who can afford them. To say that the gems > > > have > > > > no > > > > > effect at all is also a hardline opposition, which again is > not > > > a > > > > > healthy approach to this subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > But, it is not a simple matter to prescribe gems > after > > > > > analysing a horoscope. Only one or two gems, at most, are > > > suitable > > > > > for any individual. Sometimes, no gems at all are required > and a > > > > few > > > > > simple changes in lifestyle are enough a solutions. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have personally observed the effects of gems on > > > myself > > > > > and others. They work very well and have excellent results > if > > > worn > > > > > in the right way. > > > > > > > > > > > > About the chanting of mantras and worships. Belief > is > > > a > > > > > very strong force. For one who is a believer in God, worship > is > > > a > > > > > potent solution. But, peforming havans and grand poojas is > many > > > a > > > > > times a pretty worse remedy than wearing expensive > gemstones. > > > Not > > > > > every astrologer knows the correct methods of performing > yagyas. > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone wondered why the priest-cum-astrologers > are > > > > > emphasising more on havans and yagyas than gemstones? Here > is > > > the > > > > > actual reason- > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose, a client contacts me and I prescribe a > Yellow > > > > > Sapphire for him. He has no compulsion to buy the sapphire > from > > > > me. > > > > > He has a lot of choices like his family jeweller, his friend > who > > > > > knows some good dealer, a good contact in a good place, etc. > If > > > I > > > > > emphasise on him buying the gem only from me, he will > suspect my > > > > > integrity straightaway. > > > > > > > > > > > > But, for poojas, I can always emphasize that a > havan > > > > > prescribed by me can be performed correctly only under my > > > > guidance. > > > > > It also gives a religious aura to the proceedings which is > > > enough > > > > to > > > > > cloud most of the people's reasonings. Then, even if the > cost of > > > > the > > > > > havan is more than any normal gemstone's price, the client > will > > > > > faithfully pay for it. > > > > > > > > > > > > The same people who hesitate to wear a gemstone > have > > > > been > > > > > found to spend double the amount on Kaal Sarpa poojas, > > > > > Mahamrityunjaya yagyas and so on. > > > > > > > > > > > > When one buys a gem, at least he has something > worthy > > > on > > > > > his finger which has some value. What about a havan or > yagya? > > > > > Whether it is performed correctly or not, the individual is > left > > > > > with only the blessings and ashes in the havan kunda. Only > the > > > > > priest is happy and with a heavy pocket. > > > > > > > > > > > > The gems need not be very expesive and flawless. > Some > > > > > inclusions, silk, fibres are permitted. Even though a gem > may be > > > > > expensive, it may not be astrologically suitable to be worn. > On > > > > the > > > > > other hand, a cheap and simple gem may give excellent > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > A good astrologer earns so well from consultations > > > only > > > > > that he does not really need any profit from the gemstone > sales. > > > > The > > > > > gemstone business has its own headaches and no serious > > > astrologer > > > > > prefers to get embroiled in it. I get gemstones only for > those > > > > > clients who are not able to get them from anywhere else, due > to > > > > > their lack of experience or knowledge or contacts. Still, > the > > > fear > > > > > that my honesty and integrity are at stake, keeps haunting > me, > > > > even > > > > > though my clients have their full faith in me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who lack astrological expertise seek to earn > by > > > > > gemstone sales and havan-poojas. I had received an email > from a > > > > > person from UK who told me that a Guruji has recommended > Neelam > > > to > > > > > him and he will charge around 1000 pounds for it. 700 pounds > for > > > > the > > > > > gem and 300 for the purification pooja. > > > > > > > > > > > > I asked him to buy the gem but to purify it free > of > > > cost > > > > > himself at his home and told him the method too through e- > mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > I never prescribe any havans or yagyas to anyone. > Yes! > > > > > Colour therapies, the daan or donations and self-chanting of > > > > > mantras, can be found in remedies given by me. > > > > > > > > > > > > The best remedies are to bring changes in > lifestyle > > > and > > > > > behaviour. Sadly, everyone wants a quick-fix solution. One > does > > > > not > > > > > want to change one's own behaviour towards others, but > expects > > > > > others to change. > > > > > > > > > > > > I often get the queries like, "Please prescribe > some > > > > > remedy so that my health and finances should improve but I > am > > > > still > > > > > able to drink and gamble to my satisfaction, everyday." What > can > > > > one > > > > > suggest for such a person? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [The services of this astrologer are free on the astrology > > > > group, > > > > > but consultations on personal e-mail are chargeable] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > sharad kotak > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > Sunday, 12 February, 2006 13:25 > > > > > > Re:Jyotish Gem - P. Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear P. Kumar, > > > > > > > > > > > > I appreciated your efforts to bring the facts to the > > > > > surface.Sooner or later , your capabilities will be known to > all. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks , > > > > > > > > > > > > skotak > > > > > > > > > > > > P Kumar <pkumar24@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Swee, > > > > > > You should agree at one point - one who believes in and > > > > > recommends a gemstone must be a good astrologer himself / > > > herself. > > > > > Now remember your visit to Mumbai when you stayed at the > house > > > of > > > > > shri J.K.Dasgupta in Vashi, Mumbai. You were having > gemstones > > > for > > > > > sale with you, almost all of which cost more than Rs. > 50,000/-. > > > I > > > > > (Praveen Kumar then), along with others discussed astrology > with > > > > you > > > > > and had shown you my and my mother's horoscopes. My mother > is > > > 100% > > > > > paralyzed and suffered in almost all respects. However, you > > > > > appreciated her horoscope, had given some favourable > comments > > > > about > > > > > her health, even talked about a career for her, declared her > > > > married > > > > > life very happy etc etc. which all was complete nonsense. > After > > > > > describing the facts by me, you had justified the same with > the > > > > same > > > > > horoscope. In other readings too, nobody there was impressed > > > with > > > > > your astrological competence. Neither you have demonstrated > your > > > > > astrological skills here on this forum of vedic astrology > > > > > convincingly. Persons > > > > > > like you always elude to comment over unknown > horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > My question is that when you can't predict efficiently, > how > > > > can > > > > > you come to know what would have been the results without a > > > > gemstone > > > > > and that the particular stone has benefited the native. If > you > > > > > recommend a stone despite all this, what people should think > > > about > > > > > you ? This is for all astrologers (or quacks) who sell > gemstones > > > > > themselves or get hefty commission from the Jewelers. It is > most > > > > > unfortunate that people having blind faith in astrology get > > > > cheated > > > > > of their hard earned money. > > > > > > > > > > > > Will you stop all this now or will arrange for some > messages > > > > > protecting you by stating that you are a good astrologer and > > > they > > > > > had been benefited by you. Incidentally, I remind the > warning of > > > > > Shri K.N.Rao - " Never get impressed by the fact that one > has > > > > > authored books on astrology or is the so called (even self > > > > > proclaimed) Guru - always ask him first to tell something > about > > > > you > > > > > himself / herself, only then go ahead". > > > > > > > > > > > > I have written all this to warn innocent people here > lest > > > they > > > > > should get cheated. One should avoid consulting astrologers > who > > > > sell > > > > > gemstone themselves or insist on purchasing from particular > > > > > jewellers or offer to do poojas and remedies for you on > > > exorbitant > > > > > payments. They can do nothing good to you except depriving > you > > > of > > > > > your hard earned money. > > > > > > > > > > > > P.Kumar (Mumbai) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > "Swee Chan" <swee@> > > > > > > <vedic astrology>; "SJCA" <SJC- > > > > > Africa>; <sohamsa> > > > > > > Cc: "'Sanjay Rath'" <sanjayrath@>; "Sarbani" > > > > > <sarbani@>; "'RICHARD SHAW BROWN'" <rsb@> > > > > > > Saturday, February 11, 2006 1:01 AM > > > > > > RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Jyotish Gem Clarity & > > > Naga > > > > > Mani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Arjun, > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fully agree that those who know nothing about > gemstones > > > > and > > > > > their > > > > > > > intrinsic values should not recommend them. Let's look > at > > > it > > > > > this way, if a > > > > > > > patient goes to a general practitioner with a heart > > > ailment, > > > > > what will that > > > > > > > doctor do? He will do his ethical duty to recommend > the > > > > > patient to a heart > > > > > > > surgeon. Agree? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We as jyotishas who are intricately linked with > gemstones, > > > > > will not only > > > > > > > recommend a gemstone, but will take it a step further > and > > > > > search for the > > > > > > > best gemstone we can as d in the shastras to > our > > > > > clients. We > > > > > > > consider this our duty to ensure that he/she is given > the > > > > > best. It is also > > > > > > > based on the person's karma to obtain what is > prescribed > > > to > > > > > them. Some of > > > > > > > the people who consult me wait for a long time for a > fine > > > > > gemstone while for > > > > > > > some, we have it immediately under our tuck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have seen so much rubbish gemstones worn by people > all > > > > over. > > > > > If one cannot > > > > > > > afford it, maybe next time round (next life) they > will. If > > > > > karma has it that > > > > > > > we are destined to deal in gemstones, that's the way > the > > > > > cookie crumbles due > > > > > > > to our punya!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For those who keep on accusing us of making money by > > > > > prescribing gemstones, > > > > > > > I only have one thing to ask - Do you get paid for > your > > > job > > > > at > > > > > the end of > > > > > > > each month or will you ask your boss to offer you what > he > > > > > thinks you are > > > > > > > worth at the end of each month? Thank you, I rest my > case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's gemstone is prescribed in special cases. There > are > > > > > several hints in > > > > > > > the classics and BPHS and my especial favourite, > > > > Jyotisharnava > > > > > Navanitam > > > > > > > that helps the jytoisha to ascertain whether he/she > should > > > > > prescribe that > > > > > > > gemstone. I promise I will detail this in my book. > > > > > > > Gomeda is not exclusive to Hessonite as made out by > ALL > > > > > translators who are > > > > > > > not versed in the science of gemstones. Period. > > > > > > > In Garuda Purana, it is said that it brings wealth to > the > > > > > bearer besides > > > > > > > helping to correct other health issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who are sick will certainly benefit from resting > > > under > > > > a > > > > > tree (or > > > > > > > hugging it). It is also dependant of the type of tree, > > > isn't > > > > > it? Believe me, > > > > > > > you wouldn't want to hug an acacia spp!!! If it was > 100% > > > > > beneficial, then no > > > > > > > one will ever need to build a house nor visit an > > > astrologer > > > > or > > > > > a doctor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, I am still waiting for your +20 > combinations > > > on > > > > > eye problems as > > > > > > > your second message as a repeat of the first. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > Swee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of > > > > > panditarjun2004 > > > > > > > Friday, February 10, 2006 8:54 PM > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Jyotish Gem Clarity & > Naga > > > > Mani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear kumarji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i fully agree with your remarks. my statement on > amitabh > > > > > getting > > > > > > > benefited by kashmiri neelam is based on the > revelations > > > by > > > > > his > > > > > > > astrologer and other fellow astrologers in various > > > groups. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i myself do not believe in stones and have not > recommended > > > a > > > > > stone > > > > > > > to a single person till date. in various threads in > other > > > > > groups i > > > > > > > lamented that stones were not recommended by any holy > > > > > scripture and > > > > > > > the recent newfound support from narada purana also > was > > > > > unheard > > > > > > > before. also somewhere i read that humans, > animals/birds, > > > > > > > trees/plants and stones attract energies from the > planets > > > > > 100%, 75%, > > > > > > > 50% and 25% respectively and hence stones which > attract > > > only > > > > > 25% > > > > > > > energy are not worth their money for their 25% > effect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i still fail to understand how stones are recommended > for > > > > rank > > > > > > > malefics rahu and ketu as seen in several messages in > this > > > > > group. > > > > > > > since these two are painted as beneficial planets by > some > > > > > > > researchers who are vairagya and moksha karakas, may > be > > > the > > > > > stones > > > > > > > are recommended for gaining vairagya and moksha. only > > > those > > > > > who > > > > > > > recommend these stones can answer better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway, i endorse your views on stones but without any > > > > > criticism on > > > > > > > the stone believers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > > > arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "P Kumar" > > > > <pkumar24@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you know the strength of horoscope of Amitabh > > > > Bachchan ? > > > > > If > > > > > > > stones work that much, why he reached at the verge of > > > > > bankruptcy at > > > > > > > some juncture ? Why did he suffer health wise (and > > > remember > > > > we > > > > > don't > > > > > > > know everything about his bad health) so seriously ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tell those Gem-stone selling astrologers to give > > > > > interpretation on > > > > > > > strangers' horoscopes and see their caliber. > Everything > > > else > > > > > is much > > > > > > > easier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My take on gemstones is that it should be used more > as > > > an > > > > > > > ornament. Gemstones for functionally benefic planets > may > > > be > > > > > > > preferred. Nothing can radically change your destiny, > at > > > > least > > > > > in > > > > > > > this life. Rather, taking help of mantras and devotion > to > > > > the > > > > > God is > > > > > > > more important. Following a simple life helping the > needy > > > > ones > > > > > may > > > > > > > give you inner peace and spiritual advancement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.Kumar (Mumbai) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004@> > > > > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > > > > Friday, February 10, 2006 12:46 AM > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Jyotish Gem Clarity & > > > Naga > > > > > Mani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear friend kumarji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you are right in saying that selling stones is > more a > > > > > business > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > for priviliged people like amitabh bachhan who > wears > > > > > genuine > > > > > > > > > flawless kashmiri blue sapphire, stones work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for those who cannot afford gems, color therapy > (akin > > > to > > > > > gem > > > > > > > > > therapy) is an inexpensive inhouse alternative. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > till date i could not find any vedic scripture > > > > > recommending > > > > > > > stones > > > > > > > > > and have not recommended stones to any one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > > > > > arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "P Kumar" > > > > > <pkumar24@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't run after gems. It is more a business than > > > > > anything else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.Kumar (Mumbai) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > "harjeet_bakshi" <harjeet_bakshi@> > > > > > > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 07, 2006 2:00 AM > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Jyotish Gem > Clarity & > > > > > Naga Mani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected sir, > > > > > > > > > > > earlier you had adviced me for wearing a ruby > > > (being > > > > a > > > > > scorpio > > > > > > > > > asc), > > > > > > > > > > > instead of a diamond(which some astrologer > told me > > > > > because of > > > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > > > in relationships). > > > > > > > > > > > about clearity of gems.. like rubies and > emerald, > > > it > > > > > would be > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > expensive for unflawed gem as most of them > have > > > > > impurities > > > > > > > > > included by > > > > > > > > > > > default which are seen by naked eye itself. so > it > > > > wont > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > advisable to > > > > > > > > > > > wear them if one cant afford the gems in > purest > > > form. > > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards > > > > > > > > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic- > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > > > > > > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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