Astrology---Is it a set of past symbols?

November 6, 2005

Dear All,

I have been thinking about the efficacy of astrology

in alleviating the hardships of a common man; by

common man, I simply mean a guy like me who is not

endowed with the intellectual to understand that the

sufferings in this birth is owing to the karmic debts

that one has accumulated over the past several lives;

a common man like me also doesn’t understand that it

is a matter of destiny to find good astrologers;a

common man like me fails to understand that even if

you are able to find the best of astrologers who are

able to predict the future with divine precision, they

would fail in predicting your future if you don’t have

the divine approval for availing astrological help.

And most of the time, it is a common guy like me, who

has been beaten, whacked, pooped savagely by the

destiny that he turns to astrology—to look for some

option to have himself alleviated of his sufferings

either by seeking help of the astrologers, or by

himself trying his hands at astrology. I am sure it

takes lot of intelligence, philosophical mindset, and

some kind of “divine drishti” to understand astrology

through the maze of so many principles, concepts,

scriptures and “shlokas”. And in the end, such a

common man, who is devoid of requisite intelligence to

understand astrology or to understand the quirky ways

of life, ends up with what, I am not sure of!

Please note here, I am not doubting the credentials of

astrology; I am simply trying to wonder, albeit

loudly, about the efficacy of astrology in relieving a

common man from his sufferings or at least providing

him with some respite from the excruciating troubles

of life. And I am not sure how many people (common

people) are able to get respite by resorting to

astrology.

I remember meeting T.N Sheshan, the famous Election

Commissioner (who himself was a very erudite

astrologer) once when I was a journalist with The

Times of India back in India. Our discussion was

veering around tensions between two communities in

India. He told me some very remarkable stuff: I am

quoting him below.

“Man is an amphibian who lives simultaneously in two

worlds—the given and the home-made, the world of

matter, life and consciousness and the world of

symbols. In our thinking we make use of great variety

of symbol systems---linguistics, mathematical,

pictorial, musical, ritualistic. Without such

symbol-systems we should have no art, no science, now

law, no philosophy, not so much as the rudiments of

civilization; in other words, we should be animals.

“Symbols then are indispensable. But symbols—as the

history of our own and every other age makes so

abundantly clear—can also be fatal. Consider, for

example, the domain of science on the one hand, the

domain of politics and religion on the other. Thinking

in terms of, and acting in response to, one set of

symbols, we have come, in some small measure, to

understand and control the elementary forces of

nature. Thinking in terms of, and acting in response

to, another set of symbols, we use these forces as

instruments of mass murder and collective suicide.

This symbolism is the root cause of all anarchy and

madness plaguing the world today”.

Now, as I think (by extrapolating Sheshan’s words),

over the years (since the Vedic days and the since the

days of vedic scholars), sages, logicians,

mathematicians, attempted to carry out a very

thorough analysis of the symbols, in terms of which

men do their thinking. In today’s era, such attempts

(or such study) are classified as linguistics. They

analyze the various ways, correct and incorrect,

meaningful and meaningless, in which worlds can be

related to things, processes and events.

In every region and at every period of history, there

have been people (sages, avtars, demi gods) who even

sacrificed their own lives in an attempt to alleviate

the sufferings of mankind. It is simply my belief that

such men, when they spoke or wrote, wanted to create

no systems, for they knew that every system is a

standing temptation to take symbols too seriously, to

pay more attention to words than to realities for

which the words are supposed to stand. Their aim, I

guess, was not offer ready-made explanations and

panaceas; it was to induce people to diagnose and cure

their own ills, to get them to go to the place where

man’s problems and its solution present themselves

directly to experience.

Against the aforesaid backdrop, I sincerely feel that

our sages had never written the astrological

scriptures simply to make a system whereby the mankind

could foresee the future. They were, in my belief,

were written to goad people to diagnose and cure their

own ills.

I think over the years some shrewd people time and

again hijacked these scriptures and came out with

their own interpretation, perhaps to place themselves

in a leadership position. I guess this kind of

arrangement worked for the people who were leading and

the people who were lead. To the man who leads, it

brings gratification of the craving for power; to

those who are led, it brings the gratification for the

desire, certainty, and security.

I am reminded of the words of great philosopher

Krishnamurthy. “Organized religions, with their

mediators, their sacred books, their dogmas, their

hierarchies and rituals offer only false solutions to

the life’s problems. When one quotes from Bhagvad

Geeta, or the Bible or some Chinese Sacred Book,

surely they are merely repeating. And what one is

repeating is not the truth; it is a lie, for truth

can’t be repeated. A lie can be extended, propounded,

and repeated, but not the truth; and when you repeat

the truth, it ceases to be truth. And thus sacred

books are not important. It is through self-knowledge,

not through belief in somebody else’s symbols that a

man comes to the external reality in which he is being

grounded. Belief in the complete adequacy and

superlative value of any given symbol system leads not

to liberation, but to history, to more of the same old

disasters”.

So here it goes: If we apply the same principle to

astrology, then does astrology with its pre-determined

formulas can help anybody in distress? I am not sure.

However, having said so, I am also not sure whether I

would leave astrology completely. I am also a being

who has been brought up with certain values,

traditions and symbols, and I am expected to adhere to

them, lest I am singled out as “anti social”. I also

pray to God that my disenchantment goes away quickly

(here I want to pray to God— here again I want to

adhere to the age-old established concept: That if you

pray to God, everything becomes OK). Like every other

guy on this planet, I am also too deep rooted in my

set of symbols. Perhaps, my disenchantment stems from

the fact that I have been again plummeted to

rock-bottom with no job, and nothing to look forward

in life. And that astrology failed me, like many

umpteen number of times before, this time too.

Tailpiece: My disenchantment for astrology creeps in

with the onset of Mercury Mahadasha (Taurus ascendant,

Mercury being fifth lord in the first house).

Best Regards To All Of You

Manoj Sharma

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November 6, 2005

Manoj ji,

''Against the aforesaid backdrop, I sincerely feel that

our sages had never written the astrological

scriptures simply to make a system whereby the mankind

could foresee the future. They were, in my belief,

were written to goad people to diagnose and cure their

own ills.''

In my opinion this is not disenchantment with astrology but the

sensible approach to this study of time and motion.

I agree with your thoughts that Jyotisha is no shortcut or panacea

for all troubles........yet..hope springs eternal in the human

breast..

regards

rishi

November 6, 2005

Dear Shri manoj ji,

Some clue about the Taurus ascendant and the disenchantment in the life

eventhogh mercury as friend of lord of lagna is posited in lagna was most

essential to follow rest of the propositions that have been made while finding

out the beginning and trying to trace the finety of the Nature around.

This task could be ventured only by an earth sign as that of a Taurus ascendant

and endowed with the presence of Mercury in lagna.

Let me therefore pay my respects abiintio for all that analysis and disillusion

for failing predictions of Astrology and it's inability to aid a common man

"Taurus ascendant,Mercury being fifth lord in the first house). :)"

>From this starting point the methodology adopted to explore nature through

symbols and able to formulate a system of communicate beyond any bod'ys a huge

task and may bwe wre also apprecite those efforts in these lines.

Then the motives initially are to charge those innocnet lives for their

sacrifices to come out with some kind of revealations.Ofcourse they never forced

on any one of us to follow or adopt them as scriptures.Yet on our way we used

these in whateverform they can be as our utilities and get disappointed as they

are not in the anture of universal applications for use of common man.

if any person comes forwrd to help the common man and the community as a whole

it is not difficult to understand how much apathy and wrath he would be facing

for various reasons known only to intellectuls as they question every thing and

any thing in this universe.

Point however remains about the utility of Astrology and it's ability to come to

the aid of common man and help him to make alife of fulfilment.

certainly Astrology is in a position to do the needful like any other subject is

accepted as subject of relevance and for the use of common man.

we have fixed orientation in terming things as predetermined for the simple

reason we do not want to explore well and conclude.

After all as humanbeings there are certain things which we fail to attin and for

this we target as Astrology and Astrologers instead of thinking inwards and able

to reason out.

Education and knowledge transmission has now got the pace from the world of

symbols to the present technology and extend an opportunity to know what things

stand for?

If only we understand and observe these symbols very intimately and have the

liking to devote time to analyse firther,then we can say as they carry some

significance,

Astrology besides all other sciences are coming to the aid of common aid by

various means including able persons volunteering to apply and help the common

man.

In the following propositions Iam afraid we are only conveying our

disenchantment and failure without taking up further which is very uncommon of

Taurus ascendant.

Give us time to understand the nature of mercury and why at this point

disenchanted you so much?we are also willing join hands with you to infer if

only we also conclude as this mystery is not understandable and also explain to

you.

if instant results come without Astrologer telling it is the greatness of the

person and if the person has to undergo some difficult moments and nobody could

tell we only condemn instead of giving some scope for them to find it it the end

of story to confine a huamnbeing inhis own chains.

probably just reveiw what is it we really want to potray about the interest of a

group of people who are putting their energies in to de symbolise and give some

meaning and push

regards

astrology with its pre-determinedformulas can help anybody in distress? I am not

sure

This symbolism is the root cause of all anarchy andmadness plaguing the world

today”.

every system is astanding temptation to take symbols too seriously, topay more

attention to words than to realities for

which the words are supposed to stand

if you don’t have the divine approval for availing astrological help

some kind of “divine drishti” to understand astrologythrough the maze of so many

principles, concepts,scriptures and “shlokas

in my belief,were written to goad people to diagnose and cure their

own ills.

the efficacy of astrology in relieving acommon man from his sufferings or at

least providinghim with some respite from the excruciating troubles

of life.

we have come, in some small measure, tounderstand and control the elementary

forces ofnature.

Kindly understand that the subjcet Astrology is developing from it's nascent

stage to the stage of acceptance by a common man.It has miles to go and can go

if only an opportunity is given.In this effort every one has something to

contribute and all your propositions need also some data statistics to find why

things hapeen (ed ) beyond the understanding and is it human efforts are getting

failed for no fault of the person.

I think Group will be able to address these issues before we think fit to

conclude on the same lines of Shri Manoj ji

krishnan

Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000 wrote:

Dear All,

I have been thinking about the efficacy of astrology

in alleviating the hardships of a common man; by

common man, I simply mean a guy like me who is not

endowed with the intellectual to understand that the

sufferings in this birth is owing to the karmic debts

that one has accumulated over the past several lives;

a common man like me also doesn’t understand that it

is a matter of destiny to find good astrologers;a

common man like me fails to understand that even if

you are able to find the best of astrologers who are

able to predict the future with divine precision, they

would fail in predicting your future if you don’t have

the divine approval for availing astrological help.

And most of the time, it is a common guy like me, who

has been beaten, whacked, pooped savagely by the

destiny that he turns to astrology—to look for some

option to have himself alleviated of his sufferings

either by seeking help of the astrologers, or by

himself trying his hands at astrology. I am sure it

takes lot of intelligence, philosophical mindset, and

some kind of “divine drishti” to understand astrology

through the maze of so many principles, concepts,

scriptures and “shlokas”. And in the end, such a

common man, who is devoid of requisite intelligence to

understand astrology or to understand the quirky ways

of life, ends up with what, I am not sure of!

Please note here, I am not doubting the credentials of

astrology; I am simply trying to wonder, albeit

loudly, about the efficacy of astrology in relieving a

common man from his sufferings or at least providing

him with some respite from the excruciating troubles

of life. And I am not sure how many people (common

people) are able to get respite by resorting to

astrology.

I remember meeting T.N Sheshan, the famous Election

Commissioner (who himself was a very erudite

astrologer) once when I was a journalist with The

Times of India back in India. Our discussion was

veering around tensions between two communities in

India. He told me some very remarkable stuff: I am

quoting him below.

“Man is an amphibian who lives simultaneously in two

worlds—the given and the home-made, the world of

matter, life and consciousness and the world of

symbols. In our thinking we make use of great variety

of symbol systems---linguistics, mathematical,

pictorial, musical, ritualistic. Without such

symbol-systems we should have no art, no science, now

law, no philosophy, not so much as the rudiments of

civilization; in other words, we should be animals.

“Symbols then are indispensable. But symbols—as the

history of our own and every other age makes so

abundantly clear—can also be fatal. Consider, for

example, the domain of science on the one hand, the

domain of politics and religion on the other. Thinking

in terms of, and acting in response to, one set of

symbols, we have come, in some small measure, to

understand and control the elementary forces of

nature. Thinking in terms of, and acting in response

to, another set of symbols, we use these forces as

instruments of mass murder and collective suicide.

This symbolism is the root cause of all anarchy and

madness plaguing the world today”.

Now, as I think (by extrapolating Sheshan’s words),

over the years (since the Vedic days and the since the

days of vedic scholars), sages, logicians,

mathematicians, attempted to carry out a very

thorough analysis of the symbols, in terms of which

men do their thinking. In today’s era, such attempts

(or such study) are classified as linguistics. They

analyze the various ways, correct and incorrect,

meaningful and meaningless, in which worlds can be

related to things, processes and events.

In every region and at every period of history, there

have been people (sages, avtars, demi gods) who even

sacrificed their own lives in an attempt to alleviate

the sufferings of mankind. It is simply my belief that

such men, when they spoke or wrote, wanted to create

no systems, for they knew that every system is a

standing temptation to take symbols too seriously, to

pay more attention to words than to realities for

which the words are supposed to stand. Their aim, I

guess, was not offer ready-made explanations and

panaceas; it was to induce people to diagnose and cure

their own ills, to get them to go to the place where

man’s problems and its solution present themselves

directly to experience.

Against the aforesaid backdrop, I sincerely feel that

our sages had never written the astrological

scriptures simply to make a system whereby the mankind

could foresee the future. They were, in my belief,

were written to goad people to diagnose and cure their

own ills.

I think over the years some shrewd people time and

again hijacked these scriptures and came out with

their own interpretation, perhaps to place themselves

in a leadership position. I guess this kind of

arrangement worked for the people who were leading and

the people who were lead. To the man who leads, it

brings gratification of the craving for power; to

those who are led, it brings the gratification for the

desire, certainty, and security.

I am reminded of the words of great philosopher

Krishnamurthy. “Organized religions, with their

mediators, their sacred books, their dogmas, their

hierarchies and rituals offer only false solutions to

the life’s problems. When one quotes from Bhagvad

Geeta, or the Bible or some Chinese Sacred Book,

surely they are merely repeating. And what one is

repeating is not the truth; it is a lie, for truth

can’t be repeated. A lie can be extended, propounded,

and repeated, but not the truth; and when you repeat

the truth, it ceases to be truth. And thus sacred

books are not important. It is through self-knowledge,

not through belief in somebody else’s symbols that a

man comes to the external reality in which he is being

grounded. Belief in the complete adequacy and

superlative value of any given symbol system leads not

to liberation, but to history, to more of the same old

disasters”.

So here it goes: If we apply the same principle to

astrology, then does astrology with its pre-determined

formulas can help anybody in distress? I am not sure.

However, having said so, I am also not sure whether I

would leave astrology completely. I am also a being

who has been brought up with certain values,

traditions and symbols, and I am expected to adhere to

them, lest I am singled out as “anti social”. I also

pray to God that my disenchantment goes away quickly

(here I want to pray to God— here again I want to

adhere to the age-old established concept: That if you

pray to God, everything becomes OK). Like every other

guy on this planet, I am also too deep rooted in my

set of symbols. Perhaps, my disenchantment stems from

the fact that I have been again plummeted to

rock-bottom with no job, and nothing to look forward

in life. And that astrology failed me, like many

umpteen number of times before, this time too.

Tailpiece: My disenchantment for astrology creeps in

with the onset of Mercury Mahadasha (Taurus ascendant,

Mercury being fifth lord in the first house).

Best Regards To All Of You

Manoj Sharma

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November 7, 2005

Dear Krishnan Saheb,

You have listed some valid points in response to my

mail; I am still brooding over them (now a days I have

lot of free time ), and I would write back if I have

any more clarifications to seek.

Thanks once again Sir for raising some very pertinent

points.

Best Regards

Manoj

--- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

> Dear Shri manoj ji,

> Some clue about the Taurus ascendant and the

> disenchantment in the life eventhogh mercury as

> friend of lord of lagna is posited in lagna was most

> essential to follow rest of the propositions that

> have been made while finding out the beginning and

> trying to trace the finety of the Nature around.

> This task could be ventured only by an earth sign as

> that of a Taurus ascendant and endowed with the

> presence of Mercury in lagna.

> Let me therefore pay my respects abiintio for all

> that analysis and disillusion for failing

> predictions of Astrology and it's inability to aid a

> common man

> "Taurus ascendant,Mercury being fifth lord in the

> first house). :)"

>

> From this starting point the methodology adopted to

> explore nature through symbols and able to formulate

> a system of communicate beyond any bod'ys a huge

> task and may bwe wre also apprecite those efforts in

> these lines.

>

> Then the motives initially are to charge those

> innocnet lives for their sacrifices to come out with

> some kind of revealations.Ofcourse they never forced

> on any one of us to follow or adopt them as

> scriptures.Yet on our way we used these in

> whateverform they can be as our utilities and get

> disappointed as they are not in the anture of

> universal applications for use of common man.

>

> if any person comes forwrd to help the common man

> and the community as a whole it is not difficult to

> understand how much apathy and wrath he would be

> facing for various reasons known only to

> intellectuls as they question every thing and any

> thing in this universe.

> Point however remains about the utility of Astrology

> and it's ability to come to the aid of common man

> and help him to make alife of fulfilment.

> certainly Astrology is in a position to do the

> needful like any other subject is accepted as

> subject of relevance and for the use of common man.

> we have fixed orientation in terming things as

> predetermined for the simple reason we do not want

> to explore well and conclude.

> After all as humanbeings there are certain things

> which we fail to attin and for this we target as

> Astrology and Astrologers instead of thinking

> inwards and able to reason out.

> Education and knowledge transmission has now got the

> pace from the world of symbols to the present

> technology and extend an opportunity to know what

> things stand for?

>

> If only we understand and observe these symbols very

> intimately and have the liking to devote time to

> analyse firther,then we can say as they carry some

> significance,

> Astrology besides all other sciences are coming to

> the aid of common aid by various means including

> able persons volunteering to apply and help the

> common man.

> In the following propositions Iam afraid we are only

> conveying our disenchantment and failure without

> taking up further which is very uncommon of Taurus

> ascendant.

> Give us time to understand the nature of mercury and

> why at this point disenchanted you so much?we are

> also willing join hands with you to infer if only we

> also conclude as this mystery is not understandable

> and also explain to you.

> if instant results come without Astrologer telling

> it is the greatness of the person and if the person

> has to undergo some difficult moments and nobody

> could tell we only condemn instead of giving some

> scope for them to find it it the end of story to

> confine a huamnbeing inhis own chains.

> probably just reveiw what is it we really want to

> potray about the interest of a group of people who

> are putting their energies in to de symbolise and

> give some meaning and push

> regards

>

> astrology with its pre-determinedformulas can help

> anybody in distress? I am not sure

>

> This symbolism is the root cause of all anarchy

> andmadness plaguing the world today”.

>

> every system is astanding temptation to take symbols

> too seriously, topay more attention to words than to

> realities for

> which the words are supposed to stand

>

> if you don’t have the divine approval for availing

> astrological help

>

> some kind of “divine drishti” to understand

> astrologythrough the maze of so many principles,

> concepts,scriptures and “shlokas

>

> in my belief,were written to goad people to diagnose

> and cure their

> own ills.

>

> the efficacy of astrology in relieving acommon man

> from his sufferings or at least providinghim with

> some respite from the excruciating troubles

> of life.

>

> we have come, in some small measure, tounderstand

> and control the elementary forces ofnature.

>

> Kindly understand that the subjcet Astrology is

> developing from it's nascent stage to the stage of

> acceptance by a common man.It has miles to go and

> can go if only an opportunity is given.In this

> effort every one has something to contribute and all

> your propositions need also some data statistics to

> find why things hapeen (ed ) beyond the

> understanding and is it human efforts are getting

> failed for no fault of the person.

> I think Group will be able to address these issues

> before we think fit to conclude on the same lines of

> Shri Manoj ji

> krishnan

> Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000 wrote:

> Dear All,

>

> I have been thinking about the efficacy of astrology

> in alleviating the hardships of a common man; by

> common man, I simply mean a guy like me who is not

> endowed with the intellectual to understand that the

> sufferings in this birth is owing to the karmic

> debts

> that one has accumulated over the past several

> lives;

> a common man like me also doesn’t understand that it

> is a matter of destiny to find good astrologers;a

> common man like me fails to understand that even if

> you are able to find the best of astrologers who are

> able to predict the future with divine precision,

> they

> would fail in predicting your future if you don’t

> have

> the divine approval for availing astrological help.

> And most of the time, it is a common guy like me,

> who

> has been beaten, whacked, pooped savagely by the

> destiny that he turns to astrology—to look for some

> option to have himself alleviated of his sufferings

> either by seeking help of the astrologers, or by

> himself trying his hands at astrology. I am sure it

> takes lot of intelligence, philosophical mindset,

> and

> some kind of “divine drishti” to understand

> astrology

> through the maze of so many principles, concepts,

> scriptures and “shlokas”. And in the end, such a

> common man, who is devoid of requisite intelligence

> to

> understand astrology or to understand the quirky

> ways

> of life, ends up with what, I am not sure of!

> Please note here, I am not doubting the credentials

> of

> astrology; I am simply trying to wonder, albeit

> loudly, about the efficacy of astrology in relieving

> a

> common man from his sufferings or at least providing

> him with some respite from the excruciating troubles

> of life. And I am not sure how many people (common

> people) are able to get respite by resorting to

> astrology.

> I remember meeting T.N Sheshan, the famous Election

> Commissioner (who himself was a very erudite

> astrologer) once when I was a journalist with The

> Times of India back in India. Our discussion was

> veering around tensions between two communities in

> India. He told me some very remarkable stuff: I am

> quoting him below.

> “Man is an amphibian who lives simultaneously in two

> worlds—the given and the home-made, the world of

> matter, life and consciousness and the world of

> symbols. In our thinking we make use of great

> variety

> of symbol systems---linguistics, mathematical,

> pictorial, musical, ritualistic. Without such

> symbol-systems we should have no art, no science,

> now

>

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November 7, 2005

Krishnan ji,

Not quoting your message because those interested must read in original

format and not in the distorted format that posts quoted

messages. Also, it is best to get directly exposed to the 'sun' (your

original beautiful posting straight from your kind soul) if a reader

wishes to benefit from the warmth, rather than from a

picture/image/arudha of the sun!

It is sad that intellectual approaches and bases must stand

precariously on an uneven bedrock of facts, incompletely inherited by

modern humans when it comes to something like astrology. There are many

gaps, even in the axiomatic base of our Great Craft. However, such is

the nature of intellect that it must go through the 'uha-poh' and thus

remain vulnerable to doubts and at its worst must focus on bits and

pieces that may not make sense and hence cast larger doubts than are

real. Very fine minds, some of the best in fact, get drawn to jyotish

and hope mounts that it shall all be rediscovered and the crown shall

be restored to its golden glory.

Some of the frustration comes from impatience (it has to happen during

my lifetime, this one -- for instance being one illusion) -- well the

finest of finest astrologers, come and go and have over the last many

many millennia and we are still bickering and fighting over basics! The

other being, of course, that everything can be explained or must be

based on the astrology that we know at this point in time or that has

been revealed to us -- perhaps based on our karmic level of

comprehension (and it could be more than just intellectual a phenomenon

but true INSIGHT!). And -- then the biggest of the illusion, that the

neocortex, the reasoning brain that is the newest and not necessarily

the most stable part of it (after all it is the child and wobbly at

best about certain things!) that we over-rely on! Seriously, who would

trust their pention fund investment strategy on the advice of a child

even if it sounds like a prodigy? Too cryptic, Sir??

Human beings naturally tend to be biased and subjective, even the most

intellectual and rational amongst us. This is because even when we

staring at the reality, we are staring at it -- whatever it is --

through coloured glasses. Glasses coloured by our past experiences of

many many lifetimes, our karmic goggles and by the looks of it, it

almost seems like we are born with inner lenses that themselves are

coloured. So it is not some rosy-coloured glasses that we can toss away

easily. The only way to overcome the colour-cast of these inner lenses

that we are born with is to correct the colour when the brain perceives

the distorted image. Our brains and intellect are equipped to perform

this kind of 'correction' -- this is why we know something is an

optical illusion when we see one. But ONLY when we know that it is an

optical illusion! This very same knowledgeable person I am talking

about will experience fear and racing of heart when they see a snake in

their bed in a dim room they are entering -- although they know of and

have heard of illusions and how ropes appear as snakes in dimly lit

rooms!

We are all born with such abilities and such vulnerabilities that we

should never forget both and only then we will be able to watch out

when one or the other side of our being suddenly tries to gain upper

hand and distort our vision -- intellect as well as intuition!

Of course, what do I know!

RR

November 7, 2005

Dear Sir,

It is an endowment for all bi peds humans(and signs):"intellect as well as

intuition".certainly Chatushpadassome where denied of this endowment.Iam afraid

that let us not find fault with Nature (God) he has carved a wrong Yoni like

humans by providing "intellect as well as intuition".The Royal planet ceratinly

is a mysterious creation of Almighty and later the Royal Cabinet and council of

Ministers?

regards

krishnan

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