no response for any mails (welcome to the internet reality)

November 25, 2005

My dears,

I had a dream, some years ago ...

That *astrology* and not just even jyotish or tropical or sidereal or

burmese or divination in general would in a few years be the key!

Such was the surge of *energy* all over around us that it had to be

the answer, it had to be the key, good and even great times of

renaissance (-rebirth [of the human spirit]) were coming!

Sure, a lot of it has come to pass but a lot has not.

Over time, earth time, recent time, what I have learned from mine and

follies of others, is that impatience had been the drop of quininine

(one of the most bitter substances tasted by mankind) that prevented

us as a cohort to go beyond the obvious (hopelessness, dejection,

loneliness, jealousy, constriction of personal space, anything but

expansion, cynicism, violence, aggression, losing control basically),

the drop of bitter pitta that desecrated the nectar, the heavenly

ambrosia that was a Divine Gift to us, most of us.

The chinese are a wise people, so are the jewish! When they

say, "learn to fish and not fish for others", they know what they are

trying to share, and express. I have been feeling that for a long

time and so also many others, vocally or in spirit.

Empowerment, personal empowerment is the key. We first need to stop

in our tracks, our karmic victim drama and to take stock of where we

are as individuals and as collective SOUL.

Technical and 'logical' subjects like astrology are like investing,

the craft of Investing. Sure one will find consultants and those who

are knowledgeable and have spent time and resources and are willing

to help and available for a fee, money or otherwise.

BUT THE FINAL RESPONSIBILITY LIES ON THE BUYER, who must learn it him

or herself in order to be effectively in charge.

The critical point in one's life, even when in the midst of being

overwhelmed by tragedies and attacks so UNFAIR and always undeserved

(!) is that moment when one is so tired that they care no more, move

away and out of the worldly drama around them and DECIDE TO PUT IN

NEW ENERGY AND SOUL INTO THE DRAMA ITSELF and thereby become creators

and not victims and passive participants.

It is not easy, it is a major paradigm and ROLE shift but if you

trust me, know this -- it is possible to experience this. It is the

paradigm shift that moves you individually from being a reading-

seeker to becoming an astrologer.

Only two kinds of people are brought to astrology: those who are

suffering but feel astrology can help them, and those who know

astrology has helped them and now they are returning to the Universe

what they received. This happens over many lifetimes so sometimes

memories are not clear and even wiped out -- but the deep-inside

sense and calling is hard to miss. The third kind -- sceptics,

whether posing as interested-in-readings or even 'astrologers' are

not in the game of reality yet, but do not mock and shun them -- they

will join our club eventually!

It is okay to feel overwhelmed, and to react from time to time, our

of weariness, anger and even paranoia, but it is not okay to quit!

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> why find fault with the forum and probably the need and

importance of issues have to be really matter of concern for

associated with the group to respond and not to respond.I do not

agree if some one finds fault in this way.

> certainly there is lot of initiative in this regard in this forum

fornot giving the impression:"all the astrologyers are making the

full of the peoples who think they will help us"

> What how ever gets signified is the kind of "help"being sought

and for a kind of routine approach"why not we get"is not really

appreciated.Problem specific and advise sought makes issue more

interesting than that of plethora of the querents writing for general

issues

> krishnan

> Tanvir <ultimate@s...> wrote:

> Dear Ashutosh Ji

>

> Well said. This is very clearly mentioned in the forum and in the

welcome message that it is ALLOWED to seek free reading but it is not

PROMISED that we will handle each and every request. That is not

possible, nor the main objective of the forum.

>

> Some very ill mannered people come and behave that either this

forum is their personal property or they have employed the members

here to offer them free readings. Forgetting all them, we did not

even promise to offer them free readings. And that is very well

mentioned everywhere.

>

> In the beginning, since 2001, I used to offer free readings and

remedies. I kept doing that till 2003 I think, but gradually I saw

that people do not take your advice and go another forum asking same

question again. Otherwise, I contact some people after 3-4 months of

the reading to collect feedback for the remedies I suggested (for my

own research purpose) but they fail to answer me telling "WAGARA-

WAGARA" or just admit that they have not tried them. Ah... but they

do not look like that when they seek your free reading, they look so

sincere.

>

> Since that gradually I stopped giving free readings because people

MOST OF THE TIMES do not appreciate, or follow your suggestions. Yes

it is TRUE that some people try them sincerely as they are serious,

but they are VERY VERY FEW in numbers.

>

> Regards

> Tanvir

>

> What cannot happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

> Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving

remedies

> Where relief and solutions are found

>

> -

> astrologerashutosh

>

> Friday, November 25, 2005 11:22 AM

> Re: no response for any mails

>

> Dear Manish,

>

> There are at least 25 mails on the group

every day. Everyone who asks a question wants immediate answers. The

fact that no one is charging any fees for guidance through this group

is always ignored.

>

> Such complaints should be made when one has gone for paid

astrological consultations, not here where the members are taking

time out of their busy schedules to provide answers to people who can

otherwise easily afford professional consultations.

>

> No one is doing any favors by asking questions or by

giving astrological guidances, here. We are doing our bit for the

sake of progress of astrology.

>

> Ashutosh

>

-

> manish

>

> Friday, 25 November, 2005 10:34

> no response for any mails

>

> Dear Astro's,

>

> None of the mails are here replied back here all the

astrologyers are

> making the full of the peoples who think they will help us as a

good

> astrologyer but they all not doing the same.

>

> Please reply or close this group.

>

> Thanking you,

>

> Manish

>

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November 26, 2005

Dear Sir,

May be Our Shri Tanvir ji and Shri Mark will come to our rescue and help the

querrents to understand:"to take stock of where we are as individuals and as

collective SOUL".

It is true ofcourse,our badabhayee's advice is universal

I will certainly heed to what he desires to profess

krishnan

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