HOW TO KNOW ISHTA DEVATA BY JYOTISHA METHOID.

February 14, 2006

Dear Pandits and friends.

In different traditions Shani said to be a significator of Narayan-

Pradjapati-Yama-Kurmavatar and so on. Some tantric sources say that Kali also

can show Shani.

Many years ago I was initiated in Tantric mantra of Mahalakshmi and I

meditated on it in regular metter. I was a very young and did just what

respected adultes told me to do. I had some good moments in my practice, but

for a few year I started to realise it is not my mantra, not my Devata .Now I

spontaniously see in my meditation black naced lady with golden decorations and

feel bliss. I am Vrishchik with Chandra in Mina, Surya as Atmakaraka. In

Navamsa 12-th house from Surya is Cancer with re-moving Shani. Cold anyone

kindly tell me anything about a corect way to choose Ishta in my case. Thank

you.

panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear ashutosh ji

while appreciating and endorsing all your views mentioned in this

mail, i feel it is not prudent to share threads of Vedic Astrology

group in this group that too without the knowledge of those members

since most of them are not active here. Few astrologers have

started cross posting which is not good. the objective of such

cross posting members is that he put his (right or wrong) view on

the top of a thread and post it in another group and when none of

the members in the thread answer, this cross poster got his point

scored and gets an image in that group. this is a cheap technique

used by people who wish to earn fame by hook.

i have already requested tanvir ji in a private mail about these

cross postings and if he allows such most knowledgeful members'

views masked by this cross poster in this group without even making

them aware.

ashutoshji, needless to say i agree 100% with your views and

opinions and my lament is only about cross posting and not your mail.

with best wishes and regards

arjun

, "astrologerashutosh"

<astrologerashutosh wrote:

>

> Dear members,

>

> A lot of bashing of gemstone prescribing

astrologers is going on. The alternative to gemstones has been given

as worship of god and mantras, by some members.

>

> I do not believe in any god or religion. But, I prescribe

gemstones to those who can afford them. To say that the gems have no

effect at all is also a hardline opposition, which again is not a

healthy approach to this subject.

>

> But, it is not a simple matter to prescribe gems after

analysing a horoscope. Only one or two gems, at most, are suitable

for any individual. Sometimes, no gems at all are required and a few

simple changes in lifestyle are enough a solutions.

>

> I have personally observed the effects of gems on myself

and others. They work very well and have excellent results if worn

in the right way.

>

> About the chanting of mantras and worships. Belief is a

very strong force. For one who is a believer in God, worship is a

potent solution. But, peforming havans and grand poojas is many a

times a pretty worse remedy than wearing expensive gemstones. Not

every astrologer knows the correct methods of performing yagyas.

>

> Has anyone wondered why the priest-cum-astrologers are

emphasising more on havans and yagyas than gemstones? Here is the

actual reason-

>

> Suppose, a client contacts me and I prescribe a Yellow

Sapphire for him. He has no compulsion to buy the sapphire from me.

He has a lot of choices like his family jeweller, his friend who

knows some good dealer, a good contact in a good place, etc. If I

emphasise on him buying the gem only from me, he will suspect my

integrity straightaway.

>

> But, for poojas, I can always emphasize that a havan

prescribed by me can be performed correctly only under my guidance.

It also gives a religious aura to the proceedings which is enough to

cloud most of the people's reasonings. Then, even if the cost of the

havan is more than any normal gemstone's price, the client will

faithfully pay for it.

>

> The same people who hesitate to wear a gemstone have been

found to spend double the amount on Kaal Sarpa poojas,

Mahamrityunjaya yagyas and so on.

>

> When one buys a gem, at least he has something worthy on

his finger which has some value. What about a havan or yagya?

Whether it is performed correctly or not, the individual is left

with only the blessings and ashes in the havan kunda. Only the

priest is happy and with a heavy pocket.

>

> The gems need not be very expesive and flawless. Some

inclusions, silk, fibres are permitted. Even though a gem may be

expensive, it may not be astrologically suitable to be worn. On the

other hand, a cheap and simple gem may give excellent results.

>

> A good astrologer earns so well from consultations only

that he does not really need any profit from the gemstone sales. The

gemstone business has its own headaches and no serious astrologer

prefers to get embroiled in it. I get gemstones only for those

clients who are not able to get them from anywhere else, due to

their lack of experience or knowledge or contacts. Still, the fear

that my honesty and integrity are at stake, keeps haunting me, even

though my clients have their full faith in me.

>

> Those who lack astrological expertise seek to earn by

gemstone sales and havan-poojas. I had received an email from a

person from UK who told me that a Guruji has recommended Neelam to

him and he will charge around 1000 pounds for it. 700 pounds for the

gem and 300 for the purification pooja.

>

> I asked him to buy the gem but to purify it free of cost

himself at his home and told him the method too through e-mail.

>

> I never prescribe any havans or yagyas to anyone. Yes!

Colour therapies, the daan or donations and self-chanting of

mantras, can be found in remedies given by me.

>

> The best remedies are to bring changes in lifestyle and

behaviour. Sadly, everyone wants a quick-fix solution. One does not

want to change one's own behaviour towards others, but expects

others to change.

>

> I often get the queries like, "Please prescribe some

remedy so that my health and finances should improve but I am still

able to drink and gamble to my satisfaction, everyday." What can one

suggest for such a person?

>

> Regards,

>

> Ashutosh

>

> [The services of this astrologer are free on the astrology group,

but consultations on personal e-mail are chargeable]

>

> -

> sharad kotak

> vedic astrology

> Sunday, 12 February, 2006 13:25

> Re:Jyotish Gem - P. Kumar

>

> Dear P. Kumar,

>

> I appreciated your efforts to bring the facts to the

surface.Sooner or later , your capabilities will be known to all.

>

> Thanks ,

>

> skotak

>

> P Kumar <pkumar24 wrote:

> Dear Swee,

> You should agree at one point - one who believes in and

recommends a gemstone must be a good astrologer himself / herself.

Now remember your visit to Mumbai when you stayed at the house of

shri J.K.Dasgupta in Vashi, Mumbai. You were having gemstones for

sale with you, almost all of which cost more than Rs. 50,000/-. I

(Praveen Kumar then), along with others discussed astrology with you

and had shown you my and my mother's horoscopes. My mother is 100%

paralyzed and suffered in almost all respects. However, you

appreciated her horoscope, had given some favourable comments about

her health, even talked about a career for her, declared her married

life very happy etc etc. which all was complete nonsense. After

describing the facts by me, you had justified the same with the same

horoscope. In other readings too, nobody there was impressed with

your astrological competence. Neither you have demonstrated your

astrological skills here on this forum of vedic astrology

convincingly. Persons

> like you always elude to comment over unknown horoscope.

>

> My question is that when you can't predict efficiently, how can

you come to know what would have been the results without a gemstone

and that the particular stone has benefited the native. If you

recommend a stone despite all this, what people should think about

you ? This is for all astrologers (or quacks) who sell gemstones

themselves or get hefty commission from the Jewelers. It is most

unfortunate that people having blind faith in astrology get cheated

of their hard earned money.

>

> Will you stop all this now or will arrange for some messages

protecting you by stating that you are a good astrologer and they

had been benefited by you. Incidentally, I remind the warning of

Shri K.N.Rao - " Never get impressed by the fact that one has

authored books on astrology or is the so called (even self

proclaimed) Guru - always ask him first to tell something about you

himself / herself, only then go ahead".

>

> I have written all this to warn innocent people here lest they

should get cheated. One should avoid consulting astrologers who sell

gemstone themselves or insist on purchasing from particular

jewellers or offer to do poojas and remedies for you on exorbitant

payments. They can do nothing good to you except depriving you of

your hard earned money.

>

> P.Kumar (Mumbai)

>

> -

> "Swee Chan" <swee

> <vedic astrology>; "SJCA" <SJC-

Africa>; <sohamsa>

> Cc: "'Sanjay Rath'" <sanjayrath; "Sarbani"

<sarbani; "'RICHARD SHAW BROWN'" <rsb

> Saturday, February 11, 2006 1:01 AM

> RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Jyotish Gem Clarity & Naga

Mani

>

> > Jaya Jagannatha

> >

> > Dear Arjun,

> > Namaste

> >

> > I fully agree that those who know nothing about gemstones and

their

> > intrinsic values should not recommend them. Let's look at it

this way, if a

> > patient goes to a general practitioner with a heart ailment,

what will that

> > doctor do? He will do his ethical duty to recommend the

patient to a heart

> > surgeon. Agree?

> >

> > We as jyotishas who are intricately linked with gemstones,

will not only

> > recommend a gemstone, but will take it a step further and

search for the

> > best gemstone we can as d in the shastras to our

clients. We

> > consider this our duty to ensure that he/she is given the

best. It is also

> > based on the person's karma to obtain what is prescribed to

them. Some of

> > the people who consult me wait for a long time for a fine

gemstone while for

> > some, we have it immediately under our tuck.

> >

> > I have seen so much rubbish gemstones worn by people all over.

If one cannot

> > afford it, maybe next time round (next life) they will. If

karma has it that

> > we are destined to deal in gemstones, that's the way the

cookie crumbles due

> > to our punya!!!

> >

> > For those who keep on accusing us of making money by

prescribing gemstones,

> > I only have one thing to ask - Do you get paid for your job at

the end of

> > each month or will you ask your boss to offer you what he

thinks you are

> > worth at the end of each month? Thank you, I rest my case.

> >

> > Rahu's gemstone is prescribed in special cases. There are

several hints in

> > the classics and BPHS and my especial favourite, Jyotisharnava

Navanitam

> > that helps the jytoisha to ascertain whether he/she should

prescribe that

> > gemstone. I promise I will detail this in my book.

> > Gomeda is not exclusive to Hessonite as made out by ALL

translators who are

> > not versed in the science of gemstones. Period.

> > In Garuda Purana, it is said that it brings wealth to the

bearer besides

> > helping to correct other health issues.

> >

> > Those who are sick will certainly benefit from resting under a

tree (or

> > hugging it). It is also dependant of the type of tree, isn't

it? Believe me,

> > you wouldn't want to hug an acacia spp!!! If it was 100%

beneficial, then no

> > one will ever need to build a house nor visit an astrologer or

a doctor.

> >

> > By the way, I am still waiting for your +20 combinations on

eye problems as

> > your second message as a repeat of the first.

> >

> > Love,

> > Swee

> >

> > vedic astrology

> > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of

panditarjun2004

> > Friday, February 10, 2006 8:54 PM

> > vedic astrology

> > [vedic astrology] Re: Jyotish Gem Clarity & Naga Mani

> >

> > dear kumarji

> >

> > i fully agree with your remarks. my statement on amitabh

getting

> > benefited by kashmiri neelam is based on the revelations by

his

> > astrologer and other fellow astrologers in various groups.

> >

> > i myself do not believe in stones and have not recommended a

stone

> > to a single person till date. in various threads in other

groups i

> > lamented that stones were not recommended by any holy

scripture and

> > the recent newfound support from narada purana also was

unheard

> > before. also somewhere i read that humans, animals/birds,

> > trees/plants and stones attract energies from the planets

100%, 75%,

> > 50% and 25% respectively and hence stones which attract only

25%

> > energy are not worth their money for their 25% effect.

> >

> > i still fail to understand how stones are recommended for rank

> > malefics rahu and ketu as seen in several messages in this

group.

> > since these two are painted as beneficial planets by some

> > researchers who are vairagya and moksha karakas, may be the

stones

> > are recommended for gaining vairagya and moksha. only those

who

> > recommend these stones can answer better.

> >

> > anyway, i endorse your views on stones but without any

criticism on

> > the stone believers.

> >

> > with best wishes

> > arjun

> >

> > vedic astrology, "P Kumar" <pkumar24@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Do you know the strength of horoscope of Amitabh Bachchan ?

If

> > stones work that much, why he reached at the verge of

bankruptcy at

> > some juncture ? Why did he suffer health wise (and remember we

don't

> > know everything about his bad health) so seriously ?

> > >

> > > Tell those Gem-stone selling astrologers to give

interpretation on

> > strangers' horoscopes and see their caliber. Everything else

is much

> > easier.

> > >

> > > My take on gemstones is that it should be used more as an

> > ornament. Gemstones for functionally benefic planets may be

> > preferred. Nothing can radically change your destiny, at least

in

> > this life. Rather, taking help of mantras and devotion to the

God is

> > more important. Following a simple life helping the needy ones

may

> > give you inner peace and spiritual advancement.

> > >

> > > P.Kumar (Mumbai)

> > >

> > > -

> > > "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004@>

> > > <vedic astrology>

> > > Friday, February 10, 2006 12:46 AM

> > > [vedic astrology] Re: Jyotish Gem Clarity & Naga

Mani

> > >

> > > > dear friend kumarji

> > > >

> > > > you are right in saying that selling stones is more a

business

> > but

> > > > for priviliged people like amitabh bachhan who wears

genuine

> > > > flawless kashmiri blue sapphire, stones work.

> > > >

> > > > for those who cannot afford gems, color therapy (akin to

gem

> > > > therapy) is an inexpensive inhouse alternative.

> > > >

> > > > till date i could not find any vedic scripture

recommending

> > stones

> > > > and have not recommended stones to any one.

> > > >

> > > > with best wishes

> > > > arjun

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "P Kumar"

<pkumar24@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Don't run after gems. It is more a business than

anything else.

> > > > >

> > > > > P.Kumar (Mumbai)

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > "harjeet_bakshi" <harjeet_bakshi@>

> > > > > <vedic astrology>

> > > > > Tuesday, February 07, 2006 2:00 AM

> > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Jyotish Gem Clarity &

Naga Mani

> > > > >

> > > > > > respected sir,

> > > > > > earlier you had adviced me for wearing a ruby(being a

scorpio

> > > > asc),

> > > > > > instead of a diamond(which some astrologer told me

because of

> > > > problems

> > > > > > in relationships).

> > > > > > about clearity of gems.. like rubies and emerald, it

would be

> > > > very

> > > > > > expensive for unflawed gem as most of them have

impurities

> > > > included by

> > > > > > default which are seen by naked eye itself. so it wont

be

> > > > advisable to

> > > > > > wear them if one cant afford the gems in purest form.

> > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > >

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February 14, 2006

Dear Friend,

Incase you want to choose(is there any choice?)Ishta devata with moon in

debilitation in kujas sign could naturally be swayambhu(SIVA) or other way

mother nature durga as atamakarak is sun

krishnan

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