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dear sharma garu

 

while appreciating your sharing knowledge on various ways of reading, my eldery

brotherly suggestion is not to share information on kshudra sadhana and tantra

sadhana in public forums as i have enough experience in these fields and have

seen the ramifications both with my gurus and with myself. just for your

information i preach what i practice. in both public and private domain, i

advise any and every one to desist from getting lured to the tantric or kshudra

sadhanas which are like playing with fire unless he is a lone person in the

world and has detached completely.

 

as brother ashutoshji rightly said, samudrika sastra was mastered by the elderly

generations who used to predict without even speaking a word. each branch of

predictive science is great in its own way and we appreciate all such branches

without one being superior or inferior.

 

as regards RR's observation of not straying into other branches other than vedic

jyotish, i have asked the group owner tanvir ji about the same few months ago

and he welcomed sharing knowledge on allied subjects as well and hence sharing

of views and knowledge is welcome.

 

i thank brother krishnanji's compliments which i duly pass on to all the gurus

from whom i learnt the little. in fact i studied the tantra, mantra, yantra

first and then started walking backwards and am studying astrology for the past

five years. to take further RR's views, even as per astrology (vedic jyotish)

also one can predict by seeing a person's physical characteristics as to what

lagna the person is, as to what planets are exalted or debilitated and are in

which houses. i have seen several great vedic jyotish astrologers (often living

in unrecognised bylanes and who do not know how to use a computer) who predict

just by seeing the person, PURELY BASED ON VEDIC JYOTISH. this is what i meant

when said only a highly experienced astrologer can read backwards. similarly

just by hearing the diseases suffering or hearing the description of problems

faced, as per vedic jyotish, one can read backwards as to what dasa and

antardasa the person is undergoing. honestly speaking, if

a person gives his/her precise birth details, the job of an astrologer is made

easy in reading and analysing. but as krishnanji rightly observed, most

visitors do not follow the remedies and keep visiting as many astrologers in the

world as they can. by sticking to one astrologer, he/she would definitely get

results.

 

i personally felt shri. parthasarathy has tremendous knowledge (since he said

that he got his third eye activated and use it for predictions) and even asked

him to share some more knowledge on astrology and seven chakras a couple of

weeks ago when he was sharing so much knowledge in so short a time , but

unfortunately since then he is not available in this group. Kadrudraji in one

of the mails mentioned that he is also studying on astrology and chakras and

would request him to share any information on how to read the chakras based on

astrolgy.

 

the shankaracharya told that knowledge is like light and the more you share and

gain knowledge, the more enlightened and illuminated one becomes.

 

with best wishes

arjun

 

"r.sathyanarayana sharma" <rssharmabza wrote:

dear members,

 

with due regards, i would like to share a few things

on the current topic of how predictions can be made

without the aid of charts.

 

There are two areas to consider,

1. Samudrika sastra or physiognomy:

Mind is the subtle body and body is gross mind. As are

the thoughts, so is the body. Yogis know this subtle

connection. So a continuous pattern of thinking will

bring changes in body accordingly. The first results

are seen in the eyes.The eyes of pious ones are

cool,restful,steady and without any color of passion.

The shape, length,texture,etc of all the limbs speak

volumes of the individual,if only we know how to read

that language. For example, it is common knowledge

among palmists that a clubbed thumb gives a cruel

mind. The ears, if the upper part of them is pointed

and lower part not hanging and close to the jaw will

make that person a murderer. If the ears are long and

broad,hanging will make a man wise and a sage.Like

this, every organ gives clues about the psychology and

mentality of the native.

 

However, to know the future events, it requires a deep

knowledge of the samudrika sastra and a certain

advancement in yogic sadhana.Combining these two

tools, we can know the future events(or past

events)even without the aid of birth charts.

 

2. The second area is mantra sadhana. Without even

knowing about samudrika sastra, one can know the

future event through mantra sadhana. Now again in

this, there are ksudra mantras like

karna-pisaachini,vata-yakshina,vatuka-bhairava and a

host of minor mantras and maha mantras like Gayatri,

or the dasa maha vidyas etc.

 

The ksudra mantras are easily gained siddhi in say 40

days or so, but one has to continue giving

bali(sacrifice,not necessarily animal)daily to that

devata. Then it tells in the ear,many startling things

like name of the questioner,his date of birth,day of

birth,details of his family etc. But the future

predictions fail miserably, since the vision of the

devata is very limited. It cannot see the

future.Usually the end of these mantra-practitioners

is miserable.

 

However, it is different with maha mantras.One knows

the future events "in a flash". But siddhi is not

easy. it may take years of hard tapasya.Intuition is a

by product, the real siddhi being good qualities,

lessening of desires,truthfulness,happiness without

any cause,and vision of the maha devata.A mere wish of

such a man can change the karma of some afflicted

soul, depending upon the acquired tapas-sakti.

 

so there are any number of methods to know the future,

some unwanted and some grand.To quote an example, we

have some Mooka-jyosishkas(dumb-astrologers) from

Tamil nadu. One such man came to my house and without

even looking at my wife, said "your wife was born on

Monday". It was damn correct!!.Later he divulged his

secret that he practises karna pisachi mantra.

 

There are many such things in this world.

regards

satya.

 

 

 

 

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Dear Arjun,

 

Indeed, Saamudrika and astrology are interconnected but in correct

sense it may not be good to group saamudrika under astrology since

the 'exact' meaning of aster/astra is STAR. In the broad sense, it

IS a branch of JYOTISHA and there should be no hesitation in sharing

information.

 

About my studies with CHAKRAs, I did not mean Yogic chakras, which

form a different subject of inter-connectivity. The CHAKRAs

mentioned in my reply to Mr.Balaji are JYOTISHA chakras like

SarvatoBhadraChakra, NaDi chakra, Vedhaa chakra concerned with

nakshatras. Though, I took interest in inter-relation between Yogic

chakras, music and astrology while studying VeeNaa Rahasya, a

classical text, still my research work on the subject is incomplete.

I will surely let you know when it is complete.

 

 

yours

KAD

 

 

, arjun pandit

<panditarjun2004> wrote:

>

> dear sharma garu

>

> while appreciating your sharing knowledge on various ways of

reading, my eldery brotherly suggestion is not to share information

on kshudra sadhana and tantra sadhana in public forums as i have

enough experience in these fields and have seen the ramifications

both with my gurus and with myself. just for your information i

preach what i practice. in both public and private domain, i advise

any and every one to desist from getting lured to the tantric or

kshudra sadhanas which are like playing with fire unless he is a

lone person in the world and has detached completely.

>

> as brother ashutoshji rightly said, samudrika sastra was mastered

by the elderly generations who used to predict without even speaking

a word. each branch of predictive science is great in its own way

and we appreciate all such branches without one being superior or

inferior.

>

> as regards RR's observation of not straying into other branches

other than vedic jyotish, i have asked the group owner tanvir ji

about the same few months ago and he welcomed sharing knowledge on

allied subjects as well and hence sharing of views and knowledge is

welcome.

>

> i thank brother krishnanji's compliments which i duly pass on to

all the gurus from whom i learnt the little. in fact i studied the

tantra, mantra, yantra first and then started walking backwards and

am studying astrology for the past five years. to take further RR's

views, even as per astrology (vedic jyotish) also one can predict by

seeing a person's physical characteristics as to what lagna the

person is, as to what planets are exalted or debilitated and are in

which houses. i have seen several great vedic jyotish astrologers

(often living in unrecognised bylanes and who do not know how to use

a computer) who predict just by seeing the person, PURELY BASED ON

VEDIC JYOTISH. this is what i meant when said only a highly

experienced astrologer can read backwards. similarly just by

hearing the diseases suffering or hearing the description of

problems faced, as per vedic jyotish, one can read backwards as to

what dasa and antardasa the person is undergoing. honestly

speaking, if

> a person gives his/her precise birth details, the job of an

astrologer is made easy in reading and analysing. but as krishnanji

rightly observed, most visitors do not follow the remedies and keep

visiting as many astrologers in the world as they can. by sticking

to one astrologer, he/she would definitely get results.

>

> i personally felt shri. parthasarathy has tremendous knowledge

(since he said that he got his third eye activated and use it for

predictions) and even asked him to share some more knowledge on

astrology and seven chakras a couple of weeks ago when he was

sharing so much knowledge in so short a time , but unfortunately

since then he is not available in this group. Kadrudraji in one of

the mails mentioned that he is also studying on astrology and

chakras and would request him to share any information on how to

read the chakras based on astrolgy.

>

> the shankaracharya told that knowledge is like light and the more

you share and gain knowledge, the more enlightened and illuminated

one becomes.

>

> with best wishes

> arjun

>

> "r.sathyanarayana sharma" <rssharmabza> wrote:

> dear members,

>

> with due regards, i would like to share a few things

> on the current topic of how predictions can be made

> without the aid of charts.

>

> There are two areas to consider,

> 1. Samudrika sastra or physiognomy:

> Mind is the subtle body and body is gross mind. As are

> the thoughts, so is the body. Yogis know this subtle

> connection. So a continuous pattern of thinking will

> bring changes in body accordingly. The first results

> are seen in the eyes.The eyes of pious ones are

> cool,restful,steady and without any color of passion.

> The shape, length,texture,etc of all the limbs speak

> volumes of the individual,if only we know how to read

> that language. For example, it is common knowledge

> among palmists that a clubbed thumb gives a cruel

> mind. The ears, if the upper part of them is pointed

> and lower part not hanging and close to the jaw will

> make that person a murderer. If the ears are long and

> broad,hanging will make a man wise and a sage.Like

> this, every organ gives clues about the psychology and

> mentality of the native.

>

> However, to know the future events, it requires a deep

> knowledge of the samudrika sastra and a certain

> advancement in yogic sadhana.Combining these two

> tools, we can know the future events(or past

> events)even without the aid of birth charts.

>

> 2. The second area is mantra sadhana. Without even

> knowing about samudrika sastra, one can know the

> future event through mantra sadhana. Now again in

> this, there are ksudra mantras like

> karna-pisaachini,vata-yakshina,vatuka-bhairava and a

> host of minor mantras and maha mantras like Gayatri,

> or the dasa maha vidyas etc.

>

> The ksudra mantras are easily gained siddhi in say 40

> days or so, but one has to continue giving

> bali(sacrifice,not necessarily animal)daily to that

> devata. Then it tells in the ear,many startling things

> like name of the questioner,his date of birth,day of

> birth,details of his family etc. But the future

> predictions fail miserably, since the vision of the

> devata is very limited. It cannot see the

> future.Usually the end of these mantra-practitioners

> is miserable.

>

> However, it is different with maha mantras.One knows

> the future events "in a flash". But siddhi is not

> easy. it may take years of hard tapasya.Intuition is a

> by product, the real siddhi being good qualities,

> lessening of desires,truthfulness,happiness without

> any cause,and vision of the maha devata.A mere wish of

> such a man can change the karma of some afflicted

> soul, depending upon the acquired tapas-sakti.

>

> so there are any number of methods to know the future,

> some unwanted and some grand.To quote an example, we

> have some Mooka-jyosishkas(dumb-astrologers) from

> Tamil nadu. One such man came to my house and without

> even looking at my wife, said "your wife was born on

> Monday". It was damn correct!!.Later he divulged his

> secret that he practises karna pisachi mantra.

>

> There are many such things in this world.

> regards

> satya.

>

>

>

>

> ________

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http://.shaadi.com

>

>

>

>

> SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH

THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

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You are misrepresenting and misquoting me. I have nothing against

anyone discussing those here or wherever they wish. I am just

expressing my views that all non-astrological divinatory crafts should

not be mislabelled as *astrology* or part of it. This has nothing to do

with those being valid tools and approaches for reading anyone's future

or their compared status with astrology. They are just not astrology.

 

I am surprised that such a straight forward statement was misunderstood

and misrepresented!

 

RR

 

 

 

, arjun pandit

<panditarjun2004> wrote:

>

>>

> as regards RR's observation of not straying into other branches other

than vedic jyotish, i have asked the group owner tanvir ji about the

same few months ago and he welcomed sharing knowledge on allied

subjects as well and hence sharing of views and knowledge is welcome.

>

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Dear Friends,

The heat of the debates should not be to take away our maturity.After all

opinions can differ as approaches are not identical.But there should not be any

room to feel:"straight forward statement was misunderstood and misrepresented!"

Let's join on issues like this and the day with refreshing/tickling

Astrology,whatever way we can.

Rohini ji,is categorical when he says:'valid tools and approaches for reading

anyone's future"

I am sure as already stated else where I am sure he likes to stick to his "last

post"

iam sure every one of us will not resort to desperate means to ravel future and

land the subject in to piquancy.wherever we feel it is essential according to

one's own approach may like to invoke the methods to foretell and guide people.

In the group one of our member has been insisting me for some tantric methods

which Shri Sharma ji has broadly cited in his mail.I declined to my friend to go

beyond "84yogakshini"name being mentioned

krishnan

 

 

"Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb wrote:

You are misrepresenting and misquoting me. I have nothing against

anyone discussing those here or wherever they wish. I am just

expressing my views that all non-astrological divinatory crafts should

not be mislabelled as *astrology* or part of it. This has nothing to do

with those being valid tools and approaches for reading anyone's future

or their compared status with astrology. They are just not astrology.

 

I am surprised that such a straight forward statement was misunderstood

and misrepresented!

 

RR

 

 

 

, arjun pandit

<panditarjun2004> wrote:

>

>>

> as regards RR's observation of not straying into other branches other

than vedic jyotish, i have asked the group owner tanvir ji about the

same few months ago and he welcomed sharing knowledge on allied

subjects as well and hence sharing of views and knowledge is welcome.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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point to the clarification.Kad rudra ji,what a nice professional approach!.God

bless

krishnan

 

kadrudra <kadrudra wrote:

Dear Arjun,

 

Indeed, Saamudrika and astrology are interconnected but in correct

sense it may not be good to group saamudrika under astrology since

the 'exact' meaning of aster/astra is STAR. In the broad sense, it

IS a branch of JYOTISHA and there should be no hesitation in sharing

information.

 

About my studies with CHAKRAs, I did not mean Yogic chakras, which

form a different subject of inter-connectivity. The CHAKRAs

mentioned in my reply to Mr.Balaji are JYOTISHA chakras like

SarvatoBhadraChakra, NaDi chakra, Vedhaa chakra concerned with

nakshatras. Though, I took interest in inter-relation between Yogic

chakras, music and astrology while studying VeeNaa Rahasya, a

classical text, still my research work on the subject is incomplete.

I will surely let you know when it is complete.

 

 

yours

KAD

 

 

, arjun pandit

<panditarjun2004> wrote:

>

> dear sharma garu

>

> while appreciating your sharing knowledge on various ways of

reading, my eldery brotherly suggestion is not to share information

on kshudra sadhana and tantra sadhana in public forums as i have

enough experience in these fields and have seen the ramifications

both with my gurus and with myself. just for your information i

preach what i practice. in both public and private domain, i advise

any and every one to desist from getting lured to the tantric or

kshudra sadhanas which are like playing with fire unless he is a

lone person in the world and has detached completely.

>

> as brother ashutoshji rightly said, samudrika sastra was mastered

by the elderly generations who used to predict without even speaking

a word. each branch of predictive science is great in its own way

and we appreciate all such branches without one being superior or

inferior.

>

> as regards RR's observation of not straying into other branches

other than vedic jyotish, i have asked the group owner tanvir ji

about the same few months ago and he welcomed sharing knowledge on

allied subjects as well and hence sharing of views and knowledge is

welcome.

>

> i thank brother krishnanji's compliments which i duly pass on to

all the gurus from whom i learnt the little. in fact i studied the

tantra, mantra, yantra first and then started walking backwards and

am studying astrology for the past five years. to take further RR's

views, even as per astrology (vedic jyotish) also one can predict by

seeing a person's physical characteristics as to what lagna the

person is, as to what planets are exalted or debilitated and are in

which houses. i have seen several great vedic jyotish astrologers

(often living in unrecognised bylanes and who do not know how to use

a computer) who predict just by seeing the person, PURELY BASED ON

VEDIC JYOTISH. this is what i meant when said only a highly

experienced astrologer can read backwards. similarly just by

hearing the diseases suffering or hearing the description of

problems faced, as per vedic jyotish, one can read backwards as to

what dasa and antardasa the person is undergoing. honestly

speaking, if

> a person gives his/her precise birth details, the job of an

astrologer is made easy in reading and analysing. but as krishnanji

rightly observed, most visitors do not follow the remedies and keep

visiting as many astrologers in the world as they can. by sticking

to one astrologer, he/she would definitely get results.

>

> i personally felt shri. parthasarathy has tremendous knowledge

(since he said that he got his third eye activated and use it for

predictions) and even asked him to share some more knowledge on

astrology and seven chakras a couple of weeks ago when he was

sharing so much knowledge in so short a time , but unfortunately

since then he is not available in this group. Kadrudraji in one of

the mails mentioned that he is also studying on astrology and

chakras and would request him to share any information on how to

read the chakras based on astrolgy.

>

> the shankaracharya told that knowledge is like light and the more

you share and gain knowledge, the more enlightened and illuminated

one becomes.

>

> with best wishes

> arjun

>

> "r.sathyanarayana sharma" <rssharmabza> wrote:

> dear members,

>

> with due regards, i would like to share a few things

> on the current topic of how predictions can be made

> without the aid of charts.

>

> There are two areas to consider,

> 1. Samudrika sastra or physiognomy:

> Mind is the subtle body and body is gross mind. As are

> the thoughts, so is the body. Yogis know this subtle

> connection. So a continuous pattern of thinking will

> bring changes in body accordingly. The first results

> are seen in the eyes.The eyes of pious ones are

> cool,restful,steady and without any color of passion.

> The shape, length,texture,etc of all the limbs speak

> volumes of the individual,if only we know how to read

> that language. For example, it is common knowledge

> among palmists that a clubbed thumb gives a cruel

> mind. The ears, if the upper part of them is pointed

> and lower part not hanging and close to the jaw will

> make that person a murderer. If the ears are long and

> broad,hanging will make a man wise and a sage.Like

> this, every organ gives clues about the psychology and

> mentality of the native.

>

> However, to know the future events, it requires a deep

> knowledge of the samudrika sastra and a certain

> advancement in yogic sadhana.Combining these two

> tools, we can know the future events(or past

> events)even without the aid of birth charts.

>

> 2. The second area is mantra sadhana. Without even

> knowing about samudrika sastra, one can know the

> future event through mantra sadhana. Now again in

> this, there are ksudra mantras like

> karna-pisaachini,vata-yakshina,vatuka-bhairava and a

> host of minor mantras and maha mantras like Gayatri,

> or the dasa maha vidyas etc.

>

> The ksudra mantras are easily gained siddhi in say 40

> days or so, but one has to continue giving

> bali(sacrifice,not necessarily animal)daily to that

> devata. Then it tells in the ear,many startling things

> like name of the questioner,his date of birth,day of

> birth,details of his family etc. But the future

> predictions fail miserably, since the vision of the

> devata is very limited. It cannot see the

> future.Usually the end of these mantra-practitioners

> is miserable.

>

> However, it is different with maha mantras.One knows

> the future events "in a flash". But siddhi is not

> easy. it may take years of hard tapasya.Intuition is a

> by product, the real siddhi being good qualities,

> lessening of desires,truthfulness,happiness without

> any cause,and vision of the maha devata.A mere wish of

> such a man can change the karma of some afflicted

> soul, depending upon the acquired tapas-sakti.

>

> so there are any number of methods to know the future,

> some unwanted and some grand.To quote an example, we

> have some Mooka-jyosishkas(dumb-astrologers) from

> Tamil nadu. One such man came to my house and without

> even looking at my wife, said "your wife was born on

> Monday". It was damn correct!!.Later he divulged his

> secret that he practises karna pisachi mantra.

>

> There are many such things in this world.

> regards

> satya.

>

>

>

>

> ________

> India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to

http://.shaadi.com

>

>

>

>

> SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH

THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

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Mr.Krishnan,

 

I am not exactly sure what you were trying to say :-) but just so

things are clear, I personally have no problem with people using or

discussing any form of divinatory practices or possibilities on this

or any other forums where those are acceptable to the moderator and

even a few readers. Why do I have that position:

 

a) I do not think astrology as we know it or as it is practiced is

superior to any of these necessarily. It is more understandable

because it has a framework of logic and hence more appealing to the

modern mind, particularly scientific and rational minds. So there is

instant familiarity and thus acceptance is easier.

 

b) Astrology is not superior or even consistently more reproducible

than some of the other divinatory techniques. I am not including the

chicken feet charlatans but true practitioners of any and all

divinatory crafts. I have seen individuals perform in their own

fields of choosing, whether it is tarot, runes, yarrow, tarot or sand

patterns and tea-leaves and even crystal balls etc. I have heard of

psychics from reliable sources and their performance. I have heard of

nadi readers. Any of these would match and even exceed the

performance of astrology as it is practiced today. The outcomes may

be unpredictable, the mindsets required to make these techniques work

might be different and difficult to come by but when in the hands of

an expert the outcome is comparable -- at least in my experience

through observation.

 

c) The advantage astrology has over these is that it can be learned

by pretty much anyone. Now mind you, not everyone will become expert

at it or would be able to turn it into a source of earning or be able

to buy boats and mansions by practicing astrology but pretty much

anyone who can think logically (or even many who cannot!) and has a

moderate amount of intelligence and memory and has an eye for pattern

identification and correlation can get quite ahead in astrology. It

is truly something that is technical in that sense -- a craft that

can be learned and techniques can be transferred from one individual

to another if there is willing participation and interest in learning.

 

d) When I say that all divinations particularly physiognomy and palm

reading and so on should not be lumped with astrology under the label

of astrology, it is not because these do not work or are not

effective but just that these are different and distinctively

different from astrology. It is true that Parashara includes some

physiognomy in his predominantly astrology-based text, and more

importantly it is also possible to draw the chart from palm lines and

thumb impressions -- so the two modalities are linked at some level,

somehow but they should not be lumped under one label. If we begin to

do this indiscriminately, and this kind of fuzziness becomes a

regular mental habit, it would adversely affect our ability to

perform as ordinary astrologers (not including those who look at a

person and tell their wife's first name or their birth data or even

those that can produce a bird's egg from thin air!) because we depend

on our faculties of pattern recognition and discrimination to carry

out the type of analytical-synthetical astrology that most of us do.

If we lose that terribly important faculty, then we would not be able

to figure out which of the five factors or five combinations staring

at us from a chart would really click in the case of the nativity.

The fact of the matter is that this is the most confusing thing that

people find in a chart, Like in medicine, diagnosis of the disease is

more crucial because on that will depend what remedy you are going to

prescribe. Remedies can be looked up in a book, using the analogy

from medicine I say, but no patient comes with the diagnosis written

on their forehead. These faculties are helped by keeping the mind

pure, focused and not turn into a vegetable blender of sorts. This is

where the insistence of older teachers and sages to keep the mind

simple, pure etc is necessary for astrologers. There is nothing

magical there, just common sense!

 

A personal beef -- I find that we astrologers fight and quibble a lot

more and get personal very quickly in any discussion. I also find

that when people are confronted with simple questions such as " have

you tried this technique vs the other" immediately everyone jumps in

and begins talking about their success (without bothering to give

specific details) or of their guru and then branch into other topics

and lose focus. This overeagerness to write something, anything

without giving significant information is not a healthy one. If one

presses, as I sometimes have done in the past, eventually a few write

about one or the other chart and often this has nothing to do with

the original topic but a drift into something else! Is this because

people are not studying charts any more? Or not seriously?? Well that

is not very encouraging. That is all I have to say.

 

What I liked about Gurmeet's recent posts was that though he was

confronting recent statements and practices and biases in astrology

and perhaps in a confrontational and direct manner, he was also

talking about charts, giving his analysis. He did not move away from

astrology. I wish we can all learn from that. Twisted minds might see

this as a bias because he extolled the use of nakshatras or praised

me for writing on that topic etc. I am sick and tired of all the

politics that runs deep in jyotish these days, something that I have

always shunned and thank god I did, even if it did not gain me any

friends but rather the opposite. This culture of secrecy and

sycophancy must end or we would just be pushing back jyotish into the

dark ages, perhaps for the first time, since its inception or

revelation to the human beings!

 

RR

 

 

 

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

>

>

> Dear Friends,

> The heat of the debates should not be to take away our

maturity.After all opinions can differ as approaches are not

identical.But there should not be any room to feel:"straight forward

statement was misunderstood and misrepresented!"

> Let's join on issues like this and the day with refreshing/tickling

Astrology,whatever way we can.

> Rohini ji,is categorical when he says:'valid tools and approaches

for reading anyone's future"

> I am sure as already stated else where I am sure he likes to stick

to his "last post"

> iam sure every one of us will not resort to desperate means to

ravel future and land the subject in to piquancy.wherever we feel it

is essential according to one's own approach may like to invoke the

methods to foretell and guide people.

> In the group one of our member has been insisting me for some

tantric methods which Shri Sharma ji has broadly cited in his mail.I

declined to my friend to go beyond "84yogakshini"name being mentioned

> krishnan

>

>

> "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> You are misrepresenting and misquoting me. I have nothing against

> anyone discussing those here or wherever they wish. I am just

> expressing my views that all non-astrological divinatory crafts

should

> not be mislabelled as *astrology* or part of it. This has nothing

to do

> with those being valid tools and approaches for reading anyone's

future

> or their compared status with astrology. They are just not

astrology.

>

> I am surprised that such a straight forward statement was

misunderstood

> and misrepresented!

>

> RR

>

>

>

> , arjun pandit

> <panditarjun2004> wrote:

> >

> >>

> > as regards RR's observation of not straying into other branches

other

> than vedic jyotish, i have asked the group owner tanvir ji about

the

> same few months ago and he welcomed sharing knowledge on allied

> subjects as well and hence sharing of views and knowledge is

welcome.

> >

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Dear Rohini ji,

I was seriously applying all these listed by you and in agreement pl

 

Astrology and alleid fields are different:

as astrology has: a framework of logic

 

truly something that is technical in that sense -- a craft that

can be learned and techniques can be transferred from one individual

Astrology if needs to be ushered into modern era it requires:

 

also talking about charts, giving his analysis. He did not move away from

 

 

people are not studying charts any more? Or not seriously?? Well that is not

very encouraging

 

Allied fields(not Astrology):

 

in the hands of an expert the outcome (through other allied fields)is comparable

 

to another these are different and distinctively different from astrology

Perfectly agreeable and need to take the concepts seriously

 

"Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb wrote:

Mr.Krishnan,

 

I am not exactly sure what you were trying to say :-) but just so

things are clear, I personally have no problem with people using or

discussing any form of divinatory practices or possibilities on this

or any other forums where those are acceptable to the moderator and

even a few readers. Why do I have that position:

 

a) I do not think astrology as we know it or as it is practiced is

superior to any of these necessarily. It is more understandable

because it has a framework of logic and hence more appealing to the

modern mind, particularly scientific and rational minds. So there is

instant familiarity and thus acceptance is easier.

 

b) Astrology is not superior or even consistently more reproducible

than some of the other divinatory techniques. I am not including the

chicken feet charlatans but true practitioners of any and all

divinatory crafts. I have seen individuals perform in their own

fields of choosing, whether it is tarot, runes, yarrow, tarot or sand

patterns and tea-leaves and even crystal balls etc. I have heard of

psychics from reliable sources and their performance. I have heard of

nadi readers. Any of these would match and even exceed the

performance of astrology as it is practiced today. The outcomes may

be unpredictable, the mindsets required to make these techniques work

might be different and difficult to come by but when in the hands of

an expert the outcome is comparable -- at least in my experience

through observation.

 

c) The advantage astrology has over these is that it can be learned

by pretty much anyone. Now mind you, not everyone will become expert

at it or would be able to turn it into a source of earning or be able

to buy boats and mansions by practicing astrology but pretty much

anyone who can think logically (or even many who cannot!) and has a

moderate amount of intelligence and memory and has an eye for pattern

identification and correlation can get quite ahead in astrology. It

is truly something that is technical in that sense -- a craft that

can be learned and techniques can be transferred from one individual

to another if there is willing participation and interest in learning.

 

d) When I say that all divinations particularly physiognomy and palm

reading and so on should not be lumped with astrology under the label

of astrology, it is not because these do not work or are not

effective but just that these are different and distinctively

different from astrology. It is true that Parashara includes some

physiognomy in his predominantly astrology-based text, and more

importantly it is also possible to draw the chart from palm lines and

thumb impressions -- so the two modalities are linked at some level,

somehow but they should not be lumped under one label. If we begin to

do this indiscriminately, and this kind of fuzziness becomes a

regular mental habit, it would adversely affect our ability to

perform as ordinary astrologers (not including those who look at a

person and tell their wife's first name or their birth data or even

those that can produce a bird's egg from thin air!) because we depend

on our faculties of pattern recognition and discrimination to carry

out the type of analytical-synthetical astrology that most of us do.

If we lose that terribly important faculty, then we would not be able

to figure out which of the five factors or five combinations staring

at us from a chart would really click in the case of the nativity.

The fact of the matter is that this is the most confusing thing that

people find in a chart, Like in medicine, diagnosis of the disease is

more crucial because on that will depend what remedy you are going to

prescribe. Remedies can be looked up in a book, using the analogy

from medicine I say, but no patient comes with the diagnosis written

on their forehead. These faculties are helped by keeping the mind

pure, focused and not turn into a vegetable blender of sorts. This is

where the insistence of older teachers and sages to keep the mind

simple, pure etc is necessary for astrologers. There is nothing

magical there, just common sense!

 

A personal beef -- I find that we astrologers fight and quibble a lot

more and get personal very quickly in any discussion. I also find

that when people are confronted with simple questions such as " have

you tried this technique vs the other" immediately everyone jumps in

and begins talking about their success (without bothering to give

specific details) or of their guru and then branch into other topics

and lose focus. This overeagerness to write something, anything

without giving significant information is not a healthy one. If one

presses, as I sometimes have done in the past, eventually a few write

about one or the other chart and often this has nothing to do with

the original topic but a drift into something else! Is this because

people are not studying charts any more? Or not seriously?? Well that

is not very encouraging. That is all I have to say.

 

What I liked about Gurmeet's recent posts was that though he was

confronting recent statements and practices and biases in astrology

and perhaps in a confrontational and direct manner, he was also

talking about charts, giving his analysis. He did not move away from

astrology. I wish we can all learn from that. Twisted minds might see

this as a bias because he extolled the use of nakshatras or praised

me for writing on that topic etc. I am sick and tired of all the

politics that runs deep in jyotish these days, something that I have

always shunned and thank god I did, even if it did not gain me any

friends but rather the opposite. This culture of secrecy and

sycophancy must end or we would just be pushing back jyotish into the

dark ages, perhaps for the first time, since its inception or

revelation to the human beings!

 

RR

 

 

 

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

>

>

> Dear Friends,

> The heat of the debates should not be to take away our

maturity.After all opinions can differ as approaches are not

identical.But there should not be any room to feel:"straight forward

statement was misunderstood and misrepresented!"

> Let's join on issues like this and the day with refreshing/tickling

Astrology,whatever way we can.

> Rohini ji,is categorical when he says:'valid tools and approaches

for reading anyone's future"

> I am sure as already stated else where I am sure he likes to stick

to his "last post"

> iam sure every one of us will not resort to desperate means to

ravel future and land the subject in to piquancy.wherever we feel it

is essential according to one's own approach may like to invoke the

methods to foretell and guide people.

> In the group one of our member has been insisting me for some

tantric methods which Shri Sharma ji has broadly cited in his mail.I

declined to my friend to go beyond "84yogakshini"name being mentioned

> krishnan

>

>

> "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> You are misrepresenting and misquoting me. I have nothing against

> anyone discussing those here or wherever they wish. I am just

> expressing my views that all non-astrological divinatory crafts

should

> not be mislabelled as *astrology* or part of it. This has nothing

to do

> with those being valid tools and approaches for reading anyone's

future

> or their compared status with astrology. They are just not

astrology.

>

> I am surprised that such a straight forward statement was

misunderstood

> and misrepresented!

>

> RR

>

>

>

> , arjun pandit

> <panditarjun2004> wrote:

> >

> >>

> > as regards RR's observation of not straying into other branches

other

> than vedic jyotish, i have asked the group owner tanvir ji about

the

> same few months ago and he welcomed sharing knowledge on allied

> subjects as well and hence sharing of views and knowledge is

welcome.

> >

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH

THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology

>

>

>

>

>

> Visit your group "" on the web.

>

>

>

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF

ABSOLUTE BLISS.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology

 

 

 

 

 

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