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Dear Nalini,

 

What a scary experience that must have been!

 

I am glad that you were protected. Many are not that lucky.

 

, "auromirra19"

<nalini2818 wrote:

>

> Sir, I remember a line which I used to put up on the message board

> at my bank branch, "You are in the danger of getting runover even

if

> you are on the right track and dont move", This has always made me

> constantly reinvent myself, ( thoough I have grumbled and

> complained).I would also like to share with you a true life

> threatning situation. It was miracle I was not run over literally

> leave alone left rear-ended. At an intersection, I got down from

my

> car to walk to my work and in the hurry my pallu got into the

door.

> My driver and my husband took off. I was dragged a considerable

> distance in the road, my bag, my mobile and me thrown in

different

> directions.It was literally then that everything had stopped in

> time. It was bang in front of a busstop, and a very busy road at

> 9.30 in the morning, infact it was the main signal at Marina Beach

> at Chennai. The policeman saw it a started a hue and cry and

> signalled to my car and in the meanwhile there was a single auto

on

> the road, and a lady was in it she got down helped me get up,( my

> saree got torn and that was how i became free).My car came back

and

> I got into it went to a doctor. Nothing happened to me. not even a

> scratch. AS i was going back I noticed the crammed traffic. I have

> always wondered how it could be so, other days I had to get down

and

> hurry up as there was always a bus to rear-end me.

> It was truly revealing, in fact that was the beginning of the four

> years of suffering I mentioned in my earlier post.I was afflicted

> with a mysterious disease not diagnosed and lot followed through

and

> it has now left me with two lungs severely damaged, feet and arms

> swollen, acutely diabetic,with hypothyroidism, on high potency

> steroids, financially unsettled, no career and in an alien land.

> But I am learning to cope and reinvent myself and have not given

up.

> It is interactions with learned gurus like yourself, pandit Arjun

> garu, krishnan garu which gives me the much needed thrust to take

> off.

>

> Regards

> Nalini

>

> -- In , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@>

> wrote:

> >

> > If you failed to fill up, the chances of your being in a headon

> > collision are very little (unless you are driving in the wrong

> lane)

> > however you do risk being rear-ended! And in that situation it

is

> > generally the fault of the driver in the rear vehicle, hence no

> > karma for you (insurance premium rising or police fining you) --

> as

> > long as you do not suffer a whiplash or other back injury ;-)

> >

> > , "auromirra19"

> > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Poojya Rohiniji,

> > >

> > > Absolutely Fantastic!! I am spell bound.As usual I have in my

> long

> > > winding way done it, yes it is true, How can Divine grace be a

> > step,

> > > it is a life line. Truly amazing, but then I have always been

a

> > > lousy driver, no wonder met with somany accidents and

frequently

> > > must have forgotten to fill up, and in a hurry got into the

top

> > gear

> > > before going through the gamut. Thanks a lot, that is what I

am

> > > doing now , unlearnt what I have and started learning afresh

and

> > it

> > > is so revealing. I have now started learning literally, HUman

> > > Resources Management at 46 years, and also at life's school

> which

> > is

> > > teaching me lessons in humility, tolerance patience and what

> not.

> > > God there is so much to learn, and I wish to cram as much as

> > > possible within this lifetime. As Mother rightly said, the day

> you

> > > feel you have done enough and learnt enough, that is the day

you

> > > start growing old. Now I realise, why I have never been able

to

> be

> > > satisfied/happy with what I had materially, in my career and

> > always

> > > hankered after that elusive something.I always wondered when I

> > heard

> > > happy laughter ring out how could people be so happy? What I

am

> > > after is something which is substantial in not being so and

all

> I

> > > have gone through is but a way of reaching it.As usual you

> > have,sir,

> > > in your inimitable analytical, with deep insight, succinctly

> > > conevyed the meaning.

> > > Regards

> > > nalini

> > >

> > >

> > > , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nalini ji,

> > > >

> > > > Open gate,

> > > > sit down

> > > > turn ignition

> > > > look around

> > > > press clutch pedal

> > > > put car in first gear

> > > > drive

> > > >

> > > > Those are steps

> > > >

> > > > Divine Will/Grace is the petrol/gasoline. It cannot be a step

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Rohini

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "auromirra19"

> > > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > POojya RRji, Krishnanji and Rishiji,

> > > > > Please permit me to add something. All the five steps take

a

> > lot

> > > > of

> > > > > conviction and self will to execute, but would they be of

> any

> > > > avail

> > > > > if there is no sixth step, Divine Will/Grace?

> > > > > I have always prided myself of always defining my goals

(one

> at

> > > > atime)

> > > > > and go about them with utmost sincerity and enthusiasm,

and

> > have

> > > > > managed to get only some of them achieved.Some did not

even

> > > merit

> > > > a

> > > > > headstart? When the input was equal the end result varied

so

> > > > > drastically.Can we conclude that ultimately it is the

> Almighty

> > > > that

> > > > > decides the result, or is it that even the Grace is tardy

in

> > > > arrving

> > > > > when u run one of your dashas? As it was true in my case

> when

> > > all

> > > > > through the four years of acute suffering no tangible help

> was

> > > > > forthcoming. there is only now a glimmer of light that too

> at

> > > the

> > > > > far end.How can we explain this? Predestined karma is what

> > makes

> > > > and

> > > > > breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts? please

> > enlighten

> > > > me.

> > > > > Thanks and regards

> > > > > Nalini

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , rishi shukla

> > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RRji,

> > > > > > And factually relating, astrology is directly related

> > > > > > to human behavior and its quirks.

> > > > > > I concur fully with what you have said, but

> > > > > > allow me to grumble...

> > > > > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > > 'here'

> > > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > > step four!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Step five: Do it"

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If one was able to do all of it, then one would not

> > > > > > seek or need divination of any form.

> > > > > > Then,its but human nature that one seeks short cuts.

> > > > > > Ordinary mortals, afterall. Even knowledge that

> > > > > > confirms that there are minimal chances of a sudden

> > > > > > surge of awareness does not bely hope.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rishi

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > > It is since long to see you make a right note.I

> > > > > > > only make addition as Astrology is an understandable

> > > > > > > communication(not a gesture!)

> > > > > > > True it's Value and the additions that the subject

> > > > > > > makes to humanity makes it devine too.So your steps:

> > > > > > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > > > 'here'

> > > > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > > > step four!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Step five: Do it"

> > > > > > > All can be implemented only with faith and belief

> > > > > > > and ofcourse certainly sincerity of purpose.

> > > > > > > I do not really mind to exploit Psychocology to

> > > > > > > convince and amke the subject understandable to one

> > > > > > > and all to solve life imposed riddles.Be it sanskara

> > > > > > > or be it eat to live.

> > > > > > > Let's hope millions(both haves and have nots) do

> > > > > > > look at the vastness world only to explore in his

> > > > > > > own way and comprehend to make living a positive

> > > > > > > approach

> > > > > > > otherwise Iam afraid:"it is not a mistake that

> > > > > > > step three comes before step four!"we will not be

> > > > > > > there as here is too complicated to define

> > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > > > > The more I see, my two cents for what they are

> > > > > > > worth, effective

> > > > > > > astrology boils down to communication. Both the

> > > > > > > astrologer and the

> > > > > > > nativity must make an effort to communicate and to

> > > > > > > be good at it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This cannot be done in a one shot, manner that most

> > > > > > > of us web-

> > > > > > > dwellers have gotten used to.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hence the dissatisfaction, the frustrations and

> > > > > > > fights that prevail.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It has an eerie resemblance to

> > > > > > > psychoanalysis/psychotherapy.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Interestingly, at least in the western scene of

> > > > > > > things, a lot of

> > > > > > > psychologists (amateur and otherwise) got attracted

> > > > > > > to astrology and

> > > > > > > actually made a lot of progress for themselves and

> > > > > > > for their craft.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The "tell me now, without mincing words and move on"

> > > > > > > mentality that

> > > > > > > we see from time to time, is more suited to

> > > > > > > situations where

> > > > > > > information and knowledge received more *directly*

> > > > > > > than astrology

> > > > > > > was ever intended to deliver is perhpas sought -- in

> > > > > > > the wrong forum

> > > > > > > perhaps!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Like much of worldly reality, unless I am sadly

> > > > > > > mistaken as some may

> > > > > > > believe or insist <!>, astrology is not about

> > > > > > > magical revelations

> > > > > > > and deliverances that happen overnight, remedially

> > > > > > > speaking or

> > > > > > > astrologically for that matter.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > All of us are looking for that magical panacea that

> > > > > > > would transform

> > > > > > > our current state of misery into beautitude, bliss

> > > > > > > and instant self-

> > > > > > > realization! Just look at the size of world's

> > > > > > > population and count

> > > > > > > the really self-realized ones over the centuries

> > > > > > > that most of us

> > > > > > > feel were truly REALIZED. Do the math!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Does that mean that there is no hope for the rest of

> > > > > > > us billions and

> > > > > > > billions?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Step one: Define hope

> > > > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > > > 'here'

> > > > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > > > step four!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Step five: Do it!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Peace and Love!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> > > > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

not it was not.

Tongue in cheek is -)

friendly/brotherly teasing/jest though with genuine admiration is :-P

 

The real thanks must go to the person who stated that the forum

lacks expertise -- not me!

 

 

, "auromirra19"

<nalini2818 wrote:

>

> -Your are too sir!!!

>

> Panditji was as usual his best but now I wonder after ur response

> was that a tad tongue in cheek?

> Hope not. Sir i would be failing if I dont thank the person

> responsible for this repartee ( as Suggested by u),

> So thank you Sir.

>

> Regards

>

> Nalini

>

>

>

> -- In , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@>

> wrote:

> >

> > You Sir are on a roll :-)

> >

> > , "panditarjun2004"

> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear friend nalini

> > >

> > > in gita lord krishna says that holy scriptures are meaningless

> for

> > a

> > > realised person. similarly malefics or cruel planets are

> > > meaningless for a realised person. remedies are required only

> for

> > > unrealised persons.

> > >

> > > with best wishes

> > > arjun

> > >

> > >

> > > , "auromirra19"

> > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > -Krishnan ji,

> > > > As you rightly pointed out the human being is enmeshed in

the

> > > quest

> > > > for dharma ardha kama mokhsa( not necessarily in that

> order).It

> > is

> > > > for him to come out of the mire. In my humble view( I donot

> > > profess

> > > > to have any knowledge of it)astrology explains what was in

> store

> > > for

> > > > for us, again,predetermined and according to our past

karmas,

> > and

> > > as

> > > > Arjun ji so beautifully conveyed, it is human will but is

> > it "free

> > > > will" that seeks help. and I feel itis the bhagya of the

> native

> > if

> > > > he/she receives the much sought after help in time. Now that

> > > bhagya,

> > > > is that also the purva punya? If not what is it?Though we

are

> > all

> > > > supposedly free to seek help and solace it is only that we

get

> > it

> > > > only when it is to arrive and not before? As Arjunji, has

> > > perfectly

> > > > described, standing in the scorching sun instead of seeking

> the

> > > > shelter of a tree through any means of conveyance, but when

> does

> > > > that happen the frame of time he has to suffer. I am

extremely

> > > sorry

> > > > if I cut a personal angle, but I have been in that state,

> > crippled

> > > > and in the scorching sun, no shade and no help in sight, I

> > could

> > > > not run,it was long before Mother came to me and soothed me,

> > that

> > > to

> > > > in the form of Guruji, who suggested me to turn to Her and

Her

> > > > alone, recite the Durga sapthasati. Now that period of time

I

> > was

> > > in

> > > > the scorching sun was four years and how I suffered, but I

am

> > not

> > > > sorry as it has made me a better person.. That I was alive

is

> > only

> > > > the faith in Her that she will never forsake me. Astrology,

> > within

> > > > the four years or rather end of four years( I developed a

deep

> > > > interest in it)made me realise what I was meant to be. I was

> mad

> > > and

> > > > words cant describe the degree of madness, after my career.

I

> > had

> > > to

> > > > forsake it. I relocated to a foreign land, I gave up all my

> > clothes

> > > (

> > > > one materialistic streak in me was my passion for clothes)

and

> > > > retained only a minimum for use. I gave away almost all my

> > > material

> > > > posessions.I came here to find myself and start my life

again

> > from

> > > a

> > > > scratch, no servants no help. I realised that this was meant

> to

> > > > point out to me that whatever I had forsaken was of no real

> > > value.

> > > > I now fully understand the so called malefics have infact

been

> > > > teaching me a karmic lesson in renuciation and evolution and

I

> > > have

> > > > been complaining. It was then I decided to turn inward and

> that

> > > was

> > > > when I received help.But within the fabric of life and

family

> > > > renunciation in total is the end of it. So the Ardha , kama

> > still

> > > > continue to hold fort. But the basic signature of my chart

has

> > > > taught me not overtly focus on the mundane, duty with

purpose

> > and

> > > > detachment. It has not been very difficult for me as I have

> > always

> > > > found looking at myself from outside of any relationship, as

a

> > > wife,

> > > > mother, daughter, sibling.

> > > > Pardon me for any thing which may have hurt anyone in the

> > esteemed

> > > > list which was not intended.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Nalini

> > > >

> > > > -- In , vattem krishnan

> > > > <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear nalini ji,

> > > > > Very genuinely you have conveyed your views and this

will

> > > > certainly be mind boggling:

> > > > > Predestined karma is what makes and

> > > > > breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts?

> > > > > On one hand it is the factor of" time".On the other hand

our

> > > > feeble mind that wants many things.How do we really

interlink

> > and

> > > > how do we convert wishes into fulfilment and how the time

> > > > cooperates.other way as i have to put it how well we

> comprehend

> > > HERE

> > > > to think of THERE.it is certainly battle of nerves.

> > > > > For me the essence of ASTROLOGY is:how do we bring in

> > balance

> > > > between:

> > > > > DHARMA,ARDHA.KAMA &MOKSHA

> > > > > when we can really maintain an equation there is nothing

> > like

> > > > predetined till we find meaning for MOKSHA.Astrology truely

> > > > envisages that we get the results for what we Do.

> > > > > If do is DHARMA and then GET is ARDHA.Then the question

is

> > > what

> > > > is KAMA.For a moment if we imply wish/desire as for KAMA is

it

> > > > bad.The answer is certainly NO.But if we spiral into all

> wishes

> > > and

> > > > desires,certainly it is not GOOD.Then we need to look some

> where

> > > > MOKSHA.Is it not we attain through DHARMA.Thus the begining

is

> > end

> > > > and end is beginings,This what is essence of TRIPOD relation

> > > between

> > > > FIRST,FIFTH &NINTH house.

> > > > > if Iam missing the track some where my colleagues will

> help

> > > you

> > > > and me answer in a better way

> > > > > krishnan

> > > > > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > > > POojya RRji, Krishnanji and Rishiji,

> > > > > Please permit me to add something. All the five steps take

a

> > lot

> > > > of

> > > > > conviction and self will to execute, but would they be of

> any

> > > > avail

> > > > > if there is no sixth step, Divine Will/Grace?

> > > > > I have always prided myself of always defining my goals

(one

> at

> > > > atime)

> > > > > and go about them with utmost sincerity and enthusiasm,

and

> > have

> > > > > managed to get only some of them achieved.Some did not

even

> > > merit

> > > > a

> > > > > headstart? When the input was equal the end result varied

so

> > > > > drastically.Can we conclude that ultimately it is the

> Almighty

> > > > that

> > > > > decides the result, or is it that even the Grace is tardy

in

> > > > arrving

> > > > > when u run one of your dashas? As it was true in my case

> when

> > > all

> > > > > through the four years of acute suffering no tangible help

> was

> > > > > forthcoming. there is only now a glimmer of light that too

> at

> > > the

> > > > > far end.How can we explain this? Predestined karma is what

> > makes

> > > > and

> > > > > breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts? please

> > enlighten

> > > > me.

> > > > > Thanks and regards

> > > > > Nalini

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , rishi shukla

> > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RRji,

> > > > > > And factually relating, astrology is directly related

> > > > > > to human behavior and its quirks.

> > > > > > I concur fully with what you have said, but

> > > > > > allow me to grumble...

> > > > > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > > 'here'

> > > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > > step four!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Step five: Do it"

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If one was able to do all of it, then one would not

> > > > > > seek or need divination of any form.

> > > > > > Then,its but human nature that one seeks short cuts.

> > > > > > Ordinary mortals, afterall. Even knowledge that

> > > > > > confirms that there are minimal chances of a sudden

> > > > > > surge of awareness does not bely hope.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rishi

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > > It is since long to see you make a right note.I

> > > > > > > only make addition as Astrology is an understandable

> > > > > > > communication(not a gesture!)

> > > > > > > True it's Value and the additions that the subject

> > > > > > > makes to humanity makes it devine too.So your steps:

> > > > > > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > > > 'here'

> > > > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > > > step four!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Step five: Do it"

> > > > > > > All can be implemented only with faith and belief

> > > > > > > and ofcourse certainly sincerity of purpose.

> > > > > > > I do not really mind to exploit Psychocology to

> > > > > > > convince and amke the subject understandable to one

> > > > > > > and all to solve life imposed riddles.Be it sanskara

> > > > > > > or be it eat to live.

> > > > > > > Let's hope millions(both haves and have nots) do

> > > > > > > look at the vastness world only to explore in his

> > > > > > > own way and comprehend to make living a positive

> > > > > > > approach

> > > > > > > otherwise Iam afraid:"it is not a mistake that

> > > > > > > step three comes before step four!"we will not be

> > > > > > > there as here is too complicated to define

> > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > > > > The more I see, my two cents for what they are

> > > > > > > worth, effective

> > > > > > > astrology boils down to communication. Both the

> > > > > > > astrologer and the

> > > > > > > nativity must make an effort to communicate and to

> > > > > > > be good at it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This cannot be done in a one shot, manner that most

> > > > > > > of us web-

> > > > > > > dwellers have gotten used to.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hence the dissatisfaction, the frustrations and

> > > > > > > fights that prevail.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It has an eerie resemblance to

> > > > > > > psychoanalysis/psychotherapy.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Interestingly, at least in the western scene of

> > > > > > > things, a lot of

> > > > > > > psychologists (amateur and otherwise) got attracted

> > > > > > > to astrology and

> > > > > > > actually made a lot of progress for themselves and

> > > > > > > for their craft.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The "tell me now, without mincing words and move on"

> > > > > > > mentality that

> > > > > > > we see from time to time, is more suited to

> > > > > > > situations where

> > > > > > > information and knowledge received more *directly*

> > > > > > > than astrology

> > > > > > > was ever intended to deliver is perhpas sought -- in

> > > > > > > the wrong forum

> > > > > > > perhaps!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Like much of worldly reality, unless I am sadly

> > > > > > > mistaken as some may

> > > > > > > believe or insist <!>, astrology is not about

> > > > > > > magical revelations

> > > > > > > and deliverances that happen overnight, remedially

> > > > > > > speaking or

> > > > > > > astrologically for that matter.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > All of us are looking for that magical panacea that

> > > > > > > would transform

> > > > > > > our current state of misery into beautitude, bliss

> > > > > > > and instant self-

> > > > > > > realization! Just look at the size of world's

> > > > > > > population and count

> > > > > > > the really self-realized ones over the centuries

> > > > > > > that most of us

> > > > > > > feel were truly REALIZED. Do the math!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Does that mean that there is no hope for the rest of

> > > > > > > us billions and

> > > > > > > billions?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Step one: Define hope

> > > > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > > > 'here'

> > > > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > > > step four!

> > > > > > >

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-Yes sir,

If I may say so I am privileged, I shall never forget it, my

constant gratitude to the Divine for a second chance??? no I have

lost count it started when I was 3 years old, afflicted with small

pox and was the only survivor of the entire children`s ward at the

Quarantine hospital at hyderabad, india.My mother used to say that

she had prayed to the Divine mother and was given the"Madi

Pitchai"(tamil) gave her child back as alms in her lap.

regards

Nalini

 

-- In , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb

wrote:

>

> Dear Nalini,

>

> What a scary experience that must have been!

>

> I am glad that you were protected. Many are not that lucky.

>

> , "auromirra19"

> <nalini2818@> wrote:

> >

> > Sir, I remember a line which I used to put up on the message

board

> > at my bank branch, "You are in the danger of getting runover

even

> if

> > you are on the right track and dont move", This has always made

me

> > constantly reinvent myself, ( thoough I have grumbled and

> > complained).I would also like to share with you a true life

> > threatning situation. It was miracle I was not run over

literally

> > leave alone left rear-ended. At an intersection, I got down from

> my

> > car to walk to my work and in the hurry my pallu got into the

> door.

> > My driver and my husband took off. I was dragged a considerable

> > distance in the road, my bag, my mobile and me thrown in

> different

> > directions.It was literally then that everything had stopped in

> > time. It was bang in front of a busstop, and a very busy road at

> > 9.30 in the morning, infact it was the main signal at Marina

Beach

> > at Chennai. The policeman saw it a started a hue and cry and

> > signalled to my car and in the meanwhile there was a single auto

> on

> > the road, and a lady was in it she got down helped me get up,(

my

> > saree got torn and that was how i became free).My car came back

> and

> > I got into it went to a doctor. Nothing happened to me. not even

a

> > scratch. AS i was going back I noticed the crammed traffic. I

have

> > always wondered how it could be so, other days I had to get down

> and

> > hurry up as there was always a bus to rear-end me.

> > It was truly revealing, in fact that was the beginning of the

four

> > years of suffering I mentioned in my earlier post.I was

afflicted

> > with a mysterious disease not diagnosed and lot followed through

> and

> > it has now left me with two lungs severely damaged, feet and

arms

> > swollen, acutely diabetic,with hypothyroidism, on high potency

> > steroids, financially unsettled, no career and in an alien land.

> > But I am learning to cope and reinvent myself and have not given

> up.

> > It is interactions with learned gurus like yourself, pandit

Arjun

> > garu, krishnan garu which gives me the much needed thrust to

take

> > off.

> >

> > Regards

> > Nalini

> >

> > -- In , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > If you failed to fill up, the chances of your being in a

headon

> > > collision are very little (unless you are driving in the wrong

> > lane)

> > > however you do risk being rear-ended! And in that situation it

> is

> > > generally the fault of the driver in the rear vehicle, hence

no

> > > karma for you (insurance premium rising or police fining you) -

-

> > as

> > > long as you do not suffer a whiplash or other back injury ;-)

> > >

> > > , "auromirra19"

> > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Poojya Rohiniji,

> > > >

> > > > Absolutely Fantastic!! I am spell bound.As usual I have in

my

> > long

> > > > winding way done it, yes it is true, How can Divine grace be

a

> > > step,

> > > > it is a life line. Truly amazing, but then I have always

been

> a

> > > > lousy driver, no wonder met with somany accidents and

> frequently

> > > > must have forgotten to fill up, and in a hurry got into the

> top

> > > gear

> > > > before going through the gamut. Thanks a lot, that is what I

> am

> > > > doing now , unlearnt what I have and started learning afresh

> and

> > > it

> > > > is so revealing. I have now started learning literally,

HUman

> > > > Resources Management at 46 years, and also at life's school

> > which

> > > is

> > > > teaching me lessons in humility, tolerance patience and what

> > not.

> > > > God there is so much to learn, and I wish to cram as much as

> > > > possible within this lifetime. As Mother rightly said, the

day

> > you

> > > > feel you have done enough and learnt enough, that is the day

> you

> > > > start growing old. Now I realise, why I have never been able

> to

> > be

> > > > satisfied/happy with what I had materially, in my career and

> > > always

> > > > hankered after that elusive something.I always wondered when

I

> > > heard

> > > > happy laughter ring out how could people be so happy? What I

> am

> > > > after is something which is substantial in not being so and

> all

> > I

> > > > have gone through is but a way of reaching it.As usual you

> > > have,sir,

> > > > in your inimitable analytical, with deep insight, succinctly

> > > > conevyed the meaning.

> > > > Regards

> > > > nalini

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "rohiniranjan"

> <rrgb@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nalini ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Open gate,

> > > > > sit down

> > > > > turn ignition

> > > > > look around

> > > > > press clutch pedal

> > > > > put car in first gear

> > > > > drive

> > > > >

> > > > > Those are steps

> > > > >

> > > > > Divine Will/Grace is the petrol/gasoline. It cannot be a

step

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohini

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , "auromirra19"

> > > > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > POojya RRji, Krishnanji and Rishiji,

> > > > > > Please permit me to add something. All the five steps

take

> a

> > > lot

> > > > > of

> > > > > > conviction and self will to execute, but would they be

of

> > any

> > > > > avail

> > > > > > if there is no sixth step, Divine Will/Grace?

> > > > > > I have always prided myself of always defining my goals

> (one

> > at

> > > > > atime)

> > > > > > and go about them with utmost sincerity and enthusiasm,

> and

> > > have

> > > > > > managed to get only some of them achieved.Some did not

> even

> > > > merit

> > > > > a

> > > > > > headstart? When the input was equal the end result

varied

> so

> > > > > > drastically.Can we conclude that ultimately it is the

> > Almighty

> > > > > that

> > > > > > decides the result, or is it that even the Grace is

tardy

> in

> > > > > arrving

> > > > > > when u run one of your dashas? As it was true in my case

> > when

> > > > all

> > > > > > through the four years of acute suffering no tangible

help

> > was

> > > > > > forthcoming. there is only now a glimmer of light that

too

> > at

> > > > the

> > > > > > far end.How can we explain this? Predestined karma is

what

> > > makes

> > > > > and

> > > > > > breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts? please

> > > enlighten

> > > > > me.

> > > > > > Thanks and regards

> > > > > > Nalini

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , rishi shukla

> > > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RRji,

> > > > > > > And factually relating, astrology is directly related

> > > > > > > to human behavior and its quirks.

> > > > > > > I concur fully with what you have said, but

> > > > > > > allow me to grumble...

> > > > > > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > > > 'here'

> > > > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > > > step four!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Step five: Do it"

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If one was able to do all of it, then one would not

> > > > > > > seek or need divination of any form.

> > > > > > > Then,its but human nature that one seeks short cuts.

> > > > > > > Ordinary mortals, afterall. Even knowledge that

> > > > > > > confirms that there are minimal chances of a sudden

> > > > > > > surge of awareness does not bely hope.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rishi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > > > It is since long to see you make a right note.I

> > > > > > > > only make addition as Astrology is an understandable

> > > > > > > > communication(not a gesture!)

> > > > > > > > True it's Value and the additions that the subject

> > > > > > > > makes to humanity makes it devine too.So your steps:

> > > > > > > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > > > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > > > > 'here'

> > > > > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > > > > step four!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Step five: Do it"

> > > > > > > > All can be implemented only with faith and belief

> > > > > > > > and ofcourse certainly sincerity of purpose.

> > > > > > > > I do not really mind to exploit Psychocology to

> > > > > > > > convince and amke the subject understandable to one

> > > > > > > > and all to solve life imposed riddles.Be it sanskara

> > > > > > > > or be it eat to live.

> > > > > > > > Let's hope millions(both haves and have nots) do

> > > > > > > > look at the vastness world only to explore in his

> > > > > > > > own way and comprehend to make living a positive

> > > > > > > > approach

> > > > > > > > otherwise Iam afraid:"it is not a mistake that

> > > > > > > > step three comes before step four!"we will not be

> > > > > > > > there as here is too complicated to define

> > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > The more I see, my two cents for what they are

> > > > > > > > worth, effective

> > > > > > > > astrology boils down to communication. Both the

> > > > > > > > astrologer and the

> > > > > > > > nativity must make an effort to communicate and to

> > > > > > > > be good at it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This cannot be done in a one shot, manner that most

> > > > > > > > of us web-

> > > > > > > > dwellers have gotten used to.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hence the dissatisfaction, the frustrations and

> > > > > > > > fights that prevail.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It has an eerie resemblance to

> > > > > > > > psychoanalysis/psychotherapy.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Interestingly, at least in the western scene of

> > > > > > > > things, a lot of

> > > > > > > > psychologists (amateur and otherwise) got attracted

> > > > > > > > to astrology and

> > > > > > > > actually made a lot of progress for themselves and

> > > > > > > > for their craft.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The "tell me now, without mincing words and move on"

> > > > > > > > mentality that

> > > > > > > > we see from time to time, is more suited to

> > > > > > > > situations where

> > > > > > > > information and knowledge received more *directly*

> > > > > > > > than astrology

> > > > > > > > was ever intended to deliver is perhpas sought -- in

> > > > > > > > the wrong forum

> > > > > > > > perhaps!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Like much of worldly reality, unless I am sadly

> > > > > > > > mistaken as some may

> > > > > > > > believe or insist <!>, astrology is not about

> > > > > > > > magical revelations

> > > > > > > > and deliverances that happen overnight, remedially

> > > > > > > > speaking or

> > > > > > > > astrologically for that matter.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > All of us are looking for that magical panacea that

> > > > > > > > would transform

> > > > > > > > our current state of misery into beautitude, bliss

> > > > > > > > and instant self-

> > > > > > > > realization! Just look at the size of world's

> > > > > > > > population and count

> > > > > > > > the really self-realized ones over the centuries

> > > > > > > > that most of us

> > > > > > > > feel were truly REALIZED. Do the math!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Does that mean that there is no hope for the rest of

> > > > > > > > us billions and

> > > > > > > > billions?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Step one: Define hope

> > > > > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > > > > 'here'

> > > > > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > > > > step four!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Step five: Do it!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Peace and Love!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR

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> > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> > > > > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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Such destiny/divinity protected individuals obviously have a

specific mission to accomplish, that is why they are returned back

to earthly reality. They must explore and seek and accomplish that

promise.

 

That is my belief.

 

, "auromirra19"

<nalini2818 wrote:

>

> -Yes sir,

> If I may say so I am privileged, I shall never forget it, my

> constant gratitude to the Divine for a second chance??? no I have

> lost count it started when I was 3 years old, afflicted with small

> pox and was the only survivor of the entire children`s ward at the

> Quarantine hospital at hyderabad, india.My mother used to say that

> she had prayed to the Divine mother and was given the"Madi

> Pitchai"(tamil) gave her child back as alms in her lap.

> regards

> Nalini

>

> -- In , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Nalini,

> >

> > What a scary experience that must have been!

> >

> > I am glad that you were protected. Many are not that lucky.

> >

> > , "auromirra19"

> > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sir, I remember a line which I used to put up on the message

> board

> > > at my bank branch, "You are in the danger of getting runover

> even

> > if

> > > you are on the right track and dont move", This has always

made

> me

> > > constantly reinvent myself, ( thoough I have grumbled and

> > > complained).I would also like to share with you a true life

> > > threatning situation. It was miracle I was not run over

> literally

> > > leave alone left rear-ended. At an intersection, I got down

from

> > my

> > > car to walk to my work and in the hurry my pallu got into the

> > door.

> > > My driver and my husband took off. I was dragged a

considerable

> > > distance in the road, my bag, my mobile and me thrown in

> > different

> > > directions.It was literally then that everything had stopped

in

> > > time. It was bang in front of a busstop, and a very busy road

at

> > > 9.30 in the morning, infact it was the main signal at Marina

> Beach

> > > at Chennai. The policeman saw it a started a hue and cry and

> > > signalled to my car and in the meanwhile there was a single

auto

> > on

> > > the road, and a lady was in it she got down helped me get up,(

> my

> > > saree got torn and that was how i became free).My car came

back

> > and

> > > I got into it went to a doctor. Nothing happened to me. not

even

> a

> > > scratch. AS i was going back I noticed the crammed traffic. I

> have

> > > always wondered how it could be so, other days I had to get

down

> > and

> > > hurry up as there was always a bus to rear-end me.

> > > It was truly revealing, in fact that was the beginning of the

> four

> > > years of suffering I mentioned in my earlier post.I was

> afflicted

> > > with a mysterious disease not diagnosed and lot followed

through

> > and

> > > it has now left me with two lungs severely damaged, feet and

> arms

> > > swollen, acutely diabetic,with hypothyroidism, on high potency

> > > steroids, financially unsettled, no career and in an alien

land.

> > > But I am learning to cope and reinvent myself and have not

given

> > up.

> > > It is interactions with learned gurus like yourself, pandit

> Arjun

> > > garu, krishnan garu which gives me the much needed thrust to

> take

> > > off.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Nalini

> > >

> > > -- In , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > If you failed to fill up, the chances of your being in a

> headon

> > > > collision are very little (unless you are driving in the

wrong

> > > lane)

> > > > however you do risk being rear-ended! And in that situation

it

> > is

> > > > generally the fault of the driver in the rear vehicle, hence

> no

> > > > karma for you (insurance premium rising or police fining

you) -

> -

> > > as

> > > > long as you do not suffer a whiplash or other back injury ;-)

> > > >

> > > > , "auromirra19"

> > > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Poojya Rohiniji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Absolutely Fantastic!! I am spell bound.As usual I have in

> my

> > > long

> > > > > winding way done it, yes it is true, How can Divine grace

be

> a

> > > > step,

> > > > > it is a life line. Truly amazing, but then I have always

> been

> > a

> > > > > lousy driver, no wonder met with somany accidents and

> > frequently

> > > > > must have forgotten to fill up, and in a hurry got into

the

> > top

> > > > gear

> > > > > before going through the gamut. Thanks a lot, that is what

I

> > am

> > > > > doing now , unlearnt what I have and started learning

afresh

> > and

> > > > it

> > > > > is so revealing. I have now started learning literally,

> HUman

> > > > > Resources Management at 46 years, and also at life's

school

> > > which

> > > > is

> > > > > teaching me lessons in humility, tolerance patience and

what

> > > not.

> > > > > God there is so much to learn, and I wish to cram as much

as

> > > > > possible within this lifetime. As Mother rightly said, the

> day

> > > you

> > > > > feel you have done enough and learnt enough, that is the

day

> > you

> > > > > start growing old. Now I realise, why I have never been

able

> > to

> > > be

> > > > > satisfied/happy with what I had materially, in my career

and

> > > > always

> > > > > hankered after that elusive something.I always wondered

when

> I

> > > > heard

> > > > > happy laughter ring out how could people be so happy? What

I

> > am

> > > > > after is something which is substantial in not being so

and

> > all

> > > I

> > > > > have gone through is but a way of reaching it.As usual you

> > > > have,sir,

> > > > > in your inimitable analytical, with deep insight,

succinctly

> > > > > conevyed the meaning.

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > nalini

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , "rohiniranjan"

> > <rrgb@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nalini ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Open gate,

> > > > > > sit down

> > > > > > turn ignition

> > > > > > look around

> > > > > > press clutch pedal

> > > > > > put car in first gear

> > > > > > drive

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Those are steps

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Divine Will/Grace is the petrol/gasoline. It cannot be a

> step

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohini

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "auromirra19"

> > > > > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > POojya RRji, Krishnanji and Rishiji,

> > > > > > > Please permit me to add something. All the five steps

> take

> > a

> > > > lot

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > conviction and self will to execute, but would they be

> of

> > > any

> > > > > > avail

> > > > > > > if there is no sixth step, Divine Will/Grace?

> > > > > > > I have always prided myself of always defining my goals

> > (one

> > > at

> > > > > > atime)

> > > > > > > and go about them with utmost sincerity and

enthusiasm,

> > and

> > > > have

> > > > > > > managed to get only some of them achieved.Some did not

> > even

> > > > > merit

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > headstart? When the input was equal the end result

> varied

> > so

> > > > > > > drastically.Can we conclude that ultimately it is the

> > > Almighty

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > decides the result, or is it that even the Grace is

> tardy

> > in

> > > > > > arrving

> > > > > > > when u run one of your dashas? As it was true in my

case

> > > when

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > through the four years of acute suffering no tangible

> help

> > > was

> > > > > > > forthcoming. there is only now a glimmer of light that

> too

> > > at

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > far end.How can we explain this? Predestined karma is

> what

> > > > makes

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts? please

> > > > enlighten

> > > > > > me.

> > > > > > > Thanks and regards

> > > > > > > Nalini

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , rishi shukla

> > > > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RRji,

> > > > > > > > And factually relating, astrology is directly related

> > > > > > > > to human behavior and its quirks.

> > > > > > > > I concur fully with what you have said, but

> > > > > > > > allow me to grumble...

> > > > > > > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > > > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > > > > 'here'

> > > > > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > > > > step four!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Step five: Do it"

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If one was able to do all of it, then one would not

> > > > > > > > seek or need divination of any form.

> > > > > > > > Then,its but human nature that one seeks short cuts.

> > > > > > > > Ordinary mortals, afterall. Even knowledge that

> > > > > > > > confirms that there are minimal chances of a sudden

> > > > > > > > surge of awareness does not bely hope.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rishi

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > > > > It is since long to see you make a right note.I

> > > > > > > > > only make addition as Astrology is an

understandable

> > > > > > > > > communication(not a gesture!)

> > > > > > > > > True it's Value and the additions that the

subject

> > > > > > > > > makes to humanity makes it devine too.So your

steps:

> > > > > > > > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > > > > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > > > > > 'here'

> > > > > > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes

before

> > > > > > > > > step four!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Step five: Do it"

> > > > > > > > > All can be implemented only with faith and belief

> > > > > > > > > and ofcourse certainly sincerity of purpose.

> > > > > > > > > I do not really mind to exploit Psychocology to

> > > > > > > > > convince and amke the subject understandable to one

> > > > > > > > > and all to solve life imposed riddles.Be it

sanskara

> > > > > > > > > or be it eat to live.

> > > > > > > > > Let's hope millions(both haves and have nots) do

> > > > > > > > > look at the vastness world only to explore in his

> > > > > > > > > own way and comprehend to make living a positive

> > > > > > > > > approach

> > > > > > > > > otherwise Iam afraid:"it is not a mistake that

> > > > > > > > > step three comes before step four!"we will not be

> > > > > > > > > there as here is too complicated to define

> > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > The more I see, my two cents for what they are

> > > > > > > > > worth, effective

> > > > > > > > > astrology boils down to communication. Both the

> > > > > > > > > astrologer and the

> > > > > > > > > nativity must make an effort to communicate and to

> > > > > > > > > be good at it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This cannot be done in a one shot, manner that most

> > > > > > > > > of us web-

> > > > > > > > > dwellers have gotten used to.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hence the dissatisfaction, the frustrations and

> > > > > > > > > fights that prevail.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It has an eerie resemblance to

> > > > > > > > > psychoanalysis/psychotherapy.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Interestingly, at least in the western scene of

> > > > > > > > > things, a lot of

> > > > > > > > > psychologists (amateur and otherwise) got attracted

> > > > > > > > > to astrology and

> > > > > > > > > actually made a lot of progress for themselves and

> > > > > > > > > for their craft.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The "tell me now, without mincing words and move

on"

> > > > > > > > > mentality that

> > > > > > > > > we see from time to time, is more suited to

> > > > > > > > > situations where

> > > > > > > > > information and knowledge received more *directly*

> > > > > > > > > than astrology

> > > > > > > > > was ever intended to deliver is perhpas sought --

in

> > > > > > > > > the wrong forum

> > > > > > > > > perhaps!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Like much of worldly reality, unless I am sadly

> > > > > > > > > mistaken as some may

> > > > > > > > > believe or insist <!>, astrology is not about

> > > > > > > > > magical revelations

> > > > > > > > > and deliverances that happen overnight, remedially

> > > > > > > > > speaking or

> > > > > > > > > astrologically for that matter.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > All of us are looking for that magical panacea that

> > > > > > > > > would transform

> > > > > > > > > our current state of misery into beautitude, bliss

> > > > > > > > > and instant self-

> > > > > > > > > realization! Just look at the size of world's

> > > > > > > > > population and count

> > > > > > > > > the really self-realized ones over the centuries

> > > > > > > > > that most of us

> > > > > > > > > feel were truly REALIZED. Do the math!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Does that mean that there is no hope for the rest

of

> > > > > > > > > us billions and

> > > > > > > > > billions?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Step one: Define hope

> > > > > > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > > > > > 'here'

> > > > > > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes

before

> > > > > > > > > step four!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Step five: Do it!!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Peace and Love!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> > > > > > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

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That is what I am assidously after , to discover the purpose of my

birth,my true goal. but still have not been able to decipher. I have

as usual requested help from Her again to help me out, and am still

waiting.I did receive a message of sorts on my birthday when I posed

this question that I had to prepare myself to be the vessel of

GodHead as that is the aspiration of every soul. But the vessel has

to be clean and in a fit state to be a receptacle. Here I am with a

diseased body, a confused mind. I am doing my best to make me

physical self ,each cell in the body fit to receive the Grace, I

donot know whether I will be successful in this lifetime. I have

taken the advice of learned gurus , I have started taking walks,

reduced my solid intake,( I am a vegetarian) as advised by in a

deeply insightful reading of my chart.As said in the reading I am

now taking baby steps and finding what life unfolds for me.

My heartfelt dhanyavad to you sirji,

Nalini

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb

wrote:

>

> Such destiny/divinity protected individuals obviously have a

> specific mission to accomplish, that is why they are returned back

> to earthly reality. They must explore and seek and accomplish that

> promise.

>

> That is my belief.

>

> , "auromirra19"

> <nalini2818@> wrote:

> >

> > -Yes sir,

> > If I may say so I am privileged, I shall never forget it, my

> > constant gratitude to the Divine for a second chance??? no I

have

> > lost count it started when I was 3 years old, afflicted with

small

> > pox and was the only survivor of the entire children`s ward at

the

> > Quarantine hospital at hyderabad, india.My mother used to say

that

> > she had prayed to the Divine mother and was given the"Madi

> > Pitchai"(tamil) gave her child back as alms in her lap.

> > regards

> > Nalini

> >

> > -- In , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Nalini,

> > >

> > > What a scary experience that must have been!

> > >

> > > I am glad that you were protected. Many are not that lucky.

> > >

> > > , "auromirra19"

> > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sir, I remember a line which I used to put up on the message

> > board

> > > > at my bank branch, "You are in the danger of getting runover

> > even

> > > if

> > > > you are on the right track and dont move", This has always

> made

> > me

> > > > constantly reinvent myself, ( thoough I have grumbled and

> > > > complained).I would also like to share with you a true life

> > > > threatning situation. It was miracle I was not run over

> > literally

> > > > leave alone left rear-ended. At an intersection, I got down

> from

> > > my

> > > > car to walk to my work and in the hurry my pallu got into

the

> > > door.

> > > > My driver and my husband took off. I was dragged a

> considerable

> > > > distance in the road, my bag, my mobile and me thrown in

> > > different

> > > > directions.It was literally then that everything had stopped

> in

> > > > time. It was bang in front of a busstop, and a very busy

road

> at

> > > > 9.30 in the morning, infact it was the main signal at Marina

> > Beach

> > > > at Chennai. The policeman saw it a started a hue and cry and

> > > > signalled to my car and in the meanwhile there was a single

> auto

> > > on

> > > > the road, and a lady was in it she got down helped me get up,

(

> > my

> > > > saree got torn and that was how i became free).My car came

> back

> > > and

> > > > I got into it went to a doctor. Nothing happened to me. not

> even

> > a

> > > > scratch. AS i was going back I noticed the crammed traffic.

I

> > have

> > > > always wondered how it could be so, other days I had to get

> down

> > > and

> > > > hurry up as there was always a bus to rear-end me.

> > > > It was truly revealing, in fact that was the beginning of

the

> > four

> > > > years of suffering I mentioned in my earlier post.I was

> > afflicted

> > > > with a mysterious disease not diagnosed and lot followed

> through

> > > and

> > > > it has now left me with two lungs severely damaged, feet and

> > arms

> > > > swollen, acutely diabetic,with hypothyroidism, on high

potency

> > > > steroids, financially unsettled, no career and in an alien

> land.

> > > > But I am learning to cope and reinvent myself and have not

> given

> > > up.

> > > > It is interactions with learned gurus like yourself, pandit

> > Arjun

> > > > garu, krishnan garu which gives me the much needed thrust to

> > take

> > > > off.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Nalini

> > > >

> > > > -- In , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > If you failed to fill up, the chances of your being in a

> > headon

> > > > > collision are very little (unless you are driving in the

> wrong

> > > > lane)

> > > > > however you do risk being rear-ended! And in that

situation

> it

> > > is

> > > > > generally the fault of the driver in the rear vehicle,

hence

> > no

> > > > > karma for you (insurance premium rising or police fining

> you) -

> > -

> > > > as

> > > > > long as you do not suffer a whiplash or other back

injury ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > , "auromirra19"

> > > > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Poojya Rohiniji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Absolutely Fantastic!! I am spell bound.As usual I have

in

> > my

> > > > long

> > > > > > winding way done it, yes it is true, How can Divine

grace

> be

> > a

> > > > > step,

> > > > > > it is a life line. Truly amazing, but then I have always

> > been

> > > a

> > > > > > lousy driver, no wonder met with somany accidents and

> > > frequently

> > > > > > must have forgotten to fill up, and in a hurry got into

> the

> > > top

> > > > > gear

> > > > > > before going through the gamut. Thanks a lot, that is

what

> I

> > > am

> > > > > > doing now , unlearnt what I have and started learning

> afresh

> > > and

> > > > > it

> > > > > > is so revealing. I have now started learning literally,

> > HUman

> > > > > > Resources Management at 46 years, and also at life's

> school

> > > > which

> > > > > is

> > > > > > teaching me lessons in humility, tolerance patience and

> what

> > > > not.

> > > > > > God there is so much to learn, and I wish to cram as

much

> as

> > > > > > possible within this lifetime. As Mother rightly said,

the

> > day

> > > > you

> > > > > > feel you have done enough and learnt enough, that is the

> day

> > > you

> > > > > > start growing old. Now I realise, why I have never been

> able

> > > to

> > > > be

> > > > > > satisfied/happy with what I had materially, in my career

> and

> > > > > always

> > > > > > hankered after that elusive something.I always wondered

> when

> > I

> > > > > heard

> > > > > > happy laughter ring out how could people be so happy?

What

> I

> > > am

> > > > > > after is something which is substantial in not being so

> and

> > > all

> > > > I

> > > > > > have gone through is but a way of reaching it.As usual

you

> > > > > have,sir,

> > > > > > in your inimitable analytical, with deep insight,

> succinctly

> > > > > > conevyed the meaning.

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > nalini

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "rohiniranjan"

> > > <rrgb@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nalini ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Open gate,

> > > > > > > sit down

> > > > > > > turn ignition

> > > > > > > look around

> > > > > > > press clutch pedal

> > > > > > > put car in first gear

> > > > > > > drive

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Those are steps

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Divine Will/Grace is the petrol/gasoline. It cannot be

a

> > step

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohini

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , "auromirra19"

> > > > > > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > POojya RRji, Krishnanji and Rishiji,

> > > > > > > > Please permit me to add something. All the five

steps

> > take

> > > a

> > > > > lot

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > conviction and self will to execute, but would they

be

> > of

> > > > any

> > > > > > > avail

> > > > > > > > if there is no sixth step, Divine Will/Grace?

> > > > > > > > I have always prided myself of always defining my

goals

> > > (one

> > > > at

> > > > > > > atime)

> > > > > > > > and go about them with utmost sincerity and

> enthusiasm,

> > > and

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > managed to get only some of them achieved.Some did

not

> > > even

> > > > > > merit

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > headstart? When the input was equal the end result

> > varied

> > > so

> > > > > > > > drastically.Can we conclude that ultimately it is

the

> > > > Almighty

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > decides the result, or is it that even the Grace is

> > tardy

> > > in

> > > > > > > arrving

> > > > > > > > when u run one of your dashas? As it was true in my

> case

> > > > when

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > through the four years of acute suffering no

tangible

> > help

> > > > was

> > > > > > > > forthcoming. there is only now a glimmer of light

that

> > too

> > > > at

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > far end.How can we explain this? Predestined karma

is

> > what

> > > > > makes

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts?

please

> > > > > enlighten

> > > > > > > me.

> > > > > > > > Thanks and regards

> > > > > > > > Nalini

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , rishi

shukla

> > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RRji,

> > > > > > > > > And factually relating, astrology is directly

related

> > > > > > > > > to human behavior and its quirks.

> > > > > > > > > I concur fully with what you have said, but

> > > > > > > > > allow me to grumble...

> > > > > > > > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > > > > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > > > > > 'here'

> > > > > > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes

before

> > > > > > > > > step four!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Step five: Do it"

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If one was able to do all of it, then one would not

> > > > > > > > > seek or need divination of any form.

> > > > > > > > > Then,its but human nature that one seeks short

cuts.

> > > > > > > > > Ordinary mortals, afterall. Even knowledge that

> > > > > > > > > confirms that there are minimal chances of a sudden

> > > > > > > > > surge of awareness does not bely hope.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rishi

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > It is since long to see you make a right note.I

> > > > > > > > > > only make addition as Astrology is an

> understandable

> > > > > > > > > > communication(not a gesture!)

> > > > > > > > > > True it's Value and the additions that the

> subject

> > > > > > > > > > makes to humanity makes it devine too.So your

> steps:

> > > > > > > > > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > > > > > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > > > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > > > > > > 'here'

> > > > > > > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes

> before

> > > > > > > > > > step four!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Step five: Do it"

> > > > > > > > > > All can be implemented only with faith and

belief

> > > > > > > > > > and ofcourse certainly sincerity of purpose.

> > > > > > > > > > I do not really mind to exploit Psychocology to

> > > > > > > > > > convince and amke the subject understandable to

one

> > > > > > > > > > and all to solve life imposed riddles.Be it

> sanskara

> > > > > > > > > > or be it eat to live.

> > > > > > > > > > Let's hope millions(both haves and have nots)

do

> > > > > > > > > > look at the vastness world only to explore in his

> > > > > > > > > > own way and comprehend to make living a positive

> > > > > > > > > > approach

> > > > > > > > > > otherwise Iam afraid:"it is not a mistake that

> > > > > > > > > > step three comes before step four!"we will not be

> > > > > > > > > > there as here is too complicated to define

> > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > The more I see, my two cents for what they are

> > > > > > > > > > worth, effective

> > > > > > > > > > astrology boils down to communication. Both the

> > > > > > > > > > astrologer and the

> > > > > > > > > > nativity must make an effort to communicate and

to

> > > > > > > > > > be good at it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This cannot be done in a one shot, manner that

most

> > > > > > > > > > of us web-

> > > > > > > > > > dwellers have gotten used to.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hence the dissatisfaction, the frustrations and

> > > > > > > > > > fights that prevail.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It has an eerie resemblance to

> > > > > > > > > > psychoanalysis/psychotherapy.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Interestingly, at least in the western scene of

> > > > > > > > > > things, a lot of

> > > > > > > > > > psychologists (amateur and otherwise) got

attracted

> > > > > > > > > > to astrology and

> > > > > > > > > > actually made a lot of progress for themselves

and

> > > > > > > > > > for their craft.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The "tell me now, without mincing words and move

> on"

> > > > > > > > > > mentality that

> > > > > > > > > > we see from time to time, is more suited to

> > > > > > > > > > situations where

> > > > > > > > > > information and knowledge received more

*directly*

> > > > > > > > > > than astrology

> > > > > > > > > > was ever intended to deliver is perhpas sought --

 

> in

> > > > > > > > > > the wrong forum

> > > > > > > > > > perhaps!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Like much of worldly reality, unless I am sadly

> > > > > > > > > > mistaken as some may

> > > > > > > > > > believe or insist <!>, astrology is not about

> > > > > > > > > > magical revelations

> > > > > > > > > > and deliverances that happen overnight,

remedially

> > > > > > > > > > speaking or

> > > > > > > > > > astrologically for that matter.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > All of us are looking for that magical panacea

that

> > > > > > > > > > would transform

> > > > > > > > > > our current state of misery into beautitude,

bliss

> > > > > > > > > > and instant self-

> > > > > > > > > > realization! Just look at the size of world's

> > > > > > > > > > population and count

> > > > > > > > > > the really self-realized ones over the centuries

> > > > > > > > > > that most of us

> > > > > > > > > > feel were truly REALIZED. Do the math!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Does that mean that there is no hope for the

rest

> of

> > > > > > > > > > us billions and

> > > > > > > > > > billions?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Step one: Define hope

> > > > > > > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > > > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > > > > > > 'here'

> > > > > > > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes

> before

> > > > > > > > > > step four!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Step five: Do it!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Peace and Love!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> > > > > > > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Dear nalini ji,

This episode was really a turning point irrespective of good and bad that came

out of dasa lords and in operation.when you say:"in fact that was the beginning

of the four years of suffering"a signal/a caution that has been given in gochara

for taking care of issues which normall we forget to realise.

Infact with reference to time of happening and relation to the natal chart is

worth finding out the case than containing as of destiny theory.may be when days

move smoothly and the psalm of life has only melody we have little concern for

future?

krishnan

 

rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

Dear Nalini,

 

What a scary experience that must have been!

 

I am glad that you were protected. Many are not that lucky.

 

, "auromirra19"

<nalini2818 wrote:

>

> Sir, I remember a line which I used to put up on the message board

> at my bank branch, "You are in the danger of getting runover even

if

> you are on the right track and dont move", This has always made me

> constantly reinvent myself, ( thoough I have grumbled and

> complained).I would also like to share with you a true life

> threatning situation. It was miracle I was not run over literally

> leave alone left rear-ended. At an intersection, I got down from

my

> car to walk to my work and in the hurry my pallu got into the

door.

> My driver and my husband took off. I was dragged a considerable

> distance in the road, my bag, my mobile and me thrown in

different

> directions.It was literally then that everything had stopped in

> time. It was bang in front of a busstop, and a very busy road at

> 9.30 in the morning, infact it was the main signal at Marina Beach

> at Chennai. The policeman saw it a started a hue and cry and

> signalled to my car and in the meanwhile there was a single auto

on

> the road, and a lady was in it she got down helped me get up,( my

> saree got torn and that was how i became free).My car came back

and

> I got into it went to a doctor. Nothing happened to me. not even a

> scratch. AS i was going back I noticed the crammed traffic. I have

> always wondered how it could be so, other days I had to get down

and

> hurry up as there was always a bus to rear-end me.

> It was truly revealing, in fact that was the beginning of the four

> years of suffering I mentioned in my earlier post.I was afflicted

> with a mysterious disease not diagnosed and lot followed through

and

> it has now left me with two lungs severely damaged, feet and arms

> swollen, acutely diabetic,with hypothyroidism, on high potency

> steroids, financially unsettled, no career and in an alien land.

> But I am learning to cope and reinvent myself and have not given

up.

> It is interactions with learned gurus like yourself, pandit Arjun

> garu, krishnan garu which gives me the much needed thrust to take

> off.

>

> Regards

> Nalini

>

> -- In , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@>

> wrote:

> >

> > If you failed to fill up, the chances of your being in a headon

> > collision are very little (unless you are driving in the wrong

> lane)

> > however you do risk being rear-ended! And in that situation it

is

> > generally the fault of the driver in the rear vehicle, hence no

> > karma for you (insurance premium rising or police fining you) --

> as

> > long as you do not suffer a whiplash or other back injury ;-)

> >

> > , "auromirra19"

> > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Poojya Rohiniji,

> > >

> > > Absolutely Fantastic!! I am spell bound.As usual I have in my

> long

> > > winding way done it, yes it is true, How can Divine grace be a

> > step,

> > > it is a life line. Truly amazing, but then I have always been

a

> > > lousy driver, no wonder met with somany accidents and

frequently

> > > must have forgotten to fill up, and in a hurry got into the

top

> > gear

> > > before going through the gamut. Thanks a lot, that is what I

am

> > > doing now , unlearnt what I have and started learning afresh

and

> > it

> > > is so revealing. I have now started learning literally, HUman

> > > Resources Management at 46 years, and also at life's school

> which

> > is

> > > teaching me lessons in humility, tolerance patience and what

> not.

> > > God there is so much to learn, and I wish to cram as much as

> > > possible within this lifetime. As Mother rightly said, the day

> you

> > > feel you have done enough and learnt enough, that is the day

you

> > > start growing old. Now I realise, why I have never been able

to

> be

> > > satisfied/happy with what I had materially, in my career and

> > always

> > > hankered after that elusive something.I always wondered when I

> > heard

> > > happy laughter ring out how could people be so happy? What I

am

> > > after is something which is substantial in not being so and

all

> I

> > > have gone through is but a way of reaching it.As usual you

> > have,sir,

> > > in your inimitable analytical, with deep insight, succinctly

> > > conevyed the meaning.

> > > Regards

> > > nalini

> > >

> > >

> > > , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nalini ji,

> > > >

> > > > Open gate,

> > > > sit down

> > > > turn ignition

> > > > look around

> > > > press clutch pedal

> > > > put car in first gear

> > > > drive

> > > >

> > > > Those are steps

> > > >

> > > > Divine Will/Grace is the petrol/gasoline. It cannot be a step

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Rohini

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "auromirra19"

> > > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > POojya RRji, Krishnanji and Rishiji,

> > > > > Please permit me to add something. All the five steps take

a

> > lot

> > > > of

> > > > > conviction and self will to execute, but would they be of

> any

> > > > avail

> > > > > if there is no sixth step, Divine Will/Grace?

> > > > > I have always prided myself of always defining my goals

(one

> at

> > > > atime)

> > > > > and go about them with utmost sincerity and enthusiasm,

and

> > have

> > > > > managed to get only some of them achieved.Some did not

even

> > > merit

> > > > a

> > > > > headstart? When the input was equal the end result varied

so

> > > > > drastically.Can we conclude that ultimately it is the

> Almighty

> > > > that

> > > > > decides the result, or is it that even the Grace is tardy

in

> > > > arrving

> > > > > when u run one of your dashas? As it was true in my case

> when

> > > all

> > > > > through the four years of acute suffering no tangible help

> was

> > > > > forthcoming. there is only now a glimmer of light that too

> at

> > > the

> > > > > far end.How can we explain this? Predestined karma is what

> > makes

> > > > and

> > > > > breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts? please

> > enlighten

> > > > me.

> > > > > Thanks and regards

> > > > > Nalini

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , rishi shukla

> > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RRji,

> > > > > > And factually relating, astrology is directly related

> > > > > > to human behavior and its quirks.

> > > > > > I concur fully with what you have said, but

> > > > > > allow me to grumble...

> > > > > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > > 'here'

> > > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > > step four!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Step five: Do it"

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If one was able to do all of it, then one would not

> > > > > > seek or need divination of any form.

> > > > > > Then,its but human nature that one seeks short cuts.

> > > > > > Ordinary mortals, afterall. Even knowledge that

> > > > > > confirms that there are minimal chances of a sudden

> > > > > > surge of awareness does not bely hope.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rishi

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > > It is since long to see you make a right note.I

> > > > > > > only make addition as Astrology is an understandable

> > > > > > > communication(not a gesture!)

> > > > > > > True it's Value and the additions that the subject

> > > > > > > makes to humanity makes it devine too.So your steps:

> > > > > > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > > > 'here'

> > > > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > > > step four!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Step five: Do it"

> > > > > > > All can be implemented only with faith and belief

> > > > > > > and ofcourse certainly sincerity of purpose.

> > > > > > > I do not really mind to exploit Psychocology to

> > > > > > > convince and amke the subject understandable to one

> > > > > > > and all to solve life imposed riddles.Be it sanskara

> > > > > > > or be it eat to live.

> > > > > > > Let's hope millions(both haves and have nots) do

> > > > > > > look at the vastness world only to explore in his

> > > > > > > own way and comprehend to make living a positive

> > > > > > > approach

> > > > > > > otherwise Iam afraid:"it is not a mistake that

> > > > > > > step three comes before step four!"we will not be

> > > > > > > there as here is too complicated to define

> > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > > > > The more I see, my two cents for what they are

> > > > > > > worth, effective

> > > > > > > astrology boils down to communication. Both the

> > > > > > > astrologer and the

> > > > > > > nativity must make an effort to communicate and to

> > > > > > > be good at it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This cannot be done in a one shot, manner that most

> > > > > > > of us web-

> > > > > > > dwellers have gotten used to.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hence the dissatisfaction, the frustrations and

> > > > > > > fights that prevail.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It has an eerie resemblance to

> > > > > > > psychoanalysis/psychotherapy.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Interestingly, at least in the western scene of

> > > > > > > things, a lot of

> > > > > > > psychologists (amateur and otherwise) got attracted

> > > > > > > to astrology and

> > > > > > > actually made a lot of progress for themselves and

> > > > > > > for their craft.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The "tell me now, without mincing words and move on"

> > > > > > > mentality that

> > > > > > > we see from time to time, is more suited to

> > > > > > > situations where

> > > > > > > information and knowledge received more *directly*

> > > > > > > than astrology

> > > > > > > was ever intended to deliver is perhpas sought -- in

> > > > > > > the wrong forum

> > > > > > > perhaps!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Like much of worldly reality, unless I am sadly

> > > > > > > mistaken as some may

> > > > > > > believe or insist <!>, astrology is not about

> > > > > > > magical revelations

> > > > > > > and deliverances that happen overnight, remedially

> > > > > > > speaking or

> > > > > > > astrologically for that matter.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > All of us are looking for that magical panacea that

> > > > > > > would transform

> > > > > > > our current state of misery into beautitude, bliss

> > > > > > > and instant self-

> > > > > > > realization! Just look at the size of world's

> > > > > > > population and count

> > > > > > > the really self-realized ones over the centuries

> > > > > > > that most of us

> > > > > > > feel were truly REALIZED. Do the math!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Does that mean that there is no hope for the rest of

> > > > > > > us billions and

> > > > > > > billions?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Step one: Define hope

> > > > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > > > 'here'

> > > > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > > > step four!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Step five: Do it!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Peace and Love!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> > > > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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Very wise words, very poetically said!

The sweet experiences are memories that keep us alive through the

hard climb

The recollection of moments of duress keep us humble during our best

times--reminders of possibilities that were reality in the past and

can be yet again in the future. They sensitize us to the plight of

others and out of that or plain karmic fear we are motivated to help

others in need. Either way, humanity wins!

 

Perhaps that is why all jyotishis and divinators of all cloths are

given the taste of bitter experiences, not because they are bad or

have terrible karma but just to make them experience what the

suffering nativity is or may be experiencing.

 

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear nalini ji,

> This episode was really a turning point irrespective of good and

bad that came out of dasa lords and in operation.when you say:"in

fact that was the beginning of the four years of suffering"a

signal/a caution that has been given in gochara for taking care of

issues which normall we forget to realise.

> Infact with reference to time of happening and relation to the

natal chart is worth finding out the case than containing as of

destiny theory.may be when days move smoothly and the psalm of life

has only melody we have little concern for future?

> krishnan

>

> rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

> Dear Nalini,

>

> What a scary experience that must have been!

>

> I am glad that you were protected. Many are not that lucky.

>

> , "auromirra19"

> <nalini2818@> wrote:

> >

> > Sir, I remember a line which I used to put up on the message

board

> > at my bank branch, "You are in the danger of getting runover

even

> if

> > you are on the right track and dont move", This has always made

me

> > constantly reinvent myself, ( thoough I have grumbled and

> > complained).I would also like to share with you a true life

> > threatning situation. It was miracle I was not run over

literally

> > leave alone left rear-ended. At an intersection, I got down from

> my

> > car to walk to my work and in the hurry my pallu got into the

> door.

> > My driver and my husband took off. I was dragged a considerable

> > distance in the road, my bag, my mobile and me thrown in

> different

> > directions.It was literally then that everything had stopped in

> > time. It was bang in front of a busstop, and a very busy road at

> > 9.30 in the morning, infact it was the main signal at Marina

Beach

> > at Chennai. The policeman saw it a started a hue and cry and

> > signalled to my car and in the meanwhile there was a single auto

> on

> > the road, and a lady was in it she got down helped me get up,(

my

> > saree got torn and that was how i became free).My car came back

> and

> > I got into it went to a doctor. Nothing happened to me. not even

a

> > scratch. AS i was going back I noticed the crammed traffic. I

have

> > always wondered how it could be so, other days I had to get down

> and

> > hurry up as there was always a bus to rear-end me.

> > It was truly revealing, in fact that was the beginning of the

four

> > years of suffering I mentioned in my earlier post.I was

afflicted

> > with a mysterious disease not diagnosed and lot followed through

> and

> > it has now left me with two lungs severely damaged, feet and

arms

> > swollen, acutely diabetic,with hypothyroidism, on high potency

> > steroids, financially unsettled, no career and in an alien land.

> > But I am learning to cope and reinvent myself and have not given

> up.

> > It is interactions with learned gurus like yourself, pandit

Arjun

> > garu, krishnan garu which gives me the much needed thrust to

take

> > off.

> >

> > Regards

> > Nalini

> >

> > -- In , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > If you failed to fill up, the chances of your being in a

headon

> > > collision are very little (unless you are driving in the wrong

> > lane)

> > > however you do risk being rear-ended! And in that situation it

> is

> > > generally the fault of the driver in the rear vehicle, hence

no

> > > karma for you (insurance premium rising or police fining you) -

-

> > as

> > > long as you do not suffer a whiplash or other back injury ;-)

> > >

> > > , "auromirra19"

> > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Poojya Rohiniji,

> > > >

> > > > Absolutely Fantastic!! I am spell bound.As usual I have in

my

> > long

> > > > winding way done it, yes it is true, How can Divine grace be

a

> > > step,

> > > > it is a life line. Truly amazing, but then I have always

been

> a

> > > > lousy driver, no wonder met with somany accidents and

> frequently

> > > > must have forgotten to fill up, and in a hurry got into the

> top

> > > gear

> > > > before going through the gamut. Thanks a lot, that is what I

> am

> > > > doing now , unlearnt what I have and started learning afresh

> and

> > > it

> > > > is so revealing. I have now started learning literally,

HUman

> > > > Resources Management at 46 years, and also at life's school

> > which

> > > is

> > > > teaching me lessons in humility, tolerance patience and what

> > not.

> > > > God there is so much to learn, and I wish to cram as much as

> > > > possible within this lifetime. As Mother rightly said, the

day

> > you

> > > > feel you have done enough and learnt enough, that is the day

> you

> > > > start growing old. Now I realise, why I have never been able

> to

> > be

> > > > satisfied/happy with what I had materially, in my career and

> > > always

> > > > hankered after that elusive something.I always wondered when

I

> > > heard

> > > > happy laughter ring out how could people be so happy? What I

> am

> > > > after is something which is substantial in not being so and

> all

> > I

> > > > have gone through is but a way of reaching it.As usual you

> > > have,sir,

> > > > in your inimitable analytical, with deep insight, succinctly

> > > > conevyed the meaning.

> > > > Regards

> > > > nalini

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "rohiniranjan"

> <rrgb@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nalini ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Open gate,

> > > > > sit down

> > > > > turn ignition

> > > > > look around

> > > > > press clutch pedal

> > > > > put car in first gear

> > > > > drive

> > > > >

> > > > > Those are steps

> > > > >

> > > > > Divine Will/Grace is the petrol/gasoline. It cannot be a

step

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohini

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , "auromirra19"

> > > > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > POojya RRji, Krishnanji and Rishiji,

> > > > > > Please permit me to add something. All the five steps

take

> a

> > > lot

> > > > > of

> > > > > > conviction and self will to execute, but would they be

of

> > any

> > > > > avail

> > > > > > if there is no sixth step, Divine Will/Grace?

> > > > > > I have always prided myself of always defining my goals

> (one

> > at

> > > > > atime)

> > > > > > and go about them with utmost sincerity and enthusiasm,

> and

> > > have

> > > > > > managed to get only some of them achieved.Some did not

> even

> > > > merit

> > > > > a

> > > > > > headstart? When the input was equal the end result

varied

> so

> > > > > > drastically.Can we conclude that ultimately it is the

> > Almighty

> > > > > that

> > > > > > decides the result, or is it that even the Grace is

tardy

> in

> > > > > arrving

> > > > > > when u run one of your dashas? As it was true in my case

> > when

> > > > all

> > > > > > through the four years of acute suffering no tangible

help

> > was

> > > > > > forthcoming. there is only now a glimmer of light that

too

> > at

> > > > the

> > > > > > far end.How can we explain this? Predestined karma is

what

> > > makes

> > > > > and

> > > > > > breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts? please

> > > enlighten

> > > > > me.

> > > > > > Thanks and regards

> > > > > > Nalini

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , rishi shukla

> > > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RRji,

> > > > > > > And factually relating, astrology is directly related

> > > > > > > to human behavior and its quirks.

> > > > > > > I concur fully with what you have said, but

> > > > > > > allow me to grumble...

> > > > > > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > > > 'here'

> > > > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > > > step four!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Step five: Do it"

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If one was able to do all of it, then one would not

> > > > > > > seek or need divination of any form.

> > > > > > > Then,its but human nature that one seeks short cuts.

> > > > > > > Ordinary mortals, afterall. Even knowledge that

> > > > > > > confirms that there are minimal chances of a sudden

> > > > > > > surge of awareness does not bely hope.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rishi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > > > It is since long to see you make a right note.I

> > > > > > > > only make addition as Astrology is an understandable

> > > > > > > > communication(not a gesture!)

> > > > > > > > True it's Value and the additions that the subject

> > > > > > > > makes to humanity makes it devine too.So your steps:

> > > > > > > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > > > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > > > > 'here'

> > > > > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > > > > step four!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Step five: Do it"

> > > > > > > > All can be implemented only with faith and belief

> > > > > > > > and ofcourse certainly sincerity of purpose.

> > > > > > > > I do not really mind to exploit Psychocology to

> > > > > > > > convince and amke the subject understandable to one

> > > > > > > > and all to solve life imposed riddles.Be it sanskara

> > > > > > > > or be it eat to live.

> > > > > > > > Let's hope millions(both haves and have nots) do

> > > > > > > > look at the vastness world only to explore in his

> > > > > > > > own way and comprehend to make living a positive

> > > > > > > > approach

> > > > > > > > otherwise Iam afraid:"it is not a mistake that

> > > > > > > > step three comes before step four!"we will not be

> > > > > > > > there as here is too complicated to define

> > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > The more I see, my two cents for what they are

> > > > > > > > worth, effective

> > > > > > > > astrology boils down to communication. Both the

> > > > > > > > astrologer and the

> > > > > > > > nativity must make an effort to communicate and to

> > > > > > > > be good at it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This cannot be done in a one shot, manner that most

> > > > > > > > of us web-

> > > > > > > > dwellers have gotten used to.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hence the dissatisfaction, the frustrations and

> > > > > > > > fights that prevail.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It has an eerie resemblance to

> > > > > > > > psychoanalysis/psychotherapy.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Interestingly, at least in the western scene of

> > > > > > > > things, a lot of

> > > > > > > > psychologists (amateur and otherwise) got attracted

> > > > > > > > to astrology and

> > > > > > > > actually made a lot of progress for themselves and

> > > > > > > > for their craft.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The "tell me now, without mincing words and move on"

> > > > > > > > mentality that

> > > > > > > > we see from time to time, is more suited to

> > > > > > > > situations where

> > > > > > > > information and knowledge received more *directly*

> > > > > > > > than astrology

> > > > > > > > was ever intended to deliver is perhpas sought -- in

> > > > > > > > the wrong forum

> > > > > > > > perhaps!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Like much of worldly reality, unless I am sadly

> > > > > > > > mistaken as some may

> > > > > > > > believe or insist <!>, astrology is not about

> > > > > > > > magical revelations

> > > > > > > > and deliverances that happen overnight, remedially

> > > > > > > > speaking or

> > > > > > > > astrologically for that matter.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > All of us are looking for that magical panacea that

> > > > > > > > would transform

> > > > > > > > our current state of misery into beautitude, bliss

> > > > > > > > and instant self-

> > > > > > > > realization! Just look at the size of world's

> > > > > > > > population and count

> > > > > > > > the really self-realized ones over the centuries

> > > > > > > > that most of us

> > > > > > > > feel were truly REALIZED. Do the math!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Does that mean that there is no hope for the rest of

> > > > > > > > us billions and

> > > > > > > > billions?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Step one: Define hope

> > > > > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > > > > 'here'

> > > > > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > > > > step four!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Step five: Do it!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Peace and Love!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR

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Respected krishnan ji,

NO. I was already suffering but not realised that I was and took it

in my stride, my health had already started to deteriorate. It takes

a lot to make me suffer as I am sort of insulated.I dont know why

pleasure and pain takes a while to penetrate, mostly pain, as true

pleasure for me is when my whole body is energised when I listen to

the Divine Mother's name or see her.I feel energy shooting up to the

head. Now coming to the time of happening I recollect it was May 14

or 15 2002. I was at Chennai. The next day the divisional office of

our Bank burnt down.I was once known for excellent memory and now I

am not sure of such important details. But after that event I

declined drastically healthwise, career wise. People even suggested

the spot i fell down could have been cursed/haunted.

But all I could think of was how I was saved.

My asc is gemini, venus , Mars in Capricorn, Sun in Aquarius,Moon,

ketu and mercury in pisces, rahu in virgo, Saturn and jupiter in

Sagittarius.28-02-1960,14.42hrs, Chennai

Iam now running venus mahadasa.

 

As you said could have been indication of things to come? Can you

throw some light?

 

 

Regards

Nalini

 

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear nalini ji,

> This episode was really a turning point irrespective of good and

bad that came out of dasa lords and in operation.when you say:"in

fact that was the beginning of the four years of suffering"a

signal/a caution that has been given in gochara for taking care of

issues which normall we forget to realise.

> Infact with reference to time of happening and relation to the

natal chart is worth finding out the case than containing as of

destiny theory.may be when days move smoothly and the psalm of life

has only melody we have little concern for future?

> krishnan

>

> rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

> Dear Nalini,

>

> What a scary experience that must have been!

>

> I am glad that you were protected. Many are not that lucky.

>

> , "auromirra19"

> <nalini2818@> wrote:

> >

> > Sir, I remember a line which I used to put up on the message

board

> > at my bank branch, "You are in the danger of getting runover

even

> if

> > you are on the right track and dont move", This has always made

me

> > constantly reinvent myself, ( thoough I have grumbled and

> > complained).I would also like to share with you a true life

> > threatning situation. It was miracle I was not run over

literally

> > leave alone left rear-ended. At an intersection, I got down from

> my

> > car to walk to my work and in the hurry my pallu got into the

> door.

> > My driver and my husband took off. I was dragged a considerable

> > distance in the road, my bag, my mobile and me thrown in

> different

> > directions.It was literally then that everything had stopped in

> > time. It was bang in front of a busstop, and a very busy road at

> > 9.30 in the morning, infact it was the main signal at Marina

Beach

> > at Chennai. The policeman saw it a started a hue and cry and

> > signalled to my car and in the meanwhile there was a single auto

> on

> > the road, and a lady was in it she got down helped me get up,(

my

> > saree got torn and that was how i became free).My car came back

> and

> > I got into it went to a doctor. Nothing happened to me. not even

a

> > scratch. AS i was going back I noticed the crammed traffic. I

have

> > always wondered how it could be so, other days I had to get down

> and

> > hurry up as there was always a bus to rear-end me.

> > It was truly revealing, in fact that was the beginning of the

four

> > years of suffering I mentioned in my earlier post.I was

afflicted

> > with a mysterious disease not diagnosed and lot followed through

> and

> > it has now left me with two lungs severely damaged, feet and

arms

> > swollen, acutely diabetic,with hypothyroidism, on high potency

> > steroids, financially unsettled, no career and in an alien land.

> > But I am learning to cope and reinvent myself and have not given

> up.

> > It is interactions with learned gurus like yourself, pandit

Arjun

> > garu, krishnan garu which gives me the much needed thrust to

take

> > off.

> >

> > Regards

> > Nalini

> >

> > -- In , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > If you failed to fill up, the chances of your being in a

headon

> > > collision are very little (unless you are driving in the wrong

> > lane)

> > > however you do risk being rear-ended! And in that situation it

> is

> > > generally the fault of the driver in the rear vehicle, hence

no

> > > karma for you (insurance premium rising or police fining you) -

-

> > as

> > > long as you do not suffer a whiplash or other back injury ;-)

> > >

> > > , "auromirra19"

> > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Poojya Rohiniji,

> > > >

> > > > Absolutely Fantastic!! I am spell bound.As usual I have in

my

> > long

> > > > winding way done it, yes it is true, How can Divine grace be

a

> > > step,

> > > > it is a life line. Truly amazing, but then I have always

been

> a

> > > > lousy driver, no wonder met with somany accidents and

> frequently

> > > > must have forgotten to fill up, and in a hurry got into the

> top

> > > gear

> > > > before going through the gamut. Thanks a lot, that is what I

> am

> > > > doing now , unlearnt what I have and started learning afresh

> and

> > > it

> > > > is so revealing. I have now started learning literally,

HUman

> > > > Resources Management at 46 years, and also at life's school

> > which

> > > is

> > > > teaching me lessons in humility, tolerance patience and what

> > not.

> > > > God there is so much to learn, and I wish to cram as much as

> > > > possible within this lifetime. As Mother rightly said, the

day

> > you

> > > > feel you have done enough and learnt enough, that is the day

> you

> > > > start growing old. Now I realise, why I have never been able

> to

> > be

> > > > satisfied/happy with what I had materially, in my career and

> > > always

> > > > hankered after that elusive something.I always wondered when

I

> > > heard

> > > > happy laughter ring out how could people be so happy? What I

> am

> > > > after is something which is substantial in not being so and

> all

> > I

> > > > have gone through is but a way of reaching it.As usual you

> > > have,sir,

> > > > in your inimitable analytical, with deep insight, succinctly

> > > > conevyed the meaning.

> > > > Regards

> > > > nalini

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "rohiniranjan"

> <rrgb@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nalini ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Open gate,

> > > > > sit down

> > > > > turn ignition

> > > > > look around

> > > > > press clutch pedal

> > > > > put car in first gear

> > > > > drive

> > > > >

> > > > > Those are steps

> > > > >

> > > > > Divine Will/Grace is the petrol/gasoline. It cannot be a

step

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohini

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , "auromirra19"

> > > > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > POojya RRji, Krishnanji and Rishiji,

> > > > > > Please permit me to add something. All the five steps

take

> a

> > > lot

> > > > > of

> > > > > > conviction and self will to execute, but would they be

of

> > any

> > > > > avail

> > > > > > if there is no sixth step, Divine Will/Grace?

> > > > > > I have always prided myself of always defining my goals

> (one

> > at

> > > > > atime)

> > > > > > and go about them with utmost sincerity and enthusiasm,

> and

> > > have

> > > > > > managed to get only some of them achieved.Some did not

> even

> > > > merit

> > > > > a

> > > > > > headstart? When the input was equal the end result

varied

> so

> > > > > > drastically.Can we conclude that ultimately it is the

> > Almighty

> > > > > that

> > > > > > decides the result, or is it that even the Grace is

tardy

> in

> > > > > arrving

> > > > > > when u run one of your dashas? As it was true in my case

> > when

> > > > all

> > > > > > through the four years of acute suffering no tangible

help

> > was

> > > > > > forthcoming. there is only now a glimmer of light that

too

> > at

> > > > the

> > > > > > far end.How can we explain this? Predestined karma is

what

> > > makes

> > > > > and

> > > > > > breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts? please

> > > enlighten

> > > > > me.

> > > > > > Thanks and regards

> > > > > > Nalini

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , rishi shukla

> > > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RRji,

> > > > > > > And factually relating, astrology is directly related

> > > > > > > to human behavior and its quirks.

> > > > > > > I concur fully with what you have said, but

> > > > > > > allow me to grumble...

> > > > > > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > > > 'here'

> > > > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > > > step four!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Step five: Do it"

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If one was able to do all of it, then one would not

> > > > > > > seek or need divination of any form.

> > > > > > > Then,its but human nature that one seeks short cuts.

> > > > > > > Ordinary mortals, afterall. Even knowledge that

> > > > > > > confirms that there are minimal chances of a sudden

> > > > > > > surge of awareness does not bely hope.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rishi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > > > It is since long to see you make a right note.I

> > > > > > > > only make addition as Astrology is an understandable

> > > > > > > > communication(not a gesture!)

> > > > > > > > True it's Value and the additions that the subject

> > > > > > > > makes to humanity makes it devine too.So your steps:

> > > > > > > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > > > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > > > > 'here'

> > > > > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > > > > step four!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Step five: Do it"

> > > > > > > > All can be implemented only with faith and belief

> > > > > > > > and ofcourse certainly sincerity of purpose.

> > > > > > > > I do not really mind to exploit Psychocology to

> > > > > > > > convince and amke the subject understandable to one

> > > > > > > > and all to solve life imposed riddles.Be it sanskara

> > > > > > > > or be it eat to live.

> > > > > > > > Let's hope millions(both haves and have nots) do

> > > > > > > > look at the vastness world only to explore in his

> > > > > > > > own way and comprehend to make living a positive

> > > > > > > > approach

> > > > > > > > otherwise Iam afraid:"it is not a mistake that

> > > > > > > > step three comes before step four!"we will not be

> > > > > > > > there as here is too complicated to define

> > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > The more I see, my two cents for what they are

> > > > > > > > worth, effective

> > > > > > > > astrology boils down to communication. Both the

> > > > > > > > astrologer and the

> > > > > > > > nativity must make an effort to communicate and to

> > > > > > > > be good at it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This cannot be done in a one shot, manner that most

> > > > > > > > of us web-

> > > > > > > > dwellers have gotten used to.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hence the dissatisfaction, the frustrations and

> > > > > > > > fights that prevail.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It has an eerie resemblance to

> > > > > > > > psychoanalysis/psychotherapy.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Interestingly, at least in the western scene of

> > > > > > > > things, a lot of

> > > > > > > > psychologists (amateur and otherwise) got attracted

> > > > > > > > to astrology and

> > > > > > > > actually made a lot of progress for themselves and

> > > > > > > > for their craft.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The "tell me now, without mincing words and move on"

> > > > > > > > mentality that

> > > > > > > > we see from time to time, is more suited to

> > > > > > > > situations where

> > > > > > > > information and knowledge received more *directly*

> > > > > > > > than astrology

> > > > > > > > was ever intended to deliver is perhpas sought -- in

> > > > > > > > the wrong forum

> > > > > > > > perhaps!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Like much of worldly reality, unless I am sadly

> > > > > > > > mistaken as some may

> > > > > > > > believe or insist <!>, astrology is not about

> > > > > > > > magical revelations

> > > > > > > > and deliverances that happen overnight, remedially

> > > > > > > > speaking or

> > > > > > > > astrologically for that matter.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > All of us are looking for that magical panacea that

> > > > > > > > would transform

> > > > > > > > our current state of misery into beautitude, bliss

> > > > > > > > and instant self-

> > > > > > > > realization! Just look at the size of world's

> > > > > > > > population and count

> > > > > > > > the really self-realized ones over the centuries

> > > > > > > > that most of us

> > > > > > > > feel were truly REALIZED. Do the math!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Does that mean that there is no hope for the rest of

> > > > > > > > us billions and

> > > > > > > > billions?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Step one: Define hope

> > > > > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > > > > 'here'

> > > > > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > > > > step four!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Step five: Do it!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Peace and Love!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > >

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Dear Nalini ji,

Earlier too I had gone through your Chart and various astrological

perspectives that come out with reference to that scary incident in life all of

a sudden(in an occult manner) have now been taken as base for analysis

Interestingly planets Sun ,Venus and Mars in your chart are placed from 10

degrees of mars to the highest 22.25 degrees of saturn,the atmakarak with Venus

as amatyakarak.The rest of the planets like debilitated mercury(lagna lord) in

10th.moon in uttarabhadra ruled by saturn and saturn lord of 8th and 9th houses

in ketu's moola nakshtra are all between 2.10 tojupiter's6.24 degrees.

certainly extreemities in life leading to several perversions can be

attributable to the drastic changes in the out look of life.order of dasas of

these planets from saturn to Ketu and venus at 39 years of life making way for

a different kind of spirtualism.This can be understood from:I dont know why

pleasure and pain takes a while to penetrate, mostly pain," as true

 

Secondly,Exalted mars in 8th associated with 5th and 12th lords Venus, though

indicative of problems in health particularly harmonal at the commencement of

dasa in 1999 caused a totally different out look in life after 39years of

birth.During the period of ve-su-mo in Nov2002 to ve-su-ma in

Dec2002,20th,operation of badahaka houses and marak lords evidently denote of

ghastly happenings.

jupiter as lord of 7th and 10th in 7th with saturn in kendra.from moon sign of

meena.placement of lord in 10th aspecting lagna,11th and 3rd though improves

these bhavas association of saturn,8th and 9th lords takes away glitter and

makes way for changed(gloomy) outlookIf Venus represents lord dharma and moksha

bhavas,jupiter as lord of kama bhava along with artha bhava of 10th sign

Venus(dasalord) in own house in lagan with jupiter in navamsa indicates deva

guru and daitya guru coming together in an earthy sign of taurus where moon gets

exalted has to be indicative of the changes in outlook of life also.when you

mean"pleasure for me is when my whole body is energised when I listen to the

Divine Mother's name or see her."

Airy nature of gemini leads to intellect as mercury rules the sign but then

manah karak moon in jupiter sign and watery in nature imbibes values leading to

vikara.Affliction of not only moon(dara karak) but jupiter associated with

atmakarak.Difficulties(if painful)and pleasure(if happines)have little influence

as rulers of these elements never indicated any difference in various life

stages.may be the appreciative gesture indicated in Arjun pandit's

elobartions,by you could be understood and analysed.otherwise dasa of venus(lord

of 5th representing for poorva janma)and bhagya lord saturn with a contradictory

planet also in patal are all together giving different tunings to life.

Krishnan

with regards

 

auromirra19 <nalini2818 wrote:

Respected krishnan ji,

NO. I was already suffering but not realised that I was and took it

in my stride, my health had already started to deteriorate. It takes

a lot to make me suffer as I am sort of insulated.I dont know why

pleasure and pain takes a while to penetrate, mostly pain, as true

pleasure for me is when my whole body is energised when I listen to

the Divine Mother's name or see her.I feel energy shooting up to the

head. Now coming to the time of happening I recollect it was May 14

or 15 2002. I was at Chennai. The next day the divisional office of

our Bank burnt down.I was once known for excellent memory and now I

am not sure of such important details. But after that event I

declined drastically healthwise, career wise. People even suggested

the spot i fell down could have been cursed/haunted.

But all I could think of was how I was saved.

My asc is gemini, venus , Mars in Capricorn, Sun in Aquarius,Moon,

ketu and mercury in pisces, rahu in virgo, Saturn and jupiter in

Sagittarius.28-02-1960,14.42hrs, Chennai

Iam now running venus mahadasa.

 

As you said could have been indication of things to come? Can you

throw some light?

 

 

Regards

Nalini

 

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear nalini ji,

> This episode was really a turning point irrespective of good and

bad that came out of dasa lords and in operation.when you say:"in

fact that was the beginning of the four years of suffering"a

signal/a caution that has been given in gochara for taking care of

issues which normall we forget to realise.

> Infact with reference to time of happening and relation to the

natal chart is worth finding out the case than containing as of

destiny theory.may be when days move smoothly and the psalm of life

has only melody we have little concern for future?

> krishnan

>

> rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

> Dear Nalini,

>

> What a scary experience that must have been!

>

> I am glad that you were protected. Many are not that lucky.

>

> , "auromirra19"

> <nalini2818@> wrote:

> >

> > Sir, I remember a line which I used to put up on the message

board

> > at my bank branch, "You are in the danger of getting runover

even

> if

> > you are on the right track and dont move", This has always made

me

> > constantly reinvent myself, ( thoough I have grumbled and

> > complained).I would also like to share with you a true life

> > threatning situation. It was miracle I was not run over

literally

> > leave alone left rear-ended. At an intersection, I got down from

> my

> > car to walk to my work and in the hurry my pallu got into the

> door.

> > My driver and my husband took off. I was dragged a considerable

> > distance in the road, my bag, my mobile and me thrown in

> different

> > directions.It was literally then that everything had stopped in

> > time. It was bang in front of a busstop, and a very busy road at

> > 9.30 in the morning, infact it was the main signal at Marina

Beach

> > at Chennai. The policeman saw it a started a hue and cry and

> > signalled to my car and in the meanwhile there was a single auto

> on

> > the road, and a lady was in it she got down helped me get up,(

my

> > saree got torn and that was how i became free).My car came back

> and

> > I got into it went to a doctor. Nothing happened to me. not even

a

> > scratch. AS i was going back I noticed the crammed traffic. I

have

> > always wondered how it could be so, other days I had to get down

> and

> > hurry up as there was always a bus to rear-end me.

> > It was truly revealing, in fact that was the beginning of the

four

> > years of suffering I mentioned in my earlier post.I was

afflicted

> > with a mysterious disease not diagnosed and lot followed through

> and

> > it has now left me with two lungs severely damaged, feet and

arms

> > swollen, acutely diabetic,with hypothyroidism, on high potency

> > steroids, financially unsettled, no career and in an alien land.

> > But I am learning to cope and reinvent myself and have not given

> up.

> > It is interactions with learned gurus like yourself, pandit

Arjun

> > garu, krishnan garu which gives me the much needed thrust to

take

> > off.

> >

> > Regards

> > Nalini

> >

> > -- In , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > If you failed to fill up, the chances of your being in a

headon

> > > collision are very little (unless you are driving in the wrong

> > lane)

> > > however you do risk being rear-ended! And in that situation it

> is

> > > generally the fault of the driver in the rear vehicle, hence

no

> > > karma for you (insurance premium rising or police fining you) -

-

> > as

> > > long as you do not suffer a whiplash or other back injury ;-)

> > >

> > > , "auromirra19"

> > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Poojya Rohiniji,

> > > >

> > > > Absolutely Fantastic!! I am spell bound.As usual I have in

my

> > long

> > > > winding way done it, yes it is true, How can Divine grace be

a

> > > step,

> > > > it is a life line. Truly amazing, but then I have always

been

> a

> > > > lousy driver, no wonder met with somany accidents and

> frequently

> > > > must have forgotten to fill up, and in a hurry got into the

> top

> > > gear

> > > > before going through the gamut. Thanks a lot, that is what I

> am

> > > > doing now , unlearnt what I have and started learning afresh

> and

> > > it

> > > > is so revealing. I have now started learning literally,

HUman

> > > > Resources Management at 46 years, and also at life's school

> > which

> > > is

> > > > teaching me lessons in humility, tolerance patience and what

> > not.

> > > > God there is so much to learn, and I wish to cram as much as

> > > > possible within this lifetime. As Mother rightly said, the

day

> > you

> > > > feel you have done enough and learnt enough, that is the day

> you

> > > > start growing old. Now I realise, why I have never been able

> to

> > be

> > > > satisfied/happy with what I had materially, in my career and

> > > always

> > > > hankered after that elusive something.I always wondered when

I

> > > heard

> > > > happy laughter ring out how could people be so happy? What I

> am

> > > > after is something which is substantial in not being so and

> all

> > I

> > > > have gone through is but a way of reaching it.As usual you

> > > have,sir,

> > > > in your inimitable analytical, with deep insight, succinctly

> > > > conevyed the meaning.

> > > > Regards

> > > > nalini

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "rohiniranjan"

> <rrgb@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nalini ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Open gate,

> > > > > sit down

> > > > > turn ignition

> > > > > look around

> > > > > press clutch pedal

> > > > > put car in first gear

> > > > > drive

> > > > >

> > > > > Those are steps

> > > > >

> > > > > Divine Will/Grace is the petrol/gasoline. It cannot be a

step

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohini

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , "auromirra19"

> > > > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > POojya RRji, Krishnanji and Rishiji,

> > > > > > Please permit me to add something. All the five steps

take

> a

> > > lot

> > > > > of

> > > > > > conviction and self will to execute, but would they be

of

> > any

> > > > > avail

> > > > > > if there is no sixth step, Divine Will/Grace?

> > > > > > I have always prided myself of always defining my goals

> (one

> > at

> > > > > atime)

> > > > > > and go about them with utmost sincerity and enthusiasm,

> and

> > > have

> > > > > > managed to get only some of them achieved.Some did not

> even

> > > > merit

> > > > > a

> > > > > > headstart? When the input was equal the end result

varied

> so

> > > > > > drastically.Can we conclude that ultimately it is the

> > Almighty

> > > > > that

> > > > > > decides the result, or is it that even the Grace is

tardy

> in

> > > > > arrving

> > > > > > when u run one of your dashas? As it was true in my case

> > when

> > > > all

> > > > > > through the four years of acute suffering no tangible

help

> > was

> > > > > > forthcoming. there is only now a glimmer of light that

too

> > at

> > > > the

> > > > > > far end.How can we explain this? Predestined karma is

what

> > > makes

> > > > > and

> > > > > > breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts? please

> > > enlighten

> > > > > me.

> > > > > > Thanks and regards

> > > > > > Nalini

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , rishi shukla

> > > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RRji,

> > > > > > > And factually relating, astrology is directly related

> > > > > > > to human behavior and its quirks.

> > > > > > > I concur fully with what you have said, but

> > > > > > > allow me to grumble...

> > > > > > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > > > 'here'

> > > > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > > > step four!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Step five: Do it"

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If one was able to do all of it, then one would not

> > > > > > > seek or need divination of any form.

> > > > > > > Then,its but human nature that one seeks short cuts.

> > > > > > > Ordinary mortals, afterall. Even knowledge that

> > > > > > > confirms that there are minimal chances of a sudden

> > > > > > > surge of awareness does not bely hope.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rishi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > > > It is since long to see you make a right note.I

> > > > > > > > only make addition as Astrology is an understandable

> > > > > > > > communication(not a gesture!)

> > > > > > > > True it's Value and the additions that the subject

> > > > > > > > makes to humanity makes it devine too.So your steps:

> > > > > > > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > > > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > > > > 'here'

> > > > > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > > > > step four!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Step five: Do it"

> > > > > > > > All can be implemented only with faith and belief

> > > > > > > > and ofcourse certainly sincerity of purpose.

> > > > > > > > I do not really mind to exploit Psychocology to

> > > > > > > > convince and amke the subject understandable to one

> > > > > > > > and all to solve life imposed riddles.Be it sanskara

> > > > > > > > or be it eat to live.

> > > > > > > > Let's hope millions(both haves and have nots) do

> > > > > > > > look at the vastness world only to explore in his

> > > > > > > > own way and comprehend to make living a positive

> > > > > > > > approach

> > > > > > > > otherwise Iam afraid:"it is not a mistake that

> > > > > > > > step three comes before step four!"we will not be

> > > > > > > > there as here is too complicated to define

> > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > The more I see, my two cents for what they are

> > > > > > > > worth, effective

> > > > > > > > astrology boils down to communication. Both the

> > > > > > > > astrologer and the

> > > > > > > > nativity must make an effort to communicate and to

> > > > > > > > be good at it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This cannot be done in a one shot, manner that most

> > > > > > > > of us web-

> > > > > > > > dwellers have gotten used to.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hence the dissatisfaction, the frustrations and

> > > > > > > > fights that prevail.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It has an eerie resemblance to

> > > > > > > > psychoanalysis/psychotherapy.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Interestingly, at least in the western scene of

> > > > > > > > things, a lot of

> > > > > > > > psychologists (amateur and otherwise) got attracted

> > > > > > > > to astrology and

> > > > > > > > actually made a lot of progress for themselves and

> > > > > > > > for their craft.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The "tell me now, without mincing words and move on"

> > > > > > > > mentality that

> > > > > > > > we see from time to time, is more suited to

> > > > > > > > situations where

> > > > > > > > information and knowledge received more *directly*

> > > > > > > > than astrology

> > > > > > > > was ever intended to deliver is perhpas sought -- in

> > > > > > > > the wrong forum

> > > > > > > > perhaps!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Like much of worldly reality, unless I am sadly

> > > > > > > > mistaken as some may

> > > > > > > > believe or insist <!>, astrology is not about

> > > > > > > > magical revelations

> > > > > > > > and deliverances that happen overnight, remedially

> > > > > > > > speaking or

> > > > > > > > astrologically for that matter.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > All of us are looking for that magical panacea that

> > > > > > > > would transform

> > > > > > > > our current state of misery into beautitude, bliss

> > > > > > > > and instant self-

> > > > > > > > realization! Just look at the size of world's

> > > > > > > > population and count

> > > > > > > > the really self-realized ones over the centuries

> > > > > > > > that most of us

> > > > > > > > feel were truly REALIZED. Do the math!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Does that mean that there is no hope for the rest of

> > > > > > > > us billions and

> > > > > > > > billions?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Step one: Define hope

> > > > > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > > > > 'here'

> > > > > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > > > > step four!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Step five: Do it!!

> > > > > > > >

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Respected Krishnanji,

Thanks for a very detailed analysis. I have been wanting to post a

query reg my atmakarak and amatyakarak and you have given them in

your analysis. I am curious to know this, I usually have a

premonition of sorts, normally I cant sleep the whole night, or feel

uneasy but cant place my finger on, feel very depressed to the point

that I find sorrow pressing my heart to the extent i feel like

crying my heart out, before something bad happens or has been

averted.I have noticed it is always when it is something negative

and not otherwise.I never know it at that moment but have always

connected it later. But I never did have even a twinge when I had

the accident.

In fact It slipped my memory but you are right, I was hospitalised

during march 1999, and in ICU for 3 days for Tachycardia, which is

sudden increased heart beats, palpitations for which no reason has

been attributed. From then on my health has taken a turn for worse

and steadily nose dived since 2002. Can it be astrologically

explained why none of my health problems have been fully diagnosed

and are always inconclusive? thereby making correct medication/ help

unavailable.

Regards

Nalini

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99 wrote:

>

>

> Dear Nalini ji,

> Earlier too I had gone through your Chart and various

astrological perspectives that come out with reference to that scary

incident in life all of a sudden(in an occult manner) have now been

taken as base for analysis

> Interestingly planets Sun ,Venus and Mars in your chart are

placed from 10 degrees of mars to the highest 22.25 degrees of

saturn,the atmakarak with Venus as amatyakarak.The rest of the

planets like debilitated mercury(lagna lord) in 10th.moon in

uttarabhadra ruled by saturn and saturn lord of 8th and 9th houses

in ketu's moola nakshtra are all between 2.10 tojupiter's6.24

degrees.

> certainly extreemities in life leading to several perversions

can be attributable to the drastic changes in the out look of

life.order of dasas of these planets from saturn to Ketu and venus

at 39 years of life making way for a different kind of

spirtualism.This can be understood from:I dont know why pleasure and

pain takes a while to penetrate, mostly pain," as true

>

> Secondly,Exalted mars in 8th associated with 5th and 12th lords

Venus, though indicative of problems in health particularly harmonal

at the commencement of dasa in 1999 caused a totally different out

look in life after 39years of birth.During the period of ve-su-mo in

Nov2002 to ve-su-ma in Dec2002,20th,operation of badahaka houses and

marak lords evidently denote of ghastly happenings.

> jupiter as lord of 7th and 10th in 7th with saturn in

kendra.from moon sign of meena.placement of lord in 10th aspecting

lagna,11th and 3rd though improves these bhavas association of

saturn,8th and 9th lords takes away glitter and makes way for changed

(gloomy) outlookIf Venus represents lord dharma and moksha

bhavas,jupiter as lord of kama bhava along with artha bhava of 10th

sign

> Venus(dasalord) in own house in lagan with jupiter in navamsa

indicates deva guru and daitya guru coming together in an earthy

sign of taurus where moon gets exalted has to be indicative of the

changes in outlook of life also.when you mean"pleasure for me is

when my whole body is energised when I listen to the Divine Mother's

name or see her."

> Airy nature of gemini leads to intellect as mercury rules the

sign but then manah karak moon in jupiter sign and watery in nature

imbibes values leading to vikara.Affliction of not only moon(dara

karak) but jupiter associated with atmakarak.Difficulties(if painful)

and pleasure(if happines)have little influence as rulers of these

elements never indicated any difference in various life stages.may

be the appreciative gesture indicated in Arjun pandit's

elobartions,by you could be understood and analysed.otherwise dasa

of venus(lord of 5th representing for poorva janma)and bhagya lord

saturn with a contradictory planet also in patal are all together

giving different tunings to life.

> Krishnan

> with regards

>

> auromirra19 <nalini2818 wrote:

> Respected krishnan ji,

> NO. I was already suffering but not realised that I was and took

it

> in my stride, my health had already started to deteriorate. It

takes

> a lot to make me suffer as I am sort of insulated.I dont know why

> pleasure and pain takes a while to penetrate, mostly pain, as true

> pleasure for me is when my whole body is energised when I listen

to

> the Divine Mother's name or see her.I feel energy shooting up to

the

> head. Now coming to the time of happening I recollect it was May

14

> or 15 2002. I was at Chennai. The next day the divisional office

of

> our Bank burnt down.I was once known for excellent memory and now

I

> am not sure of such important details. But after that event I

> declined drastically healthwise, career wise. People even

suggested

> the spot i fell down could have been cursed/haunted.

> But all I could think of was how I was saved.

> My asc is gemini, venus , Mars in Capricorn, Sun in Aquarius,Moon,

> ketu and mercury in pisces, rahu in virgo, Saturn and jupiter in

> Sagittarius.28-02-1960,14.42hrs, Chennai

> Iam now running venus mahadasa.

>

> As you said could have been indication of things to come? Can you

> throw some light?

>

>

> Regards

> Nalini

>

> , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear nalini ji,

> > This episode was really a turning point irrespective of good

and

> bad that came out of dasa lords and in operation.when you say:"in

> fact that was the beginning of the four years of suffering"a

> signal/a caution that has been given in gochara for taking care of

> issues which normall we forget to realise.

> > Infact with reference to time of happening and relation to the

> natal chart is worth finding out the case than containing as of

> destiny theory.may be when days move smoothly and the psalm of

life

> has only melody we have little concern for future?

> > krishnan

> >

> > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > Dear Nalini,

> >

> > What a scary experience that must have been!

> >

> > I am glad that you were protected. Many are not that lucky.

> >

> > , "auromirra19"

> > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sir, I remember a line which I used to put up on the message

> board

> > > at my bank branch, "You are in the danger of getting runover

> even

> > if

> > > you are on the right track and dont move", This has always

made

> me

> > > constantly reinvent myself, ( thoough I have grumbled and

> > > complained).I would also like to share with you a true life

> > > threatning situation. It was miracle I was not run over

> literally

> > > leave alone left rear-ended. At an intersection, I got down

from

> > my

> > > car to walk to my work and in the hurry my pallu got into the

> > door.

> > > My driver and my husband took off. I was dragged a

considerable

> > > distance in the road, my bag, my mobile and me thrown in

> > different

> > > directions.It was literally then that everything had stopped

in

> > > time. It was bang in front of a busstop, and a very busy road

at

> > > 9.30 in the morning, infact it was the main signal at Marina

> Beach

> > > at Chennai. The policeman saw it a started a hue and cry and

> > > signalled to my car and in the meanwhile there was a single

auto

> > on

> > > the road, and a lady was in it she got down helped me get up,(

> my

> > > saree got torn and that was how i became free).My car came

back

> > and

> > > I got into it went to a doctor. Nothing happened to me. not

even

> a

> > > scratch. AS i was going back I noticed the crammed traffic. I

> have

> > > always wondered how it could be so, other days I had to get

down

> > and

> > > hurry up as there was always a bus to rear-end me.

> > > It was truly revealing, in fact that was the beginning of the

> four

> > > years of suffering I mentioned in my earlier post.I was

> afflicted

> > > with a mysterious disease not diagnosed and lot followed

through

> > and

> > > it has now left me with two lungs severely damaged, feet and

> arms

> > > swollen, acutely diabetic,with hypothyroidism, on high potency

> > > steroids, financially unsettled, no career and in an alien

land.

> > > But I am learning to cope and reinvent myself and have not

given

> > up.

> > > It is interactions with learned gurus like yourself, pandit

> Arjun

> > > garu, krishnan garu which gives me the much needed thrust to

> take

> > > off.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Nalini

> > >

> > > -- In , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > If you failed to fill up, the chances of your being in a

> headon

> > > > collision are very little (unless you are driving in the

wrong

> > > lane)

> > > > however you do risk being rear-ended! And in that situation

it

> > is

> > > > generally the fault of the driver in the rear vehicle, hence

> no

> > > > karma for you (insurance premium rising or police fining

you) -

> -

> > > as

> > > > long as you do not suffer a whiplash or other back injury ;-)

> > > >

> > > > , "auromirra19"

> > > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Poojya Rohiniji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Absolutely Fantastic!! I am spell bound.As usual I have in

> my

> > > long

> > > > > winding way done it, yes it is true, How can Divine grace

be

> a

> > > > step,

> > > > > it is a life line. Truly amazing, but then I have always

> been

> > a

> > > > > lousy driver, no wonder met with somany accidents and

> > frequently

> > > > > must have forgotten to fill up, and in a hurry got into

the

> > top

> > > > gear

> > > > > before going through the gamut. Thanks a lot, that is what

I

> > am

> > > > > doing now , unlearnt what I have and started learning

afresh

> > and

> > > > it

> > > > > is so revealing. I have now started learning literally,

> HUman

> > > > > Resources Management at 46 years, and also at life's

school

> > > which

> > > > is

> > > > > teaching me lessons in humility, tolerance patience and

what

> > > not.

> > > > > God there is so much to learn, and I wish to cram as much

as

> > > > > possible within this lifetime. As Mother rightly said, the

> day

> > > you

> > > > > feel you have done enough and learnt enough, that is the

day

> > you

> > > > > start growing old. Now I realise, why I have never been

able

> > to

> > > be

> > > > > satisfied/happy with what I had materially, in my career

and

> > > > always

> > > > > hankered after that elusive something.I always wondered

when

> I

> > > > heard

> > > > > happy laughter ring out how could people be so happy? What

I

> > am

> > > > > after is something which is substantial in not being so

and

> > all

> > > I

> > > > > have gone through is but a way of reaching it.As usual you

> > > > have,sir,

> > > > > in your inimitable analytical, with deep insight,

succinctly

> > > > > conevyed the meaning.

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > nalini

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , "rohiniranjan"

> > <rrgb@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nalini ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Open gate,

> > > > > > sit down

> > > > > > turn ignition

> > > > > > look around

> > > > > > press clutch pedal

> > > > > > put car in first gear

> > > > > > drive

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Those are steps

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Divine Will/Grace is the petrol/gasoline. It cannot be a

> step

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohini

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "auromirra19"

> > > > > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > POojya RRji, Krishnanji and Rishiji,

> > > > > > > Please permit me to add something. All the five steps

> take

> > a

> > > > lot

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > conviction and self will to execute, but would they be

> of

> > > any

> > > > > > avail

> > > > > > > if there is no sixth step, Divine Will/Grace?

> > > > > > > I have always prided myself of always defining my goals

> > (one

> > > at

> > > > > > atime)

> > > > > > > and go about them with utmost sincerity and

enthusiasm,

> > and

> > > > have

> > > > > > > managed to get only some of them achieved.Some did not

> > even

> > > > > merit

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > headstart? When the input was equal the end result

> varied

> > so

> > > > > > > drastically.Can we conclude that ultimately it is the

> > > Almighty

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > decides the result, or is it that even the Grace is

> tardy

> > in

> > > > > > arrving

> > > > > > > when u run one of your dashas? As it was true in my

case

> > > when

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > through the four years of acute suffering no tangible

> help

> > > was

> > > > > > > forthcoming. there is only now a glimmer of light that

> too

> > > at

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > far end.How can we explain this? Predestined karma is

> what

> > > > makes

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts? please

> > > > enlighten

> > > > > > me.

> > > > > > > Thanks and regards

> > > > > > > Nalini

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , rishi shukla

> > > > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RRji,

> > > > > > > > And factually relating, astrology is directly related

> > > > > > > > to human behavior and its quirks.

> > > > > > > > I concur fully with what you have said, but

> > > > > > > > allow me to grumble...

> > > > > > > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > > > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > > > > 'here'

> > > > > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > > > > step four!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Step five: Do it"

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If one was able to do all of it, then one would not

> > > > > > > > seek or need divination of any form.

> > > > > > > > Then,its but human nature that one seeks short cuts.

> > > > > > > > Ordinary mortals, afterall. Even knowledge that

> > > > > > > > confirms that there are minimal chances of a sudden

> > > > > > > > surge of awareness does not bely hope.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rishi

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > > > > It is since long to see you make a right note.I

> > > > > > > > > only make addition as Astrology is an

understandable

> > > > > > > > > communication(not a gesture!)

> > > > > > > > > True it's Value and the additions that the

subject

> > > > > > > > > makes to humanity makes it devine too.So your

steps:

> > > > > > > > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > > > > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > > > > > 'here'

> > > > > > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes

before

> > > > > > > > > step four!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Step five: Do it"

> > > > > > > > > All can be implemented only with faith and belief

> > > > > > > > > and ofcourse certainly sincerity of purpose.

> > > > > > > > > I do not really mind to exploit Psychocology to

> > > > > > > > > convince and amke the subject understandable to one

> > > > > > > > > and all to solve life imposed riddles.Be it

sanskara

> > > > > > > > > or be it eat to live.

> > > > > > > > > Let's hope millions(both haves and have nots) do

> > > > > > > > > look at the vastness world only to explore in his

> > > > > > > > > own way and comprehend to make living a positive

> > > > > > > > > approach

> > > > > > > > > otherwise Iam afraid:"it is not a mistake that

> > > > > > > > > step three comes before step four!"we will not be

> > > > > > > > > there as here is too complicated to define

> > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > The more I see, my two cents for what they are

> > > > > > > > > worth, effective

> > > > > > > > > astrology boils down to communication. Both the

> > > > > > > > > astrologer and the

> > > > > > > > > nativity must make an effort to communicate and to

> > > > > > > > > be good at it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This cannot be done in a one shot, manner that most

> > > > > > > > > of us web-

> > > > > > > > > dwellers have gotten used to.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hence the dissatisfaction, the frustrations and

> > > > > > > > > fights that prevail.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It has an eerie resemblance to

> > > > > > > > > psychoanalysis/psychotherapy.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Interestingly, at least in the western scene of

> > > > > > > > > things, a lot of

> > > > > > > > > psychologists (amateur and otherwise) got attracted

> > > > > > > > > to astrology and

> > > > > > > > > actually made a lot of progress for themselves and

> > > > > > > > > for their craft.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The "tell me now, without mincing words and move

on"

> > > > > > > > > mentality that

> > > > > > > > > we see from time to time, is more suited to

> > > > > > > > > situations where

> > > > > > > > > information and knowledge received more *directly*

> > > > > > > > > than astrology

> > > > > > > > > was ever intended to deliver is perhpas sought --

in

> > > > > > > > > the wrong forum

> > > > > > > > > perhaps!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Like much of worldly reality, unless I am sadly

> > > > > > > > > mistaken as some may

> > > > > > > > > believe or insist <!>, astrology is not about

> > > > > > > > > magical revelations

> > > > > > > > > and deliverances that happen overnight, remedially

> > > > > > > > > speaking or

> > > > > > > > > astrologically for that matter.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > All of us are looking for that magical panacea that

> > > > > > > > > would transform

> > > > > > > > > our current state of misery into beautitude, bliss

> > > > > > > > > and instant self-

> > > > > > > > > realization! Just look at the size of world's

> > > > > > > > > population and count

> > > > > > > > > the really self-realized ones over the centuries

> > > > > > > > > that most of us

> > > > > > > > > feel were truly REALIZED. Do the math!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Does that mean that there is no hope for the rest

of

> > > > > > > > > us billions and

> > > > > > > > > billions?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Step one: Define hope

> > > > > > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > > > > > 'here'

> > > > > > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes

before

> > > > > > > > > step four!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Step five: Do it!!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Peace and Love!

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> > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> > > > > > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

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