Re:Jyotish Gem - P. Kumar[ why i don't like soccer]

February 13, 2006

i hate foot ball as we call it in india 2 teams kicking 1 ball i hate it , i

feel i give them 2 balls for each team are 1 ball for each player and make them

happy and want them to go home and be happy thanks for reading may this help all

of human kind ? raj k.

astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh wrote: Dear members,

A lot of bashing of gemstone prescribing astrologers

is going on. The alternative to gemstones has been given as worship of god and

mantras, by some members.

I do not believe in any god or religion. But, I prescribe gemstones to

those who can afford them. To say that the gems have no effect at all is also a

hardline opposition, which again is not a healthy approach to this subject.

But, it is not a simple matter to prescribe gems after analysing a

horoscope. Only one or two gems, at most, are suitable for any individual.

Sometimes, no gems at all are required and a few simple changes in lifestyle are

enough a solutions.

I have personally observed the effects of gems on myself and others.

They work very well and have excellent results if worn in the right way.

About the chanting of mantras and worships. Belief is a very strong

force. For one who is a believer in God, worship is a potent solution. But,

peforming havans and grand poojas is many a times a pretty worse remedy than

wearing expensive gemstones. Not every astrologer knows the correct methods of

performing yagyas.

Has anyone wondered why the priest-cum-astrologers are emphasising more

on havans and yagyas than gemstones? Here is the actual reason-

Suppose, a client contacts me and I prescribe a Yellow Sapphire for him.

He has no compulsion to buy the sapphire from me. He has a lot of choices like

his family jeweller, his friend who knows some good dealer, a good contact in a

good place, etc. If I emphasise on him buying the gem only from me, he will

suspect my integrity straightaway.

But, for poojas, I can always emphasize that a havan prescribed by me

can be performed correctly only under my guidance. It also gives a religious

aura to the proceedings which is enough to cloud most of the people's

reasonings. Then, even if the cost of the havan is more than any normal

gemstone's price, the client will faithfully pay for it.

The same people who hesitate to wear a gemstone have been found to spend

double the amount on Kaal Sarpa poojas, Mahamrityunjaya yagyas and so on.

When one buys a gem, at least he has something worthy on his finger

which has some value. What about a havan or yagya? Whether it is performed

correctly or not, the individual is left with only the blessings and ashes in

the havan kunda. Only the priest is happy and with a heavy pocket.

The gems need not be very expesive and flawless. Some inclusions, silk,

fibres are permitted. Even though a gem may be expensive, it may not be

astrologically suitable to be worn. On the other hand, a cheap and simple gem

may give excellent results.

A good astrologer earns so well from consultations only that he does not

really need any profit from the gemstone sales. The gemstone business has its

own headaches and no serious astrologer prefers to get embroiled in it. I get

gemstones only for those clients who are not able to get them from anywhere

else, due to their lack of experience or knowledge or contacts. Still, the fear

that my honesty and integrity are at stake, keeps haunting me, even though my

clients have their full faith in me.

Those who lack astrological expertise seek to earn by gemstone sales and

havan-poojas. I had received an email from a person from UK who told me that a

Guruji has recommended Neelam to him and he will charge around 1000 pounds for

it. 700 pounds for the gem and 300 for the purification pooja.

I asked him to buy the gem but to purify it free of cost himself at his

home and told him the method too through e-mail.

I never prescribe any havans or yagyas to anyone. Yes! Colour therapies,

the daan or donations and self-chanting of mantras, can be found in remedies

given by me.

The best remedies are to bring changes in lifestyle and behaviour.

Sadly, everyone wants a quick-fix solution. One does not want to change one's

own behaviour towards others, but expects others to change.

I often get the queries like, "Please prescribe some remedy so that my

health and finances should improve but I am still able to drink and gamble to my

satisfaction, everyday." What can one suggest for such a person?

Regards,

Ashutosh

[The services of this astrologer are free on the astrology group, but

consultations on personal e-mail are chargeable]

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sharad kotak

vedic astrology

Sunday, 12 February, 2006 13:25

Re:Jyotish Gem - P. Kumar

Dear P. Kumar,

I appreciated your efforts to bring the facts to the surface.Sooner or later

, your capabilities will be known to all.

Thanks ,

skotak

P Kumar <pkumar24 wrote:

Dear Swee,

You should agree at one point - one who believes in and recommends a gemstone

must be a good astrologer himself / herself. Now remember your visit to Mumbai

when you stayed at the house of shri J.K.Dasgupta in Vashi, Mumbai. You were

having gemstones for sale with you, almost all of which cost more than Rs.

50,000/-. I (Praveen Kumar then), along with others discussed astrology with you

and had shown you my and my mother's horoscopes. My mother is 100% paralyzed and

suffered in almost all respects. However, you appreciated her horoscope, had

given some favourable comments about her health, even talked about a career for

her, declared her married life very happy etc etc. which all was complete

nonsense. After describing the facts by me, you had justified the same with the

same horoscope. In other readings too, nobody there was impressed with your

astrological competence. Neither you have demonstrated your astrological skills

here on this forum of vedic astrology convincingly. Persons

like you always elude to comment over unknown horoscope.

My question is that when you can't predict efficiently, how can you come to

know what would have been the results without a gemstone and that the particular

stone has benefited the native. If you recommend a stone despite all this, what

people should think about you ? This is for all astrologers (or quacks) who sell

gemstones themselves or get hefty commission from the Jewelers. It is most

unfortunate that people having blind faith in astrology get cheated of their

hard earned money.

Will you stop all this now or will arrange for some messages protecting you by

stating that you are a good astrologer and they had been benefited by you.

Incidentally, I remind the warning of Shri K.N.Rao - " Never get impressed by

the fact that one has authored books on astrology or is the so called (even self

proclaimed) Guru - always ask him first to tell something about you himself /

herself, only then go ahead".

I have written all this to warn innocent people here lest they should get

cheated. One should avoid consulting astrologers who sell gemstone themselves or

insist on purchasing from particular jewellers or offer to do poojas and

remedies for you on exorbitant payments. They can do nothing good to you except

depriving you of your hard earned money.

P.Kumar (Mumbai)

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"Swee Chan" <swee

<vedic astrology>; "SJCA" <>;

Cc: "'Sanjay Rath'" <sanjayrath; "Sarbani"

<sarbani; "'RICHARD SHAW BROWN'" <rsb

Saturday, February 11, 2006 1:01 AM

RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Jyotish Gem Clarity & Naga Mani

> Jaya Jagannatha

>

> Dear Arjun,

> Namaste

>

> I fully agree that those who know nothing about gemstones and their

> intrinsic values should not recommend them. Let's look at it this way, if a

> patient goes to a general practitioner with a heart ailment, what will that

> doctor do? He will do his ethical duty to recommend the patient to a heart

> surgeon. Agree?

>

> We as jyotishas who are intricately linked with gemstones, will not only

> recommend a gemstone, but will take it a step further and search for the

> best gemstone we can as d in the shastras to our clients. We

> consider this our duty to ensure that he/she is given the best. It is also

> based on the person's karma to obtain what is prescribed to them. Some of

> the people who consult me wait for a long time for a fine gemstone while for

> some, we have it immediately under our tuck.

>

> I have seen so much rubbish gemstones worn by people all over. If one cannot

> afford it, maybe next time round (next life) they will. If karma has it that

> we are destined to deal in gemstones, that's the way the cookie crumbles due

> to our punya!!!

>

> For those who keep on accusing us of making money by prescribing gemstones,

> I only have one thing to ask - Do you get paid for your job at the end of

> each month or will you ask your boss to offer you what he thinks you are

> worth at the end of each month? Thank you, I rest my case.

>

> Rahu's gemstone is prescribed in special cases. There are several hints in

> the classics and BPHS and my especial favourite, Jyotisharnava Navanitam

> that helps the jytoisha to ascertain whether he/she should prescribe that

> gemstone. I promise I will detail this in my book.

> Gomeda is not exclusive to Hessonite as made out by ALL translators who are

> not versed in the science of gemstones. Period.

> In Garuda Purana, it is said that it brings wealth to the bearer besides

> helping to correct other health issues.

>

> Those who are sick will certainly benefit from resting under a tree (or

> hugging it). It is also dependant of the type of tree, isn't it? Believe me,

> you wouldn't want to hug an acacia spp!!! If it was 100% beneficial, then no

> one will ever need to build a house nor visit an astrologer or a doctor.

>

> By the way, I am still waiting for your +20 combinations on eye problems as

> your second message as a repeat of the first.

>

> Love,

> Swee

>

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of panditarjun2004

> Friday, February 10, 2006 8:54 PM

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Re: Jyotish Gem Clarity & Naga Mani

>

> dear kumarji

>

> i fully agree with your remarks. my statement on amitabh getting

> benefited by kashmiri neelam is based on the revelations by his

> astrologer and other fellow astrologers in various groups.

>

> i myself do not believe in stones and have not recommended a stone

> to a single person till date. in various threads in other groups i

> lamented that stones were not recommended by any holy scripture and

> the recent newfound support from narada purana also was unheard

> before. also somewhere i read that humans, animals/birds,

> trees/plants and stones attract energies from the planets 100%, 75%,

> 50% and 25% respectively and hence stones which attract only 25%

> energy are not worth their money for their 25% effect.

>

> i still fail to understand how stones are recommended for rank

> malefics rahu and ketu as seen in several messages in this group.

> since these two are painted as beneficial planets by some

> researchers who are vairagya and moksha karakas, may be the stones

> are recommended for gaining vairagya and moksha. only those who

> recommend these stones can answer better.

>

> anyway, i endorse your views on stones but without any criticism on

> the stone believers.

>

> with best wishes

> arjun

>

> vedic astrology, "P Kumar" <pkumar24

> wrote:

> >

> > Do you know the strength of horoscope of Amitabh Bachchan ? If

> stones work that much, why he reached at the verge of bankruptcy at

> some juncture ? Why did he suffer health wise (and remember we don't

> know everything about his bad health) so seriously ?

> >

> > Tell those Gem-stone selling astrologers to give interpretation on

> strangers' horoscopes and see their caliber. Everything else is much

> easier.

> >

> > My take on gemstones is that it should be used more as an

> ornament. Gemstones for functionally benefic planets may be

> preferred. Nothing can radically change your destiny, at least in

> this life. Rather, taking help of mantras and devotion to the God is

> more important. Following a simple life helping the needy ones may

> give you inner peace and spiritual advancement.

> >

> > P.Kumar (Mumbai)

> >

> > -

> > "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004

> > <vedic astrology>

> > Friday, February 10, 2006 12:46 AM

> > [vedic astrology] Re: Jyotish Gem Clarity & Naga Mani

> >

> > > dear friend kumarji

> > >

> > > you are right in saying that selling stones is more a business

> but

> > > for priviliged people like amitabh bachhan who wears genuine

> > > flawless kashmiri blue sapphire, stones work.

> > >

> > > for those who cannot afford gems, color therapy (akin to gem

> > > therapy) is an inexpensive inhouse alternative.

> > >

> > > till date i could not find any vedic scripture recommending

> stones

> > > and have not recommended stones to any one.

> > >

> > > with best wishes

> > > arjun

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "P Kumar" <pkumar24@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Don't run after gems. It is more a business than anything else.

> > > >

> > > > P.Kumar (Mumbai)

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > "harjeet_bakshi" <harjeet_bakshi@>

> > > > <vedic astrology>

> > > > Tuesday, February 07, 2006 2:00 AM

> > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Jyotish Gem Clarity & Naga Mani

> > > >

> > > > > respected sir,

> > > > > earlier you had adviced me for wearing a ruby(being a scorpio

> > > asc),

> > > > > instead of a diamond(which some astrologer told me because of

> > > problems

> > > > > in relationships).

> > > > > about clearity of gems.. like rubies and emerald, it would be

> > > very

> > > > > expensive for unflawed gem as most of them have impurities

> > > included by

> > > > > default which are seen by naked eye itself. so it wont be

> > > advisable to

> > > > > wear them if one cant afford the gems in purest form.

> > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > harjeet

> > > > >

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