I have had many gurus in life! For those who might wish to (understand)read this!!

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Dear Friends,

>From the point to realise teacher is with in and the core nature undergoes

change experientially in the process of learning.

***probably we are able to mirror out and "encapsulate"these changes and reason

out them(changes) that take place in evry one can be seen through changing

planets(whether mars or some other planet)

 

***For that matter the fact is to realise "a cosmic moment"indicating the dawn

of 'entity"whose core and attitude are ever changing and the process of learning

is continuous in (one's)life

***changes that take place with in can be felt as the changes that have come out

of continous transitions of planets through dasas etc

we may therefore summarise:

<<<>>>experiences differ and bring about core and attitudinal changes

<<<>>>these changes are changes brought through ever changing nature of planets

<<>>Finally the dawn of an entity,right from that moment of time has been

growing and changing can be analysed and felt through a Chart.

The teacher with in whether we realise or nor is involved in reforming all of us

as a result of the continuous process of learning>let's now under stand:

 

"core nature and attitude developed change,"(?)

 

""the chart and the entity it is capturing in a cosmic moment, or trying to

....!"(an astrologer's birds view)

 

"write a journal, sincerely stating all our wishes and beefs and problems but

should not send it outside --

take IT in, absorb it all inside of us, deep inside during our daily

meditation, to revel in and enjoy daily!"(humans are bundle of nerves to feel

and relate)

The teacher is there within, always,

 

mars is the same, but it is not(same).It is moving all the time, it is changing

all the time, through transits and through dashas"

 

<<>>and the Chart finally does not reveal where it all began and ended.This is

what the cosmic nature every one ultimately realises and the phenomenon

ofchanging world can never be analysed fully!

Thes are only some kind of postulations(may be) if we go by Shri Rohini ji.can

be realised at specific moments when we get to look in to ourselves and revel:as

a wonderful story

 

krishnan

 

 

 

 

rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

Vijaya ji,

 

I too am not educated and systematically trained in the art and craft

of debate, either :-)

 

That is good, since now we can both focus on the content of what we

are discussing and not spend energy on the format and style of how we

present what we see!

 

I think I will have to agree with you that learning is about a change

within and water has many advantages over ice in that area/endeavour.

 

The simple point I was trying to make was that while a chart is fixed

in time and space, that entity that it is describing or trying to

encapsulate is not fixed in time and space and sometimes wise

jyotishis seem to forget that reality. A chart is like that photo you

might have seen of a drop of milk captured with a 1/8000 second rapid

flash that shows that drop like a flower or perhaps like a crown as

tiny droplets fly away from the main drop. It is very real, obvious,

but how many of us can claim to have actually seen that in our all-

seeing and all-knowing lives of 20, 30, 40, 60 whatever years! Yet we

know that it exists! So does the chart and the entity it is capturing

in a cosmic moment, or trying to ...!

 

 

RR

 

 

, "vijaya" <vijayamalur@t...>

wrote:

>

> i understand sir, but how can our core nature and attitude

developed change, it really needs transitional change, flowing water

sounds too good to gain knowledge, than the ice, pls highlight me, i

am not as intellecutal as u sir to debate with u, but certainly can

absorb the knowledge and insight of your

> regards

>

> vijaya

> -

> rohiniranjan

>

> Sunday, November 06, 2005 4:23 PM

> Re: I have had many gurus in life! For those who

might wish to read this!!

>

>

> It is not willpower, dear -- on any POWER!

> It is about truly realizing that while important, each atom

really

> does not make a difference and is entirely dispensible. Recent

> medical knowledge talks about tissues and organs being completely

> renewed in our bodies over 7-10 years! In 10 years your organs

will

> be recycled so they have completely different atoms than what

they

> had 10 years ago!

>

> Even organs like brain that do not turn-over and grow or change

that

> much, as per conventional medical wisdom! But the atoms that make

> those dormant organs do change!

>

> Astrologers must become sensitive to that kind of turnover, that

kind

> of subtle change! We look at that mars in the natal radix at age

15,

> age 25, age 50, age 70 and think that mars is the same, but it is

not!

>

> It is moving all the time, it is changing all the time, through

> transits and through dashas and more than a few of those!

>

> Flowing water OR ice --- Your choice!

>

> RR

>

>

>

> , "vijaya"

<vijayamalur@t...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir

> >

> > honestly i like ur mail so much, but how many of us ahve that

kind

> of willpower to absorb our problems and worries to ourselves and

> still feel normal

> > i did have the habit of writing diary and re-read it again and

> again and used to find the problems becoming smaller and smaller

as i

> read it again and again

> > but over a period of time we become so vulnerable and feel like

> discussing it with friends and known people and get some kind of

> relief

> > pls do let me know how to control the mind and have the bliss

of

> life

> > best regards

> >

> > vijaya

> > -

> > rohiniranjan

> >

> > Sunday, November 06, 2005 3:49 PM

> > Re: I have had many gurus in life! For those

who

> might wish to read this!!

> >

> >

> > Dear Friends!

> >

> > Your disappointment reaches me deep inside, but I think it

was

> mis-

> > addressed!

> >

> > I truly believe that when something really bothers us -- we

must

> > always write a letter, a journal but we should not send it

out to

> > someone else outside of us! This is where you and I differ!

> >

> > See, I truly believe and advocate that we all - whether with

or

> > without gurus and teachers, must write a journal, sincerely --

 

> > stating all our wishes and beefs and problems but then we

should

> not

> > send it outside -- rather we MUST take IT in, we absorb it

all

> inside

> > of us, deep inside during our daily meditation, the precious

> quality

> > time we are supposed to revel in and enjoy daily!

> >

> > The teacher is there within, always, even or particularly

when he

> or

> > she does not choose to materialize and hit us on the head as

an

> > external being from the outside!

> >

> >

> > When we realize that we miss or have lost something valuable

that

> we

> > know had always been ours, we FIRST look for it inside our

HOME!

> >

> >

> > <Just now promoted to Foreman,>

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> >

> > , vattem krishnan

> > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > >

> > > Rishi ji

> > > I really eulogise his formanship.In any way he does not

relish

> > acharyas.That is greatness of him

> > > krishnan

> > >

> > > rishi_2000in <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> > > Krishnanji,

> > > I presume that is the modesty of Rohiniranjanji,He can view

the

> big

> > > picture too but prefers to deal with microlevel parts of

the

> > > picture, which are more difficult to handle!

> > > regards

> > > rishi

> > > , vattem krishnan

> > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri Rohini ji,

> > > > Kindly make me understand:'This big picture concept has

> become

> > > very popular with the politicians, professional as well as

the

> > > innate ones, in all countries and walks of life."

> > > > some plumbing would be sufficient please

> > > > krishnan

> > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > But you did not tell me what was cryptic or where was the

> > > obscurity!

> > > > Without that I am clueless as to what to fix! I don't

want to

> fix

> > > the

> > > > plumbing when the wiring is at fault!! Makes sense?

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , vattem krishnan

> > > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > 20/20 fine.no more veiled in obscurity

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > Am not sure I understand why you are calling my writing

> > > > > style 'cryptic'? :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > I do like to use analogies and metaphores at times but

they

> are

> > > > > generally very transparent, or so I think anyway.

Hardly

> > > cryptic,

> > > > > hidden, between the lines, etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > If others are also finding my writing difficult to

> understand,

> > I

> > > > hope

> > > > > they will let me know so that I can improve my clarity

and

> > bring

> > > it

> > > > > up to 20/20 ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , vattem

krishnan

> > > > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini ji,

> > > > > > More I read more Iam facinated with your cryptic:If

only

> they

> > > > could

> > > > > have had

> > > > > > laser surgery to correct their astigmatism earlier .

> > > > > > may be you are made to find ways to remain obscure

from

> > making

> > > > > available your postings(to me).

> > > > > > I prefer to call if not by the conventional ways but

may

> I

> > > > consider

> > > > > as my"role model"Infact Iam frantically searching for

one

> and

> > to

> > > my

> > > > > loss everybody denies me a teacher and Guru

> > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > Krishnan dada,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I hope you were not addressing me as 'Gurudev' but

simply

> > > opening

> > > > > > your posting with respects to your Gurudeva -- like

some

> > > people

> > > > > start

> > > > > > their letters with God's name :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I personally am a bit allergic to even being called

> acharya

> > or

> > > > > > teacher as oft stated here and elsewhere. Even that

label

> is

> > > > tossed

> > > > > > out and accepted too casually these days. It has

almost

> > become

> > > a

> > > > > joke!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I understand your statements which are really talking

> about

> > > > > the 'big

> > > > > > picture' which the divine consciousness (Mahatmas,

real

> > Gurus,

> > > > God)

> > > > > > understand and the "small picture" which the lay

people

> like

> > > me

> > > > > > understand and have to work from. This big picture

> concept

> > has

> > > > > become

> > > > > > very popular with the politicians, professional as

well

> as

> > the

> > > > > innate

> > > > > > ones, in all countries and walks of life. If only

they

> could

> > > have

> > > > > had

> > > > > > laser surgery to correct their astigmatism earlier :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > > , vattem

krishnan

> > > > > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Gurudev ji Pranam!

> > > > > > > The war slated was between Dharma and Adharma.If

Shri

> > > Bhishma

> > > > > > Pitamamah andRaja Guru Dronacharya if fighting with

> Adharma

> > > > being

> > > > > on

> > > > > > the side but mentally with Dharma.For a lay man it is

> really

> > > > > > difficult to grasp the resultant of actions(karma).If

> kaurav

> > > sena

> > > > > > suffered 'coz Adhrma Yuddha and even those fought for

the

> > sake

> > > of

> > > > > > Dharma(may be through the means of Adhrma)Pandavas

> including

> > > the

> > > > > > mentors Nara-Narayan were not spared.This lesson

taught

> by

> > > Shri

> > > > Ved

> > > > > > Vyas ji has many anecdotes conveying repect to elders

and

> > > owing

> > > > to

> > > > > > Gurujans for their contribution directly or

indirectly

> for

> > > > > promoting

> > > > > > values.Now being re enacted through T.V and media for

> > > marketing

> > > > > > various products through sponsoring the soap opera

> (?).Today's

> > > > > society

> > > > > > accepts Gurus through power point presentations.

> > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > prnams

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > > And if I remember correctly, wasn't Dronacharya

asking

> such

> > > a

> > > > > > > punitive dakshina as taking away the thumb of a

Star

> > Archer,

> > > > with

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > ulterior motive? But to the credit of the Creator

of

> the

> > > great

> > > > > > epic,

> > > > > > > even Dronacharya paid a karmic price for his

unfairness!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Even Mahagurus are not beyond the Rules of Karma

and

> must

> > > watch

> > > > > > out,

> > > > > > > regardless of their motives!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , vattem

> krishnan

> > > > > > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When Dronacharya refused to be the Guru of

> EKALAVYA,that

> > > > famous

> > > > > > > tribal has adopted him as his teacher and mentor

> learned

> > all

> > > > > > > skills.what ever may the intent underlined in such

> puranic

> > > > > > tales,the

> > > > > > > Gur dakshina(seemed to heve been sought by the

> illustrative

> > > > > Acharya

> > > > > > > ji) was very very expensive.Yet Ekalavya

volunteered

> and

> > > > > > scrificed.In

> > > > > > > today's world of jyotish it is difficult to find

such

> > simple

> > > > > ardent

> > > > > > > disciples(sishyas) of persuasive nature and

determined

> to

> > > seek

> > > > > > > knowledge .Also Guru ji's who will be willing to

devote

> his

> > > > > > attention

> > > > > > > to teach values,skills and almost donate all his

> > > capabilities

> > > > and

> > > > > > > feel satisfied that he has kept up the high morale

for

> > > > > propagation

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > various Vidyas(knowledge).it is as important as to

> identify

> > > a

> > > > > > proper

> > > > > > > person to teach as well as a Guru who will be

selfless

> and

> > > > eager

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > share his wisdom.

> > > > > > > > This is very discouraging situation that the

element

> > > > > > of 'sacrifice"

> > > > > > > essential for propogation of knowledge is also

> > conspicuously

> > > > > > absent.

> > > > > > > let alone acknowledgements.

> > > > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Sorry for this somewhat cryptic message, dear

forum

> > > friends!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have always thought myself as being unduly

blessed

> > > because

> > > > I

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > so many flesh and blood Gurus (many did not even

want

> to

> > > be

> > > > or

> > > > > > > claimed

> > > > > > > > to)in day-to-day life that they somehow and

magically

> > > > sustained

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > nearly total absence of flesh and blood Gurus in

this

> > > > lifetime

> > > > > > > > insofaras Jyotish Gurus and even Acharyaas are

> concerned!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > One very significant scientist Guru taught me or

> perhaps

> > > > > reminded

> > > > > > > me of

> > > > > > > > the two following tenets which I absolutely adore:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > a) The faintest trace of ink is stronger than the

> > > strongest

> > > > > human

> > > > > > > memory

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > b) Discretion often is the better part of valour!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks for your attention!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > PS: PLEASE indulge me siblings (and friends who

are

> > really

> > > > > > siblings

> > > > > > > > born to other mothers as they say!) READ it but

> please do

> > > not

> > > > > > > respond

> > > > > > > > to this sharing, just for the heck of it!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks!!

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