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dear friends

 

as RRji rightly observed, there is one thing common in all these self-less

people. they were all satyavratas i.e. following a self-proclaimed discipline

to speak truth, truth alone, only truth and nothing but truth akin to raja

harischandra of the erstwhile kashi kingdom.

 

as explained by some gurus, if you speak truth manasa, vacha and karmana

(trikarana suddhi) i.e. you think/contemlate to speak only truth, you indeed

speak truth only and also your actions speak truth as loud as your words.

initially, you would be subjected to all kinds of difficulties, insults, losses

etc. but after some time, he starts feeling eternal bliss and alignment with

truth (god) and whatever the person says it becomes truth. growing with the

habit of speaking truth and going by the practice, whatever he says/predicts

would also become truth, be it future telling or giving blessing or a curse.

unfortunately, this is a process which can only be experienced and not studied.

 

when the father of our nation wrote "no religioun is higher than truth" he

literally means it. the bible mentions numerous times in various chapters that

TRUTH IS GOD and GOD IS TRUTH.

 

with best wishes

arjun

 

rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

Some jupiter types (resonating to one of the two vibrations of

jupiter) maintain that Jupiter fulfils all criteria of being a star

(that was) rather than a planet subservient to what we know as sun

our star.

 

Makes sense that this creation was created by the incorporation of

not one but at least two stars, one of which agreed to be silent even

while not losing its inherent promise or potency!

 

Thus was born astrological reality through such bipolarity, such

duality, some of which is not just two states of the same thing, like

the north and south pole on the same magnet body, but even present in

two disparate bodies, like the positron and electron!

 

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,(a mentor a torsteel made)

> Not necesaary as the venus raising in my in ketu nakshtra of mola

and the ascendant in poorvashdha ruled by venus can indicate how old

is madonna?

> The sun is older than venus,dear sir

> with mercury ruler of 7th and 10th in 12th in mars sign(a watery

sign) in Anuradha nakshtra of saturn.These indications are enough

between two dadas?

> regards

> krishnan

>

> rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> Hehe, when you wrote Mentor, I hope you did not mean TORMentor as

> many have tried to portray me as or see that side of me, here and

> there!!

>

> Thanks for your addition to the thread and I hope you noted the

> correction in the spelling of the 'main course' in the header? It

was

> beginning to bother me ;-)

>

> In fact I was planning to add Madona too (the italian one) and a

few

> other individuals but I rather not give clues to my age!

>

>

> , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mentor,

> > If Iam permitted to add I would also include in the list Swamy

> Ramdev,which in the present decade he is the moving spirit

exhorting

> importance of Yoga.he is able to take all people with him and

> convince the self cure of dreaded diseses through Pranayama and

> Aurvedic approach.I have seen all over the country he emphasises

and

> impresses people to own yoga and practice pranayama.

> > Coming bach to all such great personalities including Mother

> Teressa,there is something extra ordinary be it Astrological

> influences or their own internal capabilities acquired through

> sadhana,they are those unbelievably great spirits who could have

mass

> follow up without seeking any personal benifits:

> > They have sacrificed their lives for the benifit of mankind

> > They have ensured importance of serving the people

> > They have identified the root cause of the ideals of all people

> > For them to reach out to people is to reach out to God

> > Last but not least is the worship God through Mankind

> > In no uncertain terms their Astro Charts totally different.Their

> Saturn always given them a great measure of reaching out to

> people.Mercury in their charts was always able to pu their

intellect

> before every other need

> > Their Mars never troubled them and they needed it to have the

drive.

> > Their Jupiter has taught them different approach and discipline.

> > Finally they all owe to the Sun for the name and fame

> > The moon to has done the great achievement of blessing their

> mothers with such a noble minds

> > krishnan

> >

> > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > Dear Krishnan Dada and other fellow-forum members,

> >

> > Please understand I do not mean to lighten the environment by

> taking

> > attention away from Tantrik vashikaran and its many

manifestations

> > and variations as described and elaborated under Kamakhya

Tantram --

> -

> >

> > But how about the vashikaran that some charismatic personae have

> > demonstrated in this world, without tantra, mantra etc that is

> > generally associated with this phenomenon. Before you good folks

> ask,

> > I will give examples, some good, others really evil, but you be

the

> > judge!

> >

> > Gandhi

> > Hitler

> > Rajneesh/Osho

> > Beetles

> > Elvis

> > Martin L. King

> > Mandela

> >

> > Some may wish to include Yogananda, Vivekananda, Mahesh Yogi but

> let

> > us focus ont he first six in this list.

> >

> > I am sure those, particularly those that did not see these as

> special

> > or even Karishmatic would readily agree that there was nothing

> > special about them (NOT MY PERSONAL VIEW, before you raise and

aim

> > your cyber bazookas this way, kids!) but without tantrik

vashikaran

> > they moved masses, more than most pahunchey baba nobody knows

them

> > tantriks can move, truth be told!

> >

> > Charts and astrological horoscopes are available for all of these

> > individuals, readily. What is there in their charts that allowed

> them

> > to demonstrably and documentedly do without any 'tak-tuk' (magic)

> > what they did and how they changed the history of mankind and the

> > CULTURE of man and woman and children and everything in between

> those

> > in massive phenomena that any vashikaran pales in front of.

> >

> > Do you agree?

> >

> > rohiniranjan

> >

> >

> >

> > , vattem krishnan

> > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > >

> > > There are many types of vasikaran.it is like hypnotising a

> > person.the person almost a vegetative structures and ready obey

the

> > master when orders were given.what he sees externally is

different

> > from what he perceives.sometimes the motor actor activity of the

> > nerves and muscles can be arrested.There are many ways in which

> > vasikiran is can be performed:By:Tantras as well as mantras

> > > This altogether a different kind of sastra and in ancient

> times,the

> > application in the past used to be resorted mosly by kings

> > > krishnan

> > >

> > > Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote:

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > Vashikaran is the process through which one attracts

> > > the other person towards himself. It is generally

> > > done by performing some rituals (mostly black magic)

> > > or by using hypnotism.

> > >

> > > I don't know what types of vashikaran are you talking

> > > about (I don't know types of vashikaran), but

> > > generally, it is either down on an individual or on a

> > > group (for short duration).

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Neeraj

> > >

> > > --- vashikaran1234 <vashikaran1234> wrote:

> > >

> > > > plz tell me what is vashikaran and its various

> > > > forms...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > http://www.neerajgupta.com

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click.

> > > http://farechase.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> RELISH

> > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> >

> >

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> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH

> THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

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Arjun ji,

 

Shri KN Rao ji in one of his articles has tackled the topic of 'men

with a mission'. He describes both the men with mission and men who

think they have a mission, in his direct no gimmick, cut to the chase

style :-)

 

If I recall correctly, the 2nd house and secondarily the 10th house

have been pointed out by Rao Saheb as the radar screens for judging

this. Indeed, there are some with large missions, and some with more

modest missions, though still important. Indeed in readings those

could be something that can be looked at first or early in the

formulation of the reading framework on which other influences,

traits can then be judged. Just wanted to share that very significant

hint Rao ji had given.

 

RR

 

, arjun pandit

<panditarjun2004> wrote:

>

> dear friends

>

> as RRji rightly observed, there is one thing common in all these

self-less people. they were all satyavratas i.e. following a self-

proclaimed discipline to speak truth, truth alone, only truth and

nothing but truth akin to raja harischandra of the erstwhile kashi

kingdom.

>

> as explained by some gurus, if you speak truth manasa, vacha and

karmana (trikarana suddhi) i.e. you think/contemlate to speak only

truth, you indeed speak truth only and also your actions speak truth

as loud as your words. initially, you would be subjected to all

kinds of difficulties, insults, losses etc. but after some time, he

starts feeling eternal bliss and alignment with truth (god) and

whatever the person says it becomes truth. growing with the habit of

speaking truth and going by the practice, whatever he says/predicts

would also become truth, be it future telling or giving blessing or a

curse. unfortunately, this is a process which can only be

experienced and not studied.

>

> when the father of our nation wrote "no religioun is higher than

truth" he literally means it. the bible mentions numerous times in

various chapters that TRUTH IS GOD and GOD IS TRUTH.

>

> with best wishes

> arjun

>

> rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> Some jupiter types (resonating to one of the two vibrations of

> jupiter) maintain that Jupiter fulfils all criteria of being a star

> (that was) rather than a planet subservient to what we know as sun

> our star.

>

> Makes sense that this creation was created by the incorporation of

> not one but at least two stars, one of which agreed to be silent

even

> while not losing its inherent promise or potency!

>

> Thus was born astrological reality through such bipolarity, such

> duality, some of which is not just two states of the same thing,

like

> the north and south pole on the same magnet body, but even present

in

> two disparate bodies, like the positron and electron!

>

> , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,(a mentor a torsteel made)

> > Not necesaary as the venus raising in my in ketu nakshtra of mola

> and the ascendant in poorvashdha ruled by venus can indicate how

old

> is madonna?

> > The sun is older than venus,dear sir

> > with mercury ruler of 7th and 10th in 12th in mars sign(a watery

> sign) in Anuradha nakshtra of saturn.These indications are enough

> between two dadas?

> > regards

> > krishnan

> >

> > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > Hehe, when you wrote Mentor, I hope you did not mean TORMentor as

> > many have tried to portray me as or see that side of me, here and

> > there!!

> >

> > Thanks for your addition to the thread and I hope you noted the

> > correction in the spelling of the 'main course' in the header? It

> was

> > beginning to bother me ;-)

> >

> > In fact I was planning to add Madona too (the italian one) and a

> few

> > other individuals but I rather not give clues to my age!

> >

> >

> > , vattem krishnan

> > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mentor,

> > > If Iam permitted to add I would also include in the list Swamy

> > Ramdev,which in the present decade he is the moving spirit

> exhorting

> > importance of Yoga.he is able to take all people with him and

> > convince the self cure of dreaded diseses through Pranayama and

> > Aurvedic approach.I have seen all over the country he emphasises

> and

> > impresses people to own yoga and practice pranayama.

> > > Coming bach to all such great personalities including Mother

> > Teressa,there is something extra ordinary be it Astrological

> > influences or their own internal capabilities acquired through

> > sadhana,they are those unbelievably great spirits who could have

> mass

> > follow up without seeking any personal benifits:

> > > They have sacrificed their lives for the benifit of mankind

> > > They have ensured importance of serving the people

> > > They have identified the root cause of the ideals of all people

> > > For them to reach out to people is to reach out to God

> > > Last but not least is the worship God through Mankind

> > > In no uncertain terms their Astro Charts totally

different.Their

> > Saturn always given them a great measure of reaching out to

> > people.Mercury in their charts was always able to pu their

> intellect

> > before every other need

> > > Their Mars never troubled them and they needed it to have the

> drive.

> > > Their Jupiter has taught them different approach and discipline.

> > > Finally they all owe to the Sun for the name and fame

> > > The moon to has done the great achievement of blessing their

> > mothers with such a noble minds

> > > krishnan

> > >

> > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > Dear Krishnan Dada and other fellow-forum members,

> > >

> > > Please understand I do not mean to lighten the environment by

> > taking

> > > attention away from Tantrik vashikaran and its many

> manifestations

> > > and variations as described and elaborated under Kamakhya

> Tantram --

> > -

> > >

> > > But how about the vashikaran that some charismatic personae

have

> > > demonstrated in this world, without tantra, mantra etc that is

> > > generally associated with this phenomenon. Before you good

folks

> > ask,

> > > I will give examples, some good, others really evil, but you be

> the

> > > judge!

> > >

> > > Gandhi

> > > Hitler

> > > Rajneesh/Osho

> > > Beetles

> > > Elvis

> > > Martin L. King

> > > Mandela

> > >

> > > Some may wish to include Yogananda, Vivekananda, Mahesh Yogi

but

> > let

> > > us focus ont he first six in this list.

> > >

> > > I am sure those, particularly those that did not see these as

> > special

> > > or even Karishmatic would readily agree that there was nothing

> > > special about them (NOT MY PERSONAL VIEW, before you raise and

> aim

> > > your cyber bazookas this way, kids!) but without tantrik

> vashikaran

> > > they moved masses, more than most pahunchey baba nobody knows

> them

> > > tantriks can move, truth be told!

> > >

> > > Charts and astrological horoscopes are available for all of

these

> > > individuals, readily. What is there in their charts that

allowed

> > them

> > > to demonstrably and documentedly do without any 'tak-tuk'

(magic)

> > > what they did and how they changed the history of mankind and

the

> > > CULTURE of man and woman and children and everything in between

> > those

> > > in massive phenomena that any vashikaran pales in front of.

> > >

> > > Do you agree?

> > >

> > > rohiniranjan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , vattem krishnan

> > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > There are many types of vasikaran.it is like hypnotising a

> > > person.the person almost a vegetative structures and ready obey

> the

> > > master when orders were given.what he sees externally is

> different

> > > from what he perceives.sometimes the motor actor activity of

the

> > > nerves and muscles can be arrested.There are many ways in which

> > > vasikiran is can be performed:By:Tantras as well as mantras

> > > > This altogether a different kind of sastra and in ancient

> > times,the

> > > application in the past used to be resorted mosly by kings

> > > > krishnan

> > > >

> > > > Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote:

> > > > Hi,

> > > >

> > > > Vashikaran is the process through which one attracts

> > > > the other person towards himself. It is generally

> > > > done by performing some rituals (mostly black magic)

> > > > or by using hypnotism.

> > > >

> > > > I don't know what types of vashikaran are you talking

> > > > about (I don't know types of vashikaran), but

> > > > generally, it is either down on an individual or on a

> > > > group (for short duration).

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Neeraj

> > > >

> > > > --- vashikaran1234 <vashikaran1234> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > plz tell me what is vashikaran and its various

> > > > > forms...

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > http://www.neerajgupta.com

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click.

> > > > http://farechase.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> > RELISH

> > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Terms

of

> > > Service.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one

click.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> RELISH

> > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > >

> > > Visit your group "" on the web.

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> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH

> THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

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> > Visit your group "" on the web.

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> >

> >

> >

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RRJi,

A preliminary response.For the six charts, Gandhi, Mandela, King,

Hitler, Rajneesh and Presley and working on the hints suggested by

you ,Saturn seems to be the common factor in the 2nd and tenth

houses. Located in tenth in 2 charts, located in second in one and

aspecting Tenth in three other charts. Interestingly, Ju aspects the

11th in four charts.

 

Gandhi: Sa in 2nd house, second Lord in Lagna; !0th lord in

tenth...Moon

AL the arudha lagna also in Karma Bhava

 

Mandela: Saturn, second lord in 8th, aspecting both Second and

tenth. Second alsp aspected by Su and Me.

Ma in tenth....AL, the maya also in karma bhava.

 

King: Ju, tenth Lord in second, aspecting 6th, 8th and 10th; Sa in

tenth.

AL in third along with the third karaka, Mars which is retro.

 

Hitler: Second Lord Mars in seventh aspecting second; Saturn in

tenth along with AL.

 

Rajneesh: Second lord Me in 8th aspecting second; almost everyone

aspecting second since 8th predominates.

Tenth Lord Sa in 8th, aspecting tenth. AL in third along with a

retro but exalted Jupiter.

An almost stationary Jupiter.

 

Presley: Second Lord Ju in 12th (11th from 2nd), Mars aspecting

second in which Su and me sit together.

The tenth Lord in second.

Sa aspects tenth from its location in fourth in its own house.

 

However, the almost magnetic following which these stalwarts got

doesn't seem to be explained by these factors. There should be much

more which I am missing in this so far pedesterian effort done by me

to try and understand this interesting query.

Jupiter has so far not shone for me as far as unravelling this

query goes and I am sure you have things up your sleeve.

 

regards

 

rishi

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