MBTI and its Father! WAS Mandi and Gulika

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Hi Rohini,

 

Oh I am sorry. That's the bad thing about Dyslexia , misunderstanding

and getting confused with words.

 

I don't see anything wrong with your posts. They are well informative.

Don't pay any mind to others.

 

Thanks for sharing the Jung stuff.

 

I am sorry that I misunderstood you.

 

 

Namaste

 

Raymond

 

 

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

>

> A beautiful though sad example of misunderstandings on Internet :-)

> I was referring to myself as "this poster" and not you! I dont know if

> you noticed or not, but some individuals on this forum were

> complaining about my writing here instead of giving readings, etc. To

> those, my response to your email about MBTI etc might fall in the

> non-astrological category- so I was encouraging them to avoid reading

> my message.

>

> Is the air clear between us? :-)

>

> RR

>

> , "astynaz" <astynaz> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I know a lot about Carl Jung. I know that he started those concepts. I

> > know that he was into Astrology and used it for psychological

> > insights. Reading his stuff got me interested in Astrology.

> >

> >

> > Why do you say that I need to be blocked? What in the world that I do

> > wrong? I was trying to make a point that being a highly sensitive male

> > doesn't equate to low self esteem or other psychological problems.

> > Unfortunately, a lot of us do get unfairly labeled because of

> > stereotypes. That's what happened to me. There are a lot of highly

> > sensitive males that don't have those problems. I wanted to make a

> > point that high sensitivity is not a bad thing. Because I was trying

> > to make my points, I deserved to be blocked from others forever.

> >

> >

> > I don't understand that at all.

> >

> > Ah well....being a highly sensitive male helps me to treat others like

> > I want to be treated. I didn't offend anybody here. I was just trying

> > to point that high sensitivity in males is not a bad thing.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Peace

> >

> >

> > Raymond

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Raymond,

> > >

> > > Umm... err... you forgot to mention the original *rogue* who really

> > > started it all before the mother and daughter and Kiersey got in to

> > > the act -- and that rogue was more one of -us- than *them* if you

> > > consider what he contributed to the glowing and glittering

firmament

> > > of psychology (many governments and industries now hire based on

> > > psychology profiles, I kid you not!). He gave us, among other

things

> > > the concepts of:

> > >

> > > = Synchronicity <how more astrological can you get, dasha and

transit?

> > > >

> > >

> > > = extroversion, introversion and precursors for MBTI (16 types)--

> > > kendras and hemispheres and more of all that ...

> > >

> > > = Archetypes <no further puritanical comments required, I hope,

> > > jyotishis?>

> > >

> > > =Collective conscience/consciousness <karma written all over it,

> > > right?>

> > >

> > > = Rebellion against earlier norms, status quo and earlier gurus

even

> > > one's own <that rings a few bells I hope, eh -- jyotishis?> ;-)

> > >

> > > and of course

> > >

> > > = Memories, Dreams and Reflections, the autobiography! He

managed to

> > > write it all in one go, one volume ;-)

> > >

> > > Carl Gustav Jung

> > > 26 July 1875

> > > 19:32 h LMT

> > > Kesswil, Switzerland

> > >

> > > Rated 'A' by Rodden but there are a lot of other entries.

> > > See record # 2835 in Astrodatabank if you have access to it

(probably

> > > also on their website).

> > >

> > > What brought this on?

> > >

> > > I attended an MBTI session yesterday (talk about *synchronicity*,

> > > eh?). I was scored as an IJ by the sombre psychologists, one

> > > extrovert the other introvert, by the way, but *pox on me* -- I

> > > scored exactly fifty fifty on N and S and T and F! I was given a

> > > choice -- an opportunity to be flexible and to be INTJ, ISTJ, INFJ,

> > > ISFJ ... maybe there were a couple more four letter words that MBTI

> > > et al could describe me by -- though all of them were a lot better

> > > than what I have been getting recently on jyotish forums/fora

lately,

> > > overtly and covertly :-(

> > >

> > > Then they did a True Colours test and for those who are familiar

with

> > > this categorization -- guess which party I went to, first and then

> > > the second one? Blue, Orange, Gold or Green?

> > >

> > > Man -- Jyotish is so much more direct and black and white ;-)

> > >

> > > Sorry if I am boring anyone who has no idea what is going on or

> > > doesn't care! It is the KARMIC cue for them to make sure they block

> > > this poster, for ever and for sure for sure! Now that is really

abot

> > > being disciplined, jyotishis!

> > >

> > > Peace!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > <PS: Sorry Krishnan dada, I do not want to confuse you and I

hope you

> > > are not following this thread, but this one really deserved its own

> > > folder>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "astynaz" <astynaz>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi,

> > > >

> > > > I am also an INFP/INFJ according to Myers Briggs/Kiersey

profiles.

> > > > Those are the most sensitive people,and they are very

intuitive and

> > > > empathetic.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > f you find you are a highly sensitive person, or your child

is, then

> > > > you need to be aware of the following points:

> > > >

> > > > * This trait is normal--it is inherited by 15 to 20% of the

> > > > population, and indeed the same percentage seems to be present in

> > > all

> > > > higher animals.

> > > > * Being an HSP means your nervous system is more sensitive to

> > > > subtleties. Your sight, hearing, and sense of smell are not

> > > > necessarily keener (although they may be). But your brain

processes

> > > > information and reflects on it more deeply.

> > > > * Being an HSP also means, necessarily, that you are more

easily

> > > > overstimulated, stressed out, overwhelmed.

> > > > * This trait is not something new I discovered--it has been

> > > > mislabeled as shyness (not an inherited trait), introversion

(30% of

> > > > HSPs are actually extraverts), inhibitedness, fearfulness, and the

> > > > like. HSPs can be these, but none of these are the fundamental

trait

> > > > they have inherited.

> > > > * The reason for these negative misnomers and general lack of

> > > > research on the subject is that in this culture being tough and

> > > > outgoing is the preferred or ideal personality--not high

> > > sensitivity.

> > > > (Therefore in the past the research focus has been on

sensitivity's

> > > > potential negative impact on sociability and boldness, not the

> > > > phenomenon itself or its purpose.) This cultural bias affects

HSPs

> > > as

> > > > much as their trait affects them, as I am sure you realize. Even

> > > those

> > > > who loved you probably told you, "don't be so sensitive,"

making you

> > > > feel abnormal when in fact you could do nothing about it and

it is

> > > not

> > > > abnormal at all.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.hsperson.com/

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > the problem is that high sensitivity in males is frowned upon in

> > > > society. They are often seen as weak,gay,sissy,and all kinds of

> > > stupid

> > > > crap. It's all bullcrap

> > > >

> > > > Ignorance is not bliss.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Raymond

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> > > > http://www.hsperson.com/

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> > > >

> > > > , "astynaz" <astynaz>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Just because a person is highly sensitive male doesn't mean

that

> > > they

> > > > > have a lot of anxieties and how low self esteem.

> > > > >

> > > > > There are a lot of highly sensitive males that don't have those

> > > > > issues. They use their high sensitivity to be

> > > > > empathic,compassionate,understanding and they can be

involved in

> > > the

> > > > > healing arts and be nurturing. They can channel that

sensitivity

> > > into

> > > > > music and stuff.

> > > > >

> > > > > High sensitivity is a natural trait is typically in people with

> > > > > learning disorders like Dyslexia,Dyspraxia as well as

conditions

> > > like

> > > > > AD/HD. High sensitivity is very common in the gifted.

Giftedness

> > > is

> > > > > common in Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,and AD/HD.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > It seems that high sensitivity is viewed negatively in

society in

> > > > > India...especially if the high sensitivity is in males

> > > > >

> > > > > That's the damned problem in the friggen first place.

> > > > >

> > > > > Highly sensitive males are given a hard time because they don't

> > > fit

> > > > > the traditional male stereotype.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , vattem krishnan

> > > > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > "I am a highly sensitive male with voice"

> > > > > > It sounds that lot of hesitations low self esteem and as

you

> > > have

> > > > > already gone through sevral anxieties it is time there is

nothing

> > > to

> > > > > worry about further.Pray to saturn.read navagraha stotras

> > > regularly.of

> > > > > possible moola mantras.After all life is all kind of ups and

> > > > > owns.let's face.Nothing like a looser and it is win-win and

> > > depends on

> > > > > how we look at things as fixed due to karmas or improve through

> > > > > different approach and be open for growth.

> > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > astynaz <astynaz> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My waxing moon aspects Gulika and Mandi, I guess that helps.

> > > But Moon

> > > > > > is my 12th house lord,and so that can be bad. My Mars

aspects

> > > Gulika

> > > > > > and Mandi,and so that can be bad. But Mars is my 4th/9th house

> > > > > > lord..hence my yoga karaka, and so that can be good.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It looks like mixed results.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I feel the bad results. I have had challenges in life. It

> > > hasn't been

> > > > > > an easy life. I had physical and emotional abuse from my

> > > mom,and I had

> > > > > > a controlling stepfather. I never knew my father who had drug

> > > > > > problems. My mother is a recovering alcoholic and drug addict

> > > with

> > > > > > diabetes and Hepatitis B/C. She was also shot when I was 3

> > > yrs,and I

> > > > > > was with her at the time. Therefore she and I experienced

> > > trauma. I

> > > > > > never had a real girlfriend even though I would love to be

> > > married one

> > > > > > day. My Dyslexia,Dyspraxic symptoms were mistakened by

> > > psychiatrists

> > > > > > for psychotic symptoms. I have been constantly mistakened for

> > > gay

> > > > > > because I am a highly sensitive male with voice that sounds

> > > feminine.

> > > > > > I am actually androgenous in both looks and voice.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I say negative karma has resulted in this life bigtime.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Raymond

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , vattem krishnan

> > > > > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Mr Astynaz,

> > > > > > > As upgrahas, the role they play is connected with

> > > fructification

> > > > > > of results.if unaspected ny benifics,tend to give negative

> > > results and

> > > > > > reflect on deha,body problems and health.Since you are

involved

> > > with

> > > > > > people probably may reduce negative effects.In all healing

> > > practices

> > > > > > what ever negative things come up(received) in healing also

> > > need to

> > > > > > be addressed by regular prayers.Pl also ensure mandi do not

> > > bring in

> > > > > > any disrepute and complications

> > > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > astynaz <astynaz> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi all,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I was wondering about Mandi and Gulika. I know that most

> > > modern

> > > > vedic

> > > > > > > astrologers don't use them even though they are listed

in the

> > > > > classics.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I find them most intriguing because they are prominent

in my

> > > chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My Moon is in 9'42 Aquarius

> > > > > > > My Gulika is in 10'42 Leo

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My Lagna is in 19'59 Leo

> > > > > > > My Mandi is in 20'55 Leo

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As you can see both Mandi and Gulika are conjunct my Lagna

> > > and Moon

> > > > > > > respectively with 1 degree orb. That's very close

conjunction

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I read that Mandi and Gulika are considered children of

> > > Saturn and

> > > > > > > that they have a Saturnian influence,and so they are

> > > considered

> > > > > > > malefics. I read that they are even more malefic than

Saturn.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What are the exact influences of Moon-Mandi and Gulika-lagna

> > > > aspects?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am not a bad person,and I don't want to hurt others.

I am

> > > even

> > > > > > > trying to pursue a career in the holistic healing arts

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I do have abnormalities that make me different from most

> > > people

> > > > which

> > > > > > > are Auditory Dyslexia and Dyspraxia. Those conditions

have to

> > > do

> > > > with

> > > > > > > thinking outside the box,vivid imagination,mainly

thinking in

> > > > > > > pictures,strong 3-D visualization abilities,intuition,and

> > > > empathy. My

> > > > > > > experiences as a Dyslexic and Dyspraxic person have

taught me

> > > to

> > > > treat

> > > > > > > others like I want to be treated. I would like to work with

> > > children

> > > > > > > with special needs. My experiences as a Dyslexic and

> > > Dyspraxic have

> > > > > > > left me very insecure that I have had problems with anxiety

> > > and

> > > > > > > depression. I grew up feeling dumb and ugly.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I was wondering if those things could be related to my

strong

> > > Gulika

> > > > > > > and Mandi influences. My Moon is in Saturn's sign,

Aquarius.

> > > 4th/9th

> > > > > > > house lord Mars conjuncts my Moon,and retrograde 6th/7th

> > > house lord

> > > > > > > Saturn in Taurus in 10th aspects the conjunction. My

Moon is

> > > the

> > > > lord

> > > > > > > of the 12th house and dispositor of my Ketu in Cancer in

12th

> > > house.

> > > > > > > My 5th/8th house lord Jupiter aspects Saturn and Ketu.

> > > > > > > I do have a strong interest in spirituality. I am very

> > > > openminded and

> > > > > > > tolerant of others in general. I believe in treating people

> > > like I

> > > > > > > want to be treated as fellow human being and fellow soul. I

> > > feel

> > > > that

> > > > > > > has a lot to do with my mixed

> > > > > > > Black,Portuguese,English,German,French,Italian,German,Puerto

> > > > > > > Rican,Jewish,and Native American ancestry as well as my

> > > history as a

> > > > > > > special education student ostracized by regular students

> > > because my

> > > > > > > Dyslexia,Dyspraxia were mistakened for mental retardation.

> > > > > > > I gave up meat last May. I am lacto-ovo vegetarian now. I

> > > want to

> > > > > > > pursue holistic healing as a spiritual vocation. I feel

that

> > > caring

> > > > > > > and healing others can be very spiritual. I have been

working

> > > on

> > > > > > > getting myself healed. I don't see myself all the way

> > > healed,and

> > > > so I

> > > > > > > haven't gotten a massage therapy job yet. I don't want to

> > > > transfer my

> > > > > > > negative energy to others. I need to get rid of my negative

> > > feelings

> > > > > > > of insecurity and low self esteem before I can go out in the

> > > > world and

> > > > > > > help others.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Raymond Andrews

> > > > > > > San Francisco,CA

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