MBTI and its Father! WAS Mandi and Gulika

[Guest guest]

Raymond,

 

Umm... err... you forgot to mention the original *rogue* who really

started it all before the mother and daughter and Kiersey got in to

the act -- and that rogue was more one of -us- than *them* if you

consider what he contributed to the glowing and glittering firmament

of psychology (many governments and industries now hire based on

psychology profiles, I kid you not!). He gave us, among other things

the concepts of:

 

= Synchronicity <how more astrological can you get, dasha and transit?

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= extroversion, introversion and precursors for MBTI (16 types)--

kendras and hemispheres and more of all that ...

 

= Archetypes <no further puritanical comments required, I hope,

jyotishis?>

 

=Collective conscience/consciousness <karma written all over it,

right?>

 

= Rebellion against earlier norms, status quo and earlier gurus even

one's own <that rings a few bells I hope, eh -- jyotishis?> ;-)

 

and of course

 

= Memories, Dreams and Reflections, the autobiography! He managed to

write it all in one go, one volume ;-)

 

Carl Gustav Jung

26 July 1875

19:32 h LMT

Kesswil, Switzerland

 

Rated 'A' by Rodden but there are a lot of other entries.

See record # 2835 in Astrodatabank if you have access to it (probably

also on their website).

 

What brought this on?

 

I attended an MBTI session yesterday (talk about *synchronicity*,

eh?). I was scored as an IJ by the sombre psychologists, one

extrovert the other introvert, by the way, but *pox on me* -- I

scored exactly fifty fifty on N and S and T and F! I was given a

choice -- an opportunity to be flexible and to be INTJ, ISTJ, INFJ,

ISFJ ... maybe there were a couple more four letter words that MBTI

et al could describe me by -- though all of them were a lot better

than what I have been getting recently on jyotish forums/fora lately,

overtly and covertly :-(

 

Then they did a True Colours test and for those who are familiar with

this categorization -- guess which party I went to, first and then

the second one? Blue, Orange, Gold or Green?

 

Man -- Jyotish is so much more direct and black and white ;-)

 

Sorry if I am boring anyone who has no idea what is going on or

doesn't care! It is the KARMIC cue for them to make sure they block

this poster, for ever and for sure for sure! Now that is really abot

being disciplined, jyotishis!

 

Peace!

 

RR

 

<PS: Sorry Krishnan dada, I do not want to confuse you and I hope you

are not following this thread, but this one really deserved its own

folder>

 

 

 

, "astynaz" <astynaz>

wrote:

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> Hi,

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> I am also an INFP/INFJ according to Myers Briggs/Kiersey profiles.

> Those are the most sensitive people,and they are very intuitive and

> empathetic.

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> f you find you are a highly sensitive person, or your child is, then

> you need to be aware of the following points:

>

> * This trait is normal--it is inherited by 15 to 20% of the

> population, and indeed the same percentage seems to be present in

all

> higher animals.

> * Being an HSP means your nervous system is more sensitive to

> subtleties. Your sight, hearing, and sense of smell are not

> necessarily keener (although they may be). But your brain processes

> information and reflects on it more deeply.

> * Being an HSP also means, necessarily, that you are more easily

> overstimulated, stressed out, overwhelmed.

> * This trait is not something new I discovered--it has been

> mislabeled as shyness (not an inherited trait), introversion (30% of

> HSPs are actually extraverts), inhibitedness, fearfulness, and the

> like. HSPs can be these, but none of these are the fundamental trait

> they have inherited.

> * The reason for these negative misnomers and general lack of

> research on the subject is that in this culture being tough and

> outgoing is the preferred or ideal personality--not high

sensitivity.

> (Therefore in the past the research focus has been on sensitivity's

> potential negative impact on sociability and boldness, not the

> phenomenon itself or its purpose.) This cultural bias affects HSPs

as

> much as their trait affects them, as I am sure you realize. Even

those

> who loved you probably told you, "don't be so sensitive," making you

> feel abnormal when in fact you could do nothing about it and it is

not

> abnormal at all.

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> http://www.hsperson.com/

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> the problem is that high sensitivity in males is frowned upon in

> society. They are often seen as weak,gay,sissy,and all kinds of

stupid

> crap. It's all bullcrap

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> Ignorance is not bliss.

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, "astynaz" <astynaz>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > Just because a person is highly sensitive male doesn't mean that

they

> > have a lot of anxieties and how low self esteem.

> >

> > There are a lot of highly sensitive males that don't have those

> > issues. They use their high sensitivity to be

> > empathic,compassionate,understanding and they can be involved in

the

> > healing arts and be nurturing. They can channel that sensitivity

into

> > music and stuff.

> >

> > High sensitivity is a natural trait is typically in people with

> > learning disorders like Dyslexia,Dyspraxia as well as conditions

like

> > AD/HD. High sensitivity is very common in the gifted. Giftedness

is

> > common in Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,and AD/HD.

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> >

> > It seems that high sensitivity is viewed negatively in society in

> > India...especially if the high sensitivity is in males

> >

> > That's the damned problem in the friggen first place.

> >

> > Highly sensitive males are given a hard time because they don't

fit

> > the traditional male stereotype.

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> > , vattem krishnan

> > <bursar_99> wrote:

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> > > Sir,

> > > "I am a highly sensitive male with voice"

> > > It sounds that lot of hesitations low self esteem and as you

have

> > already gone through sevral anxieties it is time there is nothing

to

> > worry about further.Pray to saturn.read navagraha stotras

regularly.of

> > possible moola mantras.After all life is all kind of ups and

> > owns.let's face.Nothing like a looser and it is win-win and

depends on

> > how we look at things as fixed due to karmas or improve through

> > different approach and be open for growth.

> > > krishnan

> > >

> > > astynaz <astynaz> wrote:

> > >

> > > My waxing moon aspects Gulika and Mandi, I guess that helps.

But Moon

> > > is my 12th house lord,and so that can be bad. My Mars aspects

Gulika

> > > and Mandi,and so that can be bad. But Mars is my 4th/9th house

> > > lord..hence my yoga karaka, and so that can be good.

> > >

> > > It looks like mixed results.

> > >

> > > I feel the bad results. I have had challenges in life. It

hasn't been

> > > an easy life. I had physical and emotional abuse from my

mom,and I had

> > > a controlling stepfather. I never knew my father who had drug

> > > problems. My mother is a recovering alcoholic and drug addict

with

> > > diabetes and Hepatitis B/C. She was also shot when I was 3

yrs,and I

> > > was with her at the time. Therefore she and I experienced

trauma. I

> > > never had a real girlfriend even though I would love to be

married one

> > > day. My Dyslexia,Dyspraxic symptoms were mistakened by

psychiatrists

> > > for psychotic symptoms. I have been constantly mistakened for

gay

> > > because I am a highly sensitive male with voice that sounds

feminine.

> > > I am actually androgenous in both looks and voice.

> > >

> > > I say negative karma has resulted in this life bigtime.

> > >

> > >

> > > Raymond

> > >

> > > , vattem krishnan

> > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr Astynaz,

> > > > As upgrahas, the role they play is connected with

fructification

> > > of results.if unaspected ny benifics,tend to give negative

results and

> > > reflect on deha,body problems and health.Since you are involved

with

> > > people probably may reduce negative effects.In all healing

practices

> > > what ever negative things come up(received) in healing also

need to

> > > be addressed by regular prayers.Pl also ensure mandi do not

bring in

> > > any disrepute and complications

> > > > krishnan

> > > >

> > > > astynaz <astynaz> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi all,

> > > >

> > > > I was wondering about Mandi and Gulika. I know that most

modern

> vedic

> > > > astrologers don't use them even though they are listed in the

> > classics.

> > > >

> > > > I find them most intriguing because they are prominent in my

chart.

> > > >

> > > > My Moon is in 9'42 Aquarius

> > > > My Gulika is in 10'42 Leo

> > > >

> > > > My Lagna is in 19'59 Leo

> > > > My Mandi is in 20'55 Leo

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > As you can see both Mandi and Gulika are conjunct my Lagna

and Moon

> > > > respectively with 1 degree orb. That's very close conjunction

> > > >

> > > > I read that Mandi and Gulika are considered children of

Saturn and

> > > > that they have a Saturnian influence,and so they are

considered

> > > > malefics. I read that they are even more malefic than Saturn.

> > > >

> > > > What are the exact influences of Moon-Mandi and Gulika-lagna

> aspects?

> > > >

> > > > I am not a bad person,and I don't want to hurt others. I am

even

> > > > trying to pursue a career in the holistic healing arts

> > > >

> > > > I do have abnormalities that make me different from most

people

> which

> > > > are Auditory Dyslexia and Dyspraxia. Those conditions have to

do

> with

> > > > thinking outside the box,vivid imagination,mainly thinking in

> > > > pictures,strong 3-D visualization abilities,intuition,and

> empathy. My

> > > > experiences as a Dyslexic and Dyspraxic person have taught me

to

> treat

> > > > others like I want to be treated. I would like to work with

children

> > > > with special needs. My experiences as a Dyslexic and

Dyspraxic have

> > > > left me very insecure that I have had problems with anxiety

and

> > > > depression. I grew up feeling dumb and ugly.

> > > >

> > > > I was wondering if those things could be related to my strong

Gulika

> > > > and Mandi influences. My Moon is in Saturn's sign, Aquarius.

4th/9th

> > > > house lord Mars conjuncts my Moon,and retrograde 6th/7th

house lord

> > > > Saturn in Taurus in 10th aspects the conjunction. My Moon is

the

> lord

> > > > of the 12th house and dispositor of my Ketu in Cancer in 12th

house.

> > > > My 5th/8th house lord Jupiter aspects Saturn and Ketu.

> > > > I do have a strong interest in spirituality. I am very

> openminded and

> > > > tolerant of others in general. I believe in treating people

like I

> > > > want to be treated as fellow human being and fellow soul. I

feel

> that

> > > > has a lot to do with my mixed

> > > > Black,Portuguese,English,German,French,Italian,German,Puerto

> > > > Rican,Jewish,and Native American ancestry as well as my

history as a

> > > > special education student ostracized by regular students

because my

> > > > Dyslexia,Dyspraxia were mistakened for mental retardation.

> > > > I gave up meat last May. I am lacto-ovo vegetarian now. I

want to

> > > > pursue holistic healing as a spiritual vocation. I feel that

caring

> > > > and healing others can be very spiritual. I have been working

on

> > > > getting myself healed. I don't see myself all the way

healed,and

> so I

> > > > haven't gotten a massage therapy job yet. I don't want to

> transfer my

> > > > negative energy to others. I need to get rid of my negative

feelings

> > > > of insecurity and low self esteem before I can go out in the

> world and

> > > > help others.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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> > > >

> > > > Raymond Andrews

> > > > San Francisco,CA

> > > > 3:20 AM

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