[arjun pandit] samudrika sastra and allied views

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dear mallikarjuna rao garu,

 

i agree that with experience, lagna of the native,

dasa running,nakshatra etc can be predicted on just

seeing the person. It is also true that one should not

enter into practice of ksudra mantras without proper

help from a powerful siddha guru.

 

i respect the views of learned members on this topic.

But personally i feel that one who is deep into vedic

astrology will step into mantra sadhana,either to

propitiate grahas( a daivagna is supposed to be

"grahayajana patuscha" i.e adept in rituals relating

to the planets, necessarily involving mantras)or to

gain intuitive power. Late sri BV Raman and many

stalwarts in astrology are of the opinion that

practise of a mantra is a must for an astrologer to

gain intuition.It is also my experience that a unified

approach using palmistry, omens,physiognomy etc will

minimise the errors in prediction. For example, while

doing prasna vidhana, the best help we recieve is from

nimittas(omens).These omens invariably happen while

doing prasna,if one practises a mantra. I have

observed them a lot of times and they never go wrong

whereas our interpretation of a chart may go wrong

very easily, due to many factors which all you know

very well. So i feel,why not take the help from all

possible sources? After all, astrology is not mere

mathematics. All the ancient rishis who are founding

fathers of vedic jyotish were mantra drashtas.

 

i also agree that predictive power is not uniformly

present in an astrologer throughout his life.The great

Cheiro himself lost his accurate predictive power in

later years, when he lost the amulet tied by Kasi

pandits to his arm. It is precisely for this reason,

mantra siddhi is a must for an astrologer.

regards,

satya.

 

 

i thank you for your suggestion not to reveal much in

public forums about tantra and mantra. it is true.

--- arjun pandit <panditarjun2004 wrote:

 

> dear sharma garu

>

> while appreciating your sharing knowledge on various

> ways of reading, my eldery brotherly suggestion is

> not to share information on kshudra sadhana and

> tantra sadhana in public forums as i have enough

> experience in these fields and have seen the

> ramifications both with my gurus and with myself.

> just for your information i preach what i practice.

> in both public and private domain, i advise any and

> every one to desist from getting lured to the

> tantric or kshudra sadhanas which are like playing

> with fire unless he is a lone person in the world

> and has detached completely.

>

> as brother ashutoshji rightly said, samudrika sastra

> was mastered by the elderly generations who used to

> predict without even speaking a word. each branch

> of predictive science is great in its own way and we

> appreciate all such branches without one being

> superior or inferior.

>

> as regards RR's observation of not straying into

> other branches other than vedic jyotish, i have

> asked the group owner tanvir ji about the same few

> months ago and he welcomed sharing knowledge on

> allied subjects as well and hence sharing of views

> and knowledge is welcome.

>

> i thank brother krishnanji's compliments which i

> duly pass on to all the gurus from whom i learnt the

> little. in fact i studied the tantra, mantra,

> yantra first and then started walking backwards and

> am studying astrology for the past five years. to

> take further RR's views, even as per astrology

> (vedic jyotish) also one can predict by seeing a

> person's physical characteristics as to what lagna

> the person is, as to what planets are exalted or

> debilitated and are in which houses. i have seen

> several great vedic jyotish astrologers (often

> living in unrecognised bylanes and who do not know

> how to use a computer) who predict just by seeing

> the person, PURELY BASED ON VEDIC JYOTISH. this is

> what i meant when said only a highly experienced

> astrologer can read backwards. similarly just by

> hearing the diseases suffering or hearing the

> description of problems faced, as per vedic jyotish,

> one can read backwards as to what dasa and antardasa

> the person is undergoing. honestly speaking, if

> a person gives his/her precise birth details, the

> job of an astrologer is made easy in reading and

> analysing. but as krishnanji rightly observed, most

> visitors do not follow the remedies and keep

> visiting as many astrologers in the world as they

> can. by sticking to one astrologer, he/she would

> definitely get results.

>

> i personally felt shri. parthasarathy has tremendous

> knowledge (since he said that he got his third eye

> activated and use it for predictions) and even asked

> him to share some more knowledge on astrology and

> seven chakras a couple of weeks ago when he was

> sharing so much knowledge in so short a time , but

> unfortunately since then he is not available in this

> group. Kadrudraji in one of the mails mentioned

> that he is also studying on astrology and chakras

> and would request him to share any information on

> how to read the chakras based on astrolgy.

>

> the shankaracharya told that knowledge is like light

> and the more you share and gain knowledge, the more

> enlightened and illuminated one becomes.

>

> with best wishes

> arjun

>

> "r.sathyanarayana sharma" <rssharmabza

> wrote:

> dear members,

>

> with due regards, i would like to share a few things

> on the current topic of how predictions can be made

> without the aid of charts.

>

> There are two areas to consider,

> 1. Samudrika sastra or physiognomy:

> Mind is the subtle body and body is gross mind. As

> are

> the thoughts, so is the body. Yogis know this subtle

> connection. So a continuous pattern of thinking will

> bring changes in body accordingly. The first results

> are seen in the eyes.The eyes of pious ones are

> cool,restful,steady and without any color of

> passion.

> The shape, length,texture,etc of all the limbs speak

> volumes of the individual,if only we know how to

> read

> that language. For example, it is common knowledge

> among palmists that a clubbed thumb gives a cruel

> mind. The ears, if the upper part of them is pointed

> and lower part not hanging and close to the jaw will

> make that person a murderer. If the ears are long

> and

> broad,hanging will make a man wise and a sage.Like

> this, every organ gives clues about the psychology

> and

> mentality of the native.

>

> However, to know the future events, it requires a

> deep

> knowledge of the samudrika sastra and a certain

> advancement in yogic sadhana.Combining these two

> tools, we can know the future events(or past

> events)even without the aid of birth charts.

>

> 2. The second area is mantra sadhana. Without even

> knowing about samudrika sastra, one can know the

> future event through mantra sadhana. Now again in

> this, there are ksudra mantras like

> karna-pisaachini,vata-yakshina,vatuka-bhairava and a

> host of minor mantras and maha mantras like

> Gayatri,

> or the dasa maha vidyas etc.

>

> The ksudra mantras are easily gained siddhi in say

> 40

> days or so, but one has to continue giving

> bali(sacrifice,not necessarily animal)daily to that

> devata. Then it tells in the ear,many startling

> things

> like name of the questioner,his date of birth,day of

> birth,details of his family etc. But the future

> predictions fail miserably, since the vision of the

> devata is very limited. It cannot see the

> future.Usually the end of these mantra-practitioners

> is miserable.

>

> However, it is different with maha mantras.One knows

> the future events "in a flash". But siddhi is not

> easy. it may take years of hard tapasya.Intuition is

> a

> by product, the real siddhi being good qualities,

> lessening of desires,truthfulness,happiness without

> any cause,and vision of the maha devata.A mere wish

> of

> such a man can change the karma of some afflicted

> soul, depending upon the acquired tapas-sakti.

>

> so there are any number of methods to know the

> future,

> some unwanted and some grand.To quote an example, we

> have some Mooka-jyosishkas(dumb-astrologers) from

> Tamil nadu. One such man came to my house and

> without

> even looking at my wife, said "your wife was born on

> Monday". It was damn correct!!.Later he divulged his

> secret that he practises karna pisachi mantra.

>

> There are many such things in this world.

> regards

> satya.

>

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