Guest guest Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Hi, We have two astrologers suggesting two different perspectives on the house of death. Tarunji regarding it as 8th house and Balaji regarding it as 2nd and 7th. I am not sure if such disconnect on fundamentals is encouraging to amateurs or people who are beginners to this art of astrology. Regards, Nitin. -- In , Tarun Chopra <astrotarun@g...> wrote: > >When ever we want to see a health or logivitity of a child moon plays >an important role in that. in this horoscope moon is badly placed in >sixth house with ketu and aspected by saturn. second this baby has a >eight lord placed in first house. eight house is the house of death. >and jupiter aspect lagna. jupiter is 12th lord the house of loss. >(this reading is from my own ayanamsha) >these are the reasons for the early death of this child > >May her soul live in peace > >Tarun Chopra >Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji > > > Preeya ji - 26 Nov 2005; 3:00 PM; Bangalore [12n59, 77e35] >Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:17:56 -0800 (PST) > >Preeya ji, > >I studied the chart of your niece, who was summoned by God to >His presence at such a tender age. She was born under the star >of Uttara Phalguna and had Meena Lagna. > >At the time of death, she was running Surya Dasa - Ketu Bukti - >Sani Antar [27 Dec 2005 - 17 Jan 2006]. > >Before I offer an explanation, I want you to understand that the >2nd and the 7th houses are connected with death. In this >connection, let us consider the Dasa, Bukti, and Antar Nathas: > >* Surya is Neecha in Navamsa, placed in the star of 12th lord >Sani, who himself is placed in the star of 7th lord Budha. Surya >is also conjunct 7th lord Budha and aspected by 2nd lord Kuja. > >* Ketu is in the 7th house of death, in the star of Chandra. >Chandra is placed in the star of Surya, who is afflicted. > >* Sani is placed in the star of Budha, who rules the 7th house. >He is aspected by Kuja, who rules the 2nd house. > >The presence of Rahu in the Lagna is also evil, especially since >Rahu is placed in the star of 7th lord Budha. The presence of >Lagnadipati (who is Neecha in Navamsa) in the 8th house is also >bad. > >Guru is also subject to Papa Katari Yoga by both Surya and Ketu, >and is also aspected by the 2nd lord Kuja. > >In addition, Chandra is in 2/12 positions with Guru, which robs >it of power. Chandra also suffers because it is afflicted by >both Ketu and Sani. > >Kuja is placed in Bharani, a star ruled by Yama and associated >with death.This star is owned by Sukra, the malefic lord of the >3rd and the 8th. > >Unfortunately, all these conditions in the chart led to the sad >demise for your niece. May God shower His kindness upon her. > > >~~~~~~~ >Balaji Narasimhan * http://www.sherlock-holmes.com/balaji.htm >Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs >Editor, The Partial Art of Detection >~~~~~~~ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 dear friend in my opinion what balaji ji has written is what is mostly followed by the fraternity including me. i too gave the same hints in my reply to shri tarun ji but each astrologer has his own choice to use whichever system or ayanamsha he wants to use. with best wishes arjun , "nitin sharma" <nitins81@h...> wrote: > > Hi, > > We have two astrologers suggesting two different perspectives on the house > of death. Tarunji regarding it as 8th house and Balaji regarding it as 2nd > and 7th. > > I am not sure if such disconnect on fundamentals is encouraging to amateurs > or people who are beginners to this art of astrology. > > Regards, > Nitin. > > -- In , Tarun Chopra > <astrotarun@g...> wrote: > > > >When ever we want to see a health or logivitity of a child moon > plays > >an important role in that. in this horoscope moon is badly placed > in > >sixth house with ketu and aspected by saturn. second this baby has > a > >eight lord placed in first house. eight house is the house of > death. > >and jupiter aspect lagna. jupiter is 12th lord the house of loss. > >(this reading is from my own ayanamsha) > >these are the reasons for the early death of this child > > > >May her soul live in peace > > > >Tarun Chopra > > >Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji> > > > > > > Preeya ji - 26 Nov 2005; 3:00 PM; Bangalore [12n59, 77e35] > >Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:17:56 -0800 (PST) > > > >Preeya ji, > > > >I studied the chart of your niece, who was summoned by God to > >His presence at such a tender age. She was born under the star > >of Uttara Phalguna and had Meena Lagna. > > > >At the time of death, she was running Surya Dasa - Ketu Bukti - > >Sani Antar [27 Dec 2005 - 17 Jan 2006]. > > > >Before I offer an explanation, I want you to understand that the > >2nd and the 7th houses are connected with death. In this > >connection, let us consider the Dasa, Bukti, and Antar Nathas: > > > >* Surya is Neecha in Navamsa, placed in the star of 12th lord > >Sani, who himself is placed in the star of 7th lord Budha. Surya > >is also conjunct 7th lord Budha and aspected by 2nd lord Kuja. > > > >* Ketu is in the 7th house of death, in the star of Chandra. > >Chandra is placed in the star of Surya, who is afflicted. > > > >* Sani is placed in the star of Budha, who rules the 7th house. > >He is aspected by Kuja, who rules the 2nd house. > > > >The presence of Rahu in the Lagna is also evil, especially since > >Rahu is placed in the star of 7th lord Budha. The presence of > >Lagnadipati (who is Neecha in Navamsa) in the 8th house is also > >bad. > > > >Guru is also subject to Papa Katari Yoga by both Surya and Ketu, > >and is also aspected by the 2nd lord Kuja. > > > >In addition, Chandra is in 2/12 positions with Guru, which robs > >it of power. Chandra also suffers because it is afflicted by > >both Ketu and Sani. > > > >Kuja is placed in Bharani, a star ruled by Yama and associated > >with death.This star is owned by Sukra, the malefic lord of the > >3rd and the 8th. > > > >Unfortunately, all these conditions in the chart led to the sad > >demise for your niece. May God shower His kindness upon her. > > > > > >~~~~~~~ > >Balaji Narasimhan * http://www.sherlock-holmes.com/balaji.htm > >Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs > >Editor, The Partial Art of Detection > >~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Dear Arjun Ji and other astrologers, Eighth is the house for longevity. Please notice the sign interchange between jupiter and venus (eigth lord) both in natal chart and on the day of death. Also, the combust state of venus when the infant died. Here, the dashas and transits have coincided with natal problems to create the mrityu yoga. Regards, Ashutosh [The services of this astrologer are free on the astrology group, but consultations on personal e-mail are chargeable] - panditarjun2004 Tuesday, 17 January, 2006 10:52 Re: Preeya ji - 26 Nov 2005; 3:00 PM; Bangalore [12n59, 77e35] dear friend in my opinion what balaji ji has written is what is mostly followed by the fraternity including me. i too gave the same hints in my reply to shri tarun ji but each astrologer has his own choice to use whichever system or ayanamsha he wants to use. with best wishes arjun , "nitin sharma" <nitins81@h...> wrote: > > Hi, > > We have two astrologers suggesting two different perspectives on the house > of death. Tarunji regarding it as 8th house and Balaji regarding it as 2nd > and 7th. > > I am not sure if such disconnect on fundamentals is encouraging to amateurs > or people who are beginners to this art of astrology. > > Regards, > Nitin. > > -- In , Tarun Chopra > <astrotarun@g...> wrote: > > > >When ever we want to see a health or logivitity of a child moon > plays > >an important role in that. in this horoscope moon is badly placed > in > >sixth house with ketu and aspected by saturn. second this baby has > a > >eight lord placed in first house. eight house is the house of > death. > >and jupiter aspect lagna. jupiter is 12th lord the house of loss. > >(this reading is from my own ayanamsha) > >these are the reasons for the early death of this child > > > >May her soul live in peace > > > >Tarun Chopra > > >Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji> > > > > > > Preeya ji - 26 Nov 2005; 3:00 PM; Bangalore [12n59, 77e35] > >Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:17:56 -0800 (PST) > > > >Preeya ji, > > > >I studied the chart of your niece, who was summoned by God to > >His presence at such a tender age. She was born under the star > >of Uttara Phalguna and had Meena Lagna. > > > >At the time of death, she was running Surya Dasa - Ketu Bukti - > >Sani Antar [27 Dec 2005 - 17 Jan 2006]. > > > >Before I offer an explanation, I want you to understand that the > >2nd and the 7th houses are connected with death. In this > >connection, let us consider the Dasa, Bukti, and Antar Nathas: > > > >* Surya is Neecha in Navamsa, placed in the star of 12th lord > >Sani, who himself is placed in the star of 7th lord Budha. Surya > >is also conjunct 7th lord Budha and aspected by 2nd lord Kuja. > > > >* Ketu is in the 7th house of death, in the star of Chandra. > >Chandra is placed in the star of Surya, who is afflicted. > > > >* Sani is placed in the star of Budha, who rules the 7th house. > >He is aspected by Kuja, who rules the 2nd house. > > > >The presence of Rahu in the Lagna is also evil, especially since > >Rahu is placed in the star of 7th lord Budha. The presence of > >Lagnadipati (who is Neecha in Navamsa) in the 8th house is also > >bad. > > > >Guru is also subject to Papa Katari Yoga by both Surya and Ketu, > >and is also aspected by the 2nd lord Kuja. > > > >In addition, Chandra is in 2/12 positions with Guru, which robs > >it of power. Chandra also suffers because it is afflicted by > >both Ketu and Sani. > > > >Kuja is placed in Bharani, a star ruled by Yama and associated > >with death.This star is owned by Sukra, the malefic lord of the > >3rd and the 8th. > > > >Unfortunately, all these conditions in the chart led to the sad > >demise for your niece. May God shower His kindness upon her. > > > > > >~~~~~~~ > >Balaji Narasimhan * http://www.sherlock-holmes.com/balaji.htm > >Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs > >Editor, The Partial Art of Detection > >~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology a.. Visit your group "" on the web. b.. c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 NAMASKAR TO ALL MEMBERS AND GURUJANA, MY CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILY OF CHILD . AT FIRST INSTANCE IT SEEMS A CASE OF BALARISHTA DUE TO MANY REASONS GIVEN IN CLASSICS , I WOULD LIKE TO QUOTE A FEW AND ALSO WOULD LIKE TO MENTION SOME OF THE PLANETS ARE IN MRITYU BHAGA IN THE HOROSCOPE . LAGNA AND LAGNESH ARE DEFINITELY VERY WEAK AS JUPITER BEING LAGNA LORD HAS GONE TO 8TH HOUSE ASPECTED BY RETRO MARS FROM 2ND HOUSE AND ALSO I WILL CONSIDER ASPECT OF RETRO SATURN (BY KENDRIYA ASPECT) BEING 10TH FROM JUPITR . JUPITER IS DEBILITATED IN D-9 . THIS JUPITER IS IN EXACT MRITYU BHAGA IN TULA IN 8TH HOUSE ( JU IS CONSIDERED IN MRITYU BHAGA AT 13 DEGREES IN TULA AND THIS JUP IS AT 12.44 DEG, ALMOST SAME). SO LAGNESH ITSELF UNFORTUNATELY IS IN MRITYU BHAGA THAT TOO IN 8TH . VENUS THE 8TH LORD IS ALSO VERY NEAR TO DEGREES OF MRITYU BHAGA IN DHANU AT 25 DEG ( EXACT MB DEGREE FOR VE IS 27 DEGIN DHANU ). EXCHANGE BETWEEN 10TH AND 8TH LORD IS AN ALPAYU YOGA IN ITSELF AS IT SHOWS END OF KARMAS . ONE OF THE CLASSICS SAYS IF MARS AND JUP ARE IN EXCHANGE EVEN LORD SHIVA CANNOT SAVE THE CHILD .HERE WEAK JUP WHO IS LAGNESH AND IN 8TH IN MRIT BHAGA IS DIRECTLY BEING ASPECTED BY RETRO MARS WHO IS A MARAKA ALSO .THIS MARS IS ALSO IN NAKSHATRA OF 8TH LORD VENUS . ANOTHER CLASSIC SAYS IF RAHU OCCUPIES THE ASCENDANT AT BIRTH WHILE MOON IS IN 6TH BHAVA THE CHILD WILL DIE IN 20 DAYS OF ITS BIRTH .HERE RAHU IS IN LAGAN AND MOON IS IN RA / KE AXIS AND THIS MOON IS SHIFTING TO 6TH BHAVA IN CHALIT . MOON IS ALSO BADLY AFFLICTED BY SAT (RETRO) . ANOTHER CLASSIC SAYS IF BENEFIC PLANETS ,ASPECTED BY MALEFIC PLANETS , OCUUPY THE 6TH OR 8TH HOUSE FROM LAGNA THE CHILD DIES IN ONE MONTH . ANOTHER CLASSIC SAYS IF MOON CONJUNCT WITH MALEFICS IN 5, 9, 12, 7, OR LAGNA WITHOUT ANY BENEFIC ASPECT THE CHILD DIES EARLY. THERE ARE MORE SUCH RULES GIVEN BY OUR OLD GREAT SAINTS WHICH FIT ABSOLUTELY IN PRESENT LIFE AND MAKE THIS SUBJECT SUCH A BEAUTY . MARS IS RETRO HERE AND IS ALSO IN 8TH HOUSE FROM MOON . ALL BALARISHTAS ARE TO BE SEEN FROM MOON ITSELF . NOW SEE THE DASHA RUNNING WAS SU/KE/MER . SUN IS SIXTH LORD CONJ WITH MER ( MER IS COMB) . MER IS ALSO 7TH LORD A MARAKA, MER IS ALSO 8TH LORD OF D-9 ,8TH LORD D-3(LORD OF 22ND DRESHKONE) ,AND ALSO LORD OF 64TH NAVAMSHA ,THEREFORE MER IS MOST MALEFIC OF ALL AND KETU IS IN SIGN OF MER BROUGHT THE DEATH TO THIS CHILD .I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT GOCHAR HERE AS IT WAS JUST A NEW BORN BABY . HERE WE DONOT KNOW THE CAUSE OF DEATH BUT CLASSICS SAY IFGEMINI IS FALLING IN 8TH HOUSE OF DREKKANA THEN DEATH OCCURS BY FOLLOWING WAY . 1.IN FIRST DREKKANA : BY COUGH, LUNG INFECTIONS,BRONCHITIS . 2. IN 2ND DREK : BY TYPHOID 3.IN 3RD DREK :BY FALL FROM CONVEYANCE OR FROM A HEIGHT. HERE GEMINI IS IN 8TH HOUSE OF DREKKANA AND SO MER IS LORD OF 22ND DREKK AND THIS MER IS IN 1ST DREKK .PLEASE CHECK IF DEATH WAS BY ANY OF THE ABOVE REASONS. MAY GOD GIVE PEACE TO HER PARENTS . PLEASE FORGIVE ME IF I HAVE MADE ANY MISTAKE . THANKS TEJ astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh wrote: Dear Arjun Ji and other astrologers, Eighth is the house for longevity. Please notice the sign interchange between jupiter and venus (eigth lord) both in natal chart and on the day of death. Also, the combust state of venus when the infant died. Here, the dashas and transits have coincided with natal problems to create the mrityu yoga. Regards, Ashutosh [The services of this astrologer are free on the astrology group, but consultations on personal e-mail are chargeable] - panditarjun2004 Tuesday, 17 January, 2006 10:52 Re: Preeya ji - 26 Nov 2005; 3:00 PM; Bangalore [12n59, 77e35] dear friend in my opinion what balaji ji has written is what is mostly followed by the fraternity including me. i too gave the same hints in my reply to shri tarun ji but each astrologer has his own choice to use whichever system or ayanamsha he wants to use. with best wishes arjun , "nitin sharma" <nitins81@h...> wrote: > > Hi, > > We have two astrologers suggesting two different perspectives on the house > of death. Tarunji regarding it as 8th house and Balaji regarding it as 2nd > and 7th. > > I am not sure if such disconnect on fundamentals is encouraging to amateurs > or people who are beginners to this art of astrology. > > Regards, > Nitin. > > -- In , Tarun Chopra > <astrotarun@g...> wrote: > > > >When ever we want to see a health or logivitity of a child moon > plays > >an important role in that. in this horoscope moon is badly placed > in > >sixth house with ketu and aspected by saturn. second this baby has > a > >eight lord placed in first house. eight house is the house of > death. > >and jupiter aspect lagna. jupiter is 12th lord the house of loss. > >(this reading is from my own ayanamsha) > >these are the reasons for the early death of this child > > > >May her soul live in peace > > > >Tarun Chopra > > >Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji> > > > > > > Preeya ji - 26 Nov 2005; 3:00 PM; Bangalore [12n59, 77e35] > >Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:17:56 -0800 (PST) > > > >Preeya ji, > > > >I studied the chart of your niece, who was summoned by God to > >His presence at such a tender age. She was born under the star > >of Uttara Phalguna and had Meena Lagna. > > > >At the time of death, she was running Surya Dasa - Ketu Bukti - > >Sani Antar [27 Dec 2005 - 17 Jan 2006]. > > > >Before I offer an explanation, I want you to understand that the > >2nd and the 7th houses are connected with death. In this > >connection, let us consider the Dasa, Bukti, and Antar Nathas: > > > >* Surya is Neecha in Navamsa, placed in the star of 12th lord > >Sani, who himself is placed in the star of 7th lord Budha. Surya > >is also conjunct 7th lord Budha and aspected by 2nd lord Kuja. > > > >* Ketu is in the 7th house of death, in the star of Chandra. > >Chandra is placed in the star of Surya, who is afflicted. > > > >* Sani is placed in the star of Budha, who rules the 7th house. > >He is aspected by Kuja, who rules the 2nd house. > > > >The presence of Rahu in the Lagna is also evil, especially since > >Rahu is placed in the star of 7th lord Budha. The presence of > >Lagnadipati (who is Neecha in Navamsa) in the 8th house is also > >bad. > > > >Guru is also subject to Papa Katari Yoga by both Surya and Ketu, > >and is also aspected by the 2nd lord Kuja. > > > >In addition, Chandra is in 2/12 positions with Guru, which robs > >it of power. Chandra also suffers because it is afflicted by > >both Ketu and Sani. > > > >Kuja is placed in Bharani, a star ruled by Yama and associated > >with death.This star is owned by Sukra, the malefic lord of the > >3rd and the 8th. > > > >Unfortunately, all these conditions in the chart led to the sad > >demise for your niece. May God shower His kindness upon her. > > > > > >~~~~~~~ > >Balaji Narasimhan * http://www.sherlock-holmes.com/balaji.htm > >Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs > >Editor, The Partial Art of Detection > >~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. 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Guest guest Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 Satguru Paahimaam Dear Sri Nitin Sharma, Looking a bit closer there is little conflict in predictions of both. Eighth house denotes among other things longevity. Second & Seventh houses and its lords are decidedly "Marakasthaanas" meaning Death inflicting places/planets. There is a subtle difference between grant of longevity & death inflicting situation. Ill disposal of eighth lord indicates death Placement or malefic aspect of 2nd & 7th lords invariably denote death. But both at the right dasa & bukthi. Logic suggests that both 2&7 and 8th houses, disposition of Ascendant & Moon with respect to these houses need to be considered. Trust explains a bit further regards astroajp panditarjun2004 wrote: >dear friend > >in my opinion what balaji ji has written is what is mostly followed >by the fraternity including me. i too gave the same hints in my >reply to shri tarun ji but each astrologer has his own choice to use >whichever system or ayanamsha he wants to use. > >with best wishes >arjun > > >, "nitin sharma" ><nitins81@h...> wrote: > > >>Hi, >> >>We have two astrologers suggesting two different perspectives on >> >> >the house > > >>of death. Tarunji regarding it as 8th house and Balaji regarding >> >> >it as 2nd > > >>and 7th. >> >>I am not sure if such disconnect on fundamentals is encouraging to >> >> >amateurs > > >>or people who are beginners to this art of astrology. >> >>Regards, >>Nitin. >> >>-- In , Tarun Chopra >><astrotarun@g...> wrote: >> >> >>>When ever we want to see a health or logivitity of a child moon >>> >>> >>plays >> >> >>>an important role in that. in this horoscope moon is badly placed >>> >>> >>in >> >> >>>sixth house with ketu and aspected by saturn. second this baby has >>> >>> >>a >> >> >>>eight lord placed in first house. eight house is the house of >>> >>> >>death. >> >> >>>and jupiter aspect lagna. jupiter is 12th lord the house of loss. >>>(this reading is from my own ayanamsha) >>>these are the reasons for the early death of this child >>> >>>May her soul live in peace >>> >>>Tarun Chopra >>> >>> >>>Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji> >>> >>> >>> Preeya ji - 26 Nov 2005; 3:00 PM; Bangalore [12n59, >>> >>> >77e35] > > >>>Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:17:56 -0800 (PST) >>> >>>Preeya ji, >>> >>>I studied the chart of your niece, who was summoned by God to >>>His presence at such a tender age. She was born under the star >>>of Uttara Phalguna and had Meena Lagna. >>> >>>At the time of death, she was running Surya Dasa - Ketu Bukti - >>>Sani Antar [27 Dec 2005 - 17 Jan 2006]. >>> >>>Before I offer an explanation, I want you to understand that the >>>2nd and the 7th houses are connected with death. In this >>>connection, let us consider the Dasa, Bukti, and Antar Nathas: >>> >>>* Surya is Neecha in Navamsa, placed in the star of 12th lord >>>Sani, who himself is placed in the star of 7th lord Budha. Surya >>>is also conjunct 7th lord Budha and aspected by 2nd lord Kuja. >>> >>>* Ketu is in the 7th house of death, in the star of Chandra. >>>Chandra is placed in the star of Surya, who is afflicted. >>> >>>* Sani is placed in the star of Budha, who rules the 7th house. >>>He is aspected by Kuja, who rules the 2nd house. >>> >>>The presence of Rahu in the Lagna is also evil, especially since >>>Rahu is placed in the star of 7th lord Budha. The presence of >>>Lagnadipati (who is Neecha in Navamsa) in the 8th house is also >>>bad. >>> >>>Guru is also subject to Papa Katari Yoga by both Surya and Ketu, >>>and is also aspected by the 2nd lord Kuja. >>> >>>In addition, Chandra is in 2/12 positions with Guru, which robs >>>it of power. Chandra also suffers because it is afflicted by >>>both Ketu and Sani. >>> >>>Kuja is placed in Bharani, a star ruled by Yama and associated >>>with death.This star is owned by Sukra, the malefic lord of the >>>3rd and the 8th. >>> >>>Unfortunately, all these conditions in the chart led to the sad >>>demise for your niece. May God shower His kindness upon her. >>> >>> >>>~~~~~~~ >>>Balaji Narasimhan * http://www.sherlock-holmes.com/balaji.htm >>>Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs >>>Editor, The Partial Art of Detection >>>~~~~~~~ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > > > > > > > >SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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