Guest guest Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Hi all, I was wondering about Mandi and Gulika. I know that most modern vedic astrologers don't use them even though they are listed in the classics. I find them most intriguing because they are prominent in my chart. My Moon is in 9'42 Aquarius My Gulika is in 10'42 Leo My Lagna is in 19'59 Leo My Mandi is in 20'55 Leo As you can see both Mandi and Gulika are conjunct my Lagna and Moon respectively with 1 degree orb. That's very close conjunction I read that Mandi and Gulika are considered children of Saturn and that they have a Saturnian influence,and so they are considered malefics. I read that they are even more malefic than Saturn. What are the exact influences of Moon-Mandi and Gulika-lagna aspects? I am not a bad person,and I don't want to hurt others. I am even trying to pursue a career in the holistic healing arts I do have abnormalities that make me different from most people which are Auditory Dyslexia and Dyspraxia. Those conditions have to do with thinking outside the box,vivid imagination,mainly thinking in pictures,strong 3-D visualization abilities,intuition,and empathy. My experiences as a Dyslexic and Dyspraxic person have taught me to treat others like I want to be treated. I would like to work with children with special needs. My experiences as a Dyslexic and Dyspraxic have left me very insecure that I have had problems with anxiety and depression. I grew up feeling dumb and ugly. I was wondering if those things could be related to my strong Gulika and Mandi influences. My Moon is in Saturn's sign, Aquarius. 4th/9th house lord Mars conjuncts my Moon,and retrograde 6th/7th house lord Saturn in Taurus in 10th aspects the conjunction. My Moon is the lord of the 12th house and dispositor of my Ketu in Cancer in 12th house. My 5th/8th house lord Jupiter aspects Saturn and Ketu. I do have a strong interest in spirituality. I am very openminded and tolerant of others in general. I believe in treating people like I want to be treated as fellow human being and fellow soul. I feel that has a lot to do with my mixed Black,Portuguese,English,German,French,Italian,German,Puerto Rican,Jewish,and Native American ancestry as well as my history as a special education student ostracized by regular students because my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia were mistakened for mental retardation. I gave up meat last May. I am lacto-ovo vegetarian now. I want to pursue holistic healing as a spiritual vocation. I feel that caring and healing others can be very spiritual. I have been working on getting myself healed. I don't see myself all the way healed,and so I haven't gotten a massage therapy job yet. I don't want to transfer my negative energy to others. I need to get rid of my negative feelings of insecurity and low self esteem before I can go out in the world and help others. Raymond Andrews San Francisco,CA 3:20 AM Raymond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 > What are the exact influences of Moon-Mandi and Gulika-lagna aspects? I meant: what are the exact influences of Moon-Gulika and Mandi-lagna aspects? sorry for the mistake Raymond , "astynaz" <astynaz> wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > I was wondering about Mandi and Gulika. I know that most modern vedic > astrologers don't use them even though they are listed in the classics. > > I find them most intriguing because they are prominent in my chart. > > My Moon is in 9'42 Aquarius > My Gulika is in 10'42 Leo > > My Lagna is in 19'59 Leo > My Mandi is in 20'55 Leo > > > As you can see both Mandi and Gulika are conjunct my Lagna and Moon > respectively with 1 degree orb. That's very close conjunction > > I read that Mandi and Gulika are considered children of Saturn and > that they have a Saturnian influence,and so they are considered > malefics. I read that they are even more malefic than Saturn. > > What are the exact influences of Moon-Mandi and Gulika-lagna aspects? > > I am not a bad person,and I don't want to hurt others. I am even > trying to pursue a career in the holistic healing arts > > I do have abnormalities that make me different from most people which > are Auditory Dyslexia and Dyspraxia. Those conditions have to do with > thinking outside the box,vivid imagination,mainly thinking in > pictures,strong 3-D visualization abilities,intuition,and empathy. My > experiences as a Dyslexic and Dyspraxic person have taught me to treat > others like I want to be treated. I would like to work with children > with special needs. My experiences as a Dyslexic and Dyspraxic have > left me very insecure that I have had problems with anxiety and > depression. I grew up feeling dumb and ugly. > > I was wondering if those things could be related to my strong Gulika > and Mandi influences. My Moon is in Saturn's sign, Aquarius. 4th/9th > house lord Mars conjuncts my Moon,and retrograde 6th/7th house lord > Saturn in Taurus in 10th aspects the conjunction. My Moon is the lord > of the 12th house and dispositor of my Ketu in Cancer in 12th house. > My 5th/8th house lord Jupiter aspects Saturn and Ketu. > I do have a strong interest in spirituality. I am very openminded and > tolerant of others in general. I believe in treating people like I > want to be treated as fellow human being and fellow soul. I feel that > has a lot to do with my mixed > Black,Portuguese,English,German,French,Italian,German,Puerto > Rican,Jewish,and Native American ancestry as well as my history as a > special education student ostracized by regular students because my > Dyslexia,Dyspraxia were mistakened for mental retardation. > I gave up meat last May. I am lacto-ovo vegetarian now. I want to > pursue holistic healing as a spiritual vocation. I feel that caring > and healing others can be very spiritual. I have been working on > getting myself healed. I don't see myself all the way healed,and so I > haven't gotten a massage therapy job yet. I don't want to transfer my > negative energy to others. I need to get rid of my negative feelings > of insecurity and low self esteem before I can go out in the world and > help others. > > > > > > Raymond Andrews > San Francisco,CA > 3:20 AM > > > > > Raymond > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Dear Mr Astynaz, As upgrahas, the role they play is connected with fructification of results.if unaspected ny benifics,tend to give negative results and reflect on deha,body problems and health.Since you are involved with people probably may reduce negative effects.In all healing practices what ever negative things come up(received) in healing also need to be addressed by regular prayers.Pl also ensure mandi do not bring in any disrepute and complications krishnan astynaz <astynaz wrote: Hi all, I was wondering about Mandi and Gulika. I know that most modern vedic astrologers don't use them even though they are listed in the classics. I find them most intriguing because they are prominent in my chart. My Moon is in 9'42 Aquarius My Gulika is in 10'42 Leo My Lagna is in 19'59 Leo My Mandi is in 20'55 Leo As you can see both Mandi and Gulika are conjunct my Lagna and Moon respectively with 1 degree orb. That's very close conjunction I read that Mandi and Gulika are considered children of Saturn and that they have a Saturnian influence,and so they are considered malefics. I read that they are even more malefic than Saturn. What are the exact influences of Moon-Mandi and Gulika-lagna aspects? I am not a bad person,and I don't want to hurt others. I am even trying to pursue a career in the holistic healing arts I do have abnormalities that make me different from most people which are Auditory Dyslexia and Dyspraxia. Those conditions have to do with thinking outside the box,vivid imagination,mainly thinking in pictures,strong 3-D visualization abilities,intuition,and empathy. My experiences as a Dyslexic and Dyspraxic person have taught me to treat others like I want to be treated. I would like to work with children with special needs. My experiences as a Dyslexic and Dyspraxic have left me very insecure that I have had problems with anxiety and depression. I grew up feeling dumb and ugly. I was wondering if those things could be related to my strong Gulika and Mandi influences. My Moon is in Saturn's sign, Aquarius. 4th/9th house lord Mars conjuncts my Moon,and retrograde 6th/7th house lord Saturn in Taurus in 10th aspects the conjunction. My Moon is the lord of the 12th house and dispositor of my Ketu in Cancer in 12th house. My 5th/8th house lord Jupiter aspects Saturn and Ketu. I do have a strong interest in spirituality. I am very openminded and tolerant of others in general. I believe in treating people like I want to be treated as fellow human being and fellow soul. I feel that has a lot to do with my mixed Black,Portuguese,English,German,French,Italian,German,Puerto Rican,Jewish,and Native American ancestry as well as my history as a special education student ostracized by regular students because my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia were mistakened for mental retardation. I gave up meat last May. I am lacto-ovo vegetarian now. I want to pursue holistic healing as a spiritual vocation. I feel that caring and healing others can be very spiritual. I have been working on getting myself healed. I don't see myself all the way healed,and so I haven't gotten a massage therapy job yet. I don't want to transfer my negative energy to others. I need to get rid of my negative feelings of insecurity and low self esteem before I can go out in the world and help others. Raymond Andrews San Francisco,CA 3:20 AM Raymond SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Visit your group "" on the web. FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 My waxing moon aspects Gulika and Mandi, I guess that helps. But Moon is my 12th house lord,and so that can be bad. My Mars aspects Gulika and Mandi,and so that can be bad. But Mars is my 4th/9th house lord..hence my yoga karaka, and so that can be good. It looks like mixed results. I feel the bad results. I have had challenges in life. It hasn't been an easy life. I had physical and emotional abuse from my mom,and I had a controlling stepfather. I never knew my father who had drug problems. My mother is a recovering alcoholic and drug addict with diabetes and Hepatitis B/C. She was also shot when I was 3 yrs,and I was with her at the time. Therefore she and I experienced trauma. I never had a real girlfriend even though I would love to be married one day. My Dyslexia,Dyspraxic symptoms were mistakened by psychiatrists for psychotic symptoms. I have been constantly mistakened for gay because I am a highly sensitive male with voice that sounds feminine. I am actually androgenous in both looks and voice. I say negative karma has resulted in this life bigtime. Raymond , vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > > Dear Mr Astynaz, > As upgrahas, the role they play is connected with fructification of results.if unaspected ny benifics,tend to give negative results and reflect on deha,body problems and health.Since you are involved with people probably may reduce negative effects.In all healing practices what ever negative things come up(received) in healing also need to be addressed by regular prayers.Pl also ensure mandi do not bring in any disrepute and complications > krishnan > > astynaz <astynaz> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > I was wondering about Mandi and Gulika. I know that most modern vedic > astrologers don't use them even though they are listed in the classics. > > I find them most intriguing because they are prominent in my chart. > > My Moon is in 9'42 Aquarius > My Gulika is in 10'42 Leo > > My Lagna is in 19'59 Leo > My Mandi is in 20'55 Leo > > > As you can see both Mandi and Gulika are conjunct my Lagna and Moon > respectively with 1 degree orb. That's very close conjunction > > I read that Mandi and Gulika are considered children of Saturn and > that they have a Saturnian influence,and so they are considered > malefics. I read that they are even more malefic than Saturn. > > What are the exact influences of Moon-Mandi and Gulika-lagna aspects? > > I am not a bad person,and I don't want to hurt others. I am even > trying to pursue a career in the holistic healing arts > > I do have abnormalities that make me different from most people which > are Auditory Dyslexia and Dyspraxia. Those conditions have to do with > thinking outside the box,vivid imagination,mainly thinking in > pictures,strong 3-D visualization abilities,intuition,and empathy. My > experiences as a Dyslexic and Dyspraxic person have taught me to treat > others like I want to be treated. I would like to work with children > with special needs. My experiences as a Dyslexic and Dyspraxic have > left me very insecure that I have had problems with anxiety and > depression. I grew up feeling dumb and ugly. > > I was wondering if those things could be related to my strong Gulika > and Mandi influences. My Moon is in Saturn's sign, Aquarius. 4th/9th > house lord Mars conjuncts my Moon,and retrograde 6th/7th house lord > Saturn in Taurus in 10th aspects the conjunction. My Moon is the lord > of the 12th house and dispositor of my Ketu in Cancer in 12th house. > My 5th/8th house lord Jupiter aspects Saturn and Ketu. > I do have a strong interest in spirituality. I am very openminded and > tolerant of others in general. I believe in treating people like I > want to be treated as fellow human being and fellow soul. I feel that > has a lot to do with my mixed > Black,Portuguese,English,German,French,Italian,German,Puerto > Rican,Jewish,and Native American ancestry as well as my history as a > special education student ostracized by regular students because my > Dyslexia,Dyspraxia were mistakened for mental retardation. > I gave up meat last May. I am lacto-ovo vegetarian now. I want to > pursue holistic healing as a spiritual vocation. I feel that caring > and healing others can be very spiritual. I have been working on > getting myself healed. I don't see myself all the way healed,and so I > haven't gotten a massage therapy job yet. I don't want to transfer my > negative energy to others. I need to get rid of my negative feelings > of insecurity and low self esteem before I can go out in the world and > help others. > > > > > > Raymond Andrews > San Francisco,CA > 3:20 AM > > > > > Raymond > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 Sir, "I am a highly sensitive male with voice" It sounds that lot of hesitations low self esteem and as you have already gone through sevral anxieties it is time there is nothing to worry about further.Pray to saturn.read navagraha stotras regularly.of possible moola mantras.After all life is all kind of ups and owns.let's face.Nothing like a looser and it is win-win and depends on how we look at things as fixed due to karmas or improve through different approach and be open for growth. krishnan astynaz <astynaz wrote: My waxing moon aspects Gulika and Mandi, I guess that helps. But Moon is my 12th house lord,and so that can be bad. My Mars aspects Gulika and Mandi,and so that can be bad. But Mars is my 4th/9th house lord..hence my yoga karaka, and so that can be good. It looks like mixed results. I feel the bad results. I have had challenges in life. It hasn't been an easy life. I had physical and emotional abuse from my mom,and I had a controlling stepfather. I never knew my father who had drug problems. My mother is a recovering alcoholic and drug addict with diabetes and Hepatitis B/C. She was also shot when I was 3 yrs,and I was with her at the time. Therefore she and I experienced trauma. I never had a real girlfriend even though I would love to be married one day. My Dyslexia,Dyspraxic symptoms were mistakened by psychiatrists for psychotic symptoms. I have been constantly mistakened for gay because I am a highly sensitive male with voice that sounds feminine. I am actually androgenous in both looks and voice. I say negative karma has resulted in this life bigtime. Raymond , vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > > Dear Mr Astynaz, > As upgrahas, the role they play is connected with fructification of results.if unaspected ny benifics,tend to give negative results and reflect on deha,body problems and health.Since you are involved with people probably may reduce negative effects.In all healing practices what ever negative things come up(received) in healing also need to be addressed by regular prayers.Pl also ensure mandi do not bring in any disrepute and complications > krishnan > > astynaz <astynaz> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > I was wondering about Mandi and Gulika. I know that most modern vedic > astrologers don't use them even though they are listed in the classics. > > I find them most intriguing because they are prominent in my chart. > > My Moon is in 9'42 Aquarius > My Gulika is in 10'42 Leo > > My Lagna is in 19'59 Leo > My Mandi is in 20'55 Leo > > > As you can see both Mandi and Gulika are conjunct my Lagna and Moon > respectively with 1 degree orb. That's very close conjunction > > I read that Mandi and Gulika are considered children of Saturn and > that they have a Saturnian influence,and so they are considered > malefics. I read that they are even more malefic than Saturn. > > What are the exact influences of Moon-Mandi and Gulika-lagna aspects? > > I am not a bad person,and I don't want to hurt others. I am even > trying to pursue a career in the holistic healing arts > > I do have abnormalities that make me different from most people which > are Auditory Dyslexia and Dyspraxia. Those conditions have to do with > thinking outside the box,vivid imagination,mainly thinking in > pictures,strong 3-D visualization abilities,intuition,and empathy. My > experiences as a Dyslexic and Dyspraxic person have taught me to treat > others like I want to be treated. I would like to work with children > with special needs. My experiences as a Dyslexic and Dyspraxic have > left me very insecure that I have had problems with anxiety and > depression. I grew up feeling dumb and ugly. > > I was wondering if those things could be related to my strong Gulika > and Mandi influences. My Moon is in Saturn's sign, Aquarius. 4th/9th > house lord Mars conjuncts my Moon,and retrograde 6th/7th house lord > Saturn in Taurus in 10th aspects the conjunction. My Moon is the lord > of the 12th house and dispositor of my Ketu in Cancer in 12th house. > My 5th/8th house lord Jupiter aspects Saturn and Ketu. > I do have a strong interest in spirituality. I am very openminded and > tolerant of others in general. I believe in treating people like I > want to be treated as fellow human being and fellow soul. I feel that > has a lot to do with my mixed > Black,Portuguese,English,German,French,Italian,German,Puerto > Rican,Jewish,and Native American ancestry as well as my history as a > special education student ostracized by regular students because my > Dyslexia,Dyspraxia were mistakened for mental retardation. > I gave up meat last May. I am lacto-ovo vegetarian now. I want to > pursue holistic healing as a spiritual vocation. I feel that caring > and healing others can be very spiritual. I have been working on > getting myself healed. I don't see myself all the way healed,and so I > haven't gotten a massage therapy job yet. I don't want to transfer my > negative energy to others. I need to get rid of my negative feelings > of insecurity and low self esteem before I can go out in the world and > help others. > > > > > > Raymond Andrews > San Francisco,CA > 3:20 AM > > > > > Raymond > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology Visit your group "" on the web. FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 Just because a person is highly sensitive male doesn't mean that they have a lot of anxieties and how low self esteem. There are a lot of highly sensitive males that don't have those issues. They use their high sensitivity to be empathic,compassionate,understanding and they can be involved in the healing arts and be nurturing. They can channel that sensitivity into music and stuff. High sensitivity is a natural trait is typically in people with learning disorders like Dyslexia,Dyspraxia as well as conditions like AD/HD. High sensitivity is very common in the gifted. Giftedness is common in Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,and AD/HD. It seems that high sensitivity is viewed negatively in society in India...especially if the high sensitivity is in males That's the damned problem in the friggen first place. Highly sensitive males are given a hard time because they don't fit the traditional male stereotype. , vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > > > Sir, > "I am a highly sensitive male with voice" > It sounds that lot of hesitations low self esteem and as you have already gone through sevral anxieties it is time there is nothing to worry about further.Pray to saturn.read navagraha stotras regularly.of possible moola mantras.After all life is all kind of ups and owns.let's face.Nothing like a looser and it is win-win and depends on how we look at things as fixed due to karmas or improve through different approach and be open for growth. > krishnan > > astynaz <astynaz> wrote: > > My waxing moon aspects Gulika and Mandi, I guess that helps. But Moon > is my 12th house lord,and so that can be bad. My Mars aspects Gulika > and Mandi,and so that can be bad. But Mars is my 4th/9th house > lord..hence my yoga karaka, and so that can be good. > > It looks like mixed results. > > I feel the bad results. I have had challenges in life. It hasn't been > an easy life. I had physical and emotional abuse from my mom,and I had > a controlling stepfather. I never knew my father who had drug > problems. My mother is a recovering alcoholic and drug addict with > diabetes and Hepatitis B/C. She was also shot when I was 3 yrs,and I > was with her at the time. Therefore she and I experienced trauma. I > never had a real girlfriend even though I would love to be married one > day. My Dyslexia,Dyspraxic symptoms were mistakened by psychiatrists > for psychotic symptoms. I have been constantly mistakened for gay > because I am a highly sensitive male with voice that sounds feminine. > I am actually androgenous in both looks and voice. > > I say negative karma has resulted in this life bigtime. > > > Raymond > > , vattem krishnan > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > Dear Mr Astynaz, > > As upgrahas, the role they play is connected with fructification > of results.if unaspected ny benifics,tend to give negative results and > reflect on deha,body problems and health.Since you are involved with > people probably may reduce negative effects.In all healing practices > what ever negative things come up(received) in healing also need to > be addressed by regular prayers.Pl also ensure mandi do not bring in > any disrepute and complications > > krishnan > > > > astynaz <astynaz> wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > I was wondering about Mandi and Gulika. I know that most modern vedic > > astrologers don't use them even though they are listed in the classics. > > > > I find them most intriguing because they are prominent in my chart. > > > > My Moon is in 9'42 Aquarius > > My Gulika is in 10'42 Leo > > > > My Lagna is in 19'59 Leo > > My Mandi is in 20'55 Leo > > > > > > As you can see both Mandi and Gulika are conjunct my Lagna and Moon > > respectively with 1 degree orb. That's very close conjunction > > > > I read that Mandi and Gulika are considered children of Saturn and > > that they have a Saturnian influence,and so they are considered > > malefics. I read that they are even more malefic than Saturn. > > > > What are the exact influences of Moon-Mandi and Gulika-lagna aspects? > > > > I am not a bad person,and I don't want to hurt others. I am even > > trying to pursue a career in the holistic healing arts > > > > I do have abnormalities that make me different from most people which > > are Auditory Dyslexia and Dyspraxia. Those conditions have to do with > > thinking outside the box,vivid imagination,mainly thinking in > > pictures,strong 3-D visualization abilities,intuition,and empathy. My > > experiences as a Dyslexic and Dyspraxic person have taught me to treat > > others like I want to be treated. I would like to work with children > > with special needs. My experiences as a Dyslexic and Dyspraxic have > > left me very insecure that I have had problems with anxiety and > > depression. I grew up feeling dumb and ugly. > > > > I was wondering if those things could be related to my strong Gulika > > and Mandi influences. My Moon is in Saturn's sign, Aquarius. 4th/9th > > house lord Mars conjuncts my Moon,and retrograde 6th/7th house lord > > Saturn in Taurus in 10th aspects the conjunction. My Moon is the lord > > of the 12th house and dispositor of my Ketu in Cancer in 12th house. > > My 5th/8th house lord Jupiter aspects Saturn and Ketu. > > I do have a strong interest in spirituality. I am very openminded and > > tolerant of others in general. I believe in treating people like I > > want to be treated as fellow human being and fellow soul. I feel that > > has a lot to do with my mixed > > Black,Portuguese,English,German,French,Italian,German,Puerto > > Rican,Jewish,and Native American ancestry as well as my history as a > > special education student ostracized by regular students because my > > Dyslexia,Dyspraxia were mistakened for mental retardation. > > I gave up meat last May. I am lacto-ovo vegetarian now. I want to > > pursue holistic healing as a spiritual vocation. I feel that caring > > and healing others can be very spiritual. I have been working on > > getting myself healed. I don't see myself all the way healed,and so I > > haven't gotten a massage therapy job yet. I don't want to transfer my > > negative energy to others. I need to get rid of my negative feelings > > of insecurity and low self esteem before I can go out in the world and > > help others. > > > > > > > > > > > > Raymond Andrews > > San Francisco,CA > > 3:20 AM > > > > > > > > > > Raymond > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 Hi, I am also an INFP/INFJ according to Myers Briggs/Kiersey profiles. Those are the most sensitive people,and they are very intuitive and empathetic. f you find you are a highly sensitive person, or your child is, then you need to be aware of the following points: * This trait is normal--it is inherited by 15 to 20% of the population, and indeed the same percentage seems to be present in all higher animals. * Being an HSP means your nervous system is more sensitive to subtleties. Your sight, hearing, and sense of smell are not necessarily keener (although they may be). But your brain processes information and reflects on it more deeply. * Being an HSP also means, necessarily, that you are more easily overstimulated, stressed out, overwhelmed. * This trait is not something new I discovered--it has been mislabeled as shyness (not an inherited trait), introversion (30% of HSPs are actually extraverts), inhibitedness, fearfulness, and the like. HSPs can be these, but none of these are the fundamental trait they have inherited. * The reason for these negative misnomers and general lack of research on the subject is that in this culture being tough and outgoing is the preferred or ideal personality--not high sensitivity. (Therefore in the past the research focus has been on sensitivity's potential negative impact on sociability and boldness, not the phenomenon itself or its purpose.) This cultural bias affects HSPs as much as their trait affects them, as I am sure you realize. Even those who loved you probably told you, "don't be so sensitive," making you feel abnormal when in fact you could do nothing about it and it is not abnormal at all. http://www.hsperson.com/ the problem is that high sensitivity in males is frowned upon in society. They are often seen as weak,gay,sissy,and all kinds of stupid crap. It's all bullcrap Ignorance is not bliss. Raymond http://www.hsperson.com/ , "astynaz" <astynaz> wrote: > > > Just because a person is highly sensitive male doesn't mean that they > have a lot of anxieties and how low self esteem. > > There are a lot of highly sensitive males that don't have those > issues. They use their high sensitivity to be > empathic,compassionate,understanding and they can be involved in the > healing arts and be nurturing. They can channel that sensitivity into > music and stuff. > > High sensitivity is a natural trait is typically in people with > learning disorders like Dyslexia,Dyspraxia as well as conditions like > AD/HD. High sensitivity is very common in the gifted. Giftedness is > common in Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,and AD/HD. > > > > It seems that high sensitivity is viewed negatively in society in > India...especially if the high sensitivity is in males > > That's the damned problem in the friggen first place. > > Highly sensitive males are given a hard time because they don't fit > the traditional male stereotype. > , vattem krishnan > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > Sir, > > "I am a highly sensitive male with voice" > > It sounds that lot of hesitations low self esteem and as you have > already gone through sevral anxieties it is time there is nothing to > worry about further.Pray to saturn.read navagraha stotras regularly.of > possible moola mantras.After all life is all kind of ups and > owns.let's face.Nothing like a looser and it is win-win and depends on > how we look at things as fixed due to karmas or improve through > different approach and be open for growth. > > krishnan > > > > astynaz <astynaz> wrote: > > > > My waxing moon aspects Gulika and Mandi, I guess that helps. But Moon > > is my 12th house lord,and so that can be bad. My Mars aspects Gulika > > and Mandi,and so that can be bad. But Mars is my 4th/9th house > > lord..hence my yoga karaka, and so that can be good. > > > > It looks like mixed results. > > > > I feel the bad results. I have had challenges in life. It hasn't been > > an easy life. I had physical and emotional abuse from my mom,and I had > > a controlling stepfather. I never knew my father who had drug > > problems. My mother is a recovering alcoholic and drug addict with > > diabetes and Hepatitis B/C. She was also shot when I was 3 yrs,and I > > was with her at the time. Therefore she and I experienced trauma. I > > never had a real girlfriend even though I would love to be married one > > day. My Dyslexia,Dyspraxic symptoms were mistakened by psychiatrists > > for psychotic symptoms. I have been constantly mistakened for gay > > because I am a highly sensitive male with voice that sounds feminine. > > I am actually androgenous in both looks and voice. > > > > I say negative karma has resulted in this life bigtime. > > > > > > Raymond > > > > , vattem krishnan > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr Astynaz, > > > As upgrahas, the role they play is connected with fructification > > of results.if unaspected ny benifics,tend to give negative results and > > reflect on deha,body problems and health.Since you are involved with > > people probably may reduce negative effects.In all healing practices > > what ever negative things come up(received) in healing also need to > > be addressed by regular prayers.Pl also ensure mandi do not bring in > > any disrepute and complications > > > krishnan > > > > > > astynaz <astynaz> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I was wondering about Mandi and Gulika. I know that most modern vedic > > > astrologers don't use them even though they are listed in the > classics. > > > > > > I find them most intriguing because they are prominent in my chart. > > > > > > My Moon is in 9'42 Aquarius > > > My Gulika is in 10'42 Leo > > > > > > My Lagna is in 19'59 Leo > > > My Mandi is in 20'55 Leo > > > > > > > > > As you can see both Mandi and Gulika are conjunct my Lagna and Moon > > > respectively with 1 degree orb. That's very close conjunction > > > > > > I read that Mandi and Gulika are considered children of Saturn and > > > that they have a Saturnian influence,and so they are considered > > > malefics. I read that they are even more malefic than Saturn. > > > > > > What are the exact influences of Moon-Mandi and Gulika-lagna aspects? > > > > > > I am not a bad person,and I don't want to hurt others. I am even > > > trying to pursue a career in the holistic healing arts > > > > > > I do have abnormalities that make me different from most people which > > > are Auditory Dyslexia and Dyspraxia. Those conditions have to do with > > > thinking outside the box,vivid imagination,mainly thinking in > > > pictures,strong 3-D visualization abilities,intuition,and empathy. My > > > experiences as a Dyslexic and Dyspraxic person have taught me to treat > > > others like I want to be treated. I would like to work with children > > > with special needs. My experiences as a Dyslexic and Dyspraxic have > > > left me very insecure that I have had problems with anxiety and > > > depression. I grew up feeling dumb and ugly. > > > > > > I was wondering if those things could be related to my strong Gulika > > > and Mandi influences. My Moon is in Saturn's sign, Aquarius. 4th/9th > > > house lord Mars conjuncts my Moon,and retrograde 6th/7th house lord > > > Saturn in Taurus in 10th aspects the conjunction. My Moon is the lord > > > of the 12th house and dispositor of my Ketu in Cancer in 12th house. > > > My 5th/8th house lord Jupiter aspects Saturn and Ketu. > > > I do have a strong interest in spirituality. I am very openminded and > > > tolerant of others in general. I believe in treating people like I > > > want to be treated as fellow human being and fellow soul. I feel that > > > has a lot to do with my mixed > > > Black,Portuguese,English,German,French,Italian,German,Puerto > > > Rican,Jewish,and Native American ancestry as well as my history as a > > > special education student ostracized by regular students because my > > > Dyslexia,Dyspraxia were mistakened for mental retardation. > > > I gave up meat last May. I am lacto-ovo vegetarian now. I want to > > > pursue holistic healing as a spiritual vocation. I feel that caring > > > and healing others can be very spiritual. I have been working on > > > getting myself healed. I don't see myself all the way healed,and so I > > > haven't gotten a massage therapy job yet. I don't want to transfer my > > > negative energy to others. I need to get rid of my negative feelings > > > of insecurity and low self esteem before I can go out in the world and > > > help others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raymond Andrews > > > San Francisco,CA > > > 3:20 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raymond > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 Part One - The Connection between Ultra-sensitivity and LD/ADD By Elizabeth Bogod Do you sometimes feel that you unusually overreact to everyday situations? For instance, do you find yourself easily frustrated, moved to tears, overwhelmed while others in the same situation seem to be unaffected? Do you think of yourself as a sensitive person? Well, you may have good reason to think so. There is some evidence to back up the fact that people with learning disabilities and/or Attention Deficit Disorder are typically more prone to sensitivity and, for sure, the topic of oversensitivity comes up frequently In IADA support groups. Being ultra-sensitive is not necessarily a bad thing. Most of us like to think of ourselves as being caring, thoughtful, sensitive folk and LD/ADD hyper-sensitivity may even be a strength, but I will talk about this in a later newsletter. To start, I want to clarify exactly what is meant by the term "Highly Sensitive Person". The term "highly sensitive person" was first introduced into pop psychology by Dr. Elaine Aron, author of ""The Highly Sensitive Person - How to Thrive When the World Overwhelms You". Dr. Aron describing persons with this characteristic as having an extremely sensitive nervous system. In other words, she contends highly sensitive people are biologically more sensitive to external stimuli such as glaring lights, strong odors, and clutter, not just emotional stimuli (Aron, 1999). Most of us only think of the academic difficulties associated with LD and ADD, but if Dr. Aron's theory holds good, then ultra-sensitivity will likely affect every aspect of our lives including all aspects of daily living, family, and work and school. It is important to note that being highly sensitive does not mean you have a disorder. It is rather a characteristic or personality trait. Unfortunately, no research exists to link this particular theory to LD or ADD. However, Dr. Jean Ayres, Ph.D., with her concept of sensory integration, does present significant evidence of a link between ultra-sensitivity and LD/ADD (Sensory Integration International: FAQ). This theory describes dysfunction in processing information through the senses (touch, movement, smell, taste, vision, and hearing). Some signs of this sensory integration dysfunction include: Oversensitivity to touch movement, sights, or sounds Distractibility Hypo or Hyperactivity Complaints about how clothes feel - especially tags, socks, and shoes Difficulty making transitions from one situation to another Inability to unwind or calm self Impulsivity Delays in speech, language, or motor skills Delays in academic achievement Frequent Mood Changes Does any of the above sound familiar to you? Research indicates that up to 70% of children with learning problems experience characteristics of this sort (Sensory Integration International: FAQ). So it is conceivable that LD/ADD adults are more neurologically susceptible to being highly sensitive individuals. So what does this research mean for you? It means that you can take comfort in knowing that high sensitivity is NOT a personality flaw. It means that it may help you come to terms accuse you of being "too sensitive", "overly emotional", "weak", or "thin-skinned". Comments like these may make you feel bad about yourself or shamed into change but knowing the reasons for the source of your hyper-sensitivity - that it is the result of the way your central nervous system copes with stimuli - may help you to cope with people who criticize you because they do not understand your sensitivities. More importantly, though, you are beginning to understand a new side of your LD/ADD. In the next News Letter, you will find out about the gifts of being highly sensitive and more…! Do you have any thoughts or experiences to share on the topic of ultra-sensitivity and LD/ADD? Send your comments to our mailing address or email us at iada-victoria Resources Aron, Elaine. The Highly Sensitive Person: How To Thrive When The World Overwhelms You . Broadway Books, 1999. Sensory Integration International, "Frequently Asked Questions". Available at: http://www.sensoryint.com/faq.html Part Two - The Affects of Ultra-sensitivity on Our Lives by Liz Bogod The previous newsletter discussed the connection between ultra-sensitivity and LD/ADD. We now explore this connection further and take a deeper look at the affects of ultra-sensitivity on our lives. Having LD/ADD may mean you are more sensitive than the average individual. In fact, many definitions of LD and ADD include "emotional instability" as a defining characteristic. Throughout history, gifted people such as artists, writers and musicians have demonstrated ultra-sensitive characteristics. Given the fact that so many people with LD and/or ADD are, in fact, creatively and intellectually gifted, it follows that they, too, are likely to be highly sensitive individuals. Dabrowski, a psychiatrist who specializes in giftedness, proposes five areas of extreme sensitivity in gifted individuals which he terms as "over-excitabilities". You may recognize some of the following areas in yourself: Psychomotor - Need for extreme physical activity, movement, and sports activity Hyperactivity, restlessness; inability to quell non-stop inner thought processes (often cause of sleeping problems); highly pronounced gesturing, fast talking Sensual - Heightened sensory awareness Over-reaction to sensory input (bad smells, bright lights, loud noises, etc); heightened tactile sensitivity (e.g. to textured fabrics); finds some sensory input intolerable and may need to leave location of stimuli Imaginational - Thinks and lives in fantasy worlds The poets, the fantasizers, the "space cadets" of this world; uses metaphorical speech; day dreams; remembers and reacts strongly to night dreams Intellectual - A heightened response to intellectual questions and problems Intense focus on particular topic, difficulty diverting away from topic (which may interfere with development of social relationships); often a highly ethical, moral topic requiring sustained analytical thinking abilities; difficulty letting go of the world's problems without continual questioning Emotional - Heightened emotional reactions and attachments to people Emotions experienced in extremes; need to develop strong emotional attachments; self-examination; natural ability for empathy and compassion; often perceives others as not caring enough; susceptibility to depression and anxiety http://www.ldpride.net/sensitivity.htm , "astynaz" <astynaz> wrote: > > > Hi, > > I am also an INFP/INFJ according to Myers Briggs/Kiersey profiles. > Those are the most sensitive people,and they are very intuitive and > empathetic. > > > > f you find you are a highly sensitive person, or your child is, then > you need to be aware of the following points: > > * This trait is normal--it is inherited by 15 to 20% of the > population, and indeed the same percentage seems to be present in all > higher animals. > * Being an HSP means your nervous system is more sensitive to > subtleties. Your sight, hearing, and sense of smell are not > necessarily keener (although they may be). But your brain processes > information and reflects on it more deeply. > * Being an HSP also means, necessarily, that you are more easily > overstimulated, stressed out, overwhelmed. > * This trait is not something new I discovered--it has been > mislabeled as shyness (not an inherited trait), introversion (30% of > HSPs are actually extraverts), inhibitedness, fearfulness, and the > like. HSPs can be these, but none of these are the fundamental trait > they have inherited. > * The reason for these negative misnomers and general lack of > research on the subject is that in this culture being tough and > outgoing is the preferred or ideal personality--not high sensitivity. > (Therefore in the past the research focus has been on sensitivity's > potential negative impact on sociability and boldness, not the > phenomenon itself or its purpose.) This cultural bias affects HSPs as > much as their trait affects them, as I am sure you realize. Even those > who loved you probably told you, "don't be so sensitive," making you > feel abnormal when in fact you could do nothing about it and it is not > abnormal at all. > > http://www.hsperson.com/ > > > the problem is that high sensitivity in males is frowned upon in > society. They are often seen as weak,gay,sissy,and all kinds of stupid > crap. It's all bullcrap > > Ignorance is not bliss. > > > > Raymond > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.hsperson.com/ > > > > > > > > , "astynaz" <astynaz> wrote: > > > > > > Just because a person is highly sensitive male doesn't mean that they > > have a lot of anxieties and how low self esteem. > > > > There are a lot of highly sensitive males that don't have those > > issues. They use their high sensitivity to be > > empathic,compassionate,understanding and they can be involved in the > > healing arts and be nurturing. They can channel that sensitivity into > > music and stuff. > > > > High sensitivity is a natural trait is typically in people with > > learning disorders like Dyslexia,Dyspraxia as well as conditions like > > AD/HD. High sensitivity is very common in the gifted. Giftedness is > > common in Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,and AD/HD. > > > > > > > > It seems that high sensitivity is viewed negatively in society in > > India...especially if the high sensitivity is in males > > > > That's the damned problem in the friggen first place. > > > > Highly sensitive males are given a hard time because they don't fit > > the traditional male stereotype. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > "I am a highly sensitive male with voice" > > > It sounds that lot of hesitations low self esteem and as you have > > already gone through sevral anxieties it is time there is nothing to > > worry about further.Pray to saturn.read navagraha stotras regularly.of > > possible moola mantras.After all life is all kind of ups and > > owns.let's face.Nothing like a looser and it is win-win and depends on > > how we look at things as fixed due to karmas or improve through > > different approach and be open for growth. > > > krishnan > > > > > > astynaz <astynaz> wrote: > > > > > > My waxing moon aspects Gulika and Mandi, I guess that helps. But Moon > > > is my 12th house lord,and so that can be bad. My Mars aspects Gulika > > > and Mandi,and so that can be bad. But Mars is my 4th/9th house > > > lord..hence my yoga karaka, and so that can be good. > > > > > > It looks like mixed results. > > > > > > I feel the bad results. I have had challenges in life. It hasn't been > > > an easy life. I had physical and emotional abuse from my mom,and I had > > > a controlling stepfather. I never knew my father who had drug > > > problems. My mother is a recovering alcoholic and drug addict with > > > diabetes and Hepatitis B/C. She was also shot when I was 3 yrs,and I > > > was with her at the time. Therefore she and I experienced trauma. I > > > never had a real girlfriend even though I would love to be married one > > > day. My Dyslexia,Dyspraxic symptoms were mistakened by psychiatrists > > > for psychotic symptoms. I have been constantly mistakened for gay > > > because I am a highly sensitive male with voice that sounds feminine. > > > I am actually androgenous in both looks and voice. > > > > > > I say negative karma has resulted in this life bigtime. > > > > > > > > > Raymond > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Astynaz, > > > > As upgrahas, the role they play is connected with fructification > > > of results.if unaspected ny benifics,tend to give negative results and > > > reflect on deha,body problems and health.Since you are involved with > > > people probably may reduce negative effects.In all healing practices > > > what ever negative things come up(received) in healing also need to > > > be addressed by regular prayers.Pl also ensure mandi do not bring in > > > any disrepute and complications > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > astynaz <astynaz> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I was wondering about Mandi and Gulika. I know that most modern > vedic > > > > astrologers don't use them even though they are listed in the > > classics. > > > > > > > > I find them most intriguing because they are prominent in my chart. > > > > > > > > My Moon is in 9'42 Aquarius > > > > My Gulika is in 10'42 Leo > > > > > > > > My Lagna is in 19'59 Leo > > > > My Mandi is in 20'55 Leo > > > > > > > > > > > > As you can see both Mandi and Gulika are conjunct my Lagna and Moon > > > > respectively with 1 degree orb. That's very close conjunction > > > > > > > > I read that Mandi and Gulika are considered children of Saturn and > > > > that they have a Saturnian influence,and so they are considered > > > > malefics. I read that they are even more malefic than Saturn. > > > > > > > > What are the exact influences of Moon-Mandi and Gulika-lagna > aspects? > > > > > > > > I am not a bad person,and I don't want to hurt others. I am even > > > > trying to pursue a career in the holistic healing arts > > > > > > > > I do have abnormalities that make me different from most people > which > > > > are Auditory Dyslexia and Dyspraxia. Those conditions have to do > with > > > > thinking outside the box,vivid imagination,mainly thinking in > > > > pictures,strong 3-D visualization abilities,intuition,and > empathy. My > > > > experiences as a Dyslexic and Dyspraxic person have taught me to > treat > > > > others like I want to be treated. I would like to work with children > > > > with special needs. My experiences as a Dyslexic and Dyspraxic have > > > > left me very insecure that I have had problems with anxiety and > > > > depression. I grew up feeling dumb and ugly. > > > > > > > > I was wondering if those things could be related to my strong Gulika > > > > and Mandi influences. My Moon is in Saturn's sign, Aquarius. 4th/9th > > > > house lord Mars conjuncts my Moon,and retrograde 6th/7th house lord > > > > Saturn in Taurus in 10th aspects the conjunction. My Moon is the > lord > > > > of the 12th house and dispositor of my Ketu in Cancer in 12th house. > > > > My 5th/8th house lord Jupiter aspects Saturn and Ketu. > > > > I do have a strong interest in spirituality. I am very > openminded and > > > > tolerant of others in general. I believe in treating people like I > > > > want to be treated as fellow human being and fellow soul. I feel > that > > > > has a lot to do with my mixed > > > > Black,Portuguese,English,German,French,Italian,German,Puerto > > > > Rican,Jewish,and Native American ancestry as well as my history as a > > > > special education student ostracized by regular students because my > > > > Dyslexia,Dyspraxia were mistakened for mental retardation. > > > > I gave up meat last May. I am lacto-ovo vegetarian now. I want to > > > > pursue holistic healing as a spiritual vocation. I feel that caring > > > > and healing others can be very spiritual. I have been working on > > > > getting myself healed. I don't see myself all the way healed,and > so I > > > > haven't gotten a massage therapy job yet. I don't want to > transfer my > > > > negative energy to others. I need to get rid of my negative feelings > > > > of insecurity and low self esteem before I can go out in the > world and > > > > help others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raymond Andrews > > > > San Francisco,CA > > > > 3:20 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raymond > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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