MBTI and its Father! WAS Mandi and Gulika

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A beautiful though sad example of misunderstandings on Internet :-)

I was referring to myself as "this poster" and not you! I dont know if

you noticed or not, but some individuals on this forum were

complaining about my writing here instead of giving readings, etc. To

those, my response to your email about MBTI etc might fall in the

non-astrological category- so I was encouraging them to avoid reading

my message.

 

Is the air clear between us? :-)

 

RR

 

, "astynaz" <astynaz> wrote:

>

>

> Hi,

>

> I know a lot about Carl Jung. I know that he started those concepts. I

> know that he was into Astrology and used it for psychological

> insights. Reading his stuff got me interested in Astrology.

>

>

> Why do you say that I need to be blocked? What in the world that I do

> wrong? I was trying to make a point that being a highly sensitive male

> doesn't equate to low self esteem or other psychological problems.

> Unfortunately, a lot of us do get unfairly labeled because of

> stereotypes. That's what happened to me. There are a lot of highly

> sensitive males that don't have those problems. I wanted to make a

> point that high sensitivity is not a bad thing. Because I was trying

> to make my points, I deserved to be blocked from others forever.

>

>

> I don't understand that at all.

>

> Ah well....being a highly sensitive male helps me to treat others like

> I want to be treated. I didn't offend anybody here. I was just trying

> to point that high sensitivity in males is not a bad thing.

>

>

>

>

> Peace

>

>

> Raymond

>

>

>

>

>

> , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

wrote:

> >

> > Raymond,

> >

> > Umm... err... you forgot to mention the original *rogue* who really

> > started it all before the mother and daughter and Kiersey got in to

> > the act -- and that rogue was more one of -us- than *them* if you

> > consider what he contributed to the glowing and glittering firmament

> > of psychology (many governments and industries now hire based on

> > psychology profiles, I kid you not!). He gave us, among other things

> > the concepts of:

> >

> > = Synchronicity <how more astrological can you get, dasha and transit?

> > >

> >

> > = extroversion, introversion and precursors for MBTI (16 types)--

> > kendras and hemispheres and more of all that ...

> >

> > = Archetypes <no further puritanical comments required, I hope,

> > jyotishis?>

> >

> > =Collective conscience/consciousness <karma written all over it,

> > right?>

> >

> > = Rebellion against earlier norms, status quo and earlier gurus even

> > one's own <that rings a few bells I hope, eh -- jyotishis?> ;-)

> >

> > and of course

> >

> > = Memories, Dreams and Reflections, the autobiography! He managed to

> > write it all in one go, one volume ;-)

> >

> > Carl Gustav Jung

> > 26 July 1875

> > 19:32 h LMT

> > Kesswil, Switzerland

> >

> > Rated 'A' by Rodden but there are a lot of other entries.

> > See record # 2835 in Astrodatabank if you have access to it (probably

> > also on their website).

> >

> > What brought this on?

> >

> > I attended an MBTI session yesterday (talk about *synchronicity*,

> > eh?). I was scored as an IJ by the sombre psychologists, one

> > extrovert the other introvert, by the way, but *pox on me* -- I

> > scored exactly fifty fifty on N and S and T and F! I was given a

> > choice -- an opportunity to be flexible and to be INTJ, ISTJ, INFJ,

> > ISFJ ... maybe there were a couple more four letter words that MBTI

> > et al could describe me by -- though all of them were a lot better

> > than what I have been getting recently on jyotish forums/fora lately,

> > overtly and covertly :-(

> >

> > Then they did a True Colours test and for those who are familiar with

> > this categorization -- guess which party I went to, first and then

> > the second one? Blue, Orange, Gold or Green?

> >

> > Man -- Jyotish is so much more direct and black and white ;-)

> >

> > Sorry if I am boring anyone who has no idea what is going on or

> > doesn't care! It is the KARMIC cue for them to make sure they block

> > this poster, for ever and for sure for sure! Now that is really abot

> > being disciplined, jyotishis!

> >

> > Peace!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > <PS: Sorry Krishnan dada, I do not want to confuse you and I hope you

> > are not following this thread, but this one really deserved its own

> > folder>

> >

> >

> >

> > , "astynaz" <astynaz>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I am also an INFP/INFJ according to Myers Briggs/Kiersey profiles.

> > > Those are the most sensitive people,and they are very intuitive and

> > > empathetic.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > f you find you are a highly sensitive person, or your child is, then

> > > you need to be aware of the following points:

> > >

> > > * This trait is normal--it is inherited by 15 to 20% of the

> > > population, and indeed the same percentage seems to be present in

> > all

> > > higher animals.

> > > * Being an HSP means your nervous system is more sensitive to

> > > subtleties. Your sight, hearing, and sense of smell are not

> > > necessarily keener (although they may be). But your brain processes

> > > information and reflects on it more deeply.

> > > * Being an HSP also means, necessarily, that you are more easily

> > > overstimulated, stressed out, overwhelmed.

> > > * This trait is not something new I discovered--it has been

> > > mislabeled as shyness (not an inherited trait), introversion (30% of

> > > HSPs are actually extraverts), inhibitedness, fearfulness, and the

> > > like. HSPs can be these, but none of these are the fundamental trait

> > > they have inherited.

> > > * The reason for these negative misnomers and general lack of

> > > research on the subject is that in this culture being tough and

> > > outgoing is the preferred or ideal personality--not high

> > sensitivity.

> > > (Therefore in the past the research focus has been on sensitivity's

> > > potential negative impact on sociability and boldness, not the

> > > phenomenon itself or its purpose.) This cultural bias affects HSPs

> > as

> > > much as their trait affects them, as I am sure you realize. Even

> > those

> > > who loved you probably told you, "don't be so sensitive," making you

> > > feel abnormal when in fact you could do nothing about it and it is

> > not

> > > abnormal at all.

> > >

> > > http://www.hsperson.com/

> > >

> > >

> > > the problem is that high sensitivity in males is frowned upon in

> > > society. They are often seen as weak,gay,sissy,and all kinds of

> > stupid

> > > crap. It's all bullcrap

> > >

> > > Ignorance is not bliss.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Raymond

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> > > http://www.hsperson.com/

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> > >

> > > , "astynaz" <astynaz>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Just because a person is highly sensitive male doesn't mean that

> > they

> > > > have a lot of anxieties and how low self esteem.

> > > >

> > > > There are a lot of highly sensitive males that don't have those

> > > > issues. They use their high sensitivity to be

> > > > empathic,compassionate,understanding and they can be involved in

> > the

> > > > healing arts and be nurturing. They can channel that sensitivity

> > into

> > > > music and stuff.

> > > >

> > > > High sensitivity is a natural trait is typically in people with

> > > > learning disorders like Dyslexia,Dyspraxia as well as conditions

> > like

> > > > AD/HD. High sensitivity is very common in the gifted. Giftedness

> > is

> > > > common in Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,and AD/HD.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > It seems that high sensitivity is viewed negatively in society in

> > > > India...especially if the high sensitivity is in males

> > > >

> > > > That's the damned problem in the friggen first place.

> > > >

> > > > Highly sensitive males are given a hard time because they don't

> > fit

> > > > the traditional male stereotype.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , vattem krishnan

> > > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir,

> > > > > "I am a highly sensitive male with voice"

> > > > > It sounds that lot of hesitations low self esteem and as you

> > have

> > > > already gone through sevral anxieties it is time there is nothing

> > to

> > > > worry about further.Pray to saturn.read navagraha stotras

> > regularly.of

> > > > possible moola mantras.After all life is all kind of ups and

> > > > owns.let's face.Nothing like a looser and it is win-win and

> > depends on

> > > > how we look at things as fixed due to karmas or improve through

> > > > different approach and be open for growth.

> > > > > krishnan

> > > > >

> > > > > astynaz <astynaz> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > My waxing moon aspects Gulika and Mandi, I guess that helps.

> > But Moon

> > > > > is my 12th house lord,and so that can be bad. My Mars aspects

> > Gulika

> > > > > and Mandi,and so that can be bad. But Mars is my 4th/9th house

> > > > > lord..hence my yoga karaka, and so that can be good.

> > > > >

> > > > > It looks like mixed results.

> > > > >

> > > > > I feel the bad results. I have had challenges in life. It

> > hasn't been

> > > > > an easy life. I had physical and emotional abuse from my

> > mom,and I had

> > > > > a controlling stepfather. I never knew my father who had drug

> > > > > problems. My mother is a recovering alcoholic and drug addict

> > with

> > > > > diabetes and Hepatitis B/C. She was also shot when I was 3

> > yrs,and I

> > > > > was with her at the time. Therefore she and I experienced

> > trauma. I

> > > > > never had a real girlfriend even though I would love to be

> > married one

> > > > > day. My Dyslexia,Dyspraxic symptoms were mistakened by

> > psychiatrists

> > > > > for psychotic symptoms. I have been constantly mistakened for

> > gay

> > > > > because I am a highly sensitive male with voice that sounds

> > feminine.

> > > > > I am actually androgenous in both looks and voice.

> > > > >

> > > > > I say negative karma has resulted in this life bigtime.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Raymond

> > > > >

> > > > > , vattem krishnan

> > > > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mr Astynaz,

> > > > > > As upgrahas, the role they play is connected with

> > fructification

> > > > > of results.if unaspected ny benifics,tend to give negative

> > results and

> > > > > reflect on deha,body problems and health.Since you are involved

> > with

> > > > > people probably may reduce negative effects.In all healing

> > practices

> > > > > what ever negative things come up(received) in healing also

> > need to

> > > > > be addressed by regular prayers.Pl also ensure mandi do not

> > bring in

> > > > > any disrepute and complications

> > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > astynaz <astynaz> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi all,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was wondering about Mandi and Gulika. I know that most

> > modern

> > > vedic

> > > > > > astrologers don't use them even though they are listed in the

> > > > classics.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I find them most intriguing because they are prominent in my

> > chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My Moon is in 9'42 Aquarius

> > > > > > My Gulika is in 10'42 Leo

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My Lagna is in 19'59 Leo

> > > > > > My Mandi is in 20'55 Leo

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As you can see both Mandi and Gulika are conjunct my Lagna

> > and Moon

> > > > > > respectively with 1 degree orb. That's very close conjunction

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I read that Mandi and Gulika are considered children of

> > Saturn and

> > > > > > that they have a Saturnian influence,and so they are

> > considered

> > > > > > malefics. I read that they are even more malefic than Saturn.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What are the exact influences of Moon-Mandi and Gulika-lagna

> > > aspects?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am not a bad person,and I don't want to hurt others. I am

> > even

> > > > > > trying to pursue a career in the holistic healing arts

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do have abnormalities that make me different from most

> > people

> > > which

> > > > > > are Auditory Dyslexia and Dyspraxia. Those conditions have to

> > do

> > > with

> > > > > > thinking outside the box,vivid imagination,mainly thinking in

> > > > > > pictures,strong 3-D visualization abilities,intuition,and

> > > empathy. My

> > > > > > experiences as a Dyslexic and Dyspraxic person have taught me

> > to

> > > treat

> > > > > > others like I want to be treated. I would like to work with

> > children

> > > > > > with special needs. My experiences as a Dyslexic and

> > Dyspraxic have

> > > > > > left me very insecure that I have had problems with anxiety

> > and

> > > > > > depression. I grew up feeling dumb and ugly.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was wondering if those things could be related to my strong

> > Gulika

> > > > > > and Mandi influences. My Moon is in Saturn's sign, Aquarius.

> > 4th/9th

> > > > > > house lord Mars conjuncts my Moon,and retrograde 6th/7th

> > house lord

> > > > > > Saturn in Taurus in 10th aspects the conjunction. My Moon is

> > the

> > > lord

> > > > > > of the 12th house and dispositor of my Ketu in Cancer in 12th

> > house.

> > > > > > My 5th/8th house lord Jupiter aspects Saturn and Ketu.

> > > > > > I do have a strong interest in spirituality. I am very

> > > openminded and

> > > > > > tolerant of others in general. I believe in treating people

> > like I

> > > > > > want to be treated as fellow human being and fellow soul. I

> > feel

> > > that

> > > > > > has a lot to do with my mixed

> > > > > > Black,Portuguese,English,German,French,Italian,German,Puerto

> > > > > > Rican,Jewish,and Native American ancestry as well as my

> > history as a

> > > > > > special education student ostracized by regular students

> > because my

> > > > > > Dyslexia,Dyspraxia were mistakened for mental retardation.

> > > > > > I gave up meat last May. I am lacto-ovo vegetarian now. I

> > want to

> > > > > > pursue holistic healing as a spiritual vocation. I feel that

> > caring

> > > > > > and healing others can be very spiritual. I have been working

> > on

> > > > > > getting myself healed. I don't see myself all the way

> > healed,and

> > > so I

> > > > > > haven't gotten a massage therapy job yet. I don't want to

> > > transfer my

> > > > > > negative energy to others. I need to get rid of my negative

> > feelings

> > > > > > of insecurity and low self esteem before I can go out in the

> > > world and

> > > > > > help others.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Raymond Andrews

> > > > > > San Francisco,CA

> > > > > > 3:20 AM

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> > > > > > Raymond

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