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The more I see, my two cents for what they are worth, effective

astrology boils down to communication. Both the astrologer and the

nativity must make an effort to communicate and to be good at it.

 

This cannot be done in a one shot, manner that most of us web-

dwellers have gotten used to.

 

Hence the dissatisfaction, the frustrations and fights that prevail.

 

It has an eerie resemblance to psychoanalysis/psychotherapy.

 

Interestingly, at least in the western scene of things, a lot of

psychologists (amateur and otherwise) got attracted to astrology and

actually made a lot of progress for themselves and for their craft.

 

The "tell me now, without mincing words and move on" mentality that

we see from time to time, is more suited to situations where

information and knowledge received more *directly* than astrology

was ever intended to deliver is perhpas sought -- in the wrong forum

perhaps!

 

Like much of worldly reality, unless I am sadly mistaken as some may

believe or insist <!>, astrology is not about magical revelations

and deliverances that happen overnight, remedially speaking or

astrologically for that matter.

 

All of us are looking for that magical panacea that would transform

our current state of misery into beautitude, bliss and instant self-

realization! Just look at the size of world's population and count

the really self-realized ones over the centuries that most of us

feel were truly REALIZED. Do the math!

 

Does that mean that there is no hope for the rest of us billions and

billions?

 

Step one: Define hope

Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

Step three: Find what it takes to get there from 'here'

Step four: Define 'here'

 

Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before step four!

 

Step five: Do it!!

 

Peace and Love!

 

RR

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Dear Shri Rohini Ji,

It is since long to see you make a right note.I only make addition as

Astrology is an understandable communication(not a gesture!)

True it's Value and the additions that the subject makes to humanity makes it

devine too.So your steps:

"Step one: Define hope

Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

Step three: Find what it takes to get there from 'here'

Step four: Define 'here'

 

Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before step four!

 

Step five: Do it"

All can be implemented only with faith and belief and ofcourse certainly

sincerity of purpose.

I do not really mind to exploit Psychocology to convince and amke the subject

understandable to one and all to solve life imposed riddles.Be it sanskara or be

it eat to live.

Let's hope millions(both haves and have nots) do look at the vastness world

only to explore in his own way and comprehend to make living a positive approach

otherwise Iam afraid:"it is not a mistake that step three comes before step

four!"we will not be there as here is too complicated to define

regards

krishnan

 

rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

The more I see, my two cents for what they are worth, effective

astrology boils down to communication. Both the astrologer and the

nativity must make an effort to communicate and to be good at it.

 

This cannot be done in a one shot, manner that most of us web-

dwellers have gotten used to.

 

Hence the dissatisfaction, the frustrations and fights that prevail.

 

It has an eerie resemblance to psychoanalysis/psychotherapy.

 

Interestingly, at least in the western scene of things, a lot of

psychologists (amateur and otherwise) got attracted to astrology and

actually made a lot of progress for themselves and for their craft.

 

The "tell me now, without mincing words and move on" mentality that

we see from time to time, is more suited to situations where

information and knowledge received more *directly* than astrology

was ever intended to deliver is perhpas sought -- in the wrong forum

perhaps!

 

Like much of worldly reality, unless I am sadly mistaken as some may

believe or insist <!>, astrology is not about magical revelations

and deliverances that happen overnight, remedially speaking or

astrologically for that matter.

 

All of us are looking for that magical panacea that would transform

our current state of misery into beautitude, bliss and instant self-

realization! Just look at the size of world's population and count

the really self-realized ones over the centuries that most of us

feel were truly REALIZED. Do the math!

 

Does that mean that there is no hope for the rest of us billions and

billions?

 

Step one: Define hope

Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

Step three: Find what it takes to get there from 'here'

Step four: Define 'here'

 

Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before step four!

 

Step five: Do it!!

 

Peace and Love!

 

RR

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RRji,

And factually relating, astrology is directly related

to human behavior and its quirks.

I concur fully with what you have said, but

allow me to grumble...

"Step one: Define hope

Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

'here'

Step four: Define 'here'

 

Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

step four!

 

Step five: Do it"

 

If one was able to do all of it, then one would not

seek or need divination of any form.

Then,its but human nature that one seeks short cuts.

Ordinary mortals, afterall. Even knowledge that

confirms that there are minimal chances of a sudden

surge of awareness does not bely hope.

 

regards

 

Rishi

 

 

--- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

 

> Dear Shri Rohini Ji,

> It is since long to see you make a right note.I

> only make addition as Astrology is an understandable

> communication(not a gesture!)

> True it's Value and the additions that the subject

> makes to humanity makes it devine too.So your steps:

> "Step one: Define hope

> Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> 'here'

> Step four: Define 'here'

>

> Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> step four!

>

> Step five: Do it"

> All can be implemented only with faith and belief

> and ofcourse certainly sincerity of purpose.

> I do not really mind to exploit Psychocology to

> convince and amke the subject understandable to one

> and all to solve life imposed riddles.Be it sanskara

> or be it eat to live.

> Let's hope millions(both haves and have nots) do

> look at the vastness world only to explore in his

> own way and comprehend to make living a positive

> approach

> otherwise Iam afraid:"it is not a mistake that

> step three comes before step four!"we will not be

> there as here is too complicated to define

> regards

> krishnan

>

> rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

> The more I see, my two cents for what they are

> worth, effective

> astrology boils down to communication. Both the

> astrologer and the

> nativity must make an effort to communicate and to

> be good at it.

>

> This cannot be done in a one shot, manner that most

> of us web-

> dwellers have gotten used to.

>

> Hence the dissatisfaction, the frustrations and

> fights that prevail.

>

> It has an eerie resemblance to

> psychoanalysis/psychotherapy.

>

> Interestingly, at least in the western scene of

> things, a lot of

> psychologists (amateur and otherwise) got attracted

> to astrology and

> actually made a lot of progress for themselves and

> for their craft.

>

> The "tell me now, without mincing words and move on"

> mentality that

> we see from time to time, is more suited to

> situations where

> information and knowledge received more *directly*

> than astrology

> was ever intended to deliver is perhpas sought -- in

> the wrong forum

> perhaps!

>

> Like much of worldly reality, unless I am sadly

> mistaken as some may

> believe or insist <!>, astrology is not about

> magical revelations

> and deliverances that happen overnight, remedially

> speaking or

> astrologically for that matter.

>

> All of us are looking for that magical panacea that

> would transform

> our current state of misery into beautitude, bliss

> and instant self-

> realization! Just look at the size of world's

> population and count

> the really self-realized ones over the centuries

> that most of us

> feel were truly REALIZED. Do the math!

>

> Does that mean that there is no hope for the rest of

> us billions and

> billions?

>

> Step one: Define hope

> Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> 'here'

> Step four: Define 'here'

>

> Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> step four!

>

> Step five: Do it!!

>

> Peace and Love!

>

> RR

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free

> vedic astrology

>

>

>

>

>

> Visit your group "" on the web.

>

> To from this group, send an email

> to:

>

>

> Your use of is subject to the

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

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>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi rishi,

 

it is too good and simplistic if this is so easy why do we need any

professional be it a doctor, lawyer, engineer, govt etc?

 

there r times ehen no one can relate to either failures or success inspite of

good efforts, say a fixed sports match, a rigged election or a faulty one like

how BUsh Jr got elected and gorer lost

Gayithri devi vasudev from ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE , Bangalore did say so b4

the voting both will will but hish is president.! how can u predict this

outcome otherwise tell me.

 

she id say rajiv gandhi era is over an new Surpirise PM is there 2 months b4

rajiv was killed.

 

she said Jayallaitha who pulled Vajyapaye Govt down -still he wud be back and

PM, did win and be PM

on JJ she said will win be unseated and be back, followed scriopt

 

in 1988 HER FATHER-Dr B V Raman (the Swami vivekananda of Indian astrology)

had said bangladesh will HAVE FLOODS, CYCLONES, FLLODS CYCLONES, FLOODS IN

MARCH not Monsson time remember. that was the 1st SAARC meet rAJIV GOT ALL ot

help BANGLADESH

 

TELL ME HOW WILL U PREDICT THESE in ur scheme of things... be practical

assess , accept wisdom from a know, test position, not commonet from a roof

top,

 

there r short commings IN ALL PROFESSIONS so too in astrology HERE IT IS MORE

TO MAKE ONES LIFE BETTER, accuracy is a side effect, by product,

 

u can give a cosmetic message if it helps in long run.

 

PRASHANT

9840051861

 

 

rishi shukla <rishi_2000in wrote: RRji,

And factually relating, astrology is directly related

to human behavior and its quirks.

I concur fully with what you have said, but

allow me to grumble...

"Step one: Define hope

Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

'here'

Step four: Define 'here'

 

Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

step four!

 

Step five: Do it"

 

If one was able to do all of it, then one would not

seek or need divination of any form.

Then,its but human nature that one seeks short cuts.

Ordinary mortals, afterall. Even knowledge that

confirms that there are minimal chances of a sudden

surge of awareness does not bely hope.

 

regards

 

Rishi

 

 

--- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

 

> Dear Shri Rohini Ji,

> It is since long to see you make a right note.I

> only make addition as Astrology is an understandable

> communication(not a gesture!)

> True it's Value and the additions that the subject

> makes to humanity makes it devine too.So your steps:

> "Step one: Define hope

> Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> 'here'

> Step four: Define 'here'

>

> Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> step four!

>

> Step five: Do it"

> All can be implemented only with faith and belief

> and ofcourse certainly sincerity of purpose.

> I do not really mind to exploit Psychocology to

> convince and amke the subject understandable to one

> and all to solve life imposed riddles.Be it sanskara

> or be it eat to live.

> Let's hope millions(both haves and have nots) do

> look at the vastness world only to explore in his

> own way and comprehend to make living a positive

> approach

> otherwise Iam afraid:"it is not a mistake that

> step three comes before step four!"we will not be

> there as here is too complicated to define

> regards

> krishnan

>

> rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

> The more I see, my two cents for what they are

> worth, effective

> astrology boils down to communication. Both the

> astrologer and the

> nativity must make an effort to communicate and to

> be good at it.

>

> This cannot be done in a one shot, manner that most

> of us web-

> dwellers have gotten used to.

>

> Hence the dissatisfaction, the frustrations and

> fights that prevail.

>

> It has an eerie resemblance to

> psychoanalysis/psychotherapy.

>

> Interestingly, at least in the western scene of

> things, a lot of

> psychologists (amateur and otherwise) got attracted

> to astrology and

> actually made a lot of progress for themselves and

> for their craft.

>

> The "tell me now, without mincing words and move on"

> mentality that

> we see from time to time, is more suited to

> situations where

> information and knowledge received more *directly*

> than astrology

> was ever intended to deliver is perhpas sought -- in

> the wrong forum

> perhaps!

>

> Like much of worldly reality, unless I am sadly

> mistaken as some may

> believe or insist <!>, astrology is not about

> magical revelations

> and deliverances that happen overnight, remedially

> speaking or

> astrologically for that matter.

>

> All of us are looking for that magical panacea that

> would transform

> our current state of misery into beautitude, bliss

> and instant self-

> realization! Just look at the size of world's

> population and count

> the really self-realized ones over the centuries

> that most of us

> feel were truly REALIZED. Do the math!

>

> Does that mean that there is no hope for the rest of

> us billions and

> billions?

>

> Step one: Define hope

> Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> 'here'

> Step four: Define 'here'

>

> Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> step four!

>

> Step five: Do it!!

>

> Peace and Love!

>

> RR

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free

> vedic astrology

>

>

>

>

>

> Visit your group "" on the web.

>

> To from this group, send an email

> to:

>

>

> Your use of is subject to the

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE

OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Rishi ji,

when you say:minimal chances of a sudden surge of awareness does not bely

hope."may be we r reassuring to be positve in mind and thoughts.Adding no doubt

some competence to handle all surges(+ or-)

we will not deny ascendant sign influence(fear or flight situations).After all

a person disgruntled has many situations to win(and in astrology we relaegate

unmindfully gochara)and all instances of politics power are no doubt a quirk of

fate(surges).Astrology being aknowledge science is fathomless and ceratinly

blessed (daughter of late Raman ji) Gayatri ji to make such great and historic

revealations.

If we consider ourselves as jyotishas we can no where be near to predict such

events.

Let's not limit nature for good and bad to happen(do it) and to reach there.

problem remains to see here and define here.This is mind boggling for ordinary

humanbeings as what he sees and perceives are not one and the same.

krishnan

 

 

 

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote:

Hi rishi,

 

it is too good and simplistic if this is so easy why do we need any

professional be it a doctor, lawyer, engineer, govt etc?

 

there r times ehen no one can relate to either failures or success inspite of

good efforts, say a fixed sports match, a rigged election or a faulty one like

how BUsh Jr got elected and gorer lost

Gayithri devi vasudev from ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE , Bangalore did say so b4

the voting both will will but hish is president.! how can u predict this

outcome otherwise tell me.

 

she id say rajiv gandhi era is over an new Surpirise PM is there 2 months b4

rajiv was killed.

 

she said Jayallaitha who pulled Vajyapaye Govt down -still he wud be back and

PM, did win and be PM

on JJ she said will win be unseated and be back, followed scriopt

 

in 1988 HER FATHER-Dr B V Raman (the Swami vivekananda of Indian astrology)

had said bangladesh will HAVE FLOODS, CYCLONES, FLLODS CYCLONES, FLOODS IN

MARCH not Monsson time remember. that was the 1st SAARC meet rAJIV GOT ALL ot

help BANGLADESH

 

TELL ME HOW WILL U PREDICT THESE in ur scheme of things... be practical

assess , accept wisdom from a know, test position, not commonet from a roof

top,

 

there r short commings IN ALL PROFESSIONS so too in astrology HERE IT IS MORE

TO MAKE ONES LIFE BETTER, accuracy is a side effect, by product,

 

u can give a cosmetic message if it helps in long run.

 

PRASHANT

9840051861

 

 

rishi shukla <rishi_2000in wrote: RRji,

And factually relating, astrology is directly related

to human behavior and its quirks.

I concur fully with what you have said, but

allow me to grumble...

"Step one: Define hope

Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

'here'

Step four: Define 'here'

 

Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

step four!

 

Step five: Do it"

 

If one was able to do all of it, then one would not

seek or need divination of any form.

Then,its but human nature that one seeks short cuts.

Ordinary mortals, afterall. Even knowledge that

confirms that there are minimal chances of a sudden

surge of awareness does not bely hope.

 

regards

 

Rishi

 

 

--- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

 

> Dear Shri Rohini Ji,

> It is since long to see you make a right note.I

> only make addition as Astrology is an understandable

> communication(not a gesture!)

> True it's Value and the additions that the subject

> makes to humanity makes it devine too.So your steps:

> "Step one: Define hope

> Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> 'here'

> Step four: Define 'here'

>

> Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> step four!

>

> Step five: Do it"

> All can be implemented only with faith and belief

> and ofcourse certainly sincerity of purpose.

> I do not really mind to exploit Psychocology to

> convince and amke the subject understandable to one

> and all to solve life imposed riddles.Be it sanskara

> or be it eat to live.

> Let's hope millions(both haves and have nots) do

> look at the vastness world only to explore in his

> own way and comprehend to make living a positive

> approach

> otherwise Iam afraid:"it is not a mistake that

> step three comes before step four!"we will not be

> there as here is too complicated to define

> regards

> krishnan

>

> rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

> The more I see, my two cents for what they are

> worth, effective

> astrology boils down to communication. Both the

> astrologer and the

> nativity must make an effort to communicate and to

> be good at it.

>

> This cannot be done in a one shot, manner that most

> of us web-

> dwellers have gotten used to.

>

> Hence the dissatisfaction, the frustrations and

> fights that prevail.

>

> It has an eerie resemblance to

> psychoanalysis/psychotherapy.

>

> Interestingly, at least in the western scene of

> things, a lot of

> psychologists (amateur and otherwise) got attracted

> to astrology and

> actually made a lot of progress for themselves and

> for their craft.

>

> The "tell me now, without mincing words and move on"

> mentality that

> we see from time to time, is more suited to

> situations where

> information and knowledge received more *directly*

> than astrology

> was ever intended to deliver is perhpas sought -- in

> the wrong forum

> perhaps!

>

> Like much of worldly reality, unless I am sadly

> mistaken as some may

> believe or insist <!>, astrology is not about

> magical revelations

> and deliverances that happen overnight, remedially

> speaking or

> astrologically for that matter.

>

> All of us are looking for that magical panacea that

> would transform

> our current state of misery into beautitude, bliss

> and instant self-

> realization! Just look at the size of world's

> population and count

> the really self-realized ones over the centuries

> that most of us

> feel were truly REALIZED. Do the math!

>

> Does that mean that there is no hope for the rest of

> us billions and

> billions?

>

> Step one: Define hope

> Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> 'here'

> Step four: Define 'here'

>

> Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> step four!

>

> Step five: Do it!!

>

> Peace and Love!

>

> RR

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free

> vedic astrology

>

>

>

>

>

> Visit your group "" on the web.

>

> To from this group, send an email

> to:

>

>

> Your use of is subject to the

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Rishi,

 

Your well constructed, well communicated message was a pleasure to

read and relish as always. The sight of the lotus in full bloom

allows the observer (consumer of reality!) to enjoy and relish while

blocking out the noise surrounding the 'panka-ja'.

 

Certain clarifications to rectify my obviously miscommunicated

piece :-)

 

I was not implying that all five steps need to be done in a definite

timeframe, or even a single lifetime and perhaps not necessarily in

a sequence. We humans are capable of parallel processing and

definitely I have nothing against a 'parallel' second track aiding

the astrologic process. Even if we want perhaps it cannot be

completely blocked as all must have experienced when working with

astrology. All I am cautioning is to make sure that we realize that

it is all not one and same or part of astrology. There is a term of

which all of these modalities are a part of: Divination. One may use

intuition, sadhna, astrology, palmistry, numerology, nimitta all

together but when we describe it, I would like to not mix them all

together -- just for the description -- because it is a left-brained

activity!

 

It was not a value judgment of any sort. If one has a high degree of

intuition that works, why take another route. It is all very

individualistic and certainly not a one bag of tricks.

 

I am also careful of over-attributing accurate predictions given by

someone to be solely based on astrology even though that may be the

dominant modality. Even when astrological symbolism is utilized to

explain the effect or prediction, when it was actually made, too

many complex thought processes run through the mind at all sorts of

levels of awareness and unawareness for even the astrologer to

experience and analyse! Even simple thoughts can be not so simple

when one begins to look at those, for instance in a meditative state.

 

RR

 

, rishi shukla

<rishi_2000in wrote:

>

> RRji,

> And factually relating, astrology is directly related

> to human behavior and its quirks.

> I concur fully with what you have said, but

> allow me to grumble...

> "Step one: Define hope

> Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> 'here'

> Step four: Define 'here'

>

> Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> step four!

>

> Step five: Do it"

>

> If one was able to do all of it, then one would not

> seek or need divination of any form.

> Then,its but human nature that one seeks short cuts.

> Ordinary mortals, afterall. Even knowledge that

> confirms that there are minimal chances of a sudden

> surge of awareness does not bely hope.

>

> regards

>

> Rishi

>

>

> --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> > Dear Shri Rohini Ji,

> > It is since long to see you make a right note.I

> > only make addition as Astrology is an understandable

> > communication(not a gesture!)

> > True it's Value and the additions that the subject

> > makes to humanity makes it devine too.So your steps:

> > "Step one: Define hope

> > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > 'here'

> > Step four: Define 'here'

> >

> > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > step four!

> >

> > Step five: Do it"

> > All can be implemented only with faith and belief

> > and ofcourse certainly sincerity of purpose.

> > I do not really mind to exploit Psychocology to

> > convince and amke the subject understandable to one

> > and all to solve life imposed riddles.Be it sanskara

> > or be it eat to live.

> > Let's hope millions(both haves and have nots) do

> > look at the vastness world only to explore in his

> > own way and comprehend to make living a positive

> > approach

> > otherwise Iam afraid:"it is not a mistake that

> > step three comes before step four!"we will not be

> > there as here is too complicated to define

> > regards

> > krishnan

> >

> > rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

> > The more I see, my two cents for what they are

> > worth, effective

> > astrology boils down to communication. Both the

> > astrologer and the

> > nativity must make an effort to communicate and to

> > be good at it.

> >

> > This cannot be done in a one shot, manner that most

> > of us web-

> > dwellers have gotten used to.

> >

> > Hence the dissatisfaction, the frustrations and

> > fights that prevail.

> >

> > It has an eerie resemblance to

> > psychoanalysis/psychotherapy.

> >

> > Interestingly, at least in the western scene of

> > things, a lot of

> > psychologists (amateur and otherwise) got attracted

> > to astrology and

> > actually made a lot of progress for themselves and

> > for their craft.

> >

> > The "tell me now, without mincing words and move on"

> > mentality that

> > we see from time to time, is more suited to

> > situations where

> > information and knowledge received more *directly*

> > than astrology

> > was ever intended to deliver is perhpas sought -- in

> > the wrong forum

> > perhaps!

> >

> > Like much of worldly reality, unless I am sadly

> > mistaken as some may

> > believe or insist <!>, astrology is not about

> > magical revelations

> > and deliverances that happen overnight, remedially

> > speaking or

> > astrologically for that matter.

> >

> > All of us are looking for that magical panacea that

> > would transform

> > our current state of misery into beautitude, bliss

> > and instant self-

> > realization! Just look at the size of world's

> > population and count

> > the really self-realized ones over the centuries

> > that most of us

> > feel were truly REALIZED. Do the math!

> >

> > Does that mean that there is no hope for the rest of

> > us billions and

> > billions?

> >

> > Step one: Define hope

> > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > 'here'

> > Step four: Define 'here'

> >

> > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > step four!

> >

> > Step five: Do it!!

> >

> > Peace and Love!

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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POojya RRji, Krishnanji and Rishiji,

Please permit me to add something. All the five steps take a lot of

conviction and self will to execute, but would they be of any avail

if there is no sixth step, Divine Will/Grace?

I have always prided myself of always defining my goals(one at atime)

and go about them with utmost sincerity and enthusiasm, and have

managed to get only some of them achieved.Some did not even merit a

headstart? When the input was equal the end result varied so

drastically.Can we conclude that ultimately it is the Almighty that

decides the result, or is it that even the Grace is tardy in arrving

when u run one of your dashas? As it was true in my case when all

through the four years of acute suffering no tangible help was

forthcoming. there is only now a glimmer of light that too at the

far end.How can we explain this? Predestined karma is what makes and

breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts? please enlighten me.

Thanks and regards

Nalini

 

 

 

, rishi shukla

<rishi_2000in wrote:

>

> RRji,

> And factually relating, astrology is directly related

> to human behavior and its quirks.

> I concur fully with what you have said, but

> allow me to grumble...

> "Step one: Define hope

> Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> 'here'

> Step four: Define 'here'

>

> Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> step four!

>

> Step five: Do it"

>

> If one was able to do all of it, then one would not

> seek or need divination of any form.

> Then,its but human nature that one seeks short cuts.

> Ordinary mortals, afterall. Even knowledge that

> confirms that there are minimal chances of a sudden

> surge of awareness does not bely hope.

>

> regards

>

> Rishi

>

>

> --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> > Dear Shri Rohini Ji,

> > It is since long to see you make a right note.I

> > only make addition as Astrology is an understandable

> > communication(not a gesture!)

> > True it's Value and the additions that the subject

> > makes to humanity makes it devine too.So your steps:

> > "Step one: Define hope

> > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > 'here'

> > Step four: Define 'here'

> >

> > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > step four!

> >

> > Step five: Do it"

> > All can be implemented only with faith and belief

> > and ofcourse certainly sincerity of purpose.

> > I do not really mind to exploit Psychocology to

> > convince and amke the subject understandable to one

> > and all to solve life imposed riddles.Be it sanskara

> > or be it eat to live.

> > Let's hope millions(both haves and have nots) do

> > look at the vastness world only to explore in his

> > own way and comprehend to make living a positive

> > approach

> > otherwise Iam afraid:"it is not a mistake that

> > step three comes before step four!"we will not be

> > there as here is too complicated to define

> > regards

> > krishnan

> >

> > rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

> > The more I see, my two cents for what they are

> > worth, effective

> > astrology boils down to communication. Both the

> > astrologer and the

> > nativity must make an effort to communicate and to

> > be good at it.

> >

> > This cannot be done in a one shot, manner that most

> > of us web-

> > dwellers have gotten used to.

> >

> > Hence the dissatisfaction, the frustrations and

> > fights that prevail.

> >

> > It has an eerie resemblance to

> > psychoanalysis/psychotherapy.

> >

> > Interestingly, at least in the western scene of

> > things, a lot of

> > psychologists (amateur and otherwise) got attracted

> > to astrology and

> > actually made a lot of progress for themselves and

> > for their craft.

> >

> > The "tell me now, without mincing words and move on"

> > mentality that

> > we see from time to time, is more suited to

> > situations where

> > information and knowledge received more *directly*

> > than astrology

> > was ever intended to deliver is perhpas sought -- in

> > the wrong forum

> > perhaps!

> >

> > Like much of worldly reality, unless I am sadly

> > mistaken as some may

> > believe or insist <!>, astrology is not about

> > magical revelations

> > and deliverances that happen overnight, remedially

> > speaking or

> > astrologically for that matter.

> >

> > All of us are looking for that magical panacea that

> > would transform

> > our current state of misery into beautitude, bliss

> > and instant self-

> > realization! Just look at the size of world's

> > population and count

> > the really self-realized ones over the centuries

> > that most of us

> > feel were truly REALIZED. Do the math!

> >

> > Does that mean that there is no hope for the rest of

> > us billions and

> > billions?

> >

> > Step one: Define hope

> > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > 'here'

> > Step four: Define 'here'

> >

> > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > step four!

> >

> > Step five: Do it!!

> >

> > Peace and Love!

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free

> > vedic astrology

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> > to:

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> >

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> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

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dear friend

 

with due respect to the glowing stars of astrology, i wish to submit

my two cents.

 

of late, there is a growing tendency on part of the astrologer

community to impress the world with their prowess by oft repeated

self praise of "I Said So".

 

india has produced various demi gods (godmen) whose collective

discipleship is more than a billion worldwide. when these godmen

were distributing food and relief material to the tsunami victims,

some people asked them if they are really godmen cant they prevent

such things. least they could not even predict this. None of these

so called most famous astrologers (be it bejan daruwala or

b.v.raman's daughter) have predicted the tsunami. also there is a

mad rush on these publicity seeking astrologers to list out numerous

natural disasters, terrorist attacks that too so frequently so much

so that whenever a minor mishap happens, they hit the idiot box

with "I Said So".

 

few years ago, in my initial days of getting divine inutions, i too

experimented in showing my prowess only to realise immediately that

it is doing no good either to me or to others. since then

restricted myself to serve the suffering instead of showing the

prowess.

 

the job of a realised person in pravritti marga is to bring smiles

on as many suffering people as he can.

 

my apologies if i offended any masters of astrology hankering after

publicity.

 

with best wishes and regards

arjun

 

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Hi rishi,

>

> it is too good and simplistic if this is so easy why do we need

any professional be it a doctor, lawyer, engineer, govt etc?

>

> there r times ehen no one can relate to either failures or

success inspite of good efforts, say a fixed sports match, a rigged

election or a faulty one like how BUsh Jr got elected and gorer lost

> Gayithri devi vasudev from ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE , Bangalore

did say so b4 the voting both will will but hish is president.! how

can u predict this outcome otherwise tell me.

>

> she id say rajiv gandhi era is over an new Surpirise PM is there

2 months b4 rajiv was killed.

>

> she said Jayallaitha who pulled Vajyapaye Govt down -still he

wud be back and PM, did win and be PM

> on JJ she said will win be unseated and be back, followed

scriopt

>

> in 1988 HER FATHER-Dr B V Raman (the Swami vivekananda of

Indian astrology) had said bangladesh will HAVE FLOODS,

CYCLONES, FLLODS CYCLONES, FLOODS IN MARCH not Monsson time

remember. that was the 1st SAARC meet rAJIV GOT ALL ot help

BANGLADESH

>

> TELL ME HOW WILL U PREDICT THESE in ur scheme of things... be

practical assess , accept wisdom from a know, test position, not

commonet from a roof top,

>

> there r short commings IN ALL PROFESSIONS so too in astrology

HERE IT IS MORE TO MAKE ONES LIFE BETTER, accuracy is a side

effect, by product,

>

> u can give a cosmetic message if it helps in long run.

>

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> rishi shukla <rishi_2000in wrote: RRji,

> And factually relating, astrology is directly related

> to human behavior and its quirks.

> I concur fully with what you have said, but

> allow me to grumble...

> "Step one: Define hope

> Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> 'here'

> Step four: Define 'here'

>

> Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> step four!

>

> Step five: Do it"

>

> If one was able to do all of it, then one would not

> seek or need divination of any form.

> Then,its but human nature that one seeks short cuts.

> Ordinary mortals, afterall. Even knowledge that

> confirms that there are minimal chances of a sudden

> surge of awareness does not bely hope.

>

> regards

>

> Rishi

>

>

> --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> > Dear Shri Rohini Ji,

> > It is since long to see you make a right note.I

> > only make addition as Astrology is an understandable

> > communication(not a gesture!)

> > True it's Value and the additions that the subject

> > makes to humanity makes it devine too.So your steps:

> > "Step one: Define hope

> > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > 'here'

> > Step four: Define 'here'

> >

> > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > step four!

> >

> > Step five: Do it"

> > All can be implemented only with faith and belief

> > and ofcourse certainly sincerity of purpose.

> > I do not really mind to exploit Psychocology to

> > convince and amke the subject understandable to one

> > and all to solve life imposed riddles.Be it sanskara

> > or be it eat to live.

> > Let's hope millions(both haves and have nots) do

> > look at the vastness world only to explore in his

> > own way and comprehend to make living a positive

> > approach

> > otherwise Iam afraid:"it is not a mistake that

> > step three comes before step four!"we will not be

> > there as here is too complicated to define

> > regards

> > krishnan

> >

> > rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

> > The more I see, my two cents for what they are

> > worth, effective

> > astrology boils down to communication. Both the

> > astrologer and the

> > nativity must make an effort to communicate and to

> > be good at it.

> >

> > This cannot be done in a one shot, manner that most

> > of us web-

> > dwellers have gotten used to.

> >

> > Hence the dissatisfaction, the frustrations and

> > fights that prevail.

> >

> > It has an eerie resemblance to

> > psychoanalysis/psychotherapy.

> >

> > Interestingly, at least in the western scene of

> > things, a lot of

> > psychologists (amateur and otherwise) got attracted

> > to astrology and

> > actually made a lot of progress for themselves and

> > for their craft.

> >

> > The "tell me now, without mincing words and move on"

> > mentality that

> > we see from time to time, is more suited to

> > situations where

> > information and knowledge received more *directly*

> > than astrology

> > was ever intended to deliver is perhpas sought -- in

> > the wrong forum

> > perhaps!

> >

> > Like much of worldly reality, unless I am sadly

> > mistaken as some may

> > believe or insist <!>, astrology is not about

> > magical revelations

> > and deliverances that happen overnight, remedially

> > speaking or

> > astrologically for that matter.

> >

> > All of us are looking for that magical panacea that

> > would transform

> > our current state of misery into beautitude, bliss

> > and instant self-

> > realization! Just look at the size of world's

> > population and count

> > the really self-realized ones over the centuries

> > that most of us

> > feel were truly REALIZED. Do the math!

> >

> > Does that mean that there is no hope for the rest of

> > us billions and

> > billions?

> >

> > Step one: Define hope

> > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > 'here'

> > Step four: Define 'here'

> >

> > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > step four!

> >

> > Step five: Do it!!

> >

> > Peace and Love!

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

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Prashant,

I presume that exactly is communication all about, the perceptions

of what the words mean from one reader to another; how they vary in

meaning, the same set of words.

Perhaps that is what symbolic comprehension is all about.

I took this message not only for astrologers, astrology seekers and

students like me, for those who reach across to astrologers to find

ways and means and take help but also to the world at large. RRji in

his own way focussed on the path of life and the Karma.

Krishnanji, you, Arjunji,me and now Nalini all react in different

ways to the same message.

My reply was not intended to be a comment on the practical usage and

success of predictions or not.Astrologers have since times

immemorial predicted successfully or otherwise many a future event

and may they continue to do so.

Astrologers have helped many in suffering and assisted in reducing

pain and misery.

Astrologers using myriad techniques and 'shuddh antakaran' have

guided human beings and may their blessings continue to one and all.

Regards

 

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RRji,

The path of life as well as that of astrology cannot be linear is

well understood. Your subsequent clarification is a continuation of

the initial message and as succinct as always.

regards

 

Rishi

 

 

 

 

 

In , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb

wrote:

>

> Dear Rishi,

>

> Your well constructed, well communicated message was a pleasure to

> read and relish as always. The sight of the lotus in full bloom

> allows the observer (consumer of reality!) to enjoy and relish

while

> blocking out the noise surrounding the 'panka-ja'.

>

> Certain clarifications to rectify my obviously miscommunicated

> piece :-)

>

> I was not implying that all five steps need to be done in a

definite

> timeframe, or even a single lifetime and perhaps not necessarily

in

> a sequence. We humans are capable of parallel processing and

> definitely I have nothing against a 'parallel' second track aiding

> the astrologic process. Even if we want perhaps it cannot be

> completely blocked as all must have experienced when working with

> astrology. All I am cautioning is to make sure that we realize

that

> it is all not one and same or part of astrology. There is a term

of

> which all of these modalities are a part of: Divination. One may

use

> intuition, sadhna, astrology, palmistry, numerology, nimitta all

> together but when we describe it, I would like to not mix them all

> together -- just for the description -- because it is a left-

brained

> activity!

>

> It was not a value judgment of any sort. If one has a high degree

of

> intuition that works, why take another route. It is all very

> individualistic and certainly not a one bag of tricks.

>

> I am also careful of over-attributing accurate predictions given

by

> someone to be solely based on astrology even though that may be

the

> dominant modality. Even when astrological symbolism is utilized to

> explain the effect or prediction, when it was actually made, too

> many complex thought processes run through the mind at all sorts

of

> levels of awareness and unawareness for even the astrologer to

> experience and analyse! Even simple thoughts can be not so simple

> when one begins to look at those, for instance in a meditative

state.

>

> RR

>

> , rishi shukla

> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> >

> > RRji,

> > And factually relating, astrology is directly related

> > to human behavior and its quirks.

> > I concur fully with what you have said, but

> > allow me to grumble...

> > "Step one: Define hope

> > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > 'here'

> > Step four: Define 'here'

> >

> > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > step four!

> >

> > Step five: Do it"

> >

> > If one was able to do all of it, then one would not

> > seek or need divination of any form.

> > Then,its but human nature that one seeks short cuts.

> > Ordinary mortals, afterall. Even knowledge that

> > confirms that there are minimal chances of a sudden

> > surge of awareness does not bely hope.

> >

> > regards

> >

> > Rishi

> >

> >

> > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Shri Rohini Ji,

> > > It is since long to see you make a right note.I

> > > only make addition as Astrology is an understandable

> > > communication(not a gesture!)

> > > True it's Value and the additions that the subject

> > > makes to humanity makes it devine too.So your steps:

> > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > 'here'

> > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > >

> > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > step four!

> > >

> > > Step five: Do it"

> > > All can be implemented only with faith and belief

> > > and ofcourse certainly sincerity of purpose.

> > > I do not really mind to exploit Psychocology to

> > > convince and amke the subject understandable to one

> > > and all to solve life imposed riddles.Be it sanskara

> > > or be it eat to live.

> > > Let's hope millions(both haves and have nots) do

> > > look at the vastness world only to explore in his

> > > own way and comprehend to make living a positive

> > > approach

> > > otherwise Iam afraid:"it is not a mistake that

> > > step three comes before step four!"we will not be

> > > there as here is too complicated to define

> > > regards

> > > krishnan

> > >

> > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > The more I see, my two cents for what they are

> > > worth, effective

> > > astrology boils down to communication. Both the

> > > astrologer and the

> > > nativity must make an effort to communicate and to

> > > be good at it.

> > >

> > > This cannot be done in a one shot, manner that most

> > > of us web-

> > > dwellers have gotten used to.

> > >

> > > Hence the dissatisfaction, the frustrations and

> > > fights that prevail.

> > >

> > > It has an eerie resemblance to

> > > psychoanalysis/psychotherapy.

> > >

> > > Interestingly, at least in the western scene of

> > > things, a lot of

> > > psychologists (amateur and otherwise) got attracted

> > > to astrology and

> > > actually made a lot of progress for themselves and

> > > for their craft.

> > >

> > > The "tell me now, without mincing words and move on"

> > > mentality that

> > > we see from time to time, is more suited to

> > > situations where

> > > information and knowledge received more *directly*

> > > than astrology

> > > was ever intended to deliver is perhpas sought -- in

> > > the wrong forum

> > > perhaps!

> > >

> > > Like much of worldly reality, unless I am sadly

> > > mistaken as some may

> > > believe or insist <!>, astrology is not about

> > > magical revelations

> > > and deliverances that happen overnight, remedially

> > > speaking or

> > > astrologically for that matter.

> > >

> > > All of us are looking for that magical panacea that

> > > would transform

> > > our current state of misery into beautitude, bliss

> > > and instant self-

> > > realization! Just look at the size of world's

> > > population and count

> > > the really self-realized ones over the centuries

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> > > feel were truly REALIZED. Do the math!

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Dear nalini ji,

Very genuinely you have conveyed your views and this will certainly be mind

boggling:

Predestined karma is what makes and

breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts?

On one hand it is the factor of" time".On the other hand our feeble mind that

wants many things.How do we really interlink and how do we convert wishes into

fulfilment and how the time cooperates.other way as i have to put it how well we

comprehend HERE to think of THERE.it is certainly battle of nerves.

For me the essence of ASTROLOGY is:how do we bring in balance between:

DHARMA,ARDHA.KAMA &MOKSHA

when we can really maintain an equation there is nothing like predetined till

we find meaning for MOKSHA.Astrology truely envisages that we get the results

for what we Do.

If do is DHARMA and then GET is ARDHA.Then the question is what is KAMA.For a

moment if we imply wish/desire as for KAMA is it bad.The answer is certainly

NO.But if we spiral into all wishes and desires,certainly it is not GOOD.Then we

need to look some where MOKSHA.Is it not we attain through DHARMA.Thus the

begining is end and end is beginings,This what is essence of TRIPOD relation

between FIRST,FIFTH &NINTH house.

if Iam missing the track some where my colleagues will help you and me answer

in a better way

krishnan

auromirra19 <nalini2818 wrote:

POojya RRji, Krishnanji and Rishiji,

Please permit me to add something. All the five steps take a lot of

conviction and self will to execute, but would they be of any avail

if there is no sixth step, Divine Will/Grace?

I have always prided myself of always defining my goals(one at atime)

and go about them with utmost sincerity and enthusiasm, and have

managed to get only some of them achieved.Some did not even merit a

headstart? When the input was equal the end result varied so

drastically.Can we conclude that ultimately it is the Almighty that

decides the result, or is it that even the Grace is tardy in arrving

when u run one of your dashas? As it was true in my case when all

through the four years of acute suffering no tangible help was

forthcoming. there is only now a glimmer of light that too at the

far end.How can we explain this? Predestined karma is what makes and

breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts? please enlighten me.

Thanks and regards

Nalini

 

 

 

, rishi shukla

<rishi_2000in wrote:

>

> RRji,

> And factually relating, astrology is directly related

> to human behavior and its quirks.

> I concur fully with what you have said, but

> allow me to grumble...

> "Step one: Define hope

> Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> 'here'

> Step four: Define 'here'

>

> Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> step four!

>

> Step five: Do it"

>

> If one was able to do all of it, then one would not

> seek or need divination of any form.

> Then,its but human nature that one seeks short cuts.

> Ordinary mortals, afterall. Even knowledge that

> confirms that there are minimal chances of a sudden

> surge of awareness does not bely hope.

>

> regards

>

> Rishi

>

>

> --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> > Dear Shri Rohini Ji,

> > It is since long to see you make a right note.I

> > only make addition as Astrology is an understandable

> > communication(not a gesture!)

> > True it's Value and the additions that the subject

> > makes to humanity makes it devine too.So your steps:

> > "Step one: Define hope

> > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > 'here'

> > Step four: Define 'here'

> >

> > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > step four!

> >

> > Step five: Do it"

> > All can be implemented only with faith and belief

> > and ofcourse certainly sincerity of purpose.

> > I do not really mind to exploit Psychocology to

> > convince and amke the subject understandable to one

> > and all to solve life imposed riddles.Be it sanskara

> > or be it eat to live.

> > Let's hope millions(both haves and have nots) do

> > look at the vastness world only to explore in his

> > own way and comprehend to make living a positive

> > approach

> > otherwise Iam afraid:"it is not a mistake that

> > step three comes before step four!"we will not be

> > there as here is too complicated to define

> > regards

> > krishnan

> >

> > rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

> > The more I see, my two cents for what they are

> > worth, effective

> > astrology boils down to communication. Both the

> > astrologer and the

> > nativity must make an effort to communicate and to

> > be good at it.

> >

> > This cannot be done in a one shot, manner that most

> > of us web-

> > dwellers have gotten used to.

> >

> > Hence the dissatisfaction, the frustrations and

> > fights that prevail.

> >

> > It has an eerie resemblance to

> > psychoanalysis/psychotherapy.

> >

> > Interestingly, at least in the western scene of

> > things, a lot of

> > psychologists (amateur and otherwise) got attracted

> > to astrology and

> > actually made a lot of progress for themselves and

> > for their craft.

> >

> > The "tell me now, without mincing words and move on"

> > mentality that

> > we see from time to time, is more suited to

> > situations where

> > information and knowledge received more *directly*

> > than astrology

> > was ever intended to deliver is perhpas sought -- in

> > the wrong forum

> > perhaps!

> >

> > Like much of worldly reality, unless I am sadly

> > mistaken as some may

> > believe or insist <!>, astrology is not about

> > magical revelations

> > and deliverances that happen overnight, remedially

> > speaking or

> > astrologically for that matter.

> >

> > All of us are looking for that magical panacea that

> > would transform

> > our current state of misery into beautitude, bliss

> > and instant self-

> > realization! Just look at the size of world's

> > population and count

> > the really self-realized ones over the centuries

> > that most of us

> > feel were truly REALIZED. Do the math!

> >

> > Does that mean that there is no hope for the rest of

> > us billions and

> > billions?

> >

> > Step one: Define hope

> > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > 'here'

> > Step four: Define 'here'

> >

> > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > step four!

> >

> > Step five: Do it!!

> >

> > Peace and Love!

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> > vedic astrology

> >

> >

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dear krishnan garu

 

well said. but i wish to answer ms. nalini's question in a more

elaborate manner.

 

in realistic terms, pre-destined karma cannot make or break a

person. we have already discussed this in various threads earlier

but we can redicuss the same. the birth chart is the audited karmic

statement of account as on the date of birth of the native based on

the karmas the native did in the previous births. till 15 years the

child is a puppet in the strings of the planets (pre-destined karma)

and has no strength or power to change it. due to advanced hybrid

modern generation, the child's ability to change karma has been

reduced to 12 now and is fast dropping to 8 soon. astrology helps

the native in understanding whether the native inherits debts or

assets so that future can be planned accordingly.

 

having said this, if you do not do any karma at all, it is like

allowing yourself float or drown for crossing a river. with your

efforts you can swim with your bare hands. with some remedial

measures like airtube, boat or motorboat you can cross the river of

difficulties faster than in normal course. in scorching heat of

summer you dont allow yourself to stand on the road and leave

yourself for karma. either go for cover under the shadow of a tree

and halt, carry an umbrella and still march ahead or run a cycle,

scooter or car based on your capacity.

 

simply put, your future is in your hands. you can do and undo

things. an expert astrologer can guide you with which remedy how

soon you can change the karma. astrology and karmic theory are

inexplicably intertwined which is why the expectations of an

astrologer are increasing in changing the destiny of the natives.

 

with best wishes

arjun

 

 

 

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear nalini ji,

> Very genuinely you have conveyed your views and this will

certainly be mind boggling:

> Predestined karma is what makes and

> breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts?

> On one hand it is the factor of" time".On the other hand our

feeble mind that wants many things.How do we really interlink and

how do we convert wishes into fulfilment and how the time

cooperates.other way as i have to put it how well we comprehend HERE

to think of THERE.it is certainly battle of nerves.

> For me the essence of ASTROLOGY is:how do we bring in balance

between:

> DHARMA,ARDHA.KAMA &MOKSHA

> when we can really maintain an equation there is nothing like

predetined till we find meaning for MOKSHA.Astrology truely

envisages that we get the results for what we Do.

> If do is DHARMA and then GET is ARDHA.Then the question is what

is KAMA.For a moment if we imply wish/desire as for KAMA is it

bad.The answer is certainly NO.But if we spiral into all wishes and

desires,certainly it is not GOOD.Then we need to look some where

MOKSHA.Is it not we attain through DHARMA.Thus the begining is end

and end is beginings,This what is essence of TRIPOD relation between

FIRST,FIFTH &NINTH house.

> if Iam missing the track some where my colleagues will help you

and me answer in a better way

> krishnan

> auromirra19 <nalini2818 wrote:

> POojya RRji, Krishnanji and Rishiji,

> Please permit me to add something. All the five steps take a lot

of

> conviction and self will to execute, but would they be of any

avail

> if there is no sixth step, Divine Will/Grace?

> I have always prided myself of always defining my goals(one at

atime)

> and go about them with utmost sincerity and enthusiasm, and have

> managed to get only some of them achieved.Some did not even merit

a

> headstart? When the input was equal the end result varied so

> drastically.Can we conclude that ultimately it is the Almighty

that

> decides the result, or is it that even the Grace is tardy in

arrving

> when u run one of your dashas? As it was true in my case when all

> through the four years of acute suffering no tangible help was

> forthcoming. there is only now a glimmer of light that too at the

> far end.How can we explain this? Predestined karma is what makes

and

> breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts? please enlighten

me.

> Thanks and regards

> Nalini

>

>

>

> , rishi shukla

> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> >

> > RRji,

> > And factually relating, astrology is directly related

> > to human behavior and its quirks.

> > I concur fully with what you have said, but

> > allow me to grumble...

> > "Step one: Define hope

> > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > 'here'

> > Step four: Define 'here'

> >

> > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > step four!

> >

> > Step five: Do it"

> >

> > If one was able to do all of it, then one would not

> > seek or need divination of any form.

> > Then,its but human nature that one seeks short cuts.

> > Ordinary mortals, afterall. Even knowledge that

> > confirms that there are minimal chances of a sudden

> > surge of awareness does not bely hope.

> >

> > regards

> >

> > Rishi

> >

> >

> > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Shri Rohini Ji,

> > > It is since long to see you make a right note.I

> > > only make addition as Astrology is an understandable

> > > communication(not a gesture!)

> > > True it's Value and the additions that the subject

> > > makes to humanity makes it devine too.So your steps:

> > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > 'here'

> > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > >

> > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > step four!

> > >

> > > Step five: Do it"

> > > All can be implemented only with faith and belief

> > > and ofcourse certainly sincerity of purpose.

> > > I do not really mind to exploit Psychocology to

> > > convince and amke the subject understandable to one

> > > and all to solve life imposed riddles.Be it sanskara

> > > or be it eat to live.

> > > Let's hope millions(both haves and have nots) do

> > > look at the vastness world only to explore in his

> > > own way and comprehend to make living a positive

> > > approach

> > > otherwise Iam afraid:"it is not a mistake that

> > > step three comes before step four!"we will not be

> > > there as here is too complicated to define

> > > regards

> > > krishnan

> > >

> > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > The more I see, my two cents for what they are

> > > worth, effective

> > > astrology boils down to communication. Both the

> > > astrologer and the

> > > nativity must make an effort to communicate and to

> > > be good at it.

> > >

> > > This cannot be done in a one shot, manner that most

> > > of us web-

> > > dwellers have gotten used to.

> > >

> > > Hence the dissatisfaction, the frustrations and

> > > fights that prevail.

> > >

> > > It has an eerie resemblance to

> > > psychoanalysis/psychotherapy.

> > >

> > > Interestingly, at least in the western scene of

> > > things, a lot of

> > > psychologists (amateur and otherwise) got attracted

> > > to astrology and

> > > actually made a lot of progress for themselves and

> > > for their craft.

> > >

> > > The "tell me now, without mincing words and move on"

> > > mentality that

> > > we see from time to time, is more suited to

> > > situations where

> > > information and knowledge received more *directly*

> > > than astrology

> > > was ever intended to deliver is perhpas sought -- in

> > > the wrong forum

> > > perhaps!

> > >

> > > Like much of worldly reality, unless I am sadly

> > > mistaken as some may

> > > believe or insist <!>, astrology is not about

> > > magical revelations

> > > and deliverances that happen overnight, remedially

> > > speaking or

> > > astrologically for that matter.

> > >

> > > All of us are looking for that magical panacea that

> > > would transform

> > > our current state of misery into beautitude, bliss

> > > and instant self-

> > > realization! Just look at the size of world's

> > > population and count

> > > the really self-realized ones over the centuries

> > > that most of us

> > > feel were truly REALIZED. Do the math!

> > >

> > > Does that mean that there is no hope for the rest of

> > > us billions and

> > > billions?

> > >

> > > Step one: Define hope

> > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > 'here'

> > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > >

> > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > step four!

> > >

> > > Step five: Do it!!

> > >

> > > Peace and Love!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > >

> > >

> > >

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-Krishnan ji,

As you rightly pointed out the human being is enmeshed in the quest

for dharma ardha kama mokhsa( not necessarily in that order).It is

for him to come out of the mire. In my humble view( I donot profess

to have any knowledge of it)astrology explains what was in store for

for us, again,predetermined and according to our past karmas, and as

Arjun ji so beautifully conveyed, it is human will but is it "free

will" that seeks help. and I feel itis the bhagya of the native if

he/she receives the much sought after help in time. Now that bhagya,

is that also the purva punya? If not what is it?Though we are all

supposedly free to seek help and solace it is only that we get it

only when it is to arrive and not before? As Arjunji, has perfectly

described, standing in the scorching sun instead of seeking the

shelter of a tree through any means of conveyance, but when does

that happen the frame of time he has to suffer. I am extremely sorry

if I cut a personal angle, but I have been in that state, crippled

and in the scorching sun, no shade and no help in sight, I could

not run,it was long before Mother came to me and soothed me, that to

in the form of Guruji, who suggested me to turn to Her and Her

alone, recite the Durga sapthasati. Now that period of time I was in

the scorching sun was four years and how I suffered, but I am not

sorry as it has made me a better person.. That I was alive is only

the faith in Her that she will never forsake me. Astrology, within

the four years or rather end of four years( I developed a deep

interest in it)made me realise what I was meant to be. I was mad and

words cant describe the degree of madness, after my career. I had to

forsake it. I relocated to a foreign land, I gave up all my clothes(

one materialistic streak in me was my passion for clothes) and

retained only a minimum for use. I gave away almost all my material

posessions.I came here to find myself and start my life again from a

scratch, no servants no help. I realised that this was meant to

point out to me that whatever I had forsaken was of no real value.

I now fully understand the so called malefics have infact been

teaching me a karmic lesson in renuciation and evolution and I have

been complaining. It was then I decided to turn inward and that was

when I received help.But within the fabric of life and family

renunciation in total is the end of it. So the Ardha , kama still

continue to hold fort. But the basic signature of my chart has

taught me not overtly focus on the mundane, duty with purpose and

detachment. It has not been very difficult for me as I have always

found looking at myself from outside of any relationship, as a wife,

mother, daughter, sibling.

Pardon me for any thing which may have hurt anyone in the esteemed

list which was not intended.

 

Regards

Nalini

 

-- In , vattem krishnan

<bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear nalini ji,

> Very genuinely you have conveyed your views and this will

certainly be mind boggling:

> Predestined karma is what makes and

> breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts?

> On one hand it is the factor of" time".On the other hand our

feeble mind that wants many things.How do we really interlink and

how do we convert wishes into fulfilment and how the time

cooperates.other way as i have to put it how well we comprehend HERE

to think of THERE.it is certainly battle of nerves.

> For me the essence of ASTROLOGY is:how do we bring in balance

between:

> DHARMA,ARDHA.KAMA &MOKSHA

> when we can really maintain an equation there is nothing like

predetined till we find meaning for MOKSHA.Astrology truely

envisages that we get the results for what we Do.

> If do is DHARMA and then GET is ARDHA.Then the question is what

is KAMA.For a moment if we imply wish/desire as for KAMA is it

bad.The answer is certainly NO.But if we spiral into all wishes and

desires,certainly it is not GOOD.Then we need to look some where

MOKSHA.Is it not we attain through DHARMA.Thus the begining is end

and end is beginings,This what is essence of TRIPOD relation between

FIRST,FIFTH &NINTH house.

> if Iam missing the track some where my colleagues will help you

and me answer in a better way

> krishnan

> auromirra19 <nalini2818 wrote:

> POojya RRji, Krishnanji and Rishiji,

> Please permit me to add something. All the five steps take a lot

of

> conviction and self will to execute, but would they be of any

avail

> if there is no sixth step, Divine Will/Grace?

> I have always prided myself of always defining my goals(one at

atime)

> and go about them with utmost sincerity and enthusiasm, and have

> managed to get only some of them achieved.Some did not even merit

a

> headstart? When the input was equal the end result varied so

> drastically.Can we conclude that ultimately it is the Almighty

that

> decides the result, or is it that even the Grace is tardy in

arrving

> when u run one of your dashas? As it was true in my case when all

> through the four years of acute suffering no tangible help was

> forthcoming. there is only now a glimmer of light that too at the

> far end.How can we explain this? Predestined karma is what makes

and

> breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts? please enlighten

me.

> Thanks and regards

> Nalini

>

>

>

> , rishi shukla

> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> >

> > RRji,

> > And factually relating, astrology is directly related

> > to human behavior and its quirks.

> > I concur fully with what you have said, but

> > allow me to grumble...

> > "Step one: Define hope

> > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > 'here'

> > Step four: Define 'here'

> >

> > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > step four!

> >

> > Step five: Do it"

> >

> > If one was able to do all of it, then one would not

> > seek or need divination of any form.

> > Then,its but human nature that one seeks short cuts.

> > Ordinary mortals, afterall. Even knowledge that

> > confirms that there are minimal chances of a sudden

> > surge of awareness does not bely hope.

> >

> > regards

> >

> > Rishi

> >

> >

> > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Shri Rohini Ji,

> > > It is since long to see you make a right note.I

> > > only make addition as Astrology is an understandable

> > > communication(not a gesture!)

> > > True it's Value and the additions that the subject

> > > makes to humanity makes it devine too.So your steps:

> > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > 'here'

> > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > >

> > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > step four!

> > >

> > > Step five: Do it"

> > > All can be implemented only with faith and belief

> > > and ofcourse certainly sincerity of purpose.

> > > I do not really mind to exploit Psychocology to

> > > convince and amke the subject understandable to one

> > > and all to solve life imposed riddles.Be it sanskara

> > > or be it eat to live.

> > > Let's hope millions(both haves and have nots) do

> > > look at the vastness world only to explore in his

> > > own way and comprehend to make living a positive

> > > approach

> > > otherwise Iam afraid:"it is not a mistake that

> > > step three comes before step four!"we will not be

> > > there as here is too complicated to define

> > > regards

> > > krishnan

> > >

> > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > The more I see, my two cents for what they are

> > > worth, effective

> > > astrology boils down to communication. Both the

> > > astrologer and the

> > > nativity must make an effort to communicate and to

> > > be good at it.

> > >

> > > This cannot be done in a one shot, manner that most

> > > of us web-

> > > dwellers have gotten used to.

> > >

> > > Hence the dissatisfaction, the frustrations and

> > > fights that prevail.

> > >

> > > It has an eerie resemblance to

> > > psychoanalysis/psychotherapy.

> > >

> > > Interestingly, at least in the western scene of

> > > things, a lot of

> > > psychologists (amateur and otherwise) got attracted

> > > to astrology and

> > > actually made a lot of progress for themselves and

> > > for their craft.

> > >

> > > The "tell me now, without mincing words and move on"

> > > mentality that

> > > we see from time to time, is more suited to

> > > situations where

> > > information and knowledge received more *directly*

> > > than astrology

> > > was ever intended to deliver is perhpas sought -- in

> > > the wrong forum

> > > perhaps!

> > >

> > > Like much of worldly reality, unless I am sadly

> > > mistaken as some may

> > > believe or insist <!>, astrology is not about

> > > magical revelations

> > > and deliverances that happen overnight, remedially

> > > speaking or

> > > astrologically for that matter.

> > >

> > > All of us are looking for that magical panacea that

> > > would transform

> > > our current state of misery into beautitude, bliss

> > > and instant self-

> > > realization! Just look at the size of world's

> > > population and count

> > > the really self-realized ones over the centuries

> > > that most of us

> > > feel were truly REALIZED. Do the math!

> > >

> > > Does that mean that there is no hope for the rest of

> > > us billions and

> > > billions?

> > >

> > > Step one: Define hope

> > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > 'here'

> > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > >

> > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > step four!

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> > > Step five: Do it!!

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Nalini ji,

 

Open gate,

sit down

turn ignition

look around

press clutch pedal

put car in first gear

drive

 

Those are steps

 

Divine Will/Grace is the petrol/gasoline. It cannot be a step

 

 

Rohini

 

 

, "auromirra19"

<nalini2818 wrote:

>

> POojya RRji, Krishnanji and Rishiji,

> Please permit me to add something. All the five steps take a lot

of

> conviction and self will to execute, but would they be of any

avail

> if there is no sixth step, Divine Will/Grace?

> I have always prided myself of always defining my goals(one at

atime)

> and go about them with utmost sincerity and enthusiasm, and have

> managed to get only some of them achieved.Some did not even merit

a

> headstart? When the input was equal the end result varied so

> drastically.Can we conclude that ultimately it is the Almighty

that

> decides the result, or is it that even the Grace is tardy in

arrving

> when u run one of your dashas? As it was true in my case when all

> through the four years of acute suffering no tangible help was

> forthcoming. there is only now a glimmer of light that too at the

> far end.How can we explain this? Predestined karma is what makes

and

> breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts? please enlighten

me.

> Thanks and regards

> Nalini

>

>

>

> , rishi shukla

> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> >

> > RRji,

> > And factually relating, astrology is directly related

> > to human behavior and its quirks.

> > I concur fully with what you have said, but

> > allow me to grumble...

> > "Step one: Define hope

> > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > 'here'

> > Step four: Define 'here'

> >

> > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > step four!

> >

> > Step five: Do it"

> >

> > If one was able to do all of it, then one would not

> > seek or need divination of any form.

> > Then,its but human nature that one seeks short cuts.

> > Ordinary mortals, afterall. Even knowledge that

> > confirms that there are minimal chances of a sudden

> > surge of awareness does not bely hope.

> >

> > regards

> >

> > Rishi

> >

> >

> > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Shri Rohini Ji,

> > > It is since long to see you make a right note.I

> > > only make addition as Astrology is an understandable

> > > communication(not a gesture!)

> > > True it's Value and the additions that the subject

> > > makes to humanity makes it devine too.So your steps:

> > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > 'here'

> > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > >

> > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > step four!

> > >

> > > Step five: Do it"

> > > All can be implemented only with faith and belief

> > > and ofcourse certainly sincerity of purpose.

> > > I do not really mind to exploit Psychocology to

> > > convince and amke the subject understandable to one

> > > and all to solve life imposed riddles.Be it sanskara

> > > or be it eat to live.

> > > Let's hope millions(both haves and have nots) do

> > > look at the vastness world only to explore in his

> > > own way and comprehend to make living a positive

> > > approach

> > > otherwise Iam afraid:"it is not a mistake that

> > > step three comes before step four!"we will not be

> > > there as here is too complicated to define

> > > regards

> > > krishnan

> > >

> > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > The more I see, my two cents for what they are

> > > worth, effective

> > > astrology boils down to communication. Both the

> > > astrologer and the

> > > nativity must make an effort to communicate and to

> > > be good at it.

> > >

> > > This cannot be done in a one shot, manner that most

> > > of us web-

> > > dwellers have gotten used to.

> > >

> > > Hence the dissatisfaction, the frustrations and

> > > fights that prevail.

> > >

> > > It has an eerie resemblance to

> > > psychoanalysis/psychotherapy.

> > >

> > > Interestingly, at least in the western scene of

> > > things, a lot of

> > > psychologists (amateur and otherwise) got attracted

> > > to astrology and

> > > actually made a lot of progress for themselves and

> > > for their craft.

> > >

> > > The "tell me now, without mincing words and move on"

> > > mentality that

> > > we see from time to time, is more suited to

> > > situations where

> > > information and knowledge received more *directly*

> > > than astrology

> > > was ever intended to deliver is perhpas sought -- in

> > > the wrong forum

> > > perhaps!

> > >

> > > Like much of worldly reality, unless I am sadly

> > > mistaken as some may

> > > believe or insist <!>, astrology is not about

> > > magical revelations

> > > and deliverances that happen overnight, remedially

> > > speaking or

> > > astrologically for that matter.

> > >

> > > All of us are looking for that magical panacea that

> > > would transform

> > > our current state of misery into beautitude, bliss

> > > and instant self-

> > > realization! Just look at the size of world's

> > > population and count

> > > the really self-realized ones over the centuries

> > > that most of us

> > > feel were truly REALIZED. Do the math!

> > >

> > > Does that mean that there is no hope for the rest of

> > > us billions and

> > > billions?

> > >

> > > Step one: Define hope

> > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > 'here'

> > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > >

> > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > step four!

> > >

> > > Step five: Do it!!

> > >

> > > Peace and Love!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> dear krishnan garu

>

> well said. but i wish to answer ms. nalini's question in a more

> elaborate manner.

>

> in realistic terms, pre-destined karma cannot make or break a

> person. we have already discussed this in various threads earlier

> but we can redicuss the same. the birth chart is the audited

karmic

> statement of account as on the date of birth of the native based

on

> the karmas the native did in the previous births. till 15 years

the

> child is a puppet in the strings of the planets (pre-destined

karma)

> and has no strength or power to change it. due to advanced hybrid

> modern generation, the child's ability to change karma has been

> reduced to 12 now and is fast dropping to 8 soon. astrology helps

> the native in understanding whether the native inherits debts or

> assets so that future can be planned accordingly.

>

> having said this, if you do not do any karma at all, it is like

> allowing yourself float or drown for crossing a river. with your

> efforts you can swim with your bare hands. with some remedial

> measures like airtube, boat or motorboat you can cross the river

of

> difficulties faster than in normal course. in scorching heat of

> summer you dont allow yourself to stand on the road and leave

> yourself for karma. either go for cover under the shadow of a

tree

> and halt, carry an umbrella and still march ahead or run a cycle,

> scooter or car based on your capacity.

>

> simply put, your future is in your hands. you can do and undo

> things. an expert astrologer can guide you with which remedy how

> soon you can change the karma. astrology and karmic theory are

> inexplicably intertwined which is why the expectations of an

> astrologer are increasing in changing the destiny of the natives.

>

> with best wishes

> arjun

>

>

>

> , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear nalini ji,

> > Very genuinely you have conveyed your views and this will

> certainly be mind boggling:

> > Predestined karma is what makes and

> > breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts?

> > On one hand it is the factor of" time".On the other hand our

> feeble mind that wants many things.How do we really interlink and

> how do we convert wishes into fulfilment and how the time

> cooperates.other way as i have to put it how well we comprehend

HERE

> to think of THERE.it is certainly battle of nerves.

> > For me the essence of ASTROLOGY is:how do we bring in balance

> between:

> > DHARMA,ARDHA.KAMA &MOKSHA

> > when we can really maintain an equation there is nothing like

> predetined till we find meaning for MOKSHA.Astrology truely

> envisages that we get the results for what we Do.

> > If do is DHARMA and then GET is ARDHA.Then the question is

what

> is KAMA.For a moment if we imply wish/desire as for KAMA is it

> bad.The answer is certainly NO.But if we spiral into all wishes

and

> desires,certainly it is not GOOD.Then we need to look some where

> MOKSHA.Is it not we attain through DHARMA.Thus the begining is end

> and end is beginings,This what is essence of TRIPOD relation

between

> FIRST,FIFTH &NINTH house.

> > if Iam missing the track some where my colleagues will help

you

> and me answer in a better way

> > krishnan

> > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > POojya RRji, Krishnanji and Rishiji,

> > Please permit me to add something. All the five steps take a lot

> of

> > conviction and self will to execute, but would they be of any

> avail

> > if there is no sixth step, Divine Will/Grace?

> > I have always prided myself of always defining my goals(one at

> atime)

> > and go about them with utmost sincerity and enthusiasm, and have

> > managed to get only some of them achieved.Some did not even

merit

> a

> > headstart? When the input was equal the end result varied so

> > drastically.Can we conclude that ultimately it is the Almighty

> that

> > decides the result, or is it that even the Grace is tardy in

> arrving

> > when u run one of your dashas? As it was true in my case when

all

> > through the four years of acute suffering no tangible help was

> > forthcoming. there is only now a glimmer of light that too at

the

> > far end.How can we explain this? Predestined karma is what makes

> and

> > breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts? please enlighten

> me.

> > Thanks and regards

> > Nalini

> >

> >

> >

> > , rishi shukla

> > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > >

> > > RRji,

> > > And factually relating, astrology is directly related

> > > to human behavior and its quirks.

> > > I concur fully with what you have said, but

> > > allow me to grumble...

> > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > 'here'

> > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > >

> > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > step four!

> > >

> > > Step five: Do it"

> > >

> > > If one was able to do all of it, then one would not

> > > seek or need divination of any form.

> > > Then,its but human nature that one seeks short cuts.

> > > Ordinary mortals, afterall. Even knowledge that

> > > confirms that there are minimal chances of a sudden

> > > surge of awareness does not bely hope.

> > >

> > > regards

> > >

> > > Rishi

> > >

> > >

> > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Shri Rohini Ji,

> > > > It is since long to see you make a right note.I

> > > > only make addition as Astrology is an understandable

> > > > communication(not a gesture!)

> > > > True it's Value and the additions that the subject

> > > > makes to humanity makes it devine too.So your steps:

> > > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > 'here'

> > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > >

> > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > step four!

> > > >

> > > > Step five: Do it"

> > > > All can be implemented only with faith and belief

> > > > and ofcourse certainly sincerity of purpose.

> > > > I do not really mind to exploit Psychocology to

> > > > convince and amke the subject understandable to one

> > > > and all to solve life imposed riddles.Be it sanskara

> > > > or be it eat to live.

> > > > Let's hope millions(both haves and have nots) do

> > > > look at the vastness world only to explore in his

> > > > own way and comprehend to make living a positive

> > > > approach

> > > > otherwise Iam afraid:"it is not a mistake that

> > > > step three comes before step four!"we will not be

> > > > there as here is too complicated to define

> > > > regards

> > > > krishnan

> > > >

> > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > The more I see, my two cents for what they are

> > > > worth, effective

> > > > astrology boils down to communication. Both the

> > > > astrologer and the

> > > > nativity must make an effort to communicate and to

> > > > be good at it.

> > > >

> > > > This cannot be done in a one shot, manner that most

> > > > of us web-

> > > > dwellers have gotten used to.

> > > >

> > > > Hence the dissatisfaction, the frustrations and

> > > > fights that prevail.

> > > >

> > > > It has an eerie resemblance to

> > > > psychoanalysis/psychotherapy.

> > > >

> > > > Interestingly, at least in the western scene of

> > > > things, a lot of

> > > > psychologists (amateur and otherwise) got attracted

> > > > to astrology and

> > > > actually made a lot of progress for themselves and

> > > > for their craft.

> > > >

> > > > The "tell me now, without mincing words and move on"

> > > > mentality that

> > > > we see from time to time, is more suited to

> > > > situations where

> > > > information and knowledge received more *directly*

> > > > than astrology

> > > > was ever intended to deliver is perhpas sought -- in

> > > > the wrong forum

> > > > perhaps!

> > > >

> > > > Like much of worldly reality, unless I am sadly

> > > > mistaken as some may

> > > > believe or insist <!>, astrology is not about

> > > > magical revelations

> > > > and deliverances that happen overnight, remedially

> > > > speaking or

> > > > astrologically for that matter.

> > > >

> > > > All of us are looking for that magical panacea that

> > > > would transform

> > > > our current state of misery into beautitude, bliss

> > > > and instant self-

> > > > realization! Just look at the size of world's

> > > > population and count

> > > > the really self-realized ones over the centuries

> > > > that most of us

> > > > feel were truly REALIZED. Do the math!

> > > >

> > > > Does that mean that there is no hope for the rest of

> > > > us billions and

> > > > billions?

> > > >

> > > > Step one: Define hope

> > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > 'here'

> > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > >

> > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > step four!

> > > >

> > > > Step five: Do it!!

> > > >

> > > > Peace and Love!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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> > > >

> > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

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Poojya Rohiniji,

 

Absolutely Fantastic!! I am spell bound.As usual I have in my long

winding way done it, yes it is true, How can Divine grace be a step,

it is a life line. Truly amazing, but then I have always been a

lousy driver, no wonder met with somany accidents and frequently

must have forgotten to fill up, and in a hurry got into the top gear

before going through the gamut. Thanks a lot, that is what I am

doing now , unlearnt what I have and started learning afresh and it

is so revealing. I have now started learning literally, HUman

Resources Management at 46 years, and also at life's school which is

teaching me lessons in humility, tolerance patience and what not.

God there is so much to learn, and I wish to cram as much as

possible within this lifetime. As Mother rightly said, the day you

feel you have done enough and learnt enough, that is the day you

start growing old. Now I realise, why I have never been able to be

satisfied/happy with what I had materially, in my career and always

hankered after that elusive something.I always wondered when I heard

happy laughter ring out how could people be so happy? What I am

after is something which is substantial in not being so and all I

have gone through is but a way of reaching it.As usual you have,sir,

in your inimitable analytical, with deep insight, succinctly

conevyed the meaning.

Regards

nalini

 

 

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb

wrote:

>

> Nalini ji,

>

> Open gate,

> sit down

> turn ignition

> look around

> press clutch pedal

> put car in first gear

> drive

>

> Those are steps

>

> Divine Will/Grace is the petrol/gasoline. It cannot be a step

>

>

> Rohini

>

>

> , "auromirra19"

> <nalini2818@> wrote:

> >

> > POojya RRji, Krishnanji and Rishiji,

> > Please permit me to add something. All the five steps take a lot

> of

> > conviction and self will to execute, but would they be of any

> avail

> > if there is no sixth step, Divine Will/Grace?

> > I have always prided myself of always defining my goals(one at

> atime)

> > and go about them with utmost sincerity and enthusiasm, and have

> > managed to get only some of them achieved.Some did not even

merit

> a

> > headstart? When the input was equal the end result varied so

> > drastically.Can we conclude that ultimately it is the Almighty

> that

> > decides the result, or is it that even the Grace is tardy in

> arrving

> > when u run one of your dashas? As it was true in my case when

all

> > through the four years of acute suffering no tangible help was

> > forthcoming. there is only now a glimmer of light that too at

the

> > far end.How can we explain this? Predestined karma is what makes

> and

> > breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts? please enlighten

> me.

> > Thanks and regards

> > Nalini

> >

> >

> >

> > , rishi shukla

> > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > >

> > > RRji,

> > > And factually relating, astrology is directly related

> > > to human behavior and its quirks.

> > > I concur fully with what you have said, but

> > > allow me to grumble...

> > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > 'here'

> > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > >

> > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > step four!

> > >

> > > Step five: Do it"

> > >

> > > If one was able to do all of it, then one would not

> > > seek or need divination of any form.

> > > Then,its but human nature that one seeks short cuts.

> > > Ordinary mortals, afterall. Even knowledge that

> > > confirms that there are minimal chances of a sudden

> > > surge of awareness does not bely hope.

> > >

> > > regards

> > >

> > > Rishi

> > >

> > >

> > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Shri Rohini Ji,

> > > > It is since long to see you make a right note.I

> > > > only make addition as Astrology is an understandable

> > > > communication(not a gesture!)

> > > > True it's Value and the additions that the subject

> > > > makes to humanity makes it devine too.So your steps:

> > > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > 'here'

> > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > >

> > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > step four!

> > > >

> > > > Step five: Do it"

> > > > All can be implemented only with faith and belief

> > > > and ofcourse certainly sincerity of purpose.

> > > > I do not really mind to exploit Psychocology to

> > > > convince and amke the subject understandable to one

> > > > and all to solve life imposed riddles.Be it sanskara

> > > > or be it eat to live.

> > > > Let's hope millions(both haves and have nots) do

> > > > look at the vastness world only to explore in his

> > > > own way and comprehend to make living a positive

> > > > approach

> > > > otherwise Iam afraid:"it is not a mistake that

> > > > step three comes before step four!"we will not be

> > > > there as here is too complicated to define

> > > > regards

> > > > krishnan

> > > >

> > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > The more I see, my two cents for what they are

> > > > worth, effective

> > > > astrology boils down to communication. Both the

> > > > astrologer and the

> > > > nativity must make an effort to communicate and to

> > > > be good at it.

> > > >

> > > > This cannot be done in a one shot, manner that most

> > > > of us web-

> > > > dwellers have gotten used to.

> > > >

> > > > Hence the dissatisfaction, the frustrations and

> > > > fights that prevail.

> > > >

> > > > It has an eerie resemblance to

> > > > psychoanalysis/psychotherapy.

> > > >

> > > > Interestingly, at least in the western scene of

> > > > things, a lot of

> > > > psychologists (amateur and otherwise) got attracted

> > > > to astrology and

> > > > actually made a lot of progress for themselves and

> > > > for their craft.

> > > >

> > > > The "tell me now, without mincing words and move on"

> > > > mentality that

> > > > we see from time to time, is more suited to

> > > > situations where

> > > > information and knowledge received more *directly*

> > > > than astrology

> > > > was ever intended to deliver is perhpas sought -- in

> > > > the wrong forum

> > > > perhaps!

> > > >

> > > > Like much of worldly reality, unless I am sadly

> > > > mistaken as some may

> > > > believe or insist <!>, astrology is not about

> > > > magical revelations

> > > > and deliverances that happen overnight, remedially

> > > > speaking or

> > > > astrologically for that matter.

> > > >

> > > > All of us are looking for that magical panacea that

> > > > would transform

> > > > our current state of misery into beautitude, bliss

> > > > and instant self-

> > > > realization! Just look at the size of world's

> > > > population and count

> > > > the really self-realized ones over the centuries

> > > > that most of us

> > > > feel were truly REALIZED. Do the math!

> > > >

> > > > Does that mean that there is no hope for the rest of

> > > > us billions and

> > > > billions?

> > > >

> > > > Step one: Define hope

> > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > 'here'

> > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > >

> > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > step four!

> > > >

> > > > Step five: Do it!!

> > > >

> > > > Peace and Love!

> > > >

> > > > RR

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> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > >

> > > >

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Learned Gurus,

 

How perfect, In each of your ways, RRji, Arjunji,Krishnanji all of

you have revealed to me the multifacets. Each a perfect bloom, so

beautiful and a perfect art form. Who said this forum lacks good

astrologers, it not only has extremely good astrologers but

sensitive human beings honed and tuned and possessing the good will

limited to people of their stature.

 

Thanks & Regards

Nalini

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb

wrote:

>

> beautifully said and in perfect syntax ;-P

>

>

> , "panditarjun2004"

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear krishnan garu

> >

> > well said. but i wish to answer ms. nalini's question in a more

> > elaborate manner.

> >

> > in realistic terms, pre-destined karma cannot make or break a

> > person. we have already discussed this in various threads

earlier

> > but we can redicuss the same. the birth chart is the audited

> karmic

> > statement of account as on the date of birth of the native based

> on

> > the karmas the native did in the previous births. till 15 years

> the

> > child is a puppet in the strings of the planets (pre-destined

> karma)

> > and has no strength or power to change it. due to advanced

hybrid

> > modern generation, the child's ability to change karma has been

> > reduced to 12 now and is fast dropping to 8 soon. astrology

helps

> > the native in understanding whether the native inherits debts or

> > assets so that future can be planned accordingly.

> >

> > having said this, if you do not do any karma at all, it is like

> > allowing yourself float or drown for crossing a river. with

your

> > efforts you can swim with your bare hands. with some remedial

> > measures like airtube, boat or motorboat you can cross the river

> of

> > difficulties faster than in normal course. in scorching heat of

> > summer you dont allow yourself to stand on the road and leave

> > yourself for karma. either go for cover under the shadow of a

> tree

> > and halt, carry an umbrella and still march ahead or run a

cycle,

> > scooter or car based on your capacity.

> >

> > simply put, your future is in your hands. you can do and undo

> > things. an expert astrologer can guide you with which remedy

how

> > soon you can change the karma. astrology and karmic theory are

> > inexplicably intertwined which is why the expectations of an

> > astrologer are increasing in changing the destiny of the natives.

> >

> > with best wishes

> > arjun

> >

> >

> >

> > , vattem krishnan

> > <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear nalini ji,

> > > Very genuinely you have conveyed your views and this will

> > certainly be mind boggling:

> > > Predestined karma is what makes and

> > > breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts?

> > > On one hand it is the factor of" time".On the other hand our

> > feeble mind that wants many things.How do we really interlink

and

> > how do we convert wishes into fulfilment and how the time

> > cooperates.other way as i have to put it how well we comprehend

> HERE

> > to think of THERE.it is certainly battle of nerves.

> > > For me the essence of ASTROLOGY is:how do we bring in

balance

> > between:

> > > DHARMA,ARDHA.KAMA &MOKSHA

> > > when we can really maintain an equation there is nothing

like

> > predetined till we find meaning for MOKSHA.Astrology truely

> > envisages that we get the results for what we Do.

> > > If do is DHARMA and then GET is ARDHA.Then the question is

> what

> > is KAMA.For a moment if we imply wish/desire as for KAMA is it

> > bad.The answer is certainly NO.But if we spiral into all wishes

> and

> > desires,certainly it is not GOOD.Then we need to look some where

> > MOKSHA.Is it not we attain through DHARMA.Thus the begining is

end

> > and end is beginings,This what is essence of TRIPOD relation

> between

> > FIRST,FIFTH &NINTH house.

> > > if Iam missing the track some where my colleagues will help

> you

> > and me answer in a better way

> > > krishnan

> > > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > POojya RRji, Krishnanji and Rishiji,

> > > Please permit me to add something. All the five steps take a

lot

> > of

> > > conviction and self will to execute, but would they be of any

> > avail

> > > if there is no sixth step, Divine Will/Grace?

> > > I have always prided myself of always defining my goals(one at

> > atime)

> > > and go about them with utmost sincerity and enthusiasm, and

have

> > > managed to get only some of them achieved.Some did not even

> merit

> > a

> > > headstart? When the input was equal the end result varied so

> > > drastically.Can we conclude that ultimately it is the Almighty

> > that

> > > decides the result, or is it that even the Grace is tardy in

> > arrving

> > > when u run one of your dashas? As it was true in my case when

> all

> > > through the four years of acute suffering no tangible help was

> > > forthcoming. there is only now a glimmer of light that too at

> the

> > > far end.How can we explain this? Predestined karma is what

makes

> > and

> > > breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts? please

enlighten

> > me.

> > > Thanks and regards

> > > Nalini

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , rishi shukla

> > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > RRji,

> > > > And factually relating, astrology is directly related

> > > > to human behavior and its quirks.

> > > > I concur fully with what you have said, but

> > > > allow me to grumble...

> > > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > 'here'

> > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > >

> > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > step four!

> > > >

> > > > Step five: Do it"

> > > >

> > > > If one was able to do all of it, then one would not

> > > > seek or need divination of any form.

> > > > Then,its but human nature that one seeks short cuts.

> > > > Ordinary mortals, afterall. Even knowledge that

> > > > confirms that there are minimal chances of a sudden

> > > > surge of awareness does not bely hope.

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > >

> > > > Rishi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Ji,

> > > > > It is since long to see you make a right note.I

> > > > > only make addition as Astrology is an understandable

> > > > > communication(not a gesture!)

> > > > > True it's Value and the additions that the subject

> > > > > makes to humanity makes it devine too.So your steps:

> > > > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > 'here'

> > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > step four!

> > > > >

> > > > > Step five: Do it"

> > > > > All can be implemented only with faith and belief

> > > > > and ofcourse certainly sincerity of purpose.

> > > > > I do not really mind to exploit Psychocology to

> > > > > convince and amke the subject understandable to one

> > > > > and all to solve life imposed riddles.Be it sanskara

> > > > > or be it eat to live.

> > > > > Let's hope millions(both haves and have nots) do

> > > > > look at the vastness world only to explore in his

> > > > > own way and comprehend to make living a positive

> > > > > approach

> > > > > otherwise Iam afraid:"it is not a mistake that

> > > > > step three comes before step four!"we will not be

> > > > > there as here is too complicated to define

> > > > > regards

> > > > > krishnan

> > > > >

> > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > > The more I see, my two cents for what they are

> > > > > worth, effective

> > > > > astrology boils down to communication. Both the

> > > > > astrologer and the

> > > > > nativity must make an effort to communicate and to

> > > > > be good at it.

> > > > >

> > > > > This cannot be done in a one shot, manner that most

> > > > > of us web-

> > > > > dwellers have gotten used to.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hence the dissatisfaction, the frustrations and

> > > > > fights that prevail.

> > > > >

> > > > > It has an eerie resemblance to

> > > > > psychoanalysis/psychotherapy.

> > > > >

> > > > > Interestingly, at least in the western scene of

> > > > > things, a lot of

> > > > > psychologists (amateur and otherwise) got attracted

> > > > > to astrology and

> > > > > actually made a lot of progress for themselves and

> > > > > for their craft.

> > > > >

> > > > > The "tell me now, without mincing words and move on"

> > > > > mentality that

> > > > > we see from time to time, is more suited to

> > > > > situations where

> > > > > information and knowledge received more *directly*

> > > > > than astrology

> > > > > was ever intended to deliver is perhpas sought -- in

> > > > > the wrong forum

> > > > > perhaps!

> > > > >

> > > > > Like much of worldly reality, unless I am sadly

> > > > > mistaken as some may

> > > > > believe or insist <!>, astrology is not about

> > > > > magical revelations

> > > > > and deliverances that happen overnight, remedially

> > > > > speaking or

> > > > > astrologically for that matter.

> > > > >

> > > > > All of us are looking for that magical panacea that

> > > > > would transform

> > > > > our current state of misery into beautitude, bliss

> > > > > and instant self-

> > > > > realization! Just look at the size of world's

> > > > > population and count

> > > > > the really self-realized ones over the centuries

> > > > > that most of us

> > > > > feel were truly REALIZED. Do the math!

> > > > >

> > > > > Does that mean that there is no hope for the rest of

> > > > > us billions and

> > > > > billions?

> > > > >

> > > > > Step one: Define hope

> > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > 'here'

> > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > step four!

> > > > >

> > > > > Step five: Do it!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Peace and Love!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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dear friend nalini

 

in gita lord krishna says that holy scriptures are meaningless for a

realised person. similarly malefics or cruel planets are

meaningless for a realised person. remedies are required only for

unrealised persons.

 

with best wishes

arjun

 

 

, "auromirra19"

<nalini2818 wrote:

>

> -Krishnan ji,

> As you rightly pointed out the human being is enmeshed in the

quest

> for dharma ardha kama mokhsa( not necessarily in that order).It is

> for him to come out of the mire. In my humble view( I donot

profess

> to have any knowledge of it)astrology explains what was in store

for

> for us, again,predetermined and according to our past karmas, and

as

> Arjun ji so beautifully conveyed, it is human will but is it "free

> will" that seeks help. and I feel itis the bhagya of the native if

> he/she receives the much sought after help in time. Now that

bhagya,

> is that also the purva punya? If not what is it?Though we are all

> supposedly free to seek help and solace it is only that we get it

> only when it is to arrive and not before? As Arjunji, has

perfectly

> described, standing in the scorching sun instead of seeking the

> shelter of a tree through any means of conveyance, but when does

> that happen the frame of time he has to suffer. I am extremely

sorry

> if I cut a personal angle, but I have been in that state, crippled

> and in the scorching sun, no shade and no help in sight, I could

> not run,it was long before Mother came to me and soothed me, that

to

> in the form of Guruji, who suggested me to turn to Her and Her

> alone, recite the Durga sapthasati. Now that period of time I was

in

> the scorching sun was four years and how I suffered, but I am not

> sorry as it has made me a better person.. That I was alive is only

> the faith in Her that she will never forsake me. Astrology, within

> the four years or rather end of four years( I developed a deep

> interest in it)made me realise what I was meant to be. I was mad

and

> words cant describe the degree of madness, after my career. I had

to

> forsake it. I relocated to a foreign land, I gave up all my clothes

(

> one materialistic streak in me was my passion for clothes) and

> retained only a minimum for use. I gave away almost all my

material

> posessions.I came here to find myself and start my life again from

a

> scratch, no servants no help. I realised that this was meant to

> point out to me that whatever I had forsaken was of no real

value.

> I now fully understand the so called malefics have infact been

> teaching me a karmic lesson in renuciation and evolution and I

have

> been complaining. It was then I decided to turn inward and that

was

> when I received help.But within the fabric of life and family

> renunciation in total is the end of it. So the Ardha , kama still

> continue to hold fort. But the basic signature of my chart has

> taught me not overtly focus on the mundane, duty with purpose and

> detachment. It has not been very difficult for me as I have always

> found looking at myself from outside of any relationship, as a

wife,

> mother, daughter, sibling.

> Pardon me for any thing which may have hurt anyone in the esteemed

> list which was not intended.

>

> Regards

> Nalini

>

> -- In , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear nalini ji,

> > Very genuinely you have conveyed your views and this will

> certainly be mind boggling:

> > Predestined karma is what makes and

> > breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts?

> > On one hand it is the factor of" time".On the other hand our

> feeble mind that wants many things.How do we really interlink and

> how do we convert wishes into fulfilment and how the time

> cooperates.other way as i have to put it how well we comprehend

HERE

> to think of THERE.it is certainly battle of nerves.

> > For me the essence of ASTROLOGY is:how do we bring in balance

> between:

> > DHARMA,ARDHA.KAMA &MOKSHA

> > when we can really maintain an equation there is nothing like

> predetined till we find meaning for MOKSHA.Astrology truely

> envisages that we get the results for what we Do.

> > If do is DHARMA and then GET is ARDHA.Then the question is

what

> is KAMA.For a moment if we imply wish/desire as for KAMA is it

> bad.The answer is certainly NO.But if we spiral into all wishes

and

> desires,certainly it is not GOOD.Then we need to look some where

> MOKSHA.Is it not we attain through DHARMA.Thus the begining is end

> and end is beginings,This what is essence of TRIPOD relation

between

> FIRST,FIFTH &NINTH house.

> > if Iam missing the track some where my colleagues will help

you

> and me answer in a better way

> > krishnan

> > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > POojya RRji, Krishnanji and Rishiji,

> > Please permit me to add something. All the five steps take a lot

> of

> > conviction and self will to execute, but would they be of any

> avail

> > if there is no sixth step, Divine Will/Grace?

> > I have always prided myself of always defining my goals(one at

> atime)

> > and go about them with utmost sincerity and enthusiasm, and have

> > managed to get only some of them achieved.Some did not even

merit

> a

> > headstart? When the input was equal the end result varied so

> > drastically.Can we conclude that ultimately it is the Almighty

> that

> > decides the result, or is it that even the Grace is tardy in

> arrving

> > when u run one of your dashas? As it was true in my case when

all

> > through the four years of acute suffering no tangible help was

> > forthcoming. there is only now a glimmer of light that too at

the

> > far end.How can we explain this? Predestined karma is what makes

> and

> > breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts? please enlighten

> me.

> > Thanks and regards

> > Nalini

> >

> >

> >

> > , rishi shukla

> > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > >

> > > RRji,

> > > And factually relating, astrology is directly related

> > > to human behavior and its quirks.

> > > I concur fully with what you have said, but

> > > allow me to grumble...

> > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > 'here'

> > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > >

> > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > step four!

> > >

> > > Step five: Do it"

> > >

> > > If one was able to do all of it, then one would not

> > > seek or need divination of any form.

> > > Then,its but human nature that one seeks short cuts.

> > > Ordinary mortals, afterall. Even knowledge that

> > > confirms that there are minimal chances of a sudden

> > > surge of awareness does not bely hope.

> > >

> > > regards

> > >

> > > Rishi

> > >

> > >

> > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Shri Rohini Ji,

> > > > It is since long to see you make a right note.I

> > > > only make addition as Astrology is an understandable

> > > > communication(not a gesture!)

> > > > True it's Value and the additions that the subject

> > > > makes to humanity makes it devine too.So your steps:

> > > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > 'here'

> > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > >

> > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > step four!

> > > >

> > > > Step five: Do it"

> > > > All can be implemented only with faith and belief

> > > > and ofcourse certainly sincerity of purpose.

> > > > I do not really mind to exploit Psychocology to

> > > > convince and amke the subject understandable to one

> > > > and all to solve life imposed riddles.Be it sanskara

> > > > or be it eat to live.

> > > > Let's hope millions(both haves and have nots) do

> > > > look at the vastness world only to explore in his

> > > > own way and comprehend to make living a positive

> > > > approach

> > > > otherwise Iam afraid:"it is not a mistake that

> > > > step three comes before step four!"we will not be

> > > > there as here is too complicated to define

> > > > regards

> > > > krishnan

> > > >

> > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > The more I see, my two cents for what they are

> > > > worth, effective

> > > > astrology boils down to communication. Both the

> > > > astrologer and the

> > > > nativity must make an effort to communicate and to

> > > > be good at it.

> > > >

> > > > This cannot be done in a one shot, manner that most

> > > > of us web-

> > > > dwellers have gotten used to.

> > > >

> > > > Hence the dissatisfaction, the frustrations and

> > > > fights that prevail.

> > > >

> > > > It has an eerie resemblance to

> > > > psychoanalysis/psychotherapy.

> > > >

> > > > Interestingly, at least in the western scene of

> > > > things, a lot of

> > > > psychologists (amateur and otherwise) got attracted

> > > > to astrology and

> > > > actually made a lot of progress for themselves and

> > > > for their craft.

> > > >

> > > > The "tell me now, without mincing words and move on"

> > > > mentality that

> > > > we see from time to time, is more suited to

> > > > situations where

> > > > information and knowledge received more *directly*

> > > > than astrology

> > > > was ever intended to deliver is perhpas sought -- in

> > > > the wrong forum

> > > > perhaps!

> > > >

> > > > Like much of worldly reality, unless I am sadly

> > > > mistaken as some may

> > > > believe or insist <!>, astrology is not about

> > > > magical revelations

> > > > and deliverances that happen overnight, remedially

> > > > speaking or

> > > > astrologically for that matter.

> > > >

> > > > All of us are looking for that magical panacea that

> > > > would transform

> > > > our current state of misery into beautitude, bliss

> > > > and instant self-

> > > > realization! Just look at the size of world's

> > > > population and count

> > > > the really self-realized ones over the centuries

> > > > that most of us

> > > > feel were truly REALIZED. Do the math!

> > > >

> > > > Does that mean that there is no hope for the rest of

> > > > us billions and

> > > > billions?

> > > >

> > > > Step one: Define hope

> > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > 'here'

> > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > >

> > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > step four!

> > > >

> > > > Step five: Do it!!

> > > >

> > > > Peace and Love!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > >

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"Though we are all supposedly free to seek help and solace it is only that we

get it only when it is to arrive and not before?"

This is crux of the prolem and ultimate grouse and apathy of human being.After

all we t half true to Almighty.we salute and praise him when we have every thing

at our reach.otherwise,we are never reconciled.Also we feel at some point as

feeble and helpless as what we have been longing we think has never reached in

time.

so this is the struggles which is endless.so the cyclic nature of births and

deaths.ultimately consolation with grave mind we feel every thing is

predetermined and?beyond us?May be iam too small to simplify as I have some

faith in human effort if we are clear what we want we will be getting even if

delayed but never gets denied.Happy that way we are blessed.certainly jyotish is

indicative about the way and objectives

krishnan

 

panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:

dear friend nalini

 

in gita lord krishna says that holy scriptures are meaningless for a

realised person. similarly malefics or cruel planets are

meaningless for a realised person. remedies are required only for

unrealised persons.

 

with best wishes

arjun

 

 

, "auromirra19"

<nalini2818 wrote:

>

> -Krishnan ji,

> As you rightly pointed out the human being is enmeshed in the

quest

> for dharma ardha kama mokhsa( not necessarily in that order).It is

> for him to come out of the mire. In my humble view( I donot

profess

> to have any knowledge of it)astrology explains what was in store

for

> for us, again,predetermined and according to our past karmas, and

as

> Arjun ji so beautifully conveyed, it is human will but is it "free

> will" that seeks help. and I feel itis the bhagya of the native if

> he/she receives the much sought after help in time. Now that

bhagya,

> is that also the purva punya? If not what is it?Though we are all

> supposedly free to seek help and solace it is only that we get it

> only when it is to arrive and not before? As Arjunji, has

perfectly

> described, standing in the scorching sun instead of seeking the

> shelter of a tree through any means of conveyance, but when does

> that happen the frame of time he has to suffer. I am extremely

sorry

> if I cut a personal angle, but I have been in that state, crippled

> and in the scorching sun, no shade and no help in sight, I could

> not run,it was long before Mother came to me and soothed me, that

to

> in the form of Guruji, who suggested me to turn to Her and Her

> alone, recite the Durga sapthasati. Now that period of time I was

in

> the scorching sun was four years and how I suffered, but I am not

> sorry as it has made me a better person.. That I was alive is only

> the faith in Her that she will never forsake me. Astrology, within

> the four years or rather end of four years( I developed a deep

> interest in it)made me realise what I was meant to be. I was mad

and

> words cant describe the degree of madness, after my career. I had

to

> forsake it. I relocated to a foreign land, I gave up all my clothes

(

> one materialistic streak in me was my passion for clothes) and

> retained only a minimum for use. I gave away almost all my

material

> posessions.I came here to find myself and start my life again from

a

> scratch, no servants no help. I realised that this was meant to

> point out to me that whatever I had forsaken was of no real

value.

> I now fully understand the so called malefics have infact been

> teaching me a karmic lesson in renuciation and evolution and I

have

> been complaining. It was then I decided to turn inward and that

was

> when I received help.But within the fabric of life and family

> renunciation in total is the end of it. So the Ardha , kama still

> continue to hold fort. But the basic signature of my chart has

> taught me not overtly focus on the mundane, duty with purpose and

> detachment. It has not been very difficult for me as I have always

> found looking at myself from outside of any relationship, as a

wife,

> mother, daughter, sibling.

> Pardon me for any thing which may have hurt anyone in the esteemed

> list which was not intended.

>

> Regards

> Nalini

>

> -- In , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear nalini ji,

> > Very genuinely you have conveyed your views and this will

> certainly be mind boggling:

> > Predestined karma is what makes and

> > breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts?

> > On one hand it is the factor of" time".On the other hand our

> feeble mind that wants many things.How do we really interlink and

> how do we convert wishes into fulfilment and how the time

> cooperates.other way as i have to put it how well we comprehend

HERE

> to think of THERE.it is certainly battle of nerves.

> > For me the essence of ASTROLOGY is:how do we bring in balance

> between:

> > DHARMA,ARDHA.KAMA &MOKSHA

> > when we can really maintain an equation there is nothing like

> predetined till we find meaning for MOKSHA.Astrology truely

> envisages that we get the results for what we Do.

> > If do is DHARMA and then GET is ARDHA.Then the question is

what

> is KAMA.For a moment if we imply wish/desire as for KAMA is it

> bad.The answer is certainly NO.But if we spiral into all wishes

and

> desires,certainly it is not GOOD.Then we need to look some where

> MOKSHA.Is it not we attain through DHARMA.Thus the begining is end

> and end is beginings,This what is essence of TRIPOD relation

between

> FIRST,FIFTH &NINTH house.

> > if Iam missing the track some where my colleagues will help

you

> and me answer in a better way

> > krishnan

> > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > POojya RRji, Krishnanji and Rishiji,

> > Please permit me to add something. All the five steps take a lot

> of

> > conviction and self will to execute, but would they be of any

> avail

> > if there is no sixth step, Divine Will/Grace?

> > I have always prided myself of always defining my goals(one at

> atime)

> > and go about them with utmost sincerity and enthusiasm, and have

> > managed to get only some of them achieved.Some did not even

merit

> a

> > headstart? When the input was equal the end result varied so

> > drastically.Can we conclude that ultimately it is the Almighty

> that

> > decides the result, or is it that even the Grace is tardy in

> arrving

> > when u run one of your dashas? As it was true in my case when

all

> > through the four years of acute suffering no tangible help was

> > forthcoming. there is only now a glimmer of light that too at

the

> > far end.How can we explain this? Predestined karma is what makes

> and

> > breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts? please enlighten

> me.

> > Thanks and regards

> > Nalini

> >

> >

> >

> > , rishi shukla

> > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > >

> > > RRji,

> > > And factually relating, astrology is directly related

> > > to human behavior and its quirks.

> > > I concur fully with what you have said, but

> > > allow me to grumble...

> > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > 'here'

> > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > >

> > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > step four!

> > >

> > > Step five: Do it"

> > >

> > > If one was able to do all of it, then one would not

> > > seek or need divination of any form.

> > > Then,its but human nature that one seeks short cuts.

> > > Ordinary mortals, afterall. Even knowledge that

> > > confirms that there are minimal chances of a sudden

> > > surge of awareness does not bely hope.

> > >

> > > regards

> > >

> > > Rishi

> > >

> > >

> > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Shri Rohini Ji,

> > > > It is since long to see you make a right note.I

> > > > only make addition as Astrology is an understandable

> > > > communication(not a gesture!)

> > > > True it's Value and the additions that the subject

> > > > makes to humanity makes it devine too.So your steps:

> > > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > 'here'

> > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > >

> > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > step four!

> > > >

> > > > Step five: Do it"

> > > > All can be implemented only with faith and belief

> > > > and ofcourse certainly sincerity of purpose.

> > > > I do not really mind to exploit Psychocology to

> > > > convince and amke the subject understandable to one

> > > > and all to solve life imposed riddles.Be it sanskara

> > > > or be it eat to live.

> > > > Let's hope millions(both haves and have nots) do

> > > > look at the vastness world only to explore in his

> > > > own way and comprehend to make living a positive

> > > > approach

> > > > otherwise Iam afraid:"it is not a mistake that

> > > > step three comes before step four!"we will not be

> > > > there as here is too complicated to define

> > > > regards

> > > > krishnan

> > > >

> > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > The more I see, my two cents for what they are

> > > > worth, effective

> > > > astrology boils down to communication. Both the

> > > > astrologer and the

> > > > nativity must make an effort to communicate and to

> > > > be good at it.

> > > >

> > > > This cannot be done in a one shot, manner that most

> > > > of us web-

> > > > dwellers have gotten used to.

> > > >

> > > > Hence the dissatisfaction, the frustrations and

> > > > fights that prevail.

> > > >

> > > > It has an eerie resemblance to

> > > > psychoanalysis/psychotherapy.

> > > >

> > > > Interestingly, at least in the western scene of

> > > > things, a lot of

> > > > psychologists (amateur and otherwise) got attracted

> > > > to astrology and

> > > > actually made a lot of progress for themselves and

> > > > for their craft.

> > > >

> > > > The "tell me now, without mincing words and move on"

> > > > mentality that

> > > > we see from time to time, is more suited to

> > > > situations where

> > > > information and knowledge received more *directly*

> > > > than astrology

> > > > was ever intended to deliver is perhpas sought -- in

> > > > the wrong forum

> > > > perhaps!

> > > >

> > > > Like much of worldly reality, unless I am sadly

> > > > mistaken as some may

> > > > believe or insist <!>, astrology is not about

> > > > magical revelations

> > > > and deliverances that happen overnight, remedially

> > > > speaking or

> > > > astrologically for that matter.

> > > >

> > > > All of us are looking for that magical panacea that

> > > > would transform

> > > > our current state of misery into beautitude, bliss

> > > > and instant self-

> > > > realization! Just look at the size of world's

> > > > population and count

> > > > the really self-realized ones over the centuries

> > > > that most of us

> > > > feel were truly REALIZED. Do the math!

> > > >

> > > > Does that mean that there is no hope for the rest of

> > > > us billions and

> > > > billions?

> > > >

> > > > Step one: Define hope

> > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > 'here'

> > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > >

> > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > step four!

> > > >

> > > > Step five: Do it!!

> > > >

> > > > Peace and Love!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > >

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Dear Sir,

Let's not be cursing ourselves nor put a limit a limit by implying predestined

etc.get reay atleast:with your efforts you can swim with your bare hands.Let's

try and remedies for the native to get himself convinced how to tackle problems

alone or with the aid and advice of pandit or vidwan

Keep doing things and hope we get results as we seek

krishnan

 

rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

beautifully said and in perfect syntax ;-P

 

 

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<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear krishnan garu

>

> well said. but i wish to answer ms. nalini's question in a more

> elaborate manner.

>

> in realistic terms, pre-destined karma cannot make or break a

> person. we have already discussed this in various threads earlier

> but we can redicuss the same. the birth chart is the audited

karmic

> statement of account as on the date of birth of the native based

on

> the karmas the native did in the previous births. till 15 years

the

> child is a puppet in the strings of the planets (pre-destined

karma)

> and has no strength or power to change it. due to advanced hybrid

> modern generation, the child's ability to change karma has been

> reduced to 12 now and is fast dropping to 8 soon. astrology helps

> the native in understanding whether the native inherits debts or

> assets so that future can be planned accordingly.

>

> having said this, if you do not do any karma at all, it is like

> allowing yourself float or drown for crossing a river. with your

> efforts you can swim with your bare hands. with some remedial

> measures like airtube, boat or motorboat you can cross the river

of

> difficulties faster than in normal course. in scorching heat of

> summer you dont allow yourself to stand on the road and leave

> yourself for karma. either go for cover under the shadow of a

tree

> and halt, carry an umbrella and still march ahead or run a cycle,

> scooter or car based on your capacity.

>

> simply put, your future is in your hands. you can do and undo

> things. an expert astrologer can guide you with which remedy how

> soon you can change the karma. astrology and karmic theory are

> inexplicably intertwined which is why the expectations of an

> astrologer are increasing in changing the destiny of the natives.

>

> with best wishes

> arjun

>

>

>

> , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear nalini ji,

> > Very genuinely you have conveyed your views and this will

> certainly be mind boggling:

> > Predestined karma is what makes and

> > breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts?

> > On one hand it is the factor of" time".On the other hand our

> feeble mind that wants many things.How do we really interlink and

> how do we convert wishes into fulfilment and how the time

> cooperates.other way as i have to put it how well we comprehend

HERE

> to think of THERE.it is certainly battle of nerves.

> > For me the essence of ASTROLOGY is:how do we bring in balance

> between:

> > DHARMA,ARDHA.KAMA &MOKSHA

> > when we can really maintain an equation there is nothing like

> predetined till we find meaning for MOKSHA.Astrology truely

> envisages that we get the results for what we Do.

> > If do is DHARMA and then GET is ARDHA.Then the question is

what

> is KAMA.For a moment if we imply wish/desire as for KAMA is it

> bad.The answer is certainly NO.But if we spiral into all wishes

and

> desires,certainly it is not GOOD.Then we need to look some where

> MOKSHA.Is it not we attain through DHARMA.Thus the begining is end

> and end is beginings,This what is essence of TRIPOD relation

between

> FIRST,FIFTH &NINTH house.

> > if Iam missing the track some where my colleagues will help

you

> and me answer in a better way

> > krishnan

> > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > POojya RRji, Krishnanji and Rishiji,

> > Please permit me to add something. All the five steps take a lot

> of

> > conviction and self will to execute, but would they be of any

> avail

> > if there is no sixth step, Divine Will/Grace?

> > I have always prided myself of always defining my goals(one at

> atime)

> > and go about them with utmost sincerity and enthusiasm, and have

> > managed to get only some of them achieved.Some did not even

merit

> a

> > headstart? When the input was equal the end result varied so

> > drastically.Can we conclude that ultimately it is the Almighty

> that

> > decides the result, or is it that even the Grace is tardy in

> arrving

> > when u run one of your dashas? As it was true in my case when

all

> > through the four years of acute suffering no tangible help was

> > forthcoming. there is only now a glimmer of light that too at

the

> > far end.How can we explain this? Predestined karma is what makes

> and

> > breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts? please enlighten

> me.

> > Thanks and regards

> > Nalini

> >

> >

> >

> > , rishi shukla

> > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > >

> > > RRji,

> > > And factually relating, astrology is directly related

> > > to human behavior and its quirks.

> > > I concur fully with what you have said, but

> > > allow me to grumble...

> > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > 'here'

> > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > >

> > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > step four!

> > >

> > > Step five: Do it"

> > >

> > > If one was able to do all of it, then one would not

> > > seek or need divination of any form.

> > > Then,its but human nature that one seeks short cuts.

> > > Ordinary mortals, afterall. Even knowledge that

> > > confirms that there are minimal chances of a sudden

> > > surge of awareness does not bely hope.

> > >

> > > regards

> > >

> > > Rishi

> > >

> > >

> > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Shri Rohini Ji,

> > > > It is since long to see you make a right note.I

> > > > only make addition as Astrology is an understandable

> > > > communication(not a gesture!)

> > > > True it's Value and the additions that the subject

> > > > makes to humanity makes it devine too.So your steps:

> > > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > 'here'

> > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > >

> > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > step four!

> > > >

> > > > Step five: Do it"

> > > > All can be implemented only with faith and belief

> > > > and ofcourse certainly sincerity of purpose.

> > > > I do not really mind to exploit Psychocology to

> > > > convince and amke the subject understandable to one

> > > > and all to solve life imposed riddles.Be it sanskara

> > > > or be it eat to live.

> > > > Let's hope millions(both haves and have nots) do

> > > > look at the vastness world only to explore in his

> > > > own way and comprehend to make living a positive

> > > > approach

> > > > otherwise Iam afraid:"it is not a mistake that

> > > > step three comes before step four!"we will not be

> > > > there as here is too complicated to define

> > > > regards

> > > > krishnan

> > > >

> > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > The more I see, my two cents for what they are

> > > > worth, effective

> > > > astrology boils down to communication. Both the

> > > > astrologer and the

> > > > nativity must make an effort to communicate and to

> > > > be good at it.

> > > >

> > > > This cannot be done in a one shot, manner that most

> > > > of us web-

> > > > dwellers have gotten used to.

> > > >

> > > > Hence the dissatisfaction, the frustrations and

> > > > fights that prevail.

> > > >

> > > > It has an eerie resemblance to

> > > > psychoanalysis/psychotherapy.

> > > >

> > > > Interestingly, at least in the western scene of

> > > > things, a lot of

> > > > psychologists (amateur and otherwise) got attracted

> > > > to astrology and

> > > > actually made a lot of progress for themselves and

> > > > for their craft.

> > > >

> > > > The "tell me now, without mincing words and move on"

> > > > mentality that

> > > > we see from time to time, is more suited to

> > > > situations where

> > > > information and knowledge received more *directly*

> > > > than astrology

> > > > was ever intended to deliver is perhpas sought -- in

> > > > the wrong forum

> > > > perhaps!

> > > >

> > > > Like much of worldly reality, unless I am sadly

> > > > mistaken as some may

> > > > believe or insist <!>, astrology is not about

> > > > magical revelations

> > > > and deliverances that happen overnight, remedially

> > > > speaking or

> > > > astrologically for that matter.

> > > >

> > > > All of us are looking for that magical panacea that

> > > > would transform

> > > > our current state of misery into beautitude, bliss

> > > > and instant self-

> > > > realization! Just look at the size of world's

> > > > population and count

> > > > the really self-realized ones over the centuries

> > > > that most of us

> > > > feel were truly REALIZED. Do the math!

> > > >

> > > > Does that mean that there is no hope for the rest of

> > > > us billions and

> > > > billions?

> > > >

> > > > Step one: Define hope

> > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > 'here'

> > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > >

> > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > step four!

> > > >

> > > > Step five: Do it!!

> > > >

> > > > Peace and Love!

> > > >

> > > > RR

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If you failed to fill up, the chances of your being in a headon

collision are very little (unless you are driving in the wrong lane)

however you do risk being rear-ended! And in that situation it is

generally the fault of the driver in the rear vehicle, hence no

karma for you (insurance premium rising or police fining you) -- as

long as you do not suffer a whiplash or other back injury ;-)

 

, "auromirra19"

<nalini2818 wrote:

>

> Poojya Rohiniji,

>

> Absolutely Fantastic!! I am spell bound.As usual I have in my long

> winding way done it, yes it is true, How can Divine grace be a

step,

> it is a life line. Truly amazing, but then I have always been a

> lousy driver, no wonder met with somany accidents and frequently

> must have forgotten to fill up, and in a hurry got into the top

gear

> before going through the gamut. Thanks a lot, that is what I am

> doing now , unlearnt what I have and started learning afresh and

it

> is so revealing. I have now started learning literally, HUman

> Resources Management at 46 years, and also at life's school which

is

> teaching me lessons in humility, tolerance patience and what not.

> God there is so much to learn, and I wish to cram as much as

> possible within this lifetime. As Mother rightly said, the day you

> feel you have done enough and learnt enough, that is the day you

> start growing old. Now I realise, why I have never been able to be

> satisfied/happy with what I had materially, in my career and

always

> hankered after that elusive something.I always wondered when I

heard

> happy laughter ring out how could people be so happy? What I am

> after is something which is substantial in not being so and all I

> have gone through is but a way of reaching it.As usual you

have,sir,

> in your inimitable analytical, with deep insight, succinctly

> conevyed the meaning.

> Regards

> nalini

>

>

> , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nalini ji,

> >

> > Open gate,

> > sit down

> > turn ignition

> > look around

> > press clutch pedal

> > put car in first gear

> > drive

> >

> > Those are steps

> >

> > Divine Will/Grace is the petrol/gasoline. It cannot be a step

> >

> >

> > Rohini

> >

> >

> > , "auromirra19"

> > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > >

> > > POojya RRji, Krishnanji and Rishiji,

> > > Please permit me to add something. All the five steps take a

lot

> > of

> > > conviction and self will to execute, but would they be of any

> > avail

> > > if there is no sixth step, Divine Will/Grace?

> > > I have always prided myself of always defining my goals(one at

> > atime)

> > > and go about them with utmost sincerity and enthusiasm, and

have

> > > managed to get only some of them achieved.Some did not even

> merit

> > a

> > > headstart? When the input was equal the end result varied so

> > > drastically.Can we conclude that ultimately it is the Almighty

> > that

> > > decides the result, or is it that even the Grace is tardy in

> > arrving

> > > when u run one of your dashas? As it was true in my case when

> all

> > > through the four years of acute suffering no tangible help was

> > > forthcoming. there is only now a glimmer of light that too at

> the

> > > far end.How can we explain this? Predestined karma is what

makes

> > and

> > > breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts? please

enlighten

> > me.

> > > Thanks and regards

> > > Nalini

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , rishi shukla

> > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > RRji,

> > > > And factually relating, astrology is directly related

> > > > to human behavior and its quirks.

> > > > I concur fully with what you have said, but

> > > > allow me to grumble...

> > > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > 'here'

> > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > >

> > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > step four!

> > > >

> > > > Step five: Do it"

> > > >

> > > > If one was able to do all of it, then one would not

> > > > seek or need divination of any form.

> > > > Then,its but human nature that one seeks short cuts.

> > > > Ordinary mortals, afterall. Even knowledge that

> > > > confirms that there are minimal chances of a sudden

> > > > surge of awareness does not bely hope.

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > >

> > > > Rishi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Ji,

> > > > > It is since long to see you make a right note.I

> > > > > only make addition as Astrology is an understandable

> > > > > communication(not a gesture!)

> > > > > True it's Value and the additions that the subject

> > > > > makes to humanity makes it devine too.So your steps:

> > > > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > 'here'

> > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > step four!

> > > > >

> > > > > Step five: Do it"

> > > > > All can be implemented only with faith and belief

> > > > > and ofcourse certainly sincerity of purpose.

> > > > > I do not really mind to exploit Psychocology to

> > > > > convince and amke the subject understandable to one

> > > > > and all to solve life imposed riddles.Be it sanskara

> > > > > or be it eat to live.

> > > > > Let's hope millions(both haves and have nots) do

> > > > > look at the vastness world only to explore in his

> > > > > own way and comprehend to make living a positive

> > > > > approach

> > > > > otherwise Iam afraid:"it is not a mistake that

> > > > > step three comes before step four!"we will not be

> > > > > there as here is too complicated to define

> > > > > regards

> > > > > krishnan

> > > > >

> > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > > The more I see, my two cents for what they are

> > > > > worth, effective

> > > > > astrology boils down to communication. Both the

> > > > > astrologer and the

> > > > > nativity must make an effort to communicate and to

> > > > > be good at it.

> > > > >

> > > > > This cannot be done in a one shot, manner that most

> > > > > of us web-

> > > > > dwellers have gotten used to.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hence the dissatisfaction, the frustrations and

> > > > > fights that prevail.

> > > > >

> > > > > It has an eerie resemblance to

> > > > > psychoanalysis/psychotherapy.

> > > > >

> > > > > Interestingly, at least in the western scene of

> > > > > things, a lot of

> > > > > psychologists (amateur and otherwise) got attracted

> > > > > to astrology and

> > > > > actually made a lot of progress for themselves and

> > > > > for their craft.

> > > > >

> > > > > The "tell me now, without mincing words and move on"

> > > > > mentality that

> > > > > we see from time to time, is more suited to

> > > > > situations where

> > > > > information and knowledge received more *directly*

> > > > > than astrology

> > > > > was ever intended to deliver is perhpas sought -- in

> > > > > the wrong forum

> > > > > perhaps!

> > > > >

> > > > > Like much of worldly reality, unless I am sadly

> > > > > mistaken as some may

> > > > > believe or insist <!>, astrology is not about

> > > > > magical revelations

> > > > > and deliverances that happen overnight, remedially

> > > > > speaking or

> > > > > astrologically for that matter.

> > > > >

> > > > > All of us are looking for that magical panacea that

> > > > > would transform

> > > > > our current state of misery into beautitude, bliss

> > > > > and instant self-

> > > > > realization! Just look at the size of world's

> > > > > population and count

> > > > > the really self-realized ones over the centuries

> > > > > that most of us

> > > > > feel were truly REALIZED. Do the math!

> > > > >

> > > > > Does that mean that there is no hope for the rest of

> > > > > us billions and

> > > > > billions?

> > > > >

> > > > > Step one: Define hope

> > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > 'here'

> > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > step four!

> > > > >

> > > > > Step five: Do it!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Peace and Love!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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, "auromirra19"

<nalini2818 wrote:

>

>

> Learned Gurus,

>

> How perfect, In each of your ways, RRji, Arjunji,Krishnanji all of

> you have revealed to me the multifacets. Each a perfect bloom, so

> beautiful and a perfect art form. Who said this forum lacks good

> astrologers, it not only has extremely good astrologers but

> sensitive human beings honed and tuned and possessing the good

will

> limited to people of their stature.

>

> Thanks & Regards

> Nalini

> , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@>

> wrote:

> >

> > beautifully said and in perfect syntax ;-P

> >

> >

> > , "panditarjun2004"

> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear krishnan garu

> > >

> > > well said. but i wish to answer ms. nalini's question in a

more

> > > elaborate manner.

> > >

> > > in realistic terms, pre-destined karma cannot make or break a

> > > person. we have already discussed this in various threads

> earlier

> > > but we can redicuss the same. the birth chart is the audited

> > karmic

> > > statement of account as on the date of birth of the native

based

> > on

> > > the karmas the native did in the previous births. till 15

years

> > the

> > > child is a puppet in the strings of the planets (pre-destined

> > karma)

> > > and has no strength or power to change it. due to advanced

> hybrid

> > > modern generation, the child's ability to change karma has

been

> > > reduced to 12 now and is fast dropping to 8 soon. astrology

> helps

> > > the native in understanding whether the native inherits debts

or

> > > assets so that future can be planned accordingly.

> > >

> > > having said this, if you do not do any karma at all, it is

like

> > > allowing yourself float or drown for crossing a river. with

> your

> > > efforts you can swim with your bare hands. with some remedial

> > > measures like airtube, boat or motorboat you can cross the

river

> > of

> > > difficulties faster than in normal course. in scorching heat

of

> > > summer you dont allow yourself to stand on the road and leave

> > > yourself for karma. either go for cover under the shadow of a

> > tree

> > > and halt, carry an umbrella and still march ahead or run a

> cycle,

> > > scooter or car based on your capacity.

> > >

> > > simply put, your future is in your hands. you can do and undo

> > > things. an expert astrologer can guide you with which remedy

> how

> > > soon you can change the karma. astrology and karmic theory

are

> > > inexplicably intertwined which is why the expectations of an

> > > astrologer are increasing in changing the destiny of the

natives.

> > >

> > > with best wishes

> > > arjun

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , vattem krishnan

> > > <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear nalini ji,

> > > > Very genuinely you have conveyed your views and this will

> > > certainly be mind boggling:

> > > > Predestined karma is what makes and

> > > > breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts?

> > > > On one hand it is the factor of" time".On the other hand our

> > > feeble mind that wants many things.How do we really interlink

> and

> > > how do we convert wishes into fulfilment and how the time

> > > cooperates.other way as i have to put it how well we

comprehend

> > HERE

> > > to think of THERE.it is certainly battle of nerves.

> > > > For me the essence of ASTROLOGY is:how do we bring in

> balance

> > > between:

> > > > DHARMA,ARDHA.KAMA &MOKSHA

> > > > when we can really maintain an equation there is nothing

> like

> > > predetined till we find meaning for MOKSHA.Astrology truely

> > > envisages that we get the results for what we Do.

> > > > If do is DHARMA and then GET is ARDHA.Then the question is

> > what

> > > is KAMA.For a moment if we imply wish/desire as for KAMA is it

> > > bad.The answer is certainly NO.But if we spiral into all

wishes

> > and

> > > desires,certainly it is not GOOD.Then we need to look some

where

> > > MOKSHA.Is it not we attain through DHARMA.Thus the begining is

> end

> > > and end is beginings,This what is essence of TRIPOD relation

> > between

> > > FIRST,FIFTH &NINTH house.

> > > > if Iam missing the track some where my colleagues will

help

> > you

> > > and me answer in a better way

> > > > krishnan

> > > > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > > POojya RRji, Krishnanji and Rishiji,

> > > > Please permit me to add something. All the five steps take a

> lot

> > > of

> > > > conviction and self will to execute, but would they be of

any

> > > avail

> > > > if there is no sixth step, Divine Will/Grace?

> > > > I have always prided myself of always defining my goals(one

at

> > > atime)

> > > > and go about them with utmost sincerity and enthusiasm, and

> have

> > > > managed to get only some of them achieved.Some did not even

> > merit

> > > a

> > > > headstart? When the input was equal the end result varied so

> > > > drastically.Can we conclude that ultimately it is the

Almighty

> > > that

> > > > decides the result, or is it that even the Grace is tardy in

> > > arrving

> > > > when u run one of your dashas? As it was true in my case

when

> > all

> > > > through the four years of acute suffering no tangible help

was

> > > > forthcoming. there is only now a glimmer of light that too

at

> > the

> > > > far end.How can we explain this? Predestined karma is what

> makes

> > > and

> > > > breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts? please

> enlighten

> > > me.

> > > > Thanks and regards

> > > > Nalini

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , rishi shukla

> > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > RRji,

> > > > > And factually relating, astrology is directly related

> > > > > to human behavior and its quirks.

> > > > > I concur fully with what you have said, but

> > > > > allow me to grumble...

> > > > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > 'here'

> > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > step four!

> > > > >

> > > > > Step five: Do it"

> > > > >

> > > > > If one was able to do all of it, then one would not

> > > > > seek or need divination of any form.

> > > > > Then,its but human nature that one seeks short cuts.

> > > > > Ordinary mortals, afterall. Even knowledge that

> > > > > confirms that there are minimal chances of a sudden

> > > > > surge of awareness does not bely hope.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Rishi

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > It is since long to see you make a right note.I

> > > > > > only make addition as Astrology is an understandable

> > > > > > communication(not a gesture!)

> > > > > > True it's Value and the additions that the subject

> > > > > > makes to humanity makes it devine too.So your steps:

> > > > > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > > 'here'

> > > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > > step four!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Step five: Do it"

> > > > > > All can be implemented only with faith and belief

> > > > > > and ofcourse certainly sincerity of purpose.

> > > > > > I do not really mind to exploit Psychocology to

> > > > > > convince and amke the subject understandable to one

> > > > > > and all to solve life imposed riddles.Be it sanskara

> > > > > > or be it eat to live.

> > > > > > Let's hope millions(both haves and have nots) do

> > > > > > look at the vastness world only to explore in his

> > > > > > own way and comprehend to make living a positive

> > > > > > approach

> > > > > > otherwise Iam afraid:"it is not a mistake that

> > > > > > step three comes before step four!"we will not be

> > > > > > there as here is too complicated to define

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > > > The more I see, my two cents for what they are

> > > > > > worth, effective

> > > > > > astrology boils down to communication. Both the

> > > > > > astrologer and the

> > > > > > nativity must make an effort to communicate and to

> > > > > > be good at it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This cannot be done in a one shot, manner that most

> > > > > > of us web-

> > > > > > dwellers have gotten used to.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hence the dissatisfaction, the frustrations and

> > > > > > fights that prevail.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It has an eerie resemblance to

> > > > > > psychoanalysis/psychotherapy.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Interestingly, at least in the western scene of

> > > > > > things, a lot of

> > > > > > psychologists (amateur and otherwise) got attracted

> > > > > > to astrology and

> > > > > > actually made a lot of progress for themselves and

> > > > > > for their craft.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The "tell me now, without mincing words and move on"

> > > > > > mentality that

> > > > > > we see from time to time, is more suited to

> > > > > > situations where

> > > > > > information and knowledge received more *directly*

> > > > > > than astrology

> > > > > > was ever intended to deliver is perhpas sought -- in

> > > > > > the wrong forum

> > > > > > perhaps!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Like much of worldly reality, unless I am sadly

> > > > > > mistaken as some may

> > > > > > believe or insist <!>, astrology is not about

> > > > > > magical revelations

> > > > > > and deliverances that happen overnight, remedially

> > > > > > speaking or

> > > > > > astrologically for that matter.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > All of us are looking for that magical panacea that

> > > > > > would transform

> > > > > > our current state of misery into beautitude, bliss

> > > > > > and instant self-

> > > > > > realization! Just look at the size of world's

> > > > > > population and count

> > > > > > the really self-realized ones over the centuries

> > > > > > that most of us

> > > > > > feel were truly REALIZED. Do the math!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Does that mean that there is no hope for the rest of

> > > > > > us billions and

> > > > > > billions?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Step one: Define hope

> > > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > > 'here'

> > > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > > step four!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Step five: Do it!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Peace and Love!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

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> > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

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, "panditarjun2004"

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>

> dear friend nalini

>

> in gita lord krishna says that holy scriptures are meaningless for

a

> realised person. similarly malefics or cruel planets are

> meaningless for a realised person. remedies are required only for

> unrealised persons.

>

> with best wishes

> arjun

>

>

> , "auromirra19"

> <nalini2818@> wrote:

> >

> > -Krishnan ji,

> > As you rightly pointed out the human being is enmeshed in the

> quest

> > for dharma ardha kama mokhsa( not necessarily in that order).It

is

> > for him to come out of the mire. In my humble view( I donot

> profess

> > to have any knowledge of it)astrology explains what was in store

> for

> > for us, again,predetermined and according to our past karmas,

and

> as

> > Arjun ji so beautifully conveyed, it is human will but is

it "free

> > will" that seeks help. and I feel itis the bhagya of the native

if

> > he/she receives the much sought after help in time. Now that

> bhagya,

> > is that also the purva punya? If not what is it?Though we are

all

> > supposedly free to seek help and solace it is only that we get

it

> > only when it is to arrive and not before? As Arjunji, has

> perfectly

> > described, standing in the scorching sun instead of seeking the

> > shelter of a tree through any means of conveyance, but when does

> > that happen the frame of time he has to suffer. I am extremely

> sorry

> > if I cut a personal angle, but I have been in that state,

crippled

> > and in the scorching sun, no shade and no help in sight, I

could

> > not run,it was long before Mother came to me and soothed me,

that

> to

> > in the form of Guruji, who suggested me to turn to Her and Her

> > alone, recite the Durga sapthasati. Now that period of time I

was

> in

> > the scorching sun was four years and how I suffered, but I am

not

> > sorry as it has made me a better person.. That I was alive is

only

> > the faith in Her that she will never forsake me. Astrology,

within

> > the four years or rather end of four years( I developed a deep

> > interest in it)made me realise what I was meant to be. I was mad

> and

> > words cant describe the degree of madness, after my career. I

had

> to

> > forsake it. I relocated to a foreign land, I gave up all my

clothes

> (

> > one materialistic streak in me was my passion for clothes) and

> > retained only a minimum for use. I gave away almost all my

> material

> > posessions.I came here to find myself and start my life again

from

> a

> > scratch, no servants no help. I realised that this was meant to

> > point out to me that whatever I had forsaken was of no real

> value.

> > I now fully understand the so called malefics have infact been

> > teaching me a karmic lesson in renuciation and evolution and I

> have

> > been complaining. It was then I decided to turn inward and that

> was

> > when I received help.But within the fabric of life and family

> > renunciation in total is the end of it. So the Ardha , kama

still

> > continue to hold fort. But the basic signature of my chart has

> > taught me not overtly focus on the mundane, duty with purpose

and

> > detachment. It has not been very difficult for me as I have

always

> > found looking at myself from outside of any relationship, as a

> wife,

> > mother, daughter, sibling.

> > Pardon me for any thing which may have hurt anyone in the

esteemed

> > list which was not intended.

> >

> > Regards

> > Nalini

> >

> > -- In , vattem krishnan

> > <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear nalini ji,

> > > Very genuinely you have conveyed your views and this will

> > certainly be mind boggling:

> > > Predestined karma is what makes and

> > > breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts?

> > > On one hand it is the factor of" time".On the other hand our

> > feeble mind that wants many things.How do we really interlink

and

> > how do we convert wishes into fulfilment and how the time

> > cooperates.other way as i have to put it how well we comprehend

> HERE

> > to think of THERE.it is certainly battle of nerves.

> > > For me the essence of ASTROLOGY is:how do we bring in

balance

> > between:

> > > DHARMA,ARDHA.KAMA &MOKSHA

> > > when we can really maintain an equation there is nothing

like

> > predetined till we find meaning for MOKSHA.Astrology truely

> > envisages that we get the results for what we Do.

> > > If do is DHARMA and then GET is ARDHA.Then the question is

> what

> > is KAMA.For a moment if we imply wish/desire as for KAMA is it

> > bad.The answer is certainly NO.But if we spiral into all wishes

> and

> > desires,certainly it is not GOOD.Then we need to look some where

> > MOKSHA.Is it not we attain through DHARMA.Thus the begining is

end

> > and end is beginings,This what is essence of TRIPOD relation

> between

> > FIRST,FIFTH &NINTH house.

> > > if Iam missing the track some where my colleagues will help

> you

> > and me answer in a better way

> > > krishnan

> > > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > POojya RRji, Krishnanji and Rishiji,

> > > Please permit me to add something. All the five steps take a

lot

> > of

> > > conviction and self will to execute, but would they be of any

> > avail

> > > if there is no sixth step, Divine Will/Grace?

> > > I have always prided myself of always defining my goals(one at

> > atime)

> > > and go about them with utmost sincerity and enthusiasm, and

have

> > > managed to get only some of them achieved.Some did not even

> merit

> > a

> > > headstart? When the input was equal the end result varied so

> > > drastically.Can we conclude that ultimately it is the Almighty

> > that

> > > decides the result, or is it that even the Grace is tardy in

> > arrving

> > > when u run one of your dashas? As it was true in my case when

> all

> > > through the four years of acute suffering no tangible help was

> > > forthcoming. there is only now a glimmer of light that too at

> the

> > > far end.How can we explain this? Predestined karma is what

makes

> > and

> > > breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts? please

enlighten

> > me.

> > > Thanks and regards

> > > Nalini

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , rishi shukla

> > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > RRji,

> > > > And factually relating, astrology is directly related

> > > > to human behavior and its quirks.

> > > > I concur fully with what you have said, but

> > > > allow me to grumble...

> > > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > 'here'

> > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > >

> > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > step four!

> > > >

> > > > Step five: Do it"

> > > >

> > > > If one was able to do all of it, then one would not

> > > > seek or need divination of any form.

> > > > Then,its but human nature that one seeks short cuts.

> > > > Ordinary mortals, afterall. Even knowledge that

> > > > confirms that there are minimal chances of a sudden

> > > > surge of awareness does not bely hope.

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > >

> > > > Rishi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Ji,

> > > > > It is since long to see you make a right note.I

> > > > > only make addition as Astrology is an understandable

> > > > > communication(not a gesture!)

> > > > > True it's Value and the additions that the subject

> > > > > makes to humanity makes it devine too.So your steps:

> > > > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > 'here'

> > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > step four!

> > > > >

> > > > > Step five: Do it"

> > > > > All can be implemented only with faith and belief

> > > > > and ofcourse certainly sincerity of purpose.

> > > > > I do not really mind to exploit Psychocology to

> > > > > convince and amke the subject understandable to one

> > > > > and all to solve life imposed riddles.Be it sanskara

> > > > > or be it eat to live.

> > > > > Let's hope millions(both haves and have nots) do

> > > > > look at the vastness world only to explore in his

> > > > > own way and comprehend to make living a positive

> > > > > approach

> > > > > otherwise Iam afraid:"it is not a mistake that

> > > > > step three comes before step four!"we will not be

> > > > > there as here is too complicated to define

> > > > > regards

> > > > > krishnan

> > > > >

> > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > > The more I see, my two cents for what they are

> > > > > worth, effective

> > > > > astrology boils down to communication. Both the

> > > > > astrologer and the

> > > > > nativity must make an effort to communicate and to

> > > > > be good at it.

> > > > >

> > > > > This cannot be done in a one shot, manner that most

> > > > > of us web-

> > > > > dwellers have gotten used to.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hence the dissatisfaction, the frustrations and

> > > > > fights that prevail.

> > > > >

> > > > > It has an eerie resemblance to

> > > > > psychoanalysis/psychotherapy.

> > > > >

> > > > > Interestingly, at least in the western scene of

> > > > > things, a lot of

> > > > > psychologists (amateur and otherwise) got attracted

> > > > > to astrology and

> > > > > actually made a lot of progress for themselves and

> > > > > for their craft.

> > > > >

> > > > > The "tell me now, without mincing words and move on"

> > > > > mentality that

> > > > > we see from time to time, is more suited to

> > > > > situations where

> > > > > information and knowledge received more *directly*

> > > > > than astrology

> > > > > was ever intended to deliver is perhpas sought -- in

> > > > > the wrong forum

> > > > > perhaps!

> > > > >

> > > > > Like much of worldly reality, unless I am sadly

> > > > > mistaken as some may

> > > > > believe or insist <!>, astrology is not about

> > > > > magical revelations

> > > > > and deliverances that happen overnight, remedially

> > > > > speaking or

> > > > > astrologically for that matter.

> > > > >

> > > > > All of us are looking for that magical panacea that

> > > > > would transform

> > > > > our current state of misery into beautitude, bliss

> > > > > and instant self-

> > > > > realization! Just look at the size of world's

> > > > > population and count

> > > > > the really self-realized ones over the centuries

> > > > > that most of us

> > > > > feel were truly REALIZED. Do the math!

> > > > >

> > > > > Does that mean that there is no hope for the rest of

> > > > > us billions and

> > > > > billions?

> > > > >

> > > > > Step one: Define hope

> > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > 'here'

> > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > step four!

> > > > >

> > > > > Step five: Do it!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Peace and Love!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > >

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-Your are too sir!!!

 

Panditji was as usual his best but now I wonder after ur response

was that a tad tongue in cheek?

Hope not. Sir i would be failing if I dont thank the person

responsible for this repartee ( as Suggested by u),

So thank you Sir.

 

Regards

 

Nalini

 

 

 

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wrote:

>

> You Sir are on a roll :-)

>

> , "panditarjun2004"

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear friend nalini

> >

> > in gita lord krishna says that holy scriptures are meaningless

for

> a

> > realised person. similarly malefics or cruel planets are

> > meaningless for a realised person. remedies are required only

for

> > unrealised persons.

> >

> > with best wishes

> > arjun

> >

> >

> > , "auromirra19"

> > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > >

> > > -Krishnan ji,

> > > As you rightly pointed out the human being is enmeshed in the

> > quest

> > > for dharma ardha kama mokhsa( not necessarily in that

order).It

> is

> > > for him to come out of the mire. In my humble view( I donot

> > profess

> > > to have any knowledge of it)astrology explains what was in

store

> > for

> > > for us, again,predetermined and according to our past karmas,

> and

> > as

> > > Arjun ji so beautifully conveyed, it is human will but is

> it "free

> > > will" that seeks help. and I feel itis the bhagya of the

native

> if

> > > he/she receives the much sought after help in time. Now that

> > bhagya,

> > > is that also the purva punya? If not what is it?Though we are

> all

> > > supposedly free to seek help and solace it is only that we get

> it

> > > only when it is to arrive and not before? As Arjunji, has

> > perfectly

> > > described, standing in the scorching sun instead of seeking

the

> > > shelter of a tree through any means of conveyance, but when

does

> > > that happen the frame of time he has to suffer. I am extremely

> > sorry

> > > if I cut a personal angle, but I have been in that state,

> crippled

> > > and in the scorching sun, no shade and no help in sight, I

> could

> > > not run,it was long before Mother came to me and soothed me,

> that

> > to

> > > in the form of Guruji, who suggested me to turn to Her and Her

> > > alone, recite the Durga sapthasati. Now that period of time I

> was

> > in

> > > the scorching sun was four years and how I suffered, but I am

> not

> > > sorry as it has made me a better person.. That I was alive is

> only

> > > the faith in Her that she will never forsake me. Astrology,

> within

> > > the four years or rather end of four years( I developed a deep

> > > interest in it)made me realise what I was meant to be. I was

mad

> > and

> > > words cant describe the degree of madness, after my career. I

> had

> > to

> > > forsake it. I relocated to a foreign land, I gave up all my

> clothes

> > (

> > > one materialistic streak in me was my passion for clothes) and

> > > retained only a minimum for use. I gave away almost all my

> > material

> > > posessions.I came here to find myself and start my life again

> from

> > a

> > > scratch, no servants no help. I realised that this was meant

to

> > > point out to me that whatever I had forsaken was of no real

> > value.

> > > I now fully understand the so called malefics have infact been

> > > teaching me a karmic lesson in renuciation and evolution and I

> > have

> > > been complaining. It was then I decided to turn inward and

that

> > was

> > > when I received help.But within the fabric of life and family

> > > renunciation in total is the end of it. So the Ardha , kama

> still

> > > continue to hold fort. But the basic signature of my chart has

> > > taught me not overtly focus on the mundane, duty with purpose

> and

> > > detachment. It has not been very difficult for me as I have

> always

> > > found looking at myself from outside of any relationship, as a

> > wife,

> > > mother, daughter, sibling.

> > > Pardon me for any thing which may have hurt anyone in the

> esteemed

> > > list which was not intended.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Nalini

> > >

> > > -- In , vattem krishnan

> > > <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear nalini ji,

> > > > Very genuinely you have conveyed your views and this will

> > > certainly be mind boggling:

> > > > Predestined karma is what makes and

> > > > breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts?

> > > > On one hand it is the factor of" time".On the other hand our

> > > feeble mind that wants many things.How do we really interlink

> and

> > > how do we convert wishes into fulfilment and how the time

> > > cooperates.other way as i have to put it how well we

comprehend

> > HERE

> > > to think of THERE.it is certainly battle of nerves.

> > > > For me the essence of ASTROLOGY is:how do we bring in

> balance

> > > between:

> > > > DHARMA,ARDHA.KAMA &MOKSHA

> > > > when we can really maintain an equation there is nothing

> like

> > > predetined till we find meaning for MOKSHA.Astrology truely

> > > envisages that we get the results for what we Do.

> > > > If do is DHARMA and then GET is ARDHA.Then the question is

> > what

> > > is KAMA.For a moment if we imply wish/desire as for KAMA is it

> > > bad.The answer is certainly NO.But if we spiral into all

wishes

> > and

> > > desires,certainly it is not GOOD.Then we need to look some

where

> > > MOKSHA.Is it not we attain through DHARMA.Thus the begining is

> end

> > > and end is beginings,This what is essence of TRIPOD relation

> > between

> > > FIRST,FIFTH &NINTH house.

> > > > if Iam missing the track some where my colleagues will

help

> > you

> > > and me answer in a better way

> > > > krishnan

> > > > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > > POojya RRji, Krishnanji and Rishiji,

> > > > Please permit me to add something. All the five steps take a

> lot

> > > of

> > > > conviction and self will to execute, but would they be of

any

> > > avail

> > > > if there is no sixth step, Divine Will/Grace?

> > > > I have always prided myself of always defining my goals(one

at

> > > atime)

> > > > and go about them with utmost sincerity and enthusiasm, and

> have

> > > > managed to get only some of them achieved.Some did not even

> > merit

> > > a

> > > > headstart? When the input was equal the end result varied so

> > > > drastically.Can we conclude that ultimately it is the

Almighty

> > > that

> > > > decides the result, or is it that even the Grace is tardy in

> > > arrving

> > > > when u run one of your dashas? As it was true in my case

when

> > all

> > > > through the four years of acute suffering no tangible help

was

> > > > forthcoming. there is only now a glimmer of light that too

at

> > the

> > > > far end.How can we explain this? Predestined karma is what

> makes

> > > and

> > > > breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts? please

> enlighten

> > > me.

> > > > Thanks and regards

> > > > Nalini

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , rishi shukla

> > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > RRji,

> > > > > And factually relating, astrology is directly related

> > > > > to human behavior and its quirks.

> > > > > I concur fully with what you have said, but

> > > > > allow me to grumble...

> > > > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > 'here'

> > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > step four!

> > > > >

> > > > > Step five: Do it"

> > > > >

> > > > > If one was able to do all of it, then one would not

> > > > > seek or need divination of any form.

> > > > > Then,its but human nature that one seeks short cuts.

> > > > > Ordinary mortals, afterall. Even knowledge that

> > > > > confirms that there are minimal chances of a sudden

> > > > > surge of awareness does not bely hope.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Rishi

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > It is since long to see you make a right note.I

> > > > > > only make addition as Astrology is an understandable

> > > > > > communication(not a gesture!)

> > > > > > True it's Value and the additions that the subject

> > > > > > makes to humanity makes it devine too.So your steps:

> > > > > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > > 'here'

> > > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > > step four!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Step five: Do it"

> > > > > > All can be implemented only with faith and belief

> > > > > > and ofcourse certainly sincerity of purpose.

> > > > > > I do not really mind to exploit Psychocology to

> > > > > > convince and amke the subject understandable to one

> > > > > > and all to solve life imposed riddles.Be it sanskara

> > > > > > or be it eat to live.

> > > > > > Let's hope millions(both haves and have nots) do

> > > > > > look at the vastness world only to explore in his

> > > > > > own way and comprehend to make living a positive

> > > > > > approach

> > > > > > otherwise Iam afraid:"it is not a mistake that

> > > > > > step three comes before step four!"we will not be

> > > > > > there as here is too complicated to define

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > > > The more I see, my two cents for what they are

> > > > > > worth, effective

> > > > > > astrology boils down to communication. Both the

> > > > > > astrologer and the

> > > > > > nativity must make an effort to communicate and to

> > > > > > be good at it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This cannot be done in a one shot, manner that most

> > > > > > of us web-

> > > > > > dwellers have gotten used to.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hence the dissatisfaction, the frustrations and

> > > > > > fights that prevail.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It has an eerie resemblance to

> > > > > > psychoanalysis/psychotherapy.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Interestingly, at least in the western scene of

> > > > > > things, a lot of

> > > > > > psychologists (amateur and otherwise) got attracted

> > > > > > to astrology and

> > > > > > actually made a lot of progress for themselves and

> > > > > > for their craft.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The "tell me now, without mincing words and move on"

> > > > > > mentality that

> > > > > > we see from time to time, is more suited to

> > > > > > situations where

> > > > > > information and knowledge received more *directly*

> > > > > > than astrology

> > > > > > was ever intended to deliver is perhpas sought -- in

> > > > > > the wrong forum

> > > > > > perhaps!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Like much of worldly reality, unless I am sadly

> > > > > > mistaken as some may

> > > > > > believe or insist <!>, astrology is not about

> > > > > > magical revelations

> > > > > > and deliverances that happen overnight, remedially

> > > > > > speaking or

> > > > > > astrologically for that matter.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > All of us are looking for that magical panacea that

> > > > > > would transform

> > > > > > our current state of misery into beautitude, bliss

> > > > > > and instant self-

> > > > > > realization! Just look at the size of world's

> > > > > > population and count

> > > > > > the really self-realized ones over the centuries

> > > > > > that most of us

> > > > > > feel were truly REALIZED. Do the math!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Does that mean that there is no hope for the rest of

> > > > > > us billions and

> > > > > > billions?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Step one: Define hope

> > > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > > 'here'

> > > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > > step four!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Step five: Do it!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Peace and Love!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

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Sir, I remember a line which I used to put up on the message board

at my bank branch, "You are in the danger of getting runover even if

you are on the right track and dont move", This has always made me

constantly reinvent myself, ( thoough I have grumbled and

complained).I would also like to share with you a true life

threatning situation. It was miracle I was not run over literally

leave alone left rear-ended. At an intersection, I got down from my

car to walk to my work and in the hurry my pallu got into the door.

My driver and my husband took off. I was dragged a considerable

distance in the road, my bag, my mobile and me thrown in different

directions.It was literally then that everything had stopped in

time. It was bang in front of a busstop, and a very busy road at

9.30 in the morning, infact it was the main signal at Marina Beach

at Chennai. The policeman saw it a started a hue and cry and

signalled to my car and in the meanwhile there was a single auto on

the road, and a lady was in it she got down helped me get up,( my

saree got torn and that was how i became free).My car came back and

I got into it went to a doctor. Nothing happened to me. not even a

scratch. AS i was going back I noticed the crammed traffic. I have

always wondered how it could be so, other days I had to get down and

hurry up as there was always a bus to rear-end me.

It was truly revealing, in fact that was the beginning of the four

years of suffering I mentioned in my earlier post.I was afflicted

with a mysterious disease not diagnosed and lot followed through and

it has now left me with two lungs severely damaged, feet and arms

swollen, acutely diabetic,with hypothyroidism, on high potency

steroids, financially unsettled, no career and in an alien land.

But I am learning to cope and reinvent myself and have not given up.

It is interactions with learned gurus like yourself, pandit Arjun

garu, krishnan garu which gives me the much needed thrust to take

off.

 

Regards

Nalini

 

-- In , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb

wrote:

>

> If you failed to fill up, the chances of your being in a headon

> collision are very little (unless you are driving in the wrong

lane)

> however you do risk being rear-ended! And in that situation it is

> generally the fault of the driver in the rear vehicle, hence no

> karma for you (insurance premium rising or police fining you) --

as

> long as you do not suffer a whiplash or other back injury ;-)

>

> , "auromirra19"

> <nalini2818@> wrote:

> >

> > Poojya Rohiniji,

> >

> > Absolutely Fantastic!! I am spell bound.As usual I have in my

long

> > winding way done it, yes it is true, How can Divine grace be a

> step,

> > it is a life line. Truly amazing, but then I have always been a

> > lousy driver, no wonder met with somany accidents and frequently

> > must have forgotten to fill up, and in a hurry got into the top

> gear

> > before going through the gamut. Thanks a lot, that is what I am

> > doing now , unlearnt what I have and started learning afresh and

> it

> > is so revealing. I have now started learning literally, HUman

> > Resources Management at 46 years, and also at life's school

which

> is

> > teaching me lessons in humility, tolerance patience and what

not.

> > God there is so much to learn, and I wish to cram as much as

> > possible within this lifetime. As Mother rightly said, the day

you

> > feel you have done enough and learnt enough, that is the day you

> > start growing old. Now I realise, why I have never been able to

be

> > satisfied/happy with what I had materially, in my career and

> always

> > hankered after that elusive something.I always wondered when I

> heard

> > happy laughter ring out how could people be so happy? What I am

> > after is something which is substantial in not being so and all

I

> > have gone through is but a way of reaching it.As usual you

> have,sir,

> > in your inimitable analytical, with deep insight, succinctly

> > conevyed the meaning.

> > Regards

> > nalini

> >

> >

> > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nalini ji,

> > >

> > > Open gate,

> > > sit down

> > > turn ignition

> > > look around

> > > press clutch pedal

> > > put car in first gear

> > > drive

> > >

> > > Those are steps

> > >

> > > Divine Will/Grace is the petrol/gasoline. It cannot be a step

> > >

> > >

> > > Rohini

> > >

> > >

> > > , "auromirra19"

> > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > POojya RRji, Krishnanji and Rishiji,

> > > > Please permit me to add something. All the five steps take a

> lot

> > > of

> > > > conviction and self will to execute, but would they be of

any

> > > avail

> > > > if there is no sixth step, Divine Will/Grace?

> > > > I have always prided myself of always defining my goals(one

at

> > > atime)

> > > > and go about them with utmost sincerity and enthusiasm, and

> have

> > > > managed to get only some of them achieved.Some did not even

> > merit

> > > a

> > > > headstart? When the input was equal the end result varied so

> > > > drastically.Can we conclude that ultimately it is the

Almighty

> > > that

> > > > decides the result, or is it that even the Grace is tardy in

> > > arrving

> > > > when u run one of your dashas? As it was true in my case

when

> > all

> > > > through the four years of acute suffering no tangible help

was

> > > > forthcoming. there is only now a glimmer of light that too

at

> > the

> > > > far end.How can we explain this? Predestined karma is what

> makes

> > > and

> > > > breaks humans?and is reflected in one's charts? please

> enlighten

> > > me.

> > > > Thanks and regards

> > > > Nalini

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , rishi shukla

> > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > RRji,

> > > > > And factually relating, astrology is directly related

> > > > > to human behavior and its quirks.

> > > > > I concur fully with what you have said, but

> > > > > allow me to grumble...

> > > > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > 'here'

> > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > step four!

> > > > >

> > > > > Step five: Do it"

> > > > >

> > > > > If one was able to do all of it, then one would not

> > > > > seek or need divination of any form.

> > > > > Then,its but human nature that one seeks short cuts.

> > > > > Ordinary mortals, afterall. Even knowledge that

> > > > > confirms that there are minimal chances of a sudden

> > > > > surge of awareness does not bely hope.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Rishi

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > It is since long to see you make a right note.I

> > > > > > only make addition as Astrology is an understandable

> > > > > > communication(not a gesture!)

> > > > > > True it's Value and the additions that the subject

> > > > > > makes to humanity makes it devine too.So your steps:

> > > > > > "Step one: Define hope

> > > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > > 'here'

> > > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > > step four!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Step five: Do it"

> > > > > > All can be implemented only with faith and belief

> > > > > > and ofcourse certainly sincerity of purpose.

> > > > > > I do not really mind to exploit Psychocology to

> > > > > > convince and amke the subject understandable to one

> > > > > > and all to solve life imposed riddles.Be it sanskara

> > > > > > or be it eat to live.

> > > > > > Let's hope millions(both haves and have nots) do

> > > > > > look at the vastness world only to explore in his

> > > > > > own way and comprehend to make living a positive

> > > > > > approach

> > > > > > otherwise Iam afraid:"it is not a mistake that

> > > > > > step three comes before step four!"we will not be

> > > > > > there as here is too complicated to define

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > > > The more I see, my two cents for what they are

> > > > > > worth, effective

> > > > > > astrology boils down to communication. Both the

> > > > > > astrologer and the

> > > > > > nativity must make an effort to communicate and to

> > > > > > be good at it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This cannot be done in a one shot, manner that most

> > > > > > of us web-

> > > > > > dwellers have gotten used to.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hence the dissatisfaction, the frustrations and

> > > > > > fights that prevail.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It has an eerie resemblance to

> > > > > > psychoanalysis/psychotherapy.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Interestingly, at least in the western scene of

> > > > > > things, a lot of

> > > > > > psychologists (amateur and otherwise) got attracted

> > > > > > to astrology and

> > > > > > actually made a lot of progress for themselves and

> > > > > > for their craft.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The "tell me now, without mincing words and move on"

> > > > > > mentality that

> > > > > > we see from time to time, is more suited to

> > > > > > situations where

> > > > > > information and knowledge received more *directly*

> > > > > > than astrology

> > > > > > was ever intended to deliver is perhpas sought -- in

> > > > > > the wrong forum

> > > > > > perhaps!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Like much of worldly reality, unless I am sadly

> > > > > > mistaken as some may

> > > > > > believe or insist <!>, astrology is not about

> > > > > > magical revelations

> > > > > > and deliverances that happen overnight, remedially

> > > > > > speaking or

> > > > > > astrologically for that matter.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > All of us are looking for that magical panacea that

> > > > > > would transform

> > > > > > our current state of misery into beautitude, bliss

> > > > > > and instant self-

> > > > > > realization! Just look at the size of world's

> > > > > > population and count

> > > > > > the really self-realized ones over the centuries

> > > > > > that most of us

> > > > > > feel were truly REALIZED. Do the math!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Does that mean that there is no hope for the rest of

> > > > > > us billions and

> > > > > > billions?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Step one: Define hope

> > > > > > Step two: Define goal/immediate goal

> > > > > > Step three: Find what it takes to get there from

> > > > > > 'here'

> > > > > > Step four: Define 'here'

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes it is not a mistake that step three comes before

> > > > > > step four!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Step five: Do it!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Peace and Love!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

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> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> > > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > > >

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