Guest guest Posted November 13, 2005 Report Share Posted November 13, 2005 dear friends as RRji rightly observed, there is one thing common in all these self-less people. they were all satyavratas i.e. following a self-proclaimed discipline to speak truth, truth alone, only truth and nothing but truth akin to raja harischandra of the erstwhile kashi kingdom. as explained by some gurus, if you speak truth manasa, vacha and karmana (trikarana suddhi) i.e. you think/contemlate to speak only truth, you indeed speak truth only and also your actions speak truth as loud as your words. initially, you would be subjected to all kinds of difficulties, insults, losses etc. but after some time, he starts feeling eternal bliss and alignment with truth (god) and whatever the person says it becomes truth. growing with the habit of speaking truth and going by the practice, whatever he says/predicts would also become truth, be it future telling or giving blessing or a curse. unfortunately, this is a process which can only be experienced and not studied. when the father of our nation wrote "no religioun is higher than truth" he literally means it. the bible mentions numerous times in various chapters that TRUTH IS GOD and GOD IS TRUTH. with best wishes arjun rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote: Some jupiter types (resonating to one of the two vibrations of jupiter) maintain that Jupiter fulfils all criteria of being a star (that was) rather than a planet subservient to what we know as sun our star. Makes sense that this creation was created by the incorporation of not one but at least two stars, one of which agreed to be silent even while not losing its inherent promise or potency! Thus was born astrological reality through such bipolarity, such duality, some of which is not just two states of the same thing, like the north and south pole on the same magnet body, but even present in two disparate bodies, like the positron and electron! , vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > > Dear Sir,(a mentor a torsteel made) > Not necesaary as the venus raising in my in ketu nakshtra of mola and the ascendant in poorvashdha ruled by venus can indicate how old is madonna? > The sun is older than venus,dear sir > with mercury ruler of 7th and 10th in 12th in mars sign(a watery sign) in Anuradha nakshtra of saturn.These indications are enough between two dadas? > regards > krishnan > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote: > Hehe, when you wrote Mentor, I hope you did not mean TORMentor as > many have tried to portray me as or see that side of me, here and > there!! > > Thanks for your addition to the thread and I hope you noted the > correction in the spelling of the 'main course' in the header? It was > beginning to bother me ;-) > > In fact I was planning to add Madona too (the italian one) and a few > other individuals but I rather not give clues to my age! > > > , vattem krishnan > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > Dear Mentor, > > If Iam permitted to add I would also include in the list Swamy > Ramdev,which in the present decade he is the moving spirit exhorting > importance of Yoga.he is able to take all people with him and > convince the self cure of dreaded diseses through Pranayama and > Aurvedic approach.I have seen all over the country he emphasises and > impresses people to own yoga and practice pranayama. > > Coming bach to all such great personalities including Mother > Teressa,there is something extra ordinary be it Astrological > influences or their own internal capabilities acquired through > sadhana,they are those unbelievably great spirits who could have mass > follow up without seeking any personal benifits: > > They have sacrificed their lives for the benifit of mankind > > They have ensured importance of serving the people > > They have identified the root cause of the ideals of all people > > For them to reach out to people is to reach out to God > > Last but not least is the worship God through Mankind > > In no uncertain terms their Astro Charts totally different.Their > Saturn always given them a great measure of reaching out to > people.Mercury in their charts was always able to pu their intellect > before every other need > > Their Mars never troubled them and they needed it to have the drive. > > Their Jupiter has taught them different approach and discipline. > > Finally they all owe to the Sun for the name and fame > > The moon to has done the great achievement of blessing their > mothers with such a noble minds > > krishnan > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > Dear Krishnan Dada and other fellow-forum members, > > > > Please understand I do not mean to lighten the environment by > taking > > attention away from Tantrik vashikaran and its many manifestations > > and variations as described and elaborated under Kamakhya Tantram -- > - > > > > But how about the vashikaran that some charismatic personae have > > demonstrated in this world, without tantra, mantra etc that is > > generally associated with this phenomenon. Before you good folks > ask, > > I will give examples, some good, others really evil, but you be the > > judge! > > > > Gandhi > > Hitler > > Rajneesh/Osho > > Beetles > > Elvis > > Martin L. King > > Mandela > > > > Some may wish to include Yogananda, Vivekananda, Mahesh Yogi but > let > > us focus ont he first six in this list. > > > > I am sure those, particularly those that did not see these as > special > > or even Karishmatic would readily agree that there was nothing > > special about them (NOT MY PERSONAL VIEW, before you raise and aim > > your cyber bazookas this way, kids!) but without tantrik vashikaran > > they moved masses, more than most pahunchey baba nobody knows them > > tantriks can move, truth be told! > > > > Charts and astrological horoscopes are available for all of these > > individuals, readily. What is there in their charts that allowed > them > > to demonstrably and documentedly do without any 'tak-tuk' (magic) > > what they did and how they changed the history of mankind and the > > CULTURE of man and woman and children and everything in between > those > > in massive phenomena that any vashikaran pales in front of. > > > > Do you agree? > > > > rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > There are many types of vasikaran.it is like hypnotising a > > person.the person almost a vegetative structures and ready obey the > > master when orders were given.what he sees externally is different > > from what he perceives.sometimes the motor actor activity of the > > nerves and muscles can be arrested.There are many ways in which > > vasikiran is can be performed:By:Tantras as well as mantras > > > This altogether a different kind of sastra and in ancient > times,the > > application in the past used to be resorted mosly by kings > > > krishnan > > > > > > Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Vashikaran is the process through which one attracts > > > the other person towards himself. It is generally > > > done by performing some rituals (mostly black magic) > > > or by using hypnotism. > > > > > > I don't know what types of vashikaran are you talking > > > about (I don't know types of vashikaran), but > > > generally, it is either down on an individual or on a > > > group (for short duration). > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Neeraj > > > > > > --- vashikaran1234 <vashikaran1234> wrote: > > > > > > > plz tell me what is vashikaran and its various > > > > forms... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.neerajgupta.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > > http://farechase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > RELISH > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. 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Guest guest Posted November 13, 2005 Report Share Posted November 13, 2005 Arjun ji, Shri KN Rao ji in one of his articles has tackled the topic of 'men with a mission'. He describes both the men with mission and men who think they have a mission, in his direct no gimmick, cut to the chase style :-) If I recall correctly, the 2nd house and secondarily the 10th house have been pointed out by Rao Saheb as the radar screens for judging this. Indeed, there are some with large missions, and some with more modest missions, though still important. Indeed in readings those could be something that can be looked at first or early in the formulation of the reading framework on which other influences, traits can then be judged. Just wanted to share that very significant hint Rao ji had given. RR , arjun pandit <panditarjun2004> wrote: > > dear friends > > as RRji rightly observed, there is one thing common in all these self-less people. they were all satyavratas i.e. following a self- proclaimed discipline to speak truth, truth alone, only truth and nothing but truth akin to raja harischandra of the erstwhile kashi kingdom. > > as explained by some gurus, if you speak truth manasa, vacha and karmana (trikarana suddhi) i.e. you think/contemlate to speak only truth, you indeed speak truth only and also your actions speak truth as loud as your words. initially, you would be subjected to all kinds of difficulties, insults, losses etc. but after some time, he starts feeling eternal bliss and alignment with truth (god) and whatever the person says it becomes truth. growing with the habit of speaking truth and going by the practice, whatever he says/predicts would also become truth, be it future telling or giving blessing or a curse. unfortunately, this is a process which can only be experienced and not studied. > > when the father of our nation wrote "no religioun is higher than truth" he literally means it. the bible mentions numerous times in various chapters that TRUTH IS GOD and GOD IS TRUTH. > > with best wishes > arjun > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote: > Some jupiter types (resonating to one of the two vibrations of > jupiter) maintain that Jupiter fulfils all criteria of being a star > (that was) rather than a planet subservient to what we know as sun > our star. > > Makes sense that this creation was created by the incorporation of > not one but at least two stars, one of which agreed to be silent even > while not losing its inherent promise or potency! > > Thus was born astrological reality through such bipolarity, such > duality, some of which is not just two states of the same thing, like > the north and south pole on the same magnet body, but even present in > two disparate bodies, like the positron and electron! > > , vattem krishnan > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > Dear Sir,(a mentor a torsteel made) > > Not necesaary as the venus raising in my in ketu nakshtra of mola > and the ascendant in poorvashdha ruled by venus can indicate how old > is madonna? > > The sun is older than venus,dear sir > > with mercury ruler of 7th and 10th in 12th in mars sign(a watery > sign) in Anuradha nakshtra of saturn.These indications are enough > between two dadas? > > regards > > krishnan > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > Hehe, when you wrote Mentor, I hope you did not mean TORMentor as > > many have tried to portray me as or see that side of me, here and > > there!! > > > > Thanks for your addition to the thread and I hope you noted the > > correction in the spelling of the 'main course' in the header? It > was > > beginning to bother me ;-) > > > > In fact I was planning to add Madona too (the italian one) and a > few > > other individuals but I rather not give clues to my age! > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mentor, > > > If Iam permitted to add I would also include in the list Swamy > > Ramdev,which in the present decade he is the moving spirit > exhorting > > importance of Yoga.he is able to take all people with him and > > convince the self cure of dreaded diseses through Pranayama and > > Aurvedic approach.I have seen all over the country he emphasises > and > > impresses people to own yoga and practice pranayama. > > > Coming bach to all such great personalities including Mother > > Teressa,there is something extra ordinary be it Astrological > > influences or their own internal capabilities acquired through > > sadhana,they are those unbelievably great spirits who could have > mass > > follow up without seeking any personal benifits: > > > They have sacrificed their lives for the benifit of mankind > > > They have ensured importance of serving the people > > > They have identified the root cause of the ideals of all people > > > For them to reach out to people is to reach out to God > > > Last but not least is the worship God through Mankind > > > In no uncertain terms their Astro Charts totally different.Their > > Saturn always given them a great measure of reaching out to > > people.Mercury in their charts was always able to pu their > intellect > > before every other need > > > Their Mars never troubled them and they needed it to have the > drive. > > > Their Jupiter has taught them different approach and discipline. > > > Finally they all owe to the Sun for the name and fame > > > The moon to has done the great achievement of blessing their > > mothers with such a noble minds > > > krishnan > > > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > Dear Krishnan Dada and other fellow-forum members, > > > > > > Please understand I do not mean to lighten the environment by > > taking > > > attention away from Tantrik vashikaran and its many > manifestations > > > and variations as described and elaborated under Kamakhya > Tantram -- > > - > > > > > > But how about the vashikaran that some charismatic personae have > > > demonstrated in this world, without tantra, mantra etc that is > > > generally associated with this phenomenon. Before you good folks > > ask, > > > I will give examples, some good, others really evil, but you be > the > > > judge! > > > > > > Gandhi > > > Hitler > > > Rajneesh/Osho > > > Beetles > > > Elvis > > > Martin L. King > > > Mandela > > > > > > Some may wish to include Yogananda, Vivekananda, Mahesh Yogi but > > let > > > us focus ont he first six in this list. > > > > > > I am sure those, particularly those that did not see these as > > special > > > or even Karishmatic would readily agree that there was nothing > > > special about them (NOT MY PERSONAL VIEW, before you raise and > aim > > > your cyber bazookas this way, kids!) but without tantrik > vashikaran > > > they moved masses, more than most pahunchey baba nobody knows > them > > > tantriks can move, truth be told! > > > > > > Charts and astrological horoscopes are available for all of these > > > individuals, readily. What is there in their charts that allowed > > them > > > to demonstrably and documentedly do without any 'tak-tuk' (magic) > > > what they did and how they changed the history of mankind and the > > > CULTURE of man and woman and children and everything in between > > those > > > in massive phenomena that any vashikaran pales in front of. > > > > > > Do you agree? > > > > > > rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > > > There are many types of vasikaran.it is like hypnotising a > > > person.the person almost a vegetative structures and ready obey > the > > > master when orders were given.what he sees externally is > different > > > from what he perceives.sometimes the motor actor activity of the > > > nerves and muscles can be arrested.There are many ways in which > > > vasikiran is can be performed:By:Tantras as well as mantras > > > > This altogether a different kind of sastra and in ancient > > times,the > > > application in the past used to be resorted mosly by kings > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Vashikaran is the process through which one attracts > > > > the other person towards himself. It is generally > > > > done by performing some rituals (mostly black magic) > > > > or by using hypnotism. > > > > > > > > I don't know what types of vashikaran are you talking > > > > about (I don't know types of vashikaran), but > > > > generally, it is either down on an individual or on a > > > > group (for short duration). > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Neeraj > > > > > > > > --- vashikaran1234 <vashikaran1234> wrote: > > > > > > > > > plz tell me what is vashikaran and its various > > > > > forms... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.neerajgupta.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > > > http://farechase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > RELISH > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > RELISH > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 RRJi, A preliminary response.For the six charts, Gandhi, Mandela, King, Hitler, Rajneesh and Presley and working on the hints suggested by you ,Saturn seems to be the common factor in the 2nd and tenth houses. Located in tenth in 2 charts, located in second in one and aspecting Tenth in three other charts. Interestingly, Ju aspects the 11th in four charts. Gandhi: Sa in 2nd house, second Lord in Lagna; !0th lord in tenth...Moon AL the arudha lagna also in Karma Bhava Mandela: Saturn, second lord in 8th, aspecting both Second and tenth. Second alsp aspected by Su and Me. Ma in tenth....AL, the maya also in karma bhava. King: Ju, tenth Lord in second, aspecting 6th, 8th and 10th; Sa in tenth. AL in third along with the third karaka, Mars which is retro. Hitler: Second Lord Mars in seventh aspecting second; Saturn in tenth along with AL. Rajneesh: Second lord Me in 8th aspecting second; almost everyone aspecting second since 8th predominates. Tenth Lord Sa in 8th, aspecting tenth. AL in third along with a retro but exalted Jupiter. An almost stationary Jupiter. Presley: Second Lord Ju in 12th (11th from 2nd), Mars aspecting second in which Su and me sit together. The tenth Lord in second. Sa aspects tenth from its location in fourth in its own house. However, the almost magnetic following which these stalwarts got doesn't seem to be explained by these factors. There should be much more which I am missing in this so far pedesterian effort done by me to try and understand this interesting query. Jupiter has so far not shone for me as far as unravelling this query goes and I am sure you have things up your sleeve. regards rishi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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