samudrika sastra (All predictive crafts/techniques are not astrology)

October 8, 2005

Sure --- prediction can be made using many different ways, including

tea leaves (I am serious and not being sarcastic or trying to put tea

leaves down), yarrow sticks, nimittas, and many other symbols. I once

had a friend who used to be very good at reading omens and symbols

and made significant sums of money in his younger days through

finding the numbers for the local lottery/satta. Psychics can often

give very uncanny information.

But the point is we should not loosely label these as ASTROLOGY even

when otherwise reputed and capable astrologers/jyotishis use these in

their routine practice. If we keep calling all these astrology, it

muddies the picture and reduces clarity.

RR

, "r.sathyanarayana sharma"

<rssharmabza> wrote:

>

> dear members,

>

> with due regards, i would like to share a few things

> on the current topic of how predictions can be made

> without the aid of charts.

>

> There are two areas to consider,

> 1. Samudrika sastra or physiognomy:

> Mind is the subtle body and body is gross mind. As are

> the thoughts, so is the body. Yogis know this subtle

> connection. So a continuous pattern of thinking will

> bring changes in body accordingly. The first results

> are seen in the eyes.The eyes of pious ones are

> cool,restful,steady and without any color of passion.

> The shape, length,texture,etc of all the limbs speak

> volumes of the individual,if only we know how to read

> that language. For example, it is common knowledge

> among palmists that a clubbed thumb gives a cruel

> mind. The ears, if the upper part of them is pointed

> and lower part not hanging and close to the jaw will

> make that person a murderer. If the ears are long and

> broad,hanging will make a man wise and a sage.Like

> this, every organ gives clues about the psychology and

> mentality of the native.

>

> However, to know the future events, it requires a deep

> knowledge of the samudrika sastra and a certain

> advancement in yogic sadhana.Combining these two

> tools, we can know the future events(or past

> events)even without the aid of birth charts.

>

> 2. The second area is mantra sadhana. Without even

> knowing about samudrika sastra, one can know the

> future event through mantra sadhana. Now again in

> this, there are ksudra mantras like

> karna-pisaachini,vata-yakshina,vatuka-bhairava and a

> host of minor mantras and maha mantras like Gayatri,

> or the dasa maha vidyas etc.

>

> The ksudra mantras are easily gained siddhi in say 40

> days or so, but one has to continue giving

> bali(sacrifice,not necessarily animal)daily to that

> devata. Then it tells in the ear,many startling things

> like name of the questioner,his date of birth,day of

> birth,details of his family etc. But the future

> predictions fail miserably, since the vision of the

> devata is very limited. It cannot see the

> future.Usually the end of these mantra-practitioners

> is miserable.

>

> However, it is different with maha mantras.One knows

> the future events "in a flash". But siddhi is not

> easy. it may take years of hard tapasya.Intuition is a

> by product, the real siddhi being good qualities,

> lessening of desires,truthfulness,happiness without

> any cause,and vision of the maha devata.A mere wish of

> such a man can change the karma of some afflicted

> soul, depending upon the acquired tapas-sakti.

>

> so there are any number of methods to know the future,

> some unwanted and some grand.To quote an example, we

> have some Mooka-jyosishkas(dumb-astrologers) from

> Tamil nadu. One such man came to my house and without

> even looking at my wife, said "your wife was born on

> Monday". It was damn correct!!.Later he divulged his

> secret that he practises karna pisachi mantra.

>

> There are many such things in this world.

> regards

> satya.

>

> ________

> India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to

http://.shaadi.com

>

October 8, 2005

Dear friends.

Astrology with so much of acclaim and ardent followere is till considered to be

superstitious by many aetheists.Valid theory of Astrology when scrupulosly

applied to human affairs sometimes go haywire.So minute links are difficult some

times to be identified and taken care for correctness of predictions.It is

almost essential for Astrologers to rely on mantra sakti based on vedic cultures

and keep away kshudra devatas and their tantric potentialities.we need to think

of resorting in dire necessity.Any case they(forces) do not long last and will

evaporate like camphor.The reasons for such we mayhave to know from other allied

sciences as per ou interest and likings.may be it all depends on how do we

really sustain with the power forecast.we need to apply some discipline and some

methods to have that ability to speak and visualise something of planets.Some

very wise foretellers have already switched over from individual predictions to

global matters(mundane) and some to philosophy and

others to community.

Even my own Gurus tell me often it is really difficult to retaing power of

forecast and be able to be correct and accurate always

krishnan

"Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb wrote:

Sure --- prediction can be made using many different ways, including

tea leaves (I am serious and not being sarcastic or trying to put tea

leaves down), yarrow sticks, nimittas, and many other symbols. I once

had a friend who used to be very good at reading omens and symbols

and made significant sums of money in his younger days through

finding the numbers for the local lottery/satta. Psychics can often

give very uncanny information.

But the point is we should not loosely label these as ASTROLOGY even

when otherwise reputed and capable astrologers/jyotishis use these in

their routine practice. If we keep calling all these astrology, it

muddies the picture and reduces clarity.

RR

, "r.sathyanarayana sharma"

<rssharmabza> wrote:

>

> dear members,

>

> with due regards, i would like to share a few things

> on the current topic of how predictions can be made

> without the aid of charts.

>

> There are two areas to consider,

> 1. Samudrika sastra or physiognomy:

> Mind is the subtle body and body is gross mind. As are

> the thoughts, so is the body. Yogis know this subtle

> connection. So a continuous pattern of thinking will

> bring changes in body accordingly. The first results

> are seen in the eyes.The eyes of pious ones are

> cool,restful,steady and without any color of passion.

> The shape, length,texture,etc of all the limbs speak

> volumes of the individual,if only we know how to read

> that language. For example, it is common knowledge

> among palmists that a clubbed thumb gives a cruel

> mind. The ears, if the upper part of them is pointed

> and lower part not hanging and close to the jaw will

> make that person a murderer. If the ears are long and

> broad,hanging will make a man wise and a sage.Like

> this, every organ gives clues about the psychology and

> mentality of the native.

>

> However, to know the future events, it requires a deep

> knowledge of the samudrika sastra and a certain

> advancement in yogic sadhana.Combining these two

> tools, we can know the future events(or past

> events)even without the aid of birth charts.

>

> 2. The second area is mantra sadhana. Without even

> knowing about samudrika sastra, one can know the

> future event through mantra sadhana. Now again in

> this, there are ksudra mantras like

> karna-pisaachini,vata-yakshina,vatuka-bhairava and a

> host of minor mantras and maha mantras like Gayatri,

> or the dasa maha vidyas etc.

>

> The ksudra mantras are easily gained siddhi in say 40

> days or so, but one has to continue giving

> bali(sacrifice,not necessarily animal)daily to that

> devata. Then it tells in the ear,many startling things

> like name of the questioner,his date of birth,day of

> birth,details of his family etc. But the future

> predictions fail miserably, since the vision of the

> devata is very limited. It cannot see the

> future.Usually the end of these mantra-practitioners

> is miserable.

>

> However, it is different with maha mantras.One knows

> the future events "in a flash". But siddhi is not

> easy. it may take years of hard tapasya.Intuition is a

> by product, the real siddhi being good qualities,

> lessening of desires,truthfulness,happiness without

> any cause,and vision of the maha devata.A mere wish of

> such a man can change the karma of some afflicted

> soul, depending upon the acquired tapas-sakti.

>

> so there are any number of methods to know the future,

> some unwanted and some grand.To quote an example, we

> have some Mooka-jyosishkas(dumb-astrologers) from

> Tamil nadu. One such man came to my house and without

> even looking at my wife, said "your wife was born on

> Monday". It was damn correct!!.Later he divulged his

> secret that he practises karna pisachi mantra.

>

> There are many such things in this world.

> regards

> satya.

>

> ________

> India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to

http://.shaadi.com

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF

ABSOLUTE BLISS.

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October 8, 2005

Like I said to another poster just now, I have no problem if anyone

wants to talk or use these techniques or chicken feet or rhinnoceres

hair or whatever else tickles their fancy, but please don't call

those astrology. That's all :-)

I don't think astrology is superstition and those who seek my help

don't either. Do I really care what remaining others think ;-)

RR

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

>

> Dear friends.

> Astrology with so much of acclaim and ardent followere is till

considered to be superstitious by many aetheists.Valid theory of

Astrology when scrupulosly applied to human affairs sometimes go

haywire.So minute links are difficult some times to be identified and

taken care for correctness of predictions.It is almost essential for

Astrologers to rely on mantra sakti based on vedic cultures and keep

away kshudra devatas and their tantric potentialities.we need to

think of resorting in dire necessity.Any case they(forces) do not

long last and will evaporate like camphor.The reasons for such we

mayhave to know from other allied sciences as per ou interest and

likings.may be it all depends on how do we really sustain with the

power forecast.we need to apply some discipline and some methods to

have that ability to speak and visualise something of planets.Some

very wise foretellers have already switched over from individual

predictions to global matters(mundane) and some to philosophy and

> others to community.

> Even my own Gurus tell me often it is really difficult to retaing

power of forecast and be able to be correct and accurate always

> krishnan

>

> "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> Sure --- prediction can be made using many different ways,

including

> tea leaves (I am serious and not being sarcastic or trying to put

tea

> leaves down), yarrow sticks, nimittas, and many other symbols. I

once

> had a friend who used to be very good at reading omens and symbols

> and made significant sums of money in his younger days through

> finding the numbers for the local lottery/satta. Psychics can often

> give very uncanny information.

>

> But the point is we should not loosely label these as ASTROLOGY

even

> when otherwise reputed and capable astrologers/jyotishis use these

in

> their routine practice. If we keep calling all these astrology, it

> muddies the picture and reduces clarity.

>

> RR

>

> , "r.sathyanarayana sharma"

> <rssharmabza> wrote:

> >

> > dear members,

> >

> > with due regards, i would like to share a few things

> > on the current topic of how predictions can be made

> > without the aid of charts.

> >

> > There are two areas to consider,

> > 1. Samudrika sastra or physiognomy:

> > Mind is the subtle body and body is gross mind. As are

> > the thoughts, so is the body. Yogis know this subtle

> > connection. So a continuous pattern of thinking will

> > bring changes in body accordingly. The first results

> > are seen in the eyes.The eyes of pious ones are

> > cool,restful,steady and without any color of passion.

> > The shape, length,texture,etc of all the limbs speak

> > volumes of the individual,if only we know how to read

> > that language. For example, it is common knowledge

> > among palmists that a clubbed thumb gives a cruel

> > mind. The ears, if the upper part of them is pointed

> > and lower part not hanging and close to the jaw will

> > make that person a murderer. If the ears are long and

> > broad,hanging will make a man wise and a sage.Like

> > this, every organ gives clues about the psychology and

> > mentality of the native.

> >

> > However, to know the future events, it requires a deep

> > knowledge of the samudrika sastra and a certain

> > advancement in yogic sadhana.Combining these two

> > tools, we can know the future events(or past

> > events)even without the aid of birth charts.

> >

> > 2. The second area is mantra sadhana. Without even

> > knowing about samudrika sastra, one can know the

> > future event through mantra sadhana. Now again in

> > this, there are ksudra mantras like

> > karna-pisaachini,vata-yakshina,vatuka-bhairava and a

> > host of minor mantras and maha mantras like Gayatri,

> > or the dasa maha vidyas etc.

> >

> > The ksudra mantras are easily gained siddhi in say 40

> > days or so, but one has to continue giving

> > bali(sacrifice,not necessarily animal)daily to that

> > devata. Then it tells in the ear,many startling things

> > like name of the questioner,his date of birth,day of

> > birth,details of his family etc. But the future

> > predictions fail miserably, since the vision of the

> > devata is very limited. It cannot see the

> > future.Usually the end of these mantra-practitioners

> > is miserable.

> >

> > However, it is different with maha mantras.One knows

> > the future events "in a flash". But siddhi is not

> > easy. it may take years of hard tapasya.Intuition is a

> > by product, the real siddhi being good qualities,

> > lessening of desires,truthfulness,happiness without

> > any cause,and vision of the maha devata.A mere wish of

> > such a man can change the karma of some afflicted

> > soul, depending upon the acquired tapas-sakti.

> >

> > so there are any number of methods to know the future,

> > some unwanted and some grand.To quote an example, we

> > have some Mooka-jyosishkas(dumb-astrologers) from

> > Tamil nadu. One such man came to my house and without

> > even looking at my wife, said "your wife was born on

> > Monday". It was damn correct!!.Later he divulged his

> > secret that he practises karna pisachi mantra.

> >

> > There are many such things in this world.

> > regards

> > satya.

> >

> > ________

> > India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to

> http://.shaadi.com

> >

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH

THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

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>

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October 8, 2005

Yeah Rohini ji,

Tea leaves astrology is refreshing /tickles for the day