MBTI and its Father! WAS Mandi and Gulika

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Hi,

 

I know a lot about Carl Jung. I know that he started those concepts. I

know that he was into Astrology and used it for psychological

insights. Reading his stuff got me interested in Astrology.

 

 

Why do you say that I need to be blocked? What in the world that I do

wrong? I was trying to make a point that being a highly sensitive male

doesn't equate to low self esteem or other psychological problems.

Unfortunately, a lot of us do get unfairly labeled because of

stereotypes. That's what happened to me. There are a lot of highly

sensitive males that don't have those problems. I wanted to make a

point that high sensitivity is not a bad thing. Because I was trying

to make my points, I deserved to be blocked from others forever.

 

 

I don't understand that at all.

 

Ah well....being a highly sensitive male helps me to treat others like

I want to be treated. I didn't offend anybody here. I was just trying

to point that high sensitivity in males is not a bad thing.

 

 

 

 

Peace

 

 

Raymond

 

 

 

 

 

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

>

> Raymond,

>

> Umm... err... you forgot to mention the original *rogue* who really

> started it all before the mother and daughter and Kiersey got in to

> the act -- and that rogue was more one of -us- than *them* if you

> consider what he contributed to the glowing and glittering firmament

> of psychology (many governments and industries now hire based on

> psychology profiles, I kid you not!). He gave us, among other things

> the concepts of:

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> = Synchronicity <how more astrological can you get, dasha and transit?

> >

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> = extroversion, introversion and precursors for MBTI (16 types)--

> kendras and hemispheres and more of all that ...

>

> = Archetypes <no further puritanical comments required, I hope,

> jyotishis?>

>

> =Collective conscience/consciousness <karma written all over it,

> right?>

>

> = Rebellion against earlier norms, status quo and earlier gurus even

> one's own <that rings a few bells I hope, eh -- jyotishis?> ;-)

>

> and of course

>

> = Memories, Dreams and Reflections, the autobiography! He managed to

> write it all in one go, one volume ;-)

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> Carl Gustav Jung

> 26 July 1875

> 19:32 h LMT

> Kesswil, Switzerland

>

> Rated 'A' by Rodden but there are a lot of other entries.

> See record # 2835 in Astrodatabank if you have access to it (probably

> also on their website).

>

> What brought this on?

>

> I attended an MBTI session yesterday (talk about *synchronicity*,

> eh?). I was scored as an IJ by the sombre psychologists, one

> extrovert the other introvert, by the way, but *pox on me* -- I

> scored exactly fifty fifty on N and S and T and F! I was given a

> choice -- an opportunity to be flexible and to be INTJ, ISTJ, INFJ,

> ISFJ ... maybe there were a couple more four letter words that MBTI

> et al could describe me by -- though all of them were a lot better

> than what I have been getting recently on jyotish forums/fora lately,

> overtly and covertly :-(

>

> Then they did a True Colours test and for those who are familiar with

> this categorization -- guess which party I went to, first and then

> the second one? Blue, Orange, Gold or Green?

>

> Man -- Jyotish is so much more direct and black and white ;-)

>

> Sorry if I am boring anyone who has no idea what is going on or

> doesn't care! It is the KARMIC cue for them to make sure they block

> this poster, for ever and for sure for sure! Now that is really abot

> being disciplined, jyotishis!

>

> Peace!

>

> RR

>

> <PS: Sorry Krishnan dada, I do not want to confuse you and I hope you

> are not following this thread, but this one really deserved its own

> folder>

>

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> , "astynaz" <astynaz>

> wrote:

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> > Hi,

> >

> > I am also an INFP/INFJ according to Myers Briggs/Kiersey profiles.

> > Those are the most sensitive people,and they are very intuitive and

> > empathetic.

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> > f you find you are a highly sensitive person, or your child is, then

> > you need to be aware of the following points:

> >

> > * This trait is normal--it is inherited by 15 to 20% of the

> > population, and indeed the same percentage seems to be present in

> all

> > higher animals.

> > * Being an HSP means your nervous system is more sensitive to

> > subtleties. Your sight, hearing, and sense of smell are not

> > necessarily keener (although they may be). But your brain processes

> > information and reflects on it more deeply.

> > * Being an HSP also means, necessarily, that you are more easily

> > overstimulated, stressed out, overwhelmed.

> > * This trait is not something new I discovered--it has been

> > mislabeled as shyness (not an inherited trait), introversion (30% of

> > HSPs are actually extraverts), inhibitedness, fearfulness, and the

> > like. HSPs can be these, but none of these are the fundamental trait

> > they have inherited.

> > * The reason for these negative misnomers and general lack of

> > research on the subject is that in this culture being tough and

> > outgoing is the preferred or ideal personality--not high

> sensitivity.

> > (Therefore in the past the research focus has been on sensitivity's

> > potential negative impact on sociability and boldness, not the

> > phenomenon itself or its purpose.) This cultural bias affects HSPs

> as

> > much as their trait affects them, as I am sure you realize. Even

> those

> > who loved you probably told you, "don't be so sensitive," making you

> > feel abnormal when in fact you could do nothing about it and it is

> not

> > abnormal at all.

> >

> > http://www.hsperson.com/

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> >

> > the problem is that high sensitivity in males is frowned upon in

> > society. They are often seen as weak,gay,sissy,and all kinds of

> stupid

> > crap. It's all bullcrap

> >

> > Ignorance is not bliss.

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> > , "astynaz" <astynaz>

> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Just because a person is highly sensitive male doesn't mean that

> they

> > > have a lot of anxieties and how low self esteem.

> > >

> > > There are a lot of highly sensitive males that don't have those

> > > issues. They use their high sensitivity to be

> > > empathic,compassionate,understanding and they can be involved in

> the

> > > healing arts and be nurturing. They can channel that sensitivity

> into

> > > music and stuff.

> > >

> > > High sensitivity is a natural trait is typically in people with

> > > learning disorders like Dyslexia,Dyspraxia as well as conditions

> like

> > > AD/HD. High sensitivity is very common in the gifted. Giftedness

> is

> > > common in Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,and AD/HD.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > It seems that high sensitivity is viewed negatively in society in

> > > India...especially if the high sensitivity is in males

> > >

> > > That's the damned problem in the friggen first place.

> > >

> > > Highly sensitive males are given a hard time because they don't

> fit

> > > the traditional male stereotype.

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> > >

> > > , vattem krishnan

> > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Sir,

> > > > "I am a highly sensitive male with voice"

> > > > It sounds that lot of hesitations low self esteem and as you

> have

> > > already gone through sevral anxieties it is time there is nothing

> to

> > > worry about further.Pray to saturn.read navagraha stotras

> regularly.of

> > > possible moola mantras.After all life is all kind of ups and

> > > owns.let's face.Nothing like a looser and it is win-win and

> depends on

> > > how we look at things as fixed due to karmas or improve through

> > > different approach and be open for growth.

> > > > krishnan

> > > >

> > > > astynaz <astynaz> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > My waxing moon aspects Gulika and Mandi, I guess that helps.

> But Moon

> > > > is my 12th house lord,and so that can be bad. My Mars aspects

> Gulika

> > > > and Mandi,and so that can be bad. But Mars is my 4th/9th house

> > > > lord..hence my yoga karaka, and so that can be good.

> > > >

> > > > It looks like mixed results.

> > > >

> > > > I feel the bad results. I have had challenges in life. It

> hasn't been

> > > > an easy life. I had physical and emotional abuse from my

> mom,and I had

> > > > a controlling stepfather. I never knew my father who had drug

> > > > problems. My mother is a recovering alcoholic and drug addict

> with

> > > > diabetes and Hepatitis B/C. She was also shot when I was 3

> yrs,and I

> > > > was with her at the time. Therefore she and I experienced

> trauma. I

> > > > never had a real girlfriend even though I would love to be

> married one

> > > > day. My Dyslexia,Dyspraxic symptoms were mistakened by

> psychiatrists

> > > > for psychotic symptoms. I have been constantly mistakened for

> gay

> > > > because I am a highly sensitive male with voice that sounds

> feminine.

> > > > I am actually androgenous in both looks and voice.

> > > >

> > > > I say negative karma has resulted in this life bigtime.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Raymond

> > > >

> > > > , vattem krishnan

> > > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mr Astynaz,

> > > > > As upgrahas, the role they play is connected with

> fructification

> > > > of results.if unaspected ny benifics,tend to give negative

> results and

> > > > reflect on deha,body problems and health.Since you are involved

> with

> > > > people probably may reduce negative effects.In all healing

> practices

> > > > what ever negative things come up(received) in healing also

> need to

> > > > be addressed by regular prayers.Pl also ensure mandi do not

> bring in

> > > > any disrepute and complications

> > > > > krishnan

> > > > >

> > > > > astynaz <astynaz> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi all,

> > > > >

> > > > > I was wondering about Mandi and Gulika. I know that most

> modern

> > vedic

> > > > > astrologers don't use them even though they are listed in the

> > > classics.

> > > > >

> > > > > I find them most intriguing because they are prominent in my

> chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > My Moon is in 9'42 Aquarius

> > > > > My Gulika is in 10'42 Leo

> > > > >

> > > > > My Lagna is in 19'59 Leo

> > > > > My Mandi is in 20'55 Leo

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > As you can see both Mandi and Gulika are conjunct my Lagna

> and Moon

> > > > > respectively with 1 degree orb. That's very close conjunction

> > > > >

> > > > > I read that Mandi and Gulika are considered children of

> Saturn and

> > > > > that they have a Saturnian influence,and so they are

> considered

> > > > > malefics. I read that they are even more malefic than Saturn.

> > > > >

> > > > > What are the exact influences of Moon-Mandi and Gulika-lagna

> > aspects?

> > > > >

> > > > > I am not a bad person,and I don't want to hurt others. I am

> even

> > > > > trying to pursue a career in the holistic healing arts

> > > > >

> > > > > I do have abnormalities that make me different from most

> people

> > which

> > > > > are Auditory Dyslexia and Dyspraxia. Those conditions have to

> do

> > with

> > > > > thinking outside the box,vivid imagination,mainly thinking in

> > > > > pictures,strong 3-D visualization abilities,intuition,and

> > empathy. My

> > > > > experiences as a Dyslexic and Dyspraxic person have taught me

> to

> > treat

> > > > > others like I want to be treated. I would like to work with

> children

> > > > > with special needs. My experiences as a Dyslexic and

> Dyspraxic have

> > > > > left me very insecure that I have had problems with anxiety

> and

> > > > > depression. I grew up feeling dumb and ugly.

> > > > >

> > > > > I was wondering if those things could be related to my strong

> Gulika

> > > > > and Mandi influences. My Moon is in Saturn's sign, Aquarius.

> 4th/9th

> > > > > house lord Mars conjuncts my Moon,and retrograde 6th/7th

> house lord

> > > > > Saturn in Taurus in 10th aspects the conjunction. My Moon is

> the

> > lord

> > > > > of the 12th house and dispositor of my Ketu in Cancer in 12th

> house.

> > > > > My 5th/8th house lord Jupiter aspects Saturn and Ketu.

> > > > > I do have a strong interest in spirituality. I am very

> > openminded and

> > > > > tolerant of others in general. I believe in treating people

> like I

> > > > > want to be treated as fellow human being and fellow soul. I

> feel

> > that

> > > > > has a lot to do with my mixed

> > > > > Black,Portuguese,English,German,French,Italian,German,Puerto

> > > > > Rican,Jewish,and Native American ancestry as well as my

> history as a

> > > > > special education student ostracized by regular students

> because my

> > > > > Dyslexia,Dyspraxia were mistakened for mental retardation.

> > > > > I gave up meat last May. I am lacto-ovo vegetarian now. I

> want to

> > > > > pursue holistic healing as a spiritual vocation. I feel that

> caring

> > > > > and healing others can be very spiritual. I have been working

> on

> > > > > getting myself healed. I don't see myself all the way

> healed,and

> > so I

> > > > > haven't gotten a massage therapy job yet. I don't want to

> > transfer my

> > > > > negative energy to others. I need to get rid of my negative

> feelings

> > > > > of insecurity and low self esteem before I can go out in the

> > world and

> > > > > help others.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Raymond Andrews

> > > > > San Francisco,CA

> > > > > 3:20 AM

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