Q for beginners only (<1 year in jyotish)! ambiguity on kemadruma yoga(KDY)

October 19, 2005

Beginners only (<1 year in jyotish) -- did you spot the mistake in

the following posting?

RR

, "Rohini (Crystal Pages)"

<rrgb@s...> wrote:

>

> Absolutely Sir --- and I can say with confidence that NO jyotishis

> worth their salt really ever looks at a chart in a manner in which

> most of us describe things here due to the sequential nature of

this

> medium. We can only describe one yoga, one item at a time and in

many

> messages. However, when we look at a chart in a horoscopic reading

> situation, we spot the kemadruma but also note that there may not

be

> a classic cancellation but notice that the moon is in taurus and

note

> that mars and mercury are in capricorn and virgo at the same time

and

> venus is in pisces, or maybe jupiter in virgo aspecting the moon

(not

> a traditional cancellation). Or some other combination that lends

> some strength to this support-deprived moon. Even though the

> individual might experience kemadruma, perhaps there will be a

> significant difference. This individual might have a better

> understanding, a better tolerance and higher ability to derive from

> the kemadruma experience that which another individual with no

> support to the exalted but kemadruma moon might not be blessed to

> bring into this reality!

>

> This is the danger of posting on critical fora. Most jyotishis

cannot

> really capture their entire deductive logic in a message or even in

> an article written on a single chart. All that can be expressed is

a

> fragment, and only the fragment that is within the reach of the

> conscious and aware mind. Who really knows what else is going on

when

> we truly succumb to the task of reading the patterns of nature

> through symbols such as astrological.

>

> Humbly submitted to this august body ...

>

> RR

>

> , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friend,

> > well said about various perspectives.

> > "There should not be any other planet in the kendra at the same

> time and there should be sufficient number of cases examined and

> perhaps thirdly, there should not be an overwhelming contribution

> from some other exceptionally shubha yoga that would outweigh the

> kemadruma anyway or even something as trivial(? )as an

exceptionally

> strong and benefic moon, supported otherwise through benefic

aspects

> or otherwise."

> > I am sure the whole things has come out of semantics and the

> implications of Kema druma yoga and more vital is the application

> based on some litteral meanings without considering holistic

approach

> is no good way.Such stand taken in the application of KDY shakes

> confidence and erodes credibility of the subject jyotish.otherwise

> the dasa system,placement of dasa lord,sign dispositor along with

the

> position two most important luminaries and ascendant have

meaningful

> role in the interpretation of chart without discounting importance

of

> nodes.

> > whether it is 7planets or 8 along with rahu or all nine we need a

> total and comprehensive situationsitic in the diagnostics and for

any

> prescription to strengthen the initiatives of the natives and plan

> his life ambitions

> > krishnan

> >

> > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > For this we have to dig deeper than just kemadruma, dear fellow-

> > astrologers (is that better, guys and gals?)

> >

> > 1. As one fellow (astrologer) keeps pointing out on one of the

> > astrology forums (fora for the linguistic purists!) the lunar

nodes

> > were not part of Varahamihir's concept of jyotish. I am not sure

if

> > Kemadruma is described there, but if that is the case, obviously

> > nodes do not cause cancellations since they do not exist in that

> > construct, that framework of jyotish.

> >

> > 2. BPHS, on the other hand, creates a perception of what some

would

> > call an ambiguity. The volumes portray different pictures of the

> > nodes at the beginning of the tomes and a different one towards

the

> > end of the tomes, in two distinctly different settings. My

article

> on

> > astrotreasures at www.boloji.com/astro goes into specific details

> and

> > with specific references, chapter and verse so I would not waste

> > bandwidth here and rehash it all. The different dealing in the

same

> > book would be apparent to neutral readers without any personal

> agenda.

> >

> > 3. Ignoring all that that is staring in one's face, rather

> directly,

> > as it was in mine a few years ago, there is a large body of

> > individuals or so the impression has been given to me over time --

> a

> > large body of individuals who attribute ownerships and

moolatrikona

> > and exaltation and debility signs to rahu and ketu and even

> aspects.

> > Even though they are not pindas (physical planets with body),

they

> > are obviously treated as planets by these individuals. I don't

see

> > how they can describe and ascribe all the attributes of planets

to

> > the lunar nodes and then back out of treating them as planets

when

> it

> > comes to cancellations for kemadruma, for instance? Unless they

> > demonstrate in sufficient number of cases that rahu and ketu

though

> > present in kendra from a kemadruma moon did not bring about a

> > cancellation of the kemadruma. Few cautions need to be considered

> > though during that seminal research: There should not be any

other

> > planet in the kendra at the same time and there should be

> sufficient

> > number of cases examined and perhaps thirdly, there should not be

> an

> > overwhelming contribution from some other exceptionally shubha

yoga

> > that would outweigh the kemadruma anyway or even something as

> trivial

> > as an exceptionally strong and benefic moon, supported otherwise

> > through benefic aspects or otherwise.

> >

> > Once you factor in all these, indeed true kemadruma is reduced to

a

> > rarity -- but then we are also deviating from classics and

> > creating 'hedge' funds and "fudge" factors which may be realistic

> and

> > pragmatic but we better be careful in calling that a study of

> > kemadruma yoga as it is understood or described in classics! We

> have

> > witnessed time and again how semantics and words though innocent

> can

> > have different connotations amongst contemporaries and can flare

up

> > ugly emotions and ill-will. Even modern words -- and kemadruma

> > certainly not a modern word or symbol or flag. We should be

careful

> > with that label is all I am submitting to this august body.

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , arjun pandit

> > <panditarjun2004> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear brother satishji

> > >

> > > as you rightly observed, there is some ambiguity in the books.

> one

> > book says rahu and ketu do not form the planets of cancellation

and

> > in the B.V.Raman's example of a full KDY, rahu or ketu is present

> > with moon. another book says sun is also excluded from the

> > cancellation clauses i.e. if sun is with moon or sun is in

kendra,

> > even then KDY exist. However, all literatures are unanimous in

> > saying that if cancellation of this KDY happens, it is good for

the

> > native and as to how good it is for the native is elucidated in

> > detail for each cancellation clause.

> > >

> > > with best wishes

> > > arjun

> > >

> > > R Satish <rsatish1942> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear friends,

> > >

> > > Very good clarification on Kemadruma so far. Need minor

> > > clarification,Is Rahu,Ketu also considered as a planet for

this

> > > yoga.There is some ambiguity in literature.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Satish

> > >

> > > , "kishore mohan"

> > > <kishore_future@i...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear govind,

> > > >

> > > > I give your chart as below

> > > >

> > > > Lagn- leo 2-mars & venus 3- sun& sat 4-mercy, jup&ketu 6-moon

> 10-

> > > rahu

> > > >

> > > > from the above, it can be noticed that a quadrant from moon

> > > (libra)

> > > > is not vacant and hence, full kemadruma is not realised.

> > > >

> > > > on the other hand, there are many good things in the kundali.

> the

> > > > ninth and eighth lords are aspecting their own houses. the

> > fourth

> > > > house is resided by 11th lord and 5th lord, thereby

foretelling

> > > > gains of land.

> > > >

> > > > however, the moon is extremely isolated and hence, we can not

> > > > preclude emotional isolation.

> > > >

> > > > Hope this helps.

> > > >

> > > > kishore patnaik

> > > >

> > > > , Govind Shah ]]]

> > > >

> > > > <govind_shah> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > Is there Kemdrumyoga in my chart also.

> > > > >

> > > > > Govind Shah

> > > > > 13th Nov,1983

> > > > > 01:30AM

> > > > > Ahmedabad.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am computer engineer , working with Tata Consultancy

> Services.

> > > > >

> > > > > if required more info plz let me know so i can give u.

> > > > >

> > > > > Request you to help me out.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Govind Shah.

> > > > >

> > > > > arjun pandit <panditarjun2004> wrote:

> > > > > dear ranjanji

> > > > >

> > > > > classics also says that if moon is exalted or has strength,

> > then

> > > > also kemadruma yoga does not exist. as you rightly observed,

> > > there

> > > > are detailed comprehensive explanations of how beneficial the

> > > > cancellation of this yoga is under each cancellation rule.

so,

> > > the

> > > > native graymoon shall be happy for cancellation of this yoga.

> > > > >

> > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > arjun

> > > > >

> > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > Some individuals also add another cancellation, namely

> chandra

> > > > being

> > > > > in kendra from ascendant. I do not recall seeing that in

the

> > > > classics.

> > > > > Anyways an example of such a reversal of royal state is in

> the

> > > > chart

> > > > > of Citizen King of France (Louis Philippe). He has an

exalted

> > > moon

> > > > in

> > > > > the 7th house with other cancellations not applying. So,

the

> > > moon

> > > > in

> > > > > kendra from ascendant could be questionable, in this case.

> > > > > 6 Oct 1773, 9:40 AM LMT, Paris, France. February 1848 is

when

> > he

> > > > fled

> > > > > France to go in exile.

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , arjun pandit

> > > > > <panditarjun2004> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dear friend

> > > > > >

> > > > > > in the chart of yours, there is NO kemadruma yog as

jupiter

> > is

> > > > in

> > > > > kendra in the lagna chart and four planets are in kendra in

> the

> > > > > chandra lagna. Besides Mars is also aspecting Moon.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > as per jyotish texts, full kemadruma yoga exist only if

all

> > > the

> > > > > following conditions are met:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. no planet on either side of moon

> > > > > > 2. no planet along with moon

> > > > > > 3. no planet in kendra in lagna chart

> > > > > > 4. no planet in kendra in chandra lagna chart

> > > > > > 5. no planet aspecting moon in either lagna charts

> > > > > >

> > > > > > if such a full kemadruma yoga exist in any chart, the

> native

> > > > even

> > > > > if born to a king, would become a daridra and face all

kinds

> of

> > > > > problems in the world.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > > arjun.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Friend,

> > > > > > As Ranjan said this yoga is not very uncommon and so we

> have

> > > > lives

> > > > > in ratio of 40 percent success rate and 60% hard

> > > work.Expectations

> > > > > materialise at late stages.Let's be happy what we got

> > positively

> > > > and

> > > > > be determind for what we want and get.

> > > > > > "this yog can cause lot of difficulties in person's

> life."All

> > > > most

> > > > > yogas enunciated in jyotish will give results maha dasa and

> > > antar

> > > > > dasa periods.where as if the ascendant lord and rasi lord

> with

> > > > good

> > > > > navamsas the malefic results anticipated will get

> moderated.In

> > > > your

> > > > > case disposition of jupiter is good and it will instill

some

> > > > spirtual

> > > > > approach in life which is good for boosting self

confidencing

> > > and

> > > > > strengthening lagna lord.

> > > > > > Regular prayers to Aditya and reciting Lingashtakam

> regularly

> > > > will

> > > > > promote harmony and reduce eveil effects.

> > > > > > Prashna lagna only indicates health with mars in 6th and

> > > > retrograde

> > > > > aspecting saturn posited in 9th in own nakshtra of pushyami

> > that

> > > > > makes you to work hard and enjoy success out of effort.Life

> to

> > > be

> > > > a

> > > > > challenge and make one to withstand to all odds requires

> > > > > strengthening of both mars and saturn.

> > > > > > with your mind set on Almighty's prop to fight out

> odds,life

> > > > will

> > > > > be smooth even if some abrupt events arise in some

situations

> > > > > > good luck

> > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > Yes to the first point (cancellation), no to the other

> point -

> >

> > > > > > kemadruma is not all that rare or by itself necessarily

> > > > negative.

> > > > > > That is why I asked the querrent, whom someone had said

she

> > > has

> > > > > > Kemadruma, to do the exploration.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , mohammad

> nizamudeen

> > > > > > <faghaimni> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > dear rohini

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > kemadruva yoga will be nullified if any planet

> > > > > > > occupies in any kendra to the moon

> > > > > > > this yoga makes one dharidhra

> > > > > > > in my experience it is very rare

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > nizam

> > > > > > > --- "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please do the following investigation, dear!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > a) Find a few persons who have at least a single thing

> > > > > > > missing in

> > > > > > > their lives whether it is physical, mental or

> > > > > > > spiritual, at work,

> > > > > > > home or elsewhere. Do all of these have kemadruma

> > > > > > > alone explaining

> > > > > > > the 'one thing missing'?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > b) Find a few persons who have absolutely everything

> > > > > > > they really

> > > > > > > wanted. Don't go by your perceptions of their lives

> > > > > > > but get their

> > > > > > > honest views and statements to that effect.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Then report back please ...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > BTW, start with (a) -- it will be easier and less

> > > > > > > discouraging and

> > > > > > > you will become better equipped to embark on (b).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > People with kemadruma are really good at impassionate

> > > > > > > research hence

> > > > > > > I am suggesting this "remedial" procedure on this most

> > > > > > > auspicious day!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , "graymoon44"

> > > > > > > <graymoon44> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaskar !!

> > > > > > > > I have told by someone that I have " Kemdrum Yog" in

> > > > > > > my horoscopes

> > > > > > > > which means there will be at least one thing lacking

> > > > > > > in my life and

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > could be anything from money, companionship,

> > > > > > > children, happiness

> > > > > > > and/or

> > > > > > > > success. After my research on internet about this

> > > > > > > yog, I have found

> > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > that this yog can cause lot of difficulties in

> > > > > > > person's life. My

> > > > > > > date

> > > > > > > > of birth is January 14, 1981, time of birth is 23:07

> > > > > > > and place of

> > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > is Surat-Gujarat. I am a female and I am single.

> > > > > > > > I need some help about this yog, is there any way in

> > > > > > > our astrology

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > solve this problem? Is there any upayaya I can do to

> > > > > > > solve this

> > > > > > > > problem. I would like to know how bad this yog is

> > > > > > > affecting on my

> > > > > > > > horoscopes? Is there any other bad things happening

> > > > > > > in my

> > > > > > > horoscopes?

> > > > > > > > How does my horoscopes overall look like? Please

> > > > > > > help.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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October 20, 2005

Rohiniji,

Two questions:

1.Does one not remain a beginner after one year in

jyotish?

2.When does the 'one year' time begin from?

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October 20, 2005

Nope . How can you make mistake , Rohini , of course you are talking about

varga charts , are you not <g> ?

Regards ,

Anand

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Thursday, October 20, 2005 8:02 AM

Q for beginners only (<1 year in jyotish)! ambiguity on

kemadruma yoga(KDY)

> Beginners only (<1 year in jyotish) -- did you spot the mistake in

> the following posting?

>

> RR

>

> , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)"

> <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> >

> > Absolutely Sir --- and I can say with confidence that NO jyotishis

> > worth their salt really ever looks at a chart in a manner in which

> > most of us describe things here due to the sequential nature of

> this

> > medium. We can only describe one yoga, one item at a time and in

> many

> > messages. However, when we look at a chart in a horoscopic reading

> > situation, we spot the kemadruma but also note that there may not

> be

> > a classic cancellation but notice that the moon is in taurus and

> note

> > that mars and mercury are in capricorn and virgo at the same time

> and

> > venus is in pisces, or maybe jupiter in virgo aspecting the moon

> (not

> > a traditional cancellation). Or some other combination that lends

> > some strength to this support-deprived moon. Even though the

> > individual might experience kemadruma, perhaps there will be a

> > significant difference. This individual might have a better

> > understanding, a better tolerance and higher ability to derive from

> > the kemadruma experience that which another individual with no

> > support to the exalted but kemadruma moon might not be blessed to

> > bring into this reality!

> >

> > This is the danger of posting on critical fora. Most jyotishis

> cannot

> > really capture their entire deductive logic in a message or even in

> > an article written on a single chart. All that can be expressed is

> a

> > fragment, and only the fragment that is within the reach of the

> > conscious and aware mind. Who really knows what else is going on

> when

> > we truly succumb to the task of reading the patterns of nature

> > through symbols such as astrological.

> >

> > Humbly submitted to this august body ...

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , vattem krishnan

> > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friend,

> > > well said about various perspectives.

> > > "There should not be any other planet in the kendra at the same

> > time and there should be sufficient number of cases examined and

> > perhaps thirdly, there should not be an overwhelming contribution

> > from some other exceptionally shubha yoga that would outweigh the

> > kemadruma anyway or even something as trivial(? )as an

> exceptionally

> > strong and benefic moon, supported otherwise through benefic

> aspects

> > or otherwise."

> > > I am sure the whole things has come out of semantics and the

> > implications of Kema druma yoga and more vital is the application

> > based on some litteral meanings without considering holistic

> approach

> > is no good way.Such stand taken in the application of KDY shakes

> > confidence and erodes credibility of the subject jyotish.otherwise

> > the dasa system,placement of dasa lord,sign dispositor along with

> the

> > position two most important luminaries and ascendant have

> meaningful

> > role in the interpretation of chart without discounting importance

> of

> > nodes.

> > > whether it is 7planets or 8 along with rahu or all nine we need a

> > total and comprehensive situationsitic in the diagnostics and for

> any

> > prescription to strengthen the initiatives of the natives and plan

> > his life ambitions

> > > krishnan

> > >

> > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > For this we have to dig deeper than just kemadruma, dear fellow-

> > > astrologers (is that better, guys and gals?)

> > >

> > > 1. As one fellow (astrologer) keeps pointing out on one of the

> > > astrology forums (fora for the linguistic purists!) the lunar

> nodes

> > > were not part of Varahamihir's concept of jyotish. I am not sure

> if

> > > Kemadruma is described there, but if that is the case, obviously

> > > nodes do not cause cancellations since they do not exist in that

> > > construct, that framework of jyotish.

> > >

> > > 2. BPHS, on the other hand, creates a perception of what some

> would

> > > call an ambiguity. The volumes portray different pictures of the

> > > nodes at the beginning of the tomes and a different one towards

> the

> > > end of the tomes, in two distinctly different settings. My

> article

> > on

> > > astrotreasures at www.boloji.com/astro goes into specific details

> > and

> > > with specific references, chapter and verse so I would not waste

> > > bandwidth here and rehash it all. The different dealing in the

> same

> > > book would be apparent to neutral readers without any personal

> > agenda.

> > >

> > > 3. Ignoring all that that is staring in one's face, rather

> > directly,

> > > as it was in mine a few years ago, there is a large body of

> > > individuals or so the impression has been given to me over time --

>

> > a

> > > large body of individuals who attribute ownerships and

> moolatrikona

> > > and exaltation and debility signs to rahu and ketu and even

> > aspects.

> > > Even though they are not pindas (physical planets with body),

> they

> > > are obviously treated as planets by these individuals. I don't

> see

> > > how they can describe and ascribe all the attributes of planets

> to

> > > the lunar nodes and then back out of treating them as planets

> when

> > it

> > > comes to cancellations for kemadruma, for instance? Unless they

> > > demonstrate in sufficient number of cases that rahu and ketu

> though

> > > present in kendra from a kemadruma moon did not bring about a

> > > cancellation of the kemadruma. Few cautions need to be considered

> > > though during that seminal research: There should not be any

> other

> > > planet in the kendra at the same time and there should be

> > sufficient

> > > number of cases examined and perhaps thirdly, there should not be

> > an

> > > overwhelming contribution from some other exceptionally shubha

> yoga

> > > that would outweigh the kemadruma anyway or even something as

> > trivial

> > > as an exceptionally strong and benefic moon, supported otherwise

> > > through benefic aspects or otherwise.

> > >

> > > Once you factor in all these, indeed true kemadruma is reduced to

> a

> > > rarity -- but then we are also deviating from classics and

> > > creating 'hedge' funds and "fudge" factors which may be realistic

> > and

> > > pragmatic but we better be careful in calling that a study of

> > > kemadruma yoga as it is understood or described in classics! We

> > have

> > > witnessed time and again how semantics and words though innocent

> > can

> > > have different connotations amongst contemporaries and can flare

> up

> > > ugly emotions and ill-will. Even modern words -- and kemadruma

> > > certainly not a modern word or symbol or flag. We should be

> careful

> > > with that label is all I am submitting to this august body.

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , arjun pandit

> > > <panditarjun2004> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear brother satishji

> > > >

> > > > as you rightly observed, there is some ambiguity in the books.

> > one

> > > book says rahu and ketu do not form the planets of cancellation

> and

> > > in the B.V.Raman's example of a full KDY, rahu or ketu is present

> > > with moon. another book says sun is also excluded from the

> > > cancellation clauses i.e. if sun is with moon or sun is in

> kendra,

> > > even then KDY exist. However, all literatures are unanimous in

> > > saying that if cancellation of this KDY happens, it is good for

> the

> > > native and as to how good it is for the native is elucidated in

> > > detail for each cancellation clause.

> > > >

> > > > with best wishes

> > > > arjun

> > > >

> > > > R Satish <rsatish1942> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear friends,

> > > >

> > > > Very good clarification on Kemadruma so far. Need minor

> > > > clarification,Is Rahu,Ketu also considered as a planet for

> this

> > > > yoga.There is some ambiguity in literature.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Satish

> > > >

> > > > , "kishore mohan"

> > > > <kishore_future@i...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear govind,

> > > > >

> > > > > I give your chart as below

> > > > >

> > > > > Lagn- leo 2-mars & venus 3- sun& sat 4-mercy, jup&ketu 6-moon

> > 10-

> > > > rahu

> > > > >

> > > > > from the above, it can be noticed that a quadrant from moon

> > > > (libra)

> > > > > is not vacant and hence, full kemadruma is not realised.

> > > > >

> > > > > on the other hand, there are many good things in the kundali.

> > the

> > > > > ninth and eighth lords are aspecting their own houses. the

> > > fourth

> > > > > house is resided by 11th lord and 5th lord, thereby

> foretelling

> > > > > gains of land.

> > > > >

> > > > > however, the moon is extremely isolated and hence, we can not

> > > > > preclude emotional isolation.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope this helps.

> > > > >

> > > > > kishore patnaik

> > > > >

> > > > > , Govind Shah ]]]

> > > > >

> > > > > <govind_shah> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is there Kemdrumyoga in my chart also.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Govind Shah

> > > > > > 13th Nov,1983

> > > > > > 01:30AM

> > > > > > Ahmedabad.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am computer engineer , working with Tata Consultancy

> > Services.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > if required more info plz let me know so i can give u.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Request you to help me out.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > Govind Shah.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > arjun pandit <panditarjun2004> wrote:

> > > > > > dear ranjanji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > classics also says that if moon is exalted or has strength,

> > > then

> > > > > also kemadruma yoga does not exist. as you rightly observed,

> > > > there

> > > > > are detailed comprehensive explanations of how beneficial the

> > > > > cancellation of this yoga is under each cancellation rule.

> so,

> > > > the

> > > > > native graymoon shall be happy for cancellation of this yoga.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > > arjun

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > Some individuals also add another cancellation, namely

> > chandra

> > > > > being

> > > > > > in kendra from ascendant. I do not recall seeing that in

> the

> > > > > classics.

> > > > > > Anyways an example of such a reversal of royal state is in

> > the

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > of Citizen King of France (Louis Philippe). He has an

> exalted

> > > > moon

> > > > > in

> > > > > > the 7th house with other cancellations not applying. So,

> the

> > > > moon

> > > > > in

> > > > > > kendra from ascendant could be questionable, in this case.

> > > > > > 6 Oct 1773, 9:40 AM LMT, Paris, France. February 1848 is

> when

> > > he

> > > > > fled

> > > > > > France to go in exile.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , arjun pandit

> > > > > > <panditarjun2004> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > dear friend

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > in the chart of yours, there is NO kemadruma yog as

> jupiter

> > > is

> > > > > in

> > > > > > kendra in the lagna chart and four planets are in kendra in

> > the

> > > > > > chandra lagna. Besides Mars is also aspecting Moon.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > as per jyotish texts, full kemadruma yoga exist only if

> all

> > > > the

> > > > > > following conditions are met:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. no planet on either side of moon

> > > > > > > 2. no planet along with moon

> > > > > > > 3. no planet in kendra in lagna chart

> > > > > > > 4. no planet in kendra in chandra lagna chart

> > > > > > > 5. no planet aspecting moon in either lagna charts

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > if such a full kemadruma yoga exist in any chart, the

> > native

> > > > > even

> > > > > > if born to a king, would become a daridra and face all

> kinds

> > of

> > > > > > problems in the world.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > > > arjun.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Friend,

> > > > > > > As Ranjan said this yoga is not very uncommon and so we

> > have

> > > > > lives

> > > > > > in ratio of 40 percent success rate and 60% hard

> > > > work.Expectations

> > > > > > materialise at late stages.Let's be happy what we got

> > > positively

> > > > > and

> > > > > > be determind for what we want and get.

> > > > > > > "this yog can cause lot of difficulties in person's

> > life."All

> > > > > most

> > > > > > yogas enunciated in jyotish will give results maha dasa and

> > > > antar

> > > > > > dasa periods.where as if the ascendant lord and rasi lord

> > with

> > > > > good

> > > > > > navamsas the malefic results anticipated will get

> > moderated.In

> > > > > your

> > > > > > case disposition of jupiter is good and it will instill

> some

> > > > > spirtual

> > > > > > approach in life which is good for boosting self

> confidencing

> > > > and

> > > > > > strengthening lagna lord.

> > > > > > > Regular prayers to Aditya and reciting Lingashtakam

> > regularly

> > > > > will

> > > > > > promote harmony and reduce eveil effects.

> > > > > > > Prashna lagna only indicates health with mars in 6th and

> > > > > retrograde

> > > > > > aspecting saturn posited in 9th in own nakshtra of pushyami

> > > that

> > > > > > makes you to work hard and enjoy success out of effort.Life

> > to

> > > > be

> > > > > a

> > > > > > challenge and make one to withstand to all odds requires

> > > > > > strengthening of both mars and saturn.

> > > > > > > with your mind set on Almighty's prop to fight out

> > odds,life

> > > > > will

> > > > > > be smooth even if some abrupt events arise in some

> situations

> > > > > > > good luck

> > > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > > Yes to the first point (cancellation), no to the other

> > point -

> > >

> > > > > > > kemadruma is not all that rare or by itself necessarily

> > > > > negative.

> > > > > > > That is why I asked the querrent, whom someone had said

> she

> > > > has

> > > > > > > Kemadruma, to do the exploration.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , mohammad

> > nizamudeen

> > > > > > > <faghaimni> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > dear rohini

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > kemadruva yoga will be nullified if any planet

> > > > > > > > occupies in any kendra to the moon

> > > > > > > > this yoga makes one dharidhra

> > > > > > > > in my experience it is very rare

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > nizam

> > > > > > > > --- "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Please do the following investigation, dear!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > a) Find a few persons who have at least a single thing

> > > > > > > > missing in

> > > > > > > > their lives whether it is physical, mental or

> > > > > > > > spiritual, at work,

> > > > > > > > home or elsewhere. Do all of these have kemadruma

> > > > > > > > alone explaining

> > > > > > > > the 'one thing missing'?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > b) Find a few persons who have absolutely everything

> > > > > > > > they really

> > > > > > > > wanted. Don't go by your perceptions of their lives

> > > > > > > > but get their

> > > > > > > > honest views and statements to that effect.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Then report back please ...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > BTW, start with (a) -- it will be easier and less

> > > > > > > > discouraging and

> > > > > > > > you will become better equipped to embark on (b).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > People with kemadruma are really good at impassionate

> > > > > > > > research hence

> > > > > > > > I am suggesting this "remedial" procedure on this most

> > > > > > > > auspicious day!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , "graymoon44"

> > > > > > > > <graymoon44> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaskar !!

> > > > > > > > > I have told by someone that I have " Kemdrum Yog" in

> > > > > > > > my horoscopes

> > > > > > > > > which means there will be at least one thing lacking

> > > > > > > > in my life and

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > could be anything from money, companionship,

> > > > > > > > children, happiness

> > > > > > > > and/or

> > > > > > > > > success. After my research on internet about this

> > > > > > > > yog, I have found

> > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > that this yog can cause lot of difficulties in

> > > > > > > > person's life. My

> > > > > > > > date

> > > > > > > > > of birth is January 14, 1981, time of birth is 23:07

> > > > > > > > and place of

> > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > is Surat-Gujarat. I am a female and I am single.

> > > > > > > > > I need some help about this yog, is there any way in

> > > > > > > > our astrology

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > solve this problem? Is there any upayaya I can do to

> > > > > > > > solve this

> > > > > > > > > problem. I would like to know how bad this yog is

> > > > > > > > affecting on my

> > > > > > > > > horoscopes? Is there any other bad things happening

> > > > > > > > in my

> > > > > > > > horoscopes?

> > > > > > > > > How does my horoscopes overall look like? Please

> > > > > > > > help.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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Rishi ji,

I did not mean "Beginner = those <1 year in jyotish" but 'Beginners

who have been seriously learning jyotish for less than one year' :-)

You (and more so others ...) have demonstrated how careful one must

be when writing on internet where there are more chances of being

misinterpreted or worse someone projecting their inner feelings and

framework on the objective reality!

So by my intended meaning, I was not implying that after the first

year suddenly from the cocoon emerges the beautiful butterfly! In

fact we are all beginners in my view.

Why the first year? Because during the first year one spends much or

all of one's time in getting down the basics firmly. I realize that

some very ambitious and brilliant beginners would be thinking at this

point -- One whole year? But few of us can devote all our time to

jyotish, particularly not the beginners who must also carry other

activities necessary for life and living. However, it is usually

dangerous (well maybe too strong a word!) to jump into the deep end

too quickly without wrestling with and getting to know the basics.

This is the only antidote against all or most of the confusion we see

on the net in the questions that are asked on certain yogas and

techniques. Like a properly cooked masala dosa, the shell has to have

a certain cripness and rigidity (boundaries) and the inside has to be

soft, nutritious and when consumed give the flavour and sense of

completeness and great potentials of expansion and comprehensiveness.

The mixture of the morsel of boundaries, hardness, crispness and

nutritive expansiveness within. Have I just described masala dosa or

jyotish? Food for the mouth and body and food for the soul -- where

is the difference?

To cut to the chase, I just wanted to make sure that newcomers could

spot the venus mercury discrepancy in my hypothetical example. As

pedestrian as that! I had jupiter there but for some reason decided

to insert venus hence the faux pas!

regards,

RR

, rishi shukla

<rishi_2000in> wrote:

>

> Rohiniji,

> Two questions:

> 1.Does one not remain a beginner after one year in

> jyotish?

> 2.When does the 'one year' time begin from?

> regards,

> rishi

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--- "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb wrote:

> Rishi ji,

>

> I did not mean "Beginner = those <1 year in jyotish"

> but 'Beginners

> who have been seriously learning jyotish for less

> than one year' :-)

> You (and more so others ...) have demonstrated how

> careful one must

> be when writing on internet where there are more

> chances of being

> misinterpreted or worse someone projecting their

> inner feelings and

> framework on the objective reality!

>

> So by my intended meaning, I was not implying that

> after the first

> year suddenly from the cocoon emerges the beautiful

> butterfly! In

> fact we are all beginners in my view.

>

> Why the first year? Because during the first year

> one spends much or

> all of one's time in getting down the basics firmly.

> I realize that

> some very ambitious and brilliant beginners would be

> thinking at this

> point -- One whole year? But few of us can devote

> all our time to

> jyotish, particularly not the beginners who must

> also carry other

> activities necessary for life and living. However,

> it is usually

> dangerous (well maybe too strong a word!) to jump

> into the deep end

> too quickly without wrestling with and getting to

> know the basics.

> This is the only antidote against all or most of the

> confusion we see

> on the net in the questions that are asked on

> certain yogas and

> techniques. Like a properly cooked masala dosa, the

> shell has to have

> a certain cripness and rigidity (boundaries) and the

> inside has to be

> soft, nutritious and when consumed give the flavour

> and sense of

> completeness and great potentials of expansion and

> comprehensiveness.

> The mixture of the morsel of boundaries, hardness,

> crispness and

> nutritive expansiveness within. Have I just

> described masala dosa or

> jyotish? Food for the mouth and body and food for

> the soul -- where

> is the difference?

>

> To cut to the chase, I just wanted to make sure that

> newcomers could

> spot the venus mercury discrepancy in my

> hypothetical example. As

> pedestrian as that! I had jupiter there but for some

> reason decided

> to insert venus hence the faux pas!

>

> regards,

>

> RR

>

> , rishi

> shukla

> <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> >

> > Rohiniji,

> > Two questions:

> > 1.Does one not remain a beginner after one year in

> > jyotish?

> > 2.When does the 'one year' time begin from?

> > regards,

> > rishi

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October 20, 2005

Hello friend,

Different means to satisfy the inclinations and ambitions and the resultant

confidences,egos and abilities that arise out of these gourmets like masal

dosas.

yet one should not deling all these efforts(beginners) how long are likely to

last.There are some who after say year or so suddenly go behind screens and want

to delearn and there are others they feel they are not meant for hollow jyotish

etc.

Even I can cite very important friend of me working as very senior doctor took

up jyotish when her son/daughter was not found to be bright in studies and left

the jyotish when she was disgusted finding remedy through jyotish is not her cup

of tea

like wise a very bright and promising enterpreneur with almost 24hours of busy

schedules made hell of effort to know and learn jyotish may be year and beyond

with the acumen he had as a computer geek and failed to pursue,though gives

predictions.

My only gut feeling that if one has enthu to learn,let them also link their

souls what their chakras speak of when ever jyotish influences their body,mind

and soul and feel:

"Have I justdescribed masala dosa or jyotish? Food for the mouth and body and

food forthe soul -- where is the difference?"

Answer as admitted by most of Gurus is planets in their charts drag to jyotish

and other occult sciences and emerge after some efforts and changing their lines

of profession to jyotish and others abandoning despite all their zeal and

enthusiasm

There are people and very illustrous who as o hobby took up to the cause of

Astrology leaving their very very promising professions and preferred to be

called as jyotishis than as through their fields where they relished all

culinary skills and invented excellent items going beyond their imaginations

coming up with paneer dosas etc but landed as very very unattracive jyotish.such

is the hangover required if one wants to jump into this mystery field and the

yers needed for learning and to to know as beginning or end is beyond one

oratory skills.

so friends,Astrology is a field one has to learn out of his own karmic results

either to continue with or to get lost for one or other reason.No doubt the soul

survives through the jyotish even without dosas

krishnan

Hemal Bhatt <hkbhatt00 wrote:

--- "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb wrote:

> Rishi ji,

>

> I did not mean "Beginner = those <1 year in jyotish"

> but 'Beginners

> who have been seriously learning jyotish for less

> than one year' :-)

> You (and more so others ...) have demonstrated how

> careful one must

> be when writing on internet where there are more

> chances of being

> misinterpreted or worse someone projecting their

> inner feelings and

> framework on the objective reality!

>

> So by my intended meaning, I was not implying that

> after the first

> year suddenly from the cocoon emerges the beautiful

> butterfly! In

> fact we are all beginners in my view.

>

> Why the first year? Because during the first year

> one spends much or

> all of one's time in getting down the basics firmly.

> I realize that

> some very ambitious and brilliant beginners would be

> thinking at this

> point -- One whole year? But few of us can devote

> all our time to

> jyotish, particularly not the beginners who must

> also carry other

> activities necessary for life and living. However,

> it is usually

> dangerous (well maybe too strong a word!) to jump

> into the deep end

> too quickly without wrestling with and getting to

> know the basics.

> This is the only antidote against all or most of the

> confusion we see

> on the net in the questions that are asked on

> certain yogas and

> techniques. Like a properly cooked masala dosa, the

> shell has to have

> a certain cripness and rigidity (boundaries) and the

> inside has to be

> soft, nutritious and when consumed give the flavour

> and sense of

> completeness and great potentials of expansion and

> comprehensiveness.

> The mixture of the morsel of boundaries, hardness,

> crispness and

> nutritive expansiveness within. Have I just

> described masala dosa or

> jyotish? Food for the mouth and body and food for

> the soul -- where

> is the difference?

>

> To cut to the chase, I just wanted to make sure that

> newcomers could

> spot the venus mercury discrepancy in my

> hypothetical example. As

> pedestrian as that! I had jupiter there but for some

> reason decided

> to insert venus hence the faux pas!

>

> regards,

>

> RR

>

> , rishi

> shukla

> <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> >

> > Rohiniji,

> > Two questions:

> > 1.Does one not remain a beginner after one year in

> > jyotish?

> > 2.When does the 'one year' time begin from?

> > regards,

> > rishi

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October 20, 2005

Okay dada, I confess -- I was hungry, fancied for some reason masala

dosa but no way I am getting that right now, so I rolled that into my

other love -- jyotish. Suddenly they became one through the message I

posted and I enjoyed them both without actually eating either!

I am sure you understand ;-)

RR

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

>

> Hello friend,

> Different means to satisfy the inclinations and ambitions and the

resultant confidences,egos and abilities that arise out of these

gourmets like masal dosas.

> yet one should not deling all these efforts(beginners) how long are

likely to last.There are some who after say year or so suddenly go

behind screens and want to delearn and there are others they feel

they are not meant for hollow jyotish etc.

> Even I can cite very important friend of me working as very senior

doctor took up jyotish when her son/daughter was not found to be

bright in studies and left the jyotish when she was disgusted finding

remedy through jyotish is not her cup of tea

> like wise a very bright and promising enterpreneur with almost

24hours of busy schedules made hell of effort to know and learn

jyotish may be year and beyond with the acumen he had as a computer

geek and failed to pursue,though gives predictions.

> My only gut feeling that if one has enthu to learn,let them also

link their souls what their chakras speak of when ever jyotish

influences their body,mind and soul and feel:

> "Have I justdescribed masala dosa or jyotish? Food for the mouth

and body and food forthe soul -- where is the difference?"

> Answer as admitted by most of Gurus is planets in their charts drag

to jyotish and other occult sciences and emerge after some efforts

and changing their lines of profession to jyotish and others

abandoning despite all their zeal and enthusiasm

> There are people and very illustrous who as o hobby took up to the

cause of Astrology leaving their very very promising professions and

preferred to be called as jyotishis than as through their fields

where they relished all culinary skills and invented excellent items

going beyond their imaginations coming up with paneer dosas etc but

landed as very very unattracive jyotish.such is the hangover required

if one wants to jump into this mystery field and the yers needed for

learning and to to know as beginning or end is beyond one oratory

skills.

> so friends,Astrology is a field one has to learn out of his own

karmic results either to continue with or to get lost for one or

other reason.No doubt the soul survives through the jyotish even

without dosas

> krishnan

> Hemal Bhatt <hkbhatt00> wrote:

>

> --- "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

>

> > Rishi ji,

> >

> > I did not mean "Beginner = those <1 year in jyotish"

> > but 'Beginners

> > who have been seriously learning jyotish for less

> > than one year' :-)

> > You (and more so others ...) have demonstrated how

> > careful one must

> > be when writing on internet where there are more

> > chances of being

> > misinterpreted or worse someone projecting their

> > inner feelings and

> > framework on the objective reality!

> >

> > So by my intended meaning, I was not implying that

> > after the first

> > year suddenly from the cocoon emerges the beautiful

> > butterfly! In

> > fact we are all beginners in my view.

> >

> > Why the first year? Because during the first year

> > one spends much or

> > all of one's time in getting down the basics firmly.

> > I realize that

> > some very ambitious and brilliant beginners would be

> > thinking at this

> > point -- One whole year? But few of us can devote

> > all our time to

> > jyotish, particularly not the beginners who must

> > also carry other

> > activities necessary for life and living. However,

> > it is usually

> > dangerous (well maybe too strong a word!) to jump

> > into the deep end

> > too quickly without wrestling with and getting to

> > know the basics.

> > This is the only antidote against all or most of the

> > confusion we see

> > on the net in the questions that are asked on

> > certain yogas and

> > techniques. Like a properly cooked masala dosa, the

> > shell has to have

> > a certain cripness and rigidity (boundaries) and the

> > inside has to be

> > soft, nutritious and when consumed give the flavour

> > and sense of

> > completeness and great potentials of expansion and

> > comprehensiveness.

> > The mixture of the morsel of boundaries, hardness,

> > crispness and

> > nutritive expansiveness within. Have I just

> > described masala dosa or

> > jyotish? Food for the mouth and body and food for

> > the soul -- where

> > is the difference?

> >

> > To cut to the chase, I just wanted to make sure that

> > newcomers could

> > spot the venus mercury discrepancy in my

> > hypothetical example. As

> > pedestrian as that! I had jupiter there but for some

> > reason decided

> > to insert venus hence the faux pas!

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , rishi

> > shukla

> > <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> > >

> > > Rohiniji,

> > > Two questions:

> > > 1.Does one not remain a beginner after one year in

> > > jyotish?

> > > 2.When does the 'one year' time begin from?

> > > regards,

> > > rishi

> > >

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October 20, 2005

chuckles......its rarely that one catches Rohiniji on the backfoot

defending a slow ball....was a nonserious question.

After nearly five decades of learning and living, I am not sure ,

most of us have grasped the basics of life and are still grappling in

ambiguities, but Venus or Jupiter, how does it matter if the poor

Moon which reflects our delicate mind is isolated and alone. And, I

presume it needs support in some form to shine brightly like all of

us do.

In my humble opinion,an isolated Moon is really what forms a KDY and

if it gets support in some form either through aspects or its own

Kendras it is no longer alone.

Secondly,do we interpret the classics too literally. Arent they

defining the effects symbolically?

Arent they just mentioning the end results without going through the

reasoning?

Would not a KDY imply that an isolated moon would more often than not

suggest, a native with a difficult mental state which would lead to

the native having poor interpersonal relationships and end up being

poor not only in terms of money but also in terms of

friends,associates and others who are necessary for us to sustain in

this world.

What about the Sanyasis.......they dont have wealth, prefer

loneliness , do they suffer from KDY?

regards

rishi

October 20, 2005

chuckles......its rarely that one catches Rohiniji on the backfoot

defending a slow ball....was a nonserious question.

After nearly five decades of learning and living, I am not sure ,

most of us have grasped the basics of life and are still grappling in

ambiguities, but Venus or Jupiter, how does it matter if the poor

Moon which reflects our delicate mind is isolated and alone. And, I

presume it needs support in some form to shine brightly like all of

us do.

In my humble opinion,an isolated Moon is really what forms a KDY and

if it gets support in some form either through aspects or its own

Kendras it is no longer alone.

Secondly,do we interpret the classics too literally. Arent they

defining the effects symbolically?

Arent they just mentioning the end results without going through the

reasoning?

Would not a KDY imply that an isolated moon would more often than not

suggest, a native with a difficult mental state which would lead to

the native having poor interpersonal relationships and end up being

poor not only in terms of money but also in terms of

friends,associates and others who are necessary for us to sustain in

this world.

What about the Sanyasis.......they dont have wealth, prefer

loneliness , do they suffer from KDY?

regards

rishi

October 20, 2005

Since you chose to perceive me into this framed situation, Rishi ;-)

I must add that even jest is serious. More serious than monastic

severity that boringly has laid claim to the soul of jyotish of late!

Yes kemadruma is about moon but moon unflanked by any other planet in

the 12th and 2nd house. Sage's selection of moon and the empty houses

are not happenstance and ad hoc or arbitrary. This is telling me that

Sage wants us to apply the general principle of shubha and papa

kartri which applies to planets generally and to more severly apply

to the moon (even more than sun for which flanking yogas [one side of

sun and the other side of sun] exist but nothing compared to

kemadruma!) This is important in my view. What Sage is probably

telling us is that moon needs support -- moon does not function well

at all alone, without company, without support! And if it gets

support through distant means, such as a planet (prefereably shubha)

giving it company in the same house or even in kendras which

represent close surroundings and supports) then it gains strength. I

merely extended that in the hypothetical example that I posted in

which the kemadruma moon was getting support elsewhere through

(HEavens forgive me!) non-classical means or means not stated

specifically in the kemadruma context in classics. Although this moon

was exalted I was saying that it still is plagued with kemadruma

(think of this as Napolean in exile on St. Helena if you want some

healthy dramatization than the unhealthy drama we all fellow forum

members suffered recently!) but it can derive support from its

dispositor being exalted or strengthened somehow. Or even other kind

of supports like aspects from jupiter for instance and so on. This is

what you also found, but specifically I was not even looking for all

that which you wrote and is postgraduate stuff ;-) which obviously

you are!

ONLY one fellow-member and she is so shy -- responded to me privately

and gave the correct answer. Isn't that great, wonderful and just so

satisfying!

Now the next task will be to find actual charts where this cosmic

drama is really taking place and then seeing what the real experience

is like. This is where eager students need to run and get busy and

not just passively wait for someone to bring the food in a spoon and

feed them! That is not good for astrological health!!

RR

, "rishi_2000in"

<rishi_2000in> wrote:

>

> chuckles......its rarely that one catches Rohiniji on the backfoot

> defending a slow ball....was a nonserious question.

> After nearly five decades of learning and living, I am not sure ,

> most of us have grasped the basics of life and are still grappling

in

> ambiguities, but Venus or Jupiter, how does it matter if the poor

> Moon which reflects our delicate mind is isolated and alone. And, I

> presume it needs support in some form to shine brightly like all of

> us do.

> In my humble opinion,an isolated Moon is really what forms a KDY

and

> if it gets support in some form either through aspects or its own

> Kendras it is no longer alone.

> Secondly,do we interpret the classics too literally. Arent they

> defining the effects symbolically?

> Arent they just mentioning the end results without going through

the

> reasoning?

> Would not a KDY imply that an isolated moon would more often than

not

> suggest, a native with a difficult mental state which would lead to

> the native having poor interpersonal relationships and end up being

> poor not only in terms of money but also in terms of

> friends,associates and others who are necessary for us to sustain

in

> this world.

> What about the Sanyasis.......they dont have wealth, prefer

> loneliness , do they suffer from KDY?

> regards

> rishi

>

October 20, 2005

Sorry one little bit I missed ...

I do not think true sanyasis whether dwelling in forests or those

right here amongst us really 'suffer' whether they have kemadruma,

kalasarpa, shani sadesathi, mangal dosha and other scarecrows that

some jyotishis use at 'harvest' time!

Enough said!

RR

, "rishi_2000in"

<rishi_2000in> wrote:

>

> chuckles......its rarely that one catches Rohiniji on the backfoot

> defending a slow ball....was a nonserious question.

> After nearly five decades of learning and living, I am not sure ,

> most of us have grasped the basics of life and are still grappling

in

> ambiguities, but Venus or Jupiter, how does it matter if the poor

> Moon which reflects our delicate mind is isolated and alone. And, I

> presume it needs support in some form to shine brightly like all of

> us do.

> In my humble opinion,an isolated Moon is really what forms a KDY

and

> if it gets support in some form either through aspects or its own

> Kendras it is no longer alone.

> Secondly,do we interpret the classics too literally. Arent they

> defining the effects symbolically?

> Arent they just mentioning the end results without going through

the

> reasoning?

> Would not a KDY imply that an isolated moon would more often than

not

> suggest, a native with a difficult mental state which would lead to

> the native having poor interpersonal relationships and end up being

> poor not only in terms of money but also in terms of

> friends,associates and others who are necessary for us to sustain

in

> this world.

> What about the Sanyasis.......they dont have wealth, prefer

> loneliness , do they suffer from KDY?

> regards

> rishi

>

October 20, 2005

I responded to your other copy of this posting ;-)

RR

, "rishi_2000in"

<rishi_2000in> wrote:

>

> chuckles......its rarely that one catches Rohiniji on the backfoot

> defending a slow ball....was a nonserious question.

> After nearly five decades of learning and living, I am not sure ,

> most of us have grasped the basics of life and are still grappling

in

> ambiguities, but Venus or Jupiter, how does it matter if the poor

> Moon which reflects our delicate mind is isolated and alone. And, I

> presume it needs support in some form to shine brightly like all of

> us do.

> In my humble opinion,an isolated Moon is really what forms a KDY

and

> if it gets support in some form either through aspects or its own

> Kendras it is no longer alone.

> Secondly,do we interpret the classics too literally. Arent they

> defining the effects symbolically?

> Arent they just mentioning the end results without going through

the

> reasoning?

> Would not a KDY imply that an isolated moon would more often than

not

> suggest, a native with a difficult mental state which would lead to

> the native having poor interpersonal relationships and end up being

> poor not only in terms of money but also in terms of

> friends,associates and others who are necessary for us to sustain

in

> this world.

> What about the Sanyasis.......they dont have wealth, prefer

> loneliness , do they suffer from KDY?

> regards

> rishi

>

October 20, 2005

Sadly I am human and I have already stated what the mistake was. You

are human too because you did not read that and you have too much

trust in my capability. Or you are just a nice person who wanted to

be nice to me :-) My thanks to you, in either case!!

Good to know that we are both human because that means we would not

be pestering each other for apologies for what we think the other one

did that was wrong! And I am thankful for that!!

"Venus cannot be that far from mercury!"

The mistake cropped up because in the original hypothetical example,

it was jupiter that by the time it got posted due to certain

considerations became venus and that created the problem. I know they

are both gurus, one being Obi wan Kenobi and the other Darth Vader,

but both gurus all the same. The two tend to confuse humans like you

and me from time to time. But you know why humans are superior?

Because we have been blessed to be in tune with our witness selves

that is the True Self and which allows us to see Obi separately from

Darth and thus gives the potential objectivity that Astrology demands

and Astrologers must possess or come to terms with. That point in

existence is where egos vanish and even become and perceived as

unnecessary!

, "urvija" <urvija@r...> wrote:

>

> Nope . How can you make mistake , Rohini , of course you are

talking about

> varga charts , are you not <g> ?

>

> Regards ,

>

> Anand

>

> -

> Rohini (Crystal Pages) <rrgb@s...>

> <>

> Thursday, October 20, 2005 8:02 AM

> Q for beginners only (<1 year in jyotish)! ambiguity

on

> kemadruma yoga(KDY)

>

> > Beginners only (<1 year in jyotish) -- did you spot the mistake in

> > the following posting?

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)"

> > <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Absolutely Sir --- and I can say with confidence that NO

jyotishis

> > > worth their salt really ever looks at a chart in a manner in

which

> > > most of us describe things here due to the sequential nature of

> > this

> > > medium. We can only describe one yoga, one item at a time and in

> > many

> > > messages. However, when we look at a chart in a horoscopic

reading

> > > situation, we spot the kemadruma but also note that there may

not

> > be

> > > a classic cancellation but notice that the moon is in taurus and

> > note

> > > that mars and mercury are in capricorn and virgo at the same

time

> > and

> > > venus is in pisces, or maybe jupiter in virgo aspecting the moon

> > (not

> > > a traditional cancellation). Or some other combination that

lends

> > > some strength to this support-deprived moon. Even though the

> > > individual might experience kemadruma, perhaps there will be a

> > > significant difference. This individual might have a better

> > > understanding, a better tolerance and higher ability to derive

from

> > > the kemadruma experience that which another individual with no

> > > support to the exalted but kemadruma moon might not be blessed

to

> > > bring into this reality!

> > >

> > > This is the danger of posting on critical fora. Most jyotishis

> > cannot

> > > really capture their entire deductive logic in a message or

even in

> > > an article written on a single chart. All that can be expressed

is

> > a

> > > fragment, and only the fragment that is within the reach of the

> > > conscious and aware mind. Who really knows what else is going on

> > when

> > > we truly succumb to the task of reading the patterns of nature

> > > through symbols such as astrological.

> > >

> > > Humbly submitted to this august body ...

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , vattem krishnan

> > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friend,

> > > > well said about various perspectives.

> > > > "There should not be any other planet in the kendra at the

same

> > > time and there should be sufficient number of cases examined and

> > > perhaps thirdly, there should not be an overwhelming

contribution

> > > from some other exceptionally shubha yoga that would outweigh

the

> > > kemadruma anyway or even something as trivial(? )as an

> > exceptionally

> > > strong and benefic moon, supported otherwise through benefic

> > aspects

> > > or otherwise."

> > > > I am sure the whole things has come out of semantics and the

> > > implications of Kema druma yoga and more vital is the

application

> > > based on some litteral meanings without considering holistic

> > approach

> > > is no good way.Such stand taken in the application of KDY shakes

> > > confidence and erodes credibility of the subject

jyotish.otherwise

> > > the dasa system,placement of dasa lord,sign dispositor along

with

> > the

> > > position two most important luminaries and ascendant have

> > meaningful

> > > role in the interpretation of chart without discounting

importance

> > of

> > > nodes.

> > > > whether it is 7planets or 8 along with rahu or all nine we

need a

> > > total and comprehensive situationsitic in the diagnostics and

for

> > any

> > > prescription to strengthen the initiatives of the natives and

plan

> > > his life ambitions

> > > > krishnan

> > > >

> > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > For this we have to dig deeper than just kemadruma, dear

fellow-

> > > > astrologers (is that better, guys and gals?)

> > > >

> > > > 1. As one fellow (astrologer) keeps pointing out on one of the

> > > > astrology forums (fora for the linguistic purists!) the lunar

> > nodes

> > > > were not part of Varahamihir's concept of jyotish. I am not

sure

> > if

> > > > Kemadruma is described there, but if that is the case,

obviously

> > > > nodes do not cause cancellations since they do not exist in

that

> > > > construct, that framework of jyotish.

> > > >

> > > > 2. BPHS, on the other hand, creates a perception of what some

> > would

> > > > call an ambiguity. The volumes portray different pictures of

the

> > > > nodes at the beginning of the tomes and a different one

towards

> > the

> > > > end of the tomes, in two distinctly different settings. My

> > article

> > > on

> > > > astrotreasures at www.boloji.com/astro goes into specific

details

> > > and

> > > > with specific references, chapter and verse so I would not

waste

> > > > bandwidth here and rehash it all. The different dealing in the

> > same

> > > > book would be apparent to neutral readers without any personal

> > > agenda.

> > > >

> > > > 3. Ignoring all that that is staring in one's face, rather

> > > directly,

> > > > as it was in mine a few years ago, there is a large body of

> > > > individuals or so the impression has been given to me over

time --

> >

> > > a

> > > > large body of individuals who attribute ownerships and

> > moolatrikona

> > > > and exaltation and debility signs to rahu and ketu and even

> > > aspects.

> > > > Even though they are not pindas (physical planets with body),

> > they

> > > > are obviously treated as planets by these individuals. I don't

> > see

> > > > how they can describe and ascribe all the attributes of

planets

> > to

> > > > the lunar nodes and then back out of treating them as planets

> > when

> > > it

> > > > comes to cancellations for kemadruma, for instance? Unless

they

> > > > demonstrate in sufficient number of cases that rahu and ketu

> > though

> > > > present in kendra from a kemadruma moon did not bring about a

> > > > cancellation of the kemadruma. Few cautions need to be

considered

> > > > though during that seminal research: There should not be any

> > other

> > > > planet in the kendra at the same time and there should be

> > > sufficient

> > > > number of cases examined and perhaps thirdly, there should

not be

> > > an

> > > > overwhelming contribution from some other exceptionally shubha

> > yoga

> > > > that would outweigh the kemadruma anyway or even something as

> > > trivial

> > > > as an exceptionally strong and benefic moon, supported

otherwise

> > > > through benefic aspects or otherwise.

> > > >

> > > > Once you factor in all these, indeed true kemadruma is

reduced to

> > a

> > > > rarity -- but then we are also deviating from classics and

> > > > creating 'hedge' funds and "fudge" factors which may be

realistic

> > > and

> > > > pragmatic but we better be careful in calling that a study of

> > > > kemadruma yoga as it is understood or described in classics!

We

> > > have

> > > > witnessed time and again how semantics and words though

innocent

> > > can

> > > > have different connotations amongst contemporaries and can

flare

> > up

> > > > ugly emotions and ill-will. Even modern words -- and kemadruma

> > > > certainly not a modern word or symbol or flag. We should be

> > careful

> > > > with that label is all I am submitting to this august body.

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , arjun pandit

> > > > <panditarjun2004> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear brother satishji

> > > > >

> > > > > as you rightly observed, there is some ambiguity in the

books.

> > > one

> > > > book says rahu and ketu do not form the planets of

cancellation

> > and

> > > > in the B.V.Raman's example of a full KDY, rahu or ketu is

present

> > > > with moon. another book says sun is also excluded from the

> > > > cancellation clauses i.e. if sun is with moon or sun is in

> > kendra,

> > > > even then KDY exist. However, all literatures are unanimous

in

> > > > saying that if cancellation of this KDY happens, it is good

for

> > the

> > > > native and as to how good it is for the native is elucidated

in

> > > > detail for each cancellation clause.

> > > > >

> > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > arjun

> > > > >

> > > > > R Satish <rsatish1942> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > Very good clarification on Kemadruma so far. Need minor

> > > > > clarification,Is Rahu,Ketu also considered as a planet for

> > this

> > > > > yoga.There is some ambiguity in literature.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Satish

> > > > >

> > > > > , "kishore mohan"

> > > > > <kishore_future@i...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear govind,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I give your chart as below

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lagn- leo 2-mars & venus 3- sun& sat 4-mercy, jup&ketu 6-

moon

> > > 10-

> > > > > rahu

> > > > > >

> > > > > > from the above, it can be noticed that a quadrant from

moon

> > > > > (libra)

> > > > > > is not vacant and hence, full kemadruma is not realised.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > on the other hand, there are many good things in the

kundali.

> > > the

> > > > > > ninth and eighth lords are aspecting their own houses.

the

> > > > fourth

> > > > > > house is resided by 11th lord and 5th lord, thereby

> > foretelling

> > > > > > gains of land.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > however, the moon is extremely isolated and hence, we can

not

> > > > > > preclude emotional isolation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope this helps.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > kishore patnaik

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Govind Shah ]]]

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <govind_shah> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Is there Kemdrumyoga in my chart also.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Govind Shah

> > > > > > > 13th Nov,1983

> > > > > > > 01:30AM

> > > > > > > Ahmedabad.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am computer engineer , working with Tata Consultancy

> > > Services.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > if required more info plz let me know so i can give u.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Request you to help me out.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > Govind Shah.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > arjun pandit <panditarjun2004> wrote:

> > > > > > > dear ranjanji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > classics also says that if moon is exalted or has

strength,

> > > > then

> > > > > > also kemadruma yoga does not exist. as you rightly

observed,

> > > > > there

> > > > > > are detailed comprehensive explanations of how beneficial

the

> > > > > > cancellation of this yoga is under each cancellation rule.

> > so,

> > > > > the

> > > > > > native graymoon shall be happy for cancellation of this

yoga.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > > > arjun

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > > Some individuals also add another cancellation, namely

> > > chandra

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > in kendra from ascendant. I do not recall seeing that in

> > the

> > > > > > classics.

> > > > > > > Anyways an example of such a reversal of royal state is

in

> > > the

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > of Citizen King of France (Louis Philippe). He has an

> > exalted

> > > > > moon

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > the 7th house with other cancellations not applying. So,

> > the

> > > > > moon

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > kendra from ascendant could be questionable, in this

case.

> > > > > > > 6 Oct 1773, 9:40 AM LMT, Paris, France. February 1848 is

> > when

> > > > he

> > > > > > fled

> > > > > > > France to go in exile.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , arjun pandit

> > > > > > > <panditarjun2004> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > dear friend

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > in the chart of yours, there is NO kemadruma yog as

> > jupiter

> > > > is

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > kendra in the lagna chart and four planets are in

kendra in

> > > the

> > > > > > > chandra lagna. Besides Mars is also aspecting Moon.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > as per jyotish texts, full kemadruma yoga exist only

if

> > all

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > following conditions are met:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. no planet on either side of moon

> > > > > > > > 2. no planet along with moon

> > > > > > > > 3. no planet in kendra in lagna chart

> > > > > > > > 4. no planet in kendra in chandra lagna chart

> > > > > > > > 5. no planet aspecting moon in either lagna charts

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > if such a full kemadruma yoga exist in any chart, the

> > > native

> > > > > > even

> > > > > > > if born to a king, would become a daridra and face all

> > kinds

> > > of

> > > > > > > problems in the world.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > > > > arjun.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Friend,

> > > > > > > > As Ranjan said this yoga is not very uncommon and so

we

> > > have

> > > > > > lives

> > > > > > > in ratio of 40 percent success rate and 60% hard

> > > > > work.Expectations

> > > > > > > materialise at late stages.Let's be happy what we got

> > > > positively

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > be determind for what we want and get.

> > > > > > > > "this yog can cause lot of difficulties in person's

> > > life."All

> > > > > > most

> > > > > > > yogas enunciated in jyotish will give results maha dasa

and

> > > > > antar

> > > > > > > dasa periods.where as if the ascendant lord and rasi

lord

> > > with

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > navamsas the malefic results anticipated will get

> > > moderated.In

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > case disposition of jupiter is good and it will instill

> > some

> > > > > > spirtual

> > > > > > > approach in life which is good for boosting self

> > confidencing

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > strengthening lagna lord.

> > > > > > > > Regular prayers to Aditya and reciting Lingashtakam

> > > regularly

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > promote harmony and reduce eveil effects.

> > > > > > > > Prashna lagna only indicates health with mars in 6th

and

> > > > > > retrograde

> > > > > > > aspecting saturn posited in 9th in own nakshtra of

pushyami

> > > > that

> > > > > > > makes you to work hard and enjoy success out of

effort.Life

> > > to

> > > > > be

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > challenge and make one to withstand to all odds requires

> > > > > > > strengthening of both mars and saturn.

> > > > > > > > with your mind set on Almighty's prop to fight out

> > > odds,life

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > be smooth even if some abrupt events arise in some

> > situations

> > > > > > > > good luck

> > > > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Yes to the first point (cancellation), no to the other

> > > point -

> > > >

> > > > > > > > kemadruma is not all that rare or by itself

necessarily

> > > > > > negative.

> > > > > > > > That is why I asked the querrent, whom someone had

said

> > she

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > > Kemadruma, to do the exploration.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , mohammad

> > > nizamudeen

> > > > > > > > <faghaimni> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > dear rohini

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > kemadruva yoga will be nullified if any planet

> > > > > > > > > occupies in any kendra to the moon

> > > > > > > > > this yoga makes one dharidhra

> > > > > > > > > in my experience it is very rare

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > nizam

> > > > > > > > > --- "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Please do the following investigation, dear!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > a) Find a few persons who have at least a single

thing

> > > > > > > > > missing in

> > > > > > > > > their lives whether it is physical, mental or

> > > > > > > > > spiritual, at work,

> > > > > > > > > home or elsewhere. Do all of these have kemadruma

> > > > > > > > > alone explaining

> > > > > > > > > the 'one thing missing'?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > b) Find a few persons who have absolutely everything

> > > > > > > > > they really

> > > > > > > > > wanted. Don't go by your perceptions of their lives

> > > > > > > > > but get their

> > > > > > > > > honest views and statements to that effect.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Then report back please ...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > BTW, start with (a) -- it will be easier and less

> > > > > > > > > discouraging and

> > > > > > > > > you will become better equipped to embark on (b).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > People with kemadruma are really good at

impassionate

> > > > > > > > > research hence

> > > > > > > > > I am suggesting this "remedial" procedure on this

most

> > > > > > > > > auspicious day!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

, "graymoon44"

> > > > > > > > > <graymoon44> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaskar !!

> > > > > > > > > > I have told by someone that I have " Kemdrum Yog"

in

> > > > > > > > > my horoscopes

> > > > > > > > > > which means there will be at least one thing

lacking

> > > > > > > > > in my life and

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > could be anything from money, companionship,

> > > > > > > > > children, happiness

> > > > > > > > > and/or

> > > > > > > > > > success. After my research on internet about this

> > > > > > > > > yog, I have found

> > > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > that this yog can cause lot of difficulties in

> > > > > > > > > person's life. My

> > > > > > > > > date

> > > > > > > > > > of birth is January 14, 1981, time of birth is

23:07

> > > > > > > > > and place of

> > > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > is Surat-Gujarat. I am a female and I am single.

> > > > > > > > > > I need some help about this yog, is there any way

in

> > > > > > > > > our astrology

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > solve this problem? Is there any upayaya I can do

to

> > > > > > > > > solve this

> > > > > > > > > > problem. I would like to know how bad this yog is

> > > > > > > > > affecting on my

> > > > > > > > > > horoscopes? Is there any other bad things

happening

> > > > > > > > > in my

> > > > > > > > > horoscopes?

> > > > > > > > > > How does my horoscopes overall look like? Please

> > > > > > > > > help.

> > > > > > > > > >

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Rohiniji,

I fully concur with what you say on this, most of the yogas flow

through the general principles of which the Sages wanted us to be

aware of.

And I must admit that I never read in detail of that hypothetical

example, so couldnot give the answer, for this you must pardon me as

all gurus pardon their shishyas on minor as well as major matters of

misdemeanors!

regards,

rishi

October 21, 2005

Rohiniji,

I fully concur with what you say on this, most of the yogas flow

through the general principles of which the Sages wanted us to be

aware of.

And I must admit that I never read in detail of that hypothetical

example, so couldnot give the answer, for this you must pardon me as

all gurus pardon their shishyas on minor as well as major matters of

misdemeanors!

regards,

rishi

October 21, 2005

Exactly!

October 21, 2005

As far as real charts go, some time back my 15 year old daughter

wanted to play with the software and decided to cast her own chart,

having done that she found the ''Kemadruma yoga'' described by the

software and queried and queried.

The software 'saw' no flanking of the moon, no planets in kendras

from lagna and displayed prominently Kemadruma yoga.

I gave her the cancellation rule and of asked her to look at the

chart with moon placed in lagna and hey...she says..there is a

gajakesari yoga too with Ju in kendra from moon!

And with righteous indignation she claims why should they both exist

together..the KD and the gajakesari.

We still tease her about her isolated moon though..such is the drama

in life with jyotish and is likely to continue with no simple one

line answers.

The grey areas and life and jyotish will continue to baffle us ,

like it has baffled many a generations past as long as we try to map

out each inch of the life in our quest for clearcut answers.

However, I pose this question, which she posed to me, why should

gajakesari and kemadruma exist together!

regards

rishi

October 21, 2005

Firstly I must say that I am not a 'guru' or teacher. Some may

consider me as a elder student or just a slightly more senior peer to

get advice or confirmation from -- I am okay with that :-)

No problem with not reading the example. It was only aimed at

beginners which you certainly are not :-)

RR

, "rishi_2000in"

<rishi_2000in> wrote:

>

> Rohiniji,

> I fully concur with what you say on this, most of the yogas flow

> through the general principles of which the Sages wanted us to be

> aware of.

> And I must admit that I never read in detail of that hypothetical

> example, so couldnot give the answer, for this you must pardon me as

> all gurus pardon their shishyas on minor as well as major matters of

> misdemeanors!

> regards,

> rishi

>

October 21, 2005

Dear Rishi ji,

gajakesari yoga arising out of interaction of moon and jupiter and yet with weak

moon leading to KDY are independent.may be in uncertainities if more in the

beginning of the married life they are progressively made /converted in to a

noble and contended life based on dasaa involving jupiter.

expalnations may be plausible but jyotish has to stand to the test of times.yoga

'coz of position and yoga 'coz of aspect when compared the second one is

certainly consisitent to elated than of KDY and let me also repeat the words of

Rohini ji:it is futile to speak and make the bandwidth fruitless bash

krishnan

rishi_2000in <rishi_2000in wrote:

As far as real charts go, some time back my 15 year old daughter

wanted to play with the software and decided to cast her own chart,

having done that she found the ''Kemadruma yoga'' described by the

software and queried and queried.

The software 'saw' no flanking of the moon, no planets in kendras

from lagna and displayed prominently Kemadruma yoga.

I gave her the cancellation rule and of asked her to look at the

chart with moon placed in lagna and hey...she says..there is a

gajakesari yoga too with Ju in kendra from moon!

And with righteous indignation she claims why should they both exist

together..the KD and the gajakesari.

We still tease her about her isolated moon though..such is the drama

in life with jyotish and is likely to continue with no simple one

line answers.

The grey areas and life and jyotish will continue to baffle us ,

like it has baffled many a generations past as long as we try to map

out each inch of the life in our quest for clearcut answers.

However, I pose this question, which she posed to me, why should

gajakesari and kemadruma exist together!

regards

rishi

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October 21, 2005

KDY and GKY would not coexist functionally. GKY would amount to KDY

being cancelled because moon will have jupiter in kendra.

The 'functionally' can lead to some ambiguity since questions arise:

Is the cancellation as described lead to partial or complete

mitigation

Conversely, does the partly mitigated KDY affect the expression of

GKY?

Available texts remain silent on such fine matters. Hence the need

for real charts like you have kindly shared and personal

interpretations by contemporary jyotishis. The sword of

interpretation can pose its own problems (variable opinions and

interpretations etc) but against the test bed of real charts, and

with lot of hard work, only positive progress is possible in my

reckoning.

RR

, "rishi_2000in"

<rishi_2000in> wrote:

>

> As far as real charts go, some time back my 15 year old daughter

> wanted to play with the software and decided to cast her own chart,

> having done that she found the ''Kemadruma yoga'' described by the

> software and queried and queried.

> The software 'saw' no flanking of the moon, no planets in kendras

> from lagna and displayed prominently Kemadruma yoga.

> I gave her the cancellation rule and of asked her to look at the

> chart with moon placed in lagna and hey...she says..there is a

> gajakesari yoga too with Ju in kendra from moon!

> And with righteous indignation she claims why should they both

exist

> together..the KD and the gajakesari.

> We still tease her about her isolated moon though..such is the

drama

> in life with jyotish and is likely to continue with no simple one

> line answers.

> The grey areas and life and jyotish will continue to baffle us ,

> like it has baffled many a generations past as long as we try to

map

> out each inch of the life in our quest for clearcut answers.

> However, I pose this question, which she posed to me, why should

> gajakesari and kemadruma exist together!

>

> regards

>

> rishi

>

Q for beginners only (<1 year in jyotish)! ambiguity on kemadruma yoga(KDY)

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