Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 Dear G singh, The only person who attacked you personally , or rather exposed you decisively, was Pramod who pasted his conversation with you { ref message # 20499 } on the board. Did you call him a 'sadak chhap' astrologer ? But he is not an astrologer. Varun Trivedi , "hbk1hbk_2100" <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > To All, > > I called SADAK CHHAP astrologers to only those people who were > attacking me personally. I did not take anyone's name. > > Regards > > G. Singh > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > Dear Maniv, > > > > Thanks for your comments. I have been overwhelmed by reading > > requests and support from members of this group after I have been > > attacked personally by some SADAK CHHAP astrologers on this group > who > > are just jealous and crying since the day one. > > > > I will continue to share my knowledge with all of you as long as > the > > owner of this group will allow me to do so. > > > > You can study my chart for last two days as you already know my > birth > > data. I am in JUP/JUP/MERCURY dasha right now. Jupiter has just > > entered 11th house from natal moon in libra and became favorable. > > Mercury the partantar dasha lord was with ketu yesterday, > unfavorable > > position, when these people attacked me. Also moon by transit was > in > > cancer in my 8th house from natal moon again in unfavorable > position. > > > > Next week when Jupiter and Mercury will be together in libra > these > > people will realize that they were wrong, and my apologize to me > for > > their rude behavior. > > > > My best wishes are with all of you. > > > > Regards > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > , "maniv1321" > <maniv1321> > > wrote: > > > Dear Ashutoh > > > > > > You mention that: > > > > > > "For effective predictions, a proper study of only five aspects > of > > > Jyotish are enough in most cases. They are: Natal chart, degrees > of > > > planets, Navamsa, vimshottari dashas and transits." > > > > > > The five techniques that you have listed, are they manipulated in > > > that particular order of importance? Also, you have emphasised > the > > > Navamsa, which is undoubtedly an important chart, but what about > > the > > > other divisional such as Dasamsa, Saptamsa etc? Is not > > understanding > > > how to interpret such D charts correctly an even more > > > substantial "short cut " to making specific interpretations? > > > > > > I have not seen anyone mention the use of degree/nakshtra > placement > > > in the divisional charts. Has anyone attempted an analyses taking > > > this into account, and if so what has been the effect? > > > > > > G. Singh : thank you for livening up this list with some healthy > > > debate on astrological principles - it is a shame that certain > > > individuals have taken criticism of their limitations personally, > > > rather than defending them an intellectual and practical manner. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Maniv > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > Dear Tanvir, > > > > > > > > We take the time of birth to determine the > > exact > > > degree of lagna by which other sub-dividional charts are > prepared. > > > If we give emphasis to nakshatras only, then there is no need for > > > other divisional charts. > > > > > > > > I am not new to jyotish. It is my passion and I have > made > > > it my full time occupation to do justice to this science. I have > > > thousands of horoscopes in my database. On regular basis, > whenever > > > any new theory comes up in jyotish, I check the practicality of > > such > > > theories by applying them on the charts in my database. Unless > and > > > untill I have applied them on at least five hundred charts, I do > > not > > > believe in such theories. > > > > > > > > We astrologers tend to study our own horoscopes first > to > > > test any new theory. If it is applicable to us, unconsciously the > > > support develops. But, if the majority of horoscopes tested do > not > > > support the theory, it should be kept in backgroud, not discarded > > > totally, and main emphasis should be given to the tried and > tested > > > ones. > > > > > > > > I keep nakshatras and astakvargas in the background. I > > > like to go the hard way of studying all divisional charts than to > > > choose the short-cut. > > > > > > > > Many astrologers have emphasised on nakshatras and > > > astakvarga points and due to the time saving nature of these > > > studies, other aspects of the chart like the planetary strengths, > > > combustions, the planets' placements and yogas in other > divisional > > > charts, are ignored. Most astrologers even do not know the use of > > > navamsa and dwadashamsa. > > > > > > > > I myself have studied astakvargas and nakshatras very > > > deeply. I do not advocate over-dependence on them because very > > often > > > the conclusions from their studies are faulty and contradictory > to > > > natal chart inferences. Whereas, if one has judged the strength > of > > > planets individually and in combinations with other planets, the > > > accuracy of predictions is increased. > > > > > > > > I have received some deep shocks in my astrological > > > studied and career, when my predictions went wrong, especially in > > > cases of death and disease, because I was using nakshatras and > > > astakvargas and ignored the weakness of planets in natal and > > > divisional charts. I have learnt the bitter lessons of astrology > in > > > a very harsh way. I have never written any verbose books or texts. > > > > > > > > The essence of jyotish is lost as we try to make it > more > > > complex and try to impress the common man with rhetorics. For > > > effective predictions, a proper study of only five aspects of > > > jyotish are enough in most cases. They are: Natal chart, degrees > of > > > planets, navamsa, vimshottari dashas and transits. > > > > > > > > If only the above five are studied deeply, the > > predictions > > > can be made very correctly. In only a few cases, deeper studies, > > > like nakshatras and astakvargas, are required. But, if these do > not > > > support or clarify the natal chart conclusions, then they should > > not > > > be depended on. > > > > > > > > One very wise astrologer had advised me never to study > my > > > own chart. I have seen many astrologers trying to deny the > > > weaknesses in their charts and to interpret even their most > > > debiliated planets as very strong ones. After all, astrologers > are > > > also humans. They are also governed by their own horoscopes. The > > > debiliated planets themselves were governing their mindsets. So, > > the > > > outcome is bound to be faulty. > > > > > > > > To conclude, I would say that every astrologer has his > > own > > > way of studying horoscopes. Only the outcome and correct > > predictions > > > matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 27 September, 2005 22:51 > > > > Re: Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > > > Rohini and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurumeet Ji - > > > > > > > > Stars are very important in astrology. I personally use them > a > > > lot and do not see the chart without judging them. Most of my > > > quizzes (real life puzzles) I offered here and in other lists had > > > their right answers based on the stars and 60-70% of many chart- > > > events cannot ever be explained or related to astrology without > > > taking stars into account. Many of my life's important events > > cannot > > > be exaplined without stars as well. I here agree with you > > completely. > > > > > > > > I realized about stars from my own studies of real charts and > > > thought I "discovered" something but later I saw that they > already > > > exist in astrology but very little practiced by people. > > > > > > > > But after that I realized that there are still a lot of works > > to > > > be done on the topic to refine it. Not all the times a planet in > a > > > 6th lord's star will activate the 6th lord. You will find both > the > > > examples. There is this WHY. Also, there are some additional > > > concepts I have came up with based on these star concepts. I > shared > > > them in some of my earlier write ups, I do not do anymore now. > This > > > needs a lot of further works. > > > > > > > > Even KP is not totally correct in the way it uses stars. It > > > needs refinement also. I say this most humbly but I am strict in > my > > > position. > > > > > > > > What I like in you that you explore things by yourself and > know > > > what works and what does not. You also speak out what you think > to > > > be the truth. However, as you already know by yourself, there is > a > > > bold tone in your mails and conversations that quickly switches > the > > > focus from Jyotish to a bit of personal stuff, and many members > > > would not like this at all, which is very natural. There is no > all- > > > recognized rule, or principle or concept in Jyotish and no > specific > > > syllabus either. So no one should, or rightfully can, claim what > is > > > to be practiced or what concept must be applied. If he does, it > is > > > only his personal judegement and cannot be imposed on anyone. > > > > > > > > In this forum we are here to exchange views of astrology. We > > can > > > learn from each other and that is a delibarate process. We > cannot, > > > or should not impose any concept on anyone. That is possible if > one > > > requests for personal guidance, takes a course or something. But > > > here we are to exchange views. None of us have admitted to follow > > > anyone's advices or have taken anyone's discipleship to follow > his > > > or her teachings. We all are entitled to choose what we like. > > > > > > > > That is why you cannot accuse a person for his practicing > > > approach. While the techniques you use are good, your very > straight > > > forward and teaching-like manner may be discourage others to > > > interact with you. Apart from this, whatever teachniques and > > > concepts you want to use are just fine. So I would really expect > > you > > > to fashion your posts in a more respectful way and discussions in > a > > > friendly manner. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > > > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > > > > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > > > > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving > > > remedies > > > > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > > > > > - > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 27, 2005 2:32 PM > > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > > Rohini > > > and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > You completely ignore nakshatras at all. Ketu is in good > > > nakshatra > > > > the ruler of 2nd and 9th lord mars exalted in 9th house. > Also > > > Ketu is > > > > surrounded by three benefics. Ketu matures at the age of > 47. > > > This is > > > > the opinion of many astrologers. You can read BV Raman's > book > > > How to > > > > Judge a Horoscope Volume two, page number 368. He mentioned > > > clearly > > > > that ketu in 11th will give sudden wealth could be through > > > lottery. > > > > Chakrapani Ullal who has 45 years experience in astrology > > also > > > > mentioned same thing. > > > > > > > > When I study natal chart I consider lagna. When I want to > > time > > > events > > > > and see transits I consider moon sign. > > > > > > > > I have studied charts of the murderers also. I found in > their > > > case > > > > most of the time rahu and ketu are in 6th house or 12 > house. > > > Then > > > > they will have other planets in rahu and ketu's nakshatras. > > > That > > > > makes them killer and criminal. > > > > > > > > You should learn nakshatras and apply them to make > > > predictions. You > > > > do not consider nakshatras at all. You try to scare people > > and > > > then > > > > start talking about remedies. Remedies can not take one > from - > > > 100 to > > > > +100. They do have some good effect but may be 10%. > > > > > > > > I improved my astrology skills a lot after I started using > > > > nakshatras. Without nakshatras you are just shooting in the > > > dark. > > > > Sometimes you are on target many times you don't. If you > are > > > not and > > > > your prediction went wrong then you can immediately change > it > > > to > > > > vipreet raj yoga to protect your reputation as an > astrologer. > > > This is > > > > what most astrologers do and make fool of ordinary people. > > > Finally I > > > > decided to master this science myself and became astrologer. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------- --- > -- > > - > > > ----------- > > > > > > > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > b.. > > > > > > > > > > > > c.. > Terms > > > of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------- --- > -- > > - > > > ----------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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