Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Dear Sir.I know that remedial measures can be used by everyone.But unfortunately some forms are forbidden by some religons.Example most christian and islamic faiths DO NOT accept the recitation of mantras,puja of the heavens(planets),wearing talismans,tabeej,yantras,etc.Thus I wish to request that you mr tanvir to kindly find remedies that can be used by most NON HINDUS,whose faith(s) do not accept/allow the use of hindu forms of graha shantis.Now fasting is accepted but not for the planets,etc.wearing the gem(if one can afford it) can be done but no mantra can be used thereon,etc.But things like the hanuman chalisa,etc are not allowed/accepted.Therefore my humble request for you kind sir to (re)search for NON HINDU remedies that can be used by all as well but 'tailor made'mostly for NON HINDUS.example for christians psalms,etc(not realy novenas,etc)muslims suras of the holy quran,etc Thus what may be called the/sort of non hindu equivelant to the remedies used in hinduism for shanti/remedial purposes.I hope that you understand what i desire to say via the above posting/message,etc and do accordingly.you can if possible send your reply to my given e-mail address.I am a non catholic(who maybe can use the catholic equal of saints like saint michael for hanuman-some times even saint peter-the blessed mary for the devis,etc)Saint worship is forbidden otherwise.My chart has sagittarius ascendant-via vedic astrology-with mars in the 8th in the 28th degree of geminivia lahiri ayanamsa to 1 degree of cancer via raman's ayanamsa.this is the reason for my sending this message for non hindu remedial measures.I thank you for your help,etc concerning these things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 dear friend suresh in this jyotish remedies group, i have advised several simple, inhouse, inexpensive yet highly efficacious remedies for querents from all religions including jews and christians in USA, muslims from Pakistan and jain and buddhish people across the world. however, we cannot publish them at one place as they are not fixed. please furnish your specific query and i can advise you a remedy that fits into christian belief and practice. i have several century old bibles and holy christian books and have few christian fathers from USA in personal contact receiving free sharing of knowledge on exorcism and other areas. please furnish your query to receive my free assistance either in the group or in private. with best wishes and blessings arjun , "suresh_bocas" <suresh_bocas wrote: > > Dear Sir.I know that remedial measures can be used by everyone.But > unfortunately some forms are forbidden by some religons.Example most > christian and islamic faiths DO NOT accept the recitation of > mantras,puja of the heavens(planets),wearing > talismans,tabeej,yantras,etc.Thus I wish to request that you mr > tanvir to kindly find remedies that can be used by most NON > HINDUS,whose faith(s) do not accept/allow the use of hindu forms of > graha shantis.Now fasting is accepted but not for the > planets,etc.wearing the gem(if one can afford it) can be done but no > mantra can be used thereon,etc.But things like the hanuman > chalisa,etc are not allowed/accepted.Therefore my humble request for > you kind sir to (re)search for NON HINDU remedies that can be used > by all as well but 'tailor made'mostly for NON HINDUS.example for > christians psalms,etc(not realy novenas,etc)muslims suras of the > holy quran,etc Thus what may be called the/sort of non hindu > equivelant to the remedies used in hinduism for shanti/remedial > purposes.I hope that you understand what i desire to say via the > above posting/message,etc and do accordingly.you can if possible > send your reply to my given e-mail address.I am a non catholic(who > maybe can use the catholic equal of saints like saint michael for > hanuman-some times even saint peter-the blessed mary for the > devis,etc)Saint worship is forbidden otherwise.My chart has > sagittarius ascendant-via vedic astrology-with mars in the 8th in > the 28th degree of geminivia lahiri ayanamsa to 1 degree of cancer > via raman's ayanamsa.this is the reason for my sending this message > for non hindu remedial measures.I thank you for your help,etc > concerning these things. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Dear Suresh Ji I am sorry but I should say that there can be no 'Astrological Remedial Measure' from Islamic or Muslim point of view. You are right about the prohibition of reciting mantras for Muslims. In that case, even though some astrologers may suggest some other kinds of remedies for Muslims like charity, wearing stones etc., they do not stand valid (In Islamic way) either. Because even if you do some charity or wear a stone (Which is NOT prohibited in Islam) but your intention or aim does not change ie you do all these to pacify, or appease, or please some planets. In this case it is clear that you believe that planets can change your fate or has some say about it. This very idea is absolutely forbidden in Islam. A real Muslim should believe that Allah is almighty and only he reserves the right to change anyone's fate. This is very clear. This cannot be tricky to avoid un-islamic planetary remedies, but the idea of appeasing planets itself is a prohibited concept. I know I should not be rude to you (And I do not want to be, either) and should not dissapoint you either, but I do not want to convince you with some tricky answers. I used to think this way earlier, but now my realizations are different and I think completely different. If I really suggest you some Islamic sort of remedies (Which are only APPARENTLY Islamic) that would be cheating. That would be hiding the major truth and directing you to some other path for the sake of something that appears to be true but not true really. I cannot do that. If you really realize that astrology works then you should totally take it. You cannot do an Islamic remedy while the intention or aim itself is not Islamic. I have came across some new ideas and realizations in this India trip of mine as I discussed about different religions, God etc. a lot with my friend who is a Hindu Pundit in India. We really need to come out of the barriers of religions if we want to accept the truth. Truth is truth for all and everyone, and not for any particular religion. All the best Tanvir What cannot happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Where relief and solutions are found - suresh_bocas Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:18 PM remedial measures. Dear Sir.I know that remedial measures can be used by everyone.But unfortunately some forms are forbidden by some religons.Example most christian and islamic faiths DO NOT accept the recitation of mantras,puja of the heavens(planets),wearing talismans,tabeej,yantras,etc.Thus I wish to request that you mr tanvir to kindly find remedies that can be used by most NON HINDUS,whose faith(s) do not accept/allow the use of hindu forms of graha shantis.Now fasting is accepted but not for the planets,etc.wearing the gem(if one can afford it) can be done but no mantra can be used thereon,etc.But things like the hanuman chalisa,etc are not allowed/accepted.Therefore my humble request for you kind sir to (re)search for NON HINDU remedies that can be used by all as well but 'tailor made'mostly for NON HINDUS.example for christians psalms,etc(not realy novenas,etc)muslims suras of the holy quran,etc Thus what may be called the/sort of non hindu equivelant to the remedies used in hinduism for shanti/remedial purposes.I hope that you understand what i desire to say via the above posting/message,etc and do accordingly.you can if possible send your reply to my given e-mail address.I am a non catholic(who maybe can use the catholic equal of saints like saint michael for hanuman-some times even saint peter-the blessed mary for the devis,etc)Saint worship is forbidden otherwise.My chart has sagittarius ascendant-via vedic astrology-with mars in the 8th in the 28th degree of geminivia lahiri ayanamsa to 1 degree of cancer via raman's ayanamsa.this is the reason for my sending this message for non hindu remedial measures.I thank you for your help,etc concerning these things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Tanvir, In my framework -- karmic remedies include and actually primarily constitute of: Penance -- which includes fasting Charity and service Islam not only promotes those, but expects a true muslim to observe the two activities! Chanting of sacred names in sanskrit is not the only way to connect to God and islam, to my understanding includes that in its spiritual practice! I hope I hurt no one's feelings but truth as I see it, I must express! Rohiniranjan , "Tanvir" <ultimate wrote: > > Dear Suresh Ji > > I am sorry but I should say that there can be no 'Astrological Remedial Measure' from Islamic or Muslim point of view. You are right about the prohibition of reciting mantras for Muslims. In that case, even though some astrologers may suggest some other kinds of remedies for Muslims like charity, wearing stones etc., they do not stand valid (In Islamic way) either. Because even if you do some charity or wear a stone (Which is NOT prohibited in Islam) but your intention or aim does not change ie you do all these to pacify, or appease, or please some planets. In this case it is clear that you believe that planets can change your fate or has some say about it. This very idea is absolutely forbidden in Islam. A real Muslim should believe that Allah is almighty and only he reserves the right to change anyone's fate. This is very clear. This cannot be tricky to avoid un-islamic planetary remedies, but the idea of appeasing planets itself is a prohibited concept. > > I know I should not be rude to you (And I do not want to be, either) and should not dissapoint you either, but I do not want to convince you with some tricky answers. I used to think this way earlier, but now my realizations are different and I think completely different. If I really suggest you some Islamic sort of remedies (Which are only APPARENTLY Islamic) that would be cheating. That would be hiding the major truth and directing you to some other path for the sake of something that appears to be true but not true really. I cannot do that. > > If you really realize that astrology works then you should totally take it. You cannot do an Islamic remedy while the intention or aim itself is not Islamic. > > I have came across some new ideas and realizations in this India trip of mine as I discussed about different religions, God etc. a lot with my friend who is a Hindu Pundit in India. > > We really need to come out of the barriers of religions if we want to accept the truth. Truth is truth for all and everyone, and not for any particular religion. > > All the best > Tanvir > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies > Where relief and solutions are found > > - > suresh_bocas > > Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:18 PM > remedial measures. > > > Dear Sir.I know that remedial measures can be used by everyone.But > unfortunately some forms are forbidden by some religons.Example most > christian and islamic faiths DO NOT accept the recitation of > mantras,puja of the heavens(planets),wearing > talismans,tabeej,yantras,etc.Thus I wish to request that you mr > tanvir to kindly find remedies that can be used by most NON > HINDUS,whose faith(s) do not accept/allow the use of hindu forms of > graha shantis.Now fasting is accepted but not for the > planets,etc.wearing the gem(if one can afford it) can be done but no > mantra can be used thereon,etc.But things like the hanuman > chalisa,etc are not allowed/accepted.Therefore my humble request for > you kind sir to (re)search for NON HINDU remedies that can be used > by all as well but 'tailor made'mostly for NON HINDUS.example for > christians psalms,etc(not realy novenas,etc)muslims suras of the > holy quran,etc Thus what may be called the/sort of non hindu > equivelant to the remedies used in hinduism for shanti/remedial > purposes.I hope that you understand what i desire to say via the > above posting/message,etc and do accordingly.you can if possible > send your reply to my given e-mail address.I am a non catholic (who > maybe can use the catholic equal of saints like saint michael for > hanuman-some times even saint peter-the blessed mary for the > devis,etc)Saint worship is forbidden otherwise.My chart has > sagittarius ascendant-via vedic astrology-with mars in the 8th in > the 28th degree of geminivia lahiri ayanamsa to 1 degree of cancer > via raman's ayanamsa.this is the reason for my sending this message > for non hindu remedial measures.I thank you for your help,etc > concerning these things. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 , "Tanvir" <ultimate wrote: > > Dear Suresh Ji > > I am sorry but I should say that there can be no 'Astrological Remedial Measure' from Islamic or Muslim point of view. You are right about the prohibition of reciting mantras for Muslims. In that case, even though some astrologers may suggest some other kinds of remedies for Muslims like charity, wearing stones etc., they do not stand valid (In Islamic way) either. Because even if you do some charity or wear a stone (Which is NOT prohibited in Islam) but your intention or aim does not change ie you do all these to pacify, or appease, or please some planets. In this case it is clear that you believe that planets can change your fate or has some say about it. This very idea is absolutely forbidden in Islam. A real Muslim should believe that Allah is almighty and only he reserves the right to change anyone's fate. This is very clear. This cannot be tricky to avoid un-islamic planetary remedies, but the idea of appeasing planets itself is a prohibited concept. > > I know I should not be rude to you (And I do not want to be, either) and should not dissapoint you either, but I do not want to convince you with some tricky answers. I used to think this way earlier, but now my realizations are different and I think completely different. If I really suggest you some Islamic sort of remedies (Which are only APPARENTLY Islamic) that would be cheating. That would be hiding the major truth and directing you to some other path for the sake of something that appears to be true but not true really. I cannot do that. > > If you really realize that astrology works then you should totally take it. You cannot do an Islamic remedy while the intention or aim itself is not Islamic. > > I have came across some new ideas and realizations in this India trip of mine as I discussed about different religions, God etc. a lot with my friend who is a Hindu Pundit in India. > > We really need to come out of the barriers of religions if we want to accept the truth. Truth is truth for all and everyone, and not for any particular religion. > > All the best > Tanvir > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies > Where relief and solutions are found > > - > suresh_bocas > > Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:18 PM > remedial measures. > > > Dear Sir.I know that remedial measures can be used by everyone.But > unfortunately some forms are forbidden by some religons.Example most > christian and islamic faiths DO NOT accept the recitation of > mantras,puja of the heavens(planets),wearing > talismans,tabeej,yantras,etc.Thus I wish to request that you mr > tanvir to kindly find remedies that can be used by most NON > HINDUS,whose faith(s) do not accept/allow the use of hindu forms of > graha shantis.Now fasting is accepted but not for the > planets,etc.wearing the gem(if one can afford it) can be done but no > mantra can be used thereon,etc.But things like the hanuman > chalisa,etc are not allowed/accepted.Therefore my humble request for > you kind sir to (re)search for NON HINDU remedies that can be used > by all as well but 'tailor made'mostly for NON HINDUS.example for > christians psalms,etc(not realy novenas,etc)muslims suras of the > holy quran,etc Thus what may be called the/sort of non hindu > equivelant to the remedies used in hinduism for shanti/remedial > purposes.I hope that you understand what i desire to say via the > above posting/message,etc and do accordingly.you can if possible > send your reply to my given e-mail address.I am a non catholic (who > maybe can use the catholic equal of saints like saint michael for > hanuman-some times even saint peter-the blessed mary for the > devis,etc)Saint worship is forbidden otherwise.My chart has > sagittarius ascendant-via vedic astrology-with mars in the 8th in > the 28th degree of geminivia lahiri ayanamsa to 1 degree of cancer > via raman's ayanamsa.this is the reason for my sending this message > for non hindu remedial measures.I thank you for your help,etc > concerning these things. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 I wrote: Chanting of sacred names in sanskrit is not the only way to connect to God and islam, to my understanding includes that in its spiritual practice! Having been taken to task earlier for being arrogant enough to answer to my own postings -- I shy away from doing this, but this is more important than my ego that others see as being bigger than it is (arudha might have some answers to that puzzle!) One may misunderstand the above poorly constructed sentence in english (Dada, you reading this?) as something else, but I meant that chanting of Sacred Names in the Root language of each religion is a well-known and accepted (within the specific religion) practice. Such rhythmic and repetitive vocal and subvocal activities are known and blessed and encouraged in Jewish, Hindu, Christian, Islamic and other faiths. We humans get embroiled and confrontational about specifics and words and meaning but ignore the intrinsic rhythm, the MUSIC of spheres that lies behind that. ASK YOURSELF -- aren't you drawn to a baby's cooing? Even if it is not yours? IS that baby saying words or just singing a cosmic and inherent tune that flows through ALL of us and touches us deep within. Particularly when we are calm and in a meditative state, a *loving* state of mind? What we are missing these days in our anal drive for specificity and precision is that sense, sensitivity to and appreciation of the inherent flow of Divine Love that flows through each of us and from that arises acceptance -- not only of another being's perfection but also of imperfections. The other *being* can be our spouse, our children, our community, our religious community, our province, our nation -- the only limit is what YOU impose. Please do not attribute that limit to the God and Leader of your choosing, is all I ask! I am sorry, I do not want to make trouble or rouse emotions -- but if I cannot speak freely in my community, where can I? Rohiniranjan , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb wrote: > > Tanvir, > > In my framework -- karmic remedies include and actually primarily > constitute of: > Penance -- which includes fasting > Charity and service > > Islam not only promotes those, but expects a true muslim to observe > the two activities! > > Chanting of sacred names in sanskrit is not the only way to connect > to God and islam, to my understanding includes that in its spiritual > practice! > > I hope I hurt no one's feelings but truth as I see it, I must > express! > > Rohiniranjan > > , "Tanvir" <ultimate@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Suresh Ji > > > > I am sorry but I should say that there can be no 'Astrological > Remedial Measure' from Islamic or Muslim point of view. You are > right about the prohibition of reciting mantras for Muslims. In that > case, even though some astrologers may suggest some other kinds of > remedies for Muslims like charity, wearing stones etc., they do not > stand valid (In Islamic way) either. Because even if you do some > charity or wear a stone (Which is NOT prohibited in Islam) but your > intention or aim does not change ie you do all these to pacify, or > appease, or please some planets. In this case it is clear that you > believe that planets can change your fate or has some say about it. > This very idea is absolutely forbidden in Islam. A real Muslim > should believe that Allah is almighty and only he reserves the right > to change anyone's fate. This is very clear. This cannot be tricky > to avoid un-islamic planetary remedies, but the idea of appeasing > planets itself is a prohibited concept. > > > > I know I should not be rude to you (And I do not want to be, > either) and should not dissapoint you either, but I do not want to > convince you with some tricky answers. I used to think this way > earlier, but now my realizations are different and I think > completely different. If I really suggest you some Islamic sort of > remedies (Which are only APPARENTLY Islamic) that would be cheating. > That would be hiding the major truth and directing you to some other > path for the sake of something that appears to be true but not true > really. I cannot do that. > > > > If you really realize that astrology works then you should totally > take it. You cannot do an Islamic remedy while the intention or aim > itself is not Islamic. > > > > I have came across some new ideas and realizations in this India > trip of mine as I discussed about different religions, God etc. a > lot with my friend who is a Hindu Pundit in India. > > > > We really need to come out of the barriers of religions if we want > to accept the truth. Truth is truth for all and everyone, and not > for any particular religion. > > > > All the best > > Tanvir > > > > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving > remedies > > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > - > > suresh_bocas > > > > Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:18 PM > > remedial measures. > > > > > > Dear Sir.I know that remedial measures can be used by > everyone.But > > unfortunately some forms are forbidden by some religons.Example > most > > christian and islamic faiths DO NOT accept the recitation of > > mantras,puja of the heavens(planets),wearing > > talismans,tabeej,yantras,etc.Thus I wish to request that you mr > > tanvir to kindly find remedies that can be used by most NON > > HINDUS,whose faith(s) do not accept/allow the use of hindu forms > of > > graha shantis.Now fasting is accepted but not for the > > planets,etc.wearing the gem(if one can afford it) can be done > but no > > mantra can be used thereon,etc.But things like the hanuman > > chalisa,etc are not allowed/accepted.Therefore my humble request > for > > you kind sir to (re)search for NON HINDU remedies that can be > used > > by all as well but 'tailor made'mostly for NON HINDUS.example > for > > christians psalms,etc(not realy novenas,etc)muslims suras of the > > holy quran,etc Thus what may be called the/sort of non hindu > > equivelant to the remedies used in hinduism for shanti/remedial > > purposes.I hope that you understand what i desire to say via the > > above posting/message,etc and do accordingly.you can if possible > > send your reply to my given e-mail address.I am a non catholic > (who > > maybe can use the catholic equal of saints like saint michael > for > > hanuman-some times even saint peter-the blessed mary for the > > devis,etc)Saint worship is forbidden otherwise.My chart has > > sagittarius ascendant-via vedic astrology-with mars in the 8th > in > > the 28th degree of geminivia lahiri ayanamsa to 1 degree of > cancer > > via raman's ayanamsa.this is the reason for my sending this > message > > for non hindu remedial measures.I thank you for your help,etc > > concerning these things. > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 dear friend tanvir ji nice to see a post from you after a long time that too on a subject directly linked to the name of (y)our group. in knowledge sharing we express various views and opinions in our never ending learning process. i know arabic and urdu predictive science books (not lagna and rasi based astrology) and stones being recommended by muslim healers since centuries. some of these healers are even today offering their remedial services based on the names and through divine intution right from the holy mosques in several islamic countries. there are many muslim brethern who perfected vedic astrology also and some have even written books on vedic astrology which is praiseworthy. i would not be exaggerating if vedic astrology is learnt more by christians and muslims these days and most detailed books even written by them which indians read and learn. of course the original sanskrit samhitas written by the sages are the source for all. in umpteen cases, the holy koran recommends karma theory and the native getting results of karma akin to our gita. since centuries several muslim mantras (obviously in arabic or urdu language) are recommended for chanting by the natives for relief from thier sufferings. i learnt these from some muslim peers in india and have been recommending them as well to my muslim visitors. also several yantras (emulets) made up of various characters and numerics have been in use since centuries. besides fasting, islam also preaches daan(donation) and these two are also remedial measures. in exorcism cases, holy water (energised with manras) is used in islam, christianity and all religions. in my observation, all religions preach and practice mantras, yantras and tantras and i have evidence of these practices since centuries. yes, the language and ways are different. since the querent in his mail said that he is a christian and wish to know more on remedial measures accoding to christian belief, i think we all spoke enough on islamic remedies instead of christianity. in christianity also they recommended karmic theory in both old and new testaments. St. Joh, St. James, St. Peter, St. Thomas and various other Saints have all preached, karma marga, jnana marga, prema marga and bhakti marga. various symbols and signs used in christian orthodox rituals have deep meanins similar to hindu yantras. i have a special respect for christian karmic philosophy as they have epitomised "seva" as a remedial measure. special psalms and verses from holy books are recommended for daily recital for certain problems. tapas and tapo samadhi have been in practice right from jesus christ himself. with best wishes and regards arjun , "Tanvir" <ultimate wrote: > > Dear Suresh Ji > > I am sorry but I should say that there can be no 'Astrological Remedial Measure' from Islamic or Muslim point of view. You are right about the prohibition of reciting mantras for Muslims. In that case, even though some astrologers may suggest some other kinds of remedies for Muslims like charity, wearing stones etc., they do not stand valid (In Islamic way) either. Because even if you do some charity or wear a stone (Which is NOT prohibited in Islam) but your intention or aim does not change ie you do all these to pacify, or appease, or please some planets. In this case it is clear that you believe that planets can change your fate or has some say about it. This very idea is absolutely forbidden in Islam. A real Muslim should believe that Allah is almighty and only he reserves the right to change anyone's fate. This is very clear. This cannot be tricky to avoid un-islamic planetary remedies, but the idea of appeasing planets itself is a prohibited concept. > > I know I should not be rude to you (And I do not want to be, either) and should not dissapoint you either, but I do not want to convince you with some tricky answers. I used to think this way earlier, but now my realizations are different and I think completely different. If I really suggest you some Islamic sort of remedies (Which are only APPARENTLY Islamic) that would be cheating. That would be hiding the major truth and directing you to some other path for the sake of something that appears to be true but not true really. I cannot do that. > > If you really realize that astrology works then you should totally take it. You cannot do an Islamic remedy while the intention or aim itself is not Islamic. > > I have came across some new ideas and realizations in this India trip of mine as I discussed about different religions, God etc. a lot with my friend who is a Hindu Pundit in India. > > We really need to come out of the barriers of religions if we want to accept the truth. Truth is truth for all and everyone, and not for any particular religion. > > All the best > Tanvir > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies > Where relief and solutions are found > > - > suresh_bocas > > Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:18 PM > remedial measures. > > > Dear Sir.I know that remedial measures can be used by everyone.But > unfortunately some forms are forbidden by some religons.Example most > christian and islamic faiths DO NOT accept the recitation of > mantras,puja of the heavens(planets),wearing > talismans,tabeej,yantras,etc.Thus I wish to request that you mr > tanvir to kindly find remedies that can be used by most NON > HINDUS,whose faith(s) do not accept/allow the use of hindu forms of > graha shantis.Now fasting is accepted but not for the > planets,etc.wearing the gem(if one can afford it) can be done but no > mantra can be used thereon,etc.But things like the hanuman > chalisa,etc are not allowed/accepted.Therefore my humble request for > you kind sir to (re)search for NON HINDU remedies that can be used > by all as well but 'tailor made'mostly for NON HINDUS.example for > christians psalms,etc(not realy novenas,etc)muslims suras of the > holy quran,etc Thus what may be called the/sort of non hindu > equivelant to the remedies used in hinduism for shanti/remedial > purposes.I hope that you understand what i desire to say via the > above posting/message,etc and do accordingly.you can if possible > send your reply to my given e-mail address.I am a non catholic (who > maybe can use the catholic equal of saints like saint michael for > hanuman-some times even saint peter-the blessed mary for the > devis,etc)Saint worship is forbidden otherwise.My chart has > sagittarius ascendant-via vedic astrology-with mars in the 8th in > the 28th degree of geminivia lahiri ayanamsa to 1 degree of cancer > via raman's ayanamsa.this is the reason for my sending this message > for non hindu remedial measures.I thank you for your help,etc > concerning these things. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 respected rohiniji i was not aware that you are writing such a beautiful detailed note and hence sent in my views in a different mail. in cases of caste discrimination i refer adi shankara and chandla lesson and for inter-religious inter-continental love i refer this old verse: aayam nijah paroveti ganana laghu chetasaam; udaara charitanaamtu vaudhaiva kutumbakam. my english is not as good as yours and if my sanskrit translation spells wrongly my apologies in advance. extending the above verse i further say that if a person lacks knowledge then only he/she becomes narrow minded and hence knowledge is the key to either broad mindedness or self realisation. with best wishes and regards arjun , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb wrote: > > I wrote: > Chanting of sacred names in sanskrit is not the only way to connect > to God and islam, to my understanding includes that in its spiritual > practice! > > Having been taken to task earlier for being arrogant enough to > answer to my own postings -- I shy away from doing this, but this is > more important than my ego that others see as being bigger than it > is (arudha might have some answers to that puzzle!) > > One may misunderstand the above poorly constructed sentence in > english (Dada, you reading this?) as something else, but I meant > that chanting of Sacred Names in the Root language of each religion > is a well-known and accepted (within the specific religion) > practice. Such rhythmic and repetitive vocal and subvocal activities > are known and blessed and encouraged in Jewish, Hindu, Christian, > Islamic and other faiths. > > We humans get embroiled and confrontational about specifics and > words and meaning but ignore the intrinsic rhythm, the MUSIC of > spheres that lies behind that. ASK YOURSELF -- aren't you drawn to a > baby's cooing? Even if it is not yours? IS that baby saying words or > just singing a cosmic and inherent tune that flows through ALL of us > and touches us deep within. Particularly when we are calm and in a > meditative state, a *loving* state of mind? > > What we are missing these days in our anal drive for specificity and > precision is that sense, sensitivity to and appreciation of the > inherent flow of Divine Love that flows through each of us and from > that arises acceptance -- not only of another being's perfection but > also of imperfections. The other *being* can be our spouse, our > children, our community, our religious community, our province, our > nation -- the only limit is what YOU impose. Please do not attribute > that limit to the God and Leader of your choosing, is all I ask! > > I am sorry, I do not want to make trouble or rouse emotions -- but > if I cannot speak freely in my community, where can I? > > Rohiniranjan > > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@> > wrote: > > > > Tanvir, > > > > In my framework -- karmic remedies include and actually primarily > > constitute of: > > Penance -- which includes fasting > > Charity and service > > > > Islam not only promotes those, but expects a true muslim to > observe > > the two activities! > > > > Chanting of sacred names in sanskrit is not the only way to > connect > > to God and islam, to my understanding includes that in its > spiritual > > practice! > > > > I hope I hurt no one's feelings but truth as I see it, I must > > express! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , "Tanvir" <ultimate@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Suresh Ji > > > > > > I am sorry but I should say that there can be no 'Astrological > > Remedial Measure' from Islamic or Muslim point of view. You are > > right about the prohibition of reciting mantras for Muslims. In > that > > case, even though some astrologers may suggest some other kinds of > > remedies for Muslims like charity, wearing stones etc., they do > not > > stand valid (In Islamic way) either. Because even if you do some > > charity or wear a stone (Which is NOT prohibited in Islam) but > your > > intention or aim does not change ie you do all these to pacify, or > > appease, or please some planets. In this case it is clear that you > > believe that planets can change your fate or has some say about > it. > > This very idea is absolutely forbidden in Islam. A real Muslim > > should believe that Allah is almighty and only he reserves the > right > > to change anyone's fate. This is very clear. This cannot be tricky > > to avoid un-islamic planetary remedies, but the idea of appeasing > > planets itself is a prohibited concept. > > > > > > I know I should not be rude to you (And I do not want to be, > > either) and should not dissapoint you either, but I do not want to > > convince you with some tricky answers. I used to think this way > > earlier, but now my realizations are different and I think > > completely different. If I really suggest you some Islamic sort of > > remedies (Which are only APPARENTLY Islamic) that would be > cheating. > > That would be hiding the major truth and directing you to some > other > > path for the sake of something that appears to be true but not > true > > really. I cannot do that. > > > > > > If you really realize that astrology works then you should > totally > > take it. You cannot do an Islamic remedy while the intention or > aim > > itself is not Islamic. > > > > > > I have came across some new ideas and realizations in this India > > trip of mine as I discussed about different religions, God etc. a > > lot with my friend who is a Hindu Pundit in India. > > > > > > We really need to come out of the barriers of religions if we > want > > to accept the truth. Truth is truth for all and everyone, and not > > for any particular religion. > > > > > > All the best > > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > > > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving > > remedies > > > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > > > - > > > suresh_bocas > > > > > > Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:18 PM > > > remedial measures. > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir.I know that remedial measures can be used by > > everyone.But > > > unfortunately some forms are forbidden by some > religons.Example > > most > > > christian and islamic faiths DO NOT accept the recitation of > > > mantras,puja of the heavens(planets),wearing > > > talismans,tabeej,yantras,etc.Thus I wish to request that you > mr > > > tanvir to kindly find remedies that can be used by most NON > > > HINDUS,whose faith(s) do not accept/allow the use of hindu > forms > > of > > > graha shantis.Now fasting is accepted but not for the > > > planets,etc.wearing the gem(if one can afford it) can be done > > but no > > > mantra can be used thereon,etc.But things like the hanuman > > > chalisa,etc are not allowed/accepted.Therefore my humble > request > > for > > > you kind sir to (re)search for NON HINDU remedies that can be > > used > > > by all as well but 'tailor made'mostly for NON HINDUS.example > > for > > > christians psalms,etc(not realy novenas,etc)muslims suras of > the > > > holy quran,etc Thus what may be called the/sort of non hindu > > > equivelant to the remedies used in hinduism for > shanti/remedial > > > purposes.I hope that you understand what i desire to say via > the > > > above posting/message,etc and do accordingly.you can if > possible > > > send your reply to my given e-mail address.I am a non catholic > > (who > > > maybe can use the catholic equal of saints like saint michael > > for > > > hanuman-some times even saint peter-the blessed mary for the > > > devis,etc)Saint worship is forbidden otherwise.My chart has > > > sagittarius ascendant-via vedic astrology-with mars in the 8th > > in > > > the 28th degree of geminivia lahiri ayanamsa to 1 degree of > > cancer > > > via raman's ayanamsa.this is the reason for my sending this > > message > > > for non hindu remedial measures.I thank you for your help,etc > > > concerning these things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 sir, You are right again. Receptivity is what counts, because love is pouring in from all sides, it is that we are rigid and closed and refuse to let it in. sometimes the morning prayers from a masjid seem like chanting of the vedas and the bells of the church are so soothing as if doused in cool water from a lotus on a hot day. Love is basically what is preached by all religions and it is beyond religion and religious practices, the ultimate endeavour is to get united with that sublime truth, love whatever you call it. It is also the aspiration of each soul to attain that, which is why it enriches itself with all the possible experiences,through the cycle of birth and rebirth, evolve and progress towards the goal. to quote panditarjunji, though in a different context, our aim is to get out of the sun whatever the means, walk, take a motorised vehicle, etc.all our affiliations are but a way to lead us to the Divine. Regards Nalini , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb wrote: > > I wrote: > Chanting of sacred names in sanskrit is not the only way to connect > to God and islam, to my understanding includes that in its spiritual > practice! > > Having been taken to task earlier for being arrogant enough to > answer to my own postings -- I shy away from doing this, but this is > more important than my ego that others see as being bigger than it > is (arudha might have some answers to that puzzle!) > > One may misunderstand the above poorly constructed sentence in > english (Dada, you reading this?) as something else, but I meant > that chanting of Sacred Names in the Root language of each religion > is a well-known and accepted (within the specific religion) > practice. Such rhythmic and repetitive vocal and subvocal activities > are known and blessed and encouraged in Jewish, Hindu, Christian, > Islamic and other faiths. > > We humans get embroiled and confrontational about specifics and > words and meaning but ignore the intrinsic rhythm, the MUSIC of > spheres that lies behind that. ASK YOURSELF -- aren't you drawn to a > baby's cooing? Even if it is not yours? IS that baby saying words or > just singing a cosmic and inherent tune that flows through ALL of us > and touches us deep within. Particularly when we are calm and in a > meditative state, a *loving* state of mind? > > What we are missing these days in our anal drive for specificity and > precision is that sense, sensitivity to and appreciation of the > inherent flow of Divine Love that flows through each of us and from > that arises acceptance -- not only of another being's perfection but > also of imperfections. The other *being* can be our spouse, our > children, our community, our religious community, our province, our > nation -- the only limit is what YOU impose. Please do not attribute > that limit to the God and Leader of your choosing, is all I ask! > > I am sorry, I do not want to make trouble or rouse emotions -- but > if I cannot speak freely in my community, where can I? > > Rohiniranjan > > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@> > wrote: > > > > Tanvir, > > > > In my framework -- karmic remedies include and actually primarily > > constitute of: > > Penance -- which includes fasting > > Charity and service > > > > Islam not only promotes those, but expects a true muslim to > observe > > the two activities! > > > > Chanting of sacred names in sanskrit is not the only way to > connect > > to God and islam, to my understanding includes that in its > spiritual > > practice! > > > > I hope I hurt no one's feelings but truth as I see it, I must > > express! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , "Tanvir" <ultimate@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Suresh Ji > > > > > > I am sorry but I should say that there can be no 'Astrological > > Remedial Measure' from Islamic or Muslim point of view. You are > > right about the prohibition of reciting mantras for Muslims. In > that > > case, even though some astrologers may suggest some other kinds of > > remedies for Muslims like charity, wearing stones etc., they do > not > > stand valid (In Islamic way) either. Because even if you do some > > charity or wear a stone (Which is NOT prohibited in Islam) but > your > > intention or aim does not change ie you do all these to pacify, or > > appease, or please some planets. In this case it is clear that you > > believe that planets can change your fate or has some say about > it. > > This very idea is absolutely forbidden in Islam. A real Muslim > > should believe that Allah is almighty and only he reserves the > right > > to change anyone's fate. This is very clear. This cannot be tricky > > to avoid un-islamic planetary remedies, but the idea of appeasing > > planets itself is a prohibited concept. > > > > > > I know I should not be rude to you (And I do not want to be, > > either) and should not dissapoint you either, but I do not want to > > convince you with some tricky answers. I used to think this way > > earlier, but now my realizations are different and I think > > completely different. If I really suggest you some Islamic sort of > > remedies (Which are only APPARENTLY Islamic) that would be > cheating. > > That would be hiding the major truth and directing you to some > other > > path for the sake of something that appears to be true but not > true > > really. I cannot do that. > > > > > > If you really realize that astrology works then you should > totally > > take it. You cannot do an Islamic remedy while the intention or > aim > > itself is not Islamic. > > > > > > I have came across some new ideas and realizations in this India > > trip of mine as I discussed about different religions, God etc. a > > lot with my friend who is a Hindu Pundit in India. > > > > > > We really need to come out of the barriers of religions if we > want > > to accept the truth. Truth is truth for all and everyone, and not > > for any particular religion. > > > > > > All the best > > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > > > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving > > remedies > > > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > > > - > > > suresh_bocas > > > > > > Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:18 PM > > > remedial measures. > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir.I know that remedial measures can be used by > > everyone.But > > > unfortunately some forms are forbidden by some > religons.Example > > most > > > christian and islamic faiths DO NOT accept the recitation of > > > mantras,puja of the heavens(planets),wearing > > > talismans,tabeej,yantras,etc.Thus I wish to request that you > mr > > > tanvir to kindly find remedies that can be used by most NON > > > HINDUS,whose faith(s) do not accept/allow the use of hindu > forms > > of > > > graha shantis.Now fasting is accepted but not for the > > > planets,etc.wearing the gem(if one can afford it) can be done > > but no > > > mantra can be used thereon,etc.But things like the hanuman > > > chalisa,etc are not allowed/accepted.Therefore my humble > request > > for > > > you kind sir to (re)search for NON HINDU remedies that can be > > used > > > by all as well but 'tailor made'mostly for NON HINDUS.example > > for > > > christians psalms,etc(not realy novenas,etc)muslims suras of > the > > > holy quran,etc Thus what may be called the/sort of non hindu > > > equivelant to the remedies used in hinduism for > shanti/remedial > > > purposes.I hope that you understand what i desire to say via > the > > > above posting/message,etc and do accordingly.you can if > possible > > > send your reply to my given e-mail address.I am a non catholic > > (who > > > maybe can use the catholic equal of saints like saint michael > > for > > > hanuman-some times even saint peter-the blessed mary for the > > > devis,etc)Saint worship is forbidden otherwise.My chart has > > > sagittarius ascendant-via vedic astrology-with mars in the 8th > > in > > > the 28th degree of geminivia lahiri ayanamsa to 1 degree of > > cancer > > > via raman's ayanamsa.this is the reason for my sending this > > message > > > for non hindu remedial measures.I thank you for your help,etc > > > concerning these things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 dear friend nalini all religions preach only love. in islam you have great emperors like salaudddin who treated (physical disease curing) his invading enemy king richards. christianity is full of compassion and love. hence your finding love in hearing the sounds of all religions is natural. in the bible, new testament, in the book the first epistle general of john, chapter 4, verses 8 and 16 says this. He that loves not, knows not god, for god is love. He that dwells in love, dwells in god and god in him. the meaning is god is not someone whom all shall love nor he is one who loves all. simply love is god and god is love. this is the objective of these groups to give love and compassion to the suffering which is a kind of psychic healing. with best wishes arjun , "auromirra19" <nalini2818 wrote: > > sir, > You are right again. Receptivity is what counts, because love is > pouring in from all sides, it is that we are rigid and closed and > refuse to let it in. sometimes the morning prayers from a masjid > seem like chanting of the vedas and the bells of the church are so > soothing as if doused in cool water from a lotus on a hot day. Love > is basically what is preached by all religions and it is beyond > religion and religious practices, the ultimate endeavour is to get > united with that sublime truth, love whatever you call it. It is > also the aspiration of each soul to attain that, which is why it > enriches itself with all the possible experiences,through the cycle > of birth and rebirth, evolve and progress towards the goal. > to quote panditarjunji, though in a different context, our aim is to > get out of the sun whatever the means, walk, take a motorised > vehicle, etc.all our affiliations are but a way to lead us to the > Divine. > Regards > Nalini > > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@> > wrote: > > > > I wrote: > > Chanting of sacred names in sanskrit is not the only way to connect > > to God and islam, to my understanding includes that in its > spiritual > > practice! > > > > Having been taken to task earlier for being arrogant enough to > > answer to my own postings -- I shy away from doing this, but this > is > > more important than my ego that others see as being bigger than it > > is (arudha might have some answers to that puzzle!) > > > > One may misunderstand the above poorly constructed sentence in > > english (Dada, you reading this?) as something else, but I meant > > that chanting of Sacred Names in the Root language of each > religion > > is a well-known and accepted (within the specific religion) > > practice. Such rhythmic and repetitive vocal and subvocal > activities > > are known and blessed and encouraged in Jewish, Hindu, Christian, > > Islamic and other faiths. > > > > We humans get embroiled and confrontational about specifics and > > words and meaning but ignore the intrinsic rhythm, the MUSIC of > > spheres that lies behind that. ASK YOURSELF -- aren't you drawn to > a > > baby's cooing? Even if it is not yours? IS that baby saying words > or > > just singing a cosmic and inherent tune that flows through ALL of > us > > and touches us deep within. Particularly when we are calm and in a > > meditative state, a *loving* state of mind? > > > > What we are missing these days in our anal drive for specificity > and > > precision is that sense, sensitivity to and appreciation of the > > inherent flow of Divine Love that flows through each of us and > from > > that arises acceptance -- not only of another being's perfection > but > > also of imperfections. The other *being* can be our spouse, our > > children, our community, our religious community, our province, > our > > nation -- the only limit is what YOU impose. Please do not > attribute > > that limit to the God and Leader of your choosing, is all I ask! > > > > I am sorry, I do not want to make trouble or rouse emotions -- but > > if I cannot speak freely in my community, where can I? > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Tanvir, > > > > > > In my framework -- karmic remedies include and actually > primarily > > > constitute of: > > > Penance -- which includes fasting > > > Charity and service > > > > > > Islam not only promotes those, but expects a true muslim to > > observe > > > the two activities! > > > > > > Chanting of sacred names in sanskrit is not the only way to > > connect > > > to God and islam, to my understanding includes that in its > > spiritual > > > practice! > > > > > > I hope I hurt no one's feelings but truth as I see it, I must > > > express! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , "Tanvir" <ultimate@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Suresh Ji > > > > > > > > I am sorry but I should say that there can be no 'Astrological > > > Remedial Measure' from Islamic or Muslim point of view. You are > > > right about the prohibition of reciting mantras for Muslims. In > > that > > > case, even though some astrologers may suggest some other kinds > of > > > remedies for Muslims like charity, wearing stones etc., they do > > not > > > stand valid (In Islamic way) either. Because even if you do some > > > charity or wear a stone (Which is NOT prohibited in Islam) but > > your > > > intention or aim does not change ie you do all these to pacify, > or > > > appease, or please some planets. In this case it is clear that > you > > > believe that planets can change your fate or has some say about > > it. > > > This very idea is absolutely forbidden in Islam. A real Muslim > > > should believe that Allah is almighty and only he reserves the > > right > > > to change anyone's fate. This is very clear. This cannot be > tricky > > > to avoid un-islamic planetary remedies, but the idea of > appeasing > > > planets itself is a prohibited concept. > > > > > > > > I know I should not be rude to you (And I do not want to be, > > > either) and should not dissapoint you either, but I do not want > to > > > convince you with some tricky answers. I used to think this way > > > earlier, but now my realizations are different and I think > > > completely different. If I really suggest you some Islamic sort > of > > > remedies (Which are only APPARENTLY Islamic) that would be > > cheating. > > > That would be hiding the major truth and directing you to some > > other > > > path for the sake of something that appears to be true but not > > true > > > really. I cannot do that. > > > > > > > > If you really realize that astrology works then you should > > totally > > > take it. You cannot do an Islamic remedy while the intention or > > aim > > > itself is not Islamic. > > > > > > > > I have came across some new ideas and realizations in this > India > > > trip of mine as I discussed about different religions, God etc. > a > > > lot with my friend who is a Hindu Pundit in India. > > > > > > > > We really need to come out of the barriers of religions if we > > want > > > to accept the truth. Truth is truth for all and everyone, and > not > > > for any particular religion. > > > > > > > > All the best > > > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > > > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > > > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > > > > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > > > > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving > > > remedies > > > > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > > > > > - > > > > suresh_bocas > > > > > > > > Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:18 PM > > > > remedial measures. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir.I know that remedial measures can be used by > > > everyone.But > > > > unfortunately some forms are forbidden by some > > religons.Example > > > most > > > > christian and islamic faiths DO NOT accept the recitation of > > > > mantras,puja of the heavens(planets),wearing > > > > talismans,tabeej,yantras,etc.Thus I wish to request that you > > mr > > > > tanvir to kindly find remedies that can be used by most NON > > > > HINDUS,whose faith(s) do not accept/allow the use of hindu > > forms > > > of > > > > graha shantis.Now fasting is accepted but not for the > > > > planets,etc.wearing the gem(if one can afford it) can be > done > > > but no > > > > mantra can be used thereon,etc.But things like the hanuman > > > > chalisa,etc are not allowed/accepted.Therefore my humble > > request > > > for > > > > you kind sir to (re)search for NON HINDU remedies that can > be > > > used > > > > by all as well but 'tailor made'mostly for NON > HINDUS.example > > > for > > > > christians psalms,etc(not realy novenas,etc)muslims suras of > > the > > > > holy quran,etc Thus what may be called the/sort of non hindu > > > > equivelant to the remedies used in hinduism for > > shanti/remedial > > > > purposes.I hope that you understand what i desire to say via > > the > > > > above posting/message,etc and do accordingly.you can if > > possible > > > > send your reply to my given e-mail address.I am a non > catholic > > > (who > > > > maybe can use the catholic equal of saints like saint > michael > > > for > > > > hanuman-some times even saint peter-the blessed mary for the > > > > devis,etc)Saint worship is forbidden otherwise.My chart has > > > > sagittarius ascendant-via vedic astrology-with mars in the > 8th > > > in > > > > the 28th degree of geminivia lahiri ayanamsa to 1 degree of > > > cancer > > > > via raman's ayanamsa.this is the reason for my sending this > > > message > > > > for non hindu remedial measures.I thank you for your > help,etc > > > > concerning these things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Dear RR ji, Yes Islam promotes penance, services, fasting etc. But in a COMPLETE DIFFERENT approach to attain a different goal. In astrology what we must do is to consult the chart and suggest remedies. The remedies might be Islamic like fasting. Fasting can be done in Islamic way, like eating nothing from sunrise to sunset. But where everything fails, is the very basic concept, the root, the fundamental issue. Even though the fasting is observed in an Islamic way, the aim is to propotiate some planets in order to lessen grief and problems. This very idea that a planet, or anything/anyone except ALLAH can change or control the fate or destiny of a man is strictly prohibited in Islam. To believe that anyone or anything can cause your fate-change is strictly prohibited and worshipping/appeasing anyone except ALLAH is the highest sin in Islam (more sinful than killing people!) that ALLAH is unready to forgive at any cost. These are called SHIRK and KUFR and the highest sin as per Islam. Any Muslim with very basic knowledge will know this. The very idea of fortune-telling or predicting in any way is forbidden and it is mentioned that his Islamic worships of 40 days will be all in vein if he goes to a fortuneteller and believes what the fortuneteller says. The very first step in Islam starts with a declaration that I declare there is no worshipable in this creation except Allah. One who worships anyone than Allah in any way can no longer be a Muslim anymore. There can be no argument or no convincing statement saying the good deeds are all same (In this case) because as the aim becomes different (to believe planets cause fate and to appease them) it becomes completely different and he becomes a non-Muslim right away. I am not exaggerating the slighest, but this is simply and exactly this. Quran even suggests not to treat non-Muslims in the same way a Muslim should treat another Muslim. But that is a different topic. I am born in a Muslim family but I have no intention to glorify Islam for nothing if it does not deserve to be glorified ABOUT A SPECIFIC IDEA. What I want to recognize is the truth and truth only. Many Muslims (Or most Muslims) treat non-Muslims in the same way they treat a Muslim. This is GOOD and NICE. But this is their personal behaviour only. They did not get it from Islam. Truly, we learn morals and good behaviour mostly from our society, parents, and our VIVEK itself, and not from religions. Even Hindu religion has customs like Shati Dah, and if we question ourselves, our mind does not support it. Even today we see in astrology that many love cannot turn into a marriage only because the castes do not match. Well, I respect a tradition, but personally I am against of this. Any nice Hindu parents will not deny a marriage for intercaste problem, I think. There should be no hiding of the facts. I am NOT talking ill of Islam. This is THE WAY IT IS. Any Muslim will know it, even though they may not follow. But then it is not practicing Islam. It is their modified personal behaviour. Even if a person wears a stone, for beauty - it is fine. But then, whenever his intention is to appease or strengthen a planet, it becomes KUFR, the 'highest sin' !! Even puja, worshipping statues, yajna etc etc are often called evil deeds / deeds of evil or devil / SATAN in Islam. Non-Muslims are called 'confused' and 'Follower of wrong path' etc. This is the truth. The very truth. The problem is that, when such things in Quran ARE POINTED OUT to Muslims, THEY ARE EMBARRASSED. Because no ones VIVEK support these. But then, there is no reason to think that all Muslims are bad. Basically Muslims all over the world (except Saudi) do not really follow Islam strictly. Because as I said, we follow our vivek and common sense. But you go to Saudi, they will definitely treat you in complete different way for you are a non-muslim. Anyway. When a Muslim comes to me and wants to know Islamic remedies, he should be given the true answer. Even though I do not support complete Islamic life like this, but then that guy might be interested in a literal Islamic life, and if I hide this big truth and say other things like penance is in all religion, that will be lying and MISGUIDING him just by telling him some tricky stuff. I cannot be that dishonest. What an astrologer with ethics should do is to tell him franky that you are a Muslim so your religion does not support this for this and this causes, so do you understand what you are doing. And if after knowing it you want to do charity, services or mantras, then you are welcome and as an open minded, unbiased person I will surely guide you. (That is it.) But an astrologer should not convince him by giving him an impression that there is a room in Islam for Islamic remedies. Because there is not. And so, the astrologer is really lying. He is hiding the truth. And later if the person knows this (from other Muslims) and comes back to the astrologer, what will he be answering? It is always best to let people know the risk, just like before an operation the doctors take your declaration and signature about the risks. Regards Tanvir What cannot happen, can never happen. 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Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Dear Sri Arjun Ji I hope you will understand my point - if you read it a bit carefully. Many Muslims practiced astrology throughout the history. Described in my site, the muslim scientist who first came out with algebra and trigonometry himself studied it translating Siddhant of Mahaveer. Even Moghul King Humayun studied it. There can be uncountable examples and I have nothing to disagree. Same time we must also understand that a Muslim doing something cannot endorse it for others nor it can be an Islamic idea. That is his personal choice only. Me being born in Muslim family and chanting mantras does not mean Muslims can do it. By definition, and by practical approach, I become a strict non-Muslim when I believe that anyone except Allah can change my fate or I try to please that existance in any medium. This is the strict truth. You can find out by talking to any Muslim or reading Islamic scriptures like Quran, Haadith etc. Quran suggests karma theory but it suggests (In a big contrary) only one birth and then going to either hell or heaven by only one life's karma. One soul takes birth only once in that concept. And in no case Quran, or any Islamic scripture suggests worshipping anyone than Allah. It is the biggest possible sin of a person. Even puja, statue worshipping, yajnas are classified as acts of Evil or evil-worshipping. It is believed that evils lead such ceremonies. All non-Muslims are 'confuseds' and 'Wrong path followers' as well. This is the simple truth. Now being unbaised and open minded I do not believe in these, otherwise I would not be here, I would not be visiting India only to visit temples. But that cannot be endorsed as Islamic activity. But what if a Muslim comes to me and wants to know about Islamic remedies? Should I hide these facts and tell him the other truths that come later? No. I must first warn him and alert him and only if after knowing these well he wants to proceed, then I should help him. Otherwise, he may NOT be interested in worshipping/pleasing a planet (being a pure Muslim) but indeed he is doing that as per my advice, WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT HE IS DOING. That will be a cheating from my part. SO first let a Muslim be sure what he is doing, only after that I can assist. I am above the biases and blind -ideas, but others may like to stick to it. If a Muslim wants to remain within this culture, I should not be diverting him without letting him understand. That is dishonesty. This is only what I meant to say. I also would like to request you what I have written to RR ji. Thanks, Tanvir What cannot happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Where relief and solutions are found - panditarjun2004 Saturday, February 11, 2006 9:53 AM Re: remedial measures. dear friend tanvir ji nice to see a post from you after a long time that too on a subject directly linked to the name of (y)our group. in knowledge sharing we express various views and opinions in our never ending learning process. i know arabic and urdu predictive science books (not lagna and rasi based astrology) and stones being recommended by muslim healers since centuries. some of these healers are even today offering their remedial services based on the names and through divine intution right from the holy mosques in several islamic countries. there are many muslim brethern who perfected vedic astrology also and some have even written books on vedic astrology which is praiseworthy. i would not be exaggerating if vedic astrology is learnt more by christians and muslims these days and most detailed books even written by them which indians read and learn. of course the original sanskrit samhitas written by the sages are the source for all. in umpteen cases, the holy koran recommends karma theory and the native getting results of karma akin to our gita. since centuries several muslim mantras (obviously in arabic or urdu language) are recommended for chanting by the natives for relief from thier sufferings. i learnt these from some muslim peers in india and have been recommending them as well to my muslim visitors. also several yantras (emulets) made up of various characters and numerics have been in use since centuries. besides fasting, islam also preaches daan(donation) and these two are also remedial measures. in exorcism cases, holy water (energised with manras) is used in islam, christianity and all religions. in my observation, all religions preach and practice mantras, yantras and tantras and i have evidence of these practices since centuries. yes, the language and ways are different. since the querent in his mail said that he is a christian and wish to know more on remedial measures accoding to christian belief, i think we all spoke enough on islamic remedies instead of christianity. in christianity also they recommended karmic theory in both old and new testaments. St. Joh, St. James, St. Peter, St. Thomas and various other Saints have all preached, karma marga, jnana marga, prema marga and bhakti marga. various symbols and signs used in christian orthodox rituals have deep meanins similar to hindu yantras. i have a special respect for christian karmic philosophy as they have epitomised "seva" as a remedial measure. special psalms and verses from holy books are recommended for daily recital for certain problems. tapas and tapo samadhi have been in practice right from jesus christ himself. with best wishes and regards arjun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Dear Sri Arjun Ji In the mentioned verse of yours, does the mentioning of narrow minded and lacking in knowledge have the relation to any of our posting / thoughts / beliefs? Please clarify. Regards Tanvir What cannot happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Where relief and solutions are found - panditarjun2004 Saturday, February 11, 2006 10:04 AM Re: remedial measures. respected rohiniji i was not aware that you are writing such a beautiful detailed note and hence sent in my views in a different mail. in cases of caste discrimination i refer adi shankara and chandla lesson and for inter-religious inter-continental love i refer this old verse: aayam nijah paroveti ganana laghu chetasaam; udaara charitanaamtu vaudhaiva kutumbakam. my english is not as good as yours and if my sanskrit translation spells wrongly my apologies in advance. extending the above verse i further say that if a person lacks knowledge then only he/she becomes narrow minded and hence knowledge is the key to either broad mindedness or self realisation. with best wishes and regards arjun , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb wrote: > > I wrote: > Chanting of sacred names in sanskrit is not the only way to connect > to God and islam, to my understanding includes that in its spiritual > practice! > > Having been taken to task earlier for being arrogant enough to > answer to my own postings -- I shy away from doing this, but this is > more important than my ego that others see as being bigger than it > is (arudha might have some answers to that puzzle!) > > One may misunderstand the above poorly constructed sentence in > english (Dada, you reading this?) as something else, but I meant > that chanting of Sacred Names in the Root language of each religion > is a well-known and accepted (within the specific religion) > practice. Such rhythmic and repetitive vocal and subvocal activities > are known and blessed and encouraged in Jewish, Hindu, Christian, > Islamic and other faiths. > > We humans get embroiled and confrontational about specifics and > words and meaning but ignore the intrinsic rhythm, the MUSIC of > spheres that lies behind that. ASK YOURSELF -- aren't you drawn to a > baby's cooing? Even if it is not yours? IS that baby saying words or > just singing a cosmic and inherent tune that flows through ALL of us > and touches us deep within. Particularly when we are calm and in a > meditative state, a *loving* state of mind? > > What we are missing these days in our anal drive for specificity and > precision is that sense, sensitivity to and appreciation of the > inherent flow of Divine Love that flows through each of us and from > that arises acceptance -- not only of another being's perfection but > also of imperfections. The other *being* can be our spouse, our > children, our community, our religious community, our province, our > nation -- the only limit is what YOU impose. Please do not attribute > that limit to the God and Leader of your choosing, is all I ask! > > I am sorry, I do not want to make trouble or rouse emotions -- but > if I cannot speak freely in my community, where can I? > > Rohiniranjan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Dear Nalini Ji I request you to understand the discussion topic in question and post thereafter. People who know love is above all are unbiased and nice. But Islam does not approve pleasing any one in any way to change the fate. If a Muslim client knows this and ignores this (For being open minded etc.) then I can help him. But I cannot suggest Islamic remedies to him because there is none. I cannot take the responsibility by hiding it, where I clearly know that it is completely un-Islamic. Regards Tanvir What cannot happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Where relief and solutions are found - auromirra19 Saturday, February 11, 2006 10:29 AM Re: remedial measures. sir, You are right again. Receptivity is what counts, because love is pouring in from all sides, it is that we are rigid and closed and refuse to let it in. sometimes the morning prayers from a masjid seem like chanting of the vedas and the bells of the church are so soothing as if doused in cool water from a lotus on a hot day. Love is basically what is preached by all religions and it is beyond religion and religious practices, the ultimate endeavour is to get united with that sublime truth, love whatever you call it. It is also the aspiration of each soul to attain that, which is why it enriches itself with all the possible experiences,through the cycle of birth and rebirth, evolve and progress towards the goal. to quote panditarjunji, though in a different context, our aim is to get out of the sun whatever the means, walk, take a motorised vehicle, etc.all our affiliations are but a way to lead us to the Divine. Regards Nalini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 I understand that better now. Thanks for the elaboration. RR , "Tanvir" <ultimate wrote: > > Dear RR ji, > > Yes Islam promotes penance, services, fasting etc. But in a COMPLETE DIFFERENT approach to attain a different goal. > > In astrology what we must do is to consult the chart and suggest remedies. The remedies might be Islamic like fasting. Fasting can be done in Islamic way, like eating nothing from sunrise to sunset. But where everything fails, is the very basic concept, the root, the fundamental issue. Even though the fasting is observed in an Islamic way, the aim is to propotiate some planets in order to lessen grief and problems. This very idea that a planet, or anything/anyone except ALLAH can change or control the fate or destiny of a man is strictly prohibited in Islam. To believe that anyone or anything can cause your fate-change is strictly prohibited and worshipping/appeasing anyone except ALLAH is the highest sin in Islam (more sinful than killing people!) that ALLAH is unready to forgive at any cost. These are called SHIRK and KUFR and the highest sin as per Islam. > > Any Muslim with very basic knowledge will know this. > > The very idea of fortune-telling or predicting in any way is forbidden and it is mentioned that his Islamic worships of 40 days will be all in vein if he goes to a fortuneteller and believes what the fortuneteller says. > > The very first step in Islam starts with a declaration that I declare there is no worshipable in this creation except Allah. One who worships anyone than Allah in any way can no longer be a Muslim anymore. > > There can be no argument or no convincing statement saying the good deeds are all same (In this case) because as the aim becomes different (to believe planets cause fate and to appease them) it becomes completely different and he becomes a non-Muslim right away. > > I am not exaggerating the slighest, but this is simply and exactly this. > > Quran even suggests not to treat non-Muslims in the same way a Muslim should treat another Muslim. But that is a different topic. > > I am born in a Muslim family but I have no intention to glorify Islam for nothing if it does not deserve to be glorified ABOUT A SPECIFIC IDEA. What I want to recognize is the truth and truth only. > > Many Muslims (Or most Muslims) treat non-Muslims in the same way they treat a Muslim. This is GOOD and NICE. But this is their personal behaviour only. They did not get it from Islam. Truly, we learn morals and good behaviour mostly from our society, parents, and our VIVEK itself, and not from religions. Even Hindu religion has customs like Shati Dah, and if we question ourselves, our mind does not support it. Even today we see in astrology that many love cannot turn into a marriage only because the castes do not match. Well, I respect a tradition, but personally I am against of this. Any nice Hindu parents will not deny a marriage for intercaste problem, I think. > > There should be no hiding of the facts. I am NOT talking ill of Islam. This is THE WAY IT IS. Any Muslim will know it, even though they may not follow. But then it is not practicing Islam. It is their modified personal behaviour. Even if a person wears a stone, for beauty - it is fine. But then, whenever his intention is to appease or strengthen a planet, it becomes KUFR, the 'highest sin' !! > > Even puja, worshipping statues, yajna etc etc are often called evil deeds / deeds of evil or devil / SATAN in Islam. Non-Muslims are called 'confused' and 'Follower of wrong path' etc. This is the truth. The very truth. > > The problem is that, when such things in Quran ARE POINTED OUT to Muslims, THEY ARE EMBARRASSED. Because no ones VIVEK support these. But then, there is no reason to think that all Muslims are bad. Basically Muslims all over the world (except Saudi) do not really follow Islam strictly. Because as I said, we follow our vivek and common sense. But you go to Saudi, they will definitely treat you in complete different way for you are a non-muslim. > > Anyway. > > When a Muslim comes to me and wants to know Islamic remedies, he should be given the true answer. Even though I do not support complete Islamic life like this, but then that guy might be interested in a literal Islamic life, and if I hide this big truth and say other things like penance is in all religion, that will be lying and MISGUIDING him just by telling him some tricky stuff. I cannot be that dishonest. What an astrologer with ethics should do is to tell him franky that you are a Muslim so your religion does not support this for this and this causes, so do you understand what you are doing. And if after knowing it you want to do charity, services or mantras, then you are welcome and as an open minded, unbiased person I will surely guide you. (That is it.) But an astrologer should not convince him by giving him an impression that there is a room in Islam for Islamic remedies. Because there is not. And so, the astrologer is really lying. He is hiding the truth. And later if the person knows this (from other Muslims) and comes back to the astrologer, what will he be answering? It is always best to let people know the risk, just like before an operation the doctors take your declaration and signature about the risks. > > Regards > Tanvir > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 Dear Tanvir ji, I fully agree with you, I have not meant that what you had suggested was not agreeable. I only emphasised love being basic tenets of all religions.and for being free or open minded and receptive.It had nothing to do with Islam Christianity or hinduism. Like you said,when seeking remedies by itself is being against a religion's diktat, probably the persons in question have already transcended that barrier,albeit unknowingly due to their distress, anxiety whatever. Any way, cautioning them is absolutely right and no one can fault it. Regards Nalini , "Tanvir" <ultimate wrote: > > Dear Nalini Ji > > I request you to understand the discussion topic in question and post thereafter. > > People who know love is above all are unbiased and nice. But Islam does not approve pleasing any one in any way to change the fate. If a Muslim client knows this and ignores this (For being open minded etc.) then I can help him. But I cannot suggest Islamic remedies to him because there is none. I cannot take the responsibility by hiding it, where I clearly know that it is completely un-Islamic. > > Regards > Tanvir > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > > - > auromirra19 > > Saturday, February 11, 2006 10:29 AM > Re: remedial measures. > > > sir, > You are right again. Receptivity is what counts, because love is > pouring in from all sides, it is that we are rigid and closed and > refuse to let it in. sometimes the morning prayers from a masjid > seem like chanting of the vedas and the bells of the church are so > soothing as if doused in cool water from a lotus on a hot day. Love > is basically what is preached by all religions and it is beyond > religion and religious practices, the ultimate endeavour is to get > united with that sublime truth, love whatever you call it. It is > also the aspiration of each soul to attain that, which is why it > enriches itself with all the possible experiences,through the cycle > of birth and rebirth, evolve and progress towards the goal. > to quote panditarjunji, though in a different context, our aim is to > get out of the sun whatever the means, walk, take a motorised > vehicle, etc.all our affiliations are but a way to lead us to the > Divine. > Regards > Nalini > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 Dear Tanvir ji, I fully agree with you, I have not meant that what you had suggested was not agreeable. I only emphasised love being basic tenets of all religions.and for being free or open minded and receptive.It had nothing to do with Islam Christianity or hinduism. Like you said,when seeking remedies by itself is being against a religion's diktat, probably the persons in question have already transcended that barrier,albeit unknowingly due to their distress, anxiety whatever. Any way, cautioning them is absolutely right and no one can fault it. Regards Nalini , "Tanvir" <ultimate wrote: > > Dear Nalini Ji > > I request you to understand the discussion topic in question and post thereafter. > > People who know love is above all are unbiased and nice. But Islam does not approve pleasing any one in any way to change the fate. If a Muslim client knows this and ignores this (For being open minded etc.) then I can help him. But I cannot suggest Islamic remedies to him because there is none. I cannot take the responsibility by hiding it, where I clearly know that it is completely un-Islamic. > > Regards > Tanvir > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > > - > auromirra19 > > Saturday, February 11, 2006 10:29 AM > Re: remedial measures. > > > sir, > You are right again. Receptivity is what counts, because love is > pouring in from all sides, it is that we are rigid and closed and > refuse to let it in. sometimes the morning prayers from a masjid > seem like chanting of the vedas and the bells of the church are so > soothing as if doused in cool water from a lotus on a hot day. Love > is basically what is preached by all religions and it is beyond > religion and religious practices, the ultimate endeavour is to get > united with that sublime truth, love whatever you call it. It is > also the aspiration of each soul to attain that, which is why it > enriches itself with all the possible experiences,through the cycle > of birth and rebirth, evolve and progress towards the goal. > to quote panditarjunji, though in a different context, our aim is to > get out of the sun whatever the means, walk, take a motorised > vehicle, etc.all our affiliations are but a way to lead us to the > Divine. > Regards > Nalini > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 dear tanvir ji yes i was giving this verse to sister nalini. since i knew her problems last year, all these mails in her context were with a single objective of giving some healing touch, give some positive motivational words and realistic approach in remedies. neither your's nor other member's postings, thoughts or beliefs have relation with this. with best wishes and regards arjun , "Tanvir" <ultimate wrote: > > Dear Sri Arjun Ji > > In the mentioned verse of yours, does the mentioning of narrow minded and lacking in knowledge have the relation to any of our posting / thoughts / beliefs? Please clarify. > > Regards > Tanvir > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies > Where relief and solutions are found > > - > panditarjun2004 > > Saturday, February 11, 2006 10:04 AM > Re: remedial measures. > > > respected rohiniji > > i was not aware that you are writing such a beautiful detailed note > and hence sent in my views in a different mail. > > in cases of caste discrimination i refer adi shankara and chandla > lesson and for inter-religious inter-continental love i refer this > old verse: > > aayam nijah paroveti ganana laghu chetasaam; udaara charitanaamtu > vaudhaiva kutumbakam. > > my english is not as good as yours and if my sanskrit translation > spells wrongly my apologies in advance. > > extending the above verse i further say that if a person lacks > knowledge then only he/she becomes narrow minded and hence knowledge > is the key to either broad mindedness or self realisation. > > with best wishes and regards > arjun > > > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@> > wrote: > > > > I wrote: > > Chanting of sacred names in sanskrit is not the only way to connect > > to God and islam, to my understanding includes that in its > spiritual > > practice! > > > > Having been taken to task earlier for being arrogant enough to > > answer to my own postings -- I shy away from doing this, but this > is > > more important than my ego that others see as being bigger than it > > is (arudha might have some answers to that puzzle!) > > > > One may misunderstand the above poorly constructed sentence in > > english (Dada, you reading this?) as something else, but I meant > > that chanting of Sacred Names in the Root language of each > religion > > is a well-known and accepted (within the specific religion) > > practice. Such rhythmic and repetitive vocal and subvocal > activities > > are known and blessed and encouraged in Jewish, Hindu, Christian, > > Islamic and other faiths. > > > > We humans get embroiled and confrontational about specifics and > > words and meaning but ignore the intrinsic rhythm, the MUSIC of > > spheres that lies behind that. ASK YOURSELF -- aren't you drawn to > a > > baby's cooing? Even if it is not yours? IS that baby saying words > or > > just singing a cosmic and inherent tune that flows through ALL of > us > > and touches us deep within. Particularly when we are calm and in a > > meditative state, a *loving* state of mind? > > > > What we are missing these days in our anal drive for specificity > and > > precision is that sense, sensitivity to and appreciation of the > > inherent flow of Divine Love that flows through each of us and > from > > that arises acceptance -- not only of another being's perfection > but > > also of imperfections. The other *being* can be our spouse, our > > children, our community, our religious community, our province, > our > > nation -- the only limit is what YOU impose. Please do not > attribute > > that limit to the God and Leader of your choosing, is all I ask! > > > > I am sorry, I do not want to make trouble or rouse emotions -- but > > if I cannot speak freely in my community, where can I? > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 dear tanvir ji all my views on islamic remedies are based on my true experiences with few muslim peers who sit inside a dargah or masjid and give urdu mantras and also urdu yantras to the suffering freely. of course these islamic remedies are not based on astrology and planets. but they have remedies for all problems. these peers are the most learnt of islamic laws and did enough research on islamic philosophy and are a respected lot all over the world and are also invited by the isalmic countries with shariat law. i have no right or knowledge even to speak on behalf of them for they have great divine powers and shall not discuss on them again out of my great respect for them. this is mentioned only to furnish the source of my observation. i appreciate your broadmindedness and logical thinking but your oft repeated sentence of "islam does not permit" makes me feel apologetic of expressing my views in the previous mails. if i hurt your feelings i tender my apologies and desist from further participation in this thread. in old testament of the bible some rules for christians were written which are primitive and are not endorsed even by the vatican and none of the christians follow them. similar are some rules for a hindu wife as per puranas and smritis which are petrifying and none of the hindus follow them. with best wishes and regards arjun , "Tanvir" <ultimate wrote: > > Dear Sri Arjun Ji > > I hope you will understand my point - if you read it a bit carefully. > > Many Muslims practiced astrology throughout the history. Described in my site, the muslim scientist who first came out with algebra and trigonometry himself studied it translating Siddhant of Mahaveer. Even Moghul King Humayun studied it. There can be uncountable examples and I have nothing to disagree. > > Same time we must also understand that a Muslim doing something cannot endorse it for others nor it can be an Islamic idea. That is his personal choice only. Me being born in Muslim family and chanting mantras does not mean Muslims can do it. By definition, and by practical approach, I become a strict non-Muslim when I believe that anyone except Allah can change my fate or I try to please that existance in any medium. > > This is the strict truth. You can find out by talking to any Muslim or reading Islamic scriptures like Quran, Haadith etc. > > Quran suggests karma theory but it suggests (In a big contrary) only one birth and then going to either hell or heaven by only one life's karma. One soul takes birth only once in that concept. And in no case Quran, or any Islamic scripture suggests worshipping anyone than Allah. It is the biggest possible sin of a person. Even puja, statue worshipping, yajnas are classified as acts of Evil or evil- worshipping. It is believed that evils lead such ceremonies. All non- Muslims are 'confuseds' and 'Wrong path followers' as well. > > This is the simple truth. > > Now being unbaised and open minded I do not believe in these, otherwise I would not be here, I would not be visiting India only to visit temples. But that cannot be endorsed as Islamic activity. > > But what if a Muslim comes to me and wants to know about Islamic remedies? Should I hide these facts and tell him the other truths that come later? No. I must first warn him and alert him and only if after knowing these well he wants to proceed, then I should help him. Otherwise, he may NOT be interested in worshipping/pleasing a planet (being a pure Muslim) but indeed he is doing that as per my advice, WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT HE IS DOING. That will be a cheating from my part. > > SO first let a Muslim be sure what he is doing, only after that I can assist. I am above the biases and blind -ideas, but others may like to stick to it. If a Muslim wants to remain within this culture, I should not be diverting him without letting him understand. That is dishonesty. > > This is only what I meant to say. > > I also would like to request you what I have written to RR ji. > > Thanks, > Tanvir > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > > - > panditarjun2004 > > Saturday, February 11, 2006 9:53 AM > Re: remedial measures. > > > dear friend tanvir ji > > nice to see a post from you after a long time that too on a subject > directly linked to the name of (y)our group. > > in knowledge sharing we express various views and opinions in our > never ending learning process. > > i know arabic and urdu predictive science books (not lagna and rasi > based astrology) and stones being recommended by muslim healers > since centuries. some of these healers are even today offering > their remedial services based on the names and through divine > intution right from the holy mosques in several islamic countries. > there are many muslim brethern who perfected vedic astrology also > and some have even written books on vedic astrology which is > praiseworthy. i would not be exaggerating if vedic astrology is > learnt more by christians and muslims these days and most detailed > books even written by them which indians read and learn. of course > the original sanskrit samhitas written by the sages are the source > for all. > > in umpteen cases, the holy koran recommends karma theory and the > native getting results of karma akin to our gita. > > since centuries several muslim mantras (obviously in arabic or urdu > language) are recommended for chanting by the natives for relief > from thier sufferings. i learnt these from some muslim peers in > india and have been recommending them as well to my muslim > visitors. also several yantras (emulets) made up of various > characters and numerics have been in use since centuries. besides > fasting, islam also preaches daan(donation) and these two are also > remedial measures. in exorcism cases, holy water (energised with > manras) is used in islam, christianity and all religions. > > in my observation, all religions preach and practice mantras, > yantras and tantras and i have evidence of these practices since > centuries. yes, the language and ways are different. > > since the querent in his mail said that he is a christian and wish > to know more on remedial measures accoding to christian belief, i > think we all spoke enough on islamic remedies instead of > christianity. > > in christianity also they recommended karmic theory in both old and > new testaments. St. Joh, St. James, St. Peter, St. Thomas and > various other Saints have all preached, karma marga, jnana marga, > prema marga and bhakti marga. various symbols and signs used in > christian orthodox rituals have deep meanins similar to hindu > yantras. i have a special respect for christian karmic philosophy > as they have epitomised "seva" as a remedial measure. special > psalms and verses from holy books are recommended for daily recital > for certain problems. tapas and tapo samadhi have been in practice > right from jesus christ himself. > > with best wishes and regards > arjun > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 Dear Sir, The best well known(all over the world) recent example is that of Shirdi SaiBaba who used to uttering continously verses from Quran along with other scriptures.A disciple of SaiBaba,Swami Sharanand, who left his mortal remains in the last decade or so was a living testimony for many of our generation.Also one can observe the close timing of revelations by SriAdiSankara (The oneness of God_adwaithaa) and prophet Mohammed preaching only one God and It's Allah who is the all compassionate.Both these philosophies have close resemblance.Even if you observe certain practices like inorder to overcome the bodily desires one of the means is to lessen the beautifying of the mortal body-The hindus(may be some) do it by tonsuring head(hair is one of the ardent beautifiers for body) and the Islam preaches full of hair(with uncut beard) and head covered.Whatever may be the means the objective is same......and many more. wishing all for a collective will panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear tanvir ji all my views on islamic remedies are based on my true experiences with few muslim peers who sit inside a dargah or masjid and give urdu mantras and also urdu yantras to the suffering freely. of course these islamic remedies are not based on astrology and planets. but they have remedies for all problems. these peers are the most learnt of islamic laws and did enough research on islamic philosophy and are a respected lot all over the world and are also invited by the isalmic countries with shariat law. i have no right or knowledge even to speak on behalf of them for they have great divine powers and shall not discuss on them again out of my great respect for them. this is mentioned only to furnish the source of my observation. i appreciate your broadmindedness and logical thinking but your oft repeated sentence of "islam does not permit" makes me feel apologetic of expressing my views in the previous mails. if i hurt your feelings i tender my apologies and desist from further participation in this thread. in old testament of the bible some rules for christians were written which are primitive and are not endorsed even by the vatican and none of the christians follow them. similar are some rules for a hindu wife as per puranas and smritis which are petrifying and none of the hindus follow them. with best wishes and regards arjun , "Tanvir" <ultimate wrote: > > Dear Sri Arjun Ji > > I hope you will understand my point - if you read it a bit carefully. > > Many Muslims practiced astrology throughout the history. Described in my site, the muslim scientist who first came out with algebra and trigonometry himself studied it translating Siddhant of Mahaveer. Even Moghul King Humayun studied it. There can be uncountable examples and I have nothing to disagree. > > Same time we must also understand that a Muslim doing something cannot endorse it for others nor it can be an Islamic idea. That is his personal choice only. Me being born in Muslim family and chanting mantras does not mean Muslims can do it. By definition, and by practical approach, I become a strict non-Muslim when I believe that anyone except Allah can change my fate or I try to please that existance in any medium. > > This is the strict truth. You can find out by talking to any Muslim or reading Islamic scriptures like Quran, Haadith etc. > > Quran suggests karma theory but it suggests (In a big contrary) only one birth and then going to either hell or heaven by only one life's karma. One soul takes birth only once in that concept. And in no case Quran, or any Islamic scripture suggests worshipping anyone than Allah. It is the biggest possible sin of a person. Even puja, statue worshipping, yajnas are classified as acts of Evil or evil- worshipping. It is believed that evils lead such ceremonies. All non- Muslims are 'confuseds' and 'Wrong path followers' as well. > > This is the simple truth. > > Now being unbaised and open minded I do not believe in these, otherwise I would not be here, I would not be visiting India only to visit temples. But that cannot be endorsed as Islamic activity. > > But what if a Muslim comes to me and wants to know about Islamic remedies? Should I hide these facts and tell him the other truths that come later? No. I must first warn him and alert him and only if after knowing these well he wants to proceed, then I should help him. Otherwise, he may NOT be interested in worshipping/pleasing a planet (being a pure Muslim) but indeed he is doing that as per my advice, WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT HE IS DOING. That will be a cheating from my part. > > SO first let a Muslim be sure what he is doing, only after that I can assist. I am above the biases and blind -ideas, but others may like to stick to it. If a Muslim wants to remain within this culture, I should not be diverting him without letting him understand. That is dishonesty. > > This is only what I meant to say. > > I also would like to request you what I have written to RR ji. > > Thanks, > Tanvir > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > > - > panditarjun2004 > > Saturday, February 11, 2006 9:53 AM > Re: remedial measures. > > > dear friend tanvir ji > > nice to see a post from you after a long time that too on a subject > directly linked to the name of (y)our group. > > in knowledge sharing we express various views and opinions in our > never ending learning process. > > i know arabic and urdu predictive science books (not lagna and rasi > based astrology) and stones being recommended by muslim healers > since centuries. some of these healers are even today offering > their remedial services based on the names and through divine > intution right from the holy mosques in several islamic countries. > there are many muslim brethern who perfected vedic astrology also > and some have even written books on vedic astrology which is > praiseworthy. i would not be exaggerating if vedic astrology is > learnt more by christians and muslims these days and most detailed > books even written by them which indians read and learn. of course > the original sanskrit samhitas written by the sages are the source > for all. > > in umpteen cases, the holy koran recommends karma theory and the > native getting results of karma akin to our gita. > > since centuries several muslim mantras (obviously in arabic or urdu > language) are recommended for chanting by the natives for relief > from thier sufferings. i learnt these from some muslim peers in > india and have been recommending them as well to my muslim > visitors. also several yantras (emulets) made up of various > characters and numerics have been in use since centuries. besides > fasting, islam also preaches daan(donation) and these two are also > remedial measures. in exorcism cases, holy water (energised with > manras) is used in islam, christianity and all religions. > > in my observation, all religions preach and practice mantras, > yantras and tantras and i have evidence of these practices since > centuries. yes, the language and ways are different. > > since the querent in his mail said that he is a christian and wish > to know more on remedial measures accoding to christian belief, i > think we all spoke enough on islamic remedies instead of > christianity. > > in christianity also they recommended karmic theory in both old and > new testaments. St. Joh, St. James, St. Peter, St. Thomas and > various other Saints have all preached, karma marga, jnana marga, > prema marga and bhakti marga. various symbols and signs used in > christian orthodox rituals have deep meanins similar to hindu > yantras. i have a special respect for christian karmic philosophy > as they have epitomised "seva" as a remedial measure. special > psalms and verses from holy books are recommended for daily recital > for certain problems. tapas and tapo samadhi have been in practice > right from jesus christ himself. > > with best wishes and regards > arjun > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology Visit your group "" on the web. Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Dear Sir, If we do not hight light and give religious thought it is absolutely true"Non-Muslims are called 'confused' and 'Follower of wrong path' etc. "worshipping/appeasing anyone except ALLAH is the highest sin"is it not other saints belonging to defferent faiths too have conveyed this. it is only some fad(latent) in our minds exist that we can overcome bad situation instead of opting to bow down to the fate and experience. Perhaps human approach(intelligence) is always for disorder krishnan rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote: I understand that better now. Thanks for the elaboration. RR , "Tanvir" <ultimate wrote: > > Dear RR ji, > > Yes Islam promotes penance, services, fasting etc. But in a COMPLETE DIFFERENT approach to attain a different goal. > > In astrology what we must do is to consult the chart and suggest remedies. The remedies might be Islamic like fasting. Fasting can be done in Islamic way, like eating nothing from sunrise to sunset. But where everything fails, is the very basic concept, the root, the fundamental issue. Even though the fasting is observed in an Islamic way, the aim is to propotiate some planets in order to lessen grief and problems. This very idea that a planet, or anything/anyone except ALLAH can change or control the fate or destiny of a man is strictly prohibited in Islam. To believe that anyone or anything can cause your fate-change is strictly prohibited and worshipping/appeasing anyone except ALLAH is the highest sin in Islam (more sinful than killing people!) that ALLAH is unready to forgive at any cost. These are called SHIRK and KUFR and the highest sin as per Islam. > > Any Muslim with very basic knowledge will know this. > > The very idea of fortune-telling or predicting in any way is forbidden and it is mentioned that his Islamic worships of 40 days will be all in vein if he goes to a fortuneteller and believes what the fortuneteller says. > > The very first step in Islam starts with a declaration that I declare there is no worshipable in this creation except Allah. One who worships anyone than Allah in any way can no longer be a Muslim anymore. > > There can be no argument or no convincing statement saying the good deeds are all same (In this case) because as the aim becomes different (to believe planets cause fate and to appease them) it becomes completely different and he becomes a non-Muslim right away. > > I am not exaggerating the slighest, but this is simply and exactly this. > > Quran even suggests not to treat non-Muslims in the same way a Muslim should treat another Muslim. But that is a different topic. > > I am born in a Muslim family but I have no intention to glorify Islam for nothing if it does not deserve to be glorified ABOUT A SPECIFIC IDEA. What I want to recognize is the truth and truth only. > > Many Muslims (Or most Muslims) treat non-Muslims in the same way they treat a Muslim. This is GOOD and NICE. But this is their personal behaviour only. They did not get it from Islam. Truly, we learn morals and good behaviour mostly from our society, parents, and our VIVEK itself, and not from religions. Even Hindu religion has customs like Shati Dah, and if we question ourselves, our mind does not support it. Even today we see in astrology that many love cannot turn into a marriage only because the castes do not match. Well, I respect a tradition, but personally I am against of this. Any nice Hindu parents will not deny a marriage for intercaste problem, I think. > > There should be no hiding of the facts. I am NOT talking ill of Islam. This is THE WAY IT IS. Any Muslim will know it, even though they may not follow. But then it is not practicing Islam. It is their modified personal behaviour. Even if a person wears a stone, for beauty - it is fine. But then, whenever his intention is to appease or strengthen a planet, it becomes KUFR, the 'highest sin' !! > > Even puja, worshipping statues, yajna etc etc are often called evil deeds / deeds of evil or devil / SATAN in Islam. Non-Muslims are called 'confused' and 'Follower of wrong path' etc. This is the truth. The very truth. > > The problem is that, when such things in Quran ARE POINTED OUT to Muslims, THEY ARE EMBARRASSED. Because no ones VIVEK support these. But then, there is no reason to think that all Muslims are bad. Basically Muslims all over the world (except Saudi) do not really follow Islam strictly. Because as I said, we follow our vivek and common sense. But you go to Saudi, they will definitely treat you in complete different way for you are a non-muslim. > > Anyway. > > When a Muslim comes to me and wants to know Islamic remedies, he should be given the true answer. Even though I do not support complete Islamic life like this, but then that guy might be interested in a literal Islamic life, and if I hide this big truth and say other things like penance is in all religion, that will be lying and MISGUIDING him just by telling him some tricky stuff. I cannot be that dishonest. What an astrologer with ethics should do is to tell him franky that you are a Muslim so your religion does not support this for this and this causes, so do you understand what you are doing. And if after knowing it you want to do charity, services or mantras, then you are welcome and as an open minded, unbiased person I will surely guide you. (That is it.) But an astrologer should not convince him by giving him an impression that there is a room in Islam for Islamic remedies. Because there is not. And so, the astrologer is really lying. He is hiding the truth. And later if the person knows this (from other Muslims) and comes back to the astrologer, what will he be answering? It is always best to let people know the risk, just like before an operation the doctors take your declaration and signature about the risks. > > Regards > Tanvir > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology Visit your group "" on the web. Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 Dear Arjun Ji Of course you have not hurt my feelings so please do not apologize, there is really no need. You have not done anything for apologizing. I was only worried if I fail to convey what I really wanted to mean. I know, discussing about religious topic might be a bit risky because people are sensitive about such things. Any misunderstanding can be very problematic. Just to conclude, the Islamic remedies you mentioned use ayats (lines) from Quran and Arabic numbers to make yantras, amulets / tabeez etc. But they do not use planetary or astrological concept. But as the original poster (Suresh Ji I think) wanted to know about "Graha Shantis" my answer was different to clarify it. The Islamic remedies come from traditions and not purely Islamic teachings. I mean, while they use the Islamic materials like Quran's verses, there is no teaching in Quran / Hadith / any other Islamic scriptures how to make these remedies like amulets and things. (While In Vedic scriptures ways to remedies, mantras and reading charts are clearly mentioned.) I am glad that you and Rohini Ji has understood my point. With best wishes, Tanvir What cannot happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Where relief and solutions are found - panditarjun2004 Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:52 PM Re: remedial measures. dear tanvir ji all my views on islamic remedies are based on my true experiences with few muslim peers who sit inside a dargah or masjid and give urdu mantras and also urdu yantras to the suffering freely. of course these islamic remedies are not based on astrology and planets. but they have remedies for all problems. these peers are the most learnt of islamic laws and did enough research on islamic philosophy and are a respected lot all over the world and are also invited by the isalmic countries with shariat law. i have no right or knowledge even to speak on behalf of them for they have great divine powers and shall not discuss on them again out of my great respect for them. this is mentioned only to furnish the source of my observation. i appreciate your broadmindedness and logical thinking but your oft repeated sentence of "islam does not permit" makes me feel apologetic of expressing my views in the previous mails. if i hurt your feelings i tender my apologies and desist from further participation in this thread. in old testament of the bible some rules for christians were written which are primitive and are not endorsed even by the vatican and none of the christians follow them. similar are some rules for a hindu wife as per puranas and smritis which are petrifying and none of the hindus follow them. with best wishes and regards arjun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 Tanvir, I personally got a bit caught up in connecting activity/process/method with intention a bit loosely. Thanks for bringing that to my awareness through your beautiful and as always clear post. Indeed, 'intention' is what gives the life-force to the activity and makes it come alive in the human experience. The wearing of the same gemstone can itself mean such different things. A ruby wedding ring means and perhaps brings a very different 'energy' to the groom and the same heirloom when worn by the original owner's grand daughter for 'remedial' purposes for occupation or health-related reasons after due "processing" of the gemstone would have very different outcomes! Just because it originally signified marriage, love and relationship for the grandfather does not guarantee that the granddaughter regardless of why she wore the ruby will end up with a spouse! Thanks RR , "Tanvir" <ultimate wrote: > > Dear Arjun Ji > > Of course you have not hurt my feelings so please do not apologize, there is really no need. You have not done anything for apologizing. > > I was only worried if I fail to convey what I really wanted to mean. I know, discussing about religious topic might be a bit risky because people are sensitive about such things. Any misunderstanding can be very problematic. > > Just to conclude, the Islamic remedies you mentioned use ayats (lines) from Quran and Arabic numbers to make yantras, amulets / tabeez etc. But they do not use planetary or astrological concept. But as the original poster (Suresh Ji I think) wanted to know about "Graha Shantis" my answer was different to clarify it. The Islamic remedies come from traditions and not purely Islamic teachings. I mean, while they use the Islamic materials like Quran's verses, there is no teaching in Quran / Hadith / any other Islamic scriptures how to make these remedies like amulets and things. (While In Vedic scriptures ways to remedies, mantras and reading charts are clearly mentioned.) > > I am glad that you and Rohini Ji has understood my point. > > With best wishes, > Tanvir > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies > Where relief and solutions are found > > - > panditarjun2004 > > Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:52 PM > Re: remedial measures. > > > dear tanvir ji > > all my views on islamic remedies are based on my true experiences > with few muslim peers who sit inside a dargah or masjid and give > urdu mantras and also urdu yantras to the suffering freely. of > course these islamic remedies are not based on astrology and > planets. but they have remedies for all problems. these peers are > the most learnt of islamic laws and did enough research on islamic > philosophy and are a respected lot all over the world and are also > invited by the isalmic countries with shariat law. i have no right > or knowledge even to speak on behalf of them for they have great > divine powers and shall not discuss on them again out of my great > respect for them. this is mentioned only to furnish the source of > my observation. > > i appreciate your broadmindedness and logical thinking but your oft > repeated sentence of "islam does not permit" makes me feel > apologetic of expressing my views in the previous mails. if i hurt > your feelings i tender my apologies and desist from further > participation in this thread. > > in old testament of the bible some rules for christians were written > which are primitive and are not endorsed even by the vatican and > none of the christians follow them. similar are some rules for a > hindu wife as per puranas and smritis which are petrifying and none > of the hindus follow them. > > with best wishes and regards > arjun > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 , "Tanvir" <ultimate wrote: >respected friends and tanvir shab, i agree thta one must not touch religion in such group as it can create problem but i will agree arjun guru upto such extend that if some one getting beneifting from some thing and it is not unislamic way thanks regards rizwan khan > Dear Arjun Ji > > Of course you have not hurt my feelings so please do not apologize, there is really no need. You have not done anything for apologizing. > > I was only worried if I fail to convey what I really wanted to mean. I know, discussing about religious topic might be a bit risky because people are sensitive about such things. Any misunderstanding can be very problematic. > > Just to conclude, the Islamic remedies you mentioned use ayats (lines) from Quran and Arabic numbers to make yantras, amulets / tabeez etc. But they do not use planetary or astrological concept. But as the original poster (Suresh Ji I think) wanted to know about "Graha Shantis" my answer was different to clarify it. The Islamic remedies come from traditions and not purely Islamic teachings. I mean, while they use the Islamic materials like Quran's verses, there is no teaching in Quran / Hadith / any other Islamic scriptures how to make these remedies like amulets and things. (While In Vedic scriptures ways to remedies, mantras and reading charts are clearly mentioned.) > > I am glad that you and Rohini Ji has understood my point. > > With best wishes, > Tanvir > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies > Where relief and solutions are found > > - > panditarjun2004 > > Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:52 PM > Re: remedial measures. > > > dear tanvir ji > > all my views on islamic remedies are based on my true experiences > with few muslim peers who sit inside a dargah or masjid and give > urdu mantras and also urdu yantras to the suffering freely. of > course these islamic remedies are not based on astrology and > planets. but they have remedies for all problems. these peers are > the most learnt of islamic laws and did enough research on islamic > philosophy and are a respected lot all over the world and are also > invited by the isalmic countries with shariat law. i have no right > or knowledge even to speak on behalf of them for they have great > divine powers and shall not discuss on them again out of my great > respect for them. this is mentioned only to furnish the source of > my observation. > > i appreciate your broadmindedness and logical thinking but your oft > repeated sentence of "islam does not permit" makes me feel > apologetic of expressing my views in the previous mails. if i hurt > your feelings i tender my apologies and desist from further > participation in this thread. > > in old testament of the bible some rules for christians were written > which are primitive and are not endorsed even by the vatican and > none of the christians follow them. similar are some rules for a > hindu wife as per puranas and smritis which are petrifying and none > of the hindus follow them. > > with best wishes and regards > arjun > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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